“Actually, I wanted them to play Rick Ross’s “Hold Me Backâ€â€¦..lol”
I break into a rendition of this song every so often combined with a little mosh pit-like jump dance. It’s the little things in life that make it great.
I had that same feeling, but I knew we didn’t even need Ohio cause we were gonna win VA too. But I just thought it made him look more like a sore loser.
My students can finally leave me alone now that they know Obama won. Also, Korea can continue to make cheap Obama merch and the love affair the rest of the world has with him will continue*
I watched Fox News tonight to see the other side’s perspective. I think former gov Mike Huckabee said it best when he pretty much summed up the Republican party being a party of white men. If the Republican party wants to be taken seriously in 2014 and 2016, they need to bring in more minorities into their party. If that doesn’t happen, the Republican party as you know it will be a distant memory within 20 years like the Whig party.
One more thing: If you think the civil war was about slavery, you’re sorely mistaken. It was about what all wars ALL wars are ALWAYS about: money! So don’t get it twisted. The South wanted to break off & be a seperate country. The North wasn’t having it. So they cut off their legs (freed the slaves). It was a strategy move, nothing else, plain & simple. The south would’ve became vastly more rich & powerful than the north. They had all that free labor! They weren’t playing fair, so the North shut they azz down. All those stories about freeing the skaves because it was the right thing to do blah blah, were just invented to make folks feel warm & fuzzy. Smoke & mirrors by the government as usual.
It’s like this: you and I start a huge farm together. It belongs to both of us, we share the profits, but you oversee the wildly profitable egg business on the southside of the property. One day you start feeling yourself, talkin bout you hone take the chickens and start your own competing egg company. So I kick down the gate and free all the chickens. I’m like, “he’llll no! Either we both gonna profit from these chickens, or nobody is!!” And that, my friends, was the civil war in a nutshell.
Yep, and Abe Lincoln was a serious racist too. Some people have tried to re-write history to make it seem as though he really cared how African Americans were treated.
Why are my comments going in the wrong place? Am I that sleepy?
He’ll yea Val. I tell folks bieve none of what you hear, half of what you see, and some of what you read. Game recognize game!
The thing is that history has made Abe Lincoln into a lefty hero and Robert E. Lee this reactionary. Truth be told, Abe Lincoln was more-or-less the Blue Dog of his era. While the Free Soil movement he came up in was center-left, especially as killin’ the injuns was a bit of a welfare program of sorts for poor whites, he supported the African Colonization Society and for a large chunk of the Civil War strongly supported sending slaves off to Liberia. On the flip side, Robert E. Lee opposed slavery, as he saw how slavery warped the political system of the South and disenfranchised the poor White farmers therein. Not only did the 3/5ths rule make it so slaveholders effectively controlled the legislature, but certain rights were only available to slaveholders. Therefore, someone could be reasonably anti-slavery and horribly racist at the same time.
William Sherman was another weirdo. By all accounts Barn-burning Bill was a white supremacist but hated the institution of slavery. Odd times.
This was supposed to be in response to Todd.
Oh, and the South was dead broke. The only reason the South did well pre-Independence was due to colonial subsidies. Though there are some serious discussion at the time to extend slavery to poor Whites, as it was believed by some that the paternalistic relationship in the idealized Peculiar Institution would actually improve worker conditions more than in the early industrial capitalism at the time.
It was about money alright- in Free Slave Labor that made the South Wealthy, so YES, it WAS about Slavery as well. I have 3 ancestors who fought in that war, 2 as Free Men under the Union and 1 unfortunately under the Confederacy that was duped to do so for ‘Confederate President Davis” in exchange for him and his family to be “free” and own his own 2-acre piece of farmland NEXT to Massa’s 300-acre Plantation……
I get that you don’t wanna seem ignorant and cocky, but Please NEVER say dumb stuff again. I didn’t expect a Revisionsit History bit on VSB
Whatever I said to offend you, my apologies. As far as your ancestors, they were veterans and are celebrated every year on that holiday, as they deserve to be.
I’m thinking that Marshall was directing that at “Boo”.
@Iceprincess2
The main right in contention during the Late Unpleasantness was in fact slavery. (States’ Rights is a p.c. line of reasoning used by Neo-Confederates who can’t quite come to grips with the nations history. Hell half of the GOP sad motives rest on “states’ rights” today also.) To southerners at the time and the slaves themselves it was ALL ABOUT slavery. To some senator from Maine it could have been about preserving the Union. When Abe was elected the CSA starting with SC violated one of the fundamental rules of American government: You respect the will of the majority to govern. (You don’t take your ball and go home, you just wait until the next election.) Fearing that majority, those in the dirty who did not love blacks decided to bounce to maintain their perverse way of life.
The freeing of slaves was a strategic move. If my enemy is dead broke he can’t fight (Not well anyway.) The south’s economy paled in comparison to that of the North. The North was industrialized, had more ports, capital, and railroads. The South’s economy hinged on farming and ancillary business dealing with farming. The notion of slavery was also cost ineffective. There were no long-term benefits to free labor after the importing of men was made illegal. If I own a man he is essentially my capital good. If he breaks I have to spend my money to fix him, feed him, pay taxes on him, and take care of his family. The south’s economy hemoraged money because they did not realize that if they would pay people then that person’s upkeep rested with the employee not the employer. Slavery is a foolish way to conduct business but the southern planter class and their notions of superiority could not let them see that. They even fooled the bulk of their dirt poor neighbors into thinking the same thing.
So too many above the Mason-Dixon it wasn’t about slavery but trust that to everybody below it that war was ONLY about slavery.
The South would have eventually fell apart had The Civil War not occurred. The North had the industrialization advantage, and a demographic and technology bomb would have eventually gone off. Plantation farming wasn’t going to remain a good business going forward.
” If the Republican party wants to be taken seriously in 2014 and 2016, they need to bring in more minorities into their party”
you’re so on point. The Republican party is stuck & perceived as a party that will service their own before reaching out to others less fortunate. I usuallly side with the conservative side (just because of my own personal morals & whatnot)… but I have such a difficult time with the Republican party not being about my people. As much as I dislike alot of things Obama stands for, I find comfort in the fact that the house balances him out on some of his policies I disagree with…..so I honestly can’t say I’m angry he won. Congrats Democrats
LOL, thanks for the song- cuz I be feeling like the odd one out when I visit VSB sometimes– a lot of my view points are sooooooo different. but it’s cool, *taking it all in stride*
Trust me, you’re not the only one. I disagree with a lot of the opinions on the table at the moment, but I know what we have is what we have. We can’t go around pretending the perfect solution to make everyone happy exists, because it doesn’t. What we can do is build on what we have, and see in due time if people will accept new views and change the old ones.
Val I agree !!!!!!!!!Like Romney get with the program. I have an afternoon meeting with a client and I need to hear Obama’s acceptance speech before then or else my concentration will be short. I wish our own elections were as transparent as this one was
Val I agree !!!!!!!!!Like Romney get with the program. I have an afternoon meeting with a client and I need to hear Obama’s acceptance speech before then or else my concentration will be short. I wish our own elections were as transparent as this one was
Someone on my sister’s facebook page said Mitt Romney didn’t even write a concession speech lol he thought he had it in the bag. He had to make it up as he went along lol.
OMG Even the other pundits are exasperated with him… GIVE IT UP KARL!
Maybe hes worried about all the money he collected..donors might be asking for it back lol
This country’s goin to hell, black president lettin the gays marry, the illegals get benefits and the damn hippies get pot! What is left for the good white Christian men who founded this country?!
not sure, but I think by Val saying “it’s yet to be seen if it means ‘we’ won” she was coming from the Tavis Smiley/ Cornell West perspective of “does the president really have genuine love for black people?” lol. We’ll see……he’s got 4 more yrs to prove it.
Yep, that’s what I meant, except I would like to publicly distance myself from Dr West and that Tavis guy. They went off the rails right after the 08 election.
LOL @ you distancing yourself from the two. A lot of people feel they went off the deep end, but I think it was cool for them to go against the grain & question what contribution America’s first black president has made to the black community. But your clear public rejection of them has been duly noted lol.
Well I don’t understand what both of them expected. Actually, I don’t get what Black America expected. They suffer from too many pipe dreams. Black America is a small minority to pay attention in accordance to wordly problems, and if your goal is to make the world accept you, the Black America takes the back row until that happens.
Whoa!, you sure you wanna tell black america they need to take a back row – Isn’t that why the Republican party lost?
Obama clearly targeted the African American community for votes meaning Black America is not that small of a community & he knows this (we’re probably much bigger than the 12% the media would like to make us think we are, but that’s another topic for another day).
For me it’s the same as when that one dude from your hood “makes it” & comes back to the hood & opens a community center or a library or a Magic Johnson Movie Theatre. I don’t think It’s wrong for black people to expect Obama to pour back into the community that staunchly supports him.
Yeah, it’s estimated that if black people were a country, they’d have a top-20 GDP. Collectively, black people having a spending power that is estimated to reach $1.1trillion by 2015. That’s not a population that I’m gonna neglect when my economy needs every dollar it can get on its way to being prosperous again.
this is my thing though, wanting such things for your community is awesome but at the same time what is that community doing for itself? what rewind said was profound. the president of the united states has GLOBAL issues to think about and a COUNTRY to provide for. his mind is dedicated to THAT scale of community. its up to the black community to move it forward because that is our role in the progress of our people. the president is a leader and should be followed through action…..he isnt some personal fix it guy where all you have to do is support him with votes and cheers.
The President manipulated a base. That’s nothing new at all. Every politician does it,b ecause they need favors. I’m not mad at him. Hell I voted for him knowing that, so I should be ok with it. But it won’t change that me and my life are so microscopic on the scale of global issues that Obama as a President has to deal with. I’m glad he does care about Black America, but it will never be to the satisfaction of Black America, and that’s my point. Because Black America expects way too fawking much, and honestly that’s not Barack’s responsibility. He did his part. He set the bar for us. He’s shown he’s strong, and he put some legistlation into existence that help us. But the big steps are ours, not his.
“He did his part… he put some legistlation into existence that help us.”
One key thing to keep in mind is that he’s been serving (or has hinted that he will be serving) the respective agendas of other minorities (hispanics, lgbt, etc.) so the minority that he’s tied to closest is wondering what he’s going to do for them.
I don’t have a problem with holding the President accountable to the African American community, I just think that Dr West and Tavis have questionable motives. Also, Tavis has some dubious corporate ties.
Yep, we did! Republicans are ANGRY. Oh, well, they’ll get over it. I would have had to seriously turn militant if Romney had been elected. Thank God we can keep moving forward! And, the Senate is Democrat too?! Folks are really sending a clear message to the Republicans.
So far it’s the more conservative parts of the State that have reported. So there is still a chance for prop. 30. And, I’m hoping that prop. 37 can still pull it out. I mean why would anyone vote against food labelling?!
The organic industry can’t get market share on their own, so they attempted to use the government to do their marketing and fear-mongering for them.
The new regulation would have forced food producers to buy food from them lest draw the ire of a poorly informed consumer. The prop would have been a windfall for Big Organic who can no longer compete on price and efficiency with the rest of Big Ag.
GMO is the climate change of The Left, and shows that on both sides of the political spectrum there are groups that will ignore science when it doesn’t suit their agenda.
Wow, you are so amazingly uninformed and wrong. Lol. Actually, Dow Chemical and Monsanto paid for no on 37 campaign. They obviously have a vested interest in continuing to sell GMO seeds and other chemical products to farmers. They make billions each year off of GMO’s. They were afraid that this labelling would catch on nationally, like it has in dozens of countries around the world.
And it only lost because the middle of California is corporate farm country. So those people and others in the area who have ties to farming voted against.
You do know those dreaded corporate interests who would benefit from the proposition they wrote spent money on the pro-campaign as well. The organic industry wrote the measure and bankrolled by raising $7M for the prop 37 campaign. When it comes to GMOs, The “Food Movement”, which is really the marketing arm of corporations like Whole Foods, will out and out lie to the public, stoke fears, and peddle ignorance. Prop 37 would have had a deleterious effect on The Green Revolution and passed the costs on to people least able to afford the increase in food costs.
Wow, Dash. Do you work for Monsanto? Lol. Yikes, you really bought the corporate line didn’t you. And you failed to mention how much money Dow and Monsanto gave to no on 37; they gave over 47 million dollars.
lol. Puerto Rico is just aiming to be the 51st state love. They need to pass House and Senate. Obama is already on record about signing signing Puerto Rico as the 51st state if it came to him.
Doubt it will happen, because Puerto Rico wants to maintain Spanish as the de facto language, and previously the US has only offered statehood with a transition to English (in the courts, documents, and such).
I’m so glad he won and I’m so glad this is over…And I am proud of Tammy “Damn Right” Baldwin for winning the WI senator seat as the first openly gay woman in the WI senate…
LOL to your slogan. I like it! Am glad to wake up in the UK and find that Obama was given another four years, although it has been a very tight race. His achievement is extraordinary considering the state of the ecnomomy and the crises that he has had to deal with. This guy will need to overdose on the hair dye to deal with the grey hairs that will come out by the end of this second term
Thank you! Chile, POTUS needed just for men about two years ago lol…
I hope that he comes out swinging and getting gully with it…damn the GOP and the Democrats…do what’s best for the COUNTRY…he has good ideas be he wants too bipartisan…man regulate some ish…
We were worried for a minute because it looked like Tommy was going to take it…but she came through. And after this whol Gov Walker debacle….we needed some new blood in WI and she’s a big backer of teachers and schools.
Colorado is a swing State, which the President just won, so I think the Feds will give them some latitude on this so as not to piss off the electorate.
They can’t, Colorado will cite the 10th Amendment and pointto the election,s and then the State Supreme Court will make a deal with the Fed and everyone else as far as how the Commerce Clause will be amended/bent/
twisted so that native Colorado residents do not get penalized, and THAT will lead to other states putting Marijuana on THEIR ballots in the Midterm Elections…..
Everybody will (try) to win this way, and in THIS instance States Rights isa GREAT THING
Cool. And shouts out to my HS teachers who moved out there (one of them is originally from there) and who won’t have to reschedule their wedding! Now to check out those new etiquette books on gay marriage. No point in being a jerk and not sending a gift.
My point; you really don’t have to do anything that different, except maybe giving hers & hers towels instead of hers & his. Otherwise just give based on how you feel about the couple.
We, the American People Won tonight; hopefully the GOP and dumbass Tea Party will Get in Line and do the work of the American People and STOP the Obstruction and Dividing in Congress
And what? Let Barack do whatever he wants? I’m afraid of that. We need a decent opposition, if only to check the worse impulses of power. I’m afraid of the dumber impulses of the Democratic party, like the junk food banners and whackadoodle enviromentalists getting in his ear.
The more militant ones want to use the government to make people live in accordance to their dictates. Instead of working with people to maintain the environment, they’d rather use the government to shut down stuff.
Plus, there was the fact that in college a lot of them thought I was a bad person for choosing Biotech as a major. Wait, studying science to try to help people means I’ll end up not only being Monsanto’s wh0re, but I’ll somehow ruin the environment, which can only be saved by being organic, being “natural” and, oh yeah, forcing people to give up cars and electricity and herding people into narrow patches of land while the rest are reserved for Mother Nature ™.
Thank you for saying this Todd. No party should have total control. To say any party gets it “right” all the time about everything is Incredibly optimistic.
Not so fast Todd, Entitled white people have no politics. They will support anyone who will give them what they need. Remember when you write the biggest check you get the biggest say.
Funny you should ask. Is it wrong that I was sitting here thinking “Great! 4 more years, but who da hale we gonna vote for after that?!” I’m saying, folks need to begin to think about that! Okay, we’ll wait until after the party, but seriously… who?
Joe’s going to be too old in 2016. I think he will be 73 or 74. I could see Hilary going at it again. Giving that she probably won’t be Sec. of State in January 2013
I think a guys like Deval Patrick, Andrew Cuomo, one of those Castro guys from the DNC convention would have the best chance. Heck, Elizabeth Warren could have a good chance in the primary.
Yeah, Cuomo has a chance. I doubt Patrick has a chance immediately following Obama.
Whoever the Democratic Nom is going to be I think they’ll be going up against Jeb Bush. He’s been positioning himself for a while now. I think his people probably told him it was too soon following his dumbazz brother.
i like mitt romney and i like conservatives. i liked the thought of america having a wrench thrown into its oc condition. i like the thought of gay marraige being contested. i like the thought of expecting young adults to take life more seriously. i like the thought of someone who doesnt dilute their principles simply because majority of the nation doesnt have any. i like the thought of america with disclipine and boundaries, a devils advocate for president. much like i want the aliens to win in every movie, i wanted the chill of mitt romney winning the presidency.
obamas a good man so good for him. anyone with that much charisma and idealism and effectiveness deserves four more years.
oh! lol @ the team america reference. i LOVE that movie. i had a chest cold when i saw it theatres…..i literally almost died laughing. hardest ive ever laughed, ever. top 20 fav. movies.
Totally off topic, but I have a question for the Pittsburgians. I have been offered an internship in Aliquippa, Pa. What is the proximity to Pittsburgh? To be in Pittsburgh for the summer would be dope. Would a whip be necessary? I googled mapped it, but I need recon from the locals. Can someone help out a VSH (very smart hermano).
muy amable,
Njnear
LOVE IT. LOVE IT! I watched the mutha-f*kers steal Ohio in 2004. Worked on the campaign. Took it hard. So glad my home state got in done in 2008 and 2012.
man…this speech. obama is the kind of man who even if were on opposite sides i still have no problem conceding to and supporting him. beautiful winner he is. even IM slightly choked up.
When a president is elected we are supposed to be look forward with the promise that lies ahead. Well, I’m not excited at all. I’m sad, empty and disappointed. Not that Obama gained a second term, though. It’s the ignorance, fear mongering, hate speech, disrespect, misinformation and uncivil behavior from everyone involved in this process (democrat and republican) that has my head hung low tonight. We are still a divided country. No president or election will ever change that. We are in tribal camps separated by wealth, class, race, power, gender and political affiliation. These election exposes the ugly side in most. And unfortunately that side is more than likely our true side. We are not united and will never be. This reality makes my heart ache. I see no winners here.
[*pulls you into my bossom and rubs your back*] thats how i feel about life in general. not just sometimes, not just on election day, i feel that way all the time. the state of the nation as people relate to one another weighs heavy on me and i wish i had something uplifting to say but i dont. we learn to coexist and we find comfort in those around us. the truth is no one truly wants to see things from the other side and the chasm that creates is just the reality. nobody wants to validate one another for fear of being weaker and until its learned as a people its easier to move forward genuinely accepting the other side, well be constantly lodged in debates, arguments, and complacency.
I find comfort in an Obama win but was his win ever really in jeopardy? In my life time the dude that raises the most money always wins. Cash rules. But I think you hit the nail on the head. This divide will make for bigger problems than I think people are ready for as we prepare for inauguration parties. And the GOP is the more strategic party and they know that fear is a powerful tool in a divided nation.
I’m not sure that we never will be “united”. They Gay marriage wins are encouraging. But it’s going to take a lot more struggle, sweat and pain than electing the coolest candidate every four years.
I find comfort in an Obama win but was his win ever really in jeopardy? In my life time the dude that raises the most money always wins. Cash rules. But I think you hit the nail on the head.
Mitt romney out fundraised Obama. so that sentiment is correct that the most money usually wins. the fact that it didnt in this case….
This country has always been divided, and if that fact hasn’t changed in nearly 300 years, then there isn’t much solace in hoping for that change to happen now. HOWEVER…you are extremely lucky. You are part of a youthful generation that has no choice but to clean up the sins of our forefathers and generations before us. You are part of a generation that has rejected most of the ignorance and stupidity of the past by using reason and logic to realize what does and what does not concern you. So fear not, because when these old geezers die out and get out the way…you might actually see your dream come true.
It’s hard to be united when the day after Obama won the first time the senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell said the Republicans would do anything and everything to make him a 1 term president. It’s hard to be united when people are convinced you are a Muslim, Atheist yet also Rev. Wright-loving Black Panther who hates America is friends with terrorists and wants to take away everyones guns.
Stop this false equivalence.
Healthcare reform is a bipartisan plan. The whole thing was created by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank which gave that idea to Bob Dole.
Obama is a centrist. Believe that. He has bent over backward trying to embrace the Republicans over and over… but they never were having any of it like spoiled toddlers.
Their idea of religious freedom is the right to impose their religion on others. It’s totally backwards and crazy.
He did, but the fact that so many people voted for Romney and it wasn’t a landslide…at one point, Obama was losing both the electoral college and popular votes. My heart was beating so fast. It was like, “oh my God. The hatred is so real he won’t have a job anymore.”
They said on the news this happened in Miami-Dade but the newscaster said this was word-of-mouth. I’m not buying it until I see a time-stamped photo.
What I want to know is whether what people on FB were saying is true- people who post pictures of their ballots on the Internet (why they did it, I don’t know) would have their ballots voided? This doesn’t even seem possible…
Never really heard that term before, I’ll have to look into it. We have two major parties here: Labor and Liberal. Labor would be similar to Democratic and Liberal like Rebublican.
if romney wouldve won my face wouldve gotten cold, id stare at the ground, i wouldve glazed over and i wouldve been…..’its go time.’ it wouldve been a moment of clarity for me to realize my name was called to lead something great. i actually am glad he lost because now i dont have to back up my mouth on a national scale. other people have to show what they can do with their candidate in office whilst i just sit back and watch cuz had romney won? best believe i wouldve stayed in warrior mode. obama allows me vacation time after a lifetime of working my a*s off.
Don’t mind me, I’m the bitter libertarian. Prepare for some hot fire.
I worked the election yesterday. Actually, I got out just 15 minutes ago because my site supervisor decided to hold me hostage because…I never got that story. Just don’t be surprised if I end up on the news thanks to me suing the city. No joke.
Anyway, the people at the election scared me. No one talked about the issues. No one. No discussion, no rationale, nothing. I heard more about the Illuminati than the issues. And that scares me. Look, I knew objectively that a lot of politics is built around people voting on their traditions, their social ties, and their emotions like fear and hope. To the extent that I saw it today scares me away from voting. I thought I was voting for the person with the best policies for America. Oh Lord I was wrong. If I was voting for those three reason above, I could have pulled the lever (or more accurately filled out the Scantron) for Barack Obama. I would have done so proudly and with a smile on my face.
But I voted for President of the United State of America, not the Coolest Dude that can Hang Out in the White House.
Now let me make myself clear, to steal a phrase from the president. I wouldn’t have voted for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. His corporatist pro-big business approach and regressive social stances wouldn’t have just ruined America. They would have salted the ground for anything worthwhile towards actual freedom and led to someone far worse than any of the jerks running tonight. During my hostage situation at the election, I even said that Barack and Mitt could go fcuk themselves…and that’s being too nice. They are objectively bad for America.
More importantly, the fact that social ties matter more than actual policies, the fact that policy support is often little more than a post-hoc justification, scares me. I’m not sure I’m cut out for voting in an election anymore. Apparently, no one ever told me what the scoop was, and I hate what it is now that I truly understand.
The way our political system is set-up, the politicians are a reflection of the people. Politicians make it sound like it’s the other way round of course, because they love to think that they are like our parents. Motherly democrats and Fatherly Republicans.
But when you have a population that approaches politics in a child-like manner (some suggests that this in inevitable given out ADD culture and our non-critical thinking educational system) why are the politicians not going to think that way. It’s kind of inevitable you know, in a garbage in, garbage out kind of way.
To be fair, I’m happy Obama got elected, just like I’m happy to see a kid who gets straight-As get an XBOX 360 for his hard work during the semester. Truth is, Obama supporters/activists worked hard to get him back in office since he had less money than Romney did. However, just like the kid who got an XBOX because he worked hard – people who support Obama have also decided to buy once again into the distraction that is Obama. The hunger and vigilance that liberals and black people had under Bush towards the pursuit of civil liberty and justice, will unfortunately, continue to fade into non-existence under Obama.
“The hunger and vigilance that liberals and black people had under Bush towards the pursuit of civil liberty and justice, will unfortunately, continue to fade into non-existence under Obama.”
This is the reason I’m sad man. I definitely didn’t want Mitt to win, but I knew that if he did people would feel the necessary sense of urgency and actually start organizing and being active. They’d fight and attack the real issues head on because the threat would be a lot more obvious to them, but now I just expect them to chill and spend more time making excuses for why things aren’t changing much despite Obama bein in office rather than working to change what we as citizens can change smh. I’m glad to see him back in office though, mainly so I can heckle Republicans and laugh at their “We’re becoming a socialist welfare state” rhetoric. I’d be lying if I said I was rejoicing last night though. What e-mail address do you check BM? I wanna drop u a line later this week if u don’t mind
“The hunger and vigilance that liberals and black people had under Bush towards the pursuit of civil liberty and justice, will unfortunately, continue to fade into non-existence under Obama.â€
People have short memories. And what I remember about 4 years ago is not that my president could have been black – which did matter – but that people – black, white, latino, etc – had had enough and were ready to mobilize (whatever that could mean) IF McCain was elected. How do you capture that spirit and hunger while still allowing folks to have their dreams of either being Mrs. Obama or playing ball with Mr. Obama?
C’mon Todd, have some optimism. With the rise of the internet and people gettin info from blogs, social networking sites, and entertaining intellectuals it’s certainly possible. Don’t underestimate our power as people
Todd….what do you expect? I mean seriously? You’re American. You live in America. Where does this idea that logic and reason is what dictates the future of this country instead of emotional impulses? Because I’ve never seen it and I never expected much. I stood on a line for an hour surrounded by cranky ass Bajans, Trinidadians, & Jamacians, and not one of them said anything relevant to America’s true problems, just their own. But I never expected much nor did I before. Because that’s how people are. Only a chosen few out of millions have insight to the real issues.
As an interesting aside, I had a few voters openly compare this election to ones in the Islands directly to me, with the 1980 Jamaica General Election. For those who don’t know their West Indian history, it was an, um, interesting contest.
I feel you and all, but at the end of the day, this is the system that we have. Not voting accomplishes nothing either.
While neither of them are possibly great for America, neither are most politicans that come into office. But the system is what it is for the time being until it changes. So complaining abou twhy other people voted doesn’t help even if I understand the complaint.
woah. well hey, i will fully support you suing, i hope you do and give em h*ll.
i personally thought of mitt romney as a muzzle for america and i liked that about him. i personally thought of obama as inclusive and best suited to smooth over modern issues, i respect that about him. i also have a tendency to vote for libertarian candidates because i feel like ‘hey! give this small voiced guy a chance at it!’ but i can see where youre coming from seeing options and personally knowing none are best. maybe you should find a candidate you can support and educate people on what the difference would be for america.
I did vote my conscience and picked Gary Johnson. Probably was the only guy at my polling site to do so, but I made sure to do so. Heck, I know Mitt Romney even got a *few* votes there because I saw the printouts from the scanners. (If I were to guess, it came from the handful of White people assigned to my polling site, not to mention the convent a few blocks down the street.) It did feel lonely as hell though voting my conscience, when I literally had people sit next to me at the information table in the chaos, show me their ballots and ask me how to vote for Barack Obama.
Then you end up being another crybaby on the sidelines. Even if you don’t get what you want, you find something remotely close to what you do want. At least then, whoever it is, you can build on what they offer and keep pushing to see if someone else better can come in the fold. But if you don’t do anything at all, all the political conversations in the world won’t change the fact that you created the situation you have to deal with. Don’t be like that.
I don’t like voting either nor have I liked my choices, but I’m not stupid. There’s a silver lining in everything.
A crybaby would mean that I am actually complaining. I’m not. I accept that Americans feel they cannot change the system and have become too disillusioned to actually demand real change, and let things be. Ain’t no crying on my end.
Good morning panama, everyone,
I am inclined to agree with secret sauces observations a bit upthread-this is quite the pyhrric victory tonight. We have to keep in mind the fact that not only does the gop retain firm control of the house-home of the third most powerful person in elected govt-but that the dems only have a narrow control of the senate. This means that obama will have considerable difficulty getting his agenda passed. The gop is likely to block most of his key items on the agenda.
But the real story of this election, is something that has been in fact predicted more than a decade ago, by queens college professor andrew hacker, in his book “mismatch”-the growing, and for all intents, intractable cultural/political divide, between white men and white women. Everyone else-blacks, hispanics, gays/lesbians (val), etc et al-are only, at best, bit players in this national showdown between the people who most matter to the very existence of this land: white men and women.
In so many ways, the usa has reached a critical tipping point-white marriage rates are at modern era all time lows; the same can be said for white birthrates. And of those births that do occur in white america, a higher proportion than ever are to never married, single (white) mothers. This can and will have grave implications for the country moving forward.
Politically, white men and white women couldnt be farther apart on key issues. The gop is for all intents, the white guy party; while the dems are for all intents, the single white female party. White single women in particular, have made it clear that they do not wish to revisit a “mad men” kind of world; while white men have also made it clear that they dont cotton to notions of mealymouthed metrosexuality.
I predict that this yawning divide will continue to widen, exacerbated by ongoing and chronic anemic economic conditions; fewer and fewer white couples will marry, have kids and raise them within that context; and all the familiar pathologies that flow therefrom will be the result.
There are very real questions as to whether the usa can continue as a first world nation while such a state of affairs persists; and since this is a forum largely of, by and for black folks, heres a really fun question for ya:
Have we-african americans-given any thought to what life will be like, when whitey is no longer around? And if so, have we considered the possibility, that it may not be all that we might have imagined-that it could indeed be, quite a bit worse?
i wish white america WOULD fall. black people need to not reduce the occurance to a party though and instead focus on the opportunities and implications. if we had clear objectives wed be alright. if we had consensus wed be alright. if we chose solutions and worked towards them, each portion doing its best in its role, instead of going at each others throats to be crowned right, wed be alright. theres no leadership or organization to meet one common goal or even a list of goals. ignoring the fact that we have a black president, on a level of making things happen for ourselves as a people, there is no desire to get organized and mobilized. black people are ill equipped and small thinking and unorganized. quiet and silent when a gauntlet is present yet cheering for generic victories. black america isnt prepared to lead itself or even follow a leader to better days.
sounds like shots fired but thats just how i feel as a person in this country. we can live it up, have a good time, do whats easy every step of the way but we can not, as a people, elevate ourselves. too much of a struggle for the modern black person.
word. i do get mad nervous saying stuff like that. its something akin to stage fright/nervous anticipation but i still hope for the opportunity for my people to run away with possibilities.
Also, it would behoove you to consider Eugene Robinson’s excellent work “Disintergration”, which lays out why “the Black Community” is at best, a quaint, polite fiction. This explains why we don’t, and won’t, have an “agenda” and why the only time we all pull together is when some outside external force(s) whips up on us.
Welcome to the future – and it won’t be a pretty one…
We will never have none of that shyte. And it will be our fault completely. Yes, White America has severely damaged us as group in America to the point of crippling us. But even crippled people have to go to work, take care of their health, and make important choices for the future. So what’s our excuse after all this time?
I have little to no faith in Black America, but I do have faith in the youth of America. Despite how stupid we can be when distracted, if you give us room, we do take it upon ourselves to figure things out, instead of waiting for someone to tell us what to do. And hopefully with that initiative, we all might get steered into the right lane.
“I have little to no faith in Black America, but I do have faith in the youth of America. ”
I’m all about the youth. It’s the business I am in. But if the comments on youtube clips tell me anything it is that the youngest of us are not doing better at handling the old issues, just better at chucking the deuces and blaming it on hating.
omg YES. i dont have much faith in our youth either seeing as how theyre being raised and influenced by the “yolo/16 and pregnant” generation. i more so just attempt to convince myself exceptions do exist but for the most part i just feel sad and empty and drained. nothings going to become of us. the youth suffer for it if anything.
For the youth, we are spoiled. Technology has rotted our brains to the point of no return, so there’s no wonder as to why we do so many stupid things. However, the fortunate thing about being young TODAY is how badly our bubbles are being burst. We aren’t given a chance to soak in the idea that we are totally fawked, that shyte is here and there’s nothing we can do about it. Sure, there are plenty of spoiled kids, both rich and poor, who still don’t understand what’s going on around them. But one thing any young person hates more than anything else is to be left behind.
@Mr. Rewind:
You’re kidding me, right? Uh, ever heard of a little crime drama called The Wire? That was all about “the youf” being left behind – in just about every way imaginable. Indeed, in so many ways, today’s youth are screwed in ways unfathomable just a generation ago – and we have the stats and data to back it up.
A bunch of kids in the projects with no access to a damn thing is a far cry from well to do children with technology at their hands. If you raise your kids like you don’t give a fawk, hell yea they won’t be shyte..but you know what? Even the hood kids get tired of being hood at some point. Not all but some. And that number keeps growing.
Interesting you mentioned marriage and White people, as the polling indicates that single Whites (both male and female) skewed away from the GOP, while the reverse is true for married Whites.
Personally, I welcome our new colored overlords. Perhaps we can have an open discussion of political ideas in our community instead of merely clientelism and machine politics. I’m not exactly holding my breath though.
@Todd:
“Interesting you mentioned marriage and White people, as the polling indicates that single Whites (both male and female) skewed away from the GOP, while the reverse is true for married Whites.”
O: Yes, this is true; however, it is quite clear that single White Women voted overwhelmingly for the Dems; single White guys? Much less so.
“Personally, I welcome our new colored overlords. Perhaps we can have an open discussion of political ideas in our community instead of merely clientelism and machine politics. I’m not exactly holding my breath though.”
O: What evidence can any of us provide that said “new colored overlords” even have any regard for African Americans? For example, take the East Indian community – important here, because they are making political in-roads in ways that African Americans have yet to do (there are currently twice as many Indian governors as Black, and in solidly Red States at that) – where’s the evidence that the East Indian community shares Black political views and visions?
Want another example? How about the burgeoning Hispanic community in the country – we have documented evidence that they don’t necessarily get along with Black folks out in say, Cali for example. Where’s the Kumbaya singing? Please explain?
Another example – Asians. Blacks and Asians have long had a very tenuous, to put it mildly, relationship (think “Do The Right Thing”). With the sons and daughters of Asian merchants now primed to take the reigns of political power, often close to if not in the midst of African Americans, how will all this play out?
I think all of this raises a heck of a lot of ticklish questions that we haven’t even begun to get our heads around.
Unfortunately O, many blacks fail to see this. There’s no minority coalition against whitey. Non-blacks partnership with blacks to get their needs meet before they assimilate into white culture just as Italians and the Irish became “white” a century ago. The only blacks who win are Rich Blacks and Middle to Upper middle class blacks, but working class and poor blacks are going to lose tremendously.
@Ms. Sincereluv4life,
While I certainly can understand where you’re coming from, we have to keep in mind that Obama does indeed have a bit of unfinished business to take care of; and with a GOP-controlled House and a barely controlled Dem Senate, it will be very, very difficult for him to get what he wants to get done. I predict much more gridlock for the next two years, where the 2014 mid-term elections creates an opportunity for the Dems to retake the House – but of course, by then, Obama himself will be very much the Lame Duck…
“White people aren’t crucial. They are now just another type of people. They gotta deal with it. You gotta deal with it.”
The demographic is changing in this country but I never thought about in this way. You really believe this? You think having a numbers majority makes for more power?
Although the white population is decreasing in percentage, they still have most of the power.
So in other words, you want an South Africa. non-powerful Colored majority, but powerful white minority. This is really good for blacks.
Well very tired as I stayed awake to watch the coverage in the US, also had China on Al Jazeera tv. Now watching the banking shyte storm going on with Greece and UK committee. So another 7/11/12 day to think about “where the heaven shall I go next with less bully?”
As I said on my Facebook status, best part of the Presidential win is four more years of Michelle SLAYING heauxs with the outfits and the hair. Can’t Wait!
good lord.when you dummies finally beat down whitey,who do you think will pay the bills then?as they say, be careful what you wish for, you might just get it…
I slept well last night not knowing a thing about the outcome of this election. I am glad Obama got reelected. Not doing back flips or cartwheels but I’m satisfied.
I’m really glad some of the stupid amendments on my state ballot didn’t get passed, specifically the ones created to block the Affordable Healthcare Act provisions. I was surprised so many people voted the same way I did.
Last I heard, Florida was still “too close to call.” We’re always late…
We won the battle, still losing the war….if Dems cant get back congress in 2014, i see more of the same ol same ol in term 2…but fuggit my President is BACK
Man, I was dancin in the streets last night, literally….until somebody started scream **** the police. That’s when I had to get home. I’ve got a job now and getting arrested or abused by the police isn’t quite on my agenda.
But it was reminiscent of that feeling back in 2008.
We as Black people didn’t win, but Obama and Corporatist have won.
Obama re-election is going to be very bad thing for most non-elite black people. His re-election shows that he can still win the die-hard black vote despite not addressing any of their issues. I understand that black unemployment has always been higher than white unemployment, but black unemployment is at a crisis level and he has yet to address this problem
Actually I think the government does have a role, especially since it did more than it’s share to create and perpetuate the ‘unequalness’ that keeps the unemployment rate so high. And also, the government certainly helps middle-class Whites keep their jobs. Think the auto companies.
I’m not saying the government has no role in Black unemployment. But Presidents? No. Because we all know government is bigger that just a President. And secondly, while I see the crippling effects on a society when government ignores you, I also see the oppurtunities given to people from the same government that ignores them, and many Black people do not utilize the things they take for granted on a daily basis. So it is no wonder why foreigners can come to America and reap the benefits while Blacks keep singing the same song. Either we change our minds about how to hit our mark or we are forever slaves to the system.
Obviously, you’re not from the Midwest because if you were you’d know that the Auto industry is NOT majority white, middle class. It’s black folks, women, and Latinos. Actually, this was the one industry where black folks and women were able to rise to supervisory positions.
I could go on and on since I was an organizer with a labor union that worked directly with auto workers and such, but suffice to say…that generalization was off.
Right. I admire the way they direct people’s focus in the OPPOSITE direction of where it should be. I’m just glad these pseudo-political facebook statuses can finally cease to exist and ppl will go back to postin ignant sh*t
If we can find a plan to get people to take this much interest in their local elections and actually taking Congress then I’ll share your enthusiasm, but you’re right that that’s a good sign. The glass is half full. I like that perspective cause it feels much better
Amen! There is no reason we should have the House looking the way it does after 2014. People need to get educated and mobilized for midterm elections and local elections.
I’m glad everyone is happy with the results, as I was in a bar waiting on the results but they were taking too long, so I left. When I got home, moms was all excited screaming “4 More Years”. But the best part of my day yesterday was watching Wreck-It-Ralph. Best use of $13.25 ever.
All I hope to get out of this election is a chance to deal with my student loans and an invitation to Val’s wedding. Other than that, I have no idea what to expect. I’m glad you’re all happy, but we still have a long road to go and a lot of people who need to be hit upside their head for not taking things seriously. Good luck America, we will need it.
Unfortunately I don’t think the President is going to have anything to do with me being able to get married. The Supreme Court is probably going to decide that for California. But I’m very happy for same gender couples in Minnesota, Maryland, Maine and Washington State!
not that im looking at her any kind of way because i could never look at someone and go ‘ew, youre gay. i dont like you’ but i mean, unfortunately yeah. its pretty inevitable. and i say that from the moral code i believe in, not personally judging. i happen to think gay couples should be afforded legal benefits because regardless of me not accepting homosexuality as awesome, people are still gay and will continue to be so and as partners, should have legal benefits of coupledom.
Exactly. You don’t have to agree with being gay, but they are human beings and as long as they don’t infringe on other people’s rights or cause harm, they should be afforded the same rights as everyone else. No lesbian marriage can devalue a heterosexual marriage. And I’m sure the wedding would be 10x more awesome than any shytty hetero wedding I’ve ever seen.
I’m not going to tell her because she will be trying to get your phone number calling you about how to wear her hair and what colors and shoes…shes a lil diva lmao
I got first dibs on the open bar plus best man status. Not in the sense that you need one, but just let me have my moment of being super fly during your moment of superior joy.
The political geek in me was in awe at how masterful the obama campaign was, like every state, every county Mitt needed, Obama had him blocked off. Domino b*tch.
My daughter said something beautiful this morning…my mother told her that Obama won and she said when we vote next mommy i want to vote for a woman president…i damn near cried…
Black People: Don’t Celebrate so fast. If the next four years is similar to the past four years are you going to be jumping for joy?
Question: Why are black people so supportive of Obama when he has showed his ass to us every time.? Black people have not made Obama earned our vote. We can’t expect Obama do everything, but he must challenges or correct some of the systemic issues that matter to black people. Chicago is an mess right now. What can you say is Obama’s lasting legacy in Chicago and what were his lasting achievements in Chicago and be honest. He has the audacity to attend an wedding in chic ago, but does not have the gall to address the spiraling crime rate that equals Afghanistan.
This is an obamination! (see what I did there?) We’re becoming a Socialist nation of welfare recipients! I blame the liberal media and their damn reality tv, tearin up the moral fabric of this country, promoting promiscuity, single mothers, drug usage, and glorifying thugs and terrorist fist bumps. Screw all u people I’m movin to Canada….oh wait, their just as Socialist…lol. Seriously though, congrats to Obama and cool intelligent ninjas everywhere for slowly but sholy (surely) takin over the world one seduction at a time. Be afraid lames, be very afraid.
Speakin of takin over the world tho, yours truly along with VSB’s most lovable and hilarious VSS MJoy just launched an awesome new site with the help of another VSB (the love of African Mami’s life). It’s a very similar concept as VSB (in terms of target demographic especially) but it’s question-themed and actually features a voice for each gender. So everyone’s represented. Anyway, if you guys get bored at work and have already said all you could at VSB (or can’t relate to the topic that day) come by http://www.alltherightquestions.com and chime in, join the party, and bring rum. Thanks in advance
Congratulations sir. Congratulations to you and your team.
I was wondering what you had in store that faithful day you mentioned on here you got a rosey brain fart. lol!
I will be checking it out.
Looks cool bro.
@ Sincere4Life I know right! That’s what I originally said playfully that we would be A Different World to VSBs Cosby Show lol
@ Sobo- Thanks bruh. But wait, wtf! Your company’s hatin hard right now, I’ll see if Jay can handle that for u. I already know u got some insightful knowledge to contribute. We can’t be havin that access denied BS
Congrats on the new website!! I hope that it’s successful and i’m bringing some Jamaican rum…real talk…:)
Since we’re promo’ing websites and ish…I’m going to be Vanessa intro yall to my website…lets call it the VSB of Single parents http:www.yourchildsmother.com. My other phrase besides “Damn Right” is “I am not a baby momma, i am your child’s mother”
Thanks to all! I really do appreciate the love. Seriously, I’ve been inspired so many times by people and their positivity and optimism that I’m almost beside myself. Besides Romney being defeated and the site getting good feedback I just got the best news I could’ve received today (in real life) and it was random and out of the blue. This is easily the best day I’ve had in at least 6 months, maybe all year! I’m not sure what I did to get such good karma, but Imma be doin good deeds forever if this type of awesomeness is gonna ensue on the regular.
KMN that’s a really cool concept. I’m gonna check it out and I know MJoy will too!
Aww man, the plantations just won’t let it go! It’s cool if you wait till you get home. The post will be up till Friday. Comment whenever u get a chance. Thanks again
But wait…Google Chrome can’t find yourchildsmother.com it’s feelin like a conspiracy today when it comes to VSBs and VSSs supportin each other smh
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*sigh* sometimes i come here and I celebrate being a very smart person of color and other times, like today i come here and see black people who disdain black people as if they are somehow separate or different or removed. that complain time and time again about being seen in monolith but yet manage to stereotype and demean black people aside from themselves every single chance they get.
that possess a level of hatred for other black people so deep that it literally makes my heart ache.
anyway. Im glad Obama won, I thought Mitts concession was the classiest move of his entire campaign and i am hopeful that the future holds some semblance of unity at the basic level.
And I loved his acceptance speech.
the Black Community has TONS of work to fix about ourselves:
Crime (including the Stop Snitching BS;
HIV/AIDS rates;
Low Education Scores/Illiteracy Rates;
Not Supporing Small Businesses ( including Mom-n-Pop);
Money Management/Credit Repairs/Mortgage Refinancing;
High Birth rates (including Teen Pregnancies), Deadbeat Fathers, Bitter and Overwhelmed Mothers;
Colorism, Haterism, Sexism going BOTH Ways;
Etc, Etc, Etc
We aren’t Monolith but UNLIKE other blocs of people We, the Decendants of Slaves, are Very, very Dysfunctional and can’t cometogether unless it’s a Racial Tragedy or Racist BS against us. We can do MUCH Better even Before demanding ANYTHING from POTUS, the Congressional BLACK Caucus, and the rest of the Federal Govenment
Ya’ll still think that this was about the people……
Obama is owned too…do not get it twisted.
People are so in love with the idea of Obama that they pay no attention to what has actually been occurring right under our noses
The status quo is still maintained. The reign of the aristocracy is left unchecked. White supremacy has a black face to quell the dissidence of the ignorant and well entertained black and brown masses, the revolution that’s needed to change the social and economic paradigm and trajectory of global society is yet stymied again, scooby-Doobie-doo……..
Meanwhile back at the hall of justice……….
the super friends still think that they can affect change from inside a system designed by the elite, to oppress the masses, assume control and rule for centuries.
I may be looked at like a wild eyed militant and coot, so be it……the only way for true change to come, is not by standing in long lines every 4 years then patting yourselves on the back as though you did something so profoundly radical, while pretending to better than and shaming others…
fux no!…….it comes with the gentle loving touch of a sludge hammer….
To shatter every notion and ideology that you once held as gospel….
But we the people are not ready for this…things need to get far worse for far more people. this is why the country NEEDED the republi-cons to win across the board. after 2010 some red states and districts learned the hard way what happens if you give complete power to the right. the whole country needs to have this moment of clarity, to bring us together and confront the true enemies of human progress and freedom (and if not a political coup by the right, then an alien invasion or war declared on all of humanity by self aware machines )
There was a choice this election, to be lulled to sleep by Obama and the democrats…or knocked the Fux out by Grover norquist, Karl rove, mittens the puppet, the tea baggers and the radical Jesus freaks on the right..either way you’re asleep.
First!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Liz? Liz?! Will you please 404 this Chump for his “First” post?! Thanks. *snickers*
Well Played. Welllllll Played.
omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Claasic. Thank you Champ!!
*gives Champ a half eaten oatmeal cookie*
That just made my day
Oh, yeah… this was just perfect.
Do the math…1% is not more than 99% AND 1% is less than 47%…either way you put it WE WON!!!!!
I don’t know much about alllggebraaa but I knowwww
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA LOVE IT
Next!!!!!
oh, crap. Kirsten, where the heck you come from? lol
YESSSSSSSSSSSS!
Who is “We”?
me and my squad. not sure what team you roll with.
but its my site, and my squad won. lol.
Boom Shaka Laka!
lol SoBo and I are on the same page. I’m here like “we”? lol
I hoping Obrezzy comes out playing Jeezy’s “My President is Black”. lol.
When Obama gets up to the podium he probably going to say….”I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Mitt ain’t one of them”
When Obama gets up to the podium he probably going to say….
“You going to jail now! You going to jail now!..”
Actually, I wanted them to play Rick Ross’s “Hold Me Back”…..lol
Or dj kalehd’s “win”.
“Actually, I wanted them to play Rick Ross’s “Hold Me Backâ€â€¦..lol”
I break into a rendition of this song every so often combined with a little mosh pit-like jump dance. It’s the little things in life that make it great.
That’s my official “get hype” song.
they did at the WaPo Watch Party…thats the first song our DJ played when it was called for Obama…
Is anyone else joining me in the the Alright alright alriiiight !!! dance? Anyone? Anyone?
Gametime!
I feel like trolling some conservative boards!! Who’s with me??!!!!! LOL
I’m down. In fact, I feel like knocking over the Romney signs in my neighborhood. #Thuglife
TOJ- I said last night I was in a troll/heckler mood. I’m wit it! Where’s the first stop?
Romney isn’t conceding Ohio. I don’t understand how these numbers work but I can’t sleep until it’s final.
I refuse to wake up to BS!
You can go to sleep now lmfao!!!
I fell asleep two lines into President’s speech.
I had that same feeling, but I knew we didn’t even need Ohio cause we were gonna win VA too. But I just thought it made him look more like a sore loser.
that man wanted to win. i cant knock him for wanting to see it all the way thru
My students can finally leave me alone now that they know Obama won. Also, Korea can continue to make cheap Obama merch and the love affair the rest of the world has with him will continue*
*Iunno bout the Middle East tho
Woot! Celebrating again! Thanks America for rejecting the nonsense math wizardy from the Far Right.
2 Termzzz!! I’m pumped!
PLEASE tell me y’all are watching Fox News. Karl Rove is just…y’all need to watch.
Its time for Karl to have a \_
I watched Fox News tonight to see the other side’s perspective. I think former gov Mike Huckabee said it best when he pretty much summed up the Republican party being a party of white men. If the Republican party wants to be taken seriously in 2014 and 2016, they need to bring in more minorities into their party. If that doesn’t happen, the Republican party as you know it will be a distant memory within 20 years like the Whig party.
i do agree there should be more color in the party but minorities dont wanna be brought in.
It’s not a matter of not wanting to be brought in. The Republicans have been practicing the (racist) Southern Strategy for decades now.
it doesnt matter. if you wanted to be republican you would be.
Uh, Abe Lincoln was Republican and he freed the slaves! The Democrats were (are???) the ones who wanted slavery to stay!
Rotflmfao! The republicans may have ended slavery way back then, but now they wanna reinstate that shit. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
One more thing: If you think the civil war was about slavery, you’re sorely mistaken. It was about what all wars ALL wars are ALWAYS about: money! So don’t get it twisted. The South wanted to break off & be a seperate country. The North wasn’t having it. So they cut off their legs (freed the slaves). It was a strategy move, nothing else, plain & simple. The south would’ve became vastly more rich & powerful than the north. They had all that free labor! They weren’t playing fair, so the North shut they azz down. All those stories about freeing the skaves because it was the right thing to do blah blah, were just invented to make folks feel warm & fuzzy. Smoke & mirrors by the government as usual.
It’s like this: you and I start a huge farm together. It belongs to both of us, we share the profits, but you oversee the wildly profitable egg business on the southside of the property. One day you start feeling yourself, talkin bout you hone take the chickens and start your own competing egg company. So I kick down the gate and free all the chickens. I’m like, “he’llll no! Either we both gonna profit from these chickens, or nobody is!!” And that, my friends, was the civil war in a nutshell.
Yep, and Abe Lincoln was a serious racist too. Some people have tried to re-write history to make it seem as though he really cared how African Americans were treated.
Oops. This comment was for you @IP
Why are my comments going in the wrong place? Am I that sleepy?
He’ll yea Val. I tell folks bieve none of what you hear, half of what you see, and some of what you read. Game recognize game!
The thing is that history has made Abe Lincoln into a lefty hero and Robert E. Lee this reactionary. Truth be told, Abe Lincoln was more-or-less the Blue Dog of his era. While the Free Soil movement he came up in was center-left, especially as killin’ the injuns was a bit of a welfare program of sorts for poor whites, he supported the African Colonization Society and for a large chunk of the Civil War strongly supported sending slaves off to Liberia. On the flip side, Robert E. Lee opposed slavery, as he saw how slavery warped the political system of the South and disenfranchised the poor White farmers therein. Not only did the 3/5ths rule make it so slaveholders effectively controlled the legislature, but certain rights were only available to slaveholders. Therefore, someone could be reasonably anti-slavery and horribly racist at the same time.
William Sherman was another weirdo. By all accounts Barn-burning Bill was a white supremacist but hated the institution of slavery. Odd times.
This was supposed to be in response to Todd.
Oh, and the South was dead broke. The only reason the South did well pre-Independence was due to colonial subsidies. Though there are some serious discussion at the time to extend slavery to poor Whites, as it was believed by some that the paternalistic relationship in the idealized Peculiar Institution would actually improve worker conditions more than in the early industrial capitalism at the time.
@_0………..
It was about money alright- in Free Slave Labor that made the South Wealthy, so YES, it WAS about Slavery as well. I have 3 ancestors who fought in that war, 2 as Free Men under the Union and 1 unfortunately under the Confederacy that was duped to do so for ‘Confederate President Davis” in exchange for him and his family to be “free” and own his own 2-acre piece of farmland NEXT to Massa’s 300-acre Plantation……
I get that you don’t wanna seem ignorant and cocky, but Please NEVER say dumb stuff again. I didn’t expect a Revisionsit History bit on VSB
Whatever I said to offend you, my apologies. As far as your ancestors, they were veterans and are celebrated every year on that holiday, as they deserve to be.
@IP
I’m thinking that Marshall was directing that at “Boo”.
@Iceprincess2
The main right in contention during the Late Unpleasantness was in fact slavery. (States’ Rights is a p.c. line of reasoning used by Neo-Confederates who can’t quite come to grips with the nations history. Hell half of the GOP sad motives rest on “states’ rights” today also.) To southerners at the time and the slaves themselves it was ALL ABOUT slavery. To some senator from Maine it could have been about preserving the Union. When Abe was elected the CSA starting with SC violated one of the fundamental rules of American government: You respect the will of the majority to govern. (You don’t take your ball and go home, you just wait until the next election.) Fearing that majority, those in the dirty who did not love blacks decided to bounce to maintain their perverse way of life.
The freeing of slaves was a strategic move. If my enemy is dead broke he can’t fight (Not well anyway.) The south’s economy paled in comparison to that of the North. The North was industrialized, had more ports, capital, and railroads. The South’s economy hinged on farming and ancillary business dealing with farming. The notion of slavery was also cost ineffective. There were no long-term benefits to free labor after the importing of men was made illegal. If I own a man he is essentially my capital good. If he breaks I have to spend my money to fix him, feed him, pay taxes on him, and take care of his family. The south’s economy hemoraged money because they did not realize that if they would pay people then that person’s upkeep rested with the employee not the employer. Slavery is a foolish way to conduct business but the southern planter class and their notions of superiority could not let them see that. They even fooled the bulk of their dirt poor neighbors into thinking the same thing.
So too many above the Mason-Dixon it wasn’t about slavery but trust that to everybody below it that war was ONLY about slavery.
*takes copious notes since the final isn’t open book
It’s an open book… if you bring me beer.
Very well said Wu. Especially the point about the upkeep being with the employer during slavery and them being too dumb to figure that out
The South would have eventually fell apart had The Civil War not occurred. The North had the industrialization advantage, and a demographic and technology bomb would have eventually gone off. Plantation farming wasn’t going to remain a good business going forward.
Those times have changed now. The Republican party is the old party now with old ideas
all that talking and all that came out of it was ‘there was racism and slavery’
someone tell me what i meant, sans the sarcasm and saltiness and copouts.
apples and oranges homey. its not the same thing anymore and everybody knows it.
yeah times have changed obviously lol
” If the Republican party wants to be taken seriously in 2014 and 2016, they need to bring in more minorities into their party”
you’re so on point. The Republican party is stuck & perceived as a party that will service their own before reaching out to others less fortunate. I usuallly side with the conservative side (just because of my own personal morals & whatnot)… but I have such a difficult time with the Republican party not being about my people. As much as I dislike alot of things Obama stands for, I find comfort in the fact that the house balances him out on some of his policies I disagree with…..so I honestly can’t say I’m angry he won. Congrats Democrats
*plays Michael Jackson – You Are Not Alone*
LOL, thanks for the song- cuz I be feeling like the odd one out when I visit VSB sometimes– a lot of my view points are sooooooo different. but it’s cool, *taking it all in stride*
Trust me, you’re not the only one. I disagree with a lot of the opinions on the table at the moment, but I know what we have is what we have. We can’t go around pretending the perfect solution to make everyone happy exists, because it doesn’t. What we can do is build on what we have, and see in due time if people will accept new views and change the old ones.
And Romney is showing what a tacky person he is by waiting so long to concede. Sore loser.
Val I agree !!!!!!!!!Like Romney get with the program. I have an afternoon meeting with a client and I need to hear Obama’s acceptance speech before then or else my concentration will be short. I wish our own elections were as transparent as this one was
I know, right. It’s getting late on the East Coast.
Val I agree !!!!!!!!!Like Romney get with the program. I have an afternoon meeting with a client and I need to hear Obama’s acceptance speech before then or else my concentration will be short. I wish our own elections were as transparent as this one was
As many campaigns as he lost he’s a d*mn pro, smh
Lol. Yep, after the way Ted Kennedy kicked his butt back in the day he should keep a concession speech in his wallet.
Someone on my sister’s facebook page said Mitt Romney didn’t even write a concession speech lol he thought he had it in the bag. He had to make it up as he went along lol.
I heard that too. How arrogant of him.
Karl Rove and his ilk were acting like freakin’ 3rd grade cry babies. Somebody get them fools some pacifiers to suck on!
OMG Even the other pundits are exasperated with him… GIVE IT UP KARL!
Maybe hes worried about all the money he collected..donors might be asking for it back lol
My President is Black and my lambo’s blue….
We who? The President has won tonight, it’s yet to be seen if the means ‘we’ won. Only time will tell. But, congrats to the President.
Well Maryland passed a marriage equality bill so you won there?
Glad to hear it, Malik. Thanks.
And Colorado legalized weed!
This!
This country’s goin to hell, black president lettin the gays marry, the illegals get benefits and the damn hippies get pot! What is left for the good white Christian men who founded this country?!
Nuthin……
Bwahahahahaha!
*chugs champagne*
Bwahahahahahaha!
When the Redskins win a game, I say we won. And I ain’t neva played a down of NFL football.
same difference. lol
And I don’t get nay bit of say into who runs the Skins (if I did I’d clean house in the front office), I actually VOTED (early) for Obama.
not sure, but I think by Val saying “it’s yet to be seen if it means ‘we’ won” she was coming from the Tavis Smiley/ Cornell West perspective of “does the president really have genuine love for black people?” lol. We’ll see……he’s got 4 more yrs to prove it.
Yep, that’s what I meant, except I would like to publicly distance myself from Dr West and that Tavis guy. They went off the rails right after the 08 election.
LOL @ you distancing yourself from the two. A lot of people feel they went off the deep end, but I think it was cool for them to go against the grain & question what contribution America’s first black president has made to the black community. But your clear public rejection of them has been duly noted lol.
Well I don’t understand what both of them expected. Actually, I don’t get what Black America expected. They suffer from too many pipe dreams. Black America is a small minority to pay attention in accordance to wordly problems, and if your goal is to make the world accept you, the Black America takes the back row until that happens.
Whoa!, you sure you wanna tell black america they need to take a back row – Isn’t that why the Republican party lost?
Obama clearly targeted the African American community for votes meaning Black America is not that small of a community & he knows this (we’re probably much bigger than the 12% the media would like to make us think we are, but that’s another topic for another day).
For me it’s the same as when that one dude from your hood “makes it” & comes back to the hood & opens a community center or a library or a Magic Johnson Movie Theatre. I don’t think It’s wrong for black people to expect Obama to pour back into the community that staunchly supports him.
“we’re probably much bigger than the 12% the media would like to make us think we are…”
I totally agree.
Yeah, it’s estimated that if black people were a country, they’d have a top-20 GDP. Collectively, black people having a spending power that is estimated to reach $1.1trillion by 2015. That’s not a population that I’m gonna neglect when my economy needs every dollar it can get on its way to being prosperous again.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/black-spending-power-nielsen-reports_n_1911111.html
this is my thing though, wanting such things for your community is awesome but at the same time what is that community doing for itself? what rewind said was profound. the president of the united states has GLOBAL issues to think about and a COUNTRY to provide for. his mind is dedicated to THAT scale of community. its up to the black community to move it forward because that is our role in the progress of our people. the president is a leader and should be followed through action…..he isnt some personal fix it guy where all you have to do is support him with votes and cheers.
@ sincere
The President manipulated a base. That’s nothing new at all. Every politician does it,b ecause they need favors. I’m not mad at him. Hell I voted for him knowing that, so I should be ok with it. But it won’t change that me and my life are so microscopic on the scale of global issues that Obama as a President has to deal with. I’m glad he does care about Black America, but it will never be to the satisfaction of Black America, and that’s my point. Because Black America expects way too fawking much, and honestly that’s not Barack’s responsibility. He did his part. He set the bar for us. He’s shown he’s strong, and he put some legistlation into existence that help us. But the big steps are ours, not his.
“He did his part… he put some legistlation into existence that help us.”
One key thing to keep in mind is that he’s been serving (or has hinted that he will be serving) the respective agendas of other minorities (hispanics, lgbt, etc.) so the minority that he’s tied to closest is wondering what he’s going to do for them.
I don’t have a problem with holding the President accountable to the African American community, I just think that Dr West and Tavis have questionable motives. Also, Tavis has some dubious corporate ties.
Yep, we did!
Republicans are ANGRY. Oh, well, they’ll get over it. I would have had to seriously turn militant if Romney had been elected. Thank God we can keep moving forward! And, the Senate is Democrat too?! Folks are really sending a clear message to the Republicans.
What? Disagree and you’ll be sent to a re-education camp?
militant Nilla? In army fatigues? And a cute hat?
Damn I wanna see this.
Four more years! And I don’t have to implement my contingency plan to move to Puerto Rico!
I’m a California teacher, so I’m still holding my breath on Prop 30.
So far it’s the more conservative parts of the State that have reported. So there is still a chance for prop. 30. And, I’m hoping that prop. 37 can still pull it out. I mean why would anyone vote against food labelling?!
Well, it’s not looking so good for abolishing the death penalty either, so I’m not holding my breath. Can we get a Very Smart Classifieds?
Val, are you in NorCal or SoCal?
Yep, the death penalty is going to still be with us but, the Three Strikes law is going to be revised. Go figure.
I’m in liberal land, Northern California.. You?
Same! Bay Area.
And 30 passed!
That food labeling bill is a form of corporate rent-seeking.
Corporate rent seeking? What do you mean?
The organic industry can’t get market share on their own, so they attempted to use the government to do their marketing and fear-mongering for them.
The new regulation would have forced food producers to buy food from them lest draw the ire of a poorly informed consumer. The prop would have been a windfall for Big Organic who can no longer compete on price and efficiency with the rest of Big Ag.
GMO is the climate change of The Left, and shows that on both sides of the political spectrum there are groups that will ignore science when it doesn’t suit their agenda.
Wow, you are so amazingly uninformed and wrong. Lol. Actually, Dow Chemical and Monsanto paid for no on 37 campaign. They obviously have a vested interest in continuing to sell GMO seeds and other chemical products to farmers. They make billions each year off of GMO’s. They were afraid that this labelling would catch on nationally, like it has in dozens of countries around the world.
And it only lost because the middle of California is corporate farm country. So those people and others in the area who have ties to farming voted against.
And 37 only lost by 4 percentage points.
You do know those dreaded corporate interests who would benefit from the proposition they wrote spent money on the pro-campaign as well. The organic industry wrote the measure and bankrolled by raising $7M for the prop 37 campaign. When it comes to GMOs, The “Food Movement”, which is really the marketing arm of corporations like Whole Foods, will out and out lie to the public, stoke fears, and peddle ignorance. Prop 37 would have had a deleterious effect on The Green Revolution and passed the costs on to people least able to afford the increase in food costs.
Wow, Dash. Do you work for Monsanto? Lol. Yikes, you really bought the corporate line didn’t you. And you failed to mention how much money Dow and Monsanto gave to no on 37; they gave over 47 million dollars.
Can you explain what prop 30??
It’s a tax increase to benefit public education. If it doesn’t pass then there may be some very serious cuts to public schools/ education.
lol. Puerto Rico is just aiming to be the 51st state love. They need to pass House and Senate. Obama is already on record about signing signing Puerto Rico as the 51st state if it came to him.
http://www.ceepur.org/REYDI_NocheDelEvento/index.html#en/default/OPCIONES_NO_TERRITORIALES_ISLA.xml
I dont think that will happen. The Puerto Ricans dont want to be part of the states. They just want the benefits.
So basically they want to be friends with benefits. lol
works for some folks.
no. more like staying as the mistress instead of becoming a wife or being single. “friends with benefits” is too contemporary of a term lol
Doubt it will happen, because Puerto Rico wants to maintain Spanish as the de facto language, and previously the US has only offered statehood with a transition to English (in the courts, documents, and such).
My people still can’t make up their minds. Every year they vote in PR–statehood or free country. They still can’t decide.
I’m so glad he won and I’m so glad this is over…And I am proud of Tammy “Damn Right” Baldwin for winning the WI senator seat as the first openly gay woman in the WI senate…
Damn Right is going to be my slogan…TY TAMMY
POTUS Obama…I’m so glad this is over lol
KMN
LOL to your slogan. I like it! Am glad to wake up in the UK and find that Obama was given another four years, although it has been a very tight race. His achievement is extraordinary considering the state of the ecnomomy and the crises that he has had to deal with. This guy will need to overdose on the hair dye to deal with the grey hairs that will come out by the end of this second term
Thank you! Chile, POTUS needed just for men about two years ago lol…
I hope that he comes out swinging and getting gully with it…damn the GOP and the Democrats…do what’s best for the COUNTRY…he has good ideas be he wants too bipartisan…man regulate some ish…
Damn Right
KMN
Yeah, I was very happy for Tammy Baldwin too.
We were worried for a minute because it looked like Tommy was going to take it…but she came through. And after this whol Gov Walker debacle….we needed some new blood in WI and she’s a big backer of teachers and schools.
KMN
Maine votes for same-gender marriage! Still waiting to see how Maryland votes on the issue.
Maryland legalized same sex marriage
Great news!
I know that’s wonderful!!! Which state legalized marijuana.
Colorado.
da hale?! No wonder I want to move there!
I bet there is some serious celebrating going on in Colorado tonight. Lol
LOL!! Yep
and a lotof folks lighting up.
i cant WAIT to see how the Feds attempt to challenge this b/c you know its coming.
Colorado is a swing State, which the President just won, so I think the Feds will give them some latitude on this so as not to piss off the electorate.
They can’t, Colorado will cite the 10th Amendment and pointto the election,s and then the State Supreme Court will make a deal with the Fed and everyone else as far as how the Commerce Clause will be amended/bent/
twisted so that native Colorado residents do not get penalized, and THAT will lead to other states putting Marijuana on THEIR ballots in the Midterm Elections…..
Everybody will (try) to win this way, and in THIS instance States Rights isa GREAT THING
Glad someone learned that fat meat is greasy…
Congrats MD!!
KMN
I’m very proud of my state:MD! Voted for marriage equality
I’m proud of Maryland too!
Washington as well.
Washington State voted for same gender marriage?
Yes. Washington State.
Wow, what a night!
Cool. And shouts out to my HS teachers who moved out there (one of them is originally from there) and who won’t have to reschedule their wedding! Now to check out those new etiquette books on gay marriage. No point in being a jerk and not sending a gift.
Lol@new etiquette books for gay marriage
Personally, I like to help people I care about celebrate special days without coming off like a jackass. But that’s just me.
My point; you really don’t have to do anything that different, except maybe giving hers & hers towels instead of hers & his. Otherwise just give based on how you feel about the couple.
Thank you for mentioning the good part of the evening.
We, the American People Won tonight; hopefully the GOP and dumbass Tea Party will Get in Line and do the work of the American People and STOP the Obstruction and Dividing in Congress
Don’t hold your breath. They’re really gonna be pissed now. Lol.
Well, the Donald and Miss Palin are….. Congress needs to Do their Damn Jobs
And what? Let Barack do whatever he wants? I’m afraid of that. We need a decent opposition, if only to check the worse impulses of power. I’m afraid of the dumber impulses of the Democratic party, like the junk food banners and whackadoodle enviromentalists getting in his ear.
Expound on your problem with environmentalists.
The more militant ones want to use the government to make people live in accordance to their dictates. Instead of working with people to maintain the environment, they’d rather use the government to shut down stuff.
Plus, there was the fact that in college a lot of them thought I was a bad person for choosing Biotech as a major. Wait, studying science to try to help people means I’ll end up not only being Monsanto’s wh0re, but I’ll somehow ruin the environment, which can only be saved by being organic, being “natural” and, oh yeah, forcing people to give up cars and electricity and herding people into narrow patches of land while the rest are reserved for Mother Nature ™.
Thank you for saying this Todd. No party should have total control. To say any party gets it “right” all the time about everything is Incredibly optimistic.
I can’t believe that Romney wrote acceptance!!
The look on white people face…..priceless!!
So the point of electing a Black guy president is to stick it to entitled White people.
Yeah…
Not so fast Todd, Entitled white people have no politics. They will support anyone who will give them what they need. Remember when you write the biggest check you get the biggest say.
And this is why government needs to be small. You know smaller stores have less to offer, right?
And even smaller stores are called boutiques
here > ,_/
Cool. Can I get some padding? And get me a drink while you’re at it.
I don’t think he wrote a concession speech look at his face as he is saying it. He’s making it up and he’s pissed.
Yes!!!!
I’m bummed out. That 47% comment sunk his whole campaign.
*looks at avi* You need to stop. Umph.
Uh-oh Adonis, another closet racist exposed!
Thank you Ice Ice
Now what?
We endure 4 years of clubs promoting parties with flyers that have Obama, Tupac, Biggie and MLK Jr. on them for Black History month :’(
tupac was the first black man to be shot and write poetry. he really is on the same historical level as the first black president.
BOL!
Funny you should ask. Is it wrong that I was sitting here thinking “Great! 4 more years, but who da hale we gonna vote for after that?!” I’m saying, folks need to begin to think about that! Okay, we’ll wait until after the party, but seriously… who?
Joe Biden is actually considering running in 2016. Lol. I mean, he’s an okay VP but…and Hillary is going to be 69 years old in 2016…
Joe’s going to be too old in 2016. I think he will be 73 or 74. I could see Hilary going at it again. Giving that she probably won’t be Sec. of State in January 2013
I think a guys like Deval Patrick, Andrew Cuomo, one of those Castro guys from the DNC convention would have the best chance. Heck, Elizabeth Warren could have a good chance in the primary.
Yeah, Cuomo has a chance. I doubt Patrick has a chance immediately following Obama.
Whoever the Democratic Nom is going to be I think they’ll be going up against Jeb Bush. He’s been positioning himself for a while now. I think his people probably told him it was too soon following his dumbazz brother.
I think Jeb’s Problem will be Rubio. They like him better.
Ryan has a chance if he stays visible,i almost forgot he was even running for VP,he sat back,chilled and said call me if we win
I’m all for Gov. Patrick, he actually did all the things Mitt was flexing about during the debates….#Patrick2016
And Regan was how old when he was in the white house
And Reagan was suffering from Alzheimer’s Disease while he was in office.
But he was still in office. He wasn’t the only one in office with health issues
That explains why he forgot about humanity.
(·_·)
epic.
but i will say being a leader during such a time of personal crisis is just ridiculously commendable.
I dont know. here you go with all that thinking and stuff.
Yo Champ.did LA vote in the condom law for pornstars,lol.Measure B
I cried again. I am not gangsta.
4 More Years, hallelou!
O-ba-ma! O-ba-ma! *does the wave*
gee, what a shocker.
i like mitt romney and i like conservatives. i liked the thought of america having a wrench thrown into its oc condition. i like the thought of gay marraige being contested. i like the thought of expecting young adults to take life more seriously. i like the thought of someone who doesnt dilute their principles simply because majority of the nation doesnt have any. i like the thought of america with disclipine and boundaries, a devils advocate for president. much like i want the aliens to win in every movie, i wanted the chill of mitt romney winning the presidency.
obamas a good man so good for him. anyone with that much charisma and idealism and effectiveness deserves four more years.
oh! lol @ the team america reference. i LOVE that movie. i had a chest cold when i saw it theatres…..i literally almost died laughing. hardest ive ever laughed, ever. top 20 fav. movies.
Dammit POTUS…you walking out to King Floyd’s Groove Me is gonna make me sad
that’s the last song my daddy was trying to find before he died….
Dammit
KMN
Oh my. Sorry to hear that.
Thank you…but it’s cool that he played it though…:)
KMN
Time to start making this move to Colorado…
Need a roommate? *packs suitcase*
Word.
Totally off topic, but I have a question for the Pittsburgians. I have been offered an internship in Aliquippa, Pa. What is the proximity to Pittsburgh? To be in Pittsburgh for the summer would be dope. Would a whip be necessary? I googled mapped it, but I need recon from the locals. Can someone help out a VSH (very smart hermano).
muy amable,
Njnear
It’s about 40min north of Pittsburgh
hit me up at 3steps110s@gmail.com
Oh, I live in a Red state. I’m going in tomorrow morning on the folks that had sh*t to say about my Prez.
*drops mic*
Yes we did! And it is now time for Romneys “apology tour”
Twoooooo termmmmmmzzzzzzzzzz!
Ah, i mean congrats to the President. No matter what side of the aisle you are on…there is still work to be done.
“Twoooooo termmmmmmzzzzzzzzzz!”
You’re a fool for this.
LOVE IT. LOVE IT! I watched the mutha-f*kers steal Ohio in 2004. Worked on the campaign. Took it hard. So glad my home state got in done in 2008 and 2012.
Once you go Black….
*drops mic*
I swear I wanted POTUS to take the mic out of the stand and drop it after his speech lol
KMn
Take both mics and drop them. Yell out “sexual chocolate” and exist stage right.
iWould’vedied if he did that lmao
KMN
lmao lol
lol @ the look on obamas face when he started his speech. ‘yeah…..sit down.’
man…this speech. obama is the kind of man who even if were on opposite sides i still have no problem conceding to and supporting him. beautiful winner he is. even IM slightly choked up.
Oh…and Elizabeth Warren is the business. Glad she won. If you don’t know, look her up.
true dat.
Thats my senator *T.O. tears*
When a president is elected we are supposed to be look forward with the promise that lies ahead. Well, I’m not excited at all. I’m sad, empty and disappointed. Not that Obama gained a second term, though. It’s the ignorance, fear mongering, hate speech, disrespect, misinformation and uncivil behavior from everyone involved in this process (democrat and republican) that has my head hung low tonight. We are still a divided country. No president or election will ever change that. We are in tribal camps separated by wealth, class, race, power, gender and political affiliation. These election exposes the ugly side in most. And unfortunately that side is more than likely our true side. We are not united and will never be. This reality makes my heart ache. I see no winners here.
[*pulls you into my bossom and rubs your back*] thats how i feel about life in general. not just sometimes, not just on election day, i feel that way all the time. the state of the nation as people relate to one another weighs heavy on me and i wish i had something uplifting to say but i dont. we learn to coexist and we find comfort in those around us. the truth is no one truly wants to see things from the other side and the chasm that creates is just the reality. nobody wants to validate one another for fear of being weaker and until its learned as a people its easier to move forward genuinely accepting the other side, well be constantly lodged in debates, arguments, and complacency.
I find comfort in an Obama win but was his win ever really in jeopardy? In my life time the dude that raises the most money always wins. Cash rules. But I think you hit the nail on the head. This divide will make for bigger problems than I think people are ready for as we prepare for inauguration parties. And the GOP is the more strategic party and they know that fear is a powerful tool in a divided nation.
I’m not sure that we never will be “united”. They Gay marriage wins are encouraging. But it’s going to take a lot more struggle, sweat and pain than electing the coolest candidate every four years.
I find comfort in an Obama win but was his win ever really in jeopardy? In my life time the dude that raises the most money always wins. Cash rules. But I think you hit the nail on the head.
Mitt romney out fundraised Obama. so that sentiment is correct that the most money usually wins. the fact that it didnt in this case….
Thats what I thought: http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance
This country has always been divided, and if that fact hasn’t changed in nearly 300 years, then there isn’t much solace in hoping for that change to happen now. HOWEVER…you are extremely lucky. You are part of a youthful generation that has no choice but to clean up the sins of our forefathers and generations before us. You are part of a generation that has rejected most of the ignorance and stupidity of the past by using reason and logic to realize what does and what does not concern you. So fear not, because when these old geezers die out and get out the way…you might actually see your dream come true.
i feel you…but somebody has to win. glad its my guy.
In short, I’ll just say +1.
It’s hard to be united when the day after Obama won the first time the senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell said the Republicans would do anything and everything to make him a 1 term president. It’s hard to be united when people are convinced you are a Muslim, Atheist yet also Rev. Wright-loving Black Panther who hates America is friends with terrorists and wants to take away everyones guns.
Stop this false equivalence.
Healthcare reform is a bipartisan plan. The whole thing was created by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank which gave that idea to Bob Dole.
Obama is a centrist. Believe that. He has bent over backward trying to embrace the Republicans over and over… but they never were having any of it like spoiled toddlers.
Their idea of religious freedom is the right to impose their religion on others. It’s totally backwards and crazy.
Total false equivalence, man.
Let it be known, Secret Sauce. Romney had so many popular votes. The hatred for Obama and all things Obama (including his race) is real.
I thought he ended up winning the pop vote too…
Let me research…
KMN
He did, but the fact that so many people voted for Romney and it wasn’t a landslide…at one point, Obama was losing both the electoral college and popular votes. My heart was beating so fast. It was like, “oh my God. The hatred is so real he won’t have a job anymore.”
Floridan VSB/Ss…is it true folks are STILL in line trying to vote at like 2 am? That’s the rumor on the twitter streets…
KMN
Yes that was indeed true.
They said on the news this happened in Miami-Dade but the newscaster said this was word-of-mouth. I’m not buying it until I see a time-stamped photo.
What I want to know is whether what people on FB were saying is true- people who post pictures of their ballots on the Internet (why they did it, I don’t know) would have their ballots voided? This doesn’t even seem possible…
WIP: Up to about 8:30, there were long lines over at UCF, I saw with my own eyes.
I just want to see this kind of dedication during the next election…for president, and mayor, and alderman, and city councilman…don’t just stop here…
KMN
You damn right / It was a Knight / delivering in the clutch!
*does UCF hand gestures*
Seriously though, congrats to them for staying in line and exercising their right.
Yay for you guys!! Now if you guys could just swap with us…give us Obama and take our Prime Minister!
Hey, random question: what do Aussies think of Libertarianism? I wonder if it has gone international. *kanyeshrug*
Never really heard that term before, I’ll have to look into it. We have two major parties here: Labor and Liberal. Labor would be similar to Democratic and Liberal like Rebublican.
Interesting. Liberal is like the Republican Party? Who would have thought?
The more you know.
I’m just glad Romney didn’t win. Because I don’t know ANY Negro Spirituals…
I’m SAYIN.
But you would have learned quickly
That comment made me throw my head back and laugh.
Neither do I. But I can do a wicked slave impression.
i just finished couch to 5k….fugg that i would’ve made a run for it lol
if romney wouldve won my face wouldve gotten cold, id stare at the ground, i wouldve glazed over and i wouldve been…..’its go time.’ it wouldve been a moment of clarity for me to realize my name was called to lead something great. i actually am glad he lost because now i dont have to back up my mouth on a national scale. other people have to show what they can do with their candidate in office whilst i just sit back and watch cuz had romney won? best believe i wouldve stayed in warrior mode. obama allows me vacation time after a lifetime of working my a*s off.
Obama was dropping BOMBS in that speech. Gay marriage, Education, Global Warming. He is naming names!
I know Donald Trump is mad as f*ck..lol
kikikiki u r so ryt, its all about that small business talk on the debates
Somebody got fired last night.
So is Stacy Dash.
Don’t mind me, I’m the bitter libertarian. Prepare for some hot fire.
I worked the election yesterday. Actually, I got out just 15 minutes ago because my site supervisor decided to hold me hostage because…I never got that story. Just don’t be surprised if I end up on the news thanks to me suing the city. No joke.
Anyway, the people at the election scared me. No one talked about the issues. No one. No discussion, no rationale, nothing. I heard more about the Illuminati than the issues. And that scares me. Look, I knew objectively that a lot of politics is built around people voting on their traditions, their social ties, and their emotions like fear and hope. To the extent that I saw it today scares me away from voting. I thought I was voting for the person with the best policies for America. Oh Lord I was wrong. If I was voting for those three reason above, I could have pulled the lever (or more accurately filled out the Scantron) for Barack Obama. I would have done so proudly and with a smile on my face.
But I voted for President of the United State of America, not the Coolest Dude that can Hang Out in the White House.
Now let me make myself clear, to steal a phrase from the president. I wouldn’t have voted for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. His corporatist pro-big business approach and regressive social stances wouldn’t have just ruined America. They would have salted the ground for anything worthwhile towards actual freedom and led to someone far worse than any of the jerks running tonight. During my hostage situation at the election, I even said that Barack and Mitt could go fcuk themselves…and that’s being too nice. They are objectively bad for America.
More importantly, the fact that social ties matter more than actual policies, the fact that policy support is often little more than a post-hoc justification, scares me. I’m not sure I’m cut out for voting in an election anymore. Apparently, no one ever told me what the scoop was, and I hate what it is now that I truly understand.
Well, can’t say I disagree.
The way our political system is set-up, the politicians are a reflection of the people. Politicians make it sound like it’s the other way round of course, because they love to think that they are like our parents. Motherly democrats and Fatherly Republicans.
But when you have a population that approaches politics in a child-like manner (some suggests that this in inevitable given out ADD culture and our non-critical thinking educational system) why are the politicians not going to think that way. It’s kind of inevitable you know, in a garbage in, garbage out kind of way.
To be fair, I’m happy Obama got elected, just like I’m happy to see a kid who gets straight-As get an XBOX 360 for his hard work during the semester. Truth is, Obama supporters/activists worked hard to get him back in office since he had less money than Romney did. However, just like the kid who got an XBOX because he worked hard – people who support Obama have also decided to buy once again into the distraction that is Obama. The hunger and vigilance that liberals and black people had under Bush towards the pursuit of civil liberty and justice, will unfortunately, continue to fade into non-existence under Obama.
hey…are you okay? i thought you were doing laps in flood waters or something.
“to be fair, im happy obama got elected, just like im happy to see a kid who gets straight a’s get an xbox 360 for his hard work during the semester.”
yeah, same here. i admire obama and his efforts so im always happy to see him succeed and do well.
“The hunger and vigilance that liberals and black people had under Bush towards the pursuit of civil liberty and justice, will unfortunately, continue to fade into non-existence under Obama.”
This is the reason I’m sad man. I definitely didn’t want Mitt to win, but I knew that if he did people would feel the necessary sense of urgency and actually start organizing and being active. They’d fight and attack the real issues head on because the threat would be a lot more obvious to them, but now I just expect them to chill and spend more time making excuses for why things aren’t changing much despite Obama bein in office rather than working to change what we as citizens can change smh. I’m glad to see him back in office though, mainly so I can heckle Republicans and laugh at their “We’re becoming a socialist welfare state” rhetoric. I’d be lying if I said I was rejoicing last night though. What e-mail address do you check BM? I wanna drop u a line later this week if u don’t mind
I’m with you, JMTG. I didn’t vote and was only thrilled Obama won because Romney is just absolutely terrible.
2mques@gmail.com
“The hunger and vigilance that liberals and black people had under Bush towards the pursuit of civil liberty and justice, will unfortunately, continue to fade into non-existence under Obama.â€
People have short memories. And what I remember about 4 years ago is not that my president could have been black – which did matter – but that people – black, white, latino, etc – had had enough and were ready to mobilize (whatever that could mean) IF McCain was elected. How do you capture that spirit and hunger while still allowing folks to have their dreams of either being Mrs. Obama or playing ball with Mr. Obama?
You don’t, that’s how. *plays the sample of Everything’s Going to Be Alright from Bob Marley*
C’mon Todd, have some optimism. With the rise of the internet and people gettin info from blogs, social networking sites, and entertaining intellectuals it’s certainly possible. Don’t underestimate our power as people
Todd….what do you expect? I mean seriously? You’re American. You live in America. Where does this idea that logic and reason is what dictates the future of this country instead of emotional impulses? Because I’ve never seen it and I never expected much. I stood on a line for an hour surrounded by cranky ass Bajans, Trinidadians, & Jamacians, and not one of them said anything relevant to America’s true problems, just their own. But I never expected much nor did I before. Because that’s how people are. Only a chosen few out of millions have insight to the real issues.
As an interesting aside, I had a few voters openly compare this election to ones in the Islands directly to me, with the 1980 Jamaica General Election. For those who don’t know their West Indian history, it was an, um, interesting contest.
That shyte was the crux of dirty politics.
I feel you and all, but at the end of the day, this is the system that we have. Not voting accomplishes nothing either.
While neither of them are possibly great for America, neither are most politicans that come into office. But the system is what it is for the time being until it changes. So complaining abou twhy other people voted doesn’t help even if I understand the complaint.
woah. well hey, i will fully support you suing, i hope you do and give em h*ll.
i personally thought of mitt romney as a muzzle for america and i liked that about him. i personally thought of obama as inclusive and best suited to smooth over modern issues, i respect that about him. i also have a tendency to vote for libertarian candidates because i feel like ‘hey! give this small voiced guy a chance at it!’ but i can see where youre coming from seeing options and personally knowing none are best. maybe you should find a candidate you can support and educate people on what the difference would be for america.
The whole election wasn’t about the issues. 6 billion dollars spent and Obama’s team was better at marketing. The two aren’t even that different.
http://blackagendareport.com/content/really-most-important-election-ever-if-so-then-where-are-our-issues
You didn’t vote your conscience and pick Gary Johnson?
I did vote my conscience and picked Gary Johnson. Probably was the only guy at my polling site to do so, but I made sure to do so. Heck, I know Mitt Romney even got a *few* votes there because I saw the printouts from the scanners. (If I were to guess, it came from the handful of White people assigned to my polling site, not to mention the convent a few blocks down the street.) It did feel lonely as hell though voting my conscience, when I literally had people sit next to me at the information table in the chaos, show me their ballots and ask me how to vote for Barack Obama.
That’s how I felt in 2008 when I voted for Nader. I’d rather be lonely and satisfied, though.
Welcome to my world. Idiots everywhere.
” I’m not sure I’m cut out for voting in an election anymore. ”
Don’t. That’s why I don’t vote. Unless I see a candidate I really like, no thank you. I refuse to participate in a system I find corrupt.
Then you end up being another crybaby on the sidelines. Even if you don’t get what you want, you find something remotely close to what you do want. At least then, whoever it is, you can build on what they offer and keep pushing to see if someone else better can come in the fold. But if you don’t do anything at all, all the political conversations in the world won’t change the fact that you created the situation you have to deal with. Don’t be like that.
I don’t like voting either nor have I liked my choices, but I’m not stupid. There’s a silver lining in everything.
A crybaby would mean that I am actually complaining. I’m not. I accept that Americans feel they cannot change the system and have become too disillusioned to actually demand real change, and let things be. Ain’t no crying on my end.
“Begun, the Clone Wars have…”
-Yoda
Good morning panama, everyone,
I am inclined to agree with secret sauces observations a bit upthread-this is quite the pyhrric victory tonight. We have to keep in mind the fact that not only does the gop retain firm control of the house-home of the third most powerful person in elected govt-but that the dems only have a narrow control of the senate. This means that obama will have considerable difficulty getting his agenda passed. The gop is likely to block most of his key items on the agenda.
But the real story of this election, is something that has been in fact predicted more than a decade ago, by queens college professor andrew hacker, in his book “mismatch”-the growing, and for all intents, intractable cultural/political divide, between white men and white women. Everyone else-blacks, hispanics, gays/lesbians (val), etc et al-are only, at best, bit players in this national showdown between the people who most matter to the very existence of this land: white men and women.
In so many ways, the usa has reached a critical tipping point-white marriage rates are at modern era all time lows; the same can be said for white birthrates. And of those births that do occur in white america, a higher proportion than ever are to never married, single (white) mothers. This can and will have grave implications for the country moving forward.
Politically, white men and white women couldnt be farther apart on key issues. The gop is for all intents, the white guy party; while the dems are for all intents, the single white female party. White single women in particular, have made it clear that they do not wish to revisit a “mad men” kind of world; while white men have also made it clear that they dont cotton to notions of mealymouthed metrosexuality.
I predict that this yawning divide will continue to widen, exacerbated by ongoing and chronic anemic economic conditions; fewer and fewer white couples will marry, have kids and raise them within that context; and all the familiar pathologies that flow therefrom will be the result.
There are very real questions as to whether the usa can continue as a first world nation while such a state of affairs persists; and since this is a forum largely of, by and for black folks, heres a really fun question for ya:
Have we-african americans-given any thought to what life will be like, when whitey is no longer around? And if so, have we considered the possibility, that it may not be all that we might have imagined-that it could indeed be, quite a bit worse?
Hmm?
Now adjourn your arses…
O.
i wish white america WOULD fall. black people need to not reduce the occurance to a party though and instead focus on the opportunities and implications. if we had clear objectives wed be alright. if we had consensus wed be alright. if we chose solutions and worked towards them, each portion doing its best in its role, instead of going at each others throats to be crowned right, wed be alright. theres no leadership or organization to meet one common goal or even a list of goals. ignoring the fact that we have a black president, on a level of making things happen for ourselves as a people, there is no desire to get organized and mobilized. black people are ill equipped and small thinking and unorganized. quiet and silent when a gauntlet is present yet cheering for generic victories. black america isnt prepared to lead itself or even follow a leader to better days.
sounds like shots fired but thats just how i feel as a person in this country. we can live it up, have a good time, do whats easy every step of the way but we can not, as a people, elevate ourselves. too much of a struggle for the modern black person.
be careful what you wish for.
word. i do get mad nervous saying stuff like that. its something akin to stage fright/nervous anticipation but i still hope for the opportunity for my people to run away with possibilities.
Also, it would behoove you to consider Eugene Robinson’s excellent work “Disintergration”, which lays out why “the Black Community” is at best, a quaint, polite fiction. This explains why we don’t, and won’t, have an “agenda” and why the only time we all pull together is when some outside external force(s) whips up on us.
Welcome to the future – and it won’t be a pretty one…
O.
We will never have none of that shyte. And it will be our fault completely. Yes, White America has severely damaged us as group in America to the point of crippling us. But even crippled people have to go to work, take care of their health, and make important choices for the future. So what’s our excuse after all this time?
I have little to no faith in Black America, but I do have faith in the youth of America. Despite how stupid we can be when distracted, if you give us room, we do take it upon ourselves to figure things out, instead of waiting for someone to tell us what to do. And hopefully with that initiative, we all might get steered into the right lane.
“I have little to no faith in Black America, but I do have faith in the youth of America. ”
I’m all about the youth. It’s the business I am in. But if the comments on youtube clips tell me anything it is that the youngest of us are not doing better at handling the old issues, just better at chucking the deuces and blaming it on hating.
omg YES. i dont have much faith in our youth either seeing as how theyre being raised and influenced by the “yolo/16 and pregnant” generation. i more so just attempt to convince myself exceptions do exist but for the most part i just feel sad and empty and drained. nothings going to become of us. the youth suffer for it if anything.
For the youth, we are spoiled. Technology has rotted our brains to the point of no return, so there’s no wonder as to why we do so many stupid things. However, the fortunate thing about being young TODAY is how badly our bubbles are being burst. We aren’t given a chance to soak in the idea that we are totally fawked, that shyte is here and there’s nothing we can do about it. Sure, there are plenty of spoiled kids, both rich and poor, who still don’t understand what’s going on around them. But one thing any young person hates more than anything else is to be left behind.
@Mr. Rewind:
You’re kidding me, right? Uh, ever heard of a little crime drama called The Wire? That was all about “the youf” being left behind – in just about every way imaginable. Indeed, in so many ways, today’s youth are screwed in ways unfathomable just a generation ago – and we have the stats and data to back it up.
O.
A bunch of kids in the projects with no access to a damn thing is a far cry from well to do children with technology at their hands. If you raise your kids like you don’t give a fawk, hell yea they won’t be shyte..but you know what? Even the hood kids get tired of being hood at some point. Not all but some. And that number keeps growing.
like i said. exceptions.
thought this might be relevant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixJSvDrhWnI&feature=related
“mealymouthed metrosexuality”
excellent phrase…lol
love it.
Interesting you mentioned marriage and White people, as the polling indicates that single Whites (both male and female) skewed away from the GOP, while the reverse is true for married Whites.
Personally, I welcome our new colored overlords. Perhaps we can have an open discussion of political ideas in our community instead of merely clientelism and machine politics. I’m not exactly holding my breath though.
@Todd:
“Interesting you mentioned marriage and White people, as the polling indicates that single Whites (both male and female) skewed away from the GOP, while the reverse is true for married Whites.”
O: Yes, this is true; however, it is quite clear that single White Women voted overwhelmingly for the Dems; single White guys? Much less so.
“Personally, I welcome our new colored overlords. Perhaps we can have an open discussion of political ideas in our community instead of merely clientelism and machine politics. I’m not exactly holding my breath though.”
O: What evidence can any of us provide that said “new colored overlords” even have any regard for African Americans? For example, take the East Indian community – important here, because they are making political in-roads in ways that African Americans have yet to do (there are currently twice as many Indian governors as Black, and in solidly Red States at that) – where’s the evidence that the East Indian community shares Black political views and visions?
Want another example? How about the burgeoning Hispanic community in the country – we have documented evidence that they don’t necessarily get along with Black folks out in say, Cali for example. Where’s the Kumbaya singing? Please explain?
Another example – Asians. Blacks and Asians have long had a very tenuous, to put it mildly, relationship (think “Do The Right Thing”). With the sons and daughters of Asian merchants now primed to take the reigns of political power, often close to if not in the midst of African Americans, how will all this play out?
I think all of this raises a heck of a lot of ticklish questions that we haven’t even begun to get our heads around.
What do you think?
O.
Unfortunately O, many blacks fail to see this. There’s no minority coalition against whitey. Non-blacks partnership with blacks to get their needs meet before they assimilate into white culture just as Italians and the Irish became “white” a century ago. The only blacks who win are Rich Blacks and Middle to Upper middle class blacks, but working class and poor blacks are going to lose tremendously.
Smh @ uncle Tom Why don’t you run tell massa you loooove him and you will never run.
As for me, I will be singing “the roof, the roof, the roof is on FIRE!, BURN MOTHAFUCKA, BURN!”
Why are we breathing up all the white man’s good air? LOL!!!!
AHAHAHAHA y’all are a trip
@Ms. Sweetsass:
“Why are we breathing up all the white man’s good air? LOL!!!!”
O: I was just about to ask the Tamed Cougar the very same question…
O.
[*literally puts my head back and closes my eyes*]
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah [*points*]
@The Tamed Cougar:
“Smh @ uncle Tom Why don’t you run tell massa you loooove him and you will never run.”
O: Right after you stop getting all your cheap thrills from Craig’s List, my dear…
“As for me, I will be singing “the roof, the roof, the roof is on FIRE!, BURN MOTHAFUCKA, BURN!—
O: Are you still burning what little hair you have on your head in a misbegotten attempt to look…White?
O.
Gawd, you are the most pathetic little man…
You know, if your head was as big as your bra size, you’d be one heck of a thinker…
O.
This means that obama will have considerable difficulty getting his agenda passed.
Key words: “HIS Agenda”
Thank God for the balance of powers.
@Ms. Sincereluv4life,
While I certainly can understand where you’re coming from, we have to keep in mind that Obama does indeed have a bit of unfinished business to take care of; and with a GOP-controlled House and a barely controlled Dem Senate, it will be very, very difficult for him to get what he wants to get done. I predict much more gridlock for the next two years, where the 2014 mid-term elections creates an opportunity for the Dems to retake the House – but of course, by then, Obama himself will be very much the Lame Duck…
O.
White people aren’t crucial. They are now just another type of people. They gotta deal with it. You gotta deal with it.
There are Latinos, Asians, Middle Easterners, etc. too. It’s a minority majority country very very very soon.
“White people aren’t crucial. They are now just another type of people. They gotta deal with it. You gotta deal with it.”
The demographic is changing in this country but I never thought about in this way. You really believe this? You think having a numbers majority makes for more power?
Although the white population is decreasing in percentage, they still have most of the power.
So in other words, you want an South Africa. non-powerful Colored majority, but powerful white minority. This is really good for blacks.
In daily life, yes, lots of inequality.
But ONE PERSON = ONE VOTE.
That is powerful.
You can’t buy that.
You can’t cheat that.
It’s the great equalizer.
Mmmhmmm. I just read an article that my people really affected the election. Latinos voted overwhelmingly for Obama, and it made a huge difference.
*runs around in panic with scarf on head*
If the white people fail, what we gon do? WHAT WE GON DO?!
We’ll let the Buzzards fly free!
*Shoos Wild Cougar out of her coop*
O.
lol
Bonus track:
The End Of White Men
http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/108728
O.
Obama got 99 problems but Mitt ant one lol…much love from SOUTH AFRICA!!!
Well very tired as I stayed awake to watch the coverage in the US, also had China on Al Jazeera tv. Now watching the banking shyte storm going on with Greece and UK committee. So another 7/11/12 day to think about “where the heaven shall I go next with less bully?”
you can imagine i was up 3am this side to catch up on the results lol
As I said on my Facebook status, best part of the Presidential win is four more years of Michelle SLAYING heauxs with the outfits and the hair. Can’t Wait!
BOL!! You-ain’t-neva-lied. Michelle got all the women in the gym working on their biceps.
OKkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
you know what? i really could swear michelles heels are always 3 inches or less but i mean, she DOES look good regardless…..
Ok, Panama, I’m gonna need you to be less wordy in your posts!!!
As a good friend of mine said: “So I guess 47% = 303 Electoral votes #politicalmath”
LOL, there it is.
i felt like i was being longwinded.
That’s “47%” + “binders full of women”… hey even big bird cast is vote http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2012/11/02/52/b9/rbz-Kelso-Big-Bird-Voting-01.jpg
good lord.when you dummies finally beat down whitey,who do you think will pay the bills then?as they say, be careful what you wish for, you might just get it…
I slept well last night not knowing a thing about the outcome of this election. I am glad Obama got reelected. Not doing back flips or cartwheels but I’m satisfied.
I’m really glad some of the stupid amendments on my state ballot didn’t get passed, specifically the ones created to block the Affordable Healthcare Act provisions. I was surprised so many people voted the same way I did.
Last I heard, Florida was still “too close to call.” We’re always late…
“Not doing back flips or cartwheels but I’m satisfied.”
Same here.
and thats what she said
LOL!
What did “we” win? Am I gonna get a prize in the mail or something?
LOL, maybe one less doctor’s bill in the mail?
you can marry me for a prize
its already in the mail.
word to big bird. lmao
I always say that, and it (or some variant thereof) is my Twitter handle.
Maybe we really should get married or something.
More mediocrity? More polarization? More of the same ole, same ole perhaps?
Love the Boh!! Bmore native?
You know it.
We won the battle, still losing the war….if Dems cant get back congress in 2014, i see more of the same ol same ol in term 2…but fuggit my President is BACK
Poignant.
*flings Barack Hussein Obama confettis*
!!!!!!!!
This Libertarian is HAPPY!!!!!!
I screamed & cried! WOO!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLIJc7YE_jw&feature=youtu.be
Man, I was dancin in the streets last night, literally….until somebody started scream **** the police. That’s when I had to get home. I’ve got a job now and getting arrested or abused by the police isn’t quite on my agenda.
But it was reminiscent of that feeling back in 2008.
“I was dancin in the streets last night, literally….until somebody started scream **** the police.”
LOL, time to go.
Lamborghini Mercy, yes we did!!!!!!!!! I wished Barak had walked out to the song “YOU CAN HATE ME NOWâ€. Today in my office this is how I feel…
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/409580_10151073501659814_60413603_n.jpg
I wanted that too, but I don’t think Jay would approve.
We as Black people didn’t win, but Obama and Corporatist have won.
Obama re-election is going to be very bad thing for most non-elite black people. His re-election shows that he can still win the die-hard black vote despite not addressing any of their issues. I understand that black unemployment has always been higher than white unemployment, but black unemployment is at a crisis level and he has yet to address this problem
Sigh….sadly I agree.
maybe WE should do that as a community then…..
+1
Black unemployment will always be high no matter what president is in office. That’s just the facts. It’s not on a President to fix that, it’s on us.
Actually I think the government does have a role, especially since it did more than it’s share to create and perpetuate the ‘unequalness’ that keeps the unemployment rate so high. And also, the government certainly helps middle-class Whites keep their jobs. Think the auto companies.
I’m not saying the government has no role in Black unemployment. But Presidents? No. Because we all know government is bigger that just a President. And secondly, while I see the crippling effects on a society when government ignores you, I also see the oppurtunities given to people from the same government that ignores them, and many Black people do not utilize the things they take for granted on a daily basis. So it is no wonder why foreigners can come to America and reap the benefits while Blacks keep singing the same song. Either we change our minds about how to hit our mark or we are forever slaves to the system.
Omg it was TONS of black folks working at the auto companies. We’re talking Detroit, mind you.
Obviously, you’re not from the Midwest because if you were you’d know that the Auto industry is NOT majority white, middle class. It’s black folks, women, and Latinos. Actually, this was the one industry where black folks and women were able to rise to supervisory positions.
I could go on and on since I was an organizer with a labor union that worked directly with auto workers and such, but suffice to say…that generalization was off.
Speak on it, Jason. So true.
And the people of the Lord say…Amen.
We won huh? Well we shall see
Perhaps now the 3 1/2 yr long campaign and pandering season is over, the corporate parties can finally get some work done…..
Long live plutocracy!
Right. I admire the way they direct people’s focus in the OPPOSITE direction of where it should be. I’m just glad these pseudo-political facebook statuses can finally cease to exist and ppl will go back to postin ignant sh*t
But yeah, the plutocracy lives on…in peace smh
The pious vote-shaming posts were getting a little out of control.
I was super cynical about corporations but this election has given me hope…
In the last month the Romney super PACs were much huger than Obama’s pot of money… they outspent him everywhere… and didn’t get a damn thing for it.
Power of the people don’t stop!
If we can find a plan to get people to take this much interest in their local elections and actually taking Congress then I’ll share your enthusiasm, but you’re right that that’s a good sign. The glass is half full. I like that perspective cause it feels much better
Amen! There is no reason we should have the House looking the way it does after 2014. People need to get educated and mobilized for midterm elections and local elections.
I’m glad everyone is happy with the results, as I was in a bar waiting on the results but they were taking too long, so I left. When I got home, moms was all excited screaming “4 More Years”. But the best part of my day yesterday was watching Wreck-It-Ralph. Best use of $13.25 ever.
All I hope to get out of this election is a chance to deal with my student loans and an invitation to Val’s wedding. Other than that, I have no idea what to expect. I’m glad you’re all happy, but we still have a long road to go and a lot of people who need to be hit upside their head for not taking things seriously. Good luck America, we will need it.
Unfortunately I don’t think the President is going to have anything to do with me being able to get married. The Supreme Court is probably going to decide that for California. But I’m very happy for same gender couples in Minnesota, Maryland, Maine and Washington State!
even in a #yolo term i dont think barack is touching that issue, he will take shots at any states who opposes tho,ill give him that
Val…you’re going to get married. End of story.
God himself aint shytting on that parade, I guaran-damn-te that
not that im looking at her any kind of way because i could never look at someone and go ‘ew, youre gay. i dont like you’ but i mean, unfortunately yeah. its pretty inevitable. and i say that from the moral code i believe in, not personally judging. i happen to think gay couples should be afforded legal benefits because regardless of me not accepting homosexuality as awesome, people are still gay and will continue to be so and as partners, should have legal benefits of coupledom.
Oh it’s awesome
yeah, stop. legal benefits is as far as i go i dont even watch ff p*rn. baby steps.
Exactly. You don’t have to agree with being gay, but they are human beings and as long as they don’t infringe on other people’s rights or cause harm, they should be afforded the same rights as everyone else. No lesbian marriage can devalue a heterosexual marriage. And I’m sure the wedding would be 10x more awesome than any shytty hetero wedding I’ve ever seen.
…….WORD. why did i secretely think ‘shes getting married?! that ish is about to be h*lla flashy.’
but dont tell anybody. [*adjusts coat and puts nose back in cold air*]
gotta keep my hardcore conservative image and isht.
Until I tickles you. Because even Conservatives are ticklish.
no bullsh*t if i were in a fight for my life and got tickled id be like ‘OKAY YOU WIN!!’ kryptonite.
When you do get married I have a 4 yo that wants to be flower girl…:)
KMN
Okay, she has first dibs.
I’m not going to tell her because she will be trying to get your phone number calling you about how to wear her hair and what colors and shoes…shes a lil diva lmao
KMN
I got first dibs on the open bar plus best man status. Not in the sense that you need one, but just let me have my moment of being super fly during your moment of superior joy.
The political geek in me was in awe at how masterful the obama campaign was, like every state, every county Mitt needed, Obama had him blocked off. Domino b*tch.
He won every swing state except North Carolina. Amazing.
Because i can be an a$$hole sometimes…a link:
http://goptears.tumblr.com/
Congratulations Obama.
I beseech you to stay out of Mali. You have NOTHING to loose!
My apologies, that should read as *President* Obama. No disrespect meant!
Where is your blog, AM?
And someone needs to stop that madness in Mali.
Seriously. Someone should do something there… just not America.
Hiya!
it died.
Please let me know when you get a new one.
2 Teeerrrrrrrrmmmmzzz….
We was saying that last night to the beat of 2 chainz.
Wait til tomorrow. There will be t-shirts on FB & Twitter & Instagram.
My daughter said something beautiful this morning…my mother told her that Obama won and she said when we vote next mommy i want to vote for a woman president…i damn near cried…
KMN
Hillary Clinton 2016!!!!
Or maybe Kamala Harris…
Never heard of her…lemme look her up real quick…
interesting…i’ll have to be on the lookout for her
KMN
I was extremely tempted to vote for Roseanne
Black People: Don’t Celebrate so fast. If the next four years is similar to the past four years are you going to be jumping for joy?
Question: Why are black people so supportive of Obama when he has showed his ass to us every time.? Black people have not made Obama earned our vote. We can’t expect Obama do everything, but he must challenges or correct some of the systemic issues that matter to black people. Chicago is an mess right now. What can you say is Obama’s lasting legacy in Chicago and what were his lasting achievements in Chicago and be honest. He has the audacity to attend an wedding in chic ago, but does not have the gall to address the spiraling crime rate that equals Afghanistan.
This is an obamination! (see what I did there?) We’re becoming a Socialist nation of welfare recipients! I blame the liberal media and their damn reality tv, tearin up the moral fabric of this country, promoting promiscuity, single mothers, drug usage, and glorifying thugs and terrorist fist bumps. Screw all u people I’m movin to Canada….oh wait, their just as Socialist…lol. Seriously though, congrats to Obama and cool intelligent ninjas everywhere for slowly but sholy (surely) takin over the world one seduction at a time. Be afraid lames, be very afraid.
Speakin of takin over the world tho, yours truly along with VSB’s most lovable and hilarious VSS MJoy just launched an awesome new site with the help of another VSB (the love of African Mami’s life). It’s a very similar concept as VSB (in terms of target demographic especially) but it’s question-themed and actually features a voice for each gender. So everyone’s represented. Anyway, if you guys get bored at work and have already said all you could at VSB (or can’t relate to the topic that day) come by http://www.alltherightquestions.com and chime in, join the party, and bring rum. Thanks in advance
Fin
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy for you bro!!!
I been knowing about dis project, just quietly waited for its launch. Congrats!!!
CONGRATS!!!! I’ll check it out.
VSB has turned into the Cosby show, creating all these ill spin offs….Just checked it out. cute site JMTG!- keep up the good work ya’ll
@JustMeTheGuy
Congratulations sir. Congratulations to you and your team.
I was wondering what you had in store that faithful day you mentioned on here you got a rosey brain fart. lol!
I will be checking it out.
Looks cool bro.
Booooo. I wanted to drop a comment, but my company blocks your comment page.
Ya’ll gonna have to do something about that.
@ Sincere4Life I know right! That’s what I originally said playfully that we would be A Different World to VSBs Cosby Show lol
@ Sobo- Thanks bruh. But wait, wtf! Your company’s hatin hard right now, I’ll see if Jay can handle that for u. I already know u got some insightful knowledge to contribute. We can’t be havin that access denied BS
*dances West African dances in celebration*
twerks it out with my girlfriend AWE!! Hey girlieee!!!
Congrats on the new website!! I hope that it’s successful and i’m bringing some Jamaican rum…real talk…:)
Since we’re promo’ing websites and ish…I’m going to be Vanessa intro yall to my website…lets call it the VSB of Single parents http:www.yourchildsmother.com. My other phrase besides “Damn Right” is “I am not a baby momma, i am your child’s mother”
Damn right (see what I did there? lmao i’m silly)
KMN
Thanks to all! I really do appreciate the love. Seriously, I’ve been inspired so many times by people and their positivity and optimism that I’m almost beside myself. Besides Romney being defeated and the site getting good feedback I just got the best news I could’ve received today (in real life) and it was random and out of the blue. This is easily the best day I’ve had in at least 6 months, maybe all year! I’m not sure what I did to get such good karma, but Imma be doin good deeds forever if this type of awesomeness is gonna ensue on the regular.
KMN that’s a really cool concept. I’m gonna check it out and I know MJoy will too!
Thank you!
And I hope you like it…I’ve been working on it for a few years and hopefully I can do more with it than what I am.
And I reading your site and I like it but I can’t comment on it
(plantations blocks it) But when I get home it’s on lol…
KMN
Aww man, the plantations just won’t let it go! It’s cool if you wait till you get home. The post will be up till Friday. Comment whenever u get a chance. Thanks again
But wait…Google Chrome can’t find yourchildsmother.com
it’s feelin like a conspiracy today when it comes to VSBs and VSSs supportin each other smh
I cant check out KMN’s site either. Major C0ck Blockage.
That sucks…let me try again: http://yourchildsmother.blogspot.com/
I hope that show’s up…if not you can visit via my name on here OR search Your Child’s Mother…then it should show up…
*shakes fist at Google* lol
KMN
don’t do good deeds for the individual returns, do them to affect change in others!!
Happy for you and all the good thangs happening in your life!! *does the electric slide*!!!
@ KMN,
gon check you out too boo boo!!
Thank you
:)
KMN
Did someone say shameless plug?
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I’m going to have to check this out at home because the plantation is sucky…
But I love how well it’s designed!
KMN
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=mhee&v=mtL0-4oa5I4
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/culture-decline-democracy/
Thus the illusion continues……….
*sigh* sometimes i come here and I celebrate being a very smart person of color and other times, like today i come here and see black people who disdain black people as if they are somehow separate or different or removed. that complain time and time again about being seen in monolith but yet manage to stereotype and demean black people aside from themselves every single chance they get.
that possess a level of hatred for other black people so deep that it literally makes my heart ache.
anyway. Im glad Obama won, I thought Mitts concession was the classiest move of his entire campaign and i am hopeful that the future holds some semblance of unity at the basic level.
And I loved his acceptance speech.
Same her, Shay-D,
the Black Community has TONS of work to fix about ourselves:
Crime (including the Stop Snitching BS;
HIV/AIDS rates;
Low Education Scores/Illiteracy Rates;
Not Supporing Small Businesses ( including Mom-n-Pop);
Money Management/Credit Repairs/Mortgage Refinancing;
High Birth rates (including Teen Pregnancies), Deadbeat Fathers, Bitter and Overwhelmed Mothers;
Colorism, Haterism, Sexism going BOTH Ways;
Etc, Etc, Etc
We aren’t Monolith but UNLIKE other blocs of people We, the Decendants of Slaves, are Very, very Dysfunctional and can’t cometogether unless it’s a Racial Tragedy or Racist BS against us. We can do MUCH Better even Before demanding ANYTHING from POTUS, the Congressional BLACK Caucus, and the rest of the Federal Govenment
well said, totally agree. there’s actually not a lot the President can do for the black community before we tackle some of that list you just gave.
…..now if we could juuuuust get someone to take this list and start throwing out solutions…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtL0-4oa5I4&feature=related
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/culture-decline-democracy/
Ya’ll still think that this was about the people……
Obama is owned too…do not get it twisted.
People are so in love with the idea of Obama that they pay no attention to what has actually been occurring right under our noses
The status quo is still maintained. The reign of the aristocracy is left unchecked. White supremacy has a black face to quell the dissidence of the ignorant and well entertained black and brown masses, the revolution that’s needed to change the social and economic paradigm and trajectory of global society is yet stymied again, scooby-Doobie-doo……..
Meanwhile back at the hall of justice……….
the super friends still think that they can affect change from inside a system designed by the elite, to oppress the masses, assume control and rule for centuries.
I may be looked at like a wild eyed militant and coot, so be it……the only way for true change to come, is not by standing in long lines every 4 years then patting yourselves on the back as though you did something so profoundly radical, while pretending to better than and shaming others…
fux no!…….it comes with the gentle loving touch of a sludge hammer….
To shatter every notion and ideology that you once held as gospel….
But we the people are not ready for this…things need to get far worse for far more people. this is why the country NEEDED the republi-cons to win across the board. after 2010 some red states and districts learned the hard way what happens if you give complete power to the right. the whole country needs to have this moment of clarity, to bring us together and confront the true enemies of human progress and freedom (and if not a political coup by the right, then an alien invasion or war declared on all of humanity by self aware machines )
There was a choice this election, to be lulled to sleep by Obama and the democrats…or knocked the Fux out by Grover norquist, Karl rove, mittens the puppet, the tea baggers and the radical Jesus freaks on the right..either way you’re asleep.
and somewhere in the distance…..a wolf howled……
#Blissfulignorance…………..
as usual…
in moderation……
i’ve been officially censored
any chance you heard about the Bilderberg Group, and the powers they wield?!
If yes, you and I should just get married. woof woof.
LOVE IT MAYNE!!!! *two steps off into the sunset*
LOL this might be one of the BEST blog entries on VSB ever.