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Why I Don’t Steal Music Anymore (For the Most Part)

In a recent VladTV interview, living rap god Bow Wow (formerly of the “Lil’” varietal) discussed his entire career.

He referenced Ray J. and Lil’ Kim’s “Wait a Minute,” a joint that I’d forgotten made me nod my head around the turn of the century (and the only worthwhile thing Ray J. ever did that wasn’t Kim Kardashian). I hadn’t heard it in a while, so I headed to iTunes to buy it.

No dice.

In music’s biggest outrage since Canibus pulled out the notepad, some devious bastard saw fit to deprive the digital music market of Ray J.’s This Ain’t a Game album. Sure, I could’ve purchased the physical album on Amazon, but who in the blue fuck would buy an actual full disc of songs by Brandy’s little brother? And since I’d sooner use a $10 bill to light my next cigar than to buy the “Wait a Minute” imported single, I copped the song for free from a website whose URL I won’t share since it would probably give your PC the Zika virus.

Look, it’s 2016 – if you want a single song immediately, you should be able to get it for a dollar and short change with minimal effort. Options to obtain “Wait a Minute” were pretty assy, so I five-fingered that bitch. But there’s a high likelihood that it will be the first and last time I steal music this year.

It wasn’t always this way, by any stretch. Though I came up in the era in which you had to buy an entire album just to get to one or two songs (which is why I still have nearly 1,000 CDs stashed in my crib like Colombian yayo), things changed when an industrious white boy named Shawn Fanning rolled out Napster – the progenitor of music-jacking software – at the beginning of this century, coinciding with my freshman year and my first high-speed Ethernet connection. My whole world became more…musical.

I had a lot of time to kill from all the chicks I wasn’t pulling down in college. So I spent much of it downloading free music and burning it on whatever CD-R’s I could afford or scam my way upon. (The 80-minute joints were like the Holy Grail, but in 2000, they cost about $29,173,492 apiece.)

When Eminem and the little drummer dude from Metallica realized that they could potentially be pulling down even more millions without Napster, they publicly led the charge to legally crush the program. But that simply made way for the likes of Audiogalaxy (my personal favorite), KaZaa, AOL getfiles and other glorious ways to get free music with the click-clack of a few keys.

By the time I graduated, my conditioning was conditioned: why pay for something that I could get gratis? At one point, the only new retail CDs I got were the free promotional joints from writing for my school newspaper. For over a decade, I was disrespectful as hell, taking music I loved without dropping a dime in the pockets of the artists I appreciated.

Oddly enough, it wasn’t Eminem or Lars Ulrich (who have a combined net worth that rivals that of Jesus’ legal team) who motivated me to move away from jacking music; it was a combination of finally making the good money that allows me to afford it and the recognition of the sea change in the music industry that made things harder for artists.

In 2016, album sales don’t mean a goddamned thing unless you’re a portly young Englishwoman with a penchant for cussing out the audience members in your sold-out shows. All but the top of the Top 40 artists are basically forced to tour to carve out a living; gone are the days when a mid-tier rapper could go platinum in two weeks and spend the rest of his summer nestling his head on be-thonged, Caucasoidal white booties without the concern that he’ll run out of money for his sizable, useless entourage.

Since I have always gravitated toward non-mainstream hip-hop (read: actual broke rappers), the cats I love the most really need my money. Check out the documentary Adult Rappers to understand how real it is for these rappers trying to manage their families and pay the mortgage on their 2.5-bedroom cribs by essentially living on the road and standing in the lobby after shows sipping on-the-house Coronas, hoping that someone will buy their CD and/or T-shirt.

The advent of the iTunes Store and the easy purchase of individual tracks has made it much easier to buy music in an era in which very few artists of any genre make really good full albums. And though I’m an Apple Music subscriber, I’m still a strong proponent of ownership – be it a physical disc or a few bits and bytes. I hit the “buy” button on iTunes more than I should; there should be a Crying Jordan meme backdrop on all the receipts Apple emails me.

I’m not really about that streaming life for three reasons: First, nothing sucks through my 15 GB monthly AT&T data plan like streaming music – I listen to half an Isaac Hayes song and my shit is nearly depleted. Second, spend a decent amount of time in the subway of a major city and let me know how that uninterrupted stream works for you.

Finally, the streaming music market is a joke for artists’ bottom line; Spotify and the like have the artists (simile redacted because my editors say my writing has a strong anal fixation). Jay Z leveraged this issue to release his own streaming service Tidal, which was probably headed the way of Sprite Remix and “Homeboys from Outer Space” if Prince hadn’t died and Beyonce didn’t drop Lemonade.

As important as I find it to support artists, my shit is admittedly sloppy: I’ve no scruples about illegally downloading Schindler’s Fist 37 because it just…feels differently. And just as with “Wait a Minute,” there are several older songs I can’t buy digitally but refuse to pay full price for the whole album to have. Prince’s “Call My Name,” Dale’s “Soulful Moaning” (the soundtrack of the conception of damn near every 90s baby in Detroit), Tupac’s best cut of all time – all songs that I had to download with a Kanye shrug.

If we’re keeping it a full buck, music piracy will be an interminable issue. For every high-paid lawyer who shuts down a torrent site or keeps their client’s music off the net, there’s some industrious virgin out there who only leaves his computer for shit breaks who can circumvent it all – even if only by renaming an album file “Bee-Yonsay – Limin-Aid.”

I don’t expect much to change in a world that loves Free.99. But if music completes you and, like, me, you got excited by the Amazon email telling you that your CD copy of Maxwell’s BlackSUMMERSnight has shipped, I implore you to consider paying for it.

And, I mean, if downloading Sperms of Endearment completes you, then consider paying for that as well.

Dustin Seibert

Dustin J. Seibert lifts heavy weights and plays all his video games on hard mode to find peace. He has a better ear for hip-hop than anyone else you know. He writes like the English language is going outta style because the steaks in his freezer are dependent on it.

  • Proverbs31WIFE!

    “My conditioning was conditioned”. Tee shirt please.

    Bow wow, yippee yo, yippee yeah. That’s the only song of his I know. But Dustin doe of all the people in this world you could find to talk about, Bow Wow was an option?!?

    • Sperms of endearment…lmao

      • Proverbs31WIFE!

        Hun, I didn’t get that one! Expound please.?

        • His last sentence. lol

          • Proverbs31WIFE!

            Just seen it. Skimmed thru the piece. Bow wow makes my eyes lazy and they hurt to complete a thotpiece including his name.

  • That Guy

    Your link to the Tupac song is broken. When I heard The Life of Pablo was no longer Tidal-exclusive I went to iTunes to buy it. When I didn’t find it, I said “I guess Kanye doesn’t want my money” and acquired it through other means.

    • PhlyyPhree

      It’s everywhere now. I knew he wasn’t going to stick with that Tidal-exclusive thing.
      Honestly, Yonce is the only artist I’ve seen maintain that.

      • Animate

        it’s kind of everywhere. I’ve been streaming it on Google Play but can’t purchase it for some stupid reason.

      • Bad Debo

        available everywhere…..but when he updates the album with new songs, etc. those updates will only go to TIDAL…for now anyways

    • Ok…

    • Godzilla Jr.

      All the links are broken in this article :(

  • Brooklyn_Bruin

    I need a waffles invite. Most of my torrent spots don’t really stay up to date. The blogs that post require lot more effort than I’m used to.

    And them streaming algorithms will start with MF Doom and six songs later its Montell Jordan.

  • PhlyyPhree

    I pay for Spotify AND Tidal (right now at least. One gotta go once I redo this budget for the year) but it’s different than actually owning the music. I learned that when Solange pulled all of her music off of Spotify and took it over to Tidal.
    I was HURT for about three months until I bit the bullet and subscribed to both services.
    THe thing I hate is, my library has SO many reference tracks and extended versions. Unreleased tracks and random throw offs that came from God knows where. And I love those things, but I won’t ever find them on the regular streaming sites. A lot of them came from me trying to download “I cant feel my face” on Limewire and ending up with a a G-Unit knockoff that was improperly named.
    I don’t illegally download music anymore (mostly, because I don’t even know where the kids hide it on the interwebs these days) but I think it’s because I feel like I’m supporting artists (somewhat) when I pay for the streaming services. Also, I occasionally buy albums if it’s an artist I truly love.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Half of what I listen to are mixtape tracks that will never get sample clearance, demos, freestyles, live joints, alternate takes, remixes…

      • PhlyyPhree

        Yup!!! And I love those tracks. Without the illegal music market, I don’t know how I’d have access to those things.

    • I seriously FLOVE my TIDAL because if someone’s music is missing, you can go online to the site and tell them and they will go track it down and fight the fight to get it streaming. That and I pay over $400 for a pair of cans so what do I look like skimping on the music service? That and I’ve always supported both my seasoned veterans and new talent and TIDAL makes that easy! Oh and if course I love all the exclusives from Jay and Baddy Bey it provides along with the best compensation plans for artists too. I know I’m a TIDAL commercial but it’s new music Friday so who wouldn’t be happy lol!!! ????????????

    • Proverbs31WIFE!

      Love Spotify. What is a Tidal?

      • PhlyyPhree

        Tidal is the streaming service Jay-Z bought. It’s…decent. I think they’re still working the kinks out. My only issue is that the user interface is not as seamless as it is on Spotify. I use it in my car often and on Spotify, I can swipe and queue songs when I’m searching. On Tidal, I have to press too many buttons which means I either have to create a playlist before I get in the car and I never do because I’m usually listening based on emotions and whether or not I’m trying to avoid road rage.

        • Proverbs31WIFE!

          I hate tidal. Team Spotify.

          • Other_guy13

            Amazon prime or ITunes…Spotify glitches too much for me…and Tidal is of the devil.

            • PhlyyPhree

              I’ve got issues with iTunes because they can go in and sync your library and erase your sh it.
              I’ve never tried Amazon Prime though.
              I don’t get glitches on Spotify and the verdict is still out on Tidal for me. It ain’t looking good for Big Homie though.

              • Other_guy13

                The only probe lem I have with ITunes is when they add ish that I don’t want (U2 Album)…and Amazon Prime is EVERYTHING to me…up there with my Netflix and Hulu.

              • L8Comer

                You can turn the iTunes sync off. I never use it for that reason

              • Val

                That’s one of the problems I have with Amazon’s digital books. They can delete your files at any time.

            • Bad Debo

              Google’s streaming service is lowkey “da best” for me…..been absolutely perfect
              only complaint is when you can’t access music that’s locked up by other streaming services…..like Tidal

              • Other_guy13

                Hmm…I may check that out.

                • Bad Debo

                  I use Google Play already for all of my music…so it was literally as simple as going into settings for the app and turning streaming on (and agreeing to pay)….then you immediately have access to their library.
                  It’s pretty solid. Only things I haven’t been able to find are Lemonade and Prince albums (because TIDAL). They have different radio stations, new releases, etc all set up as well. AND you can download albums for when you’ll be in areas where data is limited
                  I never wanted to be a streamer, but I’m all in now. Still will buy physical albums for a handful of artists tho.

              • Mr. Mooggyy

                Google playmusic is my go to! Since they purchased Songza, it’s robust as shyte!

                • MsSula

                  Songza was the bees knees!!!

              • MsSula

                I used to use Songza, so when they bought by Google Play… it was a seamless move. Plus, I have a good amount of music on there already.

        • NonyaB

          Read yesterday that Apple’s supposed to be in discussions about buying Tidal from JayZ now

        • That’s my number 1 issue with TIDAL so I’ve been putting a bug in their ear about it in fb and you should too. Only other issue is I hate that my song queue doesn’t carry from device to device. I oftentimes will create a great queue of music on my iPhone and then go to my iPad pro and the queue hasn’t carried over the cloud so I have to create that same queue there! But literally other than those two issues its the best streaming service I’ve ever subscribed to. I have Amazon Prime music too but honestly the only time I use it is when I can’t find an album or tidal or certain songs aren’t streaming on TIDAL because of royalty issues.

          • PhlyyPhree

            I sent an email. Once. I think.
            And I HATE the queue issue on both services. I used to create bomb a ss queues in Spotify that would be like 2-3 days long and then they changed the service so that the queue only goes up to a certain number of songs and it will delete if I open up the app on another device. It’s so frustrating.

    • Tidal has a fade at the end of each song. I love it.

      • PhlyyPhree

        I knooowwww. There used to be an option to make each song cross fade on Spotify, but somwhere along the updates, it disappeard.

      • Bad Debo

        I didn’t even know how much I missed the fade until you just brought it up….
        …these feelings I never knew I had

    • Val

      People are always recommending streaming services to me but I just don’t have the energy to sign up for more stuff online. No more passwords. No more fees. No more subscriptions. Sigh.

      • L8Comer

        Me toooo Val! I’m in love with my ipod and I’ve tried streaming and hate it every time. For many of the reasons Dustin mentioned.

        I don’t like the commercials, I don’t like not having alllll my music at my finger tips for when the mood strikes, I ride the metro a lot so I lose service, and my battery gets drained. I don’t want to have to make new playlists when I have them all curated on my ipod already and I don’t remember everything I have anyway, but I’m happy when I hear it.

        Maybe I just dont get it. My friends always try to put me on and I try it out but go back to my ipod. The one thing I liked about using some service a while back tho, is I discovered new songs which was cool. I then bought the new songs and put them on my ipod tho lol

        • Val

          Yep, it’s just me and my ipod too. Which reminds me I need a new one. My ipod is failing on me. But it’s kind of old (2010) so I guess it’s time for a new one?

          • L8Comer

            heheheh, I have an ipod 3. I think mine is 2011 or 2012 hahaha. Ima ride it till the wheels fall off.

            I also have my old ipod mini circa 2006 I think cuz nostalgia and when I got a new computer i couldnt transfer the songs. I never use it tho.

            My next Ipod needs more space tho, I can’t fit everything anymore

            • Val

              I’m going to have to breakdown and buy a new one soon. Sigh. But I can’t be out and about without it. That would be really weird. Lol

              • L8Comer

                I feel you. No lie, I’d be more upset if I lost my ipod than my phone.

            • porqpai

              I still have the big 60gb joint I got way back in 2007 or so. It might be dead. It lived in my car for years.

            • troubleman

              I still rock my ipod classic 80gb!. My sons laugh at me though…

              • Cheech

                When my 160s quit, put me in the home.

          • Cheech

            Get it now. They’re discontinued and ain’t gonna be around. (At least the 160 — the only one that fits.)

        • porqpai

          I have never liked Spotify due to selection and its interface was awful for the longest and I just never went back. I stopped listening to the radio once I got an iPod. I’m a control freak about what I want to hear when I want to hear it, so Pandora was never the move for me. I was a huge Rdio fan and I’m still sad it’s gone. Right now I’m doing Google Play. I tried Apple Music, but again, horrible discovery interface so nah. Tidal, I downloaded it, but I get annoyed everytime I try to use it so not paying for that either. But for popular songs I just want to bump for the next few months and then likely forget streaming works. Also never had issues on the metro with it either.

          • L8Comer

            This is helpful. I MAY try google play one day bc of u

      • Nik White

        I so Spotify for free on my tablet.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      Well if it helps apple is in talks to buy Tidal form Jay-Z………I just stopped my tidal but if this happens I will be moving to apple music.

  • Brooklyn_Bruin

    I wish soul seek was more functional

  • NonyaB

    Trips me to hear people still buy actual CDs.

    Seibert, you so verbose. And all because you miss little woof woof? But carry on.

    The abundance of tools for extracting audio/video from any source online makes it impossible to remember buying. Especially when these new Columbia music clubs sometimes don’t have what you need and more importantly, dictate when/how you get to use music you paid for. They insist on keeping it all in the bloody “cloud”, when offline access is necessary for reducing data limits, traveling, or being in out-of-range areas.

    • Dustin John Seibert

      I came in here just to figure out what you meant by “little woof woof.”

      • NonyaB

        Lil Bow Wow. ?

    • Nik White

      Columbia Music clubs!

      • NonyaB

        Gotta give a shoutout to the GrandDaddies.

  • Other_guy13

    I don’t steal it anymore because campus police came to my dorm and made me delete some ish (not going into detail…just know I had some ish on my computer…Napster was the least of my worries…stupid FEDS). After that I was too scared to use any of my skills for evil ever again. Just buy it and move on…keeps everyone (mainly me) out of jail.

    • PhlyyPhree

      …..
      But you mentioned it, so now inquiring minds wanna know…What DID you have on your computer?
      I’m gonna assume it wasn’t kiddie pron so what? The Dean’s daughter’s chex tape?

      • Other_guy13

        Non chex related…

        • AnswerMe

          Changing grades?

          • Other_guy13

            I can neither confirm nor deny the contents…but I was suspended for a year….but yea…that among other things…I blame my roommate. You have never really sh$t ya pants until you get a knock on your door with campus police, actual police, and your A-hole RA who been gunning for ya since he saw his ex in your room “Studying” saying “Mr. *insert government surname here* we would like to speak with you about some things that came from this IP address…I believe its located in your room”…good times.

            • AnswerMe

              Hmmm, well seems like this incident would make you a bad boy and I heard women love bad boys

              • Sigma_Since 93

                So are you saying you like bad boys?? Don’t be coy, shoot your shot!

                • Other_guy13

                  Message received lol

                  • Sigma_Since 93

                    Imma need for you and @disqus_5Mw2ilE9XA:disqus to create some fireworks this weekend. Please provide me with a status update by Tuesday. LOL

                    • Other_guy13

                      Nah, not a cheater bruh…at least not in this life…should have caught me a few months ago before ish got real.

                    • Sigma_Since 93

                      Just messin up my VSB love connection!!!

                    • Other_guy13
                    • PinkRose

                      And THIS is why I say until a man puts a ring on it, ladies keep your options OPEN. WIDE OPEN!!!

                    • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

                      Cackles @ how you stepped in

                    • Other_guy13

                      Just dang petty…some folks I swear.

                    • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

                      Ret on time :)

                    • Other_guy13

                      You do know I just said I DONT cheat right…I was single a few months ago which is when she should have caught me…keep up PR.

                    • PinkRose

                      I’ve got NO problem keeping up. But didn’t you said you’ve been in your situation for a while now on another post? But now you’re saying you were single a few months ago? SERIOUS side eye with 1000 hairy eye balls, LOL!!

                      Like I said, women MUST keep their “options” open until they get that ring, because men and their math………………

                      BTW, no judgement, no shade, jus’ facts for the ladies!!

                    • Other_guy13

                      I met her December 2015 for context. For me….that a while…esp when most folks don’t last 2 weeks. And we weren’t together right off the bat. So yea…just more facts before I’m dragged in the mud and thrown to the will of the people.

                      No shade but I must be clear since somebody wanna try and call folks out #alllovePR #westillcool #factsRfacts http://www.mountrantmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ASAP-Rockey-Finger-Guns.gif

                    • Proverbs31WIFE!

                      But you been saying you are single today is when you were became unsingle?! You always looking for wifey. I’m so confuzzled

                    • Other_guy13

                      Wait….WHEN DID I SAY I’M SINGLE BECAUSE I’M NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IT????

                    • Proverbs31WIFE!

                      There was a time you were commenting talking about its hard out here…for a single man. If Jehovah has blessed you with a Proberbs 31, we give Him all the honor and glory.

                    • Other_guy13

                      For the E-courts

                      “Whenever I do get married…I’m gone cry…not Denzel one tear cry either. I mean real tears. Its hard out here being single and trying to find the one woman you want to spend the rest of your life with. If seeing the future mother of your children and best friend and partner in life coming down the aisle doesn’t make you cry. Your name is Dexter Morgan and your probably a serial killer in your spare time and you gave no soul.”

                      If you note…never said I was single in this statement…it was a general statement…

                      Also I made it known I am planning something big next year because I know she the one

                      “I can neither Confirm nor Deny until April 2017 (hint hint an ninja got plans n ish). Until then…it’s a wait and see situation”

                      Also Your still invited…for now

                      “To the reception sure…there will be no wedding…kidding….I honestly have no idea how that will play out. But in my mind….courthouse and a cookout is good for me. I doubt I get that wish though.”

                      Lastly in another thread but still relevant

                      “I’m good…made me appreciate what I have now….I thank God for that and all situations. Made me a better man not a bitter man. We all got things we not proud of…myself included. Live and learn.”
                      I don’t deny I’m with someone at all…IJS

                    • Proverbs31WIFE!

                      Issokay. In earlier comments. Either way, if you are happily taken, enjoy!

                    • Other_guy13
                    • Other_guy13

                      Okay…to be clear…I…OG13 am not single…all jokes and comments here are for entertainment purposes only (I though we covered this a while ago but for clarity…plus I don’t do e-hook-ups cuz ummm catfish)

                • AnswerMe

                  I don’t. Been there and it didn’t end well. Plus he’s out here ring shopping, so

              • Other_guy13

                So what your saying is you love me huh…back at ya babe lol…okay…maybe not “love” but…a good ole “how do you do” will suffice.

              • NonyaB

                Tangential: Speaking of Nerdy Bad Boys, this is a hilarious rep:

                • AnswerMe

                  One should never question a trip to Australia.

                  • Other_guy13

                    Have you seen the bugs there…ALWAYS question a trip to Australia.

                    • AnswerMe

                      Please don’t ruin my future world travel plans :(

                    • Other_guy13

                      Google ruined it for me…just thought I return the favor…I’m nice like that!

                    • NonyaB

                      Don’t listen, just go. You’re planning to visit the cities, not the bush!

                    • Other_guy13

                      Don’t listen to me if you want…gone come back missing some stuff.

                    • NonyaB

                      I’ve lived and visited there and have all my parts, mister.

                    • Other_guy13

                      ….I got nothing…I’m still on this me being single situation.

                    • NonyaB

                      LMAO. Yeah, untangle yo’self, mister.

                    • Other_guy13

                      Oh…I’m good….I know when I go too far…I have no problem with y’all keeping me honest (If I did why would I show my face). But I also know what I said and what I meant. We all fam here at the end of the day. Nothing but love.

                    • Proverbs31WIFE!

                      In Africa? Why would they miss the bush doe?! What about the monkeys? They need love

                    • NonyaB

                      Scaredy cats like OtherGuy will stay in GRA-like spots only.

                    • Proverbs31WIFE!

                      Girl what’s GRA?

                    • NonyaB

                      Govt Residential Area – terminology from way back that stuck. E.g. in Lagos, Ikoyi is GRA.

                    • Proverbs31WIFE!

                      Gotcha. The jungle and the villages is the best intro 101 to Africa

                    • SororSalsa

                      Don’t pay attention to that. Someone tried to make me cancel my trip by telling me that. And even a scaredy cat like me wasn’t bothered.

                    • Bad Debo

                      …but you could say the same about Africa….and everybody needs to get their as s over to Africa

                    • Other_guy13

                      Everyone except me…put me in a highrise in the north pole. I don’t do big @$$ bugs bruh.

                    • NonyaB

                      Sir. You would be visiting the cities, not the forests! Besides, I’m sure even where you are now, some mondo bugs and other craziness are available in the nearest bushes but you stay in the city area.

                    • Other_guy13

                      Yea but when I go to the folks house I see things…very…big…things…no words.

                    • SororSalsa

                      I have, and I’d go back tomorrow. Australia is THAT ISH. First place I ever went where I forgot I was black for 2 weeks.

            • Hugh Akston

              (my uhhmmm…a family member got suspended in college…for half a semester…almost lost a scholarship…had to do community service…why? he had limewire…he was using it at home…and always deactivated when he goes back to campus…except this time he didn’t…his computer was still on…when he opened it at school…it connected to the school’s wifi…and was downloading music in the background…by the time he realized it…he already received an email…had to face in school trial*…etc..)

              • -h.h.h.-

                we actually had napster, limewire, kazaa, DC+ and DC++, but the school didn’t start coming for folks until i left

                crazy how the record companies were coming for us during their time of most sales (99-04)

              • Other_guy13

                Sounds familiar….LimeWire got my butt too. I was so careful until I went to FL for the weekend…that next Monday…”Mr *government surname*”…you know the rest.

                • Hugh Akston

                  i learned from him…so when i got to university…downloaded tor, brought my own router, and set up a VPN…yeah..external hds filled with music movies…and that other kind of uhhhmmm…yeah…

                  sorry about the whole situation though…thought its silly…because the people that are doing the biggest harms…usually get a pass…

                  • Other_guy13

                    “so when i got to university” Are you from the U.K. (what do we call tem after Brexit btw)..but yea…I’m like you let ol dude one the football team go after raping a chick but you coming for me on *insert alleged incident here* ish…nah..go after them before you come see me.

                    • Hugh Akston

                      haha nah…not from the UK…but i’ve lived abroad long enough that saying uni* or university (rather than college-when I say CV around some friends* they look at me as if im talking a different language) is just…a normal thing…haha

                      but yeah im with you…they need to go see those folks…

                • SororSalsa

                  LimeWire used to be my ish, but I let that go real quick. Most of my best Prince bootlegs came from there. But my belief was that I only stole what I couldn’t buy. I couldn’t know about unreleased albums and not have them. But I’ve been (mostly) reformed.

            • Dayum… so the lesson is….

              Don’t do shyt in YOUR room. lol

            • ChokeOnThisTea

              I believe you! This happened to a kid on my campus back in 04/05 too. I never knew what happened to him, but it was a scary wake up call for all of us.

              • Other_guy13

                It was 05 for me…I just knew I was going to jail or getting sued. They were more worried about the other stuff on my computer (non chexual , murderous, or terroristic). They just told me to delete that ish once I got my computer back. What a time to be alive.

                • ChokeOnThisTea

                  Hold up. If it was non chexual, murderous, or terroristic, then why the he ll were they worried? ? (You do t have to answer that)

                  • Other_guy13

                    I will not.

                    • ChokeOnThisTea

                      Lmao!!!!!

    • NonyaB

      So what you’re saying is, they might still be watching you now? ? What was on that harddrive tho?

      • Other_guy13

        No comment

        • NonyaB

      • Sigma_Since 93

        Are you fresh as hayle while the Feds watch you???

        • NonyaB

          It’s not like they send you update to say they’re still watching. ?

          • Sigma_Since 93

            That’s why you gotta stay fresh….being fly has no off days!

            • Other_guy13

              Hey…I don’t do off days. Savage 8 days a week

        • Other_guy13

          Nah…U usually sit at the computer natural incase there’s a cutie watching in my local area…(shoot me an email girl…you got the address *wink*)

      • lmao

    • Bad Debo

      I had a friend who was bootlegging DVDs while we were in college (way before the majority of people knew of this possibility) along with other things he did on the internet. He was the crazy guy that you’re friends with, who you laugh with when he turns his crazy on to other people….but then there’s the one day he turns his crazy on one of you….and you realize that we ALL need to make a clean break from this SOB.

      • Proverbs31WIFE!

        LOL!!

      • Other_guy13

        I wasn’t that bad…I just played a lot of jokes that were only funny to me….again…good times.

        • Bad Debo

          Yeah, looking back there were several signals to stop messing with this dude…I learned my lesson.

          • Other_guy13

            But you had good times…I know he did

            • Bad Debo

              The only goods thing about that friendship were the movies we had at the apartment and the friends I made at his dorm (my peoples now)…outside of that, I’m telling you there was no real positive from our friendship
              Pretty much everyone I know, except the woman he married (one of the nicest women I met in college….I don’t get it), eventually found away to distance themselves from dude

              • Other_guy13

                She prob need protection from some bad dudes…so get a worse dude lol. But some folks (myself included) just wanna see the world burn…they usually end up alone or with someone really nice…go figure

                • porqpai

                  You sound slightly anarchist. NTTAWT
                  Just curious because that world burn comment sounds like a lot of the “outsider” friends I used to have, and yeah eventually I had to phase on em. Didn’t need the drama, but they were always fun to hang around until they kirked out.

  • Brandon Allen

    Listen, I’ll pay if I actually want to support an artist but I’m not paying off principal.
    Music better take the TV model and start having product placement deals in songs.

    J. Cole can walk into a meeting and say, “Hey, the end of this bar was gonna end in Jaguar but for 20 racks we can change it to Mercedes”

    Or maybe this whole thing will make people stop trying to be rich from making music…maybe that’s not bad…

    • DBoySlim

      I agree with you for the most part but many artists aren’t trying to get rich. Most of us just want to make music and pay bills on time.

    • panamajackson

      That would actually make for a hilarious sketch on the music industry. Have an artist like J. Cole go through a verse, and making modifications to fit sponsorship dollars.

      In fact, that would be a brilliant indictment on the music industry and artists selling themselves to brands for dough.

      It’s brilliant. Great idea.

    • L8Comer

      “Music better take the TV model and start having product placement deals in songs.”

      That only leaves room for certain types of music though. The party, shake your ayus, dance in the club type music. I love that music, but I like diversity. How’s are the conscious rappers and the neo-soul genre supposed to add in Mercedes or Moet without really compromising their music, lol??

      Some people already do the product placement thing. They’ll be rich. Everyone else has to tour or be a little less rich for their craft, I think. I don’t think that;s bad either.

      • Brandon Allen

        That’s not totally true there are plenty of natural hair products to rhyme with for the concious rapper trying to make a buck.

      • Nik White

        They can sing about kale, shea butter, and Whole Foods.

        • L8Comer

          Word… and oils and stuff lol. But what about integrity lol?

          • Nik White

            Hammer was clowned relentlessly back in the day but no errbody trying to get an endorsement deal. I mean Rahkim in a Sprite commercial neva would have happened back in the day but social security alone ain’t gon cut it.

            • L8Comer

              Did he start it (Hammer)?

              I always thught execs caught on with Run DMC and “My Adidas!”

              • Nik White

                Not sure which was first but you know that no one clowned DMC. Hammer’s was BK sneaks and or some chicken.

                • Cheech

                  Hammer was definitely sponsored by KFC. It was served to the crew at every meal on the 2 Much S h y t 2 Fit tour.

    • Cheech

      Now that’s a funny idea.
      I bet it’s been going on in videos for a long time.

  • YeaSoh

    Funny how people actually consider listening to ones music freely stealing it. That’s hilarious.

    • Val

      But listening isn’t stealing. Downloading it and having it on your device is stealing.

      • YeaSoh

        No, I disagree. They’re the same things. Whether I download onto my phone or go back to the same site and replay it every time I want to, it’s the same act. Music is not tangible. It’s a vibration. I can’t steal music. That’s stealing sound/noises. Where dey do that at? Now, if I was passing it off as my own and making a profit- THEN I’d be stealing. Y’all let these artists come up on you smh

        • Val

          Lol You really believe that? You’re trying to make this all kinds of existential and ish but music is someone’s work product. Copyright law exists because music is a tangible thing that can be stolen.

          • YeaSoh

            Yeah but copyright law is only there to make sure you don’t profit off someone else’s work without consent. Operative word being profit. Me listening to Lemonade while I shower ain’t gaining me a d@mn thing… if anything I may lose a few brain cells (wait what? – I’m kidding. I love Bey. Not paying for her vibrations tho unless they on a stage accompanied by some gyrations yuh feel me?? lol)

            • Val

              “Yeah but copyright law is only there to make sure you don’t profit off someone else’s work without consent.”

              You can violate a copyright without profiting. You do know that thousands of people, like Asiyah above, were sued for just dwnloading music, right?

              • YeaSoh

                True. And yeah, I read her story. It sucks. But laws don’t necessarily mean the act is wrong, so for me, I gives no fucks. I don’t consider it stealing so I act accordingly. There are plenty of laws that were created that are complete BS. This happens to be one of them.

                • Val

                  Lol Okay. I’m talking about the law as it exists and you’re talking about YeaSoh law.

                  • YeaSoh

                    I know no other lol

      • NonyaB

        Nah. Technically, stealing indicates a removal. Having song X on your drive doesn’t lessen or deny its availability to someone else.

        • Val

          Nah, technically that’s exactly how it works. Otherwise no one could be sued for downloading music without paying for it. It’s not about availability it’s about copyright infringement.

          • Bad Debo

            ….well you’re arguing the letter of the law as opposed to how stealing can actually be defined in regards to music. There are a lot of things we can sue for in this country regardless of whether it should technically be possible or not.

            • Val

              Yeah, I’m talking about how the law works as opposed to how I wish it worked.

              • Bad Debo

                Well the problem is that the law isn’t very consistent. It’s clearly illegal to go to a movie and record it on your phone. You probably won’t get into any legal trouble, unless you share it online, etc…then there’s a good chance you’re setting yourself up for legal action.
                But if you go to a concert, and videotape Bey, and then share her performance….are you stealing? If you share it on youtube, they’ll probably take the video down….but you’re not going to face legal action.
                Inconsistency in the application of the law allows for some interpretation. That’s really all it is….so to shorten this long/useless diatribe….the definition of “stealing” when it comes to music can definitely be argued.

                • L8Comer

                  idk that the law is inconsistent the way you describe it, seems like it’s all illegal. but the enforcement of it is inconsistent. but enforcement is not the law’s concern. that;s for the police

                  • Bad Debo

                    well I’m not a lawyer, so I could easily be wrong….but the police aren’t enforcing copyright infringement laws. That’s left to the courts, lawyers, and judges…which lends itself to those laws being interpreted by those with money and power…the corporations that decided they could start making money off of lawsuits against kids downloading music.

                    • L8Comer

                      lawyers don’t enforce the law. They aren’t monitoring infringers and then doling out fines, sentences, and sanctions… they write, interpret, argue. Idk who enforces copyright infringment. Who got Asiyah and made her pay? They’re the enforcers.

                    • YeaSoh

                      Sony Records lol I kid but prolly

                    • Bad Debo

                      Corporate lawyers will push courts to interpret and enforce laws in a manner that is profitable….so if they (and their bosses) deem it necessary, they will use legal mechanisms to request a court authorize monitoring, fines, sentences, and sanctions.

              • Bad Debo

                Remember using a cassette recorder to record songs off of the radio? I did that ish a lot back before the internet became more accessible….was that technically stealing?

                • Val

                  Yes.

          • -h.h.h.-

            so if i’m walking down the block singing formation to myself (you’ve lived in NYC, that’s not crazy.) should i be sued for copyright infringement?

            • Hugh Akston

              well yes…

            • Val

              I don’t know if you should be sued for singing as you walk down the street but if you illegally downloaded the song to your music device in your backpack you may be sued.

              • -h.h.h.-

                lol.

                but i’m infringing on the copyright that is the melody of “formation”!! i must pay a fee or serve jailtime!

                lolol.

                for what it’s worth i download and i buy, mainly from amazon…i have about 350 albums to buy tho lol.

                • Val

                  I’m not versed in legal theory as it relates to copyright laws, 3xh. Lol But, if you sing her song while walking dwn the street and people start dropping coins in your Dunkin Donuts cup then technically I guess Bey (or the people who actually wrote the song) could sue you. :-)

          • NonyaB

            Copyright infringement is not theft. Copyright infringement is about perceived violation of the owner’s right to control copying of the property. So, the person who put music up online specifically to distribute without owner’s permission is infringing, especially if they make money doing so. The person downloading is technically implicated by collecting a copy of work made available illegally. But the very act of having a copy of a non-diminishing good (for lack of better term) is not theft neither is it automatically infringement. Otherwise, you’d be liable for even copying even music you paid between your devices (like PC to phone) – not that music industry didn’t try pushing for this interpretation.

            The struggle is the need to update these laws, which were drawn up pre-internet AND resisting the music industry’s claws. They lobby and push messaging like saying we’re killing poor artists when they really mean their money well’s drying up: Traditional music industry’s going obsolete. They can no longer control means of discovery and promotion or keep getting almost 100% of earnings (yes, artists earn that little per dollar sale) when talent can get discovered online and can earn more with merch and live shows. Unsuccessfully trying to push that mess of anti-piracy bills of SOPA and PIPA didn’t help.

  • Cleojonz

    I don’t steal music anymore because I’m lazy and I don’t listen to music the same way anymore. I’m hardly ever on my actual computer at home so to devote that kind of time to seeking out and procuring it I can’t do. Spotify has served me well.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      I mean you don’t really need your computer per se……At least that’s what i’ve heard. lol

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