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Zack Morris, Religion, and Me

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Have you seen Truth Be Told? It’s the new Zack Morris sitcom on NBC in the doomed Friday night slot when all of the people that might watch this show are out doing way cooler shit. It’s not the best show, but it’s also not the worst show, either, but I like Mark-Paul Gosselaar (Zack Morris) and Tone Bell (a sitcom regular black guy with a beard). I’m 100% sure the show will be canceled shortly and 2000% sure it will never see a second season. Anyway, one particular episode touched on religion and specifically Zack Morris’ character’s preference to not raise his daughter with religion. Shocking isn’t it? TV taboo even.

Interestingly enough, that’s my exact take on parenting and religion reserved exclusively for children who used to live in my balls. I am not the “push my ideology on everybody else” type of guy. And, no, I’m not an atheist or agnostic (there is a difference); I’m Catholic. All the same, there is no Santa or Jesus in the DeGrate household – with the exception of my Jesus pieces, rosary beads, and crosses. Until last week, I thought the tooth fairy was still holding it down for me, but my daughter, Madi, told me randomly, “I know you’re the tooth fairy. I know you’re giving me money. I’ve always known.”

Before you question me on letting the tooth fairy have her shine but not Jesus or Santa, the tooth fairy actually serves a purpose. Those other guys? Not so much. How else am I going to get a 5-year-old to allow me to snatch a tooth out of her head without the false belief that some mythical Tinkerbelle-like creature is going to give her money? Ok, then.

See, the thing is this I’m not 100% sure – fuck it I’m not even 35% sure – I’d be religious if I wasn’t raised Catholic. As a child when I was too young to know any better they spoon-fed me Jesus, the boogie man, Santa, and the tooth fairy. As I got older, they pulled the rug on all the other shit, but allowed Jesus to cook; I guess because he died for my sins and all. So here I am damn near 36-years-old praying to a guy (or guys and a spirit) that I’m not sure I’d have stock in if I would have discovered the faith today.

Imagine having no concept of religion and stumbling across a bible at your local Flea Market (because you hipsters love flea markets). You pick it up and pay 99 cents because it’s leather bound and the pages are gold leafed and if nothing else it will look cool sitting on your coffee table next to that piece of driftwood you picked up at Rehoboth beach last summer. Two days later your WiFi is down, there isn’t shit on TV, and your cell service sucks in your apartment so you can’t even get on Twitter and there is the bible staring you in the face. (This shit is about to get real blasphemous so all my die-hard bible fans and Jesus freaks it’s time to tune out.)

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” How Sway? And what the fuck does that even mean? Let’s say you skip all that and go to the dope stories like the Tower of Babel when the people were building a tower to heaven (which seems mighty improbable since outer space exists and air gets very thin at extreme heights) or Noah’s ark when they put two of each animal (predator and prey) on a boat and nobody ate anyone else for 40 days and 40 nights. Do you know how big a boat would have to be to fit two of each animal? Mad logistical flaws in these bible stories, B.

It could be the centuries separating the “word of God” and modern science, but as a grown-up it would be hard to swallow. Then we have all of the savage shit that we just politely skip over in the bible like all that God sanctioned rape, murder, and slavery. What type of God is pro-slavery and anti-shrimp? Shrimp is wonderful, and slavery has been time tested as a rather shitty practice. I mean some people are allergic to shellfish, but everybody is allergic to being whipped into submission as a slave. As an adult I have a difficult time sorting through what should be applied to life and what shouldn’t be. Are women second-class citizens or nah? In my times of need, I just ask for guidance over turning to the good book.

So how do I deliver this convoluted labyrinth of “religion” to my child? Instead I just instill sound morals in my child and leave Jesus out of it. I leave it up to her in adulthood whether she wants to choose the path that was forced upon me.

Maybe this isn’t so much about “Me, Religion, and Zack Morris, but more “Me, Religion, and Madi”.

Let us pray.

Jean DeGrate

Jean DeGrate is an Uptown DC native. Like most great thinkers of our time, he got his start writing on MySpace enlightening strippers and ratchets before they were a "thing". You can find him on the streets of DC looking fresh as hell in the case the feds are watching and clowning folks who think that means being Gucci down to the socks. And if you're looking for him on social media, the name's always the same - @JeanDeGrate.

  • I don’t know if you understand how The Tooth Fairy works…but ok lol…I respect your position, and I don’t plan to present any religion to my potential babies either.

  • LadyIbaka

    As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.

  • Brandon Allen

    Yo Jean, Ive been actually thinking a lot about this lately and I come to the realization that teaching
    kids about religion doesn’t have to involve dogmatically beating verses into them.

    I know people are smart nowadays, but, people have been thinking about why wer’e here forever and its oddly smug of us modern people to just throw all of it to the wayside.

    Pick and choose relevant stuff to tell her and bring up faith when she’s old enough to understand because that’s ultimately her choice. But give her a mind to ponder what’s bigger than the immediate in the world, because a lack of curiosity about the “why” of the world can create a self centered adult.

  • BeautifullyHuman

    I actually feel similar about not introducing my children to religion. I really want them to form their own opinion about God (if they choose to believe), and establish their own personal relationship without sermons, books, and church inculcating their beliefs.

    My only potential problem is my spouse and if they’re actually religious. I’m sure this will be our point of contention — if he wants to raise our kids in a particular religion while I want them to freely search for a religion or connect spiritually to what eases their soul.

    • I always wondered about this aspect of two religionally (yes i made up a word lol) different people getting together.

      • BeautifullyHuman

        Honestly, I think it can work (many people of different religions are married, or married to someone who doesn’t believe.) I think the main thing is dating or marrying someone who isn’t extremely dogmatic and overzealous about their beliefs. Thus far, when I share with men that I’m not religious, but more spiritually attuned, I don’t get any push back. Since I can actually articulate to people the reasons why I am not religious, most people genuinely respect my POV and it’s never an issue.

        • My wife knows I’m a heathen. I’m picking video games over Jesus on Easter. I spread love and love me some her so it is what it is.

          • BeautifullyHuman

            I love it! As long as she’s knows what’s up, there should be no hurt feelings or surprises. Lol

          • DebKII

            Thats how I was raised. My mom dragged us to church religiously. Dad said he had a “spiritual relationship”…from his couch watching the game. Oh and to send up some prayers for him.

            Theyve been married 30 years. It works.

            • I’ve often wondered if that ever works out in reverse: mom in spiritual and dad is in church 3 times a week. I’ve never seen it before and until a split second ago the thought that such would ever be the case had never even crossed my mind lol

              • tgtaggie

                I don’t think I ever seen it to be honest. In my experience, I seen really spiritual guys marry girls who were either on the same level with them spritually or just starting out, rediscovering or deepening their realationship w/God. Personally, I’m pretty spiritual and would prefer if my future wife is near the same level as me spiritually. But it wouldn’t bother me at all if she wasn’t as strong as me spiritually. It just that I rank spiritual compatibility more important than most ppl.

                Religious/churchy ppl always come across too hypocritical for me. Hence the reason why I only go to church 1-2 times a month. I rather catch a sermon on demand on Sunday morning and play 9 holes of golf afterwards lol.

              • L8Comer

                My parents are the reverse. My mom is more spiritual or agnostic. My dad is firmly Baptist. So we always went to Baptist churches. It was something my Dad wanted for us, and I think my mom thought it couldn’t hurt.

                But because my mom got tired of getting us all ready (4 girls w/ really thick hair and an aversion to ironing our own clothes) and the Sunday morning battles to get out the house on time, we stopped going when I was about 12 or 13. The hassle wasn’t worth it to her and my dad wasn’t taking on the task of doing hair and monitoring our dress. Plus, none of us kids really wanted to go.

                Now my dad just listens Church on the radio, and they are happy.

            • Cleojonz

              Have you ever noticed there are so many more women, in particular older women involved in church than men? I had choir members who’s husbands I had never met lol. I think this is a pretty common arrangement.

              • fxd8424

                Some older women are heathens when young, and run up in the church in middle age, trying to get saved before their end comes. I see this a lot. Men say, game knows game. I hear this a lot.

          • Animate

            That March/April window usually sucks for new releases though lol

            • They’re new to me. To the Gamestop!!!!

        • marwilli

          I find most religious people don’t take their religion all that seriously until confronted by someone who is clearly not religious (which is understandable).

          • essem SEE

            Word had no idea my wife was catholic until i told her i am borderline atheist

          • I lowkey often think to myself that the average Harry Potter fan knows more about the innerworkings of the Harry Potter world than the average Christian knows about the Bible.

            • Victoria Watlington

              Or the average “professing” Christian.

            • Mary

              Sadly, you’re right.

          • L8Comer

            Or when they start thinking about marrying a person who is not their religion or religious at all.

          • fxd8424

            I wish I understood it. Why is so important for me to believe what someone else believes. One of my neighbors chased me down, telling me to stay encouraged, God is real, blah, blah, blah. She wasn’t trying to entertain I have a different point of view. She actually went home and xeroxed some scriptures to a piece of paper, with her cell, house and e-mail address and put them in my mailbox. LOL. Told me if I wanted to talk, she was available. There is nothing that I need to talk about.

        • L8Comer

          I agree that as long as neither person is super dogmatic, interfaith marriages can and often do work, especially since most religions share common beliefs and values.

          But as a Buddhist, I do get a fair amount of push back from men of different faiths, even from the men who didn’t initially seem orthodox or anywhere close to it. A lot of guys in my experience dig it, are curious about it, will date, but not marry. But still, there are a good amount of spiritual black men out here (haven’t met too many Buddhists). I’ve just found I have to be really upfront about my faith… like if marriage is off the table because I’m not Christian I need to know within first few dates.

      • curlsbythe#

        I tell the guy from day one, I don’t believe in a deity and I’m not raising my kids to believe in a deity and I don’t want to be with a guy who can’t accept this. No matter how religious the guy is he didn’t care bc…..p e n i $.

      • Cleojonz

        I would say it is something you have to hash out before you get to the point of having children. It’s a serious discussion to be had. I was a full participant with my church up until we had kids. He wasn’t going to come to church but had no problem or negative response to me still being involved. It was never an issue until we had kids. He has since relaxed his stance on that and the girls have been to both church and synagogue, he is still a lapsed Jew though.

    • dmcmillian72

      Thank you for this word: inculcating. You gave me my first “learned something new today” for today. :-) I shall figure out a way to use this word regularly! Lol!

      • BeautifullyHuman

        LOL…you’re more than welcome. :)

  • My wife is super religious so I let her take care of all things religious. I’ve often envisioned being “left behind” but a woman raptures without you, she never loved you, b. We married and Jesus still getting between us. We are going to have words in the afterlife.

    • Siante

      So I’m just asking out of curiosity because I’ve dated a majority of men who have a different faith from myself & it’s always been…….interesting lol. How do you find a middle ground? Do you just avoid discussing faith?

      • I’m not smart enough to avoid such rich conversation. We are both varying degrees of Christian so I guess that’s good enough for her. Plus, we don’t judge whose closer to Jesus, we just try to live up to what we believe.

      • BeautifullyHuman

        For me, my middle ground is genuine respect. I respect others’ opinions and their belief systems, even if different from mine. If two people can be respectful of each other’s beliefs without saying one is right over the other or dismiss the other’s beliefs altogether, I think they can find a middle ground without having to avoid religious discussions.

        Basically, it all boils down to being tolerant of religious/spiritual differences.

        • Siante

          I Really like this-

      • L8Comer

        I’m in a similar situation as you. My experiences have also been “interesting”, not sure if they are interesting in the same way as yours.

        I think like what BeautifullyHuman said, middle ground can be found most often with people who are not very dogmatic. But even those men, in my experience, may take a different, more hard lined approach when the topic of marriage or children comes up.
        I think it’s hard to avoid talking about when you start meeting each other’s family, attending holiday gatherings, and thinking about how to raise your kids… Eh, idk outside of my own faith my approach is to take a close look at the agnostic / spiritual men that will be accepting of my faith.

        • Siante

          “Eh, idk outside of my own faith my approach is to take a close look at the agnostic / spiritual men that will be accepting of my faith.”

          I think that’s a wise approach

  • Oluseyi

    I’m just going to leave this alone today…

    • YeaSoh


    • Epsilonicus

      I figured this would be right up your alley.

      • Oluseyi

        I just went through it in a comment thread on the Drake/Jesus comparo. Unless someone specifically asks me a question, I’m just going to leave it be.

        • YeaSoh

          Went through it? Oh so you’re worn out? I-ight… but more people are here to read your perspective… myself included, plus no rest for the weary… consider yourself asked specifically :-). What are you thoughts on religion and raring your children in a belief of God?

          • Oluseyi

            Dammit. I shouldn’t have left that door open.

            I have a Parent-Teacher meeting in 20 minutes. I’ll respond when I get back.

          • Oluseyi

            I am an atheist. I was raised in church, by two of the most sincere, righteous Christians I have ever met, against whom I hold no grudge. But the church is bigger than just momma and dad, and by the time I turned 20 I felt that, as an institution, it had served me very poorly and done some psychological damage that would take years to (mostly?) reverse.

            I do not resent religion, or militantly oppose the notion of God; I simply lack faith, or any convincing proof to make me certain of the existence of any deities. When asked how I think the universe came to be, I point out that fear of the unknown is insufficient motivation. I embrace wonder, and turn to the rigor of science to help test, classify, reject and—critically—replace what we have come to know so far. Science doesn’t have the answers, it’s just a bookkeeping system for the partial results we’ve obtained so far.

            I am a parent of a four-year old. My child’s mother is a Christian, but I regard her faith as nominal and superficial. My decision to abandon faith was brought on by the severity of the tension between what I understood scripture to require of me, and what I knew my nature wanted, and I was unwilling to deny it. When I see others profess Christianity, yet in their behavior I see no grappling with the same—a permissiveness and general approach to life that reduces faith to totems, praying over food, pleading “the blood of Jesus” over inanimate objects (a blood the Bible says was “shed for the remission of sin“), and counting on God to prosper them with wealth and blessings—I don’t exactly judge them, but I don’t take them seriously. Call it my own peculiar battle scar.

            She wants to take him to church. I have no problem with that. For as much as the church scarred me, I learned a tremendous amount of value because of the pervasiveness of Christianity-based reasoning. My goal is to provide a counterbalance for my son as he grows, providing context and alternate interpretations that free him from the guilt- and shame-based conditioning that characterizes so much evangelical instruction. And church music is pretty lit.

            Ultimately, I want him to make an informed, conscious, independent decision about what he will believe, one neither coerced by explicit pressure from us as parents nor by carefully restricting what information and truth we expose him to.

            One final thing: my parents obviously want me to embrace their faith, but I give them tremendous credit for their ability to accept the choice that I have made, and to mostly respect its bounds, especially mom. Their primary action is to pray for me, which I appreciate. I hope I’m as gracious and supportive when my own child makes his decision.

            • L8Comer

              It’s certainly not always the case, but I do wish some religions weren’t taught through fear, shame, and guilt- especially to children. I think religion has a lot to offer. Having a deep, profound, spiritual awareness and relationship with God – however you define that – can be really fulfilling. But that can’t be taught through force, or fear, or manipulation. It’s just not a good strategy and it’s very short sighted b/c as people mature into adults they aren’t as easily controlled by fear (hopefully).

              I was once a Christian, but only bc I didn’t want to go to h e l l lol. I even tried to convert my best friend when we were 7 (she was hindu) again, because I didn’t want her to go to h e l l lol. She wasn’t having it though. She still loves me anyway.

              I was once an atheist too. Idk how the universe was created, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that in every corner of the world, for thousands of years, people have believed in God and created religions around this belief that closely mirror each other. It would seem odd to me that they all came to the fundamental conclusions if there wasn’t something to it.

              Hypocritical Christians or those whose behavior doesn’t align with their beliefs don’t bother me at all lol. First, I have no idea what they struggle with in their private moments behind closed doors and what their relationship with God looks like. Second, it’s none of my business. There’s always a gap between what people are and what they are trying to be. I think it’s bizarre when people get ruffled by misbehaving /hypocritical Christians. All people do bad things on occasion. Some of them happen to be Christians, some fall into another faith, and some have no faith at all. Maybe it’s bc some of them love to point of the speck in your eye while denying the tree stump in theirs. I’m always suspicious of people who are too judgmental, righteous, and preachy cuz I just knowwww they have mad skeletons in their closet lol. Cuz who are you hoping hears you with all that? Is it me or is it you? So then, I try to have compassion for them and back away. Luckily no one in my family is too strident in their beliefs.

              Anyway, this was an interesting read. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

            • BeautifullyHuman

              “Ultimately, I want him to make an informed, conscious, independent decision about what he will believe, one neither coerced by explicit pressure from us as parents nor by carefully restricting what information and truth we expose him to.”

              This really resonated with me. This is how I feel with regard to my make believe children. Lol. If one chooses to believe in God, I think it’s an extremely important relationship that should be cultivated on its own through curiosity, exploration, and connection.

              Anyway, just wanted to say that you are extremely eloquent. I read your comments often (I lurk and periodically comment but I have been a member of this site at least 5 years — probably longer) and I always think you comments are well-written and well-reasoned.

              • Oluseyi

                Thank you! I really appreciate your taking the time to say that. Too often we emphasize the contentious; it’s nice to celebrate one another from time to time. ?

            • YeaSoh

              Soooo yeah… I’m super late to the conversation after dragging you into it (clearly against your will) but I’m so glad you obliged. I, like others from what I’m reading, really look forward to your perspective and I’m always impressed by your willingness to share… thank you, ok. kiss kiss.

              I don’t really have anything to add here other than I just love the dialogue that happens in these spaces. I don’t have any children but I’d like to think that I’ll be supportive and encouraging in whatever they choose to believe. I want to be a good example of my beliefs but I don’t want to get in the way of their own journey. I’ll be honest. I’m sure I’ll be disappointed if they choose not to believe in anything. Mostly I think because I’m sure not believing in anything gets really lonely and I want my child(ren) to know they’re never alone… even if I can’t promise I’ll always be there physically I hope that they know that in being my child – a piece of me – I am everywhere they are. I’ve grown to see God the same way.

              I was introduced to the idea of God through Christianity. I do still consider myself a Christian just not in the traditional sense of the religion. I don’t believe or really follow the principles of Christianity (beyond love) but I do believe and follow the principles of my Spirit (kinda vague here but basically I believe people can identify truth when they hear it because that truth already exist within them. Principles like loving one another. I trust my Spirit regarding the principles I choose or choose not to follow). I believe in Spirituality. I believe in God. I believe we are all reflections of the Spirit of God and I believe that while different faiths and Science may have some of the answers I don’t believe any one faith or Science has all the answers and I think that was intended.

              • Oluseyi

                Soooo yeah… I’m super late to the conversation after dragging you into it (clearly against your will) but I’m so glad you obliged.

                Truthfully, it being you who asked played a part in my obliging :-)

                I’ll be honest. I’m sure I’ll be disappointed if they choose not to believe in anything. Mostly I think because I’m sure not believing in anything gets really lonely and I want my child(ren) to know they’re never alone… even if I can’t promise I’ll always be there physically I hope that they know that in being my child – a piece of me – I am everywhere they are. I’ve grown to see God the same way.

                I don’t feel alone, though. My father and mother live 5,283 miles away from me (and I’ve been blessed to see Momma three times, and Dad twice, in the past 12 months!), but I know that they are always with me, and I am always on their minds. Because they love me, and I love them. We carry those we love with us wherever we go, and there’s nothing spiritual or religious or metaphysical about that. It is concrete and real, an emotional reaction that suffuses our bodies and a series of memories and attitudes etched into the biology of our brains. Love is absolutely real.

                And, again, I’m a parent. I love my son with the fierceness of all the stars in the universe, and I can feel his love when I look at him, when I hold him, when he wakes up in the middle of the night at his mother’s house and forces her to FaceTime me because he’s calling for his daddy. When his little arms hold me tightly even though he’s fast asleep, or when he breaks into a smile and says, “I’m SO happy to see you, Daddy!” I can see his love. I can feel his love.

                Some people tell me they feel God the same way. I wish I did. If nothing else, it would make relating to a lot of my family much easier. But I can’t tell you I feel what I don’t. :-/

                And I don’t need God to love not only my flesh and blood, but my friends, and even my fellow human being. And it doesn’t need to be a cynical calculus of reciprocity, either, but a wisdom gained over time of the value in opening my heart to others. In many ways, religion provides a pathway to an inherent enlightenment, but I suspect that enlightenment is equally attainable without religion if I can continually set aside my prejudices and biases.

                Kiss kiss.

                • YeaSoh

                  :-) back at you…

                  In many ways, religion provides a pathway to an inherent enlightenment, but I suspect that enlightenment is equally attainable without religion if I can continually set aside my prejudices and biases. ( I haven’t learned to do the quotation thing on here but I envy those of you who do :-( lol)

                  I agree. Sadly, the one thing we’re told will connect us to God often is what ostensibly separates us.

                  • Oluseyi

                    ( I haven’t learned to do the quotation thing on here but I envy those of you who do :-( lol)

                    Use the HTML <blockquote></blockquote> tag pair.

                    How did I type it without it being parsed by Disqus? I used the &lt; less-than HTML entity. How did I type that? I used the &amp; ampersand entity. LOL. Turtles all the way down.

                    • YeaSoh

                      Turtles all the way down.

                      Say what now??? And, thank you! :-D

                    • Oluseyi

                      It’s an amusingly appropriate (because belief systems) yet semi-nonsensical statement referring to the belief that the earth is a flat plate balanced on the back of a turtle, itself standing on a larger turtle, as infinitum.

                      “What is the final turtle standing on?”
                      “It’s turtles all the way down.”


                    • YeaSoh

                      Aha cute… You like to amuse yourself don’t you? Lol smh

                    • Oluseyi

                      Sometimes :-P

                    • YeaSoh

                      I have to tell you something… I read your last entry on 8/10 and I think you should something for VSB.

                    • Oluseyi

                      Which entry was that? I tried to go back and look, but Disqus is kinda terrible about search and deliberately provides imprecise dates—”four months ago”—so I couldn’t be sure.

                      I’ve thought about it, but I have two hesitations. One, I’m rather a bit more formal than VSB posts seem to be, so I’m uncertain about fit. Two, I’ve kinda been about that no-last-name life online, even though it’s super easy to figure out if you’re curious. Within select communities I try not to advertise my connection to some of my family, who are comparatively popular/influential; I enjoy the continuing freedom of relative anonymity.

                      All that said… Enjoy! :-P

                    • YeaSoh

                      I knew you would say no… psssh. It’s the Fantastic Four entry defending why it makes perfect sense to have a black actor play one of the siblings

                    • Oluseyi

                      Ah. I elaborated on that on my site:

                      And, for the record, I’m not saying no; I’m just saying I have reservations, and explaining what they are.

                    • YeaSoh

                      Ok well I think there are ways around your reservations but also, I’m not trying to be all pushy about it…

                      Then again, I’m a pushy person so… You could always use a fake name. PJ does. And before Damon Young was pursuing a full-time career as a writer he was just Champ. You know that whole anonymity thing ain’t really an excuse.

                    • Oluseyi

                      Yeah, and I ain’t really scared, neither: my full name is in the footer of every page on my site. Like I said, it ain’t hard to find out.

                      I’ll think about it. I just don’t want to over-commit. I got mad projects already. Pushy.

                    • YeaSoh


                    • Guest

                      LOL! A soliloquy, perhaps? Untapped talent. A bit cheeky and almost believable. LOL!

                    • Oluseyi

                      Haha! I am a man of many mysteries, my dear… ;-)

                    • Guest

                      Blog monologues, perhaps?

                    • Guest

                      Nothing mysterious about faking a conversation. Arrogant but never mysterious.

                    • Oluseyi


                    • Oluseyi

                      I suppose the fascinating thing about you, if indeed all these comments by “Guest” represent the same individual, is your seemingly congenital need to put others down. Just when I was starting to like you, too.


        • Ger Wil

          And your view point was a needed addition both here and there. Im not gonna call it your “opinion” because you come bearing mad facts. Thanks for that.

          On a note about what you “just went through it in a comment thread on the Drake/Jesus comparo,” Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. I read almost every word of it and I just couldnt believe how you did not let any eThug emanate from your key strokes. kudos!

          • Oluseyi

            Well, there’s no thug in me—I eviscerated those notions long ago. I’m quite content to be the middle-class blerd with wit and savoir Faire to spare! Lol.

            Much appreciated.

          • YeaSoh

            He is quite the gentleman.

  • Me

    I’m Catholic and decided that if I do teach my future kids “religion”, it’ll 1) be based on philosophies instead of rules, 2) will be taught in parallel with multiple religious philosophies, 3) align with historical facts so that 4) my children can parse out the parts that were more likely added by men for selfish agrandizing/ego stroking versus parts that actually uplift the human spirit and will. No daughter of mine is going to spend life thinking she’s the #weakersex even though Eve was the one Satan approached first (head of household-type move) and Adam was the one following her example.

  • -h.h.h.-

    sounds dope!

    if i have kids, they’ll be raised in church.

    • tgtaggie

      +1. That’s how my mom raised my siblings and I. If we were going to be Christians have an actual personal realationship with God. But there are way too ppl who grew up in the church and still go to church but really are Christians in name only.

  • Gibbous

    My father’s family was Jewish and my mother’s Catholic. I currently don’t practice a faith, but am a spiritual (nature loving) person. I think the biggest hurdle is detaching religion from morality. You can be a good and decent person, love people and the planet and not be at all religious and that’s how I raised my niece.

    Others of my siblings practice varying kinds of faiths, but where we were raised, that is personal business and you don’t ask folks about it.

  • marwilli

    I’m an atheist, my wife is a liberal Protestant. It used to be a big point of contention when we started dating, but after going to a few services at a Unitarian Church we were both sufficiently happy with the experience. I don’t exactly object to raising christian children, but I’d prefer if it was more for the morals as opposed to the supernatural stuff.

    • “but I’d prefer if it was more for the morals as opposed to the supernatural stuff.” Couldn’t have said it any better.

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