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Why 13% Of Black Men Voted For Donald Trump, Explained

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According to exit poll numbers, 13% of the Black men who voted in the Presidential election voted for Donald Trump.

Yeah, I know.

This even surpasses the number of Black male voters who went for both McCain and Romney. 

I know that too.

Can you explain how that happened? Why would 13% of Black men vote for this man?

Because some niggas is stupid.

Really? Some niggas is stupid? That’s your explanation? 

Yes. There’s really no need to expound. 13% of niggas just don’t have the good sense God and Issac Hayes gave them.

Does this surprise you at all?

That 13% of Black men voted for a man who unabashedly engages and cultivates racists like they’re grass-fed chickens? Yes. But, that 13% of niggas are dumb enough to do that? Nah.

Why not?

Because, generally speaking, 13% of niggas are dumb. If you grabbed a random sampling of 10 niggas, between 1 and 1.3 of them are going to prone to prolonged bouts of dumbassshitness. It’s science.

Now, I’m aware the 13% of niggas being dumber than a misspelled yield sign stat sounds brutal. But for comparison’s sake, 21% of men generally are dumb. So there are actually less dumb as the fuck Black men than dumb as the fuck men in general.

Interesting! Why do you think this is?

Niggas just can’t afford to be dumb, which is something we all know, so it’s usually shamed/beaten by tree branches of love out of us at a young age. Grown-ass dumb-ass Black men end up on WorldStar or named “Tyga.” Grown-ass dumb-ass White men end up in the White House.

So if you happen to meet a grown-ass dumb-ass nigga, know that his stupidity is intentional. Premeditated. Calculated. That he’s had decades worth of grandmas and teachers and coaches and homies and barbers and lovers desperately trying to iron some sense into his natural Black ass — some even willing to sacrifice their own asses for his — but he was so set on being a dumb motherfucker that it didn’t matter. Know that this nigga tried his damn hardest to be dumb; he studied stupidity; he gave more effort — more blood, sweat, and tears — into intellectual fuckshitlery than anything else.

Be afraid of that nigga. Be very afraid.

This is quite fascinating. So, if you don’t mind me asking, how does a grown-ass Black man end up being so damn stupid?

There are myriad possible causes. Some are so obsessed with being close to Whiteness — being loved and accepted by White people or constructing himself in the White man’s image (or both) — that it fries their brain cells; effectively turning them into a crumpled pair of Wrangler jeans. Some are hamstrung by patriarchy, where latent misogyny is so deeply embedded into their psyches that they’re not even aware its there. Some treat Christianity like a bottomless brunch buffet; deciding to choose which parts of the Bible they’ll follow and which ones they’ll ignore. (“Lemme have the Eggs Rockefeller and the disdain for gay marriage. But I’ll pass on the no premarital sex. That shit can stay in the tray.”) Some order all of their reading material from the ads in the back of Smooth Magazine. And some just got really caught up in Pre-Paid Legal in the late 90s.

Add each of these populations together (and control for the overlap) and you have 10 to 13% of niggas.

Thank you for the explanation!

You’re welcome! Any time!

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  • HouseOfBonnets

    You’re welcome

    Check out @crissles’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/crissles/status/798048390638686208?s=09

    • catgee12

      Original Aunt Viv and Prince!!!! Hosanna!!! And the beat is low key fire …

      • miss t-lee

        Only lowkey? It’s hot.

        • Kas

          Fyah

    • miss t-lee

      After hearing this all over the past two days, I’ll never listen to “Hold My Mule” the same again.

  • Rastaman

    Because America is just as sexist as it is racist!!

  • Digital_Underground

    Hillary still got about the normal Democrat range of the Black vote, about 88%. That’s in line with every other Democrat not named Obama in the last 30 years. You can’t fix stupid. And a Black man voting for Trump just might be stupid. But guys like that didn’t cost Hillary the election.

    • Cybil the Cat.

      Some were looking out for their economic interest, or so they claimed.

      • Digital_Underground

        That’s BS and they know it. Kind of hard to worry about your tax bracket when you are busy worrying about being a victim of police violence.

        • Cybil the Cat.

          I guess if they figure that if you join the line you would not be i.ded as a black man and treated as such. After all if you comply with the orders of a police, nothing will happen to you.

        • PinkRose

          That’s just it. Black men in higher tax brackets usually are NOT victims of police violence in the way people like Eric Garner experienced it.

          • mr. steal your costco samples

            ayo you can still catch one, like that no-lineup nyukka whatshisface who was in the WaPo with his no-lineup Princeton kids.

            • PinkRose

              No doubt, but I’m talking probabilities here.

      • Tarik

        By voting for a man who filed bankruptcy 6 times.

        • mr. steal your costco samples

          they have no good faith reasons. it’s just some blahblahblah. i aggressively tune out. tell it to ya mama.

        • Cybil the Cat.

          All businessmen face hardtimes, *kanye shrug*

  • Annalise Keating

    Perhaps there are black men who think of themselves as individuals (as opposed to a part of a collective). They know that other people (including white folks) think of them as part of a collective but they refuse to accept that definition. They have decided to live on how they define themselves not based on how others define them.
    Some of these men do not have any interest in being close to whiteness. They mostly have an interest in their own success.

    Perhaps some of those men voted for Trump based on his policies (lower taxes, dismantling Obamacare, and other fiscally conservative policies) and didn’t care about his other personal values/beliefs.

    • Val

      Republicans have proven time and time again that unless you’re a corporation or part of the 1% you’re not going to get anything from them. So, they, these Black men, are just as clueless as non-wealthy White folks who vote Republican.

      • Annalise Keating

        The men I am describing here are wealthy. at least the one I knew who voted for Trump.

        • Cybil the Cat.

          Not all, but wish to be. See Esp comment.

      • Digital_Underground

        Just like all the “blue collar” Americans who want Trump to go after illegal immigrants. They wouldn’t last two hours picking lettuce under the conditions those immigrants work with. Better yet the business owners aren’t letting go of their cheap labor supply. The entire immigration debate is one big dog and pony show.

        • Bah Debo

          Exactly. Alabama cracked down on immigration within the state a few years ago. Thousands of Hispanic immigrants fled the state, only to leave several cheap labor farming jobs open. There was a VICE story on a group of people who went to fill in those jobs. Out of the few handful that started the job, only one (a black male) stayed to continue that very physically hard work….the rest dipped with the quickness

    • Mr. Mooggyy

      There was a small business owner who called into Sway in the morning. He said he voted for Trump because the ACA was killing him and he wanted it dismantled! So I get that self entitlement thing with black men.

      • Annalise Keating

        Thank you for this! We are not a monolith. Some folks voted for him purely for economic reasons.

        • mr. steal your costco samples

          the folks going for Trump are universally (monolithically, even) claiming not to be a monolith.

        • pls

          That rich white openly racist man is not helping anybody get money but himself. He doesn’t even pay people who work directly for him, you think he’s gonna help your economic situation? He used his campaign money as his personal checking account. Or was that a liberal lie?

          • Sigma_Since 93

            Co Sign. He didn’t screw over the big contractors…he screwed over the small business, the same ones he wants to help, because he knew they didn’t have the means to fight a protracted legal battle.

          • Hugh Akston

            It doesn’t matter with those folks

            That’s what I learned actually trying to understand their thinking

            The guy said he could walk down the street and kill someone he wouldn’t lose a single vote and he didn’t after that point I knew he was going to win

            And the black dude that got kicked out even though he was a drumpf supporter? Blamed himself and still voted for him

          • Annalise Keating

            I did not vote for Trump. I think he is trash too.

      • Hugh Akston

        That’s probably the only thing I didn’t like about the aca that small business part however there were plans outlined to fix that part by the dems but 13% of those men are probably not business owners

        And the republicans presented essentially nothing that would better his life so that argument itself is hogwash

        • Annalise Keating

          He was not saying that the guys reason is right or wrong. He was just saying that some black men voted for him for other reasons besides the ones Damon listed in his article.

          • Epsilonicus

            Still makes them dumb

          • Hugh Akston

            Well of course

            But that still make them stupid because those arguments are not based on facts

            Going with fox talking points in light of evidence is what make them idiots

            I mean there were folks that voted for David dukes recently the same argument can be made doesn’t make that black person any less stupid

      • Digital_Underground

        Trump is already wavering on Obamacare.

        • Mr. Mooggyy

          ***Disqus Jail for previous comment because they petty***

          Because he has no policy! Whatever sounds about right, he will go with.

    • cakes_and_pies

      I know 2 Black men who voted for Trump. They are vested in being known for their “otherness” rather than their individuality.

      • Annalise Keating

        Interesting…otherness as in black other? If yes, what was their reason for voting for trump? Just curious…

        • cakes_and_pies

          Yep, Black other. They just think Republicans are better and refuse to see them as divisive and ignore the fact the fact that these ‘new ‘republicans are just bad people.

          • Annalise Keating

            Got it. I know folks like that too. Except they don’t think republicans are better. They think both parties don’t give a F*ck about black people. They just choose republicans because they are either socially conservative or like republicans fiscal conservative policies.

            • mr. steal your costco samples

              is it ok to be aggressively uninterested as to why these cats stay wrong? like if you burn down your own house deep frying the turkey i just wanna point and laugh, I don’t want to empathize or understand why your dumb bum though it was a good idea at the time, k?

              • Annalise Keating

                I think understanding is the only way to prevent future catastrophes….how can someone grow if they don’t know what the problem is?

            • cakes_and_pies

              Those people are tiring. They never shut up about their political affiliation.

              • mr. steal your costco samples

                NEVER EVER. Any of y’all remember Booker Rising? yooooo

    • Digital_Underground

      “Perhaps some of those men voted for Trump based on his policies…”

      This would have required Trump to present a coherent set of workable policies prior to the election.

    • Hugh Akston

      Lower taxes for whom? When engaging those individuals it only takes a couple minutes to realize all of their arguments are based on fantasy not actual stated policies

      If you’re going by policies alone drumpf presented essentially nothing

      When ever I asked a drumpf supporter which policy of his they would support they just start stuttering and say Hillary is a criminal nothing about actual policies

      • Mr. Mooggyy

        Lower taxes for the top 1% of earners. Trickle down economics does not work! Cutting taxes across the board will yield lower revenue. Adding to the debt. These rich folk ain’t creating no more jobs!

        But that all famous Trump stutter was crazy! Like….what does he believe in really!? Can you answer that? (in relation to Trump supporters)

        • Hugh Akston

          That’s exactly the point no one knows what he believes in

          Is he actually going to build a wall? Cut taxes for the rich? Repeal Aca?

          Let’s go with the tax cut for one perscent how many of those black men are part of that 1%? Isn’t oprah richer than the richest black man? Or at least close to it?

        • Annalise Keating

          I wasn’t saying what these guys believed trump would do is true. I was only stating what they believed.

          But either way isn’t that what most people go on? The promises that are made during the campaign?

      • Annalise Keating

        If you make 30K/year then it doesn’t mAtter either way.
        But if you make 300K/year I could see why trumps promises seem more enticing. This group gets killed the most with taxes. Especially if you are single. They don’t make enough (like the millionaires) to qualify for all those exemptions that prevent the super wealthy from paying any taxes. So depending on what state they live, they could end up paying >50% in taxes (including state and city tax). I am not saying that Trump will keep his promises. But if you are just going based on just promises made I can see why it may Trumps tax cuts would seem enticing.

        • mr. steal your costco samples

          noooooooooooooope.

          nobody pays an effective rate of 50% at 300K. Especially if they get the federal deduction from state / local taxes.

          • Annalise Keating

            I paid that last year. But I live in New York City where I pay New York State tax (one of the worst in the country) and New York City tax.

            • Kas

              My first paycheck in NYC was a rude awakening. Like what the fuck City charges income taxes?!

              • mr. steal your costco samples

                ours does too — but I still can’t get you to 50% taxes on an effective rate basis with 8% state and 5% city, just the state / city deduction off federal means that maff ain’t maffing.

                • Kas

                  No argument from me. However, I swear (in jest), that when it was all said and done it felt like about 60% was missing.

                  • mr. steal your costco samples

                    ayo it’s HUGELY expensive as is life, people just stay conflating “irritating expense” with “taxes”. conservatives didn’t help by calling every dang thing a “hidden tax”

                    • Annalise Keating

                      I didn’t file my taxes myself. I do remember being shocked when my accountant told me how much I still owed the govt especially because they already deducted so much from my pay check. Then he started giving me all the percentages it added up very close to 50%. I didn’t know each percentage was a percentage of the already deducted percentage.

                      either way I did noticed that I paid at least 40% of my income in taxes. I would have to go back and look at the exact number though….

                • mr. steal your costco samples

                  to wit, http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/effective-tax-rate-size-income

                  something like 9,000 returns TOTAL between 2000-12 hit 50%+ effective rate

              • Annalise Keating

                Agreed. It is so painful!

              • Yes they do. The difference is that if you own a house or condo, property taxes a low compared to the surrounding suburbs.

                • Kas

                  I will take your word for it.

            • mr. steal your costco samples

              nah, you didn’t. your maff ain’t maffing.

              300K is a 33% Federal Tax Bracket, but the first 190K or so is in a lower bracket, so the effective rate on that 300K is lower that 33%. and it’ll get lowered further by deductions / any other stuff like 401(k) contributions and student loan debt.

              For NYC/state, top rate combined is 13%. That’s deductible from fed tax, so it’s not like you can add 33% and 13%. Same thing with property tax, you have to net out your tax against the value of the deduction.

              Further, your 6% SSDI stops at 115K or so, so that’s not really 6% on an effective rate basis, either.

              There really is no way anyone gets to 50% in a 33% bracket without either being willfully ignorant of taxes and / or refusing to take available deductions.

              We made around there last year and our effective rate was maybe 23% (jurisdiction has 3% state & 3% city tax). don’t believe the hype on taxes.

              • Annalise Keating

                I think the key word in your comment is “we”. If 300K is joint income then wouldn’t the taxes be much lower than a single person? I filed as a single person.
                I will have to go back and look at all the exacts but there were some extra taxes you didn’t mention for those who make >250K. One I Remember was 1% extra for the ACA…

                • Kas

                  Screw your taxes, you need to hold some seminars are getting higher paying jobs. :)

                  • Annalise Keating

                    Lol

                • mr. steal your costco samples

                  yeah, after 200K+ or so, there was additional medicare. but again that’s not 1% effective rate, it’s 1% on dollars above the threshold.

                  joint is a little bigger brackets than single, but 300K is still firmly in 33% for single

                  • mr. steal your costco samples

                    plus my example was working with the single brackets.

                • Kas

                  Any chance your math is including the reduction in pay from receiving restricted stock options?

                  • Annalise Keating

                    I don’t really know the details. I will have to go back and review everything in detail.

              • Annalise Keating

                “That’s deductible from fed tax, so it’s not like you can add 33% and 13%.”

                I didn’t know this. My accountant mentioned all the percentages and it came very close to 50%.

                • mr. steal your costco samples

                  yeah, that’s what a lot of people do — but 50% is like you made $300K gross but took home $150K after tax and that just doesn’t happen with a W-2 income in most cases.

                  • Annalise Keating

                    ?? I can do a little math. The thing is I never really compared my pre and post tax income. I get a large chunk deducted from each pay Check. Then I just give my W2 to my accountant and ask what I owe.
                    But imma look it up tonite and see the exact percentage.

        • Hugh Akston

          True but in light of her policies I think they would have been ok

          http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-hillary-clinton-s-tax-proposals-october-2016

          • Annalise Keating

            Doubtful. Democrats solution to almost everything is higher taxes.
            And no I am not a republican

    • fedup

      Gawd Anna Mae. Don’t you have body to go bury or somethin?

      • Annalise Keating

        ?????

  • joe

    I rather focus on the 87% of black men who did the right thing even though that won’t get nearly as many comments.

    • AWildDoc

      But 87% didn’t necessarily do the right thing. The number that voted for a third party, wrote in a vote, or skipped the president section of the ballot are not included in this article.

      • Annalise Keating

        81% voted for Hilary
        13% voted for trump
        7% were other/no answer (likely also voted for trump?)

        • AWildDoc

          Where did these numbers come from? I’m not able to find them anywhere.

        • LMNOP

          I bet a decent chunk of the “other” category voted for someone other than Trump or Clinton

          • Annalise Keating

            Possible. My trump comment was supposed to be a joke that’s why I put the smiley face emoji at the end.

      • joe

        OK. The focus of the post is the 13% of black men who voted for Donald Trump. If that number is accurate we know that 87% DID NOT vote for him. It is safe to say that the VAST majority of black men picked Clinton.

    • warnerathey

      Why would call voting for Hilary Clinton the right thing. No real men black or white voted for Hilary Clinton.
      Maybe the black men who voted for Trump were real men. Why would any man who is not some kind of a wimp vote for Hillary clinton?

  • miss t-lee

    “13% of n*ggas just don’t have the good sense God and Issac Hayes gave them.”

    I can’t breathe.
    Not Black Moses.

  • Trumpacolypse Day 6: I’m finding some delicious irony in white people feeling attacked as if this is their fault. (It is). They have resorted to safety pins, protests and long winded Facebook statuses because they hate being associated with their hateful skinfolk. They want to be treated as indivisuals, they are not a monolith, and they should not be held responsible for every Billy Bob and Margaret that broke America. I say hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaahahahaha

    • Glo

      Those safety pins are the mildest form of “solidarity” I’ve ever seen. If your statement is going to go unnoticed by 95% of the people you encounter, is it really doing anything?

      • miss t-lee

        That safety pin shizz is a farce.

        • Mary Burrell

          They even have jewelry ones

          • miss t-lee

            I saw one for $350 Mary.
            $350 american dollars!

            • Mary Burrell

              I thought the jewlers are trying to cash in on this lunacy.

              • miss t-lee

                I’m not mad at the hustle.

                • Mary Burrell

                  I hear you.

            • Duff Soviet Union

              Imagine if they’d actually just give that money to Black women instead. That’d mean much more than a safety pin. Oh, but people might not pay attention to them though.

              • miss t-lee

                Bloop!

        • Ille Jay

          Yo, Miss…you been peepin the protesting in the city? Several hundred last night and all this past week downtown. Saw it in full swing last night, my feelings are all over the place.

          • miss t-lee

            Yup!
            I’m so proud of them. I haven’t been able to join any since they’ve popped off at random times. However, I’m glad to see it.
            I can’t believe Acevedo was out there marching with the folks on Thursday.
            what do you think?

            • Ille Jay

              Heard that late….yeah, the City is definitely a bastion of free-thought, even from usual agenda-held institutions …but mainly the thoughts of my brown acquaintances has held Trump in disdain and disbelief that their numbers are so skewed at the polls.

              • miss t-lee

                Yeah…according to that hidden audio that came out a few weeks ago, he’s definitely with the sh*ts.

        • Duff Soviet Union

          It really is the ultimate in meaningless “look at me, I’m a good person” performative allyship.

      • It was the “I’m just a private person” of solidarity. Love in the dark head a**es

      • Dee
    • Mary Burrell

      The safety pins had me kind of low key chuckling. In this nightmare of a Trump presidency, all I could do was shake my head. This whole election reminds me of that movie Idiocracy.

      • If only the only thing I had to worry about for the next 4 years is the internet making fun of me….Dwight P Poe are something else

    • Kris

      I for one am enjoying that they are experiencing contact embarrassment. Welcome to the club! Maybe that’s some kind of really backwards forwards step to eventual progress that white people are now feeling responsible for their messy white folks the same way we are with ours.

      • lkeke35

        Yep! They voted colllectively, so they can take the blame…collectively!

        • Ms.

          Hopefully Trump will lock more of them up in jail as a thank you. Can’t wait!

    • Diego Duarte

      The safety pins are nothing but a “feel good” measure for whites who’ve got their feelings hurt over being called out for putting minorities in danger.

    • Wizznilliam

      SNL knocked it out the park with Chappelle on this point. White folks in straight DENIAL on their people:

      https://youtu.be/SHG0ezLiVGc

      • lkeke35

        Samantha Bee, who is quickly becoming one of my favorite YT women, knocked it out too, the day after. She’s waaay funnier than the Schumer bish! Plus she actually has something to say.

        • Duff Soviet Union

          Bee basically Schumer if she wasn’t a self absorbed racist cow. So she’s cool.

          • lkeke35

            I like her, but I still got the side eye ready, just in case.

        • GenevaGirl

          I especially like Samantha Bee because she went out of her way to have a diverse writing staff. She didn’t just pay it lip service. She recruited.

    • shebesoul

      Slain…

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      I think kids (too young to vote) are into the pin thing because they want to do something and are pretty much powerless.

      • Kids do things like avi changes and hashtags…this is solely guilt ridden white voter nonsense

    • Mochasister

      Of course it’s wypipo’s fault. I lay the blame at their feet. They voted that jacka** into office because he said everything they wanted to hear. No matter how ugly and repugnant his words were they still voted his woefully unqualified butt into office. The sad thing is they don’t care how ignorant and foolish they appear both here and abroad. They deserve every side eye they get from me and others.

  • catgee12

    Unfortunately I know two men personally that were part of the 13% …

    http://www.quickmeme.com/img/f2/f212fd68aeca509fcdbbb675e67ce9276b0d9fa965fa8bb5865c167eccb8b1d9.jpg

    • Epsilonicus

      I know about 3. D*mn Caribbean immigrants

      • Cybil the Cat.

        Not all..

      • catgee12

        Exactly … cause they not like “the Blacks” …

        • Epsilonicus

          They all said when Trump would get rid of immigrants,he was not referring to them. They think he is going to create more jobs for them by limiting immigration.

          • Cybil the Cat.

            Especially if you think you are legal. SMDH

            • catgee12

              Precisely … They have papers so their immigration status is on lock … again not like them “others” … SMDH …

              • Cybil the Cat.

                I got a headache last week arguing with one. And I am lowkey waiting for our mutual relative to tell me that something has happened in the line of reminding him about his blackness.

            • And when they get hemmed up, they’re going to ask for help!

              • Cybil the Cat.

                A relative was telling me that some West Indians were happy at the thought of Trump winning because of the possible deportations. I was like those who are salty are those who could not get a visa to become an undocumented immigrant too.

          • Digital_Underground

            I love the “he’s not referring to me logic” of some of his supporters. I have a couple of Latino coworkers (Mexican American) who voted for Trump. They swear his immigration rhetoric has nothing to do with them.

  • cakes_and_pies

    You must really want Zo to run up in here, right?

    • Val

      Why are you conjuring him up, C&P. Lol

      • cakes_and_pies

        You know he’s coming. I’m just shoring up a preemptive defense.

        • Cybil the Cat.

          I have to really block that devil. Not today Lord, not today!

    • miss t-lee

      He will be here eventually anyways, telling us how no one wants us…lol

      • cakes_and_pies

        Don’t forget to passively plug his show.

        • Cybil the Cat.

          Anyone ever listened to that?

          • LMNOP

            Why would someone choose to listen to him for however long his show is? (My guess: too long)

            • Cybil the Cat.

              I just figured he is another Tommy Sotomayor and 1 tommy Sotomayor is 1 too many.

              • Epsilonicus

                Thats a name I have not heard in a while

              • cakes_and_pies

                Tommy and Tomi need to run off into the Sun together.

                • Cybil the Cat.

                  OH gosh lets not go there.

                  • cakes_and_pies

                    You know the first time she’d call him a niqqa in bed, he’d marry her.

          • miss t-lee

            I’d rather listen to nails getting dragged down a chalkboard on a perpetual loop.

          • cakes_and_pies

            Heck naw.

        • miss t-lee

          How could I forget?

    • Cybil the Cat.

      You had to say Beetlejuice 3 times did ya?

      • cakes_and_pies

        I only said it once!

        • Cybil the Cat.

          With him it is like 3 times.

    • mr. steal your costco samples

      oh isht was that trashcan around here? HE!! TO THE NAW

  • Sensual A

    To say they are just “stupid” is to run away from the facts. A lot of black men voted for Trump because they thought he would do a better job than Hillary and didn’t want to vote for a woman. Some were fans of TV Trump and smiling negroes who think that white men will save them. Some black men really believe that Trump will stoke the economy and help provide jobs where Obama could not. Donald Trump recently set forth a 10 point plan for the black community. I don’t think Obama said “help black people” during his entire 8 years in office. He was always helping and creating laws to help gays.

    • Hugh Akston

      On what basis? His bankruptcies? Stifling his employees? No tax return published plenty of lawsuits against him hes trying to get a trial delayed right now for this month ties to Russia debt to many people again what metric was being used? Which policy that he outlined clearly and didn’t reverse on?

    • Kas

      But you would have to be stupid to believe any of those reasons you stated.

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