Theory & Essay

White People Really F*cked Some Sh*t Up, Didn’t They?

Colonialism is a motherf*cker, ain’t it? We all know that the “man’s” intrusion into Africa royally screwed up the world. But maaaaaaaaan, everybody in DC should look at the closest white person and just be mad like we all collectively decided to watch Rosewood. On a jumbotron. At the White House. On a Tuesday.

See, according to a recent book by Craig Timberg and Daniel Halpern called “Tinderbox” imperialist douchebags came in the door (we said it before), and took HIV/AIDS from its closely knit community at its point of origin and sent that ho travelling around the world. First Christopher Columbus “discovered” America, then pilgrims handed over blankets of death to unsuspecting non-ticket scalpers (that was f*cked up…Hail To The Redskins), and then random ass slave trader dudes come to the Congo, run into the one mothertrucker who had HIV who had smanged somebody else and next thing you know we’ve created the AIDS epidemic in the early 1900s because the man couldn’t keep it in his pants.

I’m paraphrasing of course, but this recent story – actually a reprint from the book – published in the Washington Post entitled “Colonialism in Africa helped launch the HIV epidemic a century ago” was interesting for so many reasons. Here are some excerpts (in case you miraculously hadn’t heard about this yesterday somehow):

So HIV’s first journey looked something like this: A hunter killed an infected chimp in the southeastern Cameroonian forest, and a simian virus entered his body through a cut during the butchering, mutating into HIV.

This probably had happened many times before, during the centuries when the region had little contact with the outside world. But now thousands of porters — both men and women — were crossing through the area regularly, creating more opportunities for the virus to travel onward to a riverside trading station such as Moloundou.

One of the first victims — whether a hunter, a porter or an ivory collector — gave HIV to a sexual partner. There may have been a small outbreak around the trading station before the virus found its way aboard a steamship headed down the Sangha River.

For this fateful journey south, HIV could have ridden in the body of these first victims, or it could have been somebody infected later: a soldier or a laborer. Or it could have been carried by a woman: a concubine, a trader.

It’s also possible that the virus moved down the river in a series of steps, maybe from Moloundou to Ouesso, then onward to Bolobo on the Congo River itself.

There might even have been a series of infections at trading towns along the entire route downriver. Yet even within these riverside trading posts HIV would have struggled to create anything more than a short-lived, localized outbreak.

Most of this colonial world didn’t have enough potential victims for such a fragile virus to start a major epidemic. HIV is harder to transmit than many other infections. People can have sex hundreds of times without passing the virus on. To spread widely, HIV requires a population large enough to sustain an outbreak and a sexual culture in which people often have more than one partner, creating networks of interaction that propel the virus onward.

To fulfill its grim destiny, HIV needed a kind of place never before seen in Central Africa but one that now was rising in the heart of the region: a big, thriving, hectic place jammed with people and energy, where old rules were cast aside amid the tumult of new commerce.

It needed Kinshasa. It was here, hundreds of miles downriver from Cameroon, that HIV began to grow beyond a mere outbreak. It was here that AIDS grew into an epidemic.

It really is an interesting article. Mostly because much like everything else negative that happens in the world, there’s a plausible link to slavery, imperialism, and colonialism here as well. Most people think that HIV made its mark in the 1980s and while its true that’s where mankind collectively began to notice it, apparently HIV was traversing the Central African plains for decades.

Anyway, I don’t have much else to add here aside from the fact that you can probably now say that if something’s wrong, it’s probably white people’s fault. And no, not individual white people…but the institution of whiteness. That institution that refuses to move off the sidewalk when I’m walking towards it. Or just move out the way.

I wanted to share this article for those who hadn’t seen it. What do you think? Is it surprising? More of the same? Or Does it even matter?

Personally, my only thought was one of, “that sounds about right”. And for some reason, that disappointed me. I shall delve into that.

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka MR. GO THE F*CK BACK TO AFRICA aka GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRL HE A 3

 

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  • naturalista88

    After napping off a migraine & struggling through my French homework, I read this and now I am more depressed than earlier. Ugh, #minuswell go to bed *shuffles off*.

    • That Ugly Kid

      Well see there’s your problem right there miss. You took French. Everyone knows you have to take Spanish. Tis the easy way out.

      • naturalista88

        *Lol*, by the time I registered for my classes Spanish was full, plus it’s a goal of mine to live in France for a few years, gotta know the language of the people there otherwise I’ll probably say something to get myself strung on a tree like some Christmas lights.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        French is where its at. And I’m not saying that b/c I’m French.

        okay. i’m mostly saying it b/c i’m French.

        • That Ugly Kid

          Wait, so you’re part Surrenderer? Tell me, how does that work out for you? In a way, I envy you. It’s probably easy as f*ck to walk away from possible domestic disputes given that running away from conflict is somewhere in your blood.

          • veryaveragebrotha

            ….because black people have never ever ever ever ever been known to surrender???

            • That Ugly Kid

              Nope. The French are known for and often made fun of for surrendering/running away from fights A LOT. Moreso than anyone else apparently. So while other races have surrendered before, they haven’t done so a much as the French. So to classify those of a French bloodline as surrenders/lovers-not-fighters is an old (and rather common) history joke.

              The fact that I have to explain this joke makes me mad at the American school system. Like, I want to axe kick Dakota Fanning right now (how old is she anyway, hasn’t she been 12 years old for like the past 5 years?).

              • veryaveragebrotha

                **sigh**

                Perhaps you should have taken a little more time to understand my joke….

                BTW, you do realize the French that you’re ridiculing punked a significant portion of west Africa right? People in glass houses…people in glass houses…

        • Zara

          Lol un peu biased eh?
          I studied french and even did the study abroad thing… and years later I now work in the Bronx and I kick myself everyday for not studying espagnol!

    • Starita34

      As long as you’re depressed, look up Japanese Internment camps in the United States. I know many may already be aware, but I didn’t really understand what happened until yesterday. The title of this post captured my thoughts almost perfectly.

  • http://afrikanmami.blogspot.com African Mami

    HIV/AIDS is a disease made by the white man to eliminate black people. It is not a secret. We know whats up! The endemic in Africa is a carefully orchestrated strategy to wipe an entire continent. Oh well, we have fallen into their trap, and now through sheer ignorance-on some people’s part and a lack of education and access to proper resources are actually making the white man’s dream come true.

    • nillalatte

      Only problem with that theory is that HIV/AIDS does not know if you are black or white. Just saying.

      • http://afrikanmami.blogspot.com African Mami

        duh!-It does not, BUT if we look at FACTS-who are the most marginalized and affected…BLACK PEOPLE!

        • DG

          Not trying to play devil’s advocate or anything, but last I checked…transmission of HIV is directly related to one’s behavior, not one’s race. I’ve NEVER heard of an incident where a white man held a gun on two black ppl and forced them to engage in unprotected s3x or other risky behavior(s)…I’m just saying.

          Regardless of what you believe to be the origins of the disease, we gotta hold ourselves accountable for its continued transmission within our communities. That sh#t is on us.

          • http://afrikanmami.blogspot.com African Mami

            @ DG

            Of course we have to hold ourselves accountable….I did allude to this in my ignorance, lack of education blah blah statement…..

            -If we are being used as GUINEA PIGS by pharmaceutical manufacturers over in the motherland as I’m talking, the menace that is HIV/AIDS should not come as a surprise. It was concocted in some lab!

            • A Woman’s Eyes

              Yet AIDS is the #1 killer of young Black people globally.

              Even though AIDS doesn’t discriminate by race, we have to question why it has spread through countries in Africa, killing whole communities of Black people. And we have to question why its the #1 killer of Black people 15 to 45 here in the U.S.

              Two years ago, it was revealed that the 1940s, the United States conducted experiments in Guatamela where populations of people were injected with STDs and other viruses.

              http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/01/AR2010100107299.html

              The possibilities of viruses being created in research laboratories and then released into the human population either by accident or on purpose is real.

              http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE3DA113DF934A15751C1A9679D8B63&scp=9&sq=released+virus&st=nyt

              In 2005, it was revealed that the U.S. government tested AIDS drugs on foster children who are HIV positive without consideration for the risks of such testing on their already compromised immune system.

              http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7736157/ns/health-aids/t/government-tested-aids-drugs-foster-kids/#.T042bszIegr

              Given medicine’s history of experimentation and drug testing on people of color, children, women, it is not such a great leap to ponder if the AIDS virus was created in laboratories and then released to a target population to observe how the virus attacks their bodies.

              We should question the origin of the AIDS virus and ask what DNA evidence exists to prove the monkey was infected and killed theory for the origins of AIDS.

              Given that we are living in times where any and all types of viruses are created and mutated in a laboratory, I’m not so quick to believe an infected monkey in the wild theory.

              • http://the-rogue-scholar.tumblr.com randomeffery

                yay for facts.

              • Justmetheguy

                @ A Woman’s Eyes- I really appreciate you bringing that perspective to the conversation and not backing down. The ABSOLUTE most irritating and (imo) dangerous thing I see black individuals in the blogosphere and real life do is write people off with a convenient label folks as “conspiracy nutjobs” or discredit someone’s explanation as a “conspiracy theory”. The truth is any theory you here and it’s “proof” is all only to be taken as a possibility. So why is their side of the story seen as a “theory” while the other side is seen as a credible historical account? We’ve seen time and time again that our government, our media, and our (public) history books can’t always be trusted. More importantly we’ve been given proof time and time again for centuries (or if you do some real research into black history) millenia that those same three entities I just mentioned will go out of their way to harm us as a community (even when it doesn’t directly benefit them). I rember seeing a youtube clip in college when we used to watch felony fights and whatnot that involved a dude getting knocked out. Dude hit buddy so hard that he fell to the ground and in an unconscious involuntary move he reached his arm up for help getting up. Ironically the person he was reaching for help from was the one that knocked him out in the first place. So naturally he pushed his arm back to the ground and continued taunting him in order to prove his superiority. I swear that’s a direct parallel to what i see between white and black people today. I can’t for the life of me understand why the default way of thinking for so many black people is to trust these same people that knocked you down continuously before you trust anyone else about what’s going on and how to avoid it. I mean, I’m not saying every conspiracy you hear is true or that some of these “youtube intellectuals” don’t exaggerate or take it two steps too far sometimes, cause they definitely do. I get that it comes off as shock value information and phony academia, but I honestly don’t see many of those theories as anything more than another side of the story. I’m intelligent enough to say that I don’t know the truth about many things that have happened. I think the truth usually lies somewhere between the story that the mainstream gives and the story the radicals that are hyper-sensitive to conspiracies give. Depending on the subject and how much motive/incentive people have to conspire (usually money, status ,and power are a helluva motive to human beings and their egos) it’s not as outrageous and unlikely as so many intellectuals (black ones for crying out loud) tend to assume. Corporations, investors, and banks conspire ALL THE TIME. Why? Because they are exponentially more powerful when they work together. It’s common sense really. This is all about money and power, and some level of deception by omission is needed when you want to feed off of unsuspecting victims/customers. That’s all the radicals are trying so enthusiastically to demonstrate to you otherwise very smart brothas and sisters. The truth is never that convenient, especially when the stakes are so high. Remember who the enemies have been and what people/families/entities stand to gain from certain epidemics/crises. Good comment A Woman’s Eyes

                • Justmetheguy

                  Smh, sorry for all the run- on sentences, grammatical mistakes (and whatever you call the mistake of saying here when I meant hear) and the long-windedness (it’s a word now d*mmit lol)

                  • A Woman’s Eyes

                    Justme,

                    I read everything you wrote, so no worries.

                    ” I can’t for the life of me understand why the default way of thinking for so many black people is to trust these same people that knocked you down continuously before you trust anyone else about what’s going on and how to avoid it.”

                    Yes — I hate to get Oprah-ish but when we know better, we do better.

                    Just recently, there was news coming out of North Carolina where Black people, and/or people with disabilities had testified in court on how they discovered they had been sterilized without their knowledge by the government. The last year of the program? 1974

                    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/us/redress-weighed-for-forced-sterilizations-in-north-carolina.html?_r=1&ref=northcarolina&pagewanted=all

                    I imagine that any of those people speaking up about having learned they had been sterilized back in the day would have garnered strange silence and strange looks from people until the truth came out. People don’t want to believe such a systematic effort would exist to harm anyone who looks like them or their family.

                    • Justmetheguy

                      ” People don’t want to believe such a systematic effort would exist to harm anyone who looks like them or their family.”

                      Yep…that’s a pretty sad story. It’s expected at this point though.

              • http://vanityinperil.com Vanity in Peril

                I read all that with an 80′s laugh track playing in my mind. Not because one iota of that was in any way funny. It was not. But because it frightened the hell out of me and I would like to sleep somewhat soundly tonight. Thanks for the info.

              • Brian

                It’s all in the science journals. Read them.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      I’m all for a good conspiracy theory on occasion. I’m just not sure I buy into this one.

      • MsPackyetti

        Part of me thinks this may absolutely be true, but at the end of the day, I think it’s hardly the point.

        Is it critical for us to find the historical truth lest we repeat it? Absolutely, but what we should be spending MUCH more time on is ensuring people have access to correct information, education to change habits, and the medication to save lives.

        We need to be dispelling myths like those that say you can be cured of HIV by having sex with a virgin-which has increased rape and child molestation to epid proportions and means death sentences for so many young girls internationally. We need to be correcting people when they imply or explicitly state that the only way to get it is if you’re gay or if your man is on the down low. We need to be providing clean needles for addicts, free condoms for all and the education that should come with both.

        Simply, we need to empower people to create the healthy habits that help them avoid the disease. The more time we spend talking about the past, the more time we spend ignoring what’s most important: Saving lives NOW.

    • http://uphereoncloud9.wordpress.com Wu Young, Agent of M.E.

      So if men could hypothetically create such a malady to destroy certain undesirable peoples then why go through the trouble of protecting those who are deemed desirable? The man-made plague sounds like something out of the funny books to me.

      • DQ

        The problem with Conspiracy Theories is that they seem most plausible to people who are already disposed to believe them in the first place. You don’t have to look any further than the Obama-Birther effect. What seems like legitimate points of question and possible conspiracy to Tea Partiers, the rest of us dismiss as ridculous flights of fancy conceived under the haze of some hallucinogenic by people on the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe (kind of like the worst of the worst)

        I agree with anyone that says anything is possible, because mathematically anything is possible… put possible and plausible are not the same metric. And in any event, for me, no conspiracy theory is worth getting worked up over. If there is a shadowy organization plotting your downfall… if there is an actual group of people who had the power to engineer one of the world’s worst epidemics, killing millions, costing billions, who managed to avoid prosecution of any kind, and who were never identified…

        …to them your internet rant means exactly what? If they could do all that is attributed to them by conspiracy theory, they aren’t worried about you or anything you know.

        • http://uphereoncloud9.wordpress.com Wu Young, Agent of M.E.

          *nods head*

        • Justemetheguy

          @ DQ- I agree man. I don’t get worked up about it anymore. At the end of the day I tell all the people I know that are still heated about it that they should be focusing more on what we can do to make sure we are equipped to adapt to the world they’re creating. My point in that rant (which ended up being twice as long as it felt like when I was typing it) was to point out that it’s silly to believe that one side of the story is right and the other is ridiculous. They’re both partially right, and we should be very cautious about ANY information we receive, no matter how legitimate its presentation is. I joke all the time that if the Illuminatti exists I’m tryna get recruited and join the squad, cause they stay winnin….and I’m only half joking. My preferred method of dealing with the new economy (or New World Order continuing with the theme lol) is to learn the new laws, adjust my lifestyle and entrepreneurial endeavors so that I can swim with the current instead of swimming upstream. After that I’ll save all the people I deem worthy of my help. I say all that because I recognize that it may have appeared from my previous post that I was sitting around gaining more and more information about the boogeyman that is the Illuminati only to pout and rant on message boards. Trust and believe that’s not the case, but I don’t like to see people close off theories that are not only possible, but in some cases plausible. Either way I won’t be losing any sleep over it, I just observe and adjust, and I suggest you all do the same.

          • DQ

            Just so you know, I didn’t intend my post as a direct response to yours (even though we both used the “rant” imagery). And I do agree with you in principle that we shouldn’t dismiss an idea simply because at first glance it seems far fetched – the concept of “atomic matter” I’m sure seem far fetched at one point as well.

            But I would take your beginning thought and extend it to say, “be skeptical, ask why, question everything”. And when I say question things, I don’t just mean the well manuicured histories (which may not be true) but the far flung conspiracy theories that challenge the conventional wisdom (because the conspiracy theories may not be true). Question everything. There are times when the conspiracy theorist is just wrong. Again, Obama-Birther deal.

            FTR, the Tuskeegee Experiment was all I ever needed to see to know that state agencies and institutions are capable of anything (which I think make’s the case for AIDS being a labratory experiment gone wrong, better than early colonials offering diseased blankets). But even making the better case, is the case plausible – based on the informatin that we have? I don’t think it is. It’s all speculation so you still have the right to believe otherwise (you aren’t operating from any less information than I am, neither one of us knows the truth). But in the absence of truth I merely look for what is most likely/plausible.

            As for adjusting to the new economy, the new laws, the new markets… I don’t know pimp… I would think you could do that, and should be motivated to do that, apart from invoking the fear/concern of activities of shadow groups. Whether they exist (and exert the influence attributed to them) the onus was always still on us to:

            1. Understand the system
            2. Use it to our advantage

            • Justmetheguy

              @ DQ- Man I agree with EVERYTHING you just said, and that’s scary because I’d like to think that I don’t see anything completely the same way as another person…

              ” As for adjusting to the new economy, the new laws, the new markets… I don’t know pimp… I would think you could do that, and should be motivated to do that, apart from invoking the fear/concern of activities of shadow groups. Whether they exist (and exert the influence attributed to them) the onus was always still on us to:

              1. Understand the system
              2. Use it to our advantage”

              Yeah, I mean I always felt that way, but learning how others are achieving success and the reason why (understanding what laws allow and capitalizing with the help of others that have access to the right resources) really lit a fire under me like never before. You have to realize that I’m a lot younger than most of you. The efforts of the powerful elite have forced me to avoid sleeping in the back seat while they drive the car. Many people refuse to open their eyes, others just trust that those driving know what’s best for everyone and will act in a way that ensures the best outcome for the majority who follow the rules. Dangerous, especially when you’re black with a lot less of a margin for error. Great post though. All those points were well articulated

              • Justmetheguy

                ” apart from invoking the fear/concern of activities of shadow groups”

                I don’t know if you were accusing me of this, but I certainly have never intended to invoke fear. I only intended to encourage awareness, skepticism, and intelligent action. But I’d settle for unity….(unrealistic I know)

                • DQ

                  I was leaning more towards the “concern” half for you.

                  • Justmetheguy

                    ” I was leaning more towards the “concern” half for you.”

                    Got u. Yeah, my concern only arises when the subject comes up. I’ll get worked up for a second, calm down and put sh*t in perspective, and then go on about my life. No way I’m gonna spend more than a small portion of my time being concerned with things that are far beyond my control.

  • CrioulaBonita

    Studying both HIV and whiteness/blackness, etc, I am very interested to read this article. But, yeah–what you said: everything can be blamed on Whiteness. sigh.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      lol. glad to see that you got the crux of what i was saying.

  • Cheech

    Being the child of Nigerian immigrants, honestly I can’t say I’m surprised. I’ve seen the effects of arbitrarily drawing borders as well as cleaning out a country when they want their independence has done. But at the same time, very few black leaders have made this world a better place so to be honest, we as a species have some role in this f*ckery

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      i absolutely agree with you on the roles we’ve played in the demise of ourselves.

      that’s why we’ve got to convert Plies to the light side. that way he can change the world. i think the future is in Plies.

      • Thai

        You soooo do not think the future is in Plies lol!

  • nillalatte

    I think chimps are more the problem than people. They carry a variety of diseases including Ebola. Want to see a nasty bug? Educate yourself on Ebola. It’s pretty phucking scary.

    Colonialism destroyed a lot of Nations. It wasn’t a pretty time for Native Americans either. 25million slaughtered. It’s kind of hard to celebrate Thanksgiving knowing how that turned out later.

    It’s okay. Blame the white man. But, not just any ole white man. The white man with money or political clout. All those little ‘secret’ societies that plot for power and dominance. Yup, those white men. I’m all for it because they do have a way of phucking up the world.

    • nillalatte

      For consideration: http://www.originofaids.com/

      • erika

        In the most depressingly hopeless biochemistry lecture, the professor stopped his talk to go on a rant about how money is being wasted on HIV/AIDS research for cures as there would never be a cure (it can be managed a la Magic Johnson but not cured). It was disturbing that a virus could behave in the manner HIV does. It replicates itself rapidly and with every replication there are mutations–it’s constantly flipping the script.

        Cures don’t make money anyway.

        • Around the Way Girl

          Dude, I learned about the virus in a biology class too…and that is some terrifying sh!t. It’s like this evil, living thing that grows stronger and more complex with time. I bet scientists came up with calling it the monster, because that’s the only way to think of it once you know how it works.

          • Justmetheguy

            Yeah that AIDS virus is super cunning, intelligent, and evil! It’s scary as F*CK! I’m not convinced it isn’t aliens in disguise! lol, I’m kidding. I read about all AIDS’ sophistication and skullduggery when I read “The Red Queen” by Matt Ridley and I’ve never been more terrified by a disease in my life…but I was also fascinated…sheesh…..condoms and prayer FTW

            • Around the Way Girl

              The Red Queen keeps coming up in my conversations lately…maybe I need to go back and read it. I was supposed to read it in school, but I never did lol. By then I had learned how to pass classes without actually doing the reading.

              Is it worth the time?

              • Justemetheguy

                @ Around the Way Girl- hahaha! I know exactly what you mean! I did the same thing throughout school because they just wanted us to read TOO D*MN MUCH in too little time. The Red Queen was very interesting to me. I’d say it’s worth your time, but parts of it get too technical and dry. Other parts are absolutely fascinating. I’d say scan the first half then by the middle you’ll be reading every word and re-reading certain parts lol. It did multiple topics justice. The way sexual selection drives evolution, why both sexes are attracted to different features and characteristics, and the concept of the Red Queen and how it applies to any aspect of life that involves competition. I’m not a reading junkie per se, but I read that book in less than a week lol

                • Around the Way Girl

                  Cool. Thanks! :)

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      Thats why I mentioned the institution and not the individual. That same institution that parlayed slavery as a regular and okay practice. I don’t generally blame the individuals…or better stated…

      i dont have the player, i hate the game.

      • nillalatte

        Yeah, no, I read that. It was late. I shouldn’t try to play when I’m delirious. :)

    • http://the-rogue-scholar.tumblr.com randomeffery

      @ nillalatte,
      i think you missed the part where panama said “the institution of whiteness”. (he surely can correct me if he & i have different understandings of what that means (or if he gives a F))

      this is not talking about white people as individuals or any group of individuals. whiteness is a historical, socio-political construction. in this particular case, it refers to the way that construction has benefited white people, especially in contrast to how detrimental it has been to non-white people.

      & i understand Panama’s post was made at least semi-tongue-in cheek on a “damn, white people ruin EVERYTHING” tip. but it is extremely annoying when great white defenders have to pop up and completely derail a conversation with some bullcrap.

      This post is not about the detriment of CHIMPS to the health of human beings. he is talking about the detriment of colonization (that’s how he starts the whole article)–to human beings. in this particular case, the harms of european colonization on african people and people of african descent.
      colonization realy EFFED up the people on the “being colonized” side. we still see it today. why in the context of THAT conversation, did you feel the need to defend “the good white people”??????????

      that is so annoying. this is not about you, as an individual. the colonial process created a global system in which white people have privilege. everywhere. if you’re white–or if you can be perceived as white–that includes, you, too. that’s it. no 1 is speaking on your character, or you as an individual, at all. no one is saying to go out and hate all white people. get over yourself.

      • Justmetheguy

        @ Randomeffery- Tell em why u mad son? lol, but I feel u. I agree with what you said, but I try to be empathetic to nillalette. Sometime the message can be perceived to be separatist and ppl don’t always articulate the way they should. So while they may not mean “white people are the scum of the world each of them as individuals” but when they only articulate it as “white people fucked it all up and they hate us” the message gets lost in translation to a lot of ppl. I think nillalette was just tryna make sure that didn’t happen. I understand because the same thing happens in feminism vs black men slugfests, i meant conversations lol

      • nillalatte

        “did you feel the need to defend “the good white people”??????????”

        Nope. Some black folks don’t think that the elite’s policies negatively affect other white folks. They do. Just saying.

        As for your last paragraph rant, I’m good. I just try to help bring balance to the conversation. If you don’t want to read a little balance then don’t read my posts. Simple. :)

        • http://the-rogue-scholar.tumblr.com randomeffery

          “Nope. Some black folks don’t think that the elite’s policies negatively affect other white folks. They do. Just saying.”

          1st off, that isn’t what you said. what you said was “not all white people”. which was never the point.
          still, i ask, you felt that it was both relevant and necessary to bring that up in the context of THIS conversation because….?

          this is not about “balance”. this is total irrelevance…you even brought up secret societies, for goodness’ sake.

          and if you would not like responses to your comments, then maybe you should type them to yourself or share them solely among friends, instead of posting them in a public forum.

          • Justmetheguy

            ” you even brought up secret societies, for goodness’ sake.”

            Yeah, she did. I was gonna point that out. She also used a great phrase “the elite’s policies”. That’s what all this boils down to. There are certain families, businesses, and politicians that are working together for common goals (namely money, policy, power). That’s the most important piece to take away from any conspiracy theory you hear involving the government. How Jay-z and all these other celebs are lumped into the actual elite is beyond me. Like I said ninjas exaggerate and flat out lie, but the important thing to know is that a few control the vast majority and could care less about what happens to said majority. There’s not much contention about that. Is it? I don’t think randomeffery and nillalette are really disagreeing though. I see why she felt like the message of the anti-whiteness post was in danger of being misinterpreted in a way that would negatively affect her (and other white individuals though) so that’s what she meant by balance. I agree that it wasn’t necessary for those of us who knew what she meant, but just remember that not all individuals infer the same conclusions from statements.

        • Justmetheguy

          ” Some black folks don’t think that the elite’s policies negatively affect other white folks. They do. Just saying.”

          Agreed. Whether or not that’s relevant depends on who you asked. It was beside the point, but I wouldn’t call it irrelevant

  • Justmetheguy

    ” Personally, my only thought was one of, “that sounds about right”. And for some reason, that disappointed me. ”

    You and me see eye to eye then. Because that was my reaction. That was an interesting article. It made me think about Malcolm Gladwell’s book Tipping Point that discusses how epidemics start and what factors must be present for something containable to reach the epic proportions of “epidemic” status. It’s a really interesting book and there are some parallels between his theories and this book. Good post Petey, I didn’t know the history of AIDS, but I feel a lot more educated now than I was 15 minutes ago. Thanks and sh*t.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      Ya know, I didn’t know much about its origins either. i suppose i just never took the time to delve into more than than I already knew about transmission etc.

  • http://iamyourpeople.com/ I Am Your People

    I’m using this article to “agree” with anyone who endorses White History Month

    • Latonya

      White History Month is every day for white people! LOL

      • Around the Way Girl

        And they just do not get this either. I had a long conversation with a co-worker about how she feels like there should be some kind of celebration for white people and their whiteness, just like there is for people of other races. I’m like really? It’s not enough to dominate the world and have your culture forced down everyone else’s throats on a daily basis…yall have to be CELEBRATED on top of it too? Black people get a month and yall are whining “that’s not fair!”? GTFOH. And don’t get me started on how they just will not get over the fact that they can’t use the N word (safely anyway…we all know they use it when we aren’t around). I’m constantly having that conversation with my white friends. White people are so freaking entitled, there can’t be one thing others have that they don’t have.

        End rant. I love white people, but they get on my nerves with that kinda sh*t.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          I remember in high school we got into this supercharged discussion in my American History class about Black History Month. One white student was complaining that there was BET and felt like there should be a station for white people…

          In one of the most funny spontaneous outbursts in myboys life ever…this ninja stood up and yelled…”y’all motherf*ckers have white entertainment television! it’s called nbc, abc, cbs, cnn, the nasa channel, cable, satellite, and Friends!”

          when i tell you we fell out laughing SO hard. yes, he got sent to the principal’s office for yelling out motherf*ckers. but yes he was right. and yes, i will always remember that story. and why he threw Friends in there at the end…along with NASA was hilarious. and i didnt make any of that up. we still talk about that when i’m at home.

          • A Woman’s Eyes

            ” n one of the most funny spontaneous outbursts in myboys life ever…this ninja stood up and yelled…”y’all motherf*ckers have white entertainment television! it’s called nbc, abc, cbs, cnn, the nasa channel, cable, satellite, and Friends!”

            *DEAD & BURIED LMAO*

          • Around the Way Girl

            LOL I love your friend for that. I am all too familiar with those debates…we had them all the time in high school too. White people just do not get the concept of privilege. And why would they? They’ve never been on the other side. I wish every white person could spend maybe a week as a black person. Then they’d realize just how ridiculous they sound when they ask for things like white entertainment television lol.

            • Deeds

              I don’t think a week would be enough. They would still identify more with the dominant culture.

              Btw, what is their counter argument for white history is every month and white entertainment is on every station?

              • Around the Way Girl

                It kinda falls on deaf ears. To them, that stuff is just the “norm” (which is the definition of privilege, but of course they don’t realize this)…it’s not highlighting whiteness or white “culture.” They often say they feel culture-less. Some have said that, like us, many of them can’t trace back to a specific ethnicity (which is BS, I think…most of them can at least halfway identify with something), and they feel like there is nothing out there that makes them feel special or at liberty to unify and celebrate themselves as white people, and blah blah blah lol.

                I do understand where they’re coming from, but I am not all that sympathetic.

          • Angel Baby

            LMAO This made me LOL at work!!!! But I loved Friends though ;) hahahaha I can picture him yelling this! Classic!

          • http://pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

            “In one of the most funny spontaneous outbursts in myboys life ever…this ninja stood up and yelled…”y’all motherf*ckers have white entertainment television! it’s called nbc, abc, cbs, cnn, the nasa channel, cable, satellite, and Friends!””

            Can I like… marry yo boy? Thanks.

            • Justmetheguy

              haha, yeah P, your boy goes down in the hall of fame right beside the dude that threw the shoe at Bush. That was equally “epic” as 2520s would say lol

        • Asiyah

          “White people are so freaking entitled.”

          Basically. Everyday “whiteness” is celebrated, even by the very own people who are victims of this whiteness. Shove your White History Month idea up your *ss.

    • http://vanityinperil.com Vanity in Peril

      White History Month?!

      O my! I have never been gifted with the opportunity to have a conversation with someone who actually would say that out loud. O the places we would go (conversationally, speaking). My mouth waters and I’m cracking my knuckles involuntarily just thinking of the lessons that would need to be handed down that day. Please White Jesus… please let this happen to me.

  • Leila

    “Without “The Scramble for Africa,” it’s hard to see how HIV could have made it out of southeastern Cameroon to eventually kill tens of millions of people”

    Man….Interesting article, but also makes me mad at the same time. I need time to digest this.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      thats what the person who sent it to me said.

  • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com/ Val

    I saw a doc on PBS called, “Guns Germs & Steel”. According to this theory Europeans were able to conquer the world because they had guns and germs and steel. Those three things allowed them to kill millions.

    It was an interesting documentary. It made me wonder then what would have happened if Africans had learned to make steel and guns first and then began exploring and spreading their germs.

    And this post once again makes me wonder not just how different the world would be but how different would our individual Black lives be.

    That’s what I think about it.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      the great what if’s of the world can drive you absolutely insane.

    • Justmetheguy

      @ Val- Yeah Guns, Germs, and Steel is a REAL eye-opener that literally explained how ALL the global trends were made possible by a perfect storm of events that led to European domination/bastardization of the world. Steel production and mass food production changed the game on such a colossal level that no one else had a chance really. It had nothing to do with a difference in intelligence and everything to do with food production, steel production, and germs. I actually bought the book before I knew there was a documentary. The book is COLOSSAL tho, so I only finished like a quarter of it, so I still intend to watch the documentary on netflix.

    • Asiyah

      “According to this theory Europeans were able to conquer the world because they had guns and germs and steel.”

      That’s true. Most of the Caribbean Indians in the island of Hispañola (modern day Haiti & Dominican Republic) were killed due to diseases such as small pox that were brought by the Spaniards. We went from an indigenous population of about 4 million to almost 20,000 by the time the Spaniards left in the 1800s. That’s a genocide nobody really talks about, sadly.

  • http://iamyourpeople.com/ I Am Your People
    • http://twitter.com/aquarienne aquarienne
      • http://h NY2VA

        Smith College is exactly where it needs to be. …and I don’t wear pearls, I rock gold chains.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/NewYork2VA NY2VA

        “Smith College is exactly where it needs to be. …and I don’t wear pearls, I rock gold chains.”

        The young woman who wrote this response is EVERYTHING!

        *Poses in my b-girl stance*

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          yeah that kilt me. i’m trying to figure out how get some chick to put that into a song.