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Why Casey Affleck’s Win Aint A Defense Against Nate Parker’s Loss

A few months ago, widespread rumblings about Casey Affleck’s sexual allegations began to surface in my social media space. To be completely real, my very first encounter was when someone dropped a NY Mag link in my women-centric industry Google Group. Not on my Twitter timeline, not on my Facebook feed, not via Instagram scrolling. There was nary a peep via my usual “breaking news” sources.

In 2010, two separate women accused Affleck of sexual harassment while working with him on the Joaquin Phoenix mockumentary, I’m Still Here, which he directed. The allegations, brought on by Amanda White and Magdalena Gorka (the film’s producer and cinematographer), included verbal and physical harassment on set. These resulted in $2 million and $2.25 million suits, respectively.

Weeks went by and I saw Affleck being taken to task by firm, yet small, movements. Even bigger still, was the campaigning of his frontrunner status as “Best Actor.” On Sunday night, January 8th, he won the Golden Globe for Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture – Drama, for his portrayal in Manchester By The Sea.

Inevitably, the comparisons creeped out. Nate Parker’s name drifted amongst his naysayers and defenders, alike.

Let’s list some similarities: Both have been accused of serious sexual allegations. Both have vehemently denied them. They’re both men.

And now, some differences: Parker was acquitted; Affleck reached a settlement for the suits. Parker’s case was criminal; Affleck’s case was civil. Parker was burgeoning into the mainstream; Affleck is Hollywood royalty.

Oh, and one more thing: Affleck is WHITE WHITE WHITE MCWHITE WITH A SIDE OF WHITEMALETTES.

It can’t be denied that there are stark differences between how media and society handles White celebrity and Black celebrity transgressions in relation to their career trajectory. Privilege is oh-so-very real and I can smell its mayonnaise-odor from here. There are myriad of examples of Blacklisting celebrities, while their White counterparts get to not only continue to cook, but thrive. But, I will never-ever-in-neverland-ever be here for using that — or Affleck’s flourishing — as a defense to advocate Nate Parker’s “right” to be let off the hook.

That is not a fight I’m willing to throw hands for, as you’ll catch a pile of bullshit. Affleck’s winning-tour is not a reason for Parker to “get off,” it’s a mirror held up to the tangled web of Hollywood’s racially-misogynistic depravity. Affleck’s golden gains doesn’t mean both men should be deemed right; it only shines a glaring light as to just how wrong they both are.    

I’m also not down for the “trauma Olympics” conversation brewing amongst the reports. Trauma is trauma is trauma is trauma. Now, there are various levels to sexual assault and criminal punishments that match for a reason, just as there are for battery in comparison to murder. Rightfully so. What I will NOT stand for; though, is any defense of “well this isn’t as bad as that,” in order to defend Affleck. The traumatic effects from continued sexual harassment triggered by a man in a highly-regarded position of power (who also maintains nominal power) is nothing to scoff at. And it’s certainly not an opportunity to exploit the horrifying and incomparable traumas of rape in order to downplay its effects.

As the poet-laureate, Meek Mill, once quipped, “There’s levels to this shit.” I am able to discuss the disparities between celebrities of color and the placating of peak White privilege: in this case, a protected Hollywood legacy, such as Affleck. I am able to peep how; since that November Affleck article, there has been several more articles; a bulk of people are just choosing to ignore it. I am able to discuss that without showboating on which situation is “worse,” and able to resonate on the fact that both are heinous, gross, and reprehensible. I am able to side-eye Parker on one side, and Affleck on the other. At the same damn time!

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  • Glo

    I hate this support-Nate-Parker-like-white-people-support-Affleck argument. All I hear is “Blah blah blah, give him a seat at the oppressor’s table, toooooooo.”

    We can support black men without also supporting rapists.

    • There’s far too many talented black people for the rapey n*gga from Red Tails to be thr champion I deserve

      • Agreed. He can just find a job like the rest of us.

        • He’s a terrible hill to die on.

          • Regardless of the acquittal, he just comes off as a trash human.

            • Excluding the accusations the level of daftness he displayed was troubling as f***.

            • Cleojonz

              He did it to himself. If he was at least a little more humble and remorseful he totally could have gotten around this. He didn’t even care enough to pretend.

              • B. Tracks

                Nah, I don’t believe there is anything he could’ve done to prevent this.

                He was a Sting ray in a pool of sharks.

                • Wise Old Owl

                  Having a Black Wife would of helped with some of his critics…see Bill Cosby for example….

                  • miss t-lee

                    Yeah, no.

                  • Cleojonz

                    That was so unnecessary. I didn’t even know he had ANY wife let alone a white one until well after he started imploding.

                    • Wise Old Owl

                      You did not, however, many of his critics found out and used it as another reason to boycott and not support him…Check Black Twitter, Madiamnoire and Bossip for example…

                  • Duff Soviet Union

                    I know you think Black women are obsessed with stuff like this, but they really don’t care. In addition to dating out much more often, Black men are much more obsessed with it. Black women aren’t the ones talking about “negro bed wenches”.

                    • Wise Old Owl

                      I know that you hate and despise Black Men….please don’t interact or reply to me directly again…From previous experience, you are very rude and have an agenda to bash and blame Black Men for all the sins in the history of the world… I respect your right to your own opinions and beliefs and I ask that you allow Black Men to have our own opinions and beliefs…Take care and enjoy your day…

                    • LMNOP

                      What in the entire fuck?

                    • Wise Old Owl

                      Based upon prior experience…just don’t have time or the energy to engage in a daily back and forth about Black Men and Black Women blaming each other constantly for the sins of White Folks…I am fully aware that for some, this is sport and trolling…but not for me….call me a Hotep if you wish, just see the bigger picture…and for the record, I love and respect Black Women and I am not defending Nate Parker as an excuse for Black Men to abuse Black Women, just because white males abused white and Black Women…

                    • “M”

                      That’s just … his schtick.

                      If you look upthread, and if you look on this thread

                      http://verysmartbrothas.com/why-white-women-like-leah-mcsweeney-are-a-menace-to-society-explained/

                      and this thread

                      http://verysmartbrothas.com/its-time-to-stop-allowing-ourselves-to-be-seduced-by-shitty-white-women/

                      you will see he is heavily, and repetitively ad nauseam, spouting that false equivalence — running around practically screaming that any WOC who dares to speak of a pattern of faulty community-damaging behavior that’s been well- and historically documented that black men do (especially if they do it disproportionately)

                      *Talladega U Trump Marching Band fanfare prior to announcement*

                      “hates black men”.

                      ‘kay.

                      If you are a person of discernment, you will also notice that as much as he rants from Ye Olde Soapbox about how many wimminz say “Black Men ain’t $h*t”, as he puts it, you will note additionally that he is the ONLY ONE doing that.

                      :-/

                      He calls himself Wise Old Owl but that Stockholm Syndrome-ish demand of “look past all faults in the men of your race all the time” is a Dumb Old Argument.

                      I also noted that as much as he rooted and shooted for “someone else to call out the faults of WOC as much as the faults of BM have been called out (still with the false equivalence, and obviously he’s had No Look in the Archives)” — he was exhorted many times to write such a post himself if he felt such a pressing need for it.

                      *looks around*

                      So far, no progress.

                      *sips tea*

                      Perhaps, because “no argument” — but that’s a different discussion and one I don’t have more time for today.

                      You have yourself a nice day now.

                    • Raspberry04

                      Please.Say.This.Again.

              • pls

                I wrote this message too many times to count…it all boils down to his public behavior being just despicable, regardless of what happened that night.

      • Slightly off subject question in regards to Nathaniel Parker: Are the Wotepians of the world stanning for Hidden Figures like they did Birf of a Nation?

      • Mary Burrell

        Yes Sir.??

    • Cleojonz

      “We can support black men without supporting rapists.”

      There are plenty much more deserving of that support.

      • Brother Mouzone

        I always wondered why R. Kelly got so much continued support even though his crimes were on TAPE and his track record was common knowledge from the beginning of his career. Can someone help me out on this?

        • Cleojonz

          I would imagine its for the same reason people continue to cape for Cosby so much. This whole idea that a successful black man doing good things for the community is being targeted so they don’t want to contribute to the downfall.

          Plus they’ll say he wasn’t actually convicted. The acrobatics people go through to justify people’s raggedy behavior I will never truly understand.

        • “M”

          Stockholm Syndrome. White women aren’t the only ones who suffer from it — and they’re not the only ones punished if they don’t stan for it, either.

        • pls

          I think his crimes for the most part weren’t hurting others. Not saying his crimes had no victims, but I think in the grand scheme of things, he was seen as just wildly inappropriate, while the others are actually drugging women and having them unknowingly participate in trains and such. Although, a teenager isn’t legally able to give consent, I think most people felt as though he hadn’t truly committed a crime. This is the only thing I can think of besides his music being a factor.

    • Tonja (aka Cheeks)

      THANK YOU. And our love for Black men shouldn’t be carelessly thrown about. We hold Black men accountable for their BS BECAUSE we love them. Parker is trash. Eff him.

      • Mary Burrell

        Yes, come through!

      • “M”

        Come through now.

    • Lea Thrace

      This is what Ive been shouting from the rooftops. What people dont realize is that POC/minority groups (for the most part) WILL take their own to task. 2520s stay letting everything slide because they do not operate collectively like that. We should not want to behave like that. And though it may mean less “wins” for us on the micro, on the macro, it makes us better people morally speaking.

    • Mary Burrell

      Yes to that.??

  • Val

    I agree, Cheekie. It always makes me sad when a Black and a White person do something heinous and the argument by some Black folks is that because the White person was not punished as much as the Black person the Black person should have received a lesser punishment.

    No, the White person should have received a more harsh punishment should be the argument.

    • Negro Libre

      I also think there’s another way of looking at it too, more so cultural as opposed to racial.

      Casey Affleck’s movie has no significance to white people as a whole. It’s not a movie that aims to show white people in a positive light, or a propaganda piece that is supposed to be spread to the rest of the world uplifting white history and propagandizing the idea of a historical white hero. I’m sure most white people don’t know that Casey made such a film, that most white people don’t know that he’s involved in such form of a case, and care either way.

      Whereas, all of that was the opposite with Nate Parker. He was making a film that is suppose to propagandize black history in the United States. His movie, as he said himself, aims to uplift the entire race as a whole; provide a hero that black people, most especially black men should aspire to be like. Thus what he was attempting to do and try, comes with high stakes. Thus why a lot more black people, men and women, knew about the fact that he was making a low budget movie. Thus why a lot of black people had a spotlight on him, and issues that he had in his past came to prominence as opposed to past films he had done in the past, that demanded less scrutiny.

      • Val

        I hear you, NL. And while the points you make are valid, like Todd said in his main comment on this thread, apparently there are a lot of White women in this country who, sadly, are willing to overlook s3xual harassment. Enough in fact to be the significant voting block in electing Trump.

        I think in this case, along with some of the points you made, explains why Casey is skating through this thus far.

        • Negro Libre

          But to be fair, didn’t a lot of black women support R.Kelly and his music for years (with a lot more evidence by the way and track record) as well? Not doing this to somehow defend white women, but to show that the desire to overlook the crimes and accusations of famous people, even when they are chexual in nature, is far more prominent in people across the board than we are comfortable admitting.

          • Tasha Lawrence?

            Very VALID point you got there sir.

          • Val

            Mmm, well, yes, there were/ are Black women who support RKelly. But, there are also huge numbers of Black women who not only do not support him but also take ever opportunity to point out who he really is.

            So, while there are Black women who have overlooked s3xual criminality by famous men, as many if not more have not been willing to overlook it.

            And after the election of Trump I’m just not sure the same can be said of White women. I mean, the proof is in the pudding, right?

            • Negro Libre

              I agree, but I also think we’re looking at this from different perspectives.

              All I’m saying is that people in general aren’t as quick to overlook crimes and chexual oriented crimes or accusations as much as we like to believe. I mean R.Kelly is an easy case, because he’s kind of it on our minds all the time, but lets use Tupac Shakur for example, he was also accused of engaging chexual assault and did time because of it. And yet, as opposed to R.Kelly a much larger percentage of black people have that immediate thought attached to him.

              A lot of times, the personality, politics and to some extent statements the person makes plays a role in how people react to accusations as well, Trump as opposed to Bill Clinton for instance. So yeah I don’t disagree that white women are probably more accepting of chexual criminality than black women, but I’d also point out, that such behavior is way more common when you open your eyes and look around.

              • Vitianagary

                I think you hit it on the head… nobody talks about Bill Cosby’s TRIAL anymore either… and there is a generation out there that idolized him. He came up in Trumps era… with more power… we sit silently and hope for the best.

          • TheUnsungStoryteller

            That’s good point. Meanwhile, I can’t stand R Kelly.

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        Yup, Nate Parker and his supporters believed in the power of film to galvanize black folks. Like a modern day Spook Who a Sat By The Door.

        Just like Talib Kweli started his movement!

        • Negro Libre

          Perhaps, salvation for black people will come when certain people realize that their resources would be better used, uniting with people who think like themselves, rather than trying to unite a “community” of over 40 million people and get them all on the same page.

          Which is why despite how much I hate Tyler Perry, I’ll always defend his hustle.

          • Question

            This. We aren’t a monolith, so we should stop trying to force each other to think and behave like one. That, and social pressure works wonders. When you (general) get called out for supporting rapey men within your peer and aspirational groups, you’ll at least think twice about unabashedly voicing said support for them.

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            We should be castigating Perry and his propaganda.

            The fact that he’s selling his opiates to the mass is not a cause for celebration. Like Bernie giving props to Donald for his accomplishment today.

            Seriously, we need to Hotep right. Not wrong.

            Drawing a hard line will also mean we’re great at parties.

            *Grabs ploughshare*

            • Negro Libre

              Lol, people gonna opiate man, you either give them something better or you know, drug war and ish.

          • J.E. Pierson

            Even after the things he’s said recently?

            • Negro Libre

              Hmmm, what do you mean?

              • Janelle Doe

                Calling people reverse racists for calling him out on an all white cast (I think he and Lee Daniels got in trouble about some comments recently)
                Val posted a link to it in a previous post.

                • Negro Libre

                  Oh that, I mean I don’t consider that having to do much with their “hustle.” That being said, I don’t like or even watch most of their works (I gave Empire a shot, and didn’t like it years ago.) But to each his/her own.

                • Tasha Lawrence?

                  Didn’t that come out the mouth of Daniels?? Or was he too in support?

          • Tasha Lawrence?

            Agree on TP.

      • Cleojonz

        I kept typing and deleting my comment because the words wouldn’t really come out the way I wanted them to, but I think you basically conveyed much better than I ever could what I was trying to say. We as black people care a little bit more (sometimes) about how our heroes represent us. We as a result are taking more of them to task and that’s a good thing. I think the onus is on white people to do the same with their so-called heroes.

        I don’t think there was some vast conspiracy to keep people from seeing Nat Turner it’s not like it’s not already in history for us all to read about, plenty of people are seeing it on their fire sticks or whatever in lieu of having trekked to a theater. I had no interest in seeing Nate Parker interviews so I don’t really know, but was it only black media outlets that questioned him on the rape allegations or did mainstream media do that as well? I have seen the Casey Affleck news pop up in articles but not as him being directly questioned on it so there is certainly a difference in the coverage in that sense.

        • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

          Legally, he can’t speak about it, so there’s no point in asking him directly.

      • Mary Burrell

        Well said Sir.??

      • Raspberry04

        So, in other words, CA’s didn’t challenge the notion of whiteness in any way, while NP’s did. Thus, NP needed to suffer because “how dare he put a mirror in front of the white race”?!?

      • Brother Mouzone

        Yeah, if he was making “Why Did I Get Married Four” the scrutiny would have been a LOT less. I never saw it, have no interest in seeing it, and didn’t even know who the brother was until this year.

    • NomadaNare

      Bruh if white folks didnt let sexual assault dissuade them from picking the current president elect why would it do anything to a profession who by comparison is small potatoes

      White folk will sacrifice their bodies well being and safety to uphold their modicum of whiteness

      Its sad really

      • Glo

        One of my white friends knew that her parents voted for Trump. The night of the election, she called her mom and said, “This is a man who advocates grabbing women by the p***y. How would you feel if a man tried to do that to me?” Her mom replied, “That’s happened to me before, and I survived. You’ll survive, too.” HER MOTHER. SAID THIS. TO HER OWN DAUGHTER. (And her mother is college educated, too.)

        It gave me an entirely new perspective on how much white people would be willing to sacrifice to uphold whiteness in this country.

        • Yahmo Bethere

          Sandy Hook.

        • Mochasister

          Oh. My. God. Her MOTHER said that to her own child?! I can’t imagine what kind of relationship they must have. I know that I know that I know my mama would fight to the death anyone who would dare to do anything like that to me. And I would do the same for my mother. Ain’t no way my mother would say some crap like that to me.

          • Glo

            The crazy thing is that her mom actually DOES love her. That’s what makes this even crazier to me.

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          That’s absolutely insane. It’s like an insecurity with their own womanhood.

        • Raspberry04

          SMH.

        • Brother Mouzone

          When I would speak on my distaste for aruh Kelly, I would hear similar things like, “that little girl knew what she was doin” or “her mama was okay with it so what’s the problem”? I stopped criticizing ol boy around women cause the push back and caping was so strong it was ridiculous.

      • Raspberry04

        #FACTUALS

      • Brother Mouzone

        Exactamundo!

    • Wise Old Owl

      I just ask that white males are held to the same high moral, ethical, legal and social standards that America holds for Black Males…#Bill O’Reilly, Bill Clinton, The Donald, Roman Polanski, Al Gore, and etc…White Male privilege is the foundation of American Society and the vast majority of white females will cape for white males, because they understand that their privilege and class is tied to that of their white male fathers, husbands, brothers and sons…
      I Wonder if the Tupac and Michael Jackson’s biopics are going to be boycotted…

      • Val

        What did Bill O’Reilly do? I mean beside being a racist for pay.

        • Wise Old Owl

          Numerous sexual harassment claims….and settlements…most recent settlement today…that’s my concern, many don’t even know about this or the fact that Al Gore was accused of rape…white male privilege…could you imagine if the Kennedy Clan and all their transgressions and sins were Black Males…

          • Lea Thrace

            dont forget wife beater. IN FRONT OF HIS CHILDREN.

            • Wise Old Owl

              Speak on it…white male privilege at its finest…

            • miss t-lee

              Bill been skating for years…

        • Yahmo Bethere

          Express a desire to put a Falafel into someone’s vadge.

          Yes. Fried chick pea flour balls.

          • Val

            Wow.

            • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

              O’Reilly’s own daughter said that she saw him assault his now ex-wife.

              • Mary Burrell

                He looks like a woman abuser.

                • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                  I agree with you Sister. He does a very bad temper even shown on his show. He’s a piece of work.

          • Lea Thrace

            flour balls just took me out.

        • Brother Mouzone

          He settled at least two sexual harassment/stalking cases.

      • pls

        just stop it.

        rapists of any race do not need your money or support. they and their victims need therapy.

    • Duff Soviet Union

      Right. Some of these men are really just arguing for the rights of Black men to be as horrible to women as White men are with no repercussions.

      • miss t-lee

        Woo!

      • Cleojonz

        Say it again!

      • Tonja (aka Cheeks)

        Bihhhh this WORD

        • miss t-lee

          ALL OF IT.

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      • Mochasister

        That is not a goal to be working towards.

      • TheUnsungStoryteller

        Message!!!

      • Mic.
        Drop.

      • Brother Mouzone

        From my reading of these comments, the brothas are just saying that white men should be held accountable just the same as any other man. Speaking on the hypocrisy of it all is not the same as arguing for the “right” to be just as horrible, but I’m sure that difference is hard to see through that man hating filter that you see life through.

        • Lisss

          Well, if that were true, why do these type of black men spend more time obsessing with white men not facing justice instead of calling out the predators in their communities? Like, i’m still waiting for a hotep piece on R. Kelly’s perversity but i won’t hold my breath though.

          • Brother Mouzone

            Is there an “obsession” or just comments on the subject at hand? And R. Kelly”s supporters were mostly the same ones throwing their panties at him.

            • Wise Old Owl

              Just like Michael Jackson’s supporters…Brother please don’t waste any more of your energy on this topic…you are a critical thinker and correctly analyzed that they hate Black Men, so there is no point of debating with an irrational and illogical hater of Black Men…especially Black Men who have the audacity to disagree with their daily trope that Black Men ain’t $hit…

              • pls

                i’m so sick of this tired fake azz argument. there is literally no one on earth that cares for black men as much as black women, not even other black men. you cannot go around raping women, period. you cannot go around being accused of raping women. why would you even want to defend such a person? r kelly and michael lost plenty of fans in the process, why do you need to rewrite history for nate frigging parker?

        • pls

          yyyyyyyea but no. there are still brothers arguing that parker is 100% innocent on the basis of him being black and the victim being a white woman. those men don’t want fairness. they want the power and agency of white men.

          • Brother Mouzone

            Oooooookay…

      • No Google

        Basically. They just want a seat at the table of white male supremacy.

    • Say it for the ppl in the back.

    • Mochasister

      “No, the white person should have received a more harsh punishment should be the argument.”

      This. No slaps on the wrist for anyone.

    • Raspberry04

      Same crime, same time.

    • Objection

      The words “not guilty” wasn’t used anywhere in this article. A black person found “not guilty” vs. a white person never being found “not guilty” are two different things. Let’s tell the truth and shame the devil, America refuses to believe a black man can be innocent of rape charges. America hates it when a black man is found not guilty. Period, end of article.

  • What we learned this past election season is that White women will cape for a r*pist White dude so long as he has some power or status. Casey with a different last name in Hollywood wouldn’t be so lucky. Casey Affleck, junior high school teacher would have had jokes about his last name as he was run out on a rail. This isn’t a regular White dude, but a White dude with power.

    I can’t tell White women what to do with that one. They don’t even want to lobby cops in large numbers to stop rapists, preferring to use college adjudication panels that serve a grand total of no one. I just know that I’m not caping for Nate Parker because of him.

    • Janelle Doe

      Speaking of yt dude powers, I am still trying to understand what Taylor’s ex was going on about …

      • IAmMikeBrown

        He was patting himself on the scepter for descending from Asgard to rescue the poor downtrodden Nubian masses.

        • Janelle Doe

          Oh, dear. Glad I missed it.

        • NonyaB?

          I heard the fool announced an apology. I knew nothing of him, just heard others describe as an actor (never watched him in anything). But when he became stooge #1190 in Darth Becky Swift’s PR dating-by-photoshoot parade, he effectively declared himself stupid.

    • Question

      This was my point; is white women’s willingness to cape for a rapey white dude indicative of White privilege or another reminder of how the White community values and polices itself?

  • cyanic

    More agitated by Casey steamrolling his way to Oscar victory over Denzel than how differently he’s treated in comparison to Parker. Parker is a jerk. And his crime is way more serious and his accuser is dead by suicide.

    • Jennifer

      This!

    • …aaaannnnd there you have it.

    • Mary Burrell

      Preach!

    • Raspberry04

      Thank you!!!

  • Negro Libre

    I think race has less to do with it than most. A good segment of NP’s audience had issue with his past that he poorly managed. For Affleck, he didn’t get the same backlash and if he did, he managed it way better.

    The other reason I don’t see the difference between the two as being primarily race-oriented, is because I don’t see such type of coversations about NP and the film happening in other races or marginalized groups to the extent we usually have them.

  • Other_guy13

    Hmmm another Nate Parker article in 2017…I have no time for Hotep Trolls today….have fun http://i.imgur.com/3CFcHZU.gif

    • Val

      Well, since you don’t want to talk about this maybe you can answer a question; is Angela Rye from Chicago?

      • HouseOfBonnets

        Let me do a quick Google.

        • Val

          Lol I would have but I figured since I had an Angela stan right in front of me he’d know.

          • Other_guy13

            I’m not s stalker tho

      • Tam

        @disqus_COadNnnOVt:disqus Did you catch her breakfast club interview?

        • Other_guy13

          I did…..my feet have yet to touch the ground

      • mssporadic

        Seattle.

        • Val

          Mmm, interesting. Thanks.

      • Other_guy13

        I can neither confirm nor deny

    • Tonja (aka Cheeks)

      *Birdman handrub*

    • IAmMikeBrown

      #stolt.

    • Mary Burrell

      Lulz?

  • HouseOfBonnets

    Keeping the seriousness of this story in mind I must highlight the following:

    As the poet-laureate, Meek Mill, once quipped, “There’s levels to this ish.”

    Nice to know that young meek can catch at least one break in an already bleak 2017. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e3895316377d1682593622410d4c246c1456f31fa921ddcd25bfdc28d9ed3a31.gif

    • B. Tracks

      Their relationship was faker than her a**

      • Other_guy13

        But nobody cared about the fakeness of her a##

        • HouseOfBonnets

          They really didn’t, we only care when she tries to twerk. As much as I love Nicki…… I just don’t see it.

          • Other_guy13

            I just like to look at her…idk why but she does it for me. I look past the twerk like y’all look past Cam Newton’s mom jeans.

            • HouseOfBonnets

              Unfortunately cam lost more. Than a bit of his luster for me when he opened his mouth and went reverse blm everywhere…. That and the aka closet he’s raiding.

              I’ll stick to OBJ at least with him I only have to worry about him fighting nets plus he dances. ????

              • Raspberry04

                Girl, OB GYN is a bigger diva than me and you combined…

                He’s fine, though…

            • Val

              “…idk why but she does it for me.”

              http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/363/814/eb7.gif

              • Mr. Mooggyy

                All’s fair in fake a$$es and a pretty smile!

                • Val

                  Nope.

              • Valerie

                I don’t see it either lol

                • Other_guy13

                  Don’t be like that….

              • NomadaNare

                When she cleans up she is quite pretty even with the fake phatty

                • Val

                  No.

                • Raspberry04

                  She looks weird when she wears regular clothes (e.g. jeans, t-shirt). I recommend that she trade in her model for something more…economical.

                  • NomadaNare

                    I dont see it

                    Usually when we wears regular clothing she looks quite regular but in a very attractive way like in Barbershop 3

                    I am with her toning it all the way down

              • IAmMikeBrown

                In all fairness, she’s got an appeal when she’s not being extra. She looks like a young Chaka Khan.

                • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast
                  • IAmMikeBrown

                    Goodness.
                    I don’t wanna take away from the beauty of beautiful women in the 21st century (if that makes sense), but women in the 20th century, particularly in the epoch of the 70s and 80s, were just untouchably bad. Maybe it’s me.

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      It aint just you.

                    • IAmMikeBrown

                      Her bellybutton was talking to me.

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      The hint of venus/happy trail is what sucked me in

                    • IAmMikeBrown

                      Ni66a!

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      I’m trying to be better, but the way my sin is set up . . .

                    • IAmMikeBrown

                      God knows your heart.

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      I certainly hope not.

                    • Mochasister

                      It said, “¡Sécate la baba nene!”

                    • IAmMikeBrown
                    • Mochasister

                      Ewww!

            • Clearly, like me, you see the beauty within Nicki. These twerk police be hatin, Guy. Don’t let them rob you of your joy. You love her like she deserves to be loved dang it.

            • Brother Mouzone

              Her twerk is better than Serena wack @ss twerk..lol.

        • B. Tracks

          Nobody cared about their relationship either. I dont believe non of these “celebrity” relationships.

          Nicki and her assets are overrated.

          • I resent that Nicki is always reduced to her *possible* surgical enhancements. She’s a whole talented person, yanno. With AMAZING eyeliner skills. Can’t we redirect our focus at all?? Her eye makeup game is real AF.

            • B. Tracks

              Her skills on the mic is all I care for. And I havent heard anything recently from her that I’ve really been digging,

              Everything else is meh….

              • I bet you her next album will be hot fiyah.

                • B. Tracks

                  It better be. I haven’t really been listening to any of todays “popular” rap artist because they’ve all been boring.

                  That Drake song “Fake Love” is hitting, tho.

                  • I HATE that song. It’s so whiny and lame and unnecessary and never-ending. Blech! But I also really don’t like Drake. He stay singin about fake problems. Other than feeling Bad and Boujee every now and again, and that new Jidenna joint, meh. I’m losing touch with hippity hop.

                    • B. Tracks

                      I like hearing Draco cry about imaginary beef with imaginary enemies. I don’t like him, but he’s usually good for at least one hummable tune a year.

                      I didn’t care for anything else he put out this past year #doe.

                    • From his SNL sketch, it seems he gets it. Yet he still carries on with the bit. It’s tired.

                    • B. Tracks

                      He knows its tired, but its paying for that infinity pool so I don’t think he’s going to stop anytime soon.

                    • He just makes music for other people with imaginary beefs to enjoy. Which makes it even more annoying. I never thought I would relate more to hardcore rap, but I do. It feels like all these young rappers do now is whine and take drugs, rinse, repeat.

                    • B. Tracks

                      The game has become so wack that I don’t really listen to the radio. But I know what you mean. I have really been feeling the drill movement coming from the Northside of Chicago.

                      It is definitely some violent *NSFW ish. But as far as bars go, they are leagues ahead of whats poppin on radio and even on other sides of the city.

                    • Duly noted.

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      Recommendations?

                  • This n*gga Drake swear there’s a conspiracy against him, people just don’t like you, Aubrey

                    • B. Tracks

                      He’s overstayed his welcome a looong time ago. But he’s getting educated BW and yt folks money.

                      He aint going down no time soon as long as he has the backing of that audience.

                    • Only a real sucka can’t look in the mirror and admit that they don’t see a real sucka.

            • Negro Libre

              Possible though…

              • YOU DON’T KNOW HER LIFE! Maybe she fell asleep funny and woke up like that! You never know! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e5e141e8ded8906c0a24d2099df39ea4729f9872fde6afce8135feab8226e067.gif

                • Negro Libre

                  You’re right, she went to bed, woke up and voila:

                  Benign Tumor Booty.

                  • It’s plausible. You fall asleep with a heavy meal in your tummy and wake up with it on your gluteus maximus regions. Still, she soldiered on. Again, she shouldn’t be reduced to what she sits on. She doesn’t sell sofa cushions for a living.

                    • Negro Libre

                      I don’t think she’s being reduced to it, she’s clearly skilled with or without it, but like a shadow, she can’t escape it. Furthermore, there’s a good documentary from vice where a skripper up in ATL is talking about getting a New Booty and seeing a 300% return on her gross income afterwards.

                      That new booty be putting Warren Buffet and Charlie Munger to shame.

                    • lol You DVRd that documentary, didn’t you? I mean, enhancing your appearance in a looks-driven industry should bring returns. She did the math and it paid off. I’m not mad.

                    • J.E. Pierson

                      I saw that doc. Those butts looked insane.

                    • IAmMikeBrown

                      Link, please. For a friend.

                    • Negro Libre

                      I mean, its NSFW

                      Just enter “Vice Buttloads of Pain” in youtube lol

                    • Michelle

                      The thing that I’m trying to understand is why women go 4XL with their booty… Um… Modifications. Rather than go with something that proportionate to their hips and thighs.

                    • Negro Libre

                      Lies lead to more lies, in more ways than one.

                    • Michelle

                      I hope that they’re happy with it, especially for the recipients who received the bargain basement specials.

                      I think there’s going to be some women, who are going to develop ‘buyers’ remorse’ once the “trend” dies down (in other words, Whyte women).

                    • Negro Libre
                    • Lea Thrace

                      tasteful plastic surgery is a lost art. Its been Americanized. GO BIG OR GO HOME!

                    • Michelle

                      That has to be it.
                      Close to three years ago, a relative of mine had gone to Maryland for a “girls’ weekend” and she came back as a centaur.

                      My relative is naturally a ‘size four’ and 5’4. Her new addition was about at the lower spectrum of ‘plus size’.

                      Of course my mouth said that she looked great, but my face (according to her BF’s sister) appeared as if I was suckling on a sh*t-covered lemon.

                    • Mary Burrell

                      Cackling @”centaur “????

                    • Lea Thrace

                      CAME
                      BACK
                      AS
                      A
                      CENTAUR

                      I hate you so much right now.

                    • Michelle

                      A centaur with the legs of a nanny goat.

                    • Lea Thrace

                      will you let me breathe!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast
                    • Mochasister

                      I know what you mean. I would love to have Serena’s donk but I don’t. We can’t all have ginormous behinds and that’s ok. As long as your back doesn’t extend into your buttocks region a la Hank Hill, you’re fine.

                    • RaeRae

                      Yeah, that got me too.

                    • “Came back as a centaur” sounds like a Gucci lyric.

                    • Lea Thrace

                      GUWOP!

                    • RaeRae

                      A centaur????!??!?!?!?! WHY???????? You know what…I’m taking my dolls and I’m going home. I can’t play witcho!!!!!!!

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      Back during my wife’s single days, a guy told her she was like a lobster. All the meat in the tail. She’s natural though.

                    • Mochasister

                      Hmm, that’s an interesting comment.

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      It sounds funnier/cuter with a Jamaican accent.

                    • Raspberry04

                      Not a centaur! ?

                      It will forever be #SagSeason.

                    • Raspberry04

                      Super size like a MF in these streets.

                    • Mochasister

                      I will be too glad when this fake booty craze is over. Also, the lip injections fad needs to die as well. I’m also getting tired of all this daggone highlighting and contouring. I like my Negro nose just fine thank you.

                  • Tasha Lawrence?

                    If this ain’t ??????, I don’t know what is

            • Catfish Jenkins

              Who cares if she’s enhanced, I wanna know why she ain’t got bars for Remy? She knows she’ll get out rapped and paws put on her if she get fresh.

            • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

              Focus on the important stuff. I get it.

            • Janelle Doe

              AF. She should host a YouTube makeup channel.

            • Mochasister

              She’s pretty when she wears a more toned down makeup look. I’m not going to say anything about the enhancements issue.

            • Raspberry04

              *possible*? ?

          • Tam

            How is 2017 treating you Brass?

            • B. Tracks

              Great.

              A nicca shining like new money.

              • Tam

                Well continue to shine man.

          • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

            Wayyyyy overrated

          • Tasha Lawrence?

            You best find her overrated.?

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        Goose down or polyester fill, I know where I want my head to rest

        • Amen.

        • B. Tracks

          Im good on all that. No exploding assets for me. I have to move cautious around hazardous material.

    • This was GREAT news to start my 2017. Even if I have to go into hiding after the 19th, I have this news to keep me warm in my bunker.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        I was conflicted tbh. Although meek is a clown he does have a few rachet club bangers that I may or may not have on a secrets of kod personal playlist…… I haven’t been able to listen to him good since back to back.

        • I have to know at least two Meek Mill songs due to my Philadelphia residency… but even still, I want better for her. Their lack of photo-compatibility alone was hurting my feelings.

          • HouseOfBonnets

            I mean you’re not lying in that regard.

          • Raspberry04

            Girl, he was too young for her. Let’s be honest.

            • That’s a good point, men in their 20s got no dang good sense…

        • Jennifer

          Does it count if you didn’t know it was Meek Mill when you bopped to it? That’s my testimony.

      • B. Tracks

        Meek really needs to get back to rapping. His entire schtick has become stale since he started messing with Young Money.

        • He had a schtick ever? Oh…

          Look, I just can’t have him messing up my girl’s photo ops to be honest. He gave me “All Eyes on You” and for that I am thankful. But he is apparently unable to make a normal face for the camera.

          • B. Tracks

            Meek was hot. His Flamers mixtape years, as well as his earlier stuff with MMG. And people forget that his “Dreams and Nightmares Intro” is arguably the hottest street banger since “In Da Club.”

            Now he’ better known as Nicki’s former rebound and Drakes Pinata.

            • Negro Libre

              Sometimes messing with a woman can raise or reduce your swag – can’t slack off and be all secure in your relationship and ish. Nick Cannon’s swag went up after being with Mariah (he didn’t have much to begin with). Other times like Meek, your swag goes down, kind of like Brad Pitt before and After Angelina Jolie.

              Someone needs to start a business for Swag insurance, so anytime you feel you’re losing it like Tom in the Boondocks, some pimp will come thru and slap you back into shape.

              • B. Tracks

                Niccas get too comfortable. There’s a Vlog personality named Dj Akademiks and he was saying how when men get into relationships. We tend to get too comfortable, and start to let ourselves go because…happy.

                And in doing so, we lose what made us attractive to the opposite chex (and our mate) in the first place. So I think Swag Insurance to become an actual thing.

                • Tam

                  I thought that was something only women did.

                  • B. Tracks

                    Nah. Its a mutual thing. You ever have a homie that after maybe a year or so into the relationship, has become hella fat?

                    • Tam

                      Yeah. However, that accusation tend to be leveled at women more often than not, though some of the persons who are accusing need to keep their traps shut.

                    • B. Tracks

                      I hear said towards women as well. But I KNOW men get it as well.

                    • Tam

                      That is refreshing to hear. I haven’t heard it being leveled at men as much as women I must admit. Though a lot of women do not help themselves, especially once children come into the picture.

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      Men that gain more weight than their pregnant wives.

                    • Mochasister

                      Lol at hella fat!

                • Janelle Doe

                  Ok but how would that work? And what about “swag loss” settlements or vomoensation for swag damages in divorces?

                  • B. Tracks

                    Hmm… I think it all depends on who upgraded who.

                    If there was a mutual “Glo-Up”, and both parties benefitted from the alliance, then both parties should split the swag 50-50. No taking pot shots and lil digs just because.

                    However, if one was on and elevates the other and/ or losses swag in the process… That person maybe credited swag alimony for the foreseeable future (Or for as long as the other party remains relevant.)

                    • Raspberry04

                      Maybe swag alimony until the weight burns off?

                  • Janelle Doe

                    *compensation

                • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                  Luckily being vain AF keeps those swag insurance dollars in my pocket.

                  • Mochasister

                    I think a little vanity is a good thing.

                  • Raspberry04

                    SMH.

                    #VAF2017

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      T-shirt

    • Tonja (aka Cheeks)

      That addition is truly the summation of my writing style. Even with such a serious post I have to throw in some goof. I mayyyyyy be a better person in 2017. Maybe not. Prolly not. I ain’t ish.

      • “I ain’t ish.”

        To your credit you’ve always openly acknowledged this fact.

        • Tonja (aka Cheeks)

          You know me, Wu. You get me. Good to see ya round our old stopping grounds btw!

        • Other_guy13

          SC had a good weekend btw….I give y’all props

          • What good happened for South Carolina?

            • Other_guy13

              Clemson won….Clowney showed out

              • I’m glad for Clowney (although he beat my squad.) Nary a d**m, kcuf, or sh*t to allocate to Clemson. #rolltide

      • HouseOfBonnets

        And I love you for it, keep it up. I like my political/social commentary with a side of cardi b.

      • miss t-lee

        “I mayyyyyy be a better person in 2017. Maybe not. Prolly not”

        The motto.

        • Tonja (aka Cheeks)

          Lmao yassss tee

        • Lea Thrace

          where the tshirts at tho? I need a slew of em.

          • miss t-lee

            For real. These would sell!!

    • Negro Libre

      Caption:

      “Wait and see, my next album is gonna go gold…like my chains!”

    • IAmMikeBrown

      Whose purse is he gonna hold now?

  • CHEEEEEEKS!!!!

    • Other_guy13

      The usual suspects are back….it’s gone be a good year.

      • Tonja (aka Cheeks)

        Awww you guiiiise ??

      • Tam

        But you are still in hiding.

        • Other_guy13

          Nah, just been working for the first time since….ever

          • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

            I am trying not cumulatively do a week’s worth of work until, at the earliest, June.

            • Other_guy13

              Good luck with that…I’m tryna get this money…might be all gone in 2018

              • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                Cheeto’s victory upended my industry. Plus my goal for the fiscal year was $65MM in new loan production. I did $100MM the first quarter of my fiscal year, topped off by working my first Monday in Jamaica on vacation. I ain’t work’n no more until June.

                • Other_guy13

                  Well…I’m impressed. Mainly because you worked on vacation in Jamaica.

                  • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                    To top it off it was the smallest of all the deals. Shrug, they gonna miss me when I’m gone.

    • Tonja (aka Cheeks)

      Hiiiiii!!!! ?

  • Other_guy13

    Any-who Jeff Sessions has been entertaining today….I can’t wait til tomorrow

    • Negro Libre

      It’s still going on…

      This is why I’ll never go into politics.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        Politics was no longer an option for me when I discovered that you can use curse words within debate. ????

        • Jennifer

          …and it’s still going on.

      • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

        That and the thing you did that one time where you slipped up and left a witness.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      I mean the leaps and bounds he’s been taking.

    • Meanwhile Dylann Roff is doing his best to become a martyr for his “Cause.”

      http://abcnews.go.com/US/jurors-hear-closing-arguments-dylann-roof-trial/story?id=44673859

      • Dude is obviously in solitary somewhere. He needs an unfortunate “shower accident.”

        • He already had one.

          • Really?
            …and hes still able to speak.

            • Some dude stole on him in the shower.

              • Somebody snuck out of solitary just to make sure he caught at least on of them hands. Kinda made me proud.

          • miss t-lee

            He meant the Jeffrey Dahmer style “shower accident”.

      • Other_guy13

        I hope he gets life

        • BatmansExWife

          Well, he got death.

          • LMNOP

            Even better.

            • TeeChantel

              Isn’t it what he wanted though?

              • LMNOP

                Is it? I didn’t realize that. I honestly am against the death penalty, but if we have it, this is exactly the kind of crime it should be punishing.

                • Epsilonicus

                  He wants to become a martyr.

    • Val

      If entertaining equals scary.

    • grownandsexy2

      And who are these black pastors endorsing him, saying he’s not racist? SMH

  • It just goes to show White dudes really are playing the game on easy. $4 million dollars din’t help OJ’s case go away, okay bad example.

    • Jennifer

      Nah. It’s the perfect example.

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