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Why You’re Trash-Ass Trash If You Use Negro Bed Wench As An Insult, Explained

What is a Negro Bed Wench?

Many things! A reliable hotep identifier. An ash magnet, as anyone who says it immediately becomes engulfed in a shroud of ash, like a chimney sweep with sentience. A valuable source of time efficiency, as hearing those three words in succession lets you know you don’t ever have to listen to anything else that person says. And a meaningless and historically inaccurate term conjured out of thin-ass hotep air to make people feel bad. It’s basically hotep Coke Zero.

Wait, what?

Nevermind.

Anyway, you’ll find this “insult” lobbed at Black women who date interracially. And Black women who claim to be feminists. And Black women who watch Scandal. And Black women who get french toast sticks at brunch instead of waffles. And Black women who use lotion. And Black women with first names starting with the letters “B,” “D,” “E,” “J,” “K,” “M,” “S,” “T,” and “Z.” And Black women with first names starting with all the letters I forgot to list. And Black women who possess the audacity to menstruate. The criteria for Negro Bed Wench distinction is pretty arbitrary. If you’re reading this and you happen to be a Black woman, that means (among other things) that you can read. Which might actually qualify you for Negro Bed Wenching.

I see. So, what does Negro Bed Wench even refer to? Why is it an insult?

During slavery, many enslaved Black women were raped by the men who owned them. Sometimes children would be a result of these rapes, leading some people, even today, in two thousand fucking seventeen, to refer to those women as their masters’ mistresses. An act which either minimizes or outright ignores the fact that ownership obviates sexual agency.

Last week, the homie Britni Danielle offered a thorough deconstruction of the egregious imprecision and the violence of referring to these women as mistresses.

From The Washington Post:

Just before the Fourth of July, NBC News ran a feature on the room, setting off a spate of coverage about the dig. Many of these stories described Hemings, the mother of six children with Jefferson, as the former president’s “mistress.” The Inquisitr, the Daily MailAOL and Cox Media Group all used the word (though Cox later updated its wording). So did an NBC News tweet that drew scathing criticism, though its story accurately called her “the enslaved woman who, historians believe, gave birth to six of Jefferson’s children.” The Washington Post also used “mistress” in a headline and a tweet about Hemings’s room in February.

Language like that elides the true nature of their relationship, which is believed to have begun when Hemings, then 14 years old, accompanied Jefferson’s daughter to live with Jefferson, then 44, in Paris. She wasn’t Jefferson’s mistress; she was his property. And he raped her.

Negro Bed Wench is a reference to that; insinuating that 1. these women voluntarily gave themselves to the men who literally owned them and 2. Black women today who happen to date White men and/or possess the temerity to critique patriarchy and hotepity are the metaphysical descendants of those women.

Wait, so the people who use Negro Bed Wench are making glib references to the abject and unspeakable horrors experienced by Black women?

They are.

Do they realize this?

Maybe?

Can you imagine the outcry if a Holocaust-related insult about Jewish women became as ubiquitous as Negro Bed Wench has?

I can’t.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

I don’t know.

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • PriceIsRightHorns

    Someone posted a comment on IG to Tamera saying those very words. It’s so disrespectful.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/83130eb8ecefa8be8dd5511ad73828efaa906a37eebba273dbf7c952af2bec2e.jpg

    • Val

      She rebuked him in the name of Jesus tho. Lol

      • miss t-lee

        I ain’t mad…lol

    • Ari

      This is originally what I thought he was referring to when I first saw the post on my FB feed.

    • miss t-lee

      People are so foul.
      You can tell the people who ain’t never been slapped in the mouth.
      That Christian shade at the end, warmed my heart though.

      • Jae Starz

        With the back of the hand! lol

        • miss t-lee

          4 fingers and a thumb!

      • PriceIsRightHorns

        Two-pieced. Immediately.

        • miss t-lee

          Extra crispy.

    • cysinblack

      Her husband is a conservative. So his whiteness is tainted beyond default whiteness.

      • Deeds

        Yea, didn’t he vote for Trump.

        • Val

          And he works for Fox News.

          • cysinblack

            Their home is decorated with Americana memorabilia. His style. Watched their reality show. And when defending her against the people against their union his argument is she’s half white.

            • Ms. Madam CJ Skywalker

              SMH.

          • Deeds

            Another reason why Tia is the favorite twin.

          • cedriclathan

            Immediate boot off the island!

      • La Bandita

        And he corrects her and anyone that calls her Black, he says HALF Black.

        • cysinblack

          And she’s too timid to push against it because losing him would force her to deal with reality she believes she has figured out.

    • BrothasKeeper

      “Winch”.

      • Cheech

        Spotted that.

      • PriceIsRightHorns

        I didn’t capture the one where he was all up and through the comments telling Tamera and anyone who checked him to “Shut up dumb b*tch!” In all caps. Clown.

      • miss t-lee

        I”m picturing a hook on the back of a dually right now.

      • Wild Cougar

        I’d consider it a compliment if you called me a negro bed winch. That would be very handy for getting a four poster king size up a flight of stairs. Hydraulics and all. You just calling me useful.

    • Ess da 5’6″

      Yeah, they stay in her IG comments like, Why are you even theeerrreeee?!

    • Deeds

      I’m glad she’s clapping back at people instead of crying about the mean things people say on the internet like she did when her and her sister had their reality show. I’m like, girl you’re gonna need a thicker skin if you’re gonna be in the public eye.

      • PriceIsRightHorns

        People will try these celebs all day long in these e-streets, so a thick skin is a must.

        She handled this well and didn’t respond after he continued to act a fool.

      • Brown Rose

        I remember that whining. One of the reasons why I stopped watching that show. Her husband is not even attractive. What did she see in him. She could have done better honestly.

        • Deeds

          I don’t get what she see’s in him either, looks or personality wise, but she clearly loves him. Hey she’s married to him, not me.

          • Brown Rose

            Yeah I know. Werd though.

          • miss t-lee

            These are my thoughts as well…lol

        • Coco

          He’s her first, and she waited until she was almost 30. She thinks he’s the bomb.com

          • Brown Rose

            Very interesting.

        • NonyaB?

          Aaand he apparently voted Trump.

          • Brown Rose

            Ugh….Gross….Yuck…..no flowery adjective necessary.

    • BJenks

      Why is he so bothered by them? I don’t understand it.

      • miss t-lee

        This is their M.O.

      • PriceIsRightHorns

        It’s crazy right? They drag Serena like this too. First they were mad about her looks, then they got mad when she got engaged.

      • NonyaB?

        Especially when regardless of who she married, she was never going to be with the rusted taint insulting her. But we all know hoteps don’t do logic.

    • Giantstepp

      I just don’t care who you date, love or marry. I don’t. I got bills, a daughter, a 7 month old granddaughter and a sick 71 year old mother to look after. The hard truth is some prefer to date outside of their race. Did I mention I don’t care? Hating it will never cause them to change their minds. Be happy. We only getting one go at life.

      • PriceIsRightHorns

        Well said.

      • miss t-lee

        The bottom line.

      • KeciB

        These are people who either have nothing else going on in their lives or they have crappy lives and the only way they derive any semblance of pleasure is by worrying about and putting down others. As long as you keep your chex organs away from me, do with them what you please (legally that is).

        • Giantstepp

          Agree. Has to be a miserable existence.

      • Brown Rose

        Everything said here is true. I dislike people yelling from the rooftops about it. Great you don’t like Black women…keep it moving.

        • Giantstepp

          Confused here. I don’t like black women?

          • Brown Rose

            No Giant. Not you…those other “yous”…You are super cool man.

            • Giantstepp

              Cool and I had to re-read what I said because I didn’t want to give that impression lol. We good “Brown Rose”.

      • lunanoire

        I care about the money drain. The more power and money we have, the more likely we marry out, which makes it more difficult to fund pro-black projects and institutions or continue building wealth for another generation to fund pro-black projects and institutions.

        • MsSula

          Marrying a non-black person only means you fell in love with a non-black person. It doesn’t mean you are no longer interested in or concerned about black causes, issues and problems.

          So funding pro-black projects should not be a problem.

          And I believe on this here site, the marrying-out once we have more money and power has been debunked? Or am I mistaking?

        • NonyaB?

          You don’t stop being and caring for the Black community just because your spouse isn’t one. The proportion of US Blacks in interracial marriages is also very small (~5-7%) and the subgroup of that don’t support their community in some shape/form is obviously smaller, then it can’t significantly affect the rate of wealth/institution building.

        • Giantstepp

          In theory, I can agree with that. But I question if we marry outside as much as it’s made to seem. Sure, there are some high profile blacks that have done so, but I believe that they are in the extreme minority. And if that proves to be true (I have no data), it wouldn’t effect the things you mention here. Basically I think IR marriages are exaggerated which means we have bigger problems for our lack of achievement.

    • cedriclathan
  • King Beauregard

    My real name starts with seventeen seconds of sustained flatulence. Bed wench y/n?

  • TheUnsungStoryteller

    I grew up thinking that Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings were in love with one another and that he cared for her.

    Well, that was a flat out lie.

    • MakesMeWannaShoopShoopShoop

      I am sure Strom Thurmond loved his mistress too. Romance book cover all that with Fabio as Strom

    • I once argued with a classmate in college who took the pro-love stance on the relationship that even if they were “In Love” the relationship was still improper and rapey because he LITERALLY OWNED her. I was like he could ship her off on a whim, turn a profit, and then have a snack in a the bat of his eye. I then mentioned that the only thing saving his wife from the same fate was her whiteness.

    • miss t-lee

      Yeah, they’ve tried to spin these slave master relationships as some kind of love story. Which is sick, because in actuality wasn’t no consenting goings on.

      • Charlito Brown

        I feel like I’ve seen that scenario portrayed more than once in Spanish-language series set in colonial/slavery times.

        • miss t-lee

          Hmmm. I believe it.

      • SororSalsa

        And even if there was eventual consent, it damn sure didn’t start out that way.

        • miss t-lee

          True.

          • Floridallewis


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            • fumiko roberts

              What does this ? have to do with the topic of the conversation?…wait, you’re white (sips tea)

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      • clarke 2.0

        So who is the “they’ve” your speaking of? Cause I hear that BS coming from a lot of Black women themselves.

        • miss t-lee

          Oh word? That’s interesting.
          The “they” I’m speaking of his history books, journalists, etc.

          • clarke 2.0

            That’s interesting to me that you would say that. To me it’s only since this “BIRACIAL” movement of the last, let’s say 20 years that it’s even been acknowledged. Before that we were all “colored folks” or n***era. To them there was no distinctions between us. We did not invent THE ONE DROP RULE.

            • miss t-lee

              Um…I think you’re taking this convo somewhere else.
              As far as I’m concerned, you can’t consent to having s*x with your owner, that’s a little thing called rape, my friend. The women had zero agency over their own bodies. Then, there’s stockholm syndrome, which is another can of worms.

              • clarke 2.0

                When you said “his history books”. They didn’t put us in “his history books”. That was my point.

                • miss t-lee

                  Ok.

            • Mary McGuirk

              i am old enough to remember when white women who dated a black man were socially ostracized by white men and women…a friend mentioned that she didn’t date a black friend because her mother warned her against it.

    • NotToday

      Your teacher must have been using the earlier version of this textbook that called slaves migrant workers. This is not an Onion article. This is a textbook published. In these here United States (Texas):
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/718c34384b1b80c3e7b55b19027d5f9a5f11e2461a73c1a29d44ea31f1975261.jpg

      • miss t-lee

        I live here, came up in the public school system. Since the state broad of education approved these books, they’re likely across the entire country in schools.
        Like my parents did with us…give your children, or children in your care the real story because the schools definitely will not. Even as a student 20 years ago they never delved deep into the slavery story.

        • Mary Burrell

          Well according to Dr. Ben Carson slaves were immigrants. So there’s that.

          • miss t-lee

            Don’t make me start cussing Miss Mary…lol

      • Brown Rose

        I’ve never seen that depiction before even when I was in high school. Wow. I guess those Africans were just *guest works*.

        • NotToday

          Here is the full view of that textbook page, which makes it even more enraging b/c the whole thing is under the heading “patterns of immigration” (planting that lie about illegals stealing jobs early):

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/428dce1bb9b9b23ac992087e8cfcdc6d93f8c0f22e4200119baabf76fa285479.jpg

          • Brown Rose

            Honestly in my fifth grade class the history teacher said hat what happened to Native Americans was worse. *shrugs*. Luckily I was reading Roots at the time. So I knew better.

            • Cheech

              In jr year of HS we read the middle passage excerpt of Roots, and the Autobiography of Frederick Douglass. And this was at a fairly crap public HS in Arizona, where history was taught by the track coach. Even so, it has stood in my mind as an example of the need for motivated teachers to be able to go off book, and not be confined by the preapproved curriculum.

              • Brown Rose

                Lucky. Never happened in my schooling. Very sanitized version which is why I loathed American history. What I learned about Black, Caribbean and African history I learned from my Dad’s respectable collection of African history books and when I was a little bit more sophisticated–my own research.

                • Cheech

                  I also studied Southern history in college, and realized this stuff is well known, but hardly propagated. It is there only if you bother to seek it out. The average white American does not, and is therefore woefully (often willfully) ignorant of what others are more motivated to learn.

                  I still am largely ignorant of Caribbean and south american history. I studied it only as far as it affected the US.

                  • Brown Rose

                    I didn’t learn about other American groups, Indians, Asians, other ethnic whites in any depth until I was in my early 20’s. American are incurious and anti-intellectual by geography and manifest destiny. Knowing less about others lessens empathy and a sociological imagination.

                    • Cheech

                      All true.

                    • lib1

                      This is very true. I’m black and lived in the South all my life. I was talking to a white friend of mine about lynching from 1880 until roughly 1950. He asked how many blacks were lynched. I told him the ttal number may never be known but somewhere between 5,000-8,000. He was stunned and never knew that despite being a Southern a slightly older than me.

                      Whites (most not all) live in the dark because it’s convenient. That way they can exercise being “colorblind”, denying their white privilege and scolding blacks for not “picking themselves up by the boot straps.”

                • Mary McGuirk

                  i learned firsthand in Panama City, FL in 1957…i saw colored water fountains (hot water, not cooled) colored restrooms without toilet paper, and colored schools that got the text books that the white schools had rejected…when my mother (raised in northern wisconsin and had rarely seen a black person) invited a black handyman into the house for pie and coffee after he finished work, he politely declined, since he knew better than to be in a house alone with a white woman…he had his pie on the back porch…and i was in second grade when the first NAVAJO student was allowed in the white school, because his father was in the military…the next year, the school opened on the air force base, and it was INTEGRATED…

                  despite that, it took me way way way too long to understand WHITE PRIVILEGE is always there, even for women (who should know better, since they have had their own type of prejudices to deal with) I am not denying that many white people have worked hard for what they got…but they didn’t work as hard as blacks had to work to get the same results.

              • Mary Burrell

                We had a subpar HS with the football coach as the history teacher and we took open book test. And the white football coach hated this part of his job and would say “I wish you guys mothers had taught you better manners.” He was red in the race all the time.

              • morphoeugenia

                I think I went to that school. I’m in AZ!

                • Cheech

                  Far east side of tucson?

                  • morphoeugenia

                    No, Phoenix – but how sad is it that there were at least two schools with coaches teaching classes they shouldn’t?

                    • Cheech

                      I think having the coaches teach social studies is the norm in public high schools (assuming there aren’t enough PE positions to cover them all). They’ve gotta teach something. Unless they’re qualified for math, science, or languages, social studies is where they’re stuck.

                      When I left my prior career I interviewed with teach for America, wanting to teach HS history or government. Of the hundreds of positions that year, I was told that the HS ones available were only math, science, foreign language, or one English/Drama position. I concluded on my own that the abundance of coaches and the need for them to teach something must account for the lack of need for social studies teachers.

                    • morphoeugenia

                      You know, you’re right – I never realized that is the norm for many public schools. We had a “Health” teacher too who was also a coach, and the curriculum was so incredibly random for that class.

            • Rizzo

              some of those native americans owned slaves.

          • Cheech

            Not to mention characterizing captivity and the middle passage as “immigration.”

          • orchid921

            I tutored a kid a couple of years ago and this was the textbook his class used. Please believe I set that child straight. :)

        • Gibbous

          Well, if they were “guest workers” then it gives creedence to “Go back to Africa.”

          • Brown Rose

            Ha!

      • Simms~

        Now I remember this story when it first appeared when the young man in school caught it and bought it to the attention of his mom, but seeing it again live and in color just enrages me afresh.

        • Mr. Mooggyy

          Mama bear was not having any of that either!

        • NotToday

          I mean, I knew history got re-written over time and all but daaamn

      • My daughter’s history teacher told the class that slavery was inconvenient to blacks… BIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH! My baby called her out, respectfully, and she got mad and emailed me…. I intellectually dragged that donkey!

        Sidebar- slavery gets a paragraph in history… Ain’t that rich?

        • cedriclathan

          I’d make my foot inconvenient to her azz.

          • Cheech

            Square toe ‘steada pointy toe, huh?

            • cedriclathan

              Wide azz, square, tight azz, pointy…

        • Janelle Doe

          *Oh to have had a chance read those email exchanges…

          • they’re from the 8th grade..let me see if I can dig them up

            • Janelle Doe

              Ty

          • AtarahJi

            haha..i had the same thought!

        • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

          That teacher should be ashamed. Slavery was a total war crime and an action that was an international criminal act of war against black humanity.

          • you can’t tell that to white folks.

          • La Bandita

            It was a Racial Holocaust.

            • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

              You’re completely right.

        • mrs.BAP
      • Cheech

        (And Texas, because of the size of its market, largely controls textbook content in US public schools.)

      • Mary Burrell

        That’s disgusting

      • cedriclathan

        WTevermotherfuckinFuck? No way!

        • Cheech

          Sadly, way.

      • cedriclathan

        WTF?

      • Charlito Brown

        Migrant workers. Smh?. Like they crossed a whole ocean in search of work. Yeah, sure. Work was scarce in West Africa. Working cotton, tobacco, and sugarcane fields from sunup to sundown, trip paid for. Oh yeah, they jumped right on that by the thousands.

      • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

        What a shame.

      • I_AmU

        SMDH. In Aug 2002 the governor of NJ signed into law The Amistad Act which requires school districts to incorporate Resilient history fully into its curriculum.
        http://www.njamistadcurriculum.net/about

      • abreweryofhops

        Texas, eh?
        I’m completely unsurprised.

      • J_JamesM

        Like Charles Pierce observes from time to time, the anthem of these awful people is the same as Stalin’s—Ni Shagu Nazad. Not One Step Backwards. They will press on, always. You can never stop resisting these efforts.

    • Mary Burrell

      She was 14 years when she became pregnant with his first child he was 44 years of age. I was on a thread this week that discussed this very subject. Even though it was socially acceptable to exploit young girls and women during slavery that still doesn’t make it right.

    • Addie Bryan

      They like to depict it as a disney love story, but when I found out how much older than Sally he was it made I was disgused!

    • Duff Soviet Union

      Watch whiteness work.

    • miss em

      what’s even more messed up to me about their story is that his wife had died, Sally was his wife’s half sister (same dad and mother was mulatto) and by all accounts strongly favored her sister. So in my mind, Jefferson was just forcing a relationship on a woman who looked like his dead wife because she was his property and he could. Ew. And even more messed up is he gave all of his children by her their freedom, but would never free her. Like the worst abusive relationship ever.

  • Marra

    I was wondering around on the weird side of YouTube a few months ago when I first heard the term. The black hole of horrified hate watching that followed was actually quite educational. I never knew there were people who hated themselves THAT much.

    • miss t-lee

      I’ve been there too. Madd educational, on folks to avoid like the plague.

    • *Kurt Angle voice* Oh, it’s true, it’s DAMN true!

  • Brown Rose

    I’ve seen Swirlers who romanticize slave relationships to a disgusting degree. I have seen them uncritically say the most awful things about Black men and why White men are so much better. Still, I think that they are hitting back hard because there is a strong level of misogyny in the Black community and Black men are often the worse when it comes to criticizing and demonizing Black women. After all, some of the most vocal Black guys, who talk about going back to Africa were often with women who were not Black.

    • miss t-lee

      I hate when the swirlers do it, just as much as I hate when these fauxteps do it.

      • Brown Rose

        The swirlers nauseate me more though. I expect Black men and other races to hate on Black women, but they fawn over White dudes. And it is so pathetic because its not reciprocal like say if it was an Asian or Latina woman. Some of those sites you have a bunch of Black women talking to each other. Where are their admirers. They even have tips on how to get with Asian men…and they loathe Black women even more so. Its so…weak and needy.

        • miss t-lee

          It’s all so bizarre to me. I’ve ran across a few of the youtube channels and it’s so strange.
          It’s just like the IG pages of folks enamored with mixed children.

          • Brown Rose

            The youtube was how I brushed up against Sotaymer content (thanks BK). Its so damn weird and creepy. Because there are no real men there. Just other desperately desiring Black women wanting that non-Black man. It just embarrassing, Wishing for someone who don’t want you. No damn pride.

            • miss t-lee

              Seriously. I’m like seek help.

          • cakes_and_pies

            It borders on fetishizing versus being enamored. This isht creeps me out.

            • miss t-lee

              True.
              Creepy, indeed.

            • Thank you for saying that. I shouldn’t be able to readily remix an article on Black women dating White men into Queen of Spades pr0n. LOL

              • cakes_and_pies

                Boy….

                • Did I lie though? Like if I knew a White guy that I was cool with, and he was dating a Black woman talking like that, I’d have to sit him down and give him some real rap. Now if it was someone I hate…WOOO!

                  • cakes_and_pies

                    No lie was told. At.All.

        • BM, President of Fuckery

          I wonder what the crossover between swirlers and biracial folks who keep screaming about how they’re biracial is.

          • Brown Rose

            Probably pretty high. I get some of their intent about liking yourself and go where you are loved–but what makes them think its with White dudes who rarely pick Black women.

        • Coco

          I hate those groups. “Black women and Asian men” but the group is full of only black women lusting after Asian men and blasian babies. So pathetic and embarrassing.

          • Furious Styles

            This was always a thing. My dark-skinned aunt made it a point to make sure my cousins would be born light-skinned. Only difference now is that the internet lets them form communities and mass produce/ franchise their insanity.

            • Michelle

              This is why there are so many IRR couples making YouTube channels now. They are hoping to use people’s insecurities, in hopes of cashing in. And no one can tell me otherwise, because there are some couples that have YouTube channels and they’re so fudgin’ boring/unattractive/fake-appearing.

              • cedriclathan

                I had friends in high school, both male, one Chinese, one black. At some point the black friend married a white woman and the Chinese guy was dating one. Over time, I noticed that their gatherings tended more towards interracial couples. We were sometimes the only fixed race couple in the room.

                • Kas

                  Similar to parents with kids hanging with parents that have kids.

          • Brown Rose

            Its awful. You wanna bet that if it was a Asian or Latina that group would have been full of guys. Youtube is the worse for that. Sad sack Black women and racist trolls laughing at them.

            • Coco

              That’s right. It’s truly sad, I could understand if it was a bunch teenagers going a thru a phase but these are grown a$$ women.

        • Michelle

          Based off of my personal interactions with “swirlers”, I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of them have never interacted with white men on a personal level, outside of work/some other business-related function. Most ‘swirlers’ (that I know) are the female equivalent to their ashy, socially-inept, Black male counterparts, who rely on fantasy to form their ‘real life’ opinions about white men/non-Black MOC.
          I remember taking a few self-proclaimed swirlers to a party that held predominantly white guests (a white co-worker invited me). Dem heffas spent the whole time becoming a part of the furniture. They stayed holed-up in a cotd*mned corner, just looking around with wide eyes. They behaved in the complete opposite manner than their “online personas”.
          The proud, staunch “swirlers” that I personally know are relying on that organ that’s located in between their eyes and inside of their skulls, when it comes to their perceptions of white men. They rely on their imaginations and the media’s portrayal of white men to help mold their perceptions of white men. As someone who comes from a multi-racial family,I can say with a straight face that white men ain’t sh*t. And I mean this in the way of saying that they’re human, just you and me and other people. Whenever I hear a swirler talk about white men, I just look at them and just think “You’ve never hung out with white people, huh?”

          • We’ve talked about this before with Black men, and I’m sorry to hear that you’ve dealt with their distaff equivalent. Very well stated.

            • Michelle

              I think the same thoughts, when I would read comments from off of different forums. They way these women speak about relationships with white men… All I could say was “Pray that they won’t be meet a snake oil salesman of a man”.

          • Brown Rose

            Oh man…that is pathetic…but what you say rings true on what I’ve read. You are right how they glamorize White men to such a stunning degree. They love to pull out that stat that White men/ Black women marriages are the strongest. What they fail to report is how rare they are. Black women are the least picked in IRR marriages of any race with White and Asian being the rarest of all.

            And you are right. I have been around White people all my life. There is nothing special about them at all. In fact I am often shocked how boring and ordinary they truly are. No magical white people to be found.

            The other thing I noticed is how much they love to pit Black Americans against Caribbean and Africans. They love to say how much more sophisticated, better looking, healthier, more demure, more educated and just all around superior to Black Americans and why White men just love them. *shakes head*. My mother is Jamaican and Cuban. My dads folks come from St Kitts. Caribbean are no worse than Black Americans.

            • Michelle

              I know exactly what you’re talking about. I had an acquaintance, who was like this. Her family hailed from St. Vincent and she did portray herself with that stereotype of being a ‘bougie, elitist Caribbean’. She did marry her white knight… Who, in turn, cheated on her with a Black-American woman and gave that woman a baby.

              • Brown Rose

                I have a similar anecdote. Very rich and Bougie Haitian ended up with a rich white dude. He cheated on her badly with a very ordinary Black American woman.

                • Michelle

                  I have one at my job, who is perplexed as to why I am able to hang out with a few cute, doctors that work with us. I know what she is implying, but I refuse to engage.

                  • Brown Rose

                    *solidarity fist*.

            • Oh, I love when White people try to pull that on me. Being both West Indian and American, I can shut that down REAL quick.

            • Ms.Moon

              Caribbean people are thought of as “different” because we aren’t like “those” people because many of the early immigrants were well educated people. My grandmother was a nurse and I know that many white folks saw her as “better” because she was educated, plus there aren’t as many tensions between us and them because we’re not coming with the same kind of baggage. The white people in Trinidad don’t live where we live, the ones who visit are tourists, or related to people and are usually European.

            • D A

              Hey I’m from St. Kitts! It’s always nice to ‘meet’ someone from home even online.

          • cedriclathan

            Excuse my ignorance, but, what is a “swirler”?

            • Michelle

              “Swirlers” is supposed to be a cutesy-wutesy way of saying that they actively participate in interracial dating. It is mostly used to describe interracial relationships between black women and white men. The term is derived from the well-known ice cream treat.

              • Cheech

                Jinx

              • cedriclathan

                Ahh. Thanks.

            • Cheech

              (Interracial dater. Like soft-serve)

              • cedriclathan

                Got it, thanks. Wasn’t sure if it was race, gender, orientation, or what.

                • Janelle Doe

                  Give it time and it might be
                  “Everything is everything”…

          • La Bandita

            As someone who has wyte girlfriends and know their boyfriends and husbands. I agree wyte men are worste then the lowest bm. You know why, because whatever guy has done KNOW he’s done about 5 times before he got caught IF he even was caught.

        • Janelle Doe

          Reading this reminded me of that one episode of Chewing Gum
          Lawd ?
          *check it out if you have not seen it

    • If I were king of the universe, I’d contrive to have conventions of these women share hotels and convention centers with conventions of hoteps, then place hidden cameras and microphones all over the place. It would cost a grip, but the entertainment gold would cover my expenses and make me a tidy profit. There’s so much misplaced and misdirected anger and hate among these sets.

      • cysinblack

        These niqqas want to punish their women in their war against white supremacy and femininity. Because without femininity how would men and boys ever become effeminate. (points finger to temple) Think!

      • Brown Rose

        Its such an odd universe, they are both parallel each other and basically hate Black people. I will fight Black men who will denigrate Black women and vice versa, but in the end we are all Black and non-Black do not differneate us. They despise us on principle.

        So what do they actually win? A pass to white/non-Black gold status?

        • Honestly? An outlet for their pain in their close personal relationships. Instead of having to do the hard work of dealing with their close relationships, they get to displace all of that energy and not have to think about it. It’s not healthy, but I understand the temptation. After all, it allows them to be held blameless.

    • Freebird

      Your comment holds wack black people responsible regardless of gender. Great comment.

    • Coco

      Right! People out there really doing “race play” in the bedroom. So disgusting. Even childish gambino, sang about kumin so hard after someone called him ni99er in bed and tweeted about loving racist white women. His old art was based on insuring BW and worshiping WW. He even had to delete his old twitter because it was so anti black (women) but black women love him so much.

      • Brown Rose

        Man thank God I never heard about this guy. Disgusting.

        • Coco

          He’s the creator of the tv show Atlanta, Donald glover, his music stage name is childish gambino.

      • cedriclathan

        When you find out that an artist has done something stupid and or disgraceful, do you ever find it hard to appreciate their art again? I mean, Atlanta was one of my favorite shows but after hearing that siht, man….

        • Coco

          Nope, I’m done. Why give my money to someone who hates me? It probably won’t make a difference to him but it does to me. And the fact he’s now playing the typical “pro black” dude who just happened fell in love with a white girl as if he didn’t build his early career on hating BW; no thanks.

          • cedriclathan

            I’m torn. I’m sure before social media was so prevalent in our lives, much of this information was never divulged.

            • Coco

              Social media is usually the devil but in this case I’m glad it’s exists. I’d rather know what type of person he is, than ending up 30 years like Bill Cosby fans, holding on to a fictional character because the real person is too f**ked up!

              • cedriclathan

                Point taken…

            • esa

              before social media you had to dig it up yourself; now it just lands at your front door.

        • Cheech

          Yeah, I do. And it’s deeply inconsistent, depending on how big the art was to me at the time, and often how old I was at the time.

          I still think lethal weapon is the best Christmas movie ever.

  • BJenks

    Wow! I didn’t realize people actually used this term like that. Was just at BlerDCon the other week and sat in on a panel for Black Girl Gamers and they mentioned how folks online would call them that. There is something very wrong with people.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      How was Blerdcon? My Dhalsim suit was at the cleaners

      • BM, President of Fuckery

        No wonder you’re so cheap. #Zangiefplayer

      • BJenks

        It was mad dope. Was a beautiful sight seeing so many of us comfortable nerding out.

    • I’ve seen it on the ashier corners of Twitter. It is a reliable sign that things have officially went left in a discussion of Black women.

  • I don’t get the rise of this term either. Some are just flat out misogynists. Some are really mad at other women who did them dirty, but instead of saying what they really mean which only comes out after a drink or 12, they go after random women in the media or who they barely know.

    Personally, why even make stuff up to go after Black women? Why not just stand on your own two feet with misogyny? Also, is it just me, or did I see the WaPo article about the Negro Bed Wench on another site before.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Used to be just NB’s. Guess that er is too hard for avowed race traitors

    • Alessandro De Medici

      There’s been a battle between the “black nationalist” and “black feminist” since the breakup in the 1970’s. Black Feminism interpreted the breakup as resulting from the desire for many of the black nationalists to maintain the patriarchy; black nationalists interpreted the breakup as black feminist working with white women to undermine the black community.

      40+ years later…

      https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder448/64215448.jpg

      ***I used to have a blast watching old clips of 80’s and 90’s talk shows where the black feminists and black nationalists fight it out like they do in social media today. Disappointingly, this is just the same old story playing out.

      • Well said. I didn’t think of it as having roots in that, but it makes a certain amount of sense.

        • Alessandro De Medici

          Yeah, if you watch a lot of the media from the past; one of the things you realize is that the themes are exactly the same. Personally, I think it’s rooted in the problem I’ve always had with the black power movement and the idea of isolation based on power seeking alone to be self-defeating and segmentary. I view the division between black nationalists and black feminists to be the result of that thinking unfortunately.

          • A lot of it was also a desire to deal with the post colonial world on its own terms, instead of through the existing state that they distrusted for obvious reasons. I get where you’re coming from, but the isolationist rhetoric didn’t emerge in a vacuum. There was a hope that the post colonial states could serve as a check on the American government.

            • Alessandro De Medici

              I get it. I just don’t think just because you’re a victim or have the cause of justice on your hand, that that means you have a correct solution to a problem, especially a political or social one (History shows that good and evil people produce good and bad solutions to political problems and that there is no guarantee one leads to the other). I think we get caught up defending people who came up with bad solutions to problems that we deal with, because we don’t want to accept that even when we’re on the right side, we can still be wrong.

  • White folks are really delusional about how bad slavery was.

    • Val

      They know. It’s in their best interest to play dumb.

      • I think a lot of Black people are drinking the Koolaid too.

        • Wizznilliam

          Because they know that in the unlikely event that black folks really did get some reparations then the money is coming from somewhere. Rich black people don’t want to pay taxes either. Nevermind that even if the number is VERY large it would be at most a rounding error to the defense budget.

    • Brown Rose

      What? it wasn’t a slap and tickle love fest? Those branding irons and whips were just love taps.

    • NotToday

      Because it was soooo long ago and none of us were slaves so why can’t we get over it??

      Did I miss anything?

      • miss t-lee

        But no one ever wants us to forget about the Holocaust and other atrocities that befell them.

      • Yay Radley

        Yes. ” None of **MY** family owned slaves, we were poor! We were farmers!” blah, blah, blah.

        • Mary Burrell

          And don’t forget “Africans sold other Africans deflection.

          • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            I heard of that argument before too. The truth is that Africans never created the Maafa, the large transatlantic ships carrying kidnapped people into the Americas, and never invented the economic systems internationally used to exploit the lives of human beings.

            • Mary Burrell

              You did get the email i sent you telling you i was read that book about the The Black Holocaust by S.E. Anderson? That is such a good book.

              • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                I haven’t read the book yet Sister Mary Burrell. Yes, I have gotten your email. Just now, I saw the preview on Amazon. It’s a very interesting book that talks about an important, personal issue for us all. Never Forget is an eternal lesson for us to embrace. The ancestors sacrificed so much and we always honor their memories.

              • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                Thank you for showing the email.

        • Charlito Brown

          Like, maaaan please! They probably would’ve had slaves if they had a little more money.

          • Yay Radley

            Eggzactly. And the poor ones are the worst ones. They jump at the chance to feel superior, and are willing to commit and support the most heinous offences so long as they get to keep that feeling.

            • Charlito Brown

              Word. Crack and heroin ain’t got nothing on white supremacy. Bacon’s Rebellion changed the game forever.

              Back to the point though. That “my family didn’t own slaves” argument means nothing for a few reasons: 1) Just because there actually may not have been slave owners in your family doesn’t mean there weren’t any overseers or drivers. The latter were hired hands aspiring to own slaves and surely worked hard keeping slaves in line to impress their employers. 2) Non-slave-owning whites, in the South especially, generally identified with and defended slavery. It was after all a racialized institution, so even poor whites would identify with rich whites before they would with blacks enslaved or free. And though many resented rich slaveholding whites, I’m sure they probably had the same lottery mentality poor whites have today that they were one prayer away from being in their position lol. And also they could offload their shortcomings and inadequacies onto some poor, wretched brown people. Nothing new under the sun.

              • AOM

                Another reason that argument means nothing: Many American black people have family who DID own slaves. Because, surprise, they have ancestors who were the product of slave rape. Does that change a gatdamb thing? No. They’re still black and you, Mr. My Family Didn’t Own Slaves, are still full of white supremacy.

      • Mary Burrell

        “There have been slaves all through out the history of mankind. The Irish were slaves. (rolling eyes)

    • Diego Duarte

      The fact that they constantly compare it with indentured servitude would be laughable if it weren’t horribly inaccurate.

      Even during the times of the Roman Empire slavery wasn’t as bad. And I say this having read the Justinian Code.

      • Brown Rose

        Oh yeah…the indentured servants argument. Ugh.

    • miss t-lee

      Man, you said a word.

    • Rewind4ThatBehind

      They’re just holding out for the alien overlords to come so they can finally shift blame to another group and have a sigh of relief.

      But that’s never going to happen, because we will still blame them for the aliens.

      • La Bandita

        Sometimes I blame them for breathing.

        • Rewind4ThatBehind

          It is fun to do.

    • Deeds

      Probably because they are taught a sanitized version of slavery in school.

    • La Bandita

      I said that up thread, but some Blacks are too. If you read the truth – you’d never, ever, ever look at wyte people the same.

    • Delusional or obtuse? Nope… white folks act like they don’t understand the severity and brutality but their ayuses wouldn’t t EVER trade places… That’s a telltale sign that folks are playing dumb.

      • Brown Rose

        Ooooh. Good Point. Chris Rock said the same thing. No one really would want to trade with a Black person, no matter how rich or successful. Many more Blacks would trade with an ordinary white person.

    • Yay Radley

      No, they aren’t. They are just self-centered and entitled enough to be annoyed that we won’t let them forget.

    • esa

      to be honest about their history, they’d have to come clean about their ancestors, their so-called education, the entire system that allows them to be “color-blind,” basically all the lies they’ve been fed since day one about the Calvinist work ethic that suggests they made it on humble Christianity and hard work alone.

      the family tree is rotten to the root, and their legacy is the inheritance of the psychopathology that has defined this country since day one. that most choose denial and avoidance is a testament to their lack of character and the truth of their soul.

      • Transbutter

        THIS

  • Rewind4ThatBehind

    More and more, the truth just needs to be accepted.

    A lot of folks hate Black women. Whether they admit it out loud, keep it to themselves, make snide comments online, read books on how women are supposed to act, write books on how women are supposed to act, draw pictures that make Black women look horrendous, critically comment any Black woman doing anything that makes Black women look better than everybody else at, etc…..it’s all there. Daily. In words for historical context..

    AND YET……there’s always a couple of million people who simply state: Nobody hates Black women.

    Mmk.

    • First of all, ANYONE can get hated on for some BS. Life has taught me that even the most beloved people have tons of haters, even if they’re straight White Christian Mayflower Descendants. Two, there are plenty of people mad at Black women for a whole host of reasons. Never underestimate how dumb people can get.

      • Rewind4ThatBehind

        But the best part is the stupidity only grows, not decreases, despite how much further Black women push forward.

        • LMNOP

          Like how Black women are the most highly educated demographic in this country, and the most poorly paid.

    • cysinblack

      Anti-blackness is as rampant as misogyny and sexism. So it’s easy to conclude black women are the most hated.

    • Diego Duarte

      I’ll admit that this is my perspective and take on the matter, but Black women are shat upon by almost everyone because:

      (i) They’re Black and thus were treated as inferior and unattractive, in comparison to White women; which sort of follows to

      (ii) Since they haven’t been depicted as attractive by Western society they have never been afforded the same privileges and commoditties that were afforded to White women;

      (iii) Meaning they have been treated not only as subhuman but as a subhuman WITHOUT the privileges afforded to women of other ethnicities, which has left them to fend for themselves for far longer than any other women out there;

      (iv) This led to Black women being more likely to be outspoken, frank and independent, three traits not associated with Western feminity which are often miscontrued as “being loud and b*tchy” by Western men;

      (v) Since Black women don’t conform to the Western ideal of feminity they’re looked down upon. Something which is ironic considering it was Western culture that deliberately excluded them from such a concept anyway;

      (vi) After all of this it really comes off as no surprise Black women represent the highest percentage of entrepreneurs and young professionals, considering they’ve been trying to survive and adapt into this toxic environment for centuries.

      All of the aforementioned is the exact opposite of a toxic fucking culture that preaches that the ideal woman is light skinned, subservient to her husband and timid.

      • Brown Rose

        And often blonde….but yup…good summation Counselor. Very good.

      • Joelle

        I loved this so much, I saved it.

      • Aria Whitaker

        Perfect.

    • La Bandita

      This is the sad true that I learned and White supremacy really helps push it hard and main stream.

  • Diego Duarte

    “What the fuck is wrong with these people?”

    I think we should get started on a list, so we can keep track:

    1) They are misogynists, hence they think (like Jefferson) that Black women are THEIR property and thus them dating anyone other than them is nothing short of betrayal.

    2) They are paranoid, because to think that menstruation is an outright lie and fabrication of Europeans to control Black women is just plain beyond ignorant.

    3) They are delusional, in the sense that they believe they are in possession of inherent traits and qualities which should place them at the top of the food chain. Fam if your azz truly belonged to the top of the food chain you wouldn’t need to sell outrageous lies on youtube to keep yourself afloat.

    4) They are willfully ignorant, which is exhibited by the way they reject science and reason, which directly contradict any and every bit of the nonsense they preach.

    5) They are narcissistic, which kind of hinges on (3), but it should be stated nonetheless because if you somehow see your ashy self as a savior of your race, whilst you try to sell the Black equivalent to L. Ron Hubbard’s scientology, then you need to take a time out and stop staring adoringly into the mirror.

    Feel free to contribute.

    • Duff Soviet Union

      The guy who, to my knowledge, coined the term is textbook narcissistic personality disorder. That’s an armchair diagnosis, but a pretty obvious one. So, yes to point 5.

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