Why It’s True That Men Need To Love “Harder” Than Women

One of my homegirls (“Angie”) divorced her husband a little over a year ago. After going through the perfunctory post-breakup reflection and mourning period, she started dating again. She’s shared a few of her dating tales, and between the grandmomma’s boys, 40 year old aspiring rap producers, and men who send her texts spelling touche “tu shea”, it wouldn’t be hyperbole to say that her dating life mirrors the first 35 minutes of every movie Gabrielle Union’s ever been in.

While this perpetual comedy of errored men hasn’t made Angie jaded or discouraged, it has changed her entire relationship outlook. Where she might have been a bit to too pressed to please and impress before, her trials and tribulations have made her a bit more pragmatic about the dating game. During a conversation yesterday, I asked what accounted for this (refreshingly) sober outlook, and she replied:

“If my failed marriage has taught me anything, it’s that the next serious relationship I get in will have to be with a man who loves me much more than I love him. I think all women should adapt that policy, actually. We’d all be much better for it. “

As you probably imagined, this statement stopped me in my tracks. While the whole “for the best relationships, a man should love his wife a bit more than she loves him” sentiment isn’t new (I’m sure half of the women reading this have heard some variant of this from their grandmothers) I’ve always considered it to be stupid, short-sighted, and, well dangerous, and I was surprised that someone as smart as Angie would say that.

I understand that relationships will never be 50/50. One party will always be a tad bit more committed to the relationship than the other (And whoever happens to be the least committed also usually holds the most power…but that’s another topic for another day), but hearing a woman actually say that any man she’s serious about needs to love her more than she loves him is a man’s worst nightmare; a confirmation that, beneath all the sugar and spice, women are inherently selfish, superficial, and full of shit.

But then I put my $9.99 worth of man pride aside and thought about it.

I considered the fact that, because men tend to be socialized to “conquer” while women tend to be socialized to commit, it takes a bit more for a man to entertain the idea of a long-term monogamous relationship than it usually does for a women. (and “it takes a bit more” = “he probably needs to be completely head over heels”)

I remembered that between pregnancy, (relatively) tiny reproductive windows, and the fact that sex is a much more potentially dangerous act for a woman than a man, it does kind of make sense for a woman to be completely sure that any man she chooses to lay with is completely gaga over her.

I even recalled “The Close Bus Syndrome” and “Sadie’s Shady” — two blogs I’ve written that were eventually fleshed out into full chapters in “Your Degrees Won’t Keep You Warm At Night.” Why do these blogs matter? Well, in “Sadie’s Shady” I explain that one of the main reasons why women shouldn’t pursue men is that (generally speaking) women don’t grow on men the same way men can grow on women. Basically, if a guy was really into a woman, he would have done whatever he could to pursue her first. If he hasn’t done that, he’s probably lukewarm, and if a man is lukewarm about a women he’s dating, she’s very likely to get “Close-Bused.”

Eh. It pains me to admit this, but I think Angie might have been right.

Do you?

—The Champ

If you haven’t purchased the paperback or the $9.99 Kindle version of “Your Degrees Wont Keep You Warm at Night: The Very Smart Brothas Guide to Dating, Mating, and Fighting Crime” yet, what the hell is stopping you? (No, seriously. Tell us and we’ll send Chuck Norris or Liz to fix it)

  • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

    I’m an idealist, a VSV and a tenderoni…I don’t think anything I have to say on this could possibly be valid.

    *takes out folding chair and notepad for the day*

    • http://thatdamnafrican.wordpress.com/ That Damn African

      But being able to share your opinion on all kinds of matters regardless of your experiences or validity is exactly what the internet was made for.

      …that and pr0n.

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        I’ve been on 3 dates in my life; all terrible. I’ve made it to 3rd base once (or the guy did, however that works) and I have a shelf full of Disney movies and classic romantic comedy musicals. I don’t know how any of that equates to knowing anything about this. I was taught to be a quiet fool and try to learn something in a room of knowledgable folks.

        …and out of those two things, I think pr0n is more productive.

        • Mo-VSS

          Step one…throw out the notion that Disney is real life. Many things you THINK you won’t do in a relationship, will change. That’s not a bad idea. Like life, love evolves.

          Step two…take your ideal man, and pick ONLY the things that you couldn’t function without and make those priorities. Other things become bonuses. It’s not settling, it’s reality.

          Step three…keep folks out of your business. Women are natural haters and if you have great friends, cool. But, inevitabily we all have that ONE friend who is always gonna find something wrong with what your man is doing. Newsflash, no other woman should be telling, advising or persuading you to do anything in YOUR relationship…especially if said woman is single.

          Step four…have fun dating. Don’t interview men for the “long haul” on the first date. Seek out common interests and things to connect over. The DTR (determine the relationship) convo will flow naturallay out of that rapport given your involvement with him over time.

          Hope that helps :)

          • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

            *takes copious notes*

            See Mo, that’s why I loves you so. :)

            • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

              But can I keep my Disney movies doe? o_o they part of my childhood. You tellin me to just give my childhood away? lol

              • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                :)

            • Mo-VSS

              <3 :)

          • DQ

            Gold Star for MO-VSS

            • Mo-VSS

              Thanks! :)

          • Tentpole

            How long before your book is on Amazon?

            • Mo-VSS

              Working on it!

          • http://shesoflyy.wordpress.com Muze

            this is great advice. *thumbs up*

            …and Tes, i have a shelf full of disney movies too. as long as you don’t use them as ‘guidelines for life and Love’… yay disney. lol. i also have mighty ducks, the little rascals, and teenaged mutant ninja turtles on dvd. don’t tell anyone though. lol

            • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

              :D Secret’s safe with me Muze. lol

          • Caballeroso

            @ Mo-VSS:
            I’m officially adopting you as my future kids’ cyber-auntie (I guess that makes you my cyber sister). If I ever have kids, you can advise them anytime. BTW, why do you look the same on NONE of your Avi’s?

            • Mo-VSS

              Thanks…I have a real cousin on here (sometimes…well let me clarify, she’s always my cousin, but sometimes on the site and commenting) and I’ve always wanted a brother. Great addition Cab! LOL

              And since I’m not photogenic, I never look the same in my avi’s cuz I just don’t…and my hair is always different. But, in real life, I look most like my last avi. (well, now that my hair is braided)

          • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

            Mo, are you on twitter?? I’ve seen that avi on twitter before. Oh and cosign all dat there…as usual. :)

            • Mo-VSS

              GIrl yes I’m on twitter. I’m thnkngmansdiva on twitter and you follow me. LOL

          • Qozmic

            that’s some DAMN good advice.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “I’ve been on 3 dates in my life; all terrible.”

          all terrible?

          (and, since i never was exactly clear on this, what exactly is “3rd base?”)

          • Scipio Africanus

            3rd base = her bra is off, there may be some mutual manual genital stroking to east *and* to the west.

            • http://lizburr.com Liz

              I thought that was second base?

              Man, my bases are off. Carry on…

              • Deviant

                Somebody put their third base a little closer to home?

              • Scipio Africanus

                2nd base is free touching, but clothes are still on. 1st base is just kissing, but being mindful of hands.

                • http://lizburr.com Liz

                  Hmm. See I didn’t dedicate a whole base to just free touching. Well, okay the touching did include under the clothing. I generally split your third base into two bases, 2nd and 3rd.

                • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

                  D@mn, I must be a freak cause your 3rd base is my 1st base. smh

                  • Scipio Africanus

                    ^^^ always thought it was based on Crickett ^^^

                  • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                    “D@mn, I must be a freak cause your 3rd base is my 1st base. smh”

                    is home a DP?

                    • http://lizburr.com Liz

                      what is a DP?

                    • niksmit

                      Why can I not reply to Liz and tell her what a DP is? Did someone do it already and Liz froze the thread to keep it PG-13? Well the D stands for double . . .

                    • http://lizburr.com Liz

                      @niksmit you can’t reply to me cuz we have exceeded the number of thread branches (10).

                      but OHHH @ your explanation. and Ew too. Wait! At the same time?

                    • Yeah…So

                      Wait… what’s the P?

                    • http://panamaenrique.wordpress.com Malik

                      Double penetration.

                  • miss t-lee

                    Okay?! *snickers*

              • Tentpole

                In softball it is

                • http://lizburr.com Liz

                  *snort*

              • GirlSixx

                Me too. O__o

                damn what does that say about me? *giggle&

          • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

            Every single one of them. From having to babysit while on a date, to having my mother and her date “accidentally” show up, to paying 40 dollars to his 8 dollars on a date, all of them have been failures. I’m keeping hope alive though :)

            And Scipio is right about the bases :)

            • Tx10inch

              Tes, you seem like a very sweet girl. And not bad on the eyes from your avi. (No pandering…just honest observation) Why tha all tha bad luck w/dudes? *Big worm voice* I don’t think you applyin yo self Smokie!

              • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                Thank you for the compliments Tex :)

                I think my bad luck comes from wanting to go slowly and wanting the man to be better for himself. I always seem to be uplifting those I’m in these really short relationships with while they don’t do the same for me or for themselves. Plus, I think that people my age don’t take time to get to know each other before they fall in love; they go on one date, and three days later they’re in love and changing their facebook status. I work differently; I like to get to know the guy beyond what he presents to be and I don’t think guys my age have the patience it would take for me, especially given my VSV status and the fact I’m not trying to hail mary that to some dude who may not be worth it in the end.

                You know what? After that whole schpiel, I have no idea what my problem is. lmao

            • Yoles

              Tes

              i would like to hear these 3 date stories flushed out… believe me.. we have all had horrible dates.. horrible.. VSB should do a post on that…

              • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                Well…

                1) We were at the movies. Transformers I think. Me and him are technically “family friends” and guilty pleasures to one another so we figure “why not?” So we’re cuddling, laughing and watching the movie right? His little cousins show up at the movie with us and sit in the same aisle, throwing popcorn and talking loudly. He and I both had to sit between the four of them to make them behave.

                2) My mom and her dude sat right behind me and another date at the movies, with her dude saying that he was making sure nothing “happened” and giving the poor boy the evil eye.

                3) He said he was taking me out, but I had to drive there. Pulled up to the three dollar movie, where he paid for both tickets. He then said I could have any snack I wanted and I noticed none of those prices exceeded $10 either. During the date he would pull me closer or try to kiss me (he was a horrible kisser). Afterwards we went to the arcade next door and I bought all the tokens. After that we went to Golden Corral where I paid. He spent the rest of the date until his ride showed up trying to feel me up.

                Horrible. Horrible dates lmao.

                • YouMiss

                  Wow… Movies are not your friend.

                  • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                    Not at all. I’m kind of immediately turned off now when a guy says he wants to take me to the movies. It’s like a reverse Pavlovian response.

                    • Yoles

                      i am vehemently opposed to the movies as a first date option… there is no face-to-face closeness or talk time…

                      your first date didn’t sound that bad.. something to look back on and laugh at later with him maybe…

                      second date- yea your mom and her boo played you… next time keep it mum where you’re going

                      third date- where is miss-t-lee with a throat chop when you need it… oh well he deserved a serious roundhouse kick or something..

                      it will get better… i have some terrible dates i can share

                      1- the minister that took me out on a good date but ended it with “so are you gonna suck daddy’s dyck or what”?

                      2- dominican guy who picked me up for sunday brunch, spent half the car ride speaking in spanish on the phone to his baby mother telling her that he was at work and he can’t wait to get home and give her some good picho

                      3- accountant who took me rock climbing (it was fun) and i feel asleep on the car ride “home” when i woke up we were in the parking lot to a short stay motel. he said he just wanted us to go somewhere quiet so we can talk. he also had a cooler of beer & liquor in his trunk. he also refused to take me home when i said no thx.. i had to call a cab

                    • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                      O_O…I’m…a minister?! Really doe? Oh, Yoles lmao

                      I think all that just made me glad mine are only minor on the horrible scale. And please tell me you seriously throat chopped dude in the car. That was just so disrespectful…

                    • Mo-VSS

                      Yoles…those are TERRIBLE dates.

                      I’ve had some bad ones, but those do take the cake.

                    • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                      I don’t know whether to feel better or worse after hearing those. On one hand, mine weren’t tha bad, but on the other, there could be some of those in my future lmao

                      Please tell me you told these men all the way off upon your exit, stage right?

                    • Yoles

                      Tes

                      Tes
                      i’m hoping that they have some bad dates come back around to them… i don’t know what it is about me… maybe it’s the big girl thing and they think i’m gonna be desperate; i’ve been told i have an easy going receptive face, so maybe these dudes feel they have nothing to lose and lastly i have been told i have “slut” eyes- i’m not sure how i am supposed to take that one but why what can i do about it…

                      the minister never called me again…

                      the dominican got cursed out in spanish… english last name fools these tontos every time

                      accountant who i knew from someone that knew his family… the story made it back to his mother i heard she was appalled and ashamed. oh i would have loved to see his face when she told him she heard about it

        • http://thatdamnafrican.wordpress.com/ That Damn African

          You can give your opinion without claiming that you know everything about a certain topic. Knowledgable folks give dumb advice all the time lol. There are many posts that I observe from a distance just to hear other people’s opinion and insight, so I’m not knocking that. Just didn’t want you to keep your opinion from the discussion just because you thought it isn’t worthy to be heard read.

      • Starita34
        • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

          Your pics give me life! LMAO

    • naturalista88

      *Sits next to Tes w/notebook*
      I too am a young buck w/nothing to add, so I’mma just watch & learn (hopefully).

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

      I am none of these things but I would still like to take notes right beside you for this particular post.

      (sharpens a couple of #2s and gets my spiral notebook out of my Garfield Trapper Keeper)

    • Andi

      Hi Tes,

      I too am a VSB tenderoni and VSV. Can I be your vice president? :)

      To the topic at hand: I think Angie is right. And while it’s a tad cynical and a little sad, I see it this way – women fall in love so much easier than men. Not that we’re throwing our hearts to anyone who will catch them, but we can be wooed, we can be (emotionally) seduced. Chemistry can develop for us. It def doesn’t always happen, but I’d say it happens more often than it does with men. So in the scenario where the man loves the woman more, I think the woman has the capacity to grow to love the man just as much. Vice versa, I don’t think so…

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        Andi,

        You gotta slip your way in there like the k in knife, silently and like a g though not the G in lasaGna cause that ain’t gangsta enough . You want it, you own it!

      • http://www.thelowerfrequency.com TheMostInterestingManInTheWorld

        I think we just need to throw out “love” as we know it and redefine the word. Love, the way we talk about it, is this completely arbitrary gut feeling. I’ve felt that for women I’ve spent a great deal of time with, and I’ve felt that for women I’ve spent little time with. That feeling should have very little to do with why you choose to marry someone and will be of little help in making the marriage last. Who loves who more, to me, is irrelevant. When I think about how my wife and I have made it this far, I’d say our feelings toward each other have always been pretty synchronized. We just grew together, I guess you can call it love, but, it’s really so much more than that little feeling. Love, and the amount of stock we put into when talking about marriage, is a little annoying for me.

        Sorry for the rant.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “I think we just need to throw out “love” as we know it and redefine the word. Love, the way we talk about it, is this completely arbitrary gut feeling. ”

          so love is like bad Thai food?

          • http://www.thelowerfrequency.com TheMostInterestingManInTheWorld

            Or good Thai food. Has about the same effect on whether the marriage lasts as both.

          • http://pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

            Ya know, Champ… one day Thai food will win your heart just yet!

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              and, one day, scientists will devise a Cadillac made out of rechargeable bacon .either way, I won’t hold my breath

              • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

                *as you and Lady Champ have Thai food at your wedding*

                Bacon deez.

          • Yeah…So

            bad Thai food?
            Didn’t know this existed. Interesting.

        • http://panamaenrique.wordpress.com Malik

          This guy. Always insightful.

        • Scipio Africanus

          That conceptualization of “love” is what you get in relatively rich, technologically advanced, free and open society. That gut feeling is all that’s left to bind people together – not the threat of rival tribes, or famine, or religion, or needing children to help you work the fields, or a man to help you survive.

          Short of the Chinese surprise attacking us by nuking all of California and throwing the world system back into the Middle Ages (plus, presumably depriving us of Lil’ B’s forthcoming album), I don’t see a change from this way of things being possible.

          • Simba.Africanna

            What holds us together? I don’t think its a strictly binary construct i.e. either survival instinct from necessity (farm work etc.) or fear of threats (famine, hostile tribes, war/violence etc.) or “love” as a gut-feeling.

            I think there are other relatively wealthy, free & open societies (see: Japan & soon India) that perceive marriage as being more important (to society at large) than personal satisfaction (i.e. “the pursuit of happiness”). Let’s call it the “individualism ain’t all that” clique.
            I have Indian colleagues (mid-20′s, living here in the states, earning over 50k) that go home for a month & come back married (arranged). Its a cultural thing & it works for them. Interestingly their divorce rates are far lower (Japan: 2.2)

            • Book2

              We just grew together

              *Blowin u all kisses*

  • Dee

    I agree with this more and more the older I get….Things have worked out better in my relationships if I let the guy open up and stuff first….of course I show my interest, but I tend to let him say how he feels first.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      trial and error and sh*t

      • j.ivy

        zackly!

    • Breazy Taylor

      But can a guy open up too much? Let’s say a guy was thought to be the one to love more and he open’s up first, are you willing to accept the good, the bad and the ugly? Because truth you may not like everything that he show’s you.

      • GirlSixx

        “But can a guy open up too much?”

        Yes, Yes he can BUT that goes both ways (woman we tend to do this too). There are ways of opening up without laying all of your cards on the table, leave a little intrigue/mystery. I don’t like being able to figure you out in 10secs flat.

    • http://www.thefriendraiser.com jenifer daniels

      me 2.

      & i can’t believe i’m on here as much as i am but as the resident married mom, angie is right.

  • Rogman

    Women grow on men all the time.

    Its an interesting theory of hers, however how does she reliably test it?

    • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

      Is it better to grow on a man, or have a man love you, do you think Rogman?

      • Rogman

        This is a really hard question. In my experience, the girls that grew on me left the deepest impression.

        I have watched this scenario play out with other guys as well. They fell hard, married and had kids with women they didnt necessarily go bonkers over at first. It was a slow burn kind of thing.

        And they are with these women to this very day.

        In my case there was this girl who i didnt think I had much in common with and really didnt think she was the type I would pursue. Yes she was attractive but in a sense that is not saying much because there are lots of attractive women in the world.

        However as I got to know her, It was like she was giving me a mind shag. She was funny, laid back, liked sports, introspective about things, good listener…… I mean I could go on and on. She literally stole my heart from me. And I mean I wish I could pretend I saw it coming. I dont think I am so different that this doesnt happen to lots of men

        • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          Is being in love with + loving someone blindly equal to slow burn + learning to love them? And in such case, which one would be better?

          I ask because I always seem to be a slow burn kinda girl :\…hasn’t paid off so far.

          • Rogman

            I would say most of the long term healthy relationships that I have seen have been slow burns.

            So in my opinion I would say those are the better types.

            • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

              *enters the room at “slow burn”*

              U might wanna swing by a clinic about that.. or at least a CVS..

          • Yoles

            Tes

            on behalf of slow burners everywhere… it pays off… when you get into someone’s heart from under their skin you stay there…. enjoy each moment of your journey through life and to love…

            • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

              Yoles

              Firstly, your new avi? Tre cuteness.

              Secondly, I’m keeping hope alive and keeping my Disney movies although Mo says not to .

              • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                There’s an s in “tre”.. but I won’t tell u where cuz then u won’t learn anything.. jk.. how u doin? But for real. There’s an s..

                • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                  I know :D
                  Textually speaking though, many a friend of mine says “tre” and “two shay.” I like it :)

                  And I’m fine Rem, how you doin? :)

              • Yoles

                hi tes… thx sweetie and yes keep hope alive and keep the disney movies

        • Mo-VSS

          Points for the win!

          People say all the time that women can’t grow on men. They can and there’s nothing wrong with it as long as that man is genuine in his attempts with said woman. If he’s still in the “sport fcking” part of the game, then that’s when it becomes problematic.

        • Yoles

          @Rogman

          this is the story of my life…

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “This is a really hard question. In my experience, the girls that grew on me left the deepest impression.”

          not questioning the validity of what you’re saying. only you know what’s happened in your life. but, your situation is the exception, not the rule.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          :”Yes she was attractive but in a sense that is not saying much because there are lots of attractive women in the world.”

          also, this statement actually kind of proves my point. sure, you grew to like her more as you knew her more, but from day one you thought she was attractive. because the attraction was there already, you allowed the other parts to “catch up.” but, if you didn’t think she was physically attractive at all, you probably wouldnt have allowed that, and this is the difference i was getting at. it’s much, much, much more common for a women to grow to love a man she wasn’t physically attracted to at all initially than vice versa.

          • TheRealestLeo

            Is this really true? I always thought that when a woman says she isn’t interested, that was the end.

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

              For some women, yes.

              Probably not the chick that shoots him down in the club; but a woman that a man has regular contact with that turns you down initially may change her mind after spending time to get to know the real him and not the him he that he thinks will get the pannies.

            • http://twitter.com/Phidelity15 Phidelity15

              This is definitely true. If you are not physically attracted to the guy but he has characteristics and other attributes that you desire or like, then you can begin to be physically attractive..or you won’t at least mind him touching you. His soul begins to glow bright and blind you so then you won’t mind how he looks or you will find some beauty in him. Keep in mind though, men are the ones who are more visual than women and this is not always true in every situation

              • TheRealestLeo

                Oh. See, I used to always try to make it known that I wasn’t just in it for the draws (as The Anti-Cool put it)…..so since that somehow wasn’t good enough for them, I would just move on and never approach them again or hang around hoping I’d grow on a woman.

                • Mo-VSS

                  LOL, do you like yourself?

                  Anyway, when a man says “I’m not in it for the drawers” a woman hears “I gonna say all the right things until I get the drawers.” And since they don’t know you and you don’t give them an opportunity to, you cut yourself off at the pass by not at least developing friendships or taking a chance that you both may want the same things.

                  Honest question..did you grow up with a father? It seems to me that some of the trials and tribulations in love/dating you go through could be amended with some fatherly advice. No judgement, just an honest question.

            • Siobhan

              “sure, you grew to like her more as you knew her more, but from day one you thought she was attractive.”

              This is true for me. If I’m not physically attracted to a man on some level, nothing is going to grow. I might think you’d be a great friend, enjoy your company, but that’s it.

              Of course you can definitely wear some women down. I had a friend who had to call campus police on a boy who wouldn’t leave her room in our freshman year of school. He was harmless enough but quite the stalker.

              They are now married.

            • http://musicmakesmehigh.wordpress.com Reecie

              it is absolutely true. men grow on women EVERYDAY. I agree with Champ, I don’t see it happening in the reverse as much.

            • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

              “Is this really true? I always thought that when a woman says she isn’t interested, that was the end.”

              It is SUPER true. A man can be placed in the friend zone one minute and next thing you know, he’s joking and charming your True Religion jeans off. In every sense of the phrase.

              • GirlSixx

                Preach!!!!!

        • Qozmic

          Just curious…but if she was attractive plus all those things, why didn’t you think you would pursue her initially?

      • Ivy St.

        @ Tes, Because I think we grow to love one another, I think growing on some one and loving them can be the same thing. No, they aren’t mutually exclusive. You can grow to only like someone as a friend or roomate. As your relationship with a man continues, he should grow to love you more and so you are growing on him in a sense. He grows to love you for your good and not so good qualities.
        Maybe I have been watching too much Disney myself.

        • http://pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

          “As your relationship with a man continues, he should grow to love you more and so you are growing on him in a sense. ”

          Yeah, I agree in this sense. I just think it’s harder for women to grown on men if he had not an inkling of interest in the first place. I think the opposite is true for women. We can not be into dude at all but an errant fit of giggles caused by him can cause an errant romp session.

        • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          Ivy,

          This whole thread has changed my mind about love; my best friend has this whole cinematic love life of kissing in the rain and being passionately kissed against walls and sh*t and I get a little salty about it, but I think growing on a person sounds more personal than all that passion at once…or is that wrong? o.O I wouldn’t know lol

          • Rogman

            @Champ

            Well yes I found her attractive but it wasnt like I was in a heightened state of lust whenever I was around her. She was an average girl( dont get me wrong when I say this because I consider myself an average looking guy. And I find lots of average girls candidates of penthouse magazine worthy thoughts ) .

            So it was not that she particularly stood out to because of her looks. And my first impressions of her were that she seemed a bit snobby and had a myopic world view.

            So those two things made me not really give her a second thought initially. As we got to know each other she blew my perceptions apart like a howitzer.

            Would I have given her a second thought if I found her unattractive? Well I dont know as I cant say that I go out of my way to not be civil with girls I have no initial physical desire for. Emphasis on initial.

            She crept up on me.

      • jay totha dee

        Are we saying that to grow on a man is not the same as that man loving you? So, you grow on him for him to what exactly?

        • http://www.twism.com/drrdb TWIsM81

          There’s a difference between loving a chick (having love for her) and being in love with her. #imjustsayin’

          • GirlSixx

            Touche’

  • JJ the Jet Plane

    I’ve gotten into many an argument with my momma about this topic, and I attributed it to her being a crazed, elder Latina woman who wants to ensure that her only-born doesn’t entertain a string of bad relationships. I’ve never heard of anyone closer to my age intimate that they believed the same ideology, and so it definitely throws my theory off-base. Maybe momma wasn’t crazy?
    However, in the event that you actually do entertain a relationship where the man ‘loves’ harder than you, aren’t you missing out as a woman? Isn’t the whole point of being in a relationship and ‘falling in love with love’ about being the doting (and respected) woman who takes care of her man? I’m afraid that a love imbalance might make it hard to desire to be a man’s “everywoman’, so to speak. Meh…Maybe my Latina upbringing effed it all up. What to do??

    PS – I require GLITTAH, dang it!!!!! I have yet to receive a grandiose VSB welcome. ::Smile::

    • Kema

      The welcome crew will be here shortly…

      “Isn’t the whole point of being in a relationship and ‘falling in love with love’ about being the doting (and respected) woman who takes care of her man? I’m afraid that a love imbalance might make it hard to desire to be a man’s “everywoman’, so to speak. ”

      I think its that very attribute about a woman that makes a relationship better when a man loves harder. Now of course it shouldnt be too skewed in favor of the woman. Just enough such that her doting will not be taken for granted. I believe that love feels unbalanced when it is equal… at least to a woman.

      • aceklub

        @ Kema,
        “I believe that love feels unbalanced when it is equal… at least to a woman.”

        Could you elaborate on this a bit?

        • Kema

          As Phlgrl said below… “I feel that women give more than men in relationships anyway. Women are alwys bending over backwards and making special note of how he likes his boxer briefs folded and planning special date nights, while men are content to just BE in a relationship.”

          Of course I feel that it is just the nature of a woman to be giving. However as time goes on it will feel like we are doing all the giving. I think a man loving a little harder alleviates that a bit.

          • Kema

            **PhlyyGirl

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        “I think its that very attribute about a woman that makes a relationship better when a man loves harder. Now of course it shouldnt be too skewed in favor of the woman. Just enough such that her doting will not be taken for granted. I believe that love feels unbalanced when it is equal… at least to a woman.”

        yeah, you took the words out of my mouth. i think good women are going to naturally be doting/supportive/loving, etc. sh*t, i’ve seen women be that way towards men they wouldnt lend $25 dollars, so i wouldn’t worry about a woman doing that for a man she actually loved

      • jay totha dee

        “I believe that love feels unbalanced when it is equal… at least to a woman.”

        If you love wholeheartedly and your partner loves wholeheartedly there’s an imbalance?
        How so?

        “Now of course it shouldnt be too skewed in favor of the woman.”
        So is it about who has the most power? Control? Who has a one up on the other person?

        • Caballeroso

          “I believe that love feels unbalanced when it is equal… at least to a woman.”

          If you love wholeheartedly and your partner loves wholeheartedly there’s an imbalance? How so?

          It “FEELS” unbalanced to a woman because she typically won’t see the equity there based on the way that she will express that love versus the way he will express that love…which will probably be moreso based on the different love languages of the two. Example: They love each other. She expresses love by buying him gifts. He expresses love by spending time with her. Because of the incongruity in their expressions of love, she feels it’s unbalanced because she always buys him stuff, but he never buys her sh*t. She erroneously expects to get it like she gives it.

          • jay totha dee

            Makes sense. Good insight.

          • Mrs. Dr. Evil

            *co-sign*

    • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

      *throws grandiose glittah for JJ with “J” and jet plane shaped confetti*

      Welcome and sh*t.

      • JJ the Jet Plane

        I heart you Tes. ::twirling as ‘J’ and jet-plane shaped glitter gets caught in my hair::

        • JJ the Jet Plane

          Shyt, I didn’t know I had OPTIONS in this piece!!! Lol… Glittah and e-lap dances and real talk, oh my!

    • DQ

      You don’t need Glittah… I came through this piece glittah free and I’m doing ok (and truthfully I would have asked for an e-lap dance before I requested glittah, but that’s me)

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        *cues Peggy Lee’s “Fever” while strapping on the stilettos*

        • Lina

          uh oh, Tes. Trying not to be a VSV? lol

          • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

            I believe in welcoming the brothas in an acceptable manner. We get glitter, what do they get? lmao

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

              They get us VSS; what more do they need? :wink:

              • DQ

                An e-lap dance. :)

                • mr_b_ez25

                  i know late with this, but uh, can i get me an e-lap dance too?? times is tough for a bruh, so i can bounce wood nickels off the keyboard…and shyt!

                  • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                    *cues up the Pink Panther Theme while strapping on a pink tail*

                    Welcome and sh*t! :)

                • DG

                  Yessir…
                  *Pulls at roll of $ingles

                • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

                  *flashes boobs* How’s that for a welcome?

                  • DQ

                    I suddenly feel at home :)

                    Tes gave me a dance.
                    SFG gave me a flash.

                    You know what I’d have if I put those 2 together?

                    #Flashdance

                    #FlawlessVictory

                    • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

                      And yes, those were #FinishHim moves.

                      The circle of life.

                    • DQ

                      I <3 Cheekie

                  • mr_b_ez25

                    @SmartFoxGirl- and the winner is the lady flashin the tiggobitties…I just luv the tiggobitties…and thats a hellz of a welcome, thanx…and shat!

            • DQ

              And just like that, Tes becomes one of my favorite commenters. Well played ma’am, well played.

              Don’t worry y’all, she’ll still be a VSV after it’s over. There’s no e-sex in the Champagne Room.

              Time to hand out some $1 dollar scholarships.
              [$ () $ ]

              • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                lmao @ “$1 dollar scholarships”

                Knowledge is power and tuition don’t pay itself. ;)

                • Starita34

                  *bust out laughing* $1 scholarships is #Classic!

                  • Caballeroso

                    Yeah, $1 scholarships is officially being stolen for future use.

        • naturalista88

          You about to turn it into Magic City up in here huh? *lol*.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

          Nooo!…Not Tes!!…

          (covers my eyes but peeks through fingers)

        • Squeak

          Hmm….i don’t remember getting a welcome either.

          *pulls up chair*

          Aint no fun if the homies can’t have none.

          *kanyeshrug*

          • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

            *cues Lenny Kravit’s “American Woman”*

            Happy late welcome Squeakers :D lol

      • http://theothersideofphlyy.blogspot.com PhlyyGirl

        Indeed. I never got glitter….
        I just got a “welcome and sh*t”.

        NTTAWWT

        • Mo-VSS

          I didn’t get that much. I just busted in with the gangsta (or like the “g” in lasagna…all silent and sh*t, shout out to Panama for that one) and have been rolling ever since. LOL

          • Yoles

            me neither still waiting i guess…
            ?…
            ?…
            ?…

            after i while i decided to make my own welcome signs and took over… i’m the newly self appointed welcoming committee chair as well as founder, owner and sole proprietor of all Bedazzled welcome posts!!!!

            :D

            • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

              yoles has everyone stepping their html games up man….challenge accepted! watch out chica…… LOL <3

              • Yoles

                shamira

                me & ? accept the challenge!!!!

            • Yeah…So

              HOLD DUH EFF UP!!!! Yoles, you learned how to italicize?

              *passes out*

              • Yoles

                Yeah…So

                i remember we were supposed to exchange some secrets then you just disappeared on me VSB… where have you been?!?!? WELCOME BACK!!! I missed you, we shared so many co-signs in the past… :D
                since you have been gone… i stepped my html game WAY UP and have been showing out ever since… ;)

                • Yeah…So

                  Oh wow, yes you most certainly have! And I’m so proud of you!! You know… sometimes when a bird is set free it’s so happy to see new things and explore that… that… that it just doesn’t realize all that it’s left behind. But, I’m back on house arrest and promise I will never leave y’all like dat again. *hi-5*

        • Medium Meech

          *Manglitters Phlyy, Mo and Yoles*

          • http://lizburr.com Liz

            “manglitters” tho? LOLLLLLLLLLL. How does one “manglitter,” exactly?

            • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

              Preeeeeeety sure “manglitter” is an oxymoron. People of the jury?

              • http://twitter.com/Phidelity15 Phidelity15

                Guilty! I hope they don’t want that sprinkled on them..at least not in public

                • DQ

                  Whew… thank goodness for Phidelity. I thought I was the only one that immediately thought of “Putting Icing on the Cake” when I heard ManGlitter.

                  Carry on.

                  • http://twitter.com/Phidelity15 Phidelity15

                    Nope…my mind stays in the gutter getting filthy. It helps get me through the day :-)

              • miss t-lee

                definitely an oxymoron Cheeks.

          • Yoles

            Medium Meech.. just to clear up any misunderstanding….are you saying that you are “manglittering” me… manglitter being the verb… or you are requesting it making manglitters the noun…

            i’ll admit i read it as the verb option but i don’t want to be over stepping any boundaries…

            ??

            • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

              LMAO @ Yoles having an icon for EVERY occasion.

              • Yoles

                yes cheekie… i seem to have some for everything & everyone…

                ;)

                • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

                  “yes cheekie… i seem to have some for everything & everyone…”

                  That’s what she said?

                  HEATHEN!*

                  *Or “generous soul” depending on how ya look at it.

          • Medium Meech

            LOL. No this was not meant to be dirty. I was just trying to make them feel welcome in the most masculine way possible. Just think of manglitter as one of those exploding party favors with Xs and Ys inside. It’s not cool for guys to have to have it in a bucket, but if it comes in an exploding tube it’s alright.

            • http://lizburr.com Liz

              <3

            • Yoles

              Medium Meech

              ok great!! thx for thinking of me and giving me a masculine welcome…

              *shaking and shimmying as the manglitters explode out the tube*

              *not meant to be dirty

              • http://twitter.com/Phidelity15 Phidelity15

                I don’t believe anything that explodes out of a tube and called manglitter can be deemed safe/not dirty.

                Nope. Ain’t No Way

                • Medium Meech

                  I see what the problem is. *Manglitters Phi*

                  • http://twitter.com/Phidelity15 Phidelity15

                    What?!? Ninja just don’t get none on my hair I don’t play that ish!

          • http://theothersideofphlyy.blogspot.com PhlyyGirl

            MANGLITTER?!?!?!?! Oh this made me choke on my own spit.

            But thank you Meech! I will favorite this and love it forever and ever!

          • Mo-VSS

            Meech, appreciate the welcome. However, due to the “ambiguous” nature of the construct of what manglitter is, I’m gonna have to decline that portion of the welcome.

            :D

            • Mo-VSS

              I spoke too soon. LOL, thanks and sh*t

      • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

        DQ, that’s an option?!? ’cause I damn sure never got glitter either. I didn’t know e-lap dances were available. Do I need e-cash, paypal, or tipdrill?

        • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          *cues up Gyptian’s “Hold Yuh” while oiling up my legs*

          • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

            Ha!!!! LMAO

            • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

              I swear, my bestie is Jamaican and she played it once. It’s been my favorite song ever since.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

          Hold up! Just hold the hail up!

          We aren’t just VSSs; we’re fukking ladies around here…So I think Paypal should be fine.

          • DQ

            Oh hell no TAC, I ain’t leaving no paper trail around here. You’ll take this good clean drug money and you’ll like it

            [ $ () $ ]

            • kingpinenut

              lol

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

              Freshly laundered money is the best money.

              (takes it and slips in the ample cleavage that you will never see)

              • DQ

                -_-

                The Better Business Bureau will hear about this, I promise you.

                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

                  Good luck with that. :wink:

        • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

          Hold up. If I’m giving up e-cash for you to pay your online tuition, I should at least be able to get a dance to T-Pain’s Long Lap Dance. It’s only right.

          • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

            *Hikes to top of poll and suicide drops on your lap*…and I hope it hurt. lol

            • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

              LOL. Never that. I applaud the effort.

        • naturalista88

          Umm, I think it will be agreed upon that there will be no sliding of credit cards thru booty butt cheeks @ this establishment.

      • tezzybaby

        I neva got any glittah either now that I think about it, I just started commenting like I was a regular in this piece…

        • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          *sprinkles “I Been Here” glitter, chock full of confetti spelling out Deez and 3s*

          • Breazy Taylor

            I’ve been leaving comment’s for two weeks, and haven’t gotten so much as a kiss my a%%, go to hell let alone any glitter or e-lap dance. I want me e-lap dance dangit.

            • http://lizburr.com Liz

              I’m sorry. I batted my eyelashes at you initially but I GUESS that wasn’t GOOD ENOUGH!!!

              *VSB Glitter*

              Fixed that for you :)

              • Breazy Taylor

                LOL, thank you.

            • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

              *cues up Beyonce’s “Suga Mama” and shimmies*

              Welcome and sh*t Breazy ;)

          • http://theothersideofphlyy.blogspot.com PhlyyGirl

            Upon further reflection, THIS is the glitter that I want!

        • DQ

          Yeah but you got a secret public handshake with someone on here…

          …and that’s all you really need in life ain’t it?

        • http://pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

          That what real G’s do, allegedly.

        • Medium Meech

          Yeah, I think the Champ cursed me out and Liz hit me with an upside down cross emoticon the first time I commented. I knew then this was the place for me.

          • http://lizburr.com Liz

            LMAO. YOU LIE!!!

          • DQ

            See this all proves Angie’s theory. Basically the fellas (for the most part didn’t get ish) but women got glitter – and look we’ve all stuck around. First time I posted ninjas was like, oh yeah another 2 letter abbreviation screen name. Whatevs.

            And I took that as a challenge. Like I know y’all better respect my digital gangsta. So I got on my Dylan-$h!t and started posting hot fire. And now look at me, I’m a VSB regular. People actually respond back to me now. #winning

            • Medium Meech

              Good point. Maybe it’s a chicken and egg thing, maybe we fall harder when they keep a little mystery and do go all misery on us. #thingsthatmakeyougohmm

              • DQ

                I think Arsenio still has that copyrighted. You might be hearing from his “people”

            • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

              “First time I posted ninjas was like, oh yeah another 2 letter abbreviation screen name. Whatevs.”

              Hell, and folks think you and DG are the same person.

              • Yeah…So

                Still kinda do sometimes… sorry.

                • DQ

                  -_-

                  Come on YS. You were one of the first ones to speak to me. Don’t be like this.

                  *pause*

                  By the way where you been?

      • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

        Wtf is glittah!?

        • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

          Sounds like a step-child O_o

    • Yoles

      @JJ the Jet Plane ?

      ???????? WELCOME ????????
      y porque su mama es latina
      ???????? BIENVENIDOS ????????

      please stay and continue to post ? and represent for the blatinos/latinos etc… viva la raza!!!

    • Breazy Taylor

      How can something equal = off balanced???

  • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

    I understand that relationships will never be 50/50. One party will always be a tad bit more committed to the relationship than the other (And whoever happens to be the least committed also usually holds the most power…but that’s another topic for another day), but hearing a woman actually say that any man she’s serious about needs to love her more than she loves him is a man’s worst nightmare; a confirmation that, beneath all the sugar and spice, women are inherently selfish, superficial, and full of shit.

    This right here. No one ever really wants to admit that in every relationship someone is giving more than the other. The best you can reliably wish for is a 60/40. And as sheer numbers dictate, the person giving 60 is the one who stands to lose more when if the relationship ends.

    However, to say for a relationship to work the man should love the woman more, assumes the position that the woman wants to be with the man and wants that relationship to last. Everyone assumes men want to play and women want to commit. I think that was the case once upon a time, but now there are many women that just want to meet certain milestones. They want the wedding, but the marriage is inconsequential. If it doesn’t work out, at least she can say “been there, done that” ’cause that’s better than getting the “What’s wrong with your never-been-married-*ss?” stares she’d get otherwise.

    • Sea Jay Bee

      I agree that the 60/40 split (and the 70/30 variants) occur much more than we’d like to admit. Depending on what’s going on, the numbers adjust and the partners may even trade numbers depending on what the season is.

      On the flipside of your last sentence, I know some folks on the other end of the marriage stare spectrum like “you’ve been married how many times?” “You’ve been engaged how many times?”…yeah okay…they’re the ones missing out…yep…right.

      • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

        Yeah, but the “I’m collecting engagement rings women” come with their own special brand of warning labels and as such are only a threat to simps.

    • aceklub

      @TWIsM81

      The last paragraph is an interesting one, particularly that last sentence. I could see that being the case as a women can feel comfortable is knowing that she is marriage material but it just didn’t work out.

      • Yoles

        @aceklub

        exactly!!

        @twism81
        i never thought of myself as an “i’m collecting engagement rings woman” sometimes things don’t work out and not all “i got engaged but didn’t marry her” men are simps… :(

        • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

          Yoles, I’m not saying that if a couple calls off an engagement the man is a simp. I’m saying a man that knows a woman has a history of “collecting engagement rings” (i.e. has been engaged/married not once or twice, but SEVERAL times) and thinks ‘Cool, my turn. I’m going to make her my wife’ without batting an eye, reeks of simp. Granted this is only my opinion on the matter, but I’d say that boy is either stupid, desperate, or a combination of the two.

      • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

        The last paragraph is an interesting one, particularly that last sentence. I could see that being the case as a women can feel comfortable is knowing that she is marriage material but it just didn’t work out.

        Annnnnd that right there is one of the things keepin’ me happily single. I don’t want to commit to someone who has a “I just wanted to know I could get married” philosophy. Tell me that’s not fair to the other person.

        • http://eboneeyes.wordpress.com Eb

          “I don’t want to commit to someone who has a “I just wanted to know I could get married” philosophy.”

          Weeelllll….we all know we ‘can’ get married just like ugly ppl (somehow) can have gorgeous babies. Its not a question of if its possible. Sure its possible. Any self secure woman who knows her worth and isnt ashamed to be feminine and has been told a time or a thousand that she’d make a great wife isnt really her fault. blame her for knowing what her weapons are and how to mentally, emotionally, and physically use them. Now if brotha still gets down on one knee then he is (what you called) a simp. He knows upfront and if she is in fact a VSS she let him know up front. so is that her fault? To answer your question its not fair if done intentionally but if both paraties are fully aware that she’s NEVER the bridesmaid ALWAYS the bride then bruh man shoulda pumped his brakes. *shrugs*

          That shouldnt be keeping you single though. there are alot of wifey material that are walking around hiding in plain sight. Trust you’ll know if she is in it to win it or just tryn to take the horse for a drink of water. its all in the signs.

          • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

            Hey Eb. I like what you had to say. It’s kinda akin to what I said about the simp and the several-times-engaged woman.

            P.S. That alone isn’t keeping me single. Just one of the reasons. Other than that I’m truly happily single. And if it isn’t broke don’t fix it, right?

    • LSQ

      I really do think the age of marriage is behind us, unfortunately. Women don’t -need- to get married anymore. It’s like you said, a box to check, then move on. what’s next?

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      This right here. No one ever really wants to admit that in every relationship someone is giving more than the other. The best you can reliably wish for is a 60/40

      i think that 55/45 or even 52/48 is doable.

      • James

        Maybe I’m being too literal…
        I think in my marriage the ratio swings back and forth 45/55 one day 55/45 the other way on the next day. Sometimes both of us feel like its 70/30 in the other’s favor. The point is that we are both committed to making the other feel like it’s 50/50 as often as possible.

        Also, since we have a child (daughter) its really:
        95/3/2 as in kid/wife/me

        • jay totha dee

          “The point is that we are both committed to making the other feel like it’s 50/50 as often as possible. ”

          ^^^THIS!^^^

        • nilla wafer

          Sometimes both of us feel like its 70/30 in the other’s favor. The point is that we are both committed to making the other feel like it’s 50/50 as often as possible.

          This IS the definition of marriage!!

          Also, since we have a child (daughter) its really:
          95/3/2

          This is the definition of Parenthood!

    • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

      I remember you now! I saw you in the ThreeDeez video. You were the guy in the hat. I booty bumped you trying to get to the bar. (yeah awkward I know) I didn’t know you commented on VSB. I would have intro’d myself. My bad homey.

      • http://lizburr.com Liz

        Wow you DID spot him in the video. I had to go back and look hard lolllll

      • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

        Damn, I hate when I’m caught on video. That’s the second one I have floating on the internet now. at least I don’t have to hide this one

        • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

          Nice avatar, btw! Don’t hurt ‘em. *wink*

          • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

            Thanks, Cheekie.

        • http://lizburr.com Liz

          You just begging to be stalked huh? *opens up a file on TWisM81*

          • http://www.twism.com/drrdb TWIsM81

            Liz, as of now stalker alert level is between yellow and orange. Given that she’s never been to this city or have my actual address, I’m gonna say I’ll be okay. lol

      • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

        LOL. I don’t remember being booty bumped. Damn, I’m slippin’. Also, WOW! Y’all saw me on the video. If I hadn’t heard from y’all I was even in it, I wouldn’t have even seen myself. I’ve found Waldo faster than that. If I ever go missing I want SFG and Liz on the case.

  • http://theothersideofphlyy.blogspot.com PhlyyGirl

    I wholeheartledly, 100% believe that this is true.

    See the thing is, I feel that women give more than men in relationships anyway. Women are alwys bending over backwards and making special note of how he likes his boxer briefs folded and planning special date nights, while men are content to just BE in a relationship.
    When men are on the chase, they do more.
    Men doing more because they’re soooo in love + women doing normal ish = a regular healthy relationship (IMO)

    • Dee

      True…..we’re expected to do the little things all the time, men expect recognition when they do someone extra every once in a blue.

      • http://theothersideofphlyy.blogspot.com PhlyyGirl

        Exactly!
        I’m not advocating for women to stop doing all the little special things that they do, but it seems t me like women perform those duties regardless of their feelings (sometimes)

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        “True…..we’re expected to do the little things all the time, men expect recognition when they do someone extra every once in a blue.”

        hey! we do little shit too. just yesterday i unscrewed a water bottle for lady champ

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

          Wow. I’m guessing the pannies dropped immediately after that, huh? :wink:

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            this would be true if lady champ actually wore panties

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

              Alrighty den…

            • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

              *dies*

              A. Mess.

    • aceklub

      “Women are alwys bending over backwards and making special note of how he likes his boxer briefs folded and planning special date nights, , while men are content to just BE in a relationship.”

      But for some women, when they try to communicate their love in this manner, they fail to consider if those things move their partner. She may be expressing her love in that way, is she considering that those things may not move that man in the same way. Maybe it takes them expressing their love in a way that they both feel comfortable doing.
      Unless you want to open the door and find your man folding your panties to show you an equal sense of love.

      • http://theothersideofphlyy.blogspot.com PhlyyGirl

        I’m not necessarily saying he has to perform the same actions that I do, I moreso was judging the effort and intent of his actions.

        Like someone said upthread, if you stop by the store and saw the pickles I like on sale and brought me home two jars, then we good.

        Ex: I have spent well over six digits on making my childs father feel loved. You know what my favorite gift from him is? A $20 pillow pet in the shape of a ladybug that he named after me because it symbolizes a longterm inside joke that we have.

        Don’t get it twisted, I would never turn down an expensive gift from him, but if he never gave anything else or did anything else, I know that for this gift, he really put thought into it and it came from the heart

    • mr_b_ez25

      y’all be having me cryin’ laughin’ with these comments. with that out the way, let me say I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. if a man is willing to continue the chase longterm, even after the lt relationship has been committed to, became legal, etc., then he (imo) will do whatever it is to keep that feeling going, and showing his lady he is (mostly) all in.

    • http://twitter.com/kjnetic peter parker

      so why, as a guy, should i do more if i know it won’t be reciprocated, or i won’t even know (via her actions) that she li-like-likes/loves me?

      • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

        Pete, you asked the $1,000,000 question right there. They gon’ poll the audience, though

      • Kema

        But you will not do more… Unless your love is way lopsided. When a woman loves she definitely shows this. We are showy creatures (not all). Men not so much.

        A man loving harder does not mean the love is one – sided… just not equal. For this to work it still requires a woman’s love.

        • TheRealestLeo

          I can’t believe this one…Especially not with what I’m seeing from women out here.

          • Kema

            You are not going to get this treatment if she doesnt love you. Have you ever had a woman really… I mean really love you? If so you know what I am talking about.

            • TheRealestLeo

              Nope, I’ve never experienced anything remotely close to love. So I guess I wouldn’t know, then.

              • PerceptionIsYourReality

                Gives TRL a E-Hug and a Squeeze. Cuz that’s actually really sad.
                Love is wonderful thing, even more so when its reciprocated.

            • http://twitter.com/kjnetic peter parker

              ^^^ exactly what TRL said:
              “Nope, I’ve never experienced anything remotely close to love. So I guess I wouldn’t know, then.”

              *LeBron Shrugs*

              *tosses TRL a Beer*

              • TheRealestLeo

                Thanks for the beer, man.

      • TheRealestLeo

        Y’all late….I asked this question hours ago. lol

      • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

        *cues “When A Woman Loves” by R. Kelly*

        *stops cassette tape cuz everybody still remembers what Kelz did last summer.. or whatever*

        *ponders the mix of envious and confused stares as I just bust out a bit of the 90s on the a$$ with the cassette player*

        • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

          The “the” above is supposed to be a “that”.. I don’t even like words..

      • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

        “so why, as a guy, should i do more if i know it won’t be reciprocated, or i won’t even know (via her actions) that she li-like-likes/loves me?”

        Ain’t that the risk? Like… how DO you know for sure until you take it?

  • Curious Capital

    My father has been married to my mom for over thirty years and he recently told me this. I might have to go with Angie on this one.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      your dad said that?

      • coldsweat3

        lol im with champ on this 0_o . Did your Dad say he was Originally in love with your Mom more or 30 years later he still loves her more than she loves him?

        • Curious Capital

          i was just as surprised as you.

      • Curious Capital

        yep. I’d wager that they’ve broke even about now, but he was talking about initially. It surprised me because my dad is not a communicator or mushy dude.

        • Curious Capital

          And to give some context, the convo wasn’t about him and my mom. I was talking to him about some drama that my girl was going through and he made the statement about the man needing to be more invested.

    • monique

      my dad said this too. and allll the elder women in my family.

    • JanuaryG79

      My father told me this years ago. “Babydoll, marry a man who loves you more than you love him.” I believed it then, I believe it now. Dad had good advice. My uncle pretty much said the same thing “Men are incapable of being faithfull longterm, so marry one who loves you more. He’ll never leave you even if he does cheat.” I tend to believe the advice of men who are happily married, and who only have my best interests in mind.

  • Intellectual Hedonist

    As I stand 30 days from my 40th birthday with a 14 year relationship in my history I have to say not only do i totally agree with Angie but I whole heartedly support this message.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      something’s gonna happen here within the next week that’ll make you quite famous and sh*t

    • James

      Congrats on reaching the big four-oh.

    • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      Can I just say that I’ve met you in person and I thought you were WAY younger? Oh, I kinda did. Anyway. *Martin voice* You. GO. Girl.

  • DQ

    I agree with Angie, though admittedly I didn’t at first. It took me some time to come around to it, and I only recently did (in the past few years). I’ll see if I can find my thoughts on it and reprint it here.

    • DQ

      Ok so, I think what Angie said is true but perhaps not for the same reasons as Angie or Champ. My rationale was one of fidelity.

      It started off by noting that men in power get in all sorts of sexual peccadillos – while women of equal stature almost never seem to do likewise. Tiger Woods, John Edwards, Mark Sanford, Steve Phillips, Jesse James, John Ensign… that’s just off the top of my head. When it came time to name women that had done the same I couldn’t name one… not even one.

      Is it because they’re more discreet? I don’t think so. I think enough women have been shown equal recklessness when drunk with power like their male counterparts. Exceptions notwithstanding (and I can’t believe I’m saying this but) Lil Wayne had it right to some degree, men want to @#$% every girl in the world. Not on an emotional level, but just physically. We just want to do it. We are easily tempted. And there has to be a counterbalance to that programming. And I think that counterbalance is our need to find a challenge and conquer it… to win the affection of the woman who appears to be outside of your reach. To pursue, to win, and then acquire the treasure. And as long as your pursuing that treasure, you’re not focused on anything (or anyone else).

      Of course, with today’s model of man and woman it seems like this approach is impossible.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        “It started off by noting that men in power get in all sorts of sexual peccadillos – while women of equal stature almost never seem to do likewise. Tiger Woods, John Edwards, Mark Sanford, Steve Phillips, Jesse James, John Ensign… that’s just off the top of my head. When it came time to name women that had done the same I couldn’t name one… not even one.

        Is it because they’re more discreet? I don’t think so. I think enough women have been shown equal recklessness when drunk with power like their male counterparts. Exceptions notwithstanding (and I can’t believe I’m saying this but) Lil Wayne had it right to some degree, men want to @#$% every girl in the world. Not on an emotional level, but just physically. We just want to do it. We are easily tempted. And there has to be a counterbalance to that programming. And I think that counterbalance is our need to find a challenge and conquer it… to win the affection of the woman who appears to be outside of your reach. To pursue, to win, and then acquire the treasure. And as long as your pursuing that treasure, you’re not focused on anything (or anyone else). ”

        actually, this reason ties perfectly into the reasons angie and i were getting at

      • Datalore

        We are easily tempted. And there has to be a counterbalance to that programming. And I think that counterbalance is our need to find a challenge and conquer it… to win the affection of the woman who appears to be outside of your reach. To pursue, to win, and then acquire the treasure. And as long as your pursuing that treasure, you’re not focused on anything (or anyone else).

        –This right here! I have seen this happen in real life and those are the strongest marriages I have seen. I’ve learned this the hard way and know for a fact this is the way my next relationship will be. A woman craves security and what place is more secure than when a man is in 100% pursuit of you. A woman secure in the fidelity of man is a happy woman.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

          Off topic but…Is your name a ST:TNG reference? If it is, my nerdish heart will beat a little faster for you.

          • Datalore

            You are the first person to notice this.

            Yes it is…

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

              As promised…sudden tachycardia over here and my nerdy sense is all a tingle.

              Next to Jean-Luc, Data is my favorite Trek character of all time.

              • Datalore

                I’m exactly the opposite. Data first, Picard second. Although Picard has the best episodes of Trek history though. Best of Both Worlds, Part II, the “There are four lights!” episode, and Tapestry.

                • DQ

                  So Benjamin Sisko can’t get any love? Had this Ninja on the edge of space, does he get a ship? No. He gets a damn way station for intergalactic hobos and rabbble rousers (ok so he eventually got the Defiant, but who cares? He was only a commander… ok he did eventually receive the rank of Captain but why come he didn’t start off that way)

                  You see? They always hold a black man down, even in the future. Geordi couldn’t see, Worf wasn’t even human, and Sisko didn’t even survive his own series. Did that happen to Picard? Archer? Janeway? No. Only Sisko. #TrekRant

                  • Datalore

                    I have love for Sisko. In fact, Picard and Sisko are the best captains or commander in Sisko’s case. I mean who do I want to be around when ish goes down… Picard and Sisko.

                    DS9 came into it’s own with the Defiant and the Dominion War. Truthfully it is the best written and complex Trek and best ensemble. Sisko has some quality eps…In the Pale Moonight for instance. Unfortunately for him is that he got out shined by characters on his own show. Garak, Bashir (especially later seasons), Kira, Odo…

                    Totally agree with the Geordi rant…not a good ep at all, blind and he continued to get played by the ladies.

                    • DQ

                      And how do you feel about Janeway’s trek through the Delta Quadrant?

                  • amoly10

                    You are so right. That is the reason I stopped watching Star Trek after DPS9.

                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

                  Ohh…Trek talk. Yay!

                  I guess I do love Data than Picard. His android logic appealed to me. And he was awesome as Lore too. I liked it when Data got to be bad.

                  As for captains, Ben Sisko is definitely up there with Picard for me. I think they both have the perfect balance of brains and brawn. And I have a thing for bald heads.

                  However, I never got on the Kirk bandwagon though. And Janeway wasn’t bad but I think her character on Voyager, hell that whole series, could have been so much more.

                  And I also love Geordi just because they put him in a perpetual friend zone for most of the series. It seemed he always had to fall in love with holograms and chit. But he did get some eyes when TNG moved to the big screen.

                  That’s probably the best thing to come from the movies; I loved First Contact but I’ll never forgive them for that Data/B4 chit they pulled in Nemesis.

                  #EndNerdRant

                  • Datalore

                    Man, Voyager could have been so much more! The crew had so many interesting dynamics but once they softened the Marquis crew members it just wasn’t the same. Plus having no real anchor to the rest of the Federation kind of hampered them for a while. And the reliance on Seven of Nine slowed things down also. Trek does an awesome job of showing humanity through it’s unemotional characters (Spock, Data, Tuvok etc) but I don’t know Seven didn’t move me as much.

                    I can’t even speak on Nemesis…I pretend it doesn’t exist actually. I realize they had to do something with since Brent Spiner was aging but was just eh…

                    Now the reboot is great. Love seeing the resurgence of the franchise.

                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

                      Yes to this whole comment.

                      I think stranding Voyager in the Delta Quadrant started off as a good premise but they ended up writing themselves in a corner with it. No Klingons, no Romulans…No Bueno. And while they had to tame the Maquis or else the ship would never have had a chance to get home cause they were like half the crew, they also sucked the best chances for drama right out of the show.

                      I think Seven’s best contribution was allowing them to introduce the Borg Queen but even that wasn’t as juicy as it could have been.

                      And I have yet to see the reboot…I don’t know if I’m more afraid that I’ll hate it or that I’ll love it.

                  • Alvin

                    Star Wars is still better

                    • Datalore

                      Star Wars would be better if George Lucas would have just stopped writing the scripts!

                      Episodes I, II, and III had so much potential. If only he would stick to direction…

                  • http://www.twitter.com/Stank_0 Stank_0

                    Can I just say that I loved this whole Trek mini-thread.

                    I think the characters of Sisko and Picard stood out so much is due to the fact that both Avery and Patrick are Shakespearean trained actors. They became their characters.

                    Sisko is my main man, doe. He exuded a calm that you need in being on an outpost near a strategic piece of real estate.

                    • Datalore

                      Truth…they both did an awesome job with their characters. There’s a lot of great acting work in the Trekverse…

      • Squeak

        I agree with DG. Might I add that we often stop pursuing once we “conquer” what we were in pursuit of. May i suggest that in marriage this can’t be the case because people change and evolve so we have to be in constant pursuit of our woman? What she may have liked at 29 will probably turn her off at 39 and vice versa. It is possible to go a whole decade and not pay attention to someone. So I think we should be in constant pursuit, as people age, grow, adapt, we take notice.

        • Squeak

          my bad…DQ.

        • Squeak

          my bad. DQ i meant.

        • monique

          i <3 this comment.

        • DQ

          It’s all good Squeak. I take credit for great comments that DG makes ALL the time. It’s community credit.

      • http://thatswhatgemsaid.wordpress.com Gem Jones

        We are easily tempted. And there has to be a counterbalance to that programming. And I think that counterbalance is our need to find a challenge and conquer it… to win the affection of the woman who appears to be outside of your reach. To pursue, to win, and then acquire the treasure. And as long as your pursuing that treasure, you’re not focused on anything (or anyone else).

        maybe im reading too much into semantics, or perhaps mis-reading this… but i dont think this has anything to do with a man loving a woman MORE than she loves him. i think this just means a man is willing to INVEST in a woman, which he may not be inclined to do with just any ol chick.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “i think this just means a man is willing to INVEST in a woman, which he may not be inclined to do with just any ol chick.”

          thats the thing: for a guy to be willing to completely invest, he probably has to be gaga and sh*t

          • http://thatswhatgemsaid.wordpress.com Gem Jones

            AGAIN for the cheap seats: a guy being gaga and sh*t does not equate to loving her MORE than she loves him.

        • DQ

          If you’re having some issue with the idea of one person “loving the other more” I can dig that. I think it works better when the man is the pursuer, the initiator, and the one that pushes growth in the relationship. If that’s what Angie’s getting at I agree (in terms of dating, courting).

          Still even if you go with what I think is truly the core attribute of love (sacrifice) then she’s probably still right. I realize that everyone in here doesn’t necessarily follow Christian tenets, but for those that do, the man is suppose to love his woman like Christ loved the Church. There ain’t NO sacrifice bigger than what Christ did for the Church. And if you play it out in today’s world, I generally would expect that if a couple encountered danger, that the man would be willing to put his life at risk and lose it, so that she might live.

          I do not expect the same of a woman (her role is different, I expect her to put her life at risk and lose it for the sake of the child). So yeah, I think the man probably does have to put more in for things to work properly and – please believe I’m not taking a bullet for just any ol’ chick. She would have to be special (and moreover REALIZE that she’s special and act like it). And THAT is what would compel me to pursue her spurning all others. Hopefully this makes sense.

          • Squeak

            This “the man is suppose to love his woman like Christ loved the Church. There ain’t NO sacrifice bigger than what Christ did for the Church.” IS WHAT I WAS TRYING to get at down thread without coming out and saying exactly this b/c i know everyone doesn’t agree.

            This very premise saved my marriage. When I got this, it all fell into place.

          • http://thatswhatgemsaid.wordpress.com Gem Jones

            while i hear what you’re saying, i still think you agree with me. we (men and women) love each other DIFFERENTLY. we have different biological make-up and therefore different roles. how do you measure HOW MUCH and compare 2 dissimilar things (in this case “love”)??

            no one can seem to answer this question, yet you keep saying you agree with “Angie”.

            help a sista understand!

          • PoliBohoGlam

            And ^^THIS is why I spurn Bruno Mars.

            No, I will not “Do the same”, sir. I will not.

      • WIP

        This is what I’ve heard men say. They want to feel like they got a prize; perhaps someone that was ‘out of their league’; perhaps the ‘perfect’ woman in their eyes. I’m sure we’ve all heard comments like ‘I hope the baby looks like the mother’ or ‘you could do better’ (said in jest to a woman). There is a common sentiment that the man is lucky to find a great woman. That doesn’t conflict with a woman’s appreciation for a great man; it’s somewhat expected for the woman to be the “better half”- hence the terminology.

        • DQ

          I think that better half thing is probably a mutual belief. Why get with someone who doesn’t make you better? Feel me?

  • Sea Jay Bee

    There is a lot to be said about the “conqueror” mentality of the dating male. I know for sure that I have previously put in hella work to one day look around and wonder “How did I get here? Is this what I expected…where is the exit?”.

    I agree that a man has to REALLY love a woman hard because there needs to be motivation. Motivation beyond just wanting a number, wanting a dinner, a late night at home, eventually an overnight stay and subsequently the morning breakfast omelette finisher. Dudes get bored when the challenge is gone.

    The thrill of the chase is a good thing and a natural thing but it had to be paced properly. When I’m really into a woman, there is a desire for a whole lot more than most efficiently getting to the breakfast finisher omelette. Why am I going to Papyrus to find extra unique handmade-ish cards? Why am I at the florist in Old Town looking for summer orchids? Why am I cooking her favorite meals? Because she loves that stuff and it keeps the reciprocity rolling and a woman reciprocating on a regular basis is a wonderful thing.

    If you consistently come with weak stuff, how can her soul be stirred? How will she be reminded that she chose well? Every now and then a guy has to go hard in the paint just to let her know what’s good so he can watch the NBA playoffs in peace every now and then.

    • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

      If you consistently come with weak stuff, how can her soul be stirred?

      Can I get that on e-cards? And maybe stitched into a t-shirt, size large white on black? :)

    • Mrs. Dr. Evil

      “If you consistently come with weak stuff, how can her soul be stirred? How will she be reminded that she chose well?”

      ***swoons*** Powerful. Just powerful.

    • Mo-VSS

      Indeed a man needs to go hard for no other reason than this—->Every now and then a guy has to go hard in the paint just to let her know what’s good so he can watch the NBA playoffs in peace every now and then.

      Let ‘em know then!

    • Girl Kanyeshrug

      “If you consistently come with weak stuff, how can her soul be stirred? How will she be reminded that she chose well?”

      This made me feel warm all over…
      O
      M
      G

    • Squeak

      real talk.

    • monique

      SJB is a wise man.

    • Please, No Photos

      “If you consistently come with weak stuff, how can her soul be stirred? How will she be reminded that she chose well?”

      That’s what SHE said! She selfish.

    • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      When is this Chi-town VSB rooftop thing again? I need to be around your essence more often. ;)

      • naturalista88

        If Mother Nature continues to show her @ss, probably never *lol*.

        • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

          OK?! Especially today, man. WHY did it look like “Pitch Black 2″ could be shot in Chicago a few minutes ago? Lawd.

    • Yeah…So

      Ooooh… I could give this comment omelette finishers everyday for the rest.of.its.life.

      • Sea Jay Bee

        Wowsers