Why I’ll Never Vote For A Republican

"Sorry for missing your party, big guy. The invite must have gone to my spam folder or something"

I live approximately a mile away from Ava/Shadow Lounge — a popular local venue that hosts everything from hardcore hip-hop to “hipster music” shows, houses numerous parties and community events, and seems to have hidden forces determined to make it the area’s latest gentrification casualty. It’s no exaggeration to say I’ve been there at least 100 times (and possibly as many as 200) in the last five years.

It nests on the corner of Baum Boulevard and Highland Avenue. If you stand on Baum and Highland and look a block down the street, you can see Capri Bar, another venue that houses numerous parties and events. And, this block distance isn’t one of those New York City-esque two mile long blocks, either. I won’t lie and say that it’s so close that I can throw a football from Ava/Shadow to Capri, but Cam Newton probably could.

Yet, despite the fact that Capri usually has decent DJs, always has available parking, draws decent-sized crowds, and has a couple distinct advantages over Shadow/Ava (they serve food, and their bar has TVs), I’ve been to Capri maybe five times in the last three years.

Now, I know the owner of Ava/Shadow pretty well, and I’m also pretty cool with many of the bartenders and bouncers, but that alone doesn’t explain why I’m 50 times more likely to attend an event there than one at Capri. It — my less than positive feelings about Capri — all comes down to the fact that I just don’t like the crowd Capri usually draws. Like I mentioned before, the venues and the weekend events held at each venue aren’t really all that dissimilar. And, they’re only 70 yards away from each other. But, something about Capri attracts a crowd that’s just a little sketchier than the typical Ava/Shadow crowd, and I don’t feel as comfortable there.

Now, if you read today’s title and also at least managed to graduate from middle school, you probably surmised that this Ava/Capri conundrum is a long-winded analogy for my feelings about the Democratic and Republican parties. You’re correct. It is. You’re probably also assuming that I’m going to preface the rest of this piece by saying something like “Even though that analogy is far from perfect, I still think that….” If you made this assumption, you’re incorrect. The Ava/Capri conundrum is in fact a perfect representation of my feelings about both parties, and perfectly encapsulates why I’d never vote for a f*cking republican.

Becoming moderate usually means that you’re either moving from right to left or from left to right. Basically, most people don’t really become moderate, that’s just where they happen to currently be as they make their move from one side of the political spectrum to another. For as long as I’ve been politically aware, though, I can’t remember ever leaning liberal or conservative. I was born sitting on a fence, and I’ve neither seen nor heard no good reason to jump off any time soon. No wonder why I’m so bowlegged.

Perhaps the main reason why I’ve been able to entertain arguments and theories (well, intelligent and reasonable arguments and theories) from both sides is because, well, I just don’t think (intelligent and reasonable) democrats and (intelligent and reasonable) republicans are all that different. It’s popular to make it seem like choosing between the two is a life or death proposition, but, from a sheer policy perspective, it’s really no different than deciding between Red Lobster and The Olive Garden.

I don’t think Republican/conservative policy is inherently racist or sexist or stupid or wrong, and I also don’t believe that “a person with Republican/conservative beliefs” = “a stupid or sexist or racist person.” It’s just a difference in beliefs, and I can think of numerous occasions when I listened to someone like David Frum or George Will or even Andrew Sullivan and thought “Damn. That was a great point.”

I realize my opinion isn’t exactly universal. I’m sure there will be many staunch democrats reading this who think I’m absolutely, categorically wrong, and that voting for republicans is like voting for syphilis. But, despite the difference in perception, our actions are the same. The staunch liberal thinks “Republican” = “burning urination,” and they never vote for republicans. I think “Republican” = “unlimited salad and breadsticks,” and I also never vote for republicans.

Our actions align because of one simple point: My issues with republicans are all about people.

Whether it’s the message or the policies or the platform, something about the modern Republican party just continues to attract people like Todd Akin and the type of people who’d still vote for Todd Akin and the type of people who think so little of Black people that they’ll brazenly throw peanuts at Black camerawomen at densely populated events. And, I will never willingly align myself with people like that.

I realize “never” is pretty extreme. And, as I mentioned before, I know their parties probably aren’t all that different than the parties I usually attend. Still, republicans could be passing out free pancakes and p*ssy at the door, but until they do something about the type of people their parties attract, I’ll keep my ass across the street.

—Damon Young (aka “The Champ”)

  • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

    I’m registered to vote as an independent, and consider myself a moderate. Most of my local races are non-partisan, but I’ve voted for both D’s and R’s in the past. Of the Republicans I immediately recall voting for, one is now deceased, the other retired. They were not of the current far right ilk that’s in this conservative-off pi$$ing contest we witnessed in the Republican primaries

    • http://valsotherblog.wordpress.com Val

      If Republicans didn’t practice the Southern Strategy, they would probably get at least 50% of the Black vote. As a large percentage of Black Americans are decidedly Conservative.

      But as it stands the Republican Party is a dying Party. So-called Hispanics aren’t voting for them and neither are younger voters or African Americans. So as White Baby boomers die, so shall the Party. And Baby boomers have started their decline.

      In 10 years the Republican Party will be a fringe Party and a centrist Libertarian Party will have taken its place, IMO.

      • https://twitter.com/#!/mackaroto Jay

        In 10 years the Republican Party will be a fringe Party and a centrist Libertarian Party will have taken its place, IMO.

        We should all be so lucky. But you may be onto something. Maybe the creation of the Tea Party is a sign that the Republican Party is in its death throes.

        • http://valsotherblog.wordpress.com Val

          @Jay

          Yep, the Tea Party is nearing its expiry date. They only exist as a reaction to President Obama. So once Obama is gone they will have no motivation. And since the Tea Party and the Republican Party have become one, the Republican Party will die off when the Tea Party does. At least I hope so.

          • Rewind

            I want to believe that. But there are a lot of young angry people out there who don’t think the Democrats can do a damn thing for them. It could be like you said, a reaction to Obama, especially because many of these angry people are young White Southerners or rich White Northerners spoiled by their parent’s politics. In the end though, I’d count more on them to vote than any other group of young people, because we are so fickle when we don’t get immediate results. I’d like to think better of my generation, but i can’t.

      • http://uphereoncloud9.wordpress.com Wu Young, AOM

        “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R – SC

        This is a quote from one of the sane ones.

        • http://twitter.com/tylerg_thomas tgtaggie

          Lindsay, DeMint and Gov. Nikki love to make SC look bad. lol.

          • http://uphereoncloud9.wordpress.com/ Wu Young, Agent of M.E.

            Which is sad because Graham is usually smart about his. DeMintt spends all of his time fellating tea partiers in other states. Nikki’s fame is odd. Outside of her being a minority having her at the RNC wasn’t smart considering the bulk of the GOP here doesn’t like her.

            • http://twitter.com/tylerg_thomas tgtaggie

              Nikki wouldn’t been elected if it wasn’t for the Tea Party. She is arguably one of the most incompetent politicians I have ever seen (probably one of the main reasons why most of her party in SC hates her).

              Vincent Sheheen could’ve done more for this state in the last two years than what Nikki could do in two terms.

              • http://uphereoncloud9.wordpress.com/ Wu Young, Agent of M.E.

                Nikki has done nothing but look like a fool. I’m still waiting on them to dredge the port but, eh..

      • https://twitter.com/#!/IluminatiNYC Todd

        I personally hope so. If you pay attention to the youth of the Republican party, it’s much less Alex Keaton and much more Ron Paul types. Though I think the social conservatives will never completely die out. They’ll just get lip service every 4 years and roll out.

      • Sigma_Since 93

        “If Republicans didn’t practice the Southern Strategy, they would probably get at least 50% of the Black vote. As a large percentage of Black Americans are decidedly Conservative.”

        Better still 90% of Blacks were Republicans pre Civil Rights Movement.

      • http://www.twitter.com/Bmorebmw Tentpole

        Since 1960 there have been more GOP presidents than Democrats. I don’t think they are on the ropes yet.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        “But as it stands the Republican Party is a dying Party. So-called Hispanics aren’t voting for them and neither are younger voters or African Americans. So as White Baby boomers die, so shall the Party. And Baby boomers have started their decline.”

        I don’t know if I can agree with this. Aside from the fact that their numbers are in the tens of millions, people tend to get more conservative as they get older. A good percentage of those liberal young voters will probably lean republican eventually

        • Rewind

          Yea but we’ve seen that only from older people of this past century. The baby boomers, the same hippies and free lovers that gave the world so many drugs, Woodstock, and rock stars that are important to culture period, all turned face eventually. I only think that though because they believed the change should have ended with them, that things shouldn’t have kept progressing. Isn’t that why so many older people say “back in my day, it was so much better!”. Nostalgia is one-sided.

          I’d like to believe that the youth of this generation have learned enough about progression that people will not remain the same forever, and that we have changed a lot in the past 100 years, so we should encourage more change in the future.

          • http://valsotherblog.wordpress.com Val

            I agree, Rewind, that White Baby Boomers are different. I think that’s because they experienced a major change in the racial dynamics in this country. And obviously many don’t like it. Which is why there is a Tea Party.

            • Rewind

              True indeed. I feel like people in general only want to base reality on their own interpretations and are not concerned about the well-being of others if it interferes with their own personal ambitions or outlook. Which makes no sense, because many things in life that people are against truly has nothing to do with them personally, yet they feel it is in their power to tell someone else how the world should be.

  • https://twitter.com/SaucedChi Cheech

    I agree with this post. I’m having a similar problem with my high school friends, The term “gotdamn liberals” comes up so much when I’m around them that if i got a dollar for every time I heard it I’m pulling five figures no joke. The policies that these new Republicans are so ridiculous that I can’t take them seriously at all yet there are millions of people who think these guys have the right idea. And my republican “friends” tend to ostracize anyone who doesn’t follow their viewpoints calling them idiots and such so I decided not to hang out with them until after the election lol

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “I agree with this post.”

      LOL, so basically you just agree with the title, but nothing else.

  • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

    Because I have a uterus, I’ll never vote Republican. Because I am black, I will never vote Republican. Because I am literate, I will never vote Republican. And lastly, because I care about people I will never vote Republican.

    Something about how every move they make, every law they break, makes me feel unsafe as a black woman in my home country. Every dumb decision that’s handed down to the red states, my home states, I feel like a personal slap to my face.

    “We’re not gonna teach kids to be safe when they have sex; abstinence God is the way, and if they get pregnant we’ll cut their funding to care for their children and shame them in the streets. We care about the people, enough to raise their taxes but do nothing with said taxes to help them. ” Republican logic isn’t gonna get us anywhere but back in shackles (mentally or physically, literally or figuratively, I’m not sure).

    • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

      Cohesive, concise and less charged response:

      I don’t agree with their policies. I don’t agree with how they plan to steer the company country. And…that’s it.

      • Rewind

        United States of America? Nope

        United Sales of Assests.

    • http://panamaenrique.wordpress.com Malik

      This. Minus me having a uterus part. To call the Democrats the lesser of two evils between the two implies that they’re within the same stratosphere of evil. They are not. The Republicans are proudly goose-stepping right into fascist territory. Not hyperbolic liberal college student fascist territory, but in the most literal way possible as far as ideology and implementing laws is concerned.

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        Exactly. When all the platforms you’re passing are strategically stripping certain sets of people of their rights, yet you continue to blatantly do so and grab your conglomerate figurative nuts in a “and whut nucca?” way? Can’t do it. Won’t do it.

      • bhillboy

        Malik- Agreed.

      • http://LEARNINGlover.com AfterMath

        Pretty much. And the funny thing is that they’re the ones throwing the names like Hitler and Stalin at Obama.

        • Rewind

          Pot calling the kettle a burn victim…aint that funny?

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        “This. Minus me having a uterus part. To call the Democrats the lesser of two evils between the two implies that they’re within the same stratosphere of evil. They are not. The Republicans are proudly goose-stepping right into fascist territory.”

        Yeah, I don’t know if I agree with this. I think the current republican party is being influenced by a very loud and very passionate group of extremists, but I still wouldn’t call the party itself evil. They just need an exorcism.

        • Rewind

          The mere fact that they allowed two various groups, one so soaked in religious bullshyte that even Jesus would hold his nose and scream “oh God, are you serious?”, and the other group so committed to the principles of the Founding Fathers that I’m surprised they haven’t jacked a costume store in Williamsburg, Virginia just to look the part of past-time Americans is a gotdamn shame.

          But it in the end, it’s all about the money. The party only follows the orders of these two groups because they want money. So it’s gone beyond selling your soul for a dollar for that party. They sold an entire future. That’s just wrong.

        • http://remthemulatto.blogspot.com The Mulatto

          “They just need an exorcism.”

          Well put. I think the Tea Party is full of people who would never admit it but don’t want to see a black President and/or Democrat succeed. Those people that can’t quite put their finger on what it is exactly they don’t like about this President until they are spoon fed falsehoods that give them justification.

          I’d also blame it on the money. Republicans are out for those that will keep their campaigns funded rather than the whole of America. So they will fight to keep their job before they fight for what they believe in.

          This election will be an example of whether or not that subtle negativity and the inability to understand those that are different from you (black, gay, poor, immigrant, etc.) plus unlimited money on your side will win out against progress, positive change, and community.

          When the Republicans stop trying to fight America and start trying to help America, the Republican party will rise again.. And I’ll be happy to lean further to the right once again.

          • Jason

            Ultimately democrats are going to split into many different faction. Although blacks are pro immigration, which is not beneficial to them, Hispanics are going to gain more political clout and take what little political power the black community already possesses.

        • http://panamaenrique.wordpress.com Malik

          Naw, they’re evil. One side is actively put in efforts to make it illegal for significant portions of the population to vote, is constantly putting forth bills to deny the human anatomy of 52% of the nation, is promoting historical revision so there will less a “minority aggression”, is banning literature on a statewide level if it does not endorse the “white is right” message, and wants to give businesses carte blanche to do whatever they want from drilling which would poison waters, having insurance companies deny children medical coverage, and so on and so forth. They are evil. They want less rights and opportunities for people to literally be able to live and function in this country.

          • http://www.facebook.com/chris.c.chinedu Nedu

            Had to come out of lurk mode to applaud… Well said Sir

          • Rewind

            Just go get converted to a pastor ASAP because that was gospel.

          • legitimate_soul

            Yes!

        • Omar

          “They just need an exorcism.”

          …or an enema.

          • Rewind

            That’s a lot of shyte to clean up. And they don’t seem to think too highly of Mexicans do they?

            Oh the webs they weave.

    • http://twitter.com/kjnetic Sith King Jordan

      “. We care about the people, enough to raise their taxes but do nothing with said taxes to help them. ”

      in defense of the Elephants, as i understand it, their reasoning for this, is to close the deficit…two option are out there, cut spending, or raise taxes…raising taxes (apparently/allegedly) does a number on the economy…so cutting taxes and cutting spending on programs to close the deficit is (apparently/allegedly) their gameplan

      i say apparently/allegedly because this is what i’m understanding their platform to be…i’m sure someone will correct me, lol.

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        Cutting spending and raising taxes are perfectly fine. However, spend my taxes on schools. Spend my taxes on creating better roads, better paying my future children’s teachers, better preparing my police officers. Spend the money you milk from me in a way that benefits us all not just the people who paid for your yacht and who’s grandfather’s grandfather went country clubbin’ with your own. Nepotism is what got us where we are now and raising taxes while doing absolutely nothing beneficial with the money seems to run in that particular Elephant family.

        • Rewind

          It’s funny how supporting anything that has to do with people that make less than $100,000 a year seems to just be WRONG to the Republicans, yet every cent they make comes from people under that price mark. I don’t care who they are, every rich person on the planet has a poor person to thank for spending what little they have and adding it to a fortune they could never hope to see or touch.

          And yet there are so many poor people stupid enough to think the Republicans have their back.

          • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

            The Religious and the Redneck are the folk you speak of voting these people in, mostly out of xenophobia. Their ignorance, complex disregard for reading (but objective love and selective memory of Bible verses) and fear of losing whatever “social status” they have is what drives them forward towards the polls for these folks who tell them it’s right to fear anybody different and that they’re gonna “take their country back.”

            *sighs and shakes head*

            • Rewind

              Which I find to be funny for the poor white folks out there, because I can’t imagine why remaining poor and white is something you want to keep a choke hold on.

              • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                Because in their mind, they may be poor, uninsured and illiterate, but at least they aren’t black.

                • DQ

                  Ding! Ding! Ding!

                  That’s it right there.

                • Deviant

                  Exactly.

                • Rewind

                  Just like Chris Rock said

                  • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                    My mentor was my history tutor for awhile and in one of the history books he had it said pretty much that; when black people were freed they were on equal footing with the poor whites at the time in the eyes of the upper class, but for the upper class to receive support (and social obedience) from their lower class counterparts they had to convince them that they were indeed the same as white people and better than the black people. It’s still working. Look at Mississippi.

                    • Rewind

                      Oh trust I know, I did my histroy research too. They convinced the Irish, Germans, Itlalians and any other nonBritish descendant that when they took up strikes for higher pay, the blacks would work for less and no jobs would be available. So they pissed off the poor whites into demonizing the Blacks, and even the Chinese, and here we are today, with the same logic working perfectly.

                    • emperor_domi

                      One of the early chapters of A People’s History of the United States articulates that very point. It’s sad that they are blind to that. The rich and wealthy do not have the poor or anyone else’s interests anywhere in their minds, only rich/wealthy WASP men.

                • http://pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

                  LOL that is totally what they’re thinking. Which… if they realized that the only color that truly matters is green, they’d realize Romney and co gives ZERO f**ks about them post-election. They just want their vote. Like someone on Twitter said, if you make more than 250,000 a year vote Romney, if less, vote Obama. lol

        • demondog06

          damn girl! you are wise beyond your years

          vote tes in12′

          • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

            Well thank you ^_^

            Too young for the 2012 ballot, but maybe when there’s not so much red tape and money behind a political career I’d consider it. I’m thinking 2025 or so lol

            • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

              *2024 *
              -_- See? I’m not ready. Don’t even have my own editor following me around on these mean blog streets yet

      • DQ

        There really is no defense of the Elephants on this one… They come off as phony because they are. When they had a chance to do something about the deficit, they responded by increasing it. Never was there a worse example of profligate spending than under Bush and the Republicans; a fact which they conveniently forget… often.

        They never accounted for their international Regime Change Campaign in their budgets (Iraq & Afghanistan) and pretend these costs magically appeared with the election of Barack. They never explained how we paid for Medicare Part D or how to make up for the loss of revenue from the Bush tax cuts. Those were supposed to create the jobs that they are criticizing Barack for not having ironically enough.

        They are simply not to be believed on anything. The same people who pretend to care about black people, or women’s issues, or Medicare… it’s like they think they can pretend the last 20 years didn’t exist, and we don’t remember that they have been ardently against ALL of them.

        It’s not that compassionate conservatism is an oxymoron, it’s that there isn’t one adherent among them in the Republican party. There is not an ounce of compassion that has driven ANY of their platforms. Not one ounce.

        • http://valsotherblog.wordpress.com Val

          @DQ

          ” When they had a chance to do something about the deficit, they responded by increasing it.”

          The Republicans have been looking for a way to increase the deficit to current day levels for decades. Their plan is that if the deficit is high enough then they can cut, eliminate or privatize the social programs they hate.

          That’s why they argue for tax cuts all of the time. They want to decrease revenue so they can carry out their plan.

          • DQ

            I don’t know that there was a wink and a nod by the Republican party to run up the deficit for the express purpose of being able to attack what they describe as entitlements but they are certainly using the situation to do just that. I don’t doubt that some helped to orchestrate the deficit with this end in mind, I just don’t think it was a party-wide conspiracy (so to speak). In any event, it makes it comical (if not painful) to see the media allow Republicans to pretend like they want to preserve Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. I mean Ryan was nothing less than theatrical during the convention when he acted as though Obama was the threat to Medicare. When will they ever make Republican candidates square their rhetoric with their ideology and platform?

            • http://valsotherblog.wordpress.com Val

              @DQ

              It’s not a conspiracy because it’s out in the open. It’s called “Starve the Beast”. And it’s a Republican strategy that’s been around for decades.

              You can read about it here;
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

              And if you’re waiting for mainstream media to tell the American people what’s really going on you’ll be waiting forever.

        • Lola’s Mambo

          @DQ – I am a political science major… I have never wanted to F**K someone as much as I want to do YOU RIGHT NOW!

          • Rewind

            Damn, now I wish I had said something smart.

      • nillalatte

        I wouldn’t get so damn negative if the republicans could remember history a lot better than they do currently (or ever for that matter). Our nation wouldn’t be in this mess if it weren’t for (not going to say GWB specifically) but republican policies in general. I can’t think of one, not one, republican policy or piece of legislation that has had near the positive impact that most of the democratic policies have had on our society going back to Reagan. In fact, I’ll go even further and say that I know of no act of deregulation has benefited the American people in terms of jobs or quality of services.

        Every republican I knew back in the day when Clinton was in office screamed bloody hell when FMLA was passed and how bad it was for businesses. Yet, they were the first to take advantage of that legislation.

        Right now, ARRA passed and insurance companies are sending refunds for unused premiums. Every republican I know (which aren’t many) raised (and are still raising hell about ARRA), but you know they RAN to the bank with their damn refund from their insurance company.

        Hypocrites. Gotta love ‘em.

        • demondog06

          yeah i loved how Paul Ryan and some of these other neo-cons, railed against the stimulus package but quietly behind closed doors wrote letters trynna get in on some off that federal dough.

          i followed the repulbican convention, and it just made my blood boil lava!

    • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People
      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        ^^^^ Exactly that.

      • https://twitter.com/#!/mackaroto Jay

        Nice.

      • Rewind

        Now that was just great.

      • mellow.

        perfect.

      • http://pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

        I want this entire thing on a t-shirt.

    • Thai

      “Because I am literate, I will never vote Republican.”

      I wonder how many people truly understand how much you just said in that seemingly simple line. Preach!

    • legitimate_soul

      Agreed!

    • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

      @Tes:
      “Because I have a uterus, I’ll never vote Republican.”

      O: This is an interesting statement.

      Tes, may I ask: what, to your mind, is meant by the term “reproductive rights”?

      O.

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        Reproductive rights means that I, and the person I decide to have a child with (if we decide to have a child at all) get to decide, when and how many we’ll have. It also means that he and I can do so without being shamed in the street.

        • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          Also, the rights to comprehensive sexual education, birth control and other forms of contraception. Forgot to mention that previously, although it is equally important.

    • JW

      Wow, awesome post!

  • AfroPetite

    I came in voting as “Unaffiliated” in 2008 and will remain as such. Voting a straight Democrat ticket never really appealed to me even though both of my parents follow this practice. Not all Democrats have my best interest at heart and the same goes for Republicans. I will say that the Republicans have truly been showing their a$$es as of late and I’m scared for my vagina.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      this is true, there are some truly shitty democrats out there. but, a vote for a singular republican is a vote for the republican party, and I don’t want to party with n*ggas who have worms.

      • MJoy

        eeeeeek

    • Rewind

      I get your point. The polling system is jaded.

      Everytime I go to vote, it’s like “so let me get this straight….if I vote Democrat, then that’s one less Republican vote, but if I vote Independent, that’s one less Democrat vote and a better chance for the Republican because there’s no way in hell the Independents are getting a shot?” Fawk it”.

      • Justmetheguy

        ““so let me get this straight….if I vote Democrat, then that’s one less Republican vote, but if I vote Independent, that’s one less Democrat vote and a better chance for the Republican because there’s no way in hell the Independents are getting a shot?” Fawk it”.”

        Rewind….dude…I promise you when I read that quote I thought about creating 3 more screennames so I could come back and co-sign that ish 3 more times! That’s the best point I’ve seen all day. It’s the current conundrum I find myself in and I know I’m not the only one. It’s extremely frustrating because I’m more empathetic to Democrats than Republicans so I think Libertarians and Democrats need to come together and put pressure on both the Libertarian party and the Democratic party to make the appropriate changes so that we maximize our voting power without minimizing each other’s concerns and beliefs. THAT would be TRUE progress imo

        • Rewind

          Seriously dude…that’s what I want in life. I am so tired of this connundrum bullshtye where I’m told I have a choice, but the reality is I never had one to begin with.

          My only issue is that every Independent basically stands like Chris Rocks says, “conversative about some things, liberal about others”. Which is fine, but since there are only two major parties that count as either pro or con, playing middle ground is never getting us anywhere. I find it to be unfair, but you have a point, the Democrats need to quit bytching up and allow the Independents to feel welcome. It would do wonders in the end.

          • http://missrosen.wordpress.com/ esa

            ~ I am so tired of this connundrum bullshtye where I’m told I have a choice, but the reality is I never had one to begin with.

            you DO have a choice, it is just not the choice that is being given to you by the power structure. that is all smoke and mirrors to breed fear, division, and antagonism as a means to exhausted complacency (ie depression ie ineffectiveness, thus the power structure remains untouchable because everyone is lost in trying to prove or disprove an illusion). which is like, the best trick the devil could ever pull. you can’t shadowbox with a lie.

            the conundrum, as i see it, is whether or not to actualize Your Choice on Your Terms, or to continue to listen to what other people tell you about yourself.

            • Rewind

              Hmmm…that is an interesting way to put it. We get indoctrinated into believing playing by the system is the only way to live, but that’s not true. People just get scared to try because they would lose their privilieges.

    • AfroPetite

      Phuck it, I’m just going to start stripping and living life how I want to.

      *Bands uh make me danceeeeeeee*

      • Justmetheguy

        Pops bands on AfroPetite (hopin not all of her is petite ;)

        • Corey

          Yeah I heard her uh…..”afro” is quite full!

  • http://twitter.com/kjnetic Sith King Jordan

    i really feel you on this. to keep it 100, i don’t care for radical republicans, or radical democrats, i really feel they’re the same, stuck in extremist thinking, believing that their way is the only way for a *representative* democracy will work.

    personally i believe in a little bit in both. i’m a social conservative, but i recognize what works for me, wouldnt work for another person, and as such i have a ‘hands off’ policy in certain arenas (abortion, LGBT marriage)…if anything, i would be a ‘pragmatic’.

    however considering what i saw at the RNC, and the vibe i got from being around RNC delegates in 2000 (long story short, i worked around delegates when they came to philadelphia)…if i wanted to get into government, and make a difference, i’d probably have to sign up as a democrat. i know that there are respectable republicans, but it seems like the overwhelming majority of republicans are hellbent on working for a government that is reduced, that has a hands-off policy on all things business minded *but not social programs, assisting the less fortunate, abortion, gay marriage, etc.*…

    in short, it seems like the Republicans desire to run this government like a business, and the fundamental purpose of a representative republican democracy, IMO, is NOT to be a business, but to help and protect its citizens.

    sithkingjordan for prez ’36

    • AfroPetite

      “in short, it seems like the Republicans desire to run this government like a business, and the fundamental purpose of a representative republican democracy, IMO, is NOT to be a business, but to help and protect its citizens.”

      THIS.

      • https://twitter.com/#!/mackaroto Jay

        Exactly. This eloquently sums up why I would never vote Republican:

        http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/387169_413253542056173_1793887802_n.jpg

        • Rewind

          For a while now, I’ve been pondering on the barter system and the creation of money.

          Money is imaginary. There is no need for profits, but it is a system designed to reward people to do tasks that normally they would not do for free. Which is weird because at some point in early civilization, humans actually did things out of curiousity. I get that there are way too many people today, and that if all resources were free as God intended, we’d have absolutely nothing left, because greed would be the king. But you can’t tell me there’s no better way after almost 2000 years of money being the only barter system that have kept people in specific groups. There has to be.

          • Justmetheguy

            Seriously, Rewind’s stealin all my thoughts today. I wonder what people would live their lives like if they didn’t have to constantly do things they didn’t really want to for money…there’s gotta be a better system of exchange and it just may come about organically given the way the current economic system is getting exposed.

            • Rewind

              Haha I guess we got that psychic link going on.

              I don’t know man…I feel like one day money won’t exist but there will be some kind of a replacement that makes people just as ignorant and ruthless. That’s what we have to amend, a way to get people to do things without that arrogance that comes along with assimilating wealth.

              • mellow.

                question-no sarcasm..in order to get to this monetarily deficient society though, would the those that hold all the wealth and their families have to die? I just can’t imagine that they would ever get to a point where the accumulation of wealth was no longer a driving force for them … or would our new metric for wealth come to trump what once was? would this be OUR tea party movement where we take our wealth back?

                • Rewind

                  See that’s a question that bothers me. I’m not saying those who amassed wealth have to die or anything of the sort. I’d just like to see a new system besides money, but I can’t think of anything that would work. No matter what, the world needs a barter system, and no matter what idea you come up with, there’s going to be something resembling money. People are lazy by nature at this point, and greedy as hell through circumstance. I can’t see people just doing this for the sake of survival and advancement, it always has to be about their own gain. That’s why we are where we are now.

    • https://twitter.com/#!/mackaroto Jay

      sithkingjordan for prez ’36

      F*ck that. I remember what happened the last time a Sith was allowed to rule. ***continues sharpening lightsaber***

      • http://twitter.com/kjnetic Sith King Jordan

        you know what…lemme sneak into the senate real quick…

        elminatealljays theyknowtoomuch ’30 lol

        • DeKeLa

          You got my vote just for having Lelouch as your avatar. Where do I donate?

          But seriously. Politics is a fcuking joke.

      • Rewind

        Just look for the nygga with the burnt tire face.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “in short, it seems like the Republicans desire to run this government like a business, and the fundamental purpose of a representative republican democracy, IMO, is NOT to be a business, but to help and protect its citizens.”

      good point

  • nsu1997

    If you look hard enough you’ll find idiots, zealots, & azzholes among any group… IJS

    • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

      But with this particular party we don’t have to look hard. They keep their crazy out on the front porch in a lawn chair.

      • naturalista88

        Guzzling moonshine w/a loaded shotgun by their side.

        • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com Tristan

          Lol the visual

      • Thai

        Funny thing is what we deem as them exhibiting crazy behavior is normal for them LOL. They don’t hide sh*t. It’s all there. I swear sometimes one of them be thinking “Yea and my ancestors did own a few of your ancestors…and?” Just…the ish that comes out of their mouths DAILY!!!

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “If you look hard enough you’ll find idiots, zealots, & azzholes among any group… IJS”

      this is true, but when one group attracts the type of crazy that actively wishes for my suppression and/or demise, I’ll go with the other crazy

    • Rewind

      Except I don’t worry about them controlling the country that would in turn tell me who I am, where I am supposed to be, what to do, and what my purpose is in life.

    • Omar

      True, but the republicans have a knack for giving the crazies the mic. I don’t really see as much of that from democrats.

      Having actual republican congress people cater to the tea party is like have democratic congress people cater to black hebrew isrealites.

  • http://blackmedici.wordpress.com Black Medici

    I think anyone below the age of 30 nowadays looks with disdain at the kind of politicians that we have today, even Obama. His supporters are more in love with what he represents than what he is in reality. However, when it’s all said and done, the future trend in politics is libertarianism on the right and environmentalism on the left. Our current political dialogue is on the way out and is simply a result of the older generations inability to let go of a broken system.

    All that being said, I would vote for “the chair” if he ran on the republican ticket.

    • bhillboy

      I’d vote for an empty chair on a stage in Tampa before I’d vote Romney/ Republican.

    • http://voodoochile88.tumblr.com/ Craig and Dem

      “I think anyone below the age of 30 nowadays looks with disdain at the kind of politicians that we have today, even Obama. His supporters are more in love with what he represents than what he is in reality”

      I thought I was the only one who realized this. Afro-Americans only look at Prez. Barack as this black savior of equality in American and forget that he’s a politician. And what is the job of the politician children? TO GET ELECTED!

      • Deviant

        I’m an American with an afro and I don’t think Obama is a savior of any kind.

        Can I get you a dustpan?

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “I think anyone below the age of 30 nowadays looks with disdain at the kind of politicians that we have today, even Obama.”

      not under 30 so I can’t speak on this. any of you young bucks out there want to address this?

      • Justmetheguy

        I’m 26 and I co-sign the sentiment as well. So few of them (diehard Obama fans) can tell me why Obama’s policies are better than the 3rd party’s policies. That’s the discussion worth having, not whether or not Republicans as a whole are racist idiots (obviously they are). If it’s about policy then talk policy to me. I see too many self-proclaimed (under 30) liberals diss Independent voters and insult Ron Paul AND his supporters (without giving a reasonable explanation why Democratic policies would be better and more feasible for the country) then try to recruit us after they’ve insulted us and told us that it would be a waste for us to vote for the candidate that we agree with the most. They choose to insult our intelligence rather than discussing the issues with us like reasonable adults would. With that strategy you sound just like the people you hate most (The Republicans)

        • King Tremain

          Ok. Here’s three quick reasons why I support the president:

          1. I believe women should be paid the same amount as men, and if they find out they’re receiving less, they should have some recourse. Even if tey find out retroactively. Obama passed the Lilly Ledbetter act, which allows this.

          2. I don’t believe in trickle down economics. Tax cuts fr the rich don’t trickle down to the middle class and poor. They just result in rich people hoarding more money. I believe taxes should be returned to levels during the Clinton years. This will reduce the deficit withou breaking the backs of the poor and working class. Obama wants to raise taxes by 3 percent on those who make more than 250k. Republicans want to cut social services door the poor and working class.

          3. I believe in stimulus spending (infrastructure, grants, etc) not austerity. Europe is currently engaged in a huge austerity movement which is why their current recession is much worst than ours

          4. I believe gay people should be left the heck alone. I think they should have the rights that go along with marriage(health benefits, adoption, wills, etc). Republicans are completely opposed to marriage equality

          5. The health care reform bill (once fully enacted) will allow for a much more fair and equal system than we currently have.

          I could go on and on, but Im busy with work. Your comment says more abou your intellectual laziness thanit does about Obama’s policies. It’s very easy to inform yourself of the difference between the two parties. You’re just to lazy to do so.

        • King Tremain

          Obama also reduced bank subsidies by 60 billion and redirected 36 billion to Pell grants making college easier for students to attend college. Republicans opposed this because theyre opposed to all government programs.

          In addition, Obama has a more comprehensive energy policy. Brazil, China, Germany and others are all blowing America out of te water in alternative energy. People can say what they want, but these forms of alternative energy are going to become viable eventually. Whoever is at the forefront will reap the benefits. The republicans don’t care about any of that. Only “drill baby drill”.

          • http://blackmedici.wordpress.com Black Medici

            I get all the points that you made, and I don’t think you’re wrong by any means. Certainly Obama has passed a lot of legislation that is in favor of things that people who identify themselves as progressive support. There is no doubt about that, however, these are thing which are by default, ideological. Basically, Obama has passed legislation, for the most part which is line with your ideologies. There’s nothing wrong with that.

            However, these things, like most things done by both parties are concerned with ideological ideas, i.e. things that are by divisive given the history and nature of our republic, they’ve been debated for centuries in one way, shape or form and the other, and they will always be around. However, the primary purpose of government is to protect our freedom and secure our freedom. These things are not open to ideological debate. We all want more freedom, and we all want to feel safe in the nation that we choose to reside in. This is best represented in our standard of living. The better our standard of living, the more free we are and the more secure we feel. Both parties are failing in that regard. The standard of living for Americans has been on a downward slide for over 40 years. There have been republicans and democrats in power during those times and though they’ve given us several bubbles of wealth and losses of wealth, the bottom line is that our standard of living is on the decline and none of the parties has done anything significant to stop this decline.

            Ultimately a party shouldn’t be judged by what it does today, but what it is doing today with the purpose of the future. The fact of the matter is when we look at the parties form that point of view, it’s quite easy to conclude that both parties are incompetent in performing the primary purpose of their jobs. They don’t need to be the same for that to be the case.

        • Jelly Jam

          The whole libertarian thing is crazy to me because that segment of the population seems to be arguing for a time that really wasn’t that golden. A time when the gov’t was limited and as a result, we had wide disparities in healthcare, education, housing, food, etc. Now, you can say that we have all that now, but IMO, that’s largely due to the “drowning and strangling of the federal baby (gov’t)” over the last 40 years by plutocrats. Anyway, the libertarian vomit about “states rights” and “limited gov’t” is an old argument that we saw played out during the time of Lincoln and slavery as well as the Great Depression. It’s the United States of America, and we all need to fall in line for a reason…for the equitable benefit of all our citizens. Besides, I’ve watched some of these same states rights politicians turn right around and castrate the local gov’ts in their cities who want to be innovative. Hypocrites.

          Anyway, I don’t like Ron Paul because of the following policy ideas:

          - He wants to eliminate the Dept of Energy, Education and Human and Health Services
          - He wants to cut funding for the FDA, CDC, NIH, EPA
          - He wants to eliminate foreign aid
          - He would like to run Medicare/welfare into block grants.
          - He wants to slash the corporate tax rate like they need lower taxes.
          - Repatriation. (Never worked. Never will.)
          - He is for extending the Bush tax cuts
          - He wants to cut taxes for capital gains and dividends
          - He wants to sell federal lands and other assets (So some company can buy it and drill, blow off a mountain top and/or put a parking lot on it.)
          - Repeal Affordable Healthcare Act
          - Repeal Dodd-Frank
          - Killing Medicare and Social Security with opt-outs rather than finding ways to strengthen it
          - He opposes campaign finance reform (Pro-Citizens United/Anti-taxpayer-funded public campaign financing.)
          - He wants to cut federal aid for higher education.
          - He doesn’t believe in climate change and opposes a switch to renewable energy.
          - Also, we just don’t agree because he’s anti-gay, anti-woman, and anti-black.

          The ONLY things I agree with Paul about are cutting defense spending and auditing the fed. Usually, those are the two things I hear Ron Paul supporters yelling about (that and legalizing marijuana, which I support, too), but I’m sorry, those two things don’t outweigh all the other BS that Paul would want to do.

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        I look at politicians the way I look at door to door salesmen. They’re trying to sell me something by inviting themselves into my space, not even sure of what it is I want. They’re usually older and out of touch with their customer base. They fully believe in their product, but very seldom know what exactly makes up that product.

        Sometimes, when I see them all on tv, I imagine them as children in their mom and dad’s clothing, arguing with made up words about made up problems totally out of touch with the reality of life around them.

        Simply put I don’t believe or trust anyone asking me to vote for them until I look at their platform and the team they have around them (another reason why I won’t vote Republican).

        • Rewind

          That’s an interesting concept…to look at them as kids. Because technically they still are children with the way they act.

      • Rewind

        I’ll shoot for it.

        Pick up a history book. Read the last 600 years of American history, both before the American Revolution, and after. Read the Declaration of Independents, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution. Then watch CNN, MSNBC, & Fox News to realize how fawked you are and how skewed things are from what they were supposed to be. Thomas Jefferson, over 250 years ago, predicted this country would be this way, if you read the Bill of Rights. He was so apprehensive about how things would be.

        As someone under 30, I’m angry because from what it seems, for the rest of my life, I’ll be a professional custodian, cleaning up the mess that older generations have left for me. That’s the role of my entire generation at this point. We got spoiled on the riches and economic fairytailes that we grew up with because that’s what existed for us. Even if you were poor most of your life, you still ate better and lived better than someone else in a country that knew TRUE poverty. But now the reality has set it that it was all a lie, and there is a price to pay for living high on the hog. There is a price to pay for social change. There is a price to pay for destroying the present to piss on the future but to keep bringing up how great the past was. That’s what older generations have left us. So how else should we feel other than angry?

        So you tell me I can be whatever I want as a kid, dump the idea of college in my, make me grab gobs of money to pay for this education, then kick me to the side by saying “yea you got a degree but no experience, so you’re not reliable enough”…really? So now I’ve got to live in debt out my ass when I never got a chance to get my feet wet because I’m not allowed to compete with some 43-year old jerkoff who didn’t make good decisions 20 years ago but seems more committed to being a business bytch because he’s got kids and needs his pension so in 30 years, someone can wipe the diaherria from his Pampers? No.

        That’s what any self-respecting young person who wants to be in control of their future should be thinking.

        • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          That’s exactly what we’ve been thinking.

          • Justmetheguy

            @ Rewind- Yeah, I’m not sure if you were talkin to me or not with that completely necessary rant, but I agree completely and I agree with Tes that we are and have been thinking that same thing. I think that’s why so many of us are thinking more along the lines of radical change though, is because SOOO many underlying fundamentals of our society are messed up, especially the idea of experience being the most important attribute. That principle alone has contributed to the clusterf*ck of reasons we’re screwed and left to clean up generations worth of f*ck ups in the first place. Don’t forget the terrible (and at times biased) education curriculum and how it’s another reason why we’re stuck tryna reason with a bunch of powerful and confident idiots smh. Anyway, this is why only radical change appeals to me. I get that there is a lesser of two evils, but I would say a more efficient/productive plan needs to be in play and take priority over playing a rigged political game. Not saying we shouldn’t vote, but we need to realize that that’s the least productive of the activist/progressive activities we could be involved in. (Which is what overly emo Lupe was probably trying to say) We should be talking more about how to take real agency and make some change happen.

            • Rewind

              Well it was in response to what Champ was asking, but I agreed with your original post, and this one as well. You’re right, sometimes radical actions seems like the only way we are going to have our voices heard. On a daily basis, I day dream about anarchy, because for the life of me, I know we can’t win playing a game that’s rigged. During the original OWS protests, Republicans were insulting the people involved. Bill Maher said the reason they do that is because the Republicans want these kids to play their game, come dressed up in a suit and tie and play ball, when they are going to lose as soon as they walk in the door”. Which is true. We don’t stand a chance in hell in this broken system, not until most of the old people die anyway, and who knows how much more damage will occur. I honestly only see creating a new system to be the only chance at a true new start, but that only could occur by destroying what’s been in place for so long. And people are very scared of that kind of change, especially because no one would know what to do afterwards. It’s hard to guess the best possible solution but it can’t be the one with the options we have right now.

              • Justmetheguy

                ” I honestly only see creating a new system to be the only chance at a true new start, but that only could occur by destroying what’s been in place for so long. And people are very scared of that kind of change, especially because no one would know what to do afterwards. It’s hard to guess the best possible solution but it can’t be the one with the options we have right now.”

                Rewind 2012 “Change We Can Agree With” lol

                • Rewind

                  Maaaan you’re going to make me go spend money on a good suit now.

                • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                  “Rewind: Takin’ It Back to Basics for a Better Future”

                  +1 vote

            • http://blackmedici.wordpress.com Black Medici

              I was talking to a Vietnam vet the other day and he told me he was building a home in Liberia, because he was done with the country. I asked him why, this is what he told me:

              1. When he came to America in 1971, a gallon of gas cost 25 cents today it’s about $4.00 now.
              2. When he came to America in 1971, the minimum wage was $1.50 and you could live a good life, today the minimum wage is $7.50 and that is absolutely pitiful in today’s economy
              3. When he came to America in 1971, you didn’t need a college education and you could get a job at GM for $12.00 /hr; today; adjusted for inflation, that’s over $30/hr or over $60,000. Today, you might not get that with a Ph.D

              Yeh, the youth are screwed, but the fact of the matter is that they’re actually aware of it, and it’s a part of their consciousness. That might be their saving grace.

              • Justmetheguy

                “Yeh, the youth are screwed, but the fact of the matter is that they’re actually aware of it, and it’s a part of their consciousness. That might be their saving grace.”

                Black Medici that post about the decline in the US living standard was IMMACULATE but the above quote is very crucial. I think the youth today have begun to figure it out (moreso than pre-information age generations), it’ll be interesting to see what if anything we come up with to do about this clusterf*ck tho

              • Rewind

                It is our saving grace. We aren’t so nieve like our older generations. But what’s sad is in attempts to keep us down, the older generations have found numerous ways to pacify us (drugs, tv, movies, fads, video games, porn, etc), and we fall for it everytime. On the other hand, a good number of us eat those distractions up on a daily basis and still want to get our lives together, so who knows, we might still have a chance.

                • Justmetheguy

                  “But what’s sad is in attempts to keep us down, the older generations have found numerous ways to pacify us (drugs, tv, movies, fads, video games, porn, etc), and we fall for it everytime. ”

                  Nods while hangin head in shame…sigh, I still got faith that we’ll do better though. At least I will. That’s the only person I KNOW that I can actually change

                  • Rewind

                    I do too, we just have to pull our heads out of asses.

          • Rewind

            Tes for Prez!

            • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

              The White House ain’t ready for me :) But I’ll be your VP, no problem.

              • Rewind

                WE got it girl. I just have to find a way to destroy all the crazy azz pics I got online, I can’t run for office with strip club pictures on FB.

                • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                  That’s why you have me! Clean as a whistle n sh*t…

                  • Rewind

                    Now you know the best{DJ Khaled]

        • http://missrosen.wordpress.com/ esa

          ~ So you tell me I can be whatever I want as a kid, dump the idea of college in my, make me grab gobs of money to pay for this education, then kick me to the side by saying “yea you got a degree but no experience, so you’re not reliable enough”…really?

          you have me thinking about how the American Dream is really just a Myth and the trouble with following it is, you allow other people to tell your life is about. the disillusionment you feel is natural, it is coming of age in a culture of lies. many of us have lived through it, at several times in our life, each time the Dream becomes an Illusion and you rock that twisted smile of irony that makes skeptics and cynics out of the most disappointed of us all.

          every time i am faced with the wake up call (the broken Dream), i am reminded the only person i must listen to about my path to personal and political freedom is myself.

          • Rewind

            Just this past fall, I took a Psycholgy of Prejudice course. The professor made us do extensive research into American social history and the current standing. No matter what race we were, we all came to the same conclusion: The American Dream has been a lie from day one, and the only reason people accepted it back then was because they didn’t have the outlets to vent their fears the way we do today.

            I realize more than ever, especially with technology becoming more sophisticated by the second, we as the youth have absolutely no right to be stupid. None whatsoever. Ergo, we have no choice but to not believe the lie because we’ve been set up to live a life of slavery that is so deterimental that it is not even funny. It’s like the bleek future the movies always talk about, where we are drones. I literally picture that scene in the Matrix where Neo wakes up and sees everyone in a pod connected to the machines that’s sucking their lives away. That’s what the older generations are doing to us RIGHT NOW and I won’t allow my life to be taken from like that.

            • http://missrosen.wordpress.com/ esa

              mmm allow me to ask, how is anyone doing anything to us? do we have control over our minds or do we give it away?

              i believe that society (“civilization” and all its propaganda about itself) exists as a means to create control over the masses in the service of the select few. many people go along with this because that have been deeply conditioning to believe certain things about themselves and their place in the world. mental slavery is the most powerful force in the world because it is enacted on the mind of a child.

              but ~

              at a certain point we all do awake. we see that we are surrounded by lies and we say, mmm, now what. can we change anything? we start to see, no, we cannot change other people, we can only change ourselves. then we realize how much work this is, and we decide whether or not we’re going to do it or go back to sleep.

              to me, the responsibility for our choices in life falls squarely on ourselves. when i first read your comment i read it the way i wanted to read it, which was you telling me the older generations are the ones in the pods. that’s how i see it, anyway. they are only doing unto themselves and asking us (or, less benignly, conditioning us) to follow in their path. but to follow or not to follow, no one can make us do anything. that, i believe, is the true saving grace of this country.

              Freedom from the American Dream is our birthright ~*~

              • Rewind

                Well I think you read it right but I do want you to understand that the youth are indoctrinated to just follow the crowd with all of the distractions. Not all of us are falling for it, but it is surprising how much access the youth has to information yet choose to be so ignorant that i could make you cry. Just the mere fact that you could argue with someone over a fact and yet they are too lazy to Google the answer on their dam n phone is a far cry to the older generations that had a hard time getting access to information let alone education.

                You are right, we have to take responsibility for our lives, the truth eventually shows its face and we have to decide if we want to accept it, and if we don’t, that’s on us. But since so many people fall for the trap, it becomes a sad notion when the cycle keeps repeating itself.

        • mellow.

          i can’t co-sign this enough… mad as hell about it too…sadly though while all us very smart people feel this way…i’m not sure we represent enough of a majority to break the holding pattern we’ve been dumped into.. so i’m left with this festering anger and no outlet..wtf

          • Rewind

            I can’t front, I know I’m not using this anger properly. I should be out there doing community work. I should be out there creating a group of like-minded individuals who can actually do something besides just talking. But the reality is I’m going to be sick for the rest of my life, I have bills to pay, and I don’t have anyone to take care of me. I have to rely on myself, so I can’t take the hit that others can to not show up for work just to be at a rally, or be in a community group after work because I got meds to take and blood to clean up. It’s hard to know what the real problem is but not have a way to fix it.

            But we got to hang in there, because if we lose hope, then they get what they wanted, another man down.

            • mellow.

              *Black Power Fist* keep hope alive! I will say though that I’ve always believed to affect change in today’s society we’ll have to attack our grievances via multiple approaches, ideologies, career fields, etc… which means there is hope for those of us who can’t cut work to boycott nsh!t

        • emperor_domi

          I think that everytime I walk out my room, where my B.A. degree hangs, to work for 8.00 an hour at Dollar Tree.

          • Rewind

            And that’s a damn shame because you worked too hard for that to be where you end up.

      • AfroPetite

        I’m 22 and right now I view voting as this “damned if I do damned if I don’t” situation. I’m merely a number for all parties involved and I’m pretty much deciding between death by gas or death by electrocution. The outcome is the same and the method the only difference.

        • Rewind

          Exactly. Being forced to vote for the devil with the smaller horns…that’s all there is to it.

        • King Tremain

          I have a question. Do you believe women who want abortions should be forced to have trans v*gin*l probes? That is forced to have a probe shoved in their hoo-hoo, before getting an abortion? The republicans have attempted to pass this legislation in Virgimia and other states.

          Do you believe references to slavery and the civil rights movement should be scrubbed from text books so that children only learn a scrubbed, sanitized version of history? The republicans do.

          Do you believe women should be paid the same amount of money as men for the same work? And if they find out they’re receiving lower wages, they should have some recourse? Look up the Lilly Ledbetter act. There are huge differences between the two parties. Your doing yourself a disservice by being ignorant of that. Read, research, and then make an informed decision. Don’t throw up your hands and say “they’re both the same”.

          I know it’s not easy, but no one ever said democracy was.

          • AfroPetite

            When did I say the parties were the same? I was referencing the fact that voting is choosing the lesser of two evils. I have done the research and then some and I can quote questionable policies on both sides.

            • King Tremain

              I’m sorry, but you said “I’m pretty much deciding between death by gas or death by electrocution. The outcome is the same and the method the only difference.”

              How is that not saying the parties are the same. They both result in death. If the outcome is the same, then the parties are the same.

              Tell me about these policies of the Democrats that are comparable to FORCED TRANSV*GIN*L PROBES FOR WOMEN SEEKING ABORTION.

              I’m not being flip. I’d like to know what these are so I’m informed.

            • King Tremain

              Sorry, tell me about a Democratic policy as questionable as the probes.

              Tell me about a Democratic policy as questionable as the Republican state run governments in Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Wisconsin of trying to make it more difficult for poor people and minorities to vote.

              Tell me about a policy more questionable than trying to cur taxes for the richest 1% while slashing services for poor people.

              I’m not trying to be snarky. I honestly want to know what on the Democratic side compares to this. Because if there is, then I’ve been hoodwinked.

    • Omar

      “I think anyone below the age of 30 nowadays looks with disdain at the kind of politicians that we have today, even Obama.”

      That’s largely because they are still idealistic and have high expectations of a pretty effed up world. When that 30 year old cynicism kicks in they will stop looking for the perfect candidate and take the better of the two.

      • http://blackmedici.wordpress.com Black Medici

        Actually it’s the opposite.

        Today’s youth are actually more cynical. No jobs; plenty of debts through college or credit; awful parents; awful public school education and the list goes on. Idealism isn’t the driving force of the lost generation.

        • Justmetheguy

          “Actually it’s the opposite.

          Today’s youth are actually more cynical. No jobs; plenty of debts through college or credit;”

          Exactly! We’re tired of rhetoric and idealism, we want action and results. The question is are WE (the youth especially) willing to put in the necessary work and focus on the RIGHT issues

          • http://blackmedici.wordpress.com Black Medici

            Not yet.

            Today’s youth, are still way too arrogant. They think because of the internet, the open mindedness in culture, the gadgets that they play with on a regular basis etc makes them better off and more intelligent than the previous generations. But all you have to do is see the drop in intellect and the drop in significan dialogue to see that their technology has not done them much good.

            The fact is that the young today have access to a lot more information than their ancestors in the past, but are probably the worst critical thinkers in the history of the world. Granted, some people are beginning to open their minds, and are actually thinking. However, the vast majority of the young generation today are dumb, undisciplined, and unmotivated and that’s a huge problem. However, the great recession has given a huge slap to the young today, and I think critical thinking will continue to progress more and more as the reality of hard times fall upon them.

            • Justmetheguy

              “However, the vast majority of the young generation today are dumb, undisciplined, and unmotivated and that’s a huge problem. However, the great recession has given a huge slap to the young today, and I think critical thinking will continue to progress more and more as the reality of hard times fall upon them.”

              Exactly! You said it ALL in that post, but especially that part. I’m glad you mentioned the gift and the curse of the information age too. It’s literally like virtual politics on d@mn near EVERY topic. Depending on your source everyone can spin the truth one way or another, and that’s assuming that they even include any truth in the information they provide at all. The internet is such a gamechanging resource for good and bad smh. We GOT TO get more disciplined (especially me), motivated, and (correctly) informed though. In order to do that though we need a clear and concise purpose to live by for imo, because that’s the most glaring characteristic of the youth that’s missing (besides work-ethic and discipline). However, I think the critical thinking skills of the youth are underrated though, they just need more people to break things down to them in their language. Leaders that speak their language and guide their focus in the right directions (more on that later)

          • King Tremain

            Check my responses to your comment above.

        • Omar

          I think what you are describing is more anger than cynicism which seem different to me. Cynicism has more to do with accepting that things being bad is just part of reality. You can tell by the fact that many of them are upset at picking “the lesser of two evils” when for most much of life’s decisions are just a series of choices between some very imperfect options.

          • Justmetheguy

            ” You can tell by the fact that many of them are upset at picking “the lesser of two evils” when for most much of life’s decisions are just a series of choices between some very imperfect options.”

            Yeah, but for most of life’s choices there are more than two viable options. Also there’s more room for flexibility and creativity with other life decisions. Solving the problem is more “in our hands” so to speak. With politics, not so much. You fight tooth and nail for little progress. I get it though, we can’t abandon it or the (domestic) terrorists win, but sheesh I’m just one who wants to shift my focus to more productive/effective means of change. That was my point

    • The Guy Formerly Know As Hmmmm

      I was talking to a friend about this a couple of days ago. Every generation wants to believe (and is often correct in thinking) it is out on an island. I think you’d be surprised how many of the folks from the pervious generation, the post boomers – folks who were little kiddies in the 80s and teens in the 90s – feel the same way. I think the line being sold to young people has not changed much in 20 years and as a result some of us cool and comfortable in our 30s feel the same way…..and are now exploring what can be done about it.

      • The Guy Formerly Know As Hmmmm

        The problem of the 21st Century is the problem of the poverty-line

  • Secret Sauce

    maybe it is just me (or my alter ego secret sauce) but every time I hear a politician, regardless of the party, talk about the middle class I can’t help but feel that’s code for white people.

    • Keisha

      It’s not just you…or your alter ego. :-)

    • https://twitter.com/#!/mackaroto Jay

      Thats not accurate. There TONS of talk about class warfare nowadays. In this class warfare THE GREATEST potential casualty is the middle class, and make no mistake about it the middle class is under attack. The middle class is by and large what made America special all of these years. Without a middle class we are all in big trouble. I think the concept of a strong “middle class” transcends race.

      • bhillboy

        I think she means that when politicians are talking about the “Middle Class” they want white people to perk their ears up because the conversation has now turned to issues that only they can relate too. I think so as well.

      • Secret Sauce

        I just don’t believe that when I hear a politician speaking. The ideal represenation of a middle class person or a middle class isn’t one made up of people who look like me or other minorities. just like cats harping on american values or American this or american that. I get the sense that dems and republicans are referencing or attempting to appeal to the typical white suburban family. you know the “real Americans” maybe I’m misguided in this assessment but I don’t feel included when such statements are made.

        • https://twitter.com/#!/mackaroto Jay
          • Rewind

            I saw that yesterday and thought to myself ” and they wonder why people of color have such a problem with them”

            • Rewind

              And a Candian wrote that. How fawked up is it that we didn’t even think about that, and this is our home!

    • http://LEARNINGlover.com AfterMath

      pretty much. Just like when they talk about “welfare” they want you to think about Black folk. Its not a mistake, they know what keywords initiate what reactions.

    • Deviant

      In most political dialects, “Middle Class” translates into “Poor people I’m comfortable around.”

      • Justmetheguy

        Right! Lmao! The tolerable have-nots if you will lol

  • Keisha

    Great analogy!!!

    Some of my friends swear I have elephant and George Bush bobbleheads all over the house. The truth is that I look at the issues. At times I side with the Republicans and others with the Democrats. I vote for the person I feel best represents my values and who i believe is going to do this country the most good.

    This upcoming election should be interesting…

    • Iceprincess

      George Bush IS a bobblehead lmfaooooo!!!!

    • https://twitter.com/#!/mackaroto Jay

      The truth is that I look at the issues. At times I side with the Republicans and others with the Democrats.

      This is the rallying cry of the intelligent, level-headed, informed voter. The problem is that the political dialogue we’re all influenced by due to the overwhelming amount of media coverage(especially in an election year) is mired in bi-partisanship. Dems and Repubs have drawn lines in the sand and those lines are all that matters… logic be damned.

      • bhillboy

        I wish I were more impartial but on every issue, I only agree with the Democrats.

        • http://LEARNINGlover.com AfterMath

          Which version?

          Many issues that are Democratic now, started off in the other party, but were only abandoned by them because they couldn’t sell them to the higher ups (i.e. the people funding their campaign).

    • Omar

      Well, unfortunately the problem with a lot of republicans these days is when a democrat agrees with them they decide to change their minds so agreeing with them is always a moving target.

  • Loving Me

    I consider myself a Democrat but I have very conservative, republican type leanings on some issues but I have never and probably will never vote republican