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Problem: Light-Skinned Points.

Wait. I see some people wondering what I mean by light-skinned points. Let us define.

Light-skinned point(s). noun. 1) the additional attention that fairer skinned light skinned women receive over their darker-skinneded sisters whether or not their face actually warrants any attention at all. 2) the assumed increase in attractiveness laid before melanin deficient black women…whether or not their face actually warrants any attention at all.

I’ve always thought this was a funny phenomenon. I mean, even the most busted light women get a lot of attention. Whether you’re on the subway or just walking down the street, the light skinned women with a hairline that starts in Australia will get attention. Even George Benson asked for the light.

(Actually he asked for the night, but it rhymed with light. Run with it. Call me now!)

It has to be frustrating for attractive dark skinned women. And for the record, you are not attractive if the only person who has called you attractive is your mother and your reflection. You can put 9 dark-skinned fine women in a room with one light skinned Gremlin and I’d be willing to bet that most men would say that the light skinned woman was the most attractive woman in the room. And that is emblematic of the problem in the black community — we place lightskinned people on a pedestal. Well, mostly women since everybody knows that lightskinned men went out of style back in the early 90’s.

I suppose you could just make the connection that light skinned women are closer to white women, thus the black mans innate desire for white women is the culprit here. And I guess that has merit. Which would then explain the hate that a lot of light skinned women receive from other black women since black men love them some light chicks and dark chicks know that causing them to hate on their light sisters who can at times be assholes about the fact that they get a lot of love from black men. Not always, as I know some light chicks who hate the light attention as much as dark chicks do. Which is kind of interesting if you think about it. If you are a light chick who gets a lot of sweats from black men and you know that light skinned women do indeed get points, and you hate the points you get for being light skinnt so much so that you wish you didn’t get the points…how do you reconcile that? Does it stop light chicks from being proud of who they are??

It’s like intra-race reverse affirmative action.

Slavery really did a number on us didn’t it? Some of the self-hate that a lot of us are caught up in has translated into our love for the light. A lot of us hate ourselves. We hate our skin cuz its black, we hate black pepper, we hate midnight, and black ball point pens. Hell, there are some black folks reading this right now who hate what I’m saying cuz the text is showing up black. Psychologically we get so caught up in light versus dark in our community (and you better believe its still an issue) that we offer solace to light-skinned women who would in NO way ever get points if life made sense.

[***DISCLAIMER #1: I'm aware that all men don't go straight for light-skinned women. But facts and videos don't lie to us. ***]

Which brings up another point. In an ideal world, dark skinned women could be video ho*s urban models. That’s actually the saddest and funniest part of the entire debate. We always hear about all the light skinned women in videos — which just so happen to be the same videos that so many women rail against. The same videos that exploit women to the fullest are the very ones that many darker women get upset about not being able to participate in. Strange, strange world we live in.

And really, that’s what its all about, equal opportunity in my videos.

It was written.

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST

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Damon Young

Panama Jackson is pretty fly for a light guy. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. He believes the children are our future and is waiting to find out if he is the 2nd most interesting man in the world.

  • Wise Diva

    Intraracial prejudice has always perplexed me. I didn’t really see it play out until college since I was in predominantly white schools/neighborhoods growing up.

    What really kills me is that it is something we can get past, yet we not only have a hard time doing so, we actually add to the chasm that seems to have been placed there by our painful history. It’s just frustrating, it really is. We still have men/women seeking partners on hair texture/skin tone.

    • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

      We still have men/women seeking partners on hair texture/skin tone.

      yeah trying to have babies with “good” hair……

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        Thats some ridiculous motive for mating. And the thought of “good hair” is pandora’s box, and I wanna leave that ish CLOSED for now.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “And the thought of “good hair” is pandora’s box, and I wanna leave that ish CLOSED for now.”

          open dat b*tch up and sh*t

        • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

          “Thats some ridiculous motive for mating. And the thought of “good hair” is pandora’s box, and I wanna leave that ish CLOSED for now.”

          Playing Devil’s Advocate…If the light/brights get more action, wouldn’t parents want their kids to get action?? LOL I think more people consider skin tone and hair texture but just don’t say it in ‘polite’ company. Trust, I’ve had a people think we were cool enough that they could tell me shyt like, “That’s my girl but she can’t be in the wedding because she’s too dark. I don’t want my photos to have an ink spot in them.” Our friendship changed after that.

          • V.E.G.

            “Trust, I’ve had a people think we were cool enough that they could tell me shyt like, ‘That’s my girl but she can’t be in the wedding because she’s too dark. I don’t want my photos to have an ink spot in them.’”

            Oh my. Wow.

            • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

              I have this thing where people just get super comfy with me. I don’t know what it is.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                “I have this thing where people just get super comfy with me. I don’t know what it is.”

                you’re the hostess and sh*t. people get comfortable with hostesses

              • Scipio Africanus

                Stop offering random people red Kool-Aid. That’s what happens when you do that.

            • genius khan

              V dot

              ““Trust, I’ve had a people think we were cool enough that they could tell me shyt like, ‘That’s my girl but she can’t be in the wedding because she’s too dark.”

              yeah i see the intra race color issue here but i also see this being a gender thing. i don’t think dudes would focus on this as much as woman would.

              i question if the woman making the statement is really the other girls “friend” which is another issue i have with a lot of women and their fake list of “keeping up appearances” friends.

              i don’t care how dark (or fugly) my “real” friends are, i want them there for important life events if possible. now we may talk about his arse in front of him as we look back on the pictures (thick skin, women a lot more sensitive) and “jank”

              …for instance if he has ragged teeth, we might say boy u sure put a ugly asz bite in an apple. i can almost smell ur breath on this picture. nigga u got insurance get that shit fixed. i would not secretly keep him out of the wedding party on looks if he is truly close enough to me, to otherwise be in the wedding party.

              talk black to me…

          • http://rantsofawildchild.wordpress.com/ ladebelle

            wowzers…someone said that outloud?

            i hope their view of themselves changed after that too… that’s so shallow…

            • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

              No. Her opinion is still the same. And she’s keeping her child out of the sun so she doesn’t darken up. *sigh*

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

            Thats the most ignant thing Ive heard in a while.

            • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

              Dom: That is absolutely not the most ignorant thing you’ve heard. You listen to rap right?? Yeah so I know you have heard things AS ignorant or even more ignorant:-)

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

                no no, that ish takes the cake. Unfortunately I expect rappers to be on some dumb ish.

          • http://thecocoaluvchronicles.blogspot.com Nekia

            I hope that what your “friend” said wasn’t true. That is absolutely the worst thing to hear from a so called friend. sheesh.

        • http://thoughtpurge08.blogspot.com K.I.M.

          All I got to say is that while ‘hair’ is not a determining factor in who I date…it’s like hmm my hair is this way (curly grade), I’m not sure how to manage hair that’s much different from mine. I’ll learn, but it sho’ would be easier to deal with something that I’m familiar with.

          • V.E.G.

            My mom has straight hair and I have curly hair. It was hell for her to figure out what to do with my hair (i.e. do not brush it!!!) but she learned. lol.

            • KindredSmile

              I had the same experience – my Mom just styled my hair (thick) the way she did hers (fine and wavy). Imagine a five year old with a rollerset – not. cool. I looked like a lion.

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                LMAO @ vision of u as a cub

      • miss t-lee

        “yeah trying to have babies with “good” hair……”

        Yeah…this ish kills me.

      • http://www.sheliagoss.com/blog Shelia

        ““yeah trying to have babies with “good” hair……”

        If I had a dime for every time I heard that I would be rich. Shoot that’s why they make relaxers.

        • Precious Rubenstein

          They make relaxers so people can have “good” hair?

          • http://www.sheliagoss.com/blog Shelia

            Precious, you know folks think “good hair” is straight hair so yes if someone is that concerned about having what they consider “good hair” put a relaxer on it.

    • Leila

      “Intraracial prejudice has always perplexed me. I didn’t really see it play out until college since I was in predominantly white schools/neighborhoods growing up.”

      I can relate. I grew up in a predominately white area growing up and the black people stuck together because there were so few of us. We were proud to be black and there wasn’t really any preferential treatment for being light-skinned. To white people, they tend to see black people the same regardless of skin tone. My best friend was tall & light-skinned while I’m average height & brown-skinned and white people used to always confuse us. I didn’t see the preferential treatment really play out until I moved south after college.

      • V.E.G.

        In the south it is a very different issue. Brothas – and white men – love light skinned black women.I can’t walk through the Houston airport without picking up some numbers. Same when I’m home in New Orleans. In Chicago, I don’t see it play out that way nearly as much.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “In the south it is a very different issue. Brothas – and white men – love light skinned black women.I can’t walk through the Houston airport without picking up some numbers. Same when I’m home in New Orleans. In Chicago, I don’t see it play out that way nearly as much.”

          i’ve heard this numerous times, that the shade/tone issue is more prevalent in the south and out west than it is in the northeast.

          just another reason why us mid-atlantic folk are better people than the rest of you

          • V.E.G.

            LMAO at better.

            Shade/tone issue definitely not prevalent in Chicago. I usually get a lot of play from dudes once they learn I’m from the South, though. They are looking for a hot meal cuz ‘up north’ girls don’t cook. :)

            • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

              I have yet to taste anything you cooked. you DEFINITELY need more people (as in Shekinah’s Glory Ministry or Joshua’s Troop)

              • V.E.G.

                Fool: I got mo people…YOU. You HAVE eaten somethin I cooked. You maxed it. You and the Puerto Rican diva MAXED some mac n cheese (baked, not boxed) I brought to the office.

                Greedy azz asked me to bring more.

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                Hmph… I don’t recall this. You made it up. Get yo troop ready.

          • miss t-lee

            just another reason why us mid-atlantic folk are better people than the rest of you

            *throat punch*

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            our (southern and western) women look better though.

            this has already been established as fact.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              “our (southern and western) women look better though.

              this has already been established as fact.”

              true…but your kids are usually much dumber. this even things out

              • V.E.G.

                “your kids are usually much dumber”

                Don’t get your back dirtied, Champ.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                “Don’t get your back dirtied, Champ.”

                the only way a southerner could dirty my back is if i sat on their couch.

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                “the only way a southerner could dirty my back is if i sat on their couch.”

                In the Chi, we’d like to say VEG was just TREATED.

                That is all.

            • The Queen

              Boooooooooooooooooooooooo!

      • http://www.sheliagoss.com/blog Shelia

        “To white people, they tend to see black people the same regardless of skin tone”

        That’s the sad part about it. It doesn’t matter–if you have one drop of Black blood in you, you’re Black. Society says so and the laws on the books says so too.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

          I dont think its sad, I like that there is a definition for being black. That way when mofos like Tiger Woods come up with ish like Cabaclasian I can point to the rule book and say “hold up playa…”

          The onlt sad part is that alot of mixed folk dont see it that way.

        • http://www.myspace.com/shonta Ericka

          the one drop rule is sad, but lately i had over 15 friends get married since college majority of them dark skinned women, 12 of the husbands white men and 3 hispanic. so not all white people are going for light skin women. plus whenever i visit friends in france, london, seoul or tokyo they want to stay there because dark skin women are in. especially france..i walked through the airport and looking at magazine covers would have though i was in africa, belize or panama. TRAVEL…it will do you good.

    • http://kamakula.wordpress.com kamakula

      I think the problem is not the criteria that people use to choose their mates but that it bothers you (and others). Why do you care? As Jay-Z said, what you eat don’t make me shit.

    • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com Deviant

      I’m trying to have babies with the nappiest hair possible. Imma comb my sons hair with a fork

      • http://thecocoaluvchronicles.blogspot.com Nekia

        ***dead*** A FORK…. Ok Ariel

        Oh yea I’m a lurker who has come out of hiding :)

    • Yeah Whatev

      Me being a fairly dark-skinned woman. Who has been told numerous times that I am attractive. HOWEVER Ever since I was a child I was brainwashed into thinking that I should never marry/mate with a man darker or as dark as myself. I was always told the lighter the better and make sure he has nice hair too. Better yet make him another race. Seriously. I have heard this. Seriously. Opened up old wounds man.

    • Zee

      Pretty is pretty and ugly is ugly. I know my chocolate skin brings attention from the entire range of skin tones and if someone is not attracted to me because of me skin color I’m likely to not be attracted to them because their stupid.

  • ladyB

    isn’t it actually about equally free admission to the night promoted by “DJ Lish and PYT Ent”?

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      yeah, that pic/flier was…i took it down b/c i didn’t want to explain my logic in putting that pic up though it made sense in my head.

      but yeah, you’re right…though, that whole situation as stupid as hell to me. the promoter just threw the wrong party first…anyway…happy trails.

      • ladyB

        totally understood. i was in DC and the dj yelled out that they were having a “light skinned versus dark skinned dance competition” and I told my girls it was time to go.

        the whole situation is stupid but it definitely has roots in our history with slavery, internalized self-hate, and institutionalized racism… i’ll name the place, u bring the crown (or the stoli peach), and we’ll chat ;-)

        keep up the good work!

        • V.E.G.

          “i was in DC and the dj yelled out that they were having a “light skinned versus dark skinned dance competition” and I told my girls it was time to go.”

          This really happened?????

        • http://www.thecomebackgirl.com The Comeback Girl

          isn’t there a club song that I always used to hear in DC too that probably inspired the competition… “all the dark skinned ladies put your hands up, all the light skinned ladies put your hands up.

          That song was so dam#n stupid…

        • miss t-lee

          “totally understood. i was in DC and the dj yelled out that they were having a “light skinned versus dark skinned dance competition”

          See, that’s that bullish right thurr.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “i was in DC and the dj yelled out that they were having a “light skinned versus dark skinned dance competition” and I told my girls it was time to go.”

          you sure you weren’t on the set of “school daze”?

        • Dorian G.

          “i was in DC and the dj yelled out that they were having a “light skinned versus dark skinned dance competition” and I told my girls it was time to go.”

          Ah the ol’ divide and conquer. Don’t pay no attention to them boo, I loves me a light/dark skin dancing girl any day. You killed it out there with the cabbage patch, they was just hating. So you wanna go back to my place and show me some moves? Remember I loves me a light bright/dark belle!

          • ladyB

            sorry for that absence, good people. work was kickin my tail…

            yes, it really happened – i think the club was actually in baltimore on the water – wet or something like that. i was in dc on business, though.

            yeah, that song is dumb as #3!!

            yeah – that’s that bullish – and folks still be jumpin up in that ish like it’s the hottest dance contest ever…

            nah, it wasn’t school daze – tisha campbell wasn’t there looking like a flamin hot dee-zash-tray

            at DG: i shole would asked for my money back had i paid to get in that bia…

  • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

    Ha!! All darker women need to do is have the camera person flood their faces with light. They will go from being Lauren Hill’s real complexion to Beyonce’s real complexion in a second. Also, don’t forget that long hair makes men think swamp donkey’s a pretty too. So does being thin. If a woman is lighter than a paper bag, with long hair, and wears single digit dressed, she’s three points closer to being called FINE than are her darker, shorter hair having, thicker counterpart.

    • Wise Diva

      yeah, it is interesting how the long hair admiration crosses racial lines, too.

    • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

      the standards for beauty in American mainstream society
      Thin, Light, long STRAIGHT hair

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        Well if thats the standards of beauty, then I’m an old sock. The only thing I qualify for is the “thin”. I’m dark w/ kinky hair. WOMP.

        • KindredSmile

          LMAO @ old sock… there, there **pats fro**

    • V.E.G.

      “If a woman is lighter than a paper bag, with long hair, and wears single digit dressed, she’s three points closer to being called FINE than are her darker, shorter hair having, thicker counterpart.”

      When has being small ever been a plus in the black community? Most brothas like a lil meat…specially on the azz and thighs.

      I wear a size 2 but have been called ‘skinny thick’ by quite a few brothas. Thankfully, my size 4 a$$, track thighs and boobs have kept me from suffering a true skinny girls fate…loneliness!

      • kalia

        yeah, being black and skinny is for the birds, i think our people def. appreciate meat on the bones from grandma constantly persuading us to eat, to men who want something to hold on to ….i’m eating full fat yogurt trying to get some “thickness” as we speak…. ;)

        • V.E.G.

          I just wolfed down cheese eggs and oatmeal for the same reason. :)

          • Scipio Africanus

            Don’t forget the Welch’s grape.

        • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

          “…to men who want something to hold on to…”

          I’ve said here before that I am too thin for the south. Where do y’all live?? I’m not tryna be difficult but ’round these parts, if a chick wants THAT GUY her ass had better be a TIGHT size 8 or below and better not even think about gaining a pound.

      • miss t-lee

        “When has being small ever been a plus in the black community? Most brothas like a lil meat…specially on the azz and thighs.”

        This is truth.

      • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

        Really?? In the south, thin isn’t hot. But up here where ‘trophy’ is all the rage, most men (of the THAT GUY variety) are not tryna roll into the inaugural ball with someone who is bigger than a size 8. If she’s short, no bigger than a 6. And you know the rationale they freely share with me (prolly cus they think since I’m thin I won’t judge them)–big ladies don’t look healthy and will get fatter after kids. Even for dating they say being with a bigger girl makes them look unsuccessful. I REALLY need to just stop talking to people.

        • V.E.G.

          It’s definitely a class thing. I notice I get hit on my a better class of men (i.e. ones with jobs) than my thicker friends.

          And regional: southern boys love a stallion.

          • http://www.goodeness.blogspot.com GOODENess

            southern boys love a stallion.

            (nutty professor style) I’m a pony! I’m a pony! don’t you feel like a pony!!?!

            lol…couldn’t help it and sh1t!

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            “It’s definitely a class thing. I notice I get hit on my a better class of men (i.e. ones with jobs) than my thicker friends.”

            this isn’t a race specific quality though. its been proven that generally speaking, the higher someones socioeconomic background is, the thinner the people theyre attracted to become.

            also, this is true for both men AND women

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

              This is very true. Im TINY despite my love of food, and I seem to get the “upwardly mobile” dudes. The ones who are or will be making bank. I aint complaning.

            • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

              So lemme be clear… the better a man is doing financially, the more likely his is to choose a thinner woman? Do y’all think this is because the thinner woman is seen as more of a trophy than the bigger chick?? Or is it that these men are just more likely to be around women who watch what they eat, exercise, etc? Or are men with more money likely to consider the health benefits of being thinner? And don’t even come at me with that notion that bigger people can be healthier than thinner people. Sure it happens but it’s a exception to the rule–especially in the Black community.

              • http://thoughtpurge08.blogspot.com K.I.M.

                IMO, it’s the trophy syndrome. The upwardly mobile guy probably has several dinner parties to go to. He wants other men to look at him and desire what he has (the expensive car, nice house, great cufflinks, foreign cigar collection ect.) It seems that the woman becomes the accessory and the more ‘Hollywood’ desirable she is, the better…because he knows that she will be generally accepted as beautiful. Unless he’s meeting said woman in a gym/health food store, there is no telling how she maintains her figure.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                to be honest, i dont remember the exact rationale behind the theory.

              • V.E.G.

                I think that as a man acquire wealth, he wants to hold on to said wealth. So he seeks out a smaller woman, assuming she will eat less food, therefore costing him less money. :)

              • http://www.myspace.com/regalmuse Muse

                Wealther people tend to be on the thinner side because they have better access to healthcare, proper nutrition, and knowledge of how critical exercise is to overall health. It would make sense that wealther men would be more inclined to be with a thinner woman. Also our society values being thin. Rarely do I see wealther men with big women.

          • http://myspace.com/Time4SumAkShone AkShone

            “Southern boys love a stallion.”

            - Finally…a t-shirt I can wear!!!

        • V.E.G.

          But even on a thin girl men want some meat. No one wants the toothpick.

        • http://thoughtpurge08.blogspot.com K.I.M.

          Ehhh – From your postings, I imagine us to be about the same size, no?

          I never lack for attention and I’m in ATL…but then again, I get some lite-brite points. So maybe the points that I lose in not being a size 8+, I make up in being light. (I jest, I jest).

        • Lil Bit

          @Hostess,

          I agree. Only broke black men like “thick” chicks. Keep eating that fatty yogurt and get triple bypass later.

          • LO

            “I agree. Only broke black men like “thick” chicks.”

            Being a black male from the south (Texas), i feel its my duty to correct this common misconception. Those broke black men dont like “thick” chicks they like “thuck” chicks, theres a big difference. Thick dosent mean you fat or over weight. It means that you have a certain shape coke bottle shape. i.e. a rotund behind, large rack (in some cases), and full/athletic thighs and a small waist with a flat stomach.

            p.s. “thuck” means thick as a truck, overweight, etc

      • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

        yeah in the hood thickness is they weakness!!! but MAINSTREAM society uses the thin and you in motto…

      • laylah

        i completely agree.. i’ve always been self conscious bc i felt i lacked in the booty area… i try and make myself feel better by saying that by boobies and hips make up for it. standards of beauty across races is completely different. My family has always called me skinny: 5’7, a size 4 , 130 pounds. When I started my job- one in the fashion industry where it is predominately white, i was looked at as one of the bigger girls in the office. i’ve actually been called “a big girl”…

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      the long hair thing though actually has biological reasoning to it. long, healthy hair suggests youth and fertility, two characteristics that men are typically attracted to.

      • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

        I do kinda understand that BUT, what’s up with chicks who have horrible UNHEALTHY looking skin but get a pass because they are light?

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “I do kinda understand that BUT, what’s up with chicks who have horrible UNHEALTHY looking skin but get a pass because they are light?”

          i blame it on jim jones. i blame everything on jim jones

          • Dorian G.

            Champ we done already talked about this Jim Jones thing….watch your tone (c) Jamie Foxx

          • laylah

            “i blame it on jim jones. i blame everything on jim jones”

            fyi… ive stolen this quote so many times it’s insane. Thank you Champ :)

        • V.E.G.

          I once tutored a girl in junior high who had horrible skin. She was light and had sandy hair and thought she was fyne. She wanted to model. Took all I had not to tell her “you ain’t gone be on nobody’s magazine with skin like that.’

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            totally unrelated to the post but i remember a long time ago i walked into my homeboy’s house and i saw all these pseudo-glamour shots of his girl sitting around. this ninja had the nerve to tell me that his swamp-donkey-in-training girlfriend had the audacity to think she was both cute AND could be a model.

            i blame false aspirations on T-boz from TLC. Ever since her f*cktastic performance in Belly, folks forgot that failure was an option.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              “i blame false aspirations on T-boz from TLC. Ever since her f*cktastic performance in Belly, folks forgot that failure was an option.”

              i’d shift the blame to hype “i’m such a freakin genius” williams, but, to be honest, theres more than enough blame to go around for everyone

              • http://myspace.com/thomasforbes Monk

                “i’d shift the blame to hype “i’m such a freakin genius” williams”

                I find this statement to be blaspemous. Just kidding…kinda.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

        Dammit! I gotta start reading all the comments before I resond.

    • Dorian G.

      Um being skinnier does make you more attractive than being fat. Disregard my facts if I wasn’t supposed to rain on the parade.

      • miss t-lee

        If you say so…

      • http://myspace.com/thomasforbes Monk

        This is true. Obesity is RARELY looked at as being attractive.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

      I think the long hair preference crosses cultures because it signifies health and fertility. I read that in a book once, and I thought it was interesting.

      Where’s KIT when you need her?

  • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

    hey how about the caramel colored chicks in the center of the spectrum. Men always have a light or dark preference. We are left totally out the mix. Nobody ever says… Mayne them light skinned chicks straight but I loves me an old medium brown joint and we dont have any nifty slogans either… Imean the browner the berry dosent have the same ring…..

    • ladyB

      yo- i had a dude call me “caramel” and i was so… turned off but only because i was confused… i didn’t know what it meant to be a caramel chick! HAHA!

      ‘sigh… what is we gone do, y’all?

    • http://andsoitislive.net/wordpress KaNisa

      LOL…

      Didn’t Prince have a song like Cinnamon Girl?

      I guess we get love from him…

      • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Naturally Alise

        Ooh D’Angelo’s Brown Sugar, oh da*n that won’t about a woman….. well I tried…

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      what about blackstar’s “brown-skinned lady”?

      • kalia

        awww man, that’s the jam

      • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Naturally Alise

        “Even my condiotioning has been conditioned…” the intro/skit to that song always cracks me up! Thnat is my song!

      • Nut

        what about blackstar’s “brown-skinned lady”?

        ……all the brothas on the avenue I know when they see her say Yea!!!!… I love that song.

        I’m in the south and it’s true that light is right but chocolate is everyone’s guilty pleasure. I am a brown skinned lady and I love it. Growing up in the south made me think that it wasn’t beautiful for a long time. Now that I’m older I don’t really think about my skin color as much as I do about appearence. My skin is even and blimish free, that’s good for me. I have kinky hair and I think it’s good hair; it’s health, strong and sexy. I had braids this summer and realized that I like sporting my fro because it’s a different type of attention; I attract all races. With the fake hair flowing down my back brothers do come running; not what I want. With my fro most men respectfully approach, I get more compliments even from women.

      • http://www.goodeness.blogspot.com GOODENess

        yeah I LOVE “Brown Skinned Lady”… I be trying to act like it’s my theme song and sh1t but my babymama says I am NOT brown and should give it up! lol…so now Talib’s “Hot Thang” is my theme song…”I like to play connect the dots with your facial freckles!” oh fa’sho!

        ***he and Nas ripped it last night BTW…***

        • sisanda

          “I’m a victim brotha, the white man has programmed my condition, even my condition has conditioning” – Love that skit too much

          Cummon, let’s show some love to our dark skinned ladies.

          “he and Nas ripped it last night BTW” – man i am so jealous, i’ve been listening to Nas’s Untitled and the kid is too fresh and constantly on point through out {Yall ma n*ggas fav. track}

      • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

        I forgot all about that joint!!!!! Okay 1 song? I mean can I get more than one ode to the caramel coated vixens? I might have to lay down a funky fresh 16 for yall a$$es……maybe not

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          actually, Goodie Mob also has a song entitled “Beautiful Skin” which is about women appreciating their dark skin…i actually like that song more than i do Blackstar’s “brown skin lady”

          • miss t-lee

            Yes!!! I love that song.

          • shay-d-lady

            yeah but again thats for all women I want a joint just for us..all the songs you name are for brown skin but they are really talking about the darker versions…like I said everyonce in while they while shout out the caramel, cinnamon, tawny, amber,burnt sienna chicks!

    • kalia

      lol…i feel u shay. i think your “category” of skin tone changes depending on where you go. where i’m from (in the midwest) i’m brown-skinned….down south people have refered to me as “that tall light skinned girl”. and although it doesn’t matter it throws me off a bit. I was working with some students in a high school in north carolina and a girl asked me if i was mixed and another student replied, “nah, she’s just light skinned”….huh??? i think region plays a big role….

      of course in the dominican republic there is a label for every skin tone under the sun, so people call me “morena”….but the skin color issues in DR warrant a whole ‘nother post…..

      • V.E.G.

        In New Orleans there is a difference between red, yella and high yella.

        • SouthernGirl

          LMAO! This is so true. Ugh! Walking down the street in N.O. hearing “Say, red! Pssst, psst…” was not the sh*t cause it was usually followed up by even more foolishness. Trying to use these words to describe somebody outside of home was often met with blank stares.

          Why do I feel like I’m back in high school?

        • miss t-lee

          You’re right…

        • http://www.goodeness.blogspot.com GOODENess

          YAYEE YAYEE!! I am always referred to as “red”…I love it when the creative brothers come up with better ways to say it though…I was told I have a honey baked color…I’ve been sun-kissed…sun-sweet…and one bruh spit some MOs Def “red and sweet like a cinnamon straw!”…I loves me an articulate @ss man! I do! I do! I do!

        • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

          red, yella and high yella….thats true down here too….I actually had a chick at work get fi mad when someone called her brown skin. Now I am squarely in the middle of the spectrum she was a shade or 2 darker than me. When I say that chick had tears in her eyes while she loudly proclaimed that she was red….I had to walk away. I wanted to karate chop that chick squarely in her throat but as a member of management I dont think that would have been appropriate. I gave her the Ho sit down award for the day…red? ninja please…..

          • V.E.G.

            My cousin’s teen aged daughter has serious issues accepting the fact she is brown. We are trying to teach her she is beautiful, no matter what (the girl is cold). But it has to be hard for her to do that being one of few brown girls in a fam full of lighter women.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

              lol…women’s skin tone dynamics are the stuff of legend. somebody has to have done a major study on this somewhere…

              how does a woman’s skin tone directly effect her self-esteem and therefore her success in life?

              the sad part is…black is beautiful…it shouldn’t even matter…

              i blame jim jones.

              • kalia

                working on that research as we speak! (on kids and their parents in the U.S.)..i already collected data in the caribbean. the impact of skin tone on self-esteem is real…

      • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

        You are right about regions. To me, in my mind and mirror, I’m brown. The father south I go, the lighter they think I am. And the women I know from there who are the same exact complexion as me all say they are light. I’m thinking, “B*tch your ass is ‘chocolate chip cookie’ brown. Go somewhere and sit down.”

        • V.E.G.

          “And the women I know from there who are the same exact complexion as me all say they are light. I’m thinking, “B*tch your ass is ‘chocolate chip cookie’ brown. Go somewhere and sit down.”

          LMAO. I once got hell for calling someone, while describing them, brown. Everyone else considered them light. lol. Definitely depends on where you’re from.

        • http://www.myspace.com/wudaman19 WuDaMan

          Aight real talk all my life I thaught I was brown. Growing up on th south side of lake michigan. When I matriculated to FAMU I got tole I was a yelluh one. I was like really!? No no not me! But people was serious. Made me feel like that guy @ the end of The Jerk.

          Sort of like when slavery ended in Brazil. Negrus got tole to mix (‘get like me said whitey’) it up cuz they wasn’t gonna get treated nicely w/ that darker flesh. I think that in the south where slavery was way to real people didn’t exactly adopt that I better change my flesh as much as they changed the way they saw things.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        “but the skin color issues in DR warrant a whole ‘nother post…..”

        ain’t that the truth, Ruth!

        • laylah

          you guys should do a post on that, seriously, cuz i got some things to say… word.

          :)

    • JBoogie

      Girl, I’m in this group too…honey/caramel colored depending on how much I’ve been in the sun.

    • http://www.sheliagoss.com/blog Shelia

      “hey how about the caramel colored chicks in the center of the spectrum. ”

      Shaydlady we need to start a brown skinned movement…lol

    • miss t-lee

      Ya’ll forget about India Arie’s “Brown Skin”?

    • Scipio Africanus

      Y’all are the petty laborers in Marx’s ideology. Y’all gon’ overthrow the light brites and have your own dictatorship. A dictatorship of the medium browns.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      ODB’s “dogsh*t” was actually about brown skinned women as well.

      it was a metaphor

  • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

    . I am from the south. I had several great aunts that use to show favoritism to us based on our skin tone. One aunt use to actually call my darker cousins pickaninnys! I have a cousin that I have always idolized. She is beautiful, dark smooth, unblemished skin, long, thick hair, hourglass shape. I hate when people say “mayne she fine, especially for a dark skinned chick”. WTF? the whole intra racial thing proves that we as black people are still feeling a lot of the residual effects of slavery and jim crow. I mean we still were uncovering ‘passers” in the 80′s (See anatole broyard). That’s why I get so mad when I hear people (black, white and other) say we should just get over it and put slavery in the past.

    • V.E.G.

      My maw maw once told my cousin that living in Houston made her “too black”. The girl had a tan. But she’s in her 80s and I forgive old people many things. They don’t know any better.

      • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

        girl my parents still say that.. and my grandma always makes comments like..girl stay out of that pool you getting black…or when she sees my daughter or neice and nephew..yall been out in the sun to long you don turnt black

      • JBoogie

        Lord, why? But seriously, most black people here in Houston stay inside as much as possible during the summer…lest we hear exactly the same thing your grandmother said from others!

        • miss t-lee

          Yeah…it’s the same down here JBoogie.
          Girl, I ain’t coming out right now, wait until dark thirty and then we’ll go have dinner…lol

        • http://www.goodeness.blogspot.com GOODENess

          I noticed that when I was there…(with the exception of when I was pregnant) I was always trying to walk somewhere or do something outside…adn ni99eros were like NO MA’AM!! lol…I love the way the sun feels on my skin, but I wear tube tops alot so I tan even…lol…

          • JBoogie

            girl…shydd…we DON’T do outside in the summer!

    • http://www.thecomebackgirl.com The Comeback Girl

      ” I am from the south. I had several great aunts that use to show favoritism to us based on our skin tone. One aunt use to actually call my darker cousins pickaninnys! I have a cousin that I have always idolized. She is beautiful, dark smooth, unblemished skin, long, thick hair, hourglass shape. I hate when people say “mayne she fine, especially for a dark skinned chick”

      Happened in my family too. And I think that is the worst, you should really be able to escape that shyt in a family, luckily my mama wasn’t having ANY of it–and she would shut it down right when the the little “affectionate” names would start. Our cute little “blackberry” and our cute “little special red bone” who could do no wrong and got more christmas presents cause she looked like grandma. Its a cautionary tale because the cute little red bone with the light eyes is doing life in prison over some man who HAD to have her.

      So don’t cry for my azz argentina.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        “Its a cautionary tale because the cute little red bone with the light eyes is doing life in prison over some man who HAD to have her. ”

        so this is basically the polar opposite of michael dyson’s story then huh?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

        This happened in my family too, on my dads side. My light skinned cousins got preferential treatment. Gifts, trips, money, to run all over the damn house. My mom raised my brother and I to ignore that. Eventually, the discipline got us degrees. My light skinned cousins got jobs for min. wage.

        • http://www.thecomebackgirl.com The Comeback Girl

          @ Dom, every wrong ALWAYS rights itself.

    • miss t-lee

      I hate when people say “mayne she fine, especially for a dark skinned chick”.

      My BF gets this ish all the time. I get this as well, but insert “big” for dark, and there ya go…lol
      Oh yeah Anatole Broyard only got found out when he died. His own kids didn’t know he was black.

    • OlderWoman

      Grow up and get over it.

  • http://myspace Luckyred

    Growing up I used to hate when people said to me…”You are such a beautiful dark skinned girl”

    come on like being dark automatically mean that I was suppose to be ugly or something.

    so disappointed with ignorant people.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “You are such a beautiful dark skinned girl”

      you know what, i think theres a difference between this statement and saying…

      “youre beautiful FOR a dark skinned girl”.

      in the first statement, dark skinned is just an adjective. it could have very easily been “tall” or “slutty” or “autistic”, and the sentence would have the same connotation

      • http://www.goodeness.blogspot.com GOODENess

        “autistic”

        ***Champ gets his parts of speech educator on as he racks up hell points***

        • Chanelle

          lmao! hell points

      • http://pancakesandchocolate-myspace Luckyred

        hey you know what I meant Champ… : )~

  • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

    “Slavery really did a number on us didn’t it?”

    Inspector Obvious SAVES THE DAY!!!

    • V.E.G.

      Slavery, colonialism, apartheid (South African, American, etc…)…all did a number on us.

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        History f*cked Black people. In the *ss. With no lube. No doubt about it.

        • V.E.G.

          History. Greed. The oppressor.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      “Inspector Obvious SAVES THE DAY!!!”

      don’t make me deport you.

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        I hate you. :-p

  • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

    Beyonce is a GREAT study in the color complex in America. Honestly, she is cute but the way people talk about her, you’d think her face was made up of fairy dust and unicorn horn, with a dash of angel wing. I don’t think she is extraordinarily beautiful but I do think people give her more points b/c she is fairer.

    Don’t get me wrong. Benoncay is cool and pretty but damn. When did she become the END ALL BE ALL for men?? Is it for her personality? NO, cuz she has the personality of a baby toe when she’s off stage.

    And to continue on my hater mode, her body ain’t mo’ special than the girl you grew up with next door who is thick and tight.

    *hate hate hate hate*

    • V.E.G.

      Green glob coming all out ya mouth…

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        AAWWW look at ya takin up for ya Creole kinfolk. :-p

        • V.E.G.

          I ain’t takin up for her.

          You know I think she’s ‘common’ looking. Cute, but unless she is glammed up, she is no more stunning than many women I see on the streets.

          Also, horse hair does wonders for the way you look. Sad, but true.

          • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

            Yeah there are a couple of cold horses in Detroit as we speak b/c of the Lil Creole Pimp’s Aunt (whoever gets the show this reference is from will get a… umm… an e-hug from me).

            • miss t-lee

              C+D?
              You’re talking about Daniel….lmao!!!

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                You KNOW it, T!

          • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Naturally Alise

            Naw girl, it is unicorn hair, (horn optional), you know only the best for Bey… LOL

            • http://www.goodeness.blogspot.com GOODENess

              Naw girl, it is unicorn hair!!

              ***DEAD***

    • malaika

      I so totally agree, its so annoying. When did she become the SI unit of beauty?

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        “When did she become the END ALL BE ALL for men??”

        according to who though? most men i know could name like 25 video chicks as well as women like kenya, halle, and queen stacey who they think are better looking than the thundergoat

        • V.E.G.

          Thundergoat????

          Agreed: Halle and Stacey Dash are cold. I can’t find any reason to hate on them. Lol. I had to interview Halle for a magazine years ago: she wore no makeup and still looked good. That says alot.

          B…I think that without the makeup and hair she is ‘hood cute.

          • Leila

            Halle is beautiful. Didn’t some scientific study say that she was ranked the most most beautiful person in the world based on facial dimensions or something. I read that somewhere last year.

        • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

          The word “Thundergoat” has changed my life. Thanks Champ.

    • miss t-lee

      “you’d think her face was made up of fairy dust and unicorn horn, with a dash of angel wing.”

      She’s more typical round the way cute, nothing special, at all.
      I can’t stand to hear the girl talk. It’s like nails on a chalkboard.

      • V.E.G.

        “I can’t stand to hear the girl talk.”

        Destiny’s Child was hosting some awards show and B started off with “I want to thank y’all for lettin’ us host y’alls show.” I almost died.

        • miss t-lee

          Hey, hey…I say ya’ll on a daily basis. It’s the Texan in us…lmao We can’t help it.
          Nah, seriously she could work on her diction and pronounciation though.

          • V.E.G.

            She pluralized y’all…an improper slang contraction that is in itself plural. I fainted. lol.

            • http://www.goodeness.blogspot.com GOODENess

              pluralized y’all…an improper slang contraction that is in itself plural

              VEG…my inner English teacher has such an e-crush on you right now…LOL…

              • http://glory-i-am.blogspot.com glory

                She wasn’t pluralizing it. That was a possessive s she tacked on to y’all. And since y’all ain’t a word… what is the non-word that shows that something belongs to “y’all”?

                But that extra s was ear-jarring. She should simply have repeated y’all.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          Hi Hater.

          don’t be talking about her speech patterns. she’s southern and charming.

          plus…she wrote Bootylicious. she can do no wrong.

          • miss t-lee

            You must forget I’m Southern and charming too.

            You’re welcome. :)

          • V.E.G.

            I’m southern. And I do not pluralize y’all. lol.
            Also: all southern girls are charming. They force us to be that way. In public at least.

            -Hater.

            • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

              “Also: all southern girls are charming.”

              Why must you turn these 4 walls into a house of LIES??

      • JBoogie

        that bothers me to no end. mofos be thinking that ALL negresses in Houston sound like her…i think NOT! somebody needs to eliza doolittle her and that speaking voice quickly…she STILL needs work!

        • miss t-lee

          “mofos be thinking that ALL negresses in Houston sound like her…i think NOT! somebody needs to eliza doolittle her and that speaking voice quickly…she STILL needs work!”

          LMAO!!!!! I freakin’ love it.
          Shouts to My Fair Lady…:)

        • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

          “The rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain.”

    • Dorian G.

      “I don’t think she (Beyonce) is extraordinarily beautiful but I do think people give her more points b/c she is fairer.”

      For the most part there are only two types of people who have your view point. Women and the men who are trying to f*ck them. I’ve seen Beyonce in person, I’ve seen Rihanna in person, I’ve seen Gabbie in person and I’ve seen Ms. Keys in person. Between those four its not even close. And ‘yonce is darker than two of those women.

    • http://www.thecomebackgirl.com The Comeback Girl

      Ok so along that same line of thinking what happened to Nivea *don’t mess with my man*, what’s going on with Cassie (muse or no muse for real for real), blu “hit um up style” cantrell…

      these are beautiful light skinned women. Beyonce is Beyonce because she is truley an exceptional entertainer. I dont think you can deny that.

      • http://www.goodeness.blogspot.com GOODENess

        ***lows REF whistle*** Nivea (named after a lotion looking boy) looks like a muppet…***blows REF whistle twice*** PLAY BALL!

        • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

          lows REF whistle*** Nivea (named after a lotion looking boy)
          LMAO!!!!!

          • http://www.thecomebackgirl.com The Comeback Girl

            ok ref…i’ll take the penalty and insert Keke (if only you knew) Wyatt for Nivea.

            • http://www.goodeness.blogspot.com GOODENess

              substitution accepted! she’s DOPE!

        • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

          Nivea has been on my shit list ever since she wore a pair of knee length spongebob squarepants socks in her music video. Don’t get me wrong. Me and Spongebob kicks it HARD errday on Nick but her overgrown yansh (naija slang for *ss), need not had that on.

        • Nut

          ***lows REF whistle*** Nivea (named after a lotion looking boy) looks like a muppet…***blows REF whistle twice*** PLAY BALL!

          lmbao!!!!!! @Goodness. that is some funny stuff lady

          A muppet indeed

      • puff

        blu cantrell is native american/italian… no negro in her family

        • http://www.thecomebackgirl.com The Comeback Girl

          lol..learn something new everyday however, somebody needs to delete the african american nba player father from her wiki entry.

        • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

          Well I’m glad Blu Cantrell ain’t one of us. I didn’t wanna claim her no way. She’s a hot mess.

          • miss t-lee

            For real. We ain’t claiming that.

            • http://www.thecomebackgirl.com The Comeback Girl

              @ Luvie & Miss-T

              whats wrong with her ??? I only offered the example that light doesn’t always seal your success in double platnum. there is a formula outside of skin tone.

              • miss t-lee

                She’s non talented. That’s the only thing I was talking about. I’m sure the kats will argue with me since she’s been in various “men’s” magazines and all.

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                AND…AND that wench got the nerve to actually walk around with royal blue contacts in her eyes. She offends me.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                “She offends me.”

                lol…damn. thats cold

    • JBoogie

      Bey…I mean, yeah, she’s garden variety pretty. She’s like girl next door pretty. I remember dating this dude back in college, and him saying one night “oh, she’s got pretty eyes”. I was like, um, okay. That was in the early dc days. Now, that child always looks so airbrushed and made up that it (to me) detracts a bit from her natural attractiveness.

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        Umm… Benoncay has brown eyes. She enhances them with contacts at times.

  • V.E.G.

    The intraracial thing has plagued me for years. What gets and saddens me is the beef that some sistas tend to have with me over something I have no control over.

    From an early age, there were girls who, during a playground argument would yell out “hi yella”…I mean, really. Is that the best insult you got? I also learned – quickly – that you cannot, under any circumstances, make any reference to their darker complexions in retaliation because you will not only have to fight them but any other brown sista who heard you say it.

    Now that I am grown, I still hear random chicks mutter under their breaths “she ain’t that cute. she just yella and small”. I thought I left all of that on the playground.

    • sisanda

      “under any circumstances, make any reference to their darker complexions ”

      Damn!! to be the minority within the minority, you should get double Affirmative points during interviews. Don’t worry I’m caramel to, i feel ya pain.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “she ain’t that cute. she just yella and small”.

      lol…i’m sorry but this is funny as hell

      • V.E.G.

        That ain’t funny. :p I am cute despite being yella and small. I have dimples. That automatically makes me cute. :)

        • http://www.goodeness.blogspot.com GOODENess

          this dude I knew thought I should “choose” him cuz he had dimples…I was like “ni99a please, dimples are a birth defect!” he looked like I just kicked his puppy…

          • V.E.G.

            oh no! lol.

            As far as birth defects go, dimples are a good one to end up with. Beats the sixth finger…

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              “As far as birth defects go, dimples are a good one to end up with. Beats the sixth finger…”

              or a wretched foot

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                or an arm on your back.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                “or an arm on your back.”

                this would actually be cool for a week or so.

            • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

              Or a 3rd nipple

              • shay-d-lady

                I was majorette with a chick that had 4 nipples……LMAO

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                Ok thats jus disturbing! a 4th nipple?? Did you see them? What did they look like? Did they have a function? Did you pass out on sight??

          • MissQueen

            @GOODENess,

            THANK you! I don’t know why people go friggin nuts over dimples! I’m not expressing this due to even a hint of jealousy – I, myself have dimples (as do many of my relateives). However, when I constantly see people make a big deal regarding dimples, I just think, ‘Are you serious?!’

  • purple*pop

    For me, I have never loathed or loved one shade over another. I guess it comes from the women in my family; my mom is mixed and my grandma has a rich complexion. Since I loved them both, the whole idea of light v.s. dark has never really had an impact on my life until I started to date.

    What gets on my nerves is when men will go on and on about my skin. That’s annoying, especially when all black is beautiful. I have brown skin, so I am not “light” nor am I “dark”. So luckily, the experience hasn’t been THAT severe for me as it has been for my cousins or friends.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “What gets on my nerves is when men will go on and on about my skin.”

      thing is though, whats wrong with a guy just loving your skin?

      • http://www.myspace.com/wudaman19 WuDaMan

        I mean ask any skripper she be gettin paid to show and shake her skin. What if it were your hands?

        • purple*pop

          What!?

      • purple*pop

        Nothing initially…It’s just the in depth analysis that gets me.