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What If We Were Wrong About Trayvon?

Aside from finding an answer to the always awkward “So…who gets to “keep” the mutual friends?” question every newly uncoupled duo needs to ask themselves, the most difficult part of making the transition to “single” for me has been figuring out how to categorize memories. More specifically, are the great times you spent with your ex remembered in the same way once the relationship ends? Does that trip you took together to Rome or that unbelievable birthday he threw for you still get filed under “great” in your memory banks, do you create an entirely different category to archive those memories, or do you just try your best to expel them completely?

It seems as if the answer depends on the nature of the break-up. I imagine that people who ended relationships because of serious betrayal have a tougher time thinking positively of anything that happened in the time they were in that relationship. And, even if they do have a fondness for those things, how do they deal with the fact that a fond memory was eventually found to be a complete fabrication? (An example: You found out that your trip to Rome was only possible because his mistress works for Delta and hooked him up with free plane tickets)

While I understand the sentiment behind allowing a present experience affect how you remember the past, I think doing so cheats yourself out of one of the best parts of living. Learning that the relationship itself may not have been everything you thought it was doesn’t negate the authentic feeling felt when those memories were created. Your joy and happiness wasn’t inauthentic; it was your genuine reaction to something good happening. And, since most relationships, even good ones, eventually end, re-categorizing all good things that happened in relationships that eventually ended from “good” to “f*ck that shit” would ultimately leave most of us with no good memories at all.

Anyway, a couple weeks ago I wrote about the fact that the Trayvon Martin case has galvanized us in a way that, to be honest, I can’t remember happening at any other point in my lifetime. Seeing us collectively committed to righting this wrong almost makes me feel as good as the event causing us to come together makes me feel bad, and many seem to share this sentiment.

Still, despite our steadfast commitment to making damn sure our outrage is felt and our demands are heeded, the fact remains that there are still only three relevant facts regarding this case:

1. Trayvon Martin, an unarmed teen, was killed by neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman.

2. George Zimmerman is still free

3. Aside from Zimmerman, Martin, (maybe) a few witnesses, and God, no one knows exactly what happened that night.

Now, I’m not here today to speculate on what I think happened¹ or even what anyone else thinks happened. Instead, I want to play hypothetical for a moment and ask “What if?”²

What if the reckless shit some are spewing about Trayvon being the aggressor and beating Zimmerman to a pulp happens to be true? What if the gun accidentally went off after a struggle? What if he really was a problem child who, to paraphrase the words of a dozen or so dangerously contrarian conservative columnists, “had it coming?” What if Zimmerman’s life was in real danger?

I’m asking because I wonder if would it change how we’ve felt about the last few weeks of walk-outs, petition-signing, rally-attending, hoodie-wearing, and protest-marching if any of this was found to be true. Would the outrage still be as white hot if we found out that our perception of what happened that night was completely off? Would the collective galvanization still feel as real? Would the strides we’ve made in proving to ourselves that “yes we can actually unite behind a cause” prove to be inauthentic? Would we continue to, to quote Slim Charles, “fight on that lie“?

I want to believe everything I want to believe about Trayvon, and I want to believe that even if those beliefs aren’t true, my feelings about this collective effort wouldn’t change. I’d like to think I’d follow my own advice about how not to let context cloud memories, but l desperately hope I never have to answer any of those questions.

¹I think that Zimmerman stalked, followed, and confronted Martin and shot him in a scared panic. Cold-blooded murder? No. But, his fear speaks to the latent feeling many have towards Black males, and since this fear resulted in the death of an unarmed kid, he deserves to be behind bars.
²Just wanted to remind everybody that writing a hypothetical “what if” doesn’t mean that I personally believe what’s stated in the hypothetical. It’s just a hypothetical, nothing more. 

—Damon Young (aka “The Champ”)

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a contributing editor for EBONY.com. He resides in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes.

  • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

    1) The real problem with this case is that George Zimmerman wasn’t arrested. It’s not even about whether or not you think he’s ‘guilty’ – if he shot someone to death AFTER the 911 operator told him not to pursue, he should have been arrested.

    2) I’m mad that Toure’ and Piers Morgan used this case for their own self-aggrandizement.

    • Iamnotakata

      +1

    • Joy

      +1 on #2.

      • Gigi

        Total +1

      • Precious

        +1 more added to the collection

        • HerMomaGotAssToo

          +1

    • GypsyCurl

      It is very ironic and disconcerning how the media is now focused on having a “balanced” view of the situation. The new commentaries that I have now read are asking “Are people jumping to conclusions?” This very disheartening seeing how Zimmerman has not even been prosecuted in a court of law. Regardless of the reason Zimmerman shot Trayvon, Zimmerman should have his day in court. That is the only conclusion there is and there is no question/denial about that.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

        The media only wants a “balanced” view cause one of their own is being attacked so they feel like they’re being attacked as a whole. White guilt is real and it’s raw for a lot of people.

        • Todd

          I agree, but let’s keep it 100. Black guilt isn’t exactly a myth either. Why is it we always say “I hope it isn’t some Black guy/girl” when some crazy ish goes down on the news? Tribalism is not a joke.

          • annette_b

            Or maybe it’s because we know there’s a high probability that every other black person will then be seen in that same light. Leading to more profiling. Leading to yet another dead black man or woman or boy or girl.

            • Todd

              My point is that this foolishness is a part of the human condition. That doesn’t make it right, but to pretend its some wild mania indigenous to White people is silly. Let’s focus on changing minds above all instead of giving in to our fears.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        It is very ironic and disconcerning how the media is now focused on having a “balanced” view of the situation.

        this is (somewhat) unrelated to the topic, but saying “media” is a bit too vague. its kind of like saying “people.”

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “2) I’m mad that Toure’ and Piers Morgan used this case for their own self-aggrandizement.”

      i don’t know if I’d throw morgan in the same boat as toure in this regard. something about him (toure) has just always rubbed me the wrong way

    • http://fourpageletter.wordpress.com keisha brown

      +… (scrolls up to see what number i would be).

    • brothermoveson

      A prime example of two grown men (who should know better) behaving like children.

    • A Woman’s Eyes

      Toure’ and Morgan should have just pulled out their dicks to show who had the biggest dick (and was the biggest dick) and been done with it BEFORE they aired themselves on t.v. trying to discuss the Trayvon Martin case.

      And 135 lbs vs. over 200 lbs and no mention of a martial arts degree on Trayvon’s side? Negro, please.

      A teenager who isn’t behaving well doesn’t deserve to be shot dead on the street because he was walking through the neighborhood.

      If someone is following you and puts their hands on you, you have every right to defend yourself with your fists.

      It doesn’t mean you should be shot dead as your back is turned from them. (or even if it wasn’t)

      Latasha Harlins was shot in the back of the head as she walked away from her assilant.

      • A Woman’s Eyes

        FREE my comment pls

    • KenUhandleit

      Dat cracker need to be behind bars. point blank. put him in general population and bust a Marsellus Wallace (Ving Rhames) from Pulp Fiction on his a**. What now? Let me tell you what now. I’ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin’ niggers, who’ll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin’, hillbilly boy? I ain’t through with you by a damn sight. I’ma get medieval on your ass.
      I’m just sayin

      • FinalWord

        Well, to be honest, if the kid really did attack Zimmerman as the police said is “consistant” with their information, then an arrest should not be made. In America, if someone attacks you, then you have a LEGAL right to defend yourself. Even more so in Florida with the “stand you ground” law. If he was attacked (I said IF), then the police have done the right thing. Just as if Tyrone from Camden has a legal gun in his home and runs outside after someone and is attacked by a white man he has the LEGAL right to defend himself with deadly force if appropriate. Being as it is, NO ONE can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmermans life was or wasn’t in danger so no charges can LEGALLY be brought up. End of story. If there aren’t any witnesses or video evidence this case will unfortunatly go unresolved.—Sources: Law Degree from Dwayne O. Andreas School of Law in Orlando.

  • Iamnotakata

    I agree with your sentiments expressed in red…this whole ordeal is sad and unfortunate, I watched the BET special about Trayvon earlier this evening really sad to watch his father speak about the situation..

    • GypsyCurl

      Zimmerman: He’s running. Dispatcher: Are you following him?
      Zimmerman: YES (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
      Dispatcher: We don’t need you to do that.
      Zimmerman: OK (but follows Trayvon anyway)

      This whole call is self-incriminating. It does not matter if Trayvon was suspended from school or did whatever else he did before that night. He was not “asking for it”. Zimmerman clearly stated that HE was following Trayvon which is not self defense or standing your ground. Once Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon, it no longer matters how Trayvon acted (if he was aggresive or not). Zimmerman decided to be the cowboy and walk into fire. And judging from Trayvon’s CRIES for help, he was not being the aggressor, he was not winning a fight, he was crying and scared for his life. #AndImThrough

      • erika

        ^^ This! ^^ This is why I cannot see it any other way.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        I’m not disputing whether that happened. The point of the post is basically to see if your feelings about the movement would be the same if we found out that what happened actually didn’t happen.

        • http://www.facebook.com/mjoy MJoy

          I think people are saying their minds wouldn’t change because Zimmerman followed Martin when he was told not to, then proceeded to murder an unarmed boy.

          If Martin did in fact beat up Zimmerman the fact still stands that Zimmerman should have been arrested.

          There’s a lot we don’t know about that night but there’s also a lot we DO know… we know enough to demand an arrest and trial. This is why I don’t think we would regret our recent collective activism, even if more evidence of self-defense emerged.

        • https://twitter.com/#!/fiveisthenumber fiveisthenumber

          I’m tardy to the party…but my view will not change because this issue speaks to the fact that our young people need to be mentored. Young black males in particular need positive role models.

        • Pam

          Like what – Trayvon is not really dead just playing dead??

  • Joy

    The only thing I have to say to this is Trayvon Martin would still be alive today to walk to the store MINDING HIS OWN DAMN BUSINESS to buy the Arizona Tea and Skittles he had in his hand—if not for George Zimmerman.

    This must be an April Fools post.

    • GypsyCurl

      Exactly! This is nothing like that Jena Six foolishness.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “The only thing I have to say to this is Trayvon Martin would still be alive today to walk to the store MINDING HIS OWN DAMN BUSINESS to buy the Arizona Tea and Skittles he had in his hand—if not for George Zimmerman.”

      this is true, and i don’t think anyone here is denying or insinuating that it isn’t

  • naturalista88

    The only “What if?” I ponder is: “What if Zimmerman would’ve listened to the 911 dispatcher and not followed Martin?” Cause really, that’s the only “What if?” I even care about. If he was an aggressive teen, we shouldn’t have found that out in the manner that we did, meaning Zimmerman should have stayed his dumb ass in the car & not followed Martin; he wouldn’t have gotten his ass whooped, and he wouldn’t have felt the need to shoot Martin.

    • KneeCee

      +1 except for the part about getting his ass whooped. I don’t believe that part happened at all.

      • Iceprincess

        It didnt.

        • HerMomaGotAssToo

          +1 except he didn’t get his ass whooped.

  • That Ugly Kid

    Honestly, no. None of those things you mentioned would’ve changed my opinion on the matter. Why? Because I still look at thing logically.

    1. Even if Trayvon was the aggressor, guess what? Zimmy still stalked and confronted the kid. Had he not does so, he wouldn’t have been in that situation in the first place.

    2. Say the gun did go off on accident. Why not admit to it then? Why lie about getting beat up when security tapes show you uninjured and a mortician stating Trayvon’s knickles had no bruising?

    3. Let’s say Trayvon was on school suspension and did post pictures online of him throwing up middle fingers. That warrants the death penalty now? Might as well kill off 80% of then teenage population then. Yes, that includes the “innocent” blonde haired, blue eyes white girls this country loves so much.

    4. Again, he put himself in that position by not listening to the dispatcher’s advice. If I catch a robber in my crib, he just got himself f*cked up. Period.

    • That Ugly Kid

      knuckles* the teenage*

    • naturalista88

      No you didn’t call that grown ass man Zimmy… *lol*.

    • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

      Real talk on #3. Especially the ‘white girl’ part. I always said that if Naqueesha Holloway would have went to Aruba, got drunk, went off by herself to have s3x with some guy she didn’t know…no one would cry over that nappy headed h0

      • GypsyCurl

        IAmYourPeople #IAmYourE-homey

        You always come with the comments #OnPoint

      • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

        That was IT.

    • LMNOP

      cosign all of this.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

      Agree.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “Honestly, no. None of those things you mentioned would’ve changed my opinion on the matter. Why? Because I still look at thing logically.”

      it wouldnt have changed mine either, really.

    • http://pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      Zimmy, tho. *falls out*

      “1. Even if Trayvon was the aggressor, guess what? Zimmy still stalked and confronted the kid. Had he not does so, he wouldn’t have been in that situation in the first place.”

      RIGHT. If Trayvon happened to throw some blows after a STRANGER followed and confronted him as to where he was going… if anyone was “standing [their] ground”, it would’ve been Trayvon if we really wanna be real.

  • Iceprincess

    We’re not wrong about trayvon martin. Champ please please please dont get brainwashed by the media. Theyre trying to flip the script on trayvon & frankly its disgusting. The 911 tape is clear. Zimmerman stalked & killed him. Zimmerman is lying about trayvon beating his azz. The tapes of him at the police station minutes after the murder show no blood or signs of a struggle. Not a scratch on him. “They” are attemting to drag this kids reputation thru the mud saying he got suspended from school for weed, blah blah. So what? Its totally irrelevant to the events of that nite. Im so over it. Zimmerman was a paranoid biggoted moron that night & he needs to be held responsible for his actions. Period.

    • OutrageousFlair

      I think you are missing the point of the post. The question here is let’s imagine we are all wrong about what happened, and it is proven that Trayvon did, in fact, beat up Zimmerman. Would having that information change the way you would feel about the past few weeks? Would you continue to feel as outraged? That’s all. Champ is not getting “brainwashed by the media.” In fact, the words in red contain his opinion on what happened.

      • Iceprincess

        Ok but yes, i would still bw outraged. If somebody ran up on you wit a gun, youd scuffle wit them too. But thats all hypathetical cuz it didnt happen. I smell zimmerman’s defense lawyers all over this one. Classic victim blaming. Its rediculous.

      • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

        Agreed.

  • mena

    What if the reckless shit some are spewing about Trayvon being the aggressor and beating Zimmerman to a pulp happens to be true? How is it aggressive when 911 records show that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon?

    What if the gun accidentally went off after a struggle? Why was he carrying a gun in the first place? Is this neighborhood watch policy?

    What if he really was a problem child who, to paraphrase the words of a dozen or so dangerously contrarian conservative columnists, “had it coming?” Having it come to you is when you put yourself in a situation where you finally get the punishment you deserve. Trayvon didnt place himself in this situation.

    What if Zimmerman’s life was in real danger? He was still the aggressor by confronting the kid but if that were the case, sane people run, they don’t place themselves in dangerous situations to begin with. This is looking for trouble.

    Would the strides we’ve made in proving to ourselves that “yes we can actually unite behind a cause” prove to be inauthentic? Would we continue to, to quote Slim Charles, “fight on that lie“? My problem lies in not that Trayvon was murdered (even though that sounds harsh) but in how the police handled the situation. Say that Trayvon was the aggressor and attacked Zimmerman who shot him in self defense. Does this still make it right for the police to just let Zimmerman go without a full investigation? Does it make it right that Zimmerman wasn’t tested for drugs and alcohol but yet Trayvon was? Does it make it right that the parents had to go above and beyond to listen to the 911 tapes and see the video tape of Zimmerman being brought into a police station? What about the precedent this sets for the Florida law that as long as you claim self defense without adequate evidence, the cops will just let you go? This isn’t the wild west where people can carry out the punishments they deem fit. This is why we have laws, a judicial system, and congress.

    I have asked myself these same questions but continue coming back to the start that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon.

    Maybe the whole purpose of this is to have the Florida law overturned. Meeting force with force, outside of your home or property, just seems like a recipe for disaster.

    • mena

      Please free me.

    • LMNOP

      I agree that the florida law is a recipe for disaster, and I think they should overturn it, but I still don’t understand why zimmerman wasn’t arrested. I thought self-defense was something a lawyer had to prove after someone is arrested. (that is based on TV, not any actual knowledge of laws)

    • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

      Why was he carrying a gun in the first place? Is this neighborhood watch policy?

      This was not a registered Neighborhood Watch Program. Neighborhood Watch Men do not carry guns. Even if you are a registered gun owner, all you’re supposed to do is ‘observe and report.’ Calling 911 on Trayvon was not the “problem.” Getting out of the car and chasing him was.

      • Caballeroso

        @ I.A.Y.P. & Mena: I agree with your points with slight exception. By no means do I endorse or condone what apparently transpired in the Zimmy-Martin tragedy. However, I do support the right of law abiding citizens to bear arms. If that person is acting as part of a neighborhood watch (recognized or otherwise), then so be it. If the scenario had stopped there, then all is well; however, in this circumstance, Zimmy (thanks T.U.K.) got overzealous and broke the law, and for that, he should be punished. Let’s not make this an attack on the right to bear arms. It should justly remain an attack on the abuse of that privilege.

        • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

          I have no problem with (sane, non-domestic abusing or cop beating) folks carrying guns. But my point still stand – rolling around with a gun chasing folks is NOT part of neighborhood watch

    • Deeds

      My problem lies in not that Trayvon was murdered (even though that sounds harsh) but in how the police handled the situation. Say that Trayvon was the aggressor and attacked Zimmerman who shot him in self defense. Does this still make it right for the police to just let Zimmerman go without a full investigation? Does it make it right that Zimmerman wasn’t tested for drugs and alcohol but yet Trayvon was? Does it make it right that the parents had to go above and beyond to listen to the 911 tapes and see the video tape of Zimmerman being brought into a police station?

      Yes!! This to me is the most frustrating of this case. I mean we have laws and a judicial system for a reason. The way this makes it seem is that the last person standing can say whatever they want and the police can just take their word for it. Like come on prove and investigate that it was actual self-defense. Jeez, I mean if the police actually did there job in the first place would this situation be as big as it is now?

    • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

      “Meeting force with force, outside of your home or property, just seems like a recipe for disaster.”

      i disagree. the law is common sense and says that if someone attacks you not only in your home, but in a public place you have every right to be, you have the right to fight back (as opposed to simply having the right to retreat). this is completely logical.

      there is a portion of the law that is troubling, questionable, and may be applicable here. the portion that says *the aggressor* can use deadly force once he/she believe his/her life is in danger. that means if i come at you to tussle (just because i don’t like you) and i realize you’re about to kill me (you pull out a switchblade or something), i am justified in using deadly force against you even though i started it.

      • Mena

        “i disagree. the law is common sense and says that if someone attacks you not only in your home, but in a public place you have every right to be, you have the right to fight back (as opposed to simply having the right to retreat). this is completely logical.” Common sense and logical don’t always go hand in hand. That is the problem with this law. Meeting someone with deadly force. I do believe that some laws state you should try to run first but if you can’t and you have to attack…well that’s just self defense. But the problem lies in carrying around a gun. Are you going to use your fist first or are you going to use your gun first? Even with a switch blade, you mean to tell me that you wouldn’t run first? No, a gun breeds trouble. It is quick and powerful and deadly. I have a problem in general with people being allowed to walk around with concealed weapons. There is no reason for it.

        • Caballeroso

          “But the problem lies in carrying around a gun. Are you going to use your fist first or are you going to use your gun first?”

          As a license holder for concealed carry, I will first avoid the situation if possible, second smile, walk away, and say have a nice day if possible, third engage with equal force as threatened with if necessary, fourth brandish firearm with hopes to de-escalate the situation (if possible), or, as a last resort, exercise the use of deadly force in defense of my life or the lives of others if necessary. As a concealed handgun licensee, we are held to a higher standard which is why Zimmy should have known better and should be prosecuted…and once incarcerated, prostituted.

          • Mena

            See, i think that most would use their gun first without hesitation. I just don’t believe in most people’s ability to be logical. I get everyone saying to be logical and use common sense but those two things go out the window when your emotions become involved.

        • Caballeroso

          “I have a problem in general with people being allowed to walk around with concealed weapons. There is no reason for it.”

          Certainly your right to feel this way, but rest assured that I do not care to live in a society where criminals are the only ones allowed to use deadly force. The laws that criminals abide by (the ones they choose to obey) will let them carry- the fact that they are even criminals shows their regard for law. If criminals are armed and no one else can carry…who’s going to win that one? I deserve at least a chance to save my life. And please don’t say the police will handle it, because when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

          • Mena

            I understand. I see your point. I have had this argument time and time again. Never has someone ever put the point to me like this which i commend you for. However, it still bothers me, for some reason, that people are walking around carrying guns. I don’t think that this fear of mine will ever go away. I fear not only guns but the people who feel the need to carry them everywhere they go.

            • Caballeroso

              If you were in Houston I’d offer to take you to the firing range. Most people fear the unknown, but once you have become familiar with this tool of life preservation, a lot of that fear would be assuaged.

              Here’s what I fear:
              Being in a Columbine/Virginia Tech situation where only the assailant is armed. Imagine how many lives may have been saved had someone been able to shoot back after the first victim was killed.

              I also fear:
              Entering my home to find a loved one tied up and held at gun point…only to soon find myself in the same situation because I wasn’t allowed to carry while away from home and now my guns are now his guns because he found them there at the house where I was forced to leave them by not being able to carry.

              I know that being armed does not guarantee that I’ll come out on top in either scenario, but I like my chances…especially when compared to my chances while not being armed.

  • elle

    The entire situation is sad. Actually it’s not even just sad, it’s disgusting.

    Zimmerman was told NOT to follow him. Zimmerman was the one with the gun. And since when does a neighborhood watch person CARRY A GUN? Even IF Trayvon said/did something, in what world do we live in where it is logical reasoning to SHOOT AND KILL an unarmed kid? And screw Florida with that ridiculous azz law of theirs.

    • http://pervertedalchemist.blogspot.com/ Perverted Alchemist

      “Zimmerman was told NOT to follow him. Zimmerman was the one with the gun.”
      Yes, that’s true.

      ” And since when does a neighborhood watch person CARRY A GUN?”
      Some of them do, some of them don’t. It all depends on the location and if the neighborhood is a high crime area.

      “Even IF Trayvon said/did something, in what world do we live in where it is logical reasoning to SHOOT AND KILL an unarmed kid? And screw Florida with that ridiculous azz law of theirs”

      Uh…the South, maybe?

  • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

    Speaking of being wrong about Trayvon – Geraldo apologized to his parents about the ‘hoodie’ comment on his show.

    • http://pervertedalchemist.blogspot.com/ Perverted Alchemist

      The sad part is that he decided to offer a sincere apology only after he was face to face with them. His prior “apology” didn’t exactly scream sympathy.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        i listened to his apologies as well, and i don’t doubt his sincerity.

  • LMNOP

    The first part of this post was interesting, but after I read the “what if we were wrong about Trayvon Martin?” part, the whole thing went from “good” to “f*ck that sh t.”

    • Iceprincess

      My sentiments exactly. I dont wish to entertain any “what ifs” in this matter. Arrest zimmerman. Thats what you can do. Other than that, the whole investigation gets a big #hoesitdown.

    • Iceprincess

      My sentiments exactly. I dont wish to entertain any “what ifs” in this matter. Arrest zimmerman. Thats what you can do. Other than that, the whole investigation gets a big #hoesitdown.

    • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

      I think the post was asking how you would feel about the protests and the activity of the people not involved in the case, not about the case itself. Would you still feel energized and inspired or would you feel like it was a waste of time?

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “…but after I read the “what if we were wrong about Trayvon Martin?” part, the whole thing went from “good” to “f*ck that sh t.”

      why?

      • http://wildcougarconfessions.com Wild Cougar

        Because the point is? To allow the insidious nature of institutional racism to take over with innocent sounding hypotheticals? I really hate to say this, but Champ, you are a pro at putting out insidious and subtly abusive notions. Then washing your hands of it by repeating “all I was saying was (insert innocent supposition here). Throw a rock and hide your hand. For what purpose? To salt a wound?

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          the point is, as I stated in the relationship-centric introduction, is to see if there would be a difference in how we feel about the movement if we found out that we may have been wrong about the event that sparked the movement. what’s insidious about presenting a hypothetical?

          • JessicaL

            I guess my reasoning would be to ask you does it hurt or hinder the cause? Why do the what ifs matter? Even if Trayvon was the aggressor, the real fact is that the law was carried out incorrectly.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              “Why do the what ifs matter?”

              In the grand scheme of things, they don’t. It’s just a one day exercise. Nothing else.

              • http://wildcougarconfessions.com Wild Cougar

                Irresponsible