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Whiteness Matters More Than Jesus To White Evangelicals

Two weeks into Donald Trump’s presidency, I had to turn off the news alerts on my phone.

Each time I received a news alert, I would get anxious because I did not know what the hell 45 was going to do next. He had already tried to ban folks from coming into the country, and his inner circle of advisers were looking more and more like characters out of an episode of 24—so I decided to engage in self-care. I deleted all the news apps off my device. (I kept ESPN, though. One never knows if KD might decide to go to the Cubs since they won a championship last year.)

In the past 100+ days, America has had a constitutional crisis because of the attempted expansion of executive privilege with the ‘Muslim ban.’ We have seen a stark increase in ICE raids targeting ‘illegal immigrants,’ but, again, lets call it what it is: racial profiling. Further, we have seen a failed attempt to strip millions of Americans of their health coverage. This, ironically, was happening during the MLK holiday, even though King once said: “Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most shocking and inhumane.”

I don’t know how anyone can see what he is doing and judge him as either competent or working for the best interest of everyone in this country. To see his actions and approve of them uncovers a deep moral deficiency. In the same way that I cannot understand how a person can fix their mouth to say that Earth Wind and Fire doesn’t have jams or that Knuck If You Buck is not one of the greatest songs the South has ever produced, I do not know how a sane person can see what is happening at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and be pleased.

That’s why I was confused by what I heard from a leader in the White evangelical community.

“I think evangelicals have found their dream president,” Jerry Falwell, Jr., president of Liberty University, said on the Fox News show  “Justice With Judge Jeanine.”

Falwell said “reuniting Israel with America” and placing “people of faith” in the administration were reasons evangelicals were supportive of Trump.  “In fact,” said Judge Jeanine “78% of White evangelicals said they approved of the Job Trump is doing in the White House.”

That took me by surprise—but it shouldn’t have. According to the Pew Research Center, 78% of White evangelicals—that is to say, white folks who say they love a brown skinned, first century Palestinian radical–approve of Trump’s first 100 days in office.

For all of their talk about embodying the love of Jesus Christ, the actions of White evangelicals drown out their words. They may say ‘love the sinner but hate the sin;’ yet, how they treat gay, queer, and trans folks let me know there is nothing but hate in their hearts for people they claim to love. They may say they are ‘pro-life.’ but the way they vote and who they support informs me that they are hypocrites comfortable with stripping away healthcare from people ravished by illness while they turn a blind eye to the way the police take Black life with little more than a slap on the wrist as punishment. They may say they are not racist, but they, as a block, approve of a man who is unapologetic in his racist rhetoric and white supremacist policies.

White evangelicals, they mommas and everyone who looks like them don’t know Jesus. And more importantly, one day, if they believe the metaphysics of their theology, he will say that he does not know them either.

Lawrence Ware

Lawrence Ware is a philosopher of race at his day job and writes if the kids go to bed on time. He is a contributing editor of NewBlackMan (in Exile) and a frequent contributor to The Root and other publications. He has been featured in the New York Times and you can sometimes find him discussing race and politics on HuffPost Live and Public Radio International. He is the kind of Steelers fan that enjoys watching the Cowboys lose.

  • So are evangelicals not Christians? Is it a sect of Christianity? Do they read the Bible? I thought all the whites liked Trump by default?

    • sousaphone93

      It’s a sect of Christianity the same way Catholicism, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Baptist, and etc are sects of Christianity. Evangelical Christians believe The Bible instructs them to convert as many people to Christianity (specifically, THEIR type of Christianity) as possible and instead of just doing the annoying Jehovah’s Witness type of evangelizing, they also believe that the people in government power should also be Evangelical Christians to help spread the message and promote their beliefs and take any attempts to keep church and state separate (as it should be!!!) as proof of modern day Christian martyrdom.

      • I don’t believe there actually is a separation of church and state in this country bc the way our laws are set up…..

        • Sigma_Since 93

          When the country was set up, very few of the founders thought they would be tested on the religious freedom front.

          • It’s such an odd relationship considering many of the original whites came here to practice their beliefs in peace. The American memory is short sometimes. I told someone that church and state are separated to protect the latter from the former and I may have well had sprouted wings and breathed fire.

            • protocoach

              Wellll…I dunno about that. The Puritans were the original fire-and-brimstone fundamentalists. They wanted the freedom to be the boot, rather than the face it was stomping.

              • They were and that’s why they came hear because that message wasn’t working at home. I do agree that their message was mmm…rough.

            • Yahmo Bethere

              The best think the UK did was to kick those nutjobs and scoundrels out of their nation. That’s what the Church of England did and good on them.

              That Puritan “beacon on the hill” narrative needs to be put out to pasture.

          • Cheech

            My favorite is the religious freedom provision in Vermont’s original constitution. It said that there would be no religious test for office. As long as the official was Christian and believed in the Trinity.

        • Rewind4ThatBehind

          The law not only protects the church now…they go hand in hand with the backdoor relationship.

          • Jukesgrrl

            Damn!

        • Oh there is a clear separation but many try to work around the separation. It may be easier to pull off depending on what region you call home. The fact that one particular sect of Christianity leans heavily toward one of our sh*tty choices of political parties muddies things, also.

          I’ll never forget my bro-in-law saying that the U.S. is a bad day domestically from becoming a “Christian” version of Iran.

          • sousaphone93

            That’s basically the premise of The Handmaid’s Tale. I read the book when I was a kid and I thought, “Oh this would have to take place like 100 years in the future” and now I’m watching it on Hulu and it’s become very apparent to me that all we need is one declaration of martial law and we’re all screwed

        • mochazina

          there both is and isn’t a separation of church and state. it’s legally separated, but for the most part the functionality is often morally in line with “biblical” views because the representatives are always sure to mention their religious views in their election materials even if it has nothing to do with the job functions they aspire to. prime example: texas railroad commissioner running on a pro-life/anti-abortion platform. and winning.

        • What changes in the law would you like to see?

    • They are Christians but they practice a brand of Christianity that can be presented as toxic and hurtful to those who aren’t as pious, Christian, or more liberal. I can’t rock with it personally.

      Then again I know Baptists who act the same way who don’t claim to be Evangelical however the Venn diagram of the two looks more like a complete circle.

    • Lisss

      Thing is though…its more of a political denomination than a theological one. Evangelical refers to the word Évangile (in french) which basically means the Gospel. And since the Gospel stipulates that Christ, God’s Son died for our sins and rose again, there is really no need to have a sect that reaffirms those beliefs. Its redundant. So Evangelicalism is more of an american politico-religious invention when the republicans needed the backing of white christians.

      • Alessandro De Medici

        Thank You.

        It’s just a different branch of Christianity, there are thousands of other denominations, that might believe different things, but Evangelicalism is unique to America.

      • J.E. Pierson

        I never saw a distinction between evangelicals and all the other Christians. Their MO is always, “we are right, everyone else is wrong. We must save them by spreading the word”.

    • Zil Nabu

      Evangelicals can be of any denomination or non denominational. I believe the core of it is the evangelism part. They stay trying to convert someone instead of just letting people come to Christ.

  • Alessandro De Medici

    Culture Wars matter more than anything to them.

    • Diego Duarte

      Whites view christianity not as a religion or a way of life, rather as an identity and cultural trait. A sign of moral superiority.

      • J.E. Pierson

        This applies to black christians, too.

      • Brother Mouzone

        If I could upvote this a trillion times, I would. I wish Black church folks and Black folks in general, would realize this.

        • Yahmo Bethere

          They won’t acknowledge that their fervent grasp of Christianity is ultimately digging their fingernails into normativity and dominance.
          It’s a place where we can be “normal” and “American”.

    • Cheech

      And the culture wars of our time are mainly a political creation. Before Ed Meese and Pat Buchanan got together with Jerry Falwell, white evangelicals kept it more to themselves and kept it local. They were not the national force they are today (though they may have held sway locally).

    • Jukesgrrl

      Certainly matters more than the Golden Rule.

  • This is part of my current (developing, unravelling, re ravelling) issue with religion (and partly the church).

    I can not possibly be praying to the same God, reading the same book, preaching the same lessons, getting mercy and grace from the same Savior, as those people. Nall. Na. Unh uh. It’s entirely too mind boggling to accept.

    So, I find peace in Spirituality and that suprasses all my understanding.

    • Alessandro De Medici

      It’s more culture wars, than religion or even evangelism.

      There are evangelicals in other countries, but it’s not directly attached or connected to their politics. It is in America because they want their views and cultural restraints to return to a time similar to the 1950’s.

      • OurRaceisaHardOnetoRun

        Doesn’t that coincide with the expansion of American evengelism missions to a lot of the third world? A lot of pentecostal churches in the Caribbean, for example, began around , or a little before ,that period.

        • Alessandro De Medici

          Yes and No.

          The connection between religion and politics is very unique to America, for some reason. The Social Gospel for instance (combination of Social Justice Politics + Protestantism) seems to have originated in the U.S., Liberation Theology also began here, as did the whole Jehovah Witness movement, which I ironically was a part of.

          They do spread them to other countries, via missionary work and advocacy, sheit, the Redeemed Church out of Nigeria does it as well, but yeah, that’s not what makes American Evangelicals unique. It’s the desire to use religion to shape domestic politics that does.

          • OurRaceisaHardOnetoRun

            These persons have also tried to gain political mileage in mission receiving countries

            • Alessandro De Medici

              Definitely.

              I’m just saying that in most of these countries, religion isn’t a huge makeup of their politics or the power struggles that they are mostly concerned about.

        • Brother Mouzone

          Is it wrong that I have a “oh well” attitude when I hear about missionaries being murked in a third world country? Spreading that wypipo are God sh*t.

          • TheUnsungStoryteller

            I feel the same way. Because there are many missionaries that do not have good intentions and want to just make themselves look good instead of doing it to give God glory

            • Monica Harris

              Have you seen this first hand?

              • TheUnsungStoryteller

                No…but I’ve heard about it. Also, in college we had to take a course about Rwanda before we went there to do service work because we wanted to eradicate that whole White Savior mentality out of our heads and actually learn about their culture and history. A lot of places don’t do that.

      • Diego Duarte

        There are evangelicals in other countries and it IS directly attached or connected to their politics: be it in Africa or Latin America. Look at the cases in Uganda and South America. It’s a determinant factor in elections.

        • Alessandro De Medici

          Those people in Uganda and South America are not evangelicals though. There is a lot of Anti-LGBT sentiment in Africa and Caribbean countries, at least I can say that since I’ve looked into it, but they aren’t referencing/influenced directly by Evangelicals, even though those in America might support them, every once in awhile. I remember when Obama visited Kenya, and the press over there was telling him to shut up when he went there to speak on gay rights.

          • Diego Duarte

            Nononono. They ARE evangelicals. As in, it’s the same brand as in the United States. We’ve had famous evangelicals preaching in OUR Congress. It’s ridiculous. There’s been a massive campaign of evangelization in the past two decades coming from the United States, in both continents. Especially in Uganda, Colombia and Peru. White Christianity is starting to replace the old Catholic beliefs, to the point people here celebrated Kim Davis and to the point Peru has the biggest share of people, among Latin Americans, that support Donald Trump.

            • Alessandro De Medici

              So you don’t think Anglicans can be as anti-gay, as say as American Evangelicals?

              • Diego Duarte

                Wouldn’t know, I haven’t met any Anglicans, I’m just saying that the American brand of christianity has made its way into Africa and Latin America and has become a mainstream phenomenon since then.

                • Alessandro De Medici

                  I’d have to look into Latin America, I’ll take your word for it, I’d have to have a good idea of what Christianity was like prior to the modern Americanization of it as you’re saying.

                  But in Africa, I’m just addressing the whole idea that the whole idea of these being influenced or inspired by American influence. I think this is like suggesting that the anti-LGBT politics of say Morocco or Saudi Arabia are driven by American Evangelicals or Imperialism? A lot of those things exist, and they would exist without American Evangelicals talking their talk. I mean these people read these religious books as well, and usually come up with their irrational ideas and interpretations like everybody else.

                  • Diego Duarte

                    And I understand your point, however American christian campaigns (notably in Uganda) have been a huge thing in the past 20 years or so, and they’ve gained a lot of ground. Granted, some African countries might’ve had homophobia way before then, but the brand of theology of prosperity, with its unique American traits, has been exported there for the past few years and has gained notorious influence (again mainly Uganda).

                    Latin America has always been notoriously catholic, with devotion to saints and virgins, and other idols. Latin American culture has always been riddled with devotion to patrons and rituals. American christianity has been shaping this culture for the past two decades, leading many to abandon these cultural traits because idolizing is a sin, and adopting the theology of prosperity which is preached in America.

                    The most notable countries which have adopted this ideology are, unsurprisingly Colombia and Peru, the two biggest allies the US government has in the region.

                    • Alessandro De Medici

                      Oh that’s different then.

                      If we’re talking prosperity gospel, I don’t think that’s the same as say, the Evangelical movement. Even here in the U.S. I’d say Joel Esteen and say T.D. Jakes are big proponents of the prosperity gospel, but they are not proactive members or political adherents to the Evangelical movement in the U.S.

                      That being said, I used to be a Jehovah’s Witness and that religion was created in the U.S. and did spread elsewhere, but it’s very much ascetic in nature and the complete opposite of the prosperity gospel, so yeah it helps to be specific, about what denomination is responsible for what, as well as, how much are you seeing cultural forces asserting themselves vs. American exports.

                    • Diego Duarte

                      Actually the prosperity gospel is very well tied to the evangelical movement, to the point any and EVERY issue that is brought up in America suddenly makes its way into OUR politics. Freaking Kim Davis, Alessandro…. KIM DAVIS. No, I assure you it’s the American brand of the evangelical movement that is taking root here. No distinction whatsoever regarding their brand of politics and tactics.

                      Bish I’ve lived in both countries, I follow politics in both countries, I KNOW what I’m talking about.

                    • Alessandro De Medici

                      That’s not what I’m talking about though.

                      Let me clarify this, what role is evangelicalism having in the domestic politics of the latin American countries you’re talking about? What are some examples?

                    • Yahmo Bethere
                    • Alessandro De Medici

                      Thank You

                    • Diego Duarte

                      Regarding education: we just had Jaime Saavedra, the most successful Peruvian Ministry of Education, recalled by the evangelical party in Congress because he wanted to include gender studies in the curriculum. Evangelicals accused him of trying to “homosexualize children”. The guy has now being appointed to the World Bank as an expert in the field of education.

                      Same goes with Marilú Martens, his successor, who’s now being constantly harassed by these people who claim that christians are being discriminated against by the new curriculum, which seeks to subvert Peru’s very negative statistics regarding femicide and homophobia.

                      Regarding the Presidency: evangelical groups straight up trying to impeach the libertarian president, Pedro Pablo Kuzcinsky, over his appointment of Saavedra. Straight up marching through the streets and getting a law, which criminalized hate crimes against homosexuals, repealed after barely a month of it passing.

                      Regarding the current mayor and the main political opponent to the President: the current mayor Luis Castañeda Lossio is by FAR the sh*ttiest major the Peruvian capitol of Lima has ever had. Several documented instances of corruption, too many and too well-documented to count. Defended to the death by the evangelical christians, because he’s opposed to gay marriage. The previous major, Susana Villarán was nearly recalled because she participated in a gay pride parade, and is considered to be the “worst major ever” despite her transport reform and attempt at a reversal of gentrification.

                      Regarding the national anthem: evangelical groups straight up managed to amend our fucking national anthem, in regard to the express mention of slavery, because they thought it was “too negative”. They instead included several references to the bible and god. They managed this thanks to a ridiculous interpretation through the Supreme Court and pandering by president Alan García.

                      In Colombia the last plebiscite, which would’ve given the country peace with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia was barely defeated thanks to christian evangelicals, because they spread misinformation claiming that the plebiscite included the teaching of gender studies in high school and it would “homosexualize children”.

                      Too many instances to count Alessandro. Even the arguments, talking points and terminology adopted by the American evangelicals are shamelessly mirrored by the Latin American evangelicals.

                    • Alessandro De Medici

                      Thanks for this

                    • Diego Duarte

                      My pleasure.

                    • Ustadh

                      Unrelated, but check this documentary Investigating allegations of corruption involving one of Peru’s Roman Catholic societies.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH3wIhjqqGY

                  • Titito De Bologay

                    In the case of the “kill the gays” bills in Uganda, the funds and lobbying came directly from US evangelical christians.
                    In west Africa the surge of pastors and assorted tithes oriented megachurches in Nigeria,Cameroon and Congo are attached by proxy to the US megachurches(not sure about their denominations) they are trained by them, and pay a “tax” of sort to keep getting tools to recruits more and more mostly in working class areas and slums like neighbour.
                    I am from Douala in Cameroon, I can tell you 1st hand the damage they have tried to do a few years ago, setting up citizen militia and shaming people who had a drink. Luckily the families in my areas have been there since eons,coming from different cultures in the countries and different religions with a high sense of community. They were obstructing businesses and fucking up my mum sleep, just bothering people day in and out. They since moved out but them people are ghastly.

              • Yahmo Bethere

                African Anglicans are. The Archbishop of Canterbury fought off a church rupture a few years ago.

                • Alessandro De Medici

                  That’s my point.

                  Some people believe effed up things, regardless of what Americans do or say.

                  • Yahmo Bethere

                    Yes…but American homophobia evaneglical incursions are a very real and much-discussed phenomenon. “Our” (I’m atheist so this is y’all’s baby) hatereach is a thing.

                    • Alessandro De Medici

                      Lol, I’m pretty much an atheist myself, mostly a deist, but I think it’s sort of secondary here.

                      There’s no doubt that Homophobic evangelicals do try to work with other people in other countries who share similar beliefs they have or try to push political policies in ways they deem favorable, that’s not my point; to me it’s just like Chinese FDI, when they lobby states and federal government for real estate contracts. What I’m always concerned with is who people are claiming is the primary source of a. or b. behavior in another country.

                      I mean all those homophobic dancehall songs I used to hear in the clubs back in the day (didn’t know at the time), were they just there, because, a bunch of Jamaicans from the Garrison, were watching Westboro Baptist Preachers protesting another military burial? I’ve often found that, that kind of projection, isn’t rooted in fact, but a frustration that such people have finding themselves living in the West…which is fine, but don’t obscure the reality of other nations, because of the problems you have in your own: ignorance, ultimately doesn’t lead to anywhere substantive.

                    • Idrinkyourglutenfreeshake

                      Yeah, I’m going to go ahead and call BS on this one. Nigerian living in Nigeria, I’m in my 30’s and I remember when I was child, homophobia wasn’t this bad. Neither was the evangelical/prosperity movement this prominent. I’m not saying it was rosy for LGBT people but we were more ignored than actively reviled. Now, it’s bloody insane.

              • Ms.Moon

                West Indian Anglicans can be but that is mostly old people young people are not as anti-gay as the old. However, in the United States the Episcopal church which is the Anglican Arm in this country are very progressive. There was actually talk about a split especially between the Northern church and the southern church and we were out of charity with other branches especially in the African church where our support of gays and women in the church has caused these others great consternation.

              • Cheech

                In Nigeria they sure can be. Lots of Anglican dioceses in the US and England suddenly finding loyalty to the Anglican church in Nigeria now that their national church structures are more welcoming toward gays.

            • Yahmo Bethere

              I’d be interested in reading more about Colombia and Peru.

              There are a ton of Central American evangelicals in my city. There is likely overlap with Peruvian communities too.

            • Demessi

              My god ! I had no idea they had made end roads in South America like that ,Uganda I know about. It’s sickening.

          • Ustadh

            I concur, anti-LGBT sentiment in Africa has a more cultural element to it than religion.

            • Idrinkyourglutenfreeshake

              O, please. You cannot separate religion and culture that easily. Besides there are MULTIPLE African cultures.

          • Aaeros Kali

            It’s all abuse we never unlearned from contact with Europeans.

        • Namia

          Religion in Uganda does not influence politics at all..the religious leaders just wait to see where the wind is blowing and align them selves with the person in power in order to fill their pockets.

          • Diego Duarte

            Was it not Uganda which decided to pass a bill punishing LGBT people with life-imprisonment a few years back? After the lobby and influence of the American evangelicals doing their turns there?

            • Namia

              That is not religion, that is culture..the country’s culture does not recognise the existence of those relations..if you care to find out..the law was just reaffirmed..it was not new at all. Interesting to note that the evangelicals under the guise of Christianity are the ones supporting LGTB movements in uganda…throwing alot of money at people.

    • OurRaceisaHardOnetoRun

      I have repeatedly said I can not look at a white Christian the same again, especially those who are pentecostal/fundamental. Events of the last year , in the first instance the police shootings and the way self identified white christians have justified them and the casual acceptance of 45 and and his ‘conversion’, when he doesn’t even demonstrate a single fruit of the spirit, have had be giving them serious suck teeth and side eyes.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      Same.

    • You ever had an exasperated professor? I Imagine that is how God acts at the pearly gates.

      • NonyaB?

        She does keep saying how pîssed off at y’all she is at our Illuminati meetings. I usually sip my peached up cognac and ask “why d’you let ’em have religion at all?” but she don’t hear me tho.

        • browngirlgonebourbon

          Do they allow the peached up cognac beyond the pearly gates? I, too, would like to partake of this nectar…

          Perhaps you could convince St. Peter to stop being so pious and hold some for me at the door?

    • TheUnsungStoryteller

      I agree.

    • Ghettoprincess

      I think that religious disconnect is happening to a lot of us during this current woke movement. Like you said, it’s too mind boggling to accept. For all its hypocritical ills though, that black baptist/AME/Mahalia Jackson/Yalonda Adams religion gave a lot of hope and emotional strength. I wish I could say I replaced it with my own understanding of spirituality but i definitely feel a void. Im really worried about how that void is affecting others who needed that connection more than me.

      • TheUnsungStoryteller

        That’s interesting. Why do you feel a disconnect from religion? Is it based on what others have made of it or the actual teachings in the book?

        • Ghettoprincess

          I think a combination of what others have made of it and the book. I was raised in the church, then had a logical issue with the Bible for years (after religion classes where it became evident the book is man made), was non religious for a number of years, and thought my faith was renewed after i guess feeling the spirit one day in church.

          • TheUnsungStoryteller

            I think a lot of people who do have a similar problem with the religion have a similar experience. I’m sorry to hear that. There are way too many people in this country and world with social, cultural and political clout that are blasphemy the name of Jesus and giving Christianity bad name. Smh

      • A few guys I’m dating a deeply connected to the church, but I’m not sure if they’re connected to religion. I talk to God, but I don’t believe it’s their god.

      • pls

        we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>here<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

        For me, I was perfectly fine until I started to go through things I normally would pray about. Now I feel a void because I abandoned my religious rituals and haven't been filling myself up with anything that makes me feel good and hopeful.

      • HoneySwtDrms

        WoW!

        I really appreciate this comment because I’m in the same exact predicament!

  • DCFem

    White trumps Jesus. Evangelicals have been voting their skin color for decades. They are just doing so unabashedly this time.

    • OurRaceisaHardOnetoRun

      Yup, with the passage of time he has morphed from being a Jew to a Aryan man.

      • Brother Mouzone

        Black Hebrew man.

      • Brother Mouzone

        MLK is changing too. Every time they make a new sculpture/portrait, etc..his lips and nose get narrower and his skin gets lighter. Our grandkids will think he looked like Derek Jeter.

        • OurRaceisaHardOnetoRun

          uhhmm, sir, you know what you are saying. Is MLK pulling a Bobby Jindal

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    • Madame Zenobia

      We knew what it was when American Catholics started questioning the newest pope as SOON as he came through with, “there are more important battles to fight than abortion.” Every other Pope has been the dopest thing since water was turned into wine, but this one. This South American, non-European pope is suspect. OK. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/catholic-republican-congressman-will-boycott-pope-francis-address/

      • MsSula

        Francis is my G.

  • siante

    I go to a mostly white church so this is something I encounter often. I was actually just talking to my fiance about it this morning. I do believe in the power of love & prayer & that God handles those who are racist, ignorant/misinformed, etc. It’s not my job to hate these people, but to show them God’s love & pray for them (-_-)/

  • Wizznilliam

    That “love the sinner but hate the sin” line applies to us too. I can’t count how many times I’ve sat through ridiculous cringe inducing sermons talking about gay people. At some points depending on what’s in the news it is every other week. It’s like the easiest way to keep the deacon board awake. Plenty of Amens during these sermons.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      When I tell you this is one of the biggest reasons I have rarely stepped foot in a church over the last few years. My mama has been asking for a while and after constantly side stepping around the convo I had to tell her that me and god have a personal relationship that doesn’t need church.

      • Wizznilliam

        Yep… Same for me. I could stand it every once in a while. But it has become over the top ridiculous as gay people are getting more and more rights. It became like a weekly or every other week thing that something had to be said about gay people. I wanted to walk out of SO MANY sermons. I just couldn’t take it any more.

        • cdj

          My mom quit a church during Bible study. She got sick of it too. She told me she just got fed up and said, “Every week I come in here and the discussion is gay people and sin. Surely there are other topics to discuss. What about adultery? Oh, no one wants to talk about that!?!” She said they got all quiet and she made her grand exit.

          • grownandsexy2

            Too funny. They got quiet because they’re likely adulterers. lol

    • i won’t lie. I love calling people “accursed sons of Ham.” White folks been so ridiculous it’s funny.

  • Diego Duarte

    Doesn’t surprise me. Marriage started as a civil institution, something akin to a sales and purchase contract, where the good being bartered was the woman. The “contract” took place between the groom and the bride’s father. Unless I’m much mistaken, one of the three forms of marriage recognized in the Justinian Code explicitly has this form of marriage. Marriage started as a mysoginist institution which was later romanticized and adapted, somewhat, over time (consider this: women did not gain voting rights until the last century, same thing applies to women being considered legally incapable before court of law during the same time).

    Religion later became mixed with marriage in order to scare wives who would cheat on their husbands (and the players they cheated with) or walk out on marriage with supernatural mumbo-jumbo, such as he11. It also became a reason to villify foreigners and “outsiders”, essentially the first forms of xenophobia and racism.

    From there it follows that “Christians” have reverted to the prime interests behind almost every religion ever: controlling women and excluding minorities. Two things which Donald Trump exemplifies best. Hence why 80% of White evangelicals voted for him.

    • grownandsexy2

      THIS!!!

  • Lisss

    Whiteness trumps EVERYTHING for white people (yes, including the progressives).
    Thats why their colorblindness is such bullsh*t.

  • Brown Rose

    The kind of hard core evangelism that exists in the US is antithesis to the more humane message that was espoused in the bible–even by the likes of Paul who would be appalled. At heart White evangelist are fundamentalist that have a similar rigid outlook as ISIS that they hate. Moreover many are world enders and think that a serious conflagration in the middle east will lead to the rapture.

    In any case, the current Western Christianity sees Jesus and God as mostly white. it wasn’t too long ago when that same brand of Christianity branded Black people as worse then the Children of Ham and many would not let Black people worship or join their church.

    • Diego Duarte

      And the problem is White evangelicals have been exporting this brand of christianity ever since, to any third world country that will listen. It’s become a huge thing in Africa and Latin America. To think Alex Jones is becoming a thing in Latin America is a haunting thought.

      • Brown Rose

        I was thinking about that as I wrote it. Africa is particularly troubling how they are importing their xenophobia, homophobia and narrow life draining thinking. its demoralizing.

        I am concerned because I am sure that Jesus talked about loving they neighbor. Of being kind, compassionate, and good to all no matter their creed. Evangelism looks nothing like that. They are corrupt. Its sickening.

        • Diego Duarte

          I’m not trying to start anything or be disrespectful in any way whatsoever, however as an atheist I’m sort of opposed to the idea of forgiving people out of the goodness of my heart, without any consequence or effort on their behalf to understand what they did wrong.

          Also, if the self-proclaimed son of god came down from heaven and told me to forgive people, without expecting anything in return, else I won’t inherit the kingdom of heaven, I might just nail that dude to a cross, for being so tone deaf.

          Not trying to be disrespectful or anything, just politely stating some facts.

          • Brown Rose

            I am a person of some form of faith and I understand. One of the reasons why I read history and try to understand other religions. I don’t believe everything in the bible, or most of it, but I believe in goodness. Kindness. Compassion. Empathy. I have not seen any of that in evidence from how religion is practiced in America today.

            Looking at what is transpiring in the world and in America, how can anyone call themselves a Christian while these horrible things occur.

            • Diego Duarte

              Kindness and compassion can only stem from empathy, from my experience. Likewise, empathy is only learn from personal suffering, from my experience. Which is why empaths tend to be people who’ve had sh*tty lives, whilst the privileged are usually sociopaths and azzholes.

              How christianity came to be hijacked by the latter is beyond me. And how the former remain so passively unopposed to this is also beyond me.

              • Brown Rose

                I think empathetic imagination is needed without having to go through suffering, which just tells me the absolute poverty in vision that fundamentalist like that have.

                Fighting against something is a a historical precedent that is in Christianity. Why more Christians don’t stand up against it is to my mind because there is the little thing called race. After all the most stalwarts crusaders against racism, unfairness, are often Black or Jewish people of faith.

              • sousaphone93

                I suppose it depends which Christian church you belong to because now every church is very individualistic. Some are stereotypically evangelical, some are evangelical-lite, and some are super liberal and try to undo the toxicity being created by other churches.

                Personally, I attend a church that emphasizes peace, love, and social justice and ever since Trump was elected, every sermon stresses the importance of kindness, empathy, and standing up for the oppressed. And they back it up with regular community outreach and volunteering events. Unfortunately, it’s just one church on one block. The bad ones currently outnumber the good.

              • Alessandro De Medici

                You said you’re an atheist right?

                I think there’s no such thing as a kind or compassionate religion. These are all modern definitions or rationalizations for religion, but all religions, past or present are rooted in making sense of reality and guiding people through life, by setting self-imposed rules and regulations to abide by based off faith.

                Content might vary here or there, holy books and wisdom might vary here or there, but I think every religion has a loophole that enables hatred and violence, and history has shown that out to be the case. It’s human beings who decide if they’re going to be such things, religion, not so much.

                • Diego Duarte

                  Indeed. Check my other post. From my observation and study of organized religion, it’s nothing more than a lazy justification for misogyny, racism and xenophobia in general, with supernatural mumbo-jumbo which conveniently makes it so that you cannot be proven wrong.

                  • grownandsexy2

                    So much truth here.

          • grownandsexy2

            Thank you for saying this. My sentiments exactly.

      • Ustadh

        They managed to convince a large number of Africans especially in Kenya (home to Obama’s father) that Obama was the “Anti-Christ”. The Christians there despise Obama with a passion

        • Brown Rose

          This is horrible. Look at the damage they continue to wrought. Who needs Satan?

        • OurRaceisaHardOnetoRun

          White evangelicals are excellent at preaching and reproducing coloniality. It is amazing how Afro-Caribbean religions are demonised while white american religions, many of which have very dubious beginnings, are deified.

          • Ustadh

            One of the colonialist’s main mission was to evangelize to the ‘african heathen’

            • OurRaceisaHardOnetoRun

              You know the only image that many West Indians have of Africa and Africans for a long time was loin cloth wearing, ‘demon’ worshiping savages.

              • Ustadh

                Amazing thing is that Christianity was long established in Africa (some parts) long before it was established in Europe or America.

                • Brown Rose

                  Certainly true. The Coptic’s among others would like a word and certainly did not look like that asinine interpretation foisted on by western fundamentalists.

                  • Ustadh

                    And places like Ethiopia where Christianity has been rooted for centuries.

              • grownandsexy2

                Believe it or not, a lot of older Black folks had this image also. Spear chucking, loin cloth wearing savages with bones in their noses, thanks to TV and Tarzan. Some still do.

                • OurRaceisaHardOnetoRun

                  I believe you. I cringe when I hear my aunt, a retired teacher and principal, remarks “oh the Africans have gotten so civilised”, and sometimes ” they are wearing proper clothes”

                  • grownandsexy2

                    It’s sad. Educated folks talking this nonsense. Some of the stories Africans tell about their interactions with Black Americans are downright embarrassing. Some of these people need to get out more, travel the world. A few years ago, some brave souls from Philly ventured to Africa as part of a group and were actually laughing and pointing at these dark-skinned, nappy headed people who looked just like them.

        • Alessandro De Medici

          Isn’t most of Kenya, Christian?

          • Ustadh

            Like 80%

            • Alessandro De Medici

              So you saying most Kenyans hate Obama?

              • Ustadh

                Not all Christians, the evangelical ones, some who get their inspiration from the John Hagee’s and Pat Robertson’s

                • Alessandro De Medici

                  Oh ok

        • grownandsexy2

          Sad.

      • blueevey

        Hah! Univision (I think) has a show called AL extremo. And like every wk they have a guy on there that I’ve dubbed the Mexican Alex jones. Because imagine Alex Jones but browner.

        Talking at Obama going to Mars and children abducted by aliens

        • Diego Duarte

          And here I thought Hugo Chávez saying capitalism killed life on Mars was the pinnacle of comedy…

          • IDareYou

            Say what you will about his politics but he is up there with W as the most unintentional funny person ever.

            • Diego Duarte

              I think he beats W by a considerable margin. Problem is only people who speak Spanish ever had the possibility to delight in his gaffes.

        • BrothasKeeper

          Alejandro.

      • Brother Mouzone

        And the problem is, those third world countries DO listen. They spread that “white is superior” nonsense to brown and black people, and have them discriminating against their own based on color, and rubbing chemicals on their faces to bleach out the color. I see ya D.R., Jamaica, Nigeria.

    • Ess Tee

      Mona Eltawahy calls the likes of them the Christian Brotherhood.

      • cdj

        I call them the American Taliban (in my head only — i live in the Bible Belt).

  • AKA The Sauce

    All I know is “Knuck if you Buck” is one of the greatest songs the south produced. And if you don agree then please…knuck….if you buck.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      *Shakes dreds*

      • AKA The Sauce

        Get it

    • MsCee

      That part.

    • BrothasKeeper

      One could make a case for “How Ya Do Dat Dere”……..jussayin.

      • Young Bleed for the win.

      • AKA The Sauce

        Everytime I here that song lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR8zkH-35kk

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        Or We Ready by ordained Pastor Troy.

        • miss t-lee

          I’d put Vica Versa above We Ready, but that’s just me.

          • AKA The Sauce

            Facts

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            Did that get club/car play?

            • miss t-lee

              Club play, definitely.

        • AKA The Sauce

          Why do they play this at the Atl United games….I was so shocked lol.

          • miss t-lee

            Because Pastor Troy and Atlanta?

            • AKA The Sauce

              But a soccer game…I was confused.

              • miss t-lee

                Did the soccer game move out of Atlanta?

                • AKA The Sauce

                  I was one of 13 black people in the entire stadium

                  • miss t-lee

                    Well 13 of y’all was jamming.

      • IDontKnowAnyMore

        Skating rink song, but different vibe than when Knuck if you buck comes on.

      • miss t-lee

        This is still a bop. Maybe top 20.

    • Ess Tee

      What about “Wipe Me Down”?

      • miss t-lee

        Top 5

        • AKA The Sauce

          No lies

          • miss t-lee

            I know…lol

    • miss t-lee

      It’s top 15.

    • siante

      It’s a good workout song

    • “My Mind is Playing Tricks on Me”
      “Murder”
      “Here I Go”
      “SpottieOttieDopaliscious”

      • AKA The Sauce

        Your last two…indeed

      • Yahmo Bethere

        Mind Playing Tricks on Me!!!!!

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