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We Doin’ This For.

I’ve got to vent a little, so indulge me.

Michael Jackson told me that I was not alone, but sometimes I wonder…if you know, what it means, to find your dreams come true.

“…frustrated, irritated, sometimes I don’t know myself I be too numb, to feel something sometimes, so I dig deep…” ~ Khujo Goodie, “Thought Process” Soul Food

There’s a lot of discussion about hip-hop being dead and what not.  And generally, the usual suspects – the Soulja Boy’s and Ying Yang Twins and any other largely Southern ringtone rappers – are trotted out as culprits in the murder.  And a lot of times, people are right.

However, if hip-hop is dying, the same folks who complain about the Ying Yang Twins are the very people wielding the icepick and stabbing ninjas over and over and stealing their tagless Hane.

I present to you Exhibit A:  Pete Rock was DJing in Washington, DC, on Saturday night.

A maximum of 30 people showed up.

Motherf*cking 30 people.

This ain’t Pete from up the street who stays stuck off some rocks.  This is legendary hip-hop producer extraordinaire Pete Rock, the man who produced “T.R.O.Y.” , my favorite song in hip-hop history.  The beat alone should be at or near the very top of any discussion of best beats of all time.  In fact, if you disagree with that last sentence and claim to be a hip-hop fan just walk slowly to your medicine cabinet, take the whole bottle of Advil and one yourself.

And for good measure, VH1 should go kill itself too for putting this song at #90 on their list of Greatest Hip Hop Songs of All Time.  Songs listed ahead of “T.R.O.Y.”?  At #50 Lil Wayne ” The Block Is Hot”, at #16, Missy Elliot “Get Ur Freak On”…then again, this list included L’Trimm “Cars With The Boom” so um, yeah.

You lost one, one; lose some to win some.

Not many people know this but DC is a hotbed of underground hip-hop.  We have so many underground producers and rappers here its amazing that nobody’s really hit the big time.  And all of them are influenced by the work that Pete Rock has done.  Did any of them show up?

Nope.

Amazing, especially considering that Pete Rock being in town means an appearance by Grap Luva, Pete’s younger brother and former member of the group I.N.I., who is about the best host you’ll ever have at a party.  Not only is he a cool cat he has stories for days and tells them all.  On the mic.  And Grap rolls with the hip-hop contingent in DC.  And yet, no one.

It was literally two turntables and a mic.  One bad DJ on the set.

Those 30 souls who graced the nightclub on Saturday night were truly treated to a lesson in hip-hop history.  Hell, I run the club and didn’t shut anything down until nearly 4am because Pete felt like spinning and Grap felt like telling stories.

“Whether it’s 10 or 10,000, we’re gonna give them a show.”

The Champ says that the hip-hop community doesn’t do a good job of honoring legends and largely, that’s true.  In fact, the only time anybody really pays tribute to a legend is at an award show or now on VH1.  If you think about it, the only time most of us get to see legends anymore are when they do shows.  And really, I wasn’t expecting 1,000 people this go around.  But not even 100 people in DC wanted to see Pete Rock?  And it ain’t like the event wasn’t promo’d.

As a hip-hop fan, a real hip-hop fan who still managed to love the new stuff these days to include the Jeezy’s and T.I.’s of the world, it really frustrated me that one of the greatest producers of all time in hip-hop was in the building, in DC, and largely, nobody gave a flying squirrel sh*t.  Everybody loves old-school hip-hop and R&B…but yet, we were empty.

And that just lets you know that hip-hop is either already dead or its currently being murdered by the very people who swear to be upholding “the real.”

Basically, it’s like the ninjas who don’t vote complaining about “their” candidate losing the election.

Go Obama and f*ck you if you’re part of the problem.

Thank you San Diego for letting me get that off my chest.

Goodnight and goodluck.

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka TANGLE JIG P

P.S. For all those individuals in Atlanta, I’ll be one of the hosts for a party at Sabor Lounge this Friday in Atlanta for Morehouse’s Homecoming.  If you’re interested in getting on the guestlist (free admission before 1130pm), email me at panamadjackson@gmail.com and I’ll forward you the information and see you there…VSB P is returning to the A to turn that motha out…

*Doing Hammer Dance*

Holla at a playa when you see me in the street trick.

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Damon Young

Panama Jackson is pretty fly for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future.

  • http://pbghappenings.blogspot.com/ PBG

    PeeJay, I apologize. You know I usually will come to your establishment for anything and bring my standard contingency of more people with me. I had no idea Pete Rock was spinning @ down there on Saturday! I would’ve been right there!

    In my defense, I had shipped Ike n’ Tina off to Mother and Daddy and escaped to the Suburbs for the weekend to avoid the haberdashery of Howard’s Homecoming aka “Satan’s Jamboree”. I’m all for HBCU’s n’ shyt and even hope to send my boy to that one in particular one day, but the cacophony of chaos and litany of busy-body niglets that disrupt my quiet neighborhood during their celebrations has gotten to be too much for me in recent years. I got the hellz outta DC and only snuck back for a couple hours early on Saturday to get my hair done. Hmmph!

    If I had known Pete Rock and all his chocolate greatness had been there, I would snuck back Saturday night!! Please promote next time…please and thank you!

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “his chocolate greatness”

      this was actually my old screen name, until i decided to go with “the champ” because it was a bit too long

      • SouthernGirl

        lol

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      ya know, i’ve talked to quite a few folks about this that i figure would have been there and they said they hadn’t heard about it. perhaps this could be another case of bad promoters murdering a possibly good night…

      …except that we had kid capri on friday night who was at howard’s yardfest and on the radio and it still didn’t bring out a gang of folks…and kid capri is a well known great DJ…

      • WestIndianArchie

        The Grown and Sexy crowd don’t really come out specifically for Kid Capri, Biz Markie, Pete Rock.

        They like them, but the typical DC Fabolous girl isn’t getting her hair done to check out Doug E. Fresh and Slick Rick.

        And by grown and sexy, I really mean that bracket of attractive black women between 25-35. Who by definition attract men, period.

        What does she *really* go out for?
        What’s on her “can’t miss that” list?
        What event causes her to make that trip to Tyson’s II to peep them clearance racks?

        In DC
        – National Black mba meetings
        – Congressional Black Caucus
        – Certain Male Neo Soul/R&B stars
        – All Star Weekend/Major sporting

        Basically events that will attract lots of black folks, especially ones from out of town.

        Other than that, she’s just gonna go to the same ol bars on U-Street, and certain expensive megaclubs that typically have a bias against dark skinned female staff.

        And even in her normal routine, (cause she don’t club every week)

        She’ll prolly leave early cause “no one’s there”.

        Even though the club is packed full of people’s, there’s no compelling group of gentleman there that she wants to choose from.

        Drink her little drink (which she bought for herself)
        Stand around with her co-workers (unless they bring the crazy one that always wants to dance)

        12:30 am hits, and she thinks about watching the rest of that Anthony Bourdain in Jamaica episode that she got on TIVO.

        Throw up the deuce, and she back at the crib

        another wasted night.

        • SouthernGirl

          They like them, but the typical DC Fabolous girl isn’t getting her hair done to check out Doug E. Fresh and Slick Rick.

          I’m not a DC chick but, is it really like this? I would sooooo go to this show.

          • WestIndianArchie

            It’s not just DC. It’s Houston, ATL, NY, LA, Chi, etc.

            If you’re promoting “underground” anywhere in the country, you’re always facing the dearth of black women problem.

            Neo Soul was the savior for a bit, and then D’Angelo stopped recording.

            • SouthernGirl

              maybe I’m an anomaly.

              • miss t-lee

                Me 2 Southern Girl…lol

        • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

          Ehh… don’t take this the wrong way bcuz I am a member of the club… but i think it’s just the fabulous nerdy chicks who’ll be flocking to an underground hip hop event…. not the average fabulous chick.

          • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

            co-sign

            *been doing this a lot today… gawd i’m too tired to express any thoughts*

          • JBoogie

            yep, i concur with this right here…

          • SouthernGirl

            yup

      • http://cntrlz.wordpress.com overit

        Damn P, I woulda come out. I didn’t know about it:( T.R.O.Y is my favorite hip hop song, no question. I can tell you the day I first heard it…sigh.

        Next time…

  • http://lizburr.com Liz

    *ahem* VSB L (that’s me!!!) will be at said party too! FREE DRINKS ON P!!!!

    LOL…

    • Intellectual Hedonist

      ***Checking airfare to the ATL for next weekend***

      I’ll be back

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      if by “free” you mean “drinks paid for by somebody not named Panama” and by “P” you mean some delusional morehouse chap hoping to get into your skivies on friday night, then yes, you’re right

  • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

    I dont think hip hop is dead. It has changed and there is nothing wrong with that. There is still plenty of good music out there. Hip hop has never been truly represented by the mainstream, Its always been about the underground. As we get older most of us tend to lose touch with the “streets” and rely on radio and t.v. to see whats going on and that is always going to be the most commercially gimmicky foolishness that is out. That shyt is geared towards 18-21 year olds. At 29 you shouldn’t be mad that 106 and park aint playin the shyt you want to hear. Its not for you. However I do think there is a problem in hip hop, It’s like the newer cats and the old school are at war. The old school attacks the new school, and the new school doesn’t respect the roots of hip hop and how hard people had to work to make it as lucrative a business as it is today. That to me is a shame. Hip hop to me has never been about exclusion, or judgment, or elitism. It’s a form of expression in which everyone can relate in some way and that is getting lost in all of this “what is real hip hop” foolishness. Then when we have the opportunity to come out and support the “good music” no one does. I mean Dougie Fresh, Slick Rick and Biz Markie came to a local club here for old school Fridays all of the people in my age range that always complain about Jeezy and Little Wayne being the only people that ever visit didn’t go out and the younger crowd was mad jeezy or wayne wasn’t there….

    Also VHI’s countdown was a complete joke..did you see where they put Dougie Fresh and Slick Rick’s “The Show” WHAT THE F!*k!!!!!!!

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “Hip hop to me has never been about exclusion, or judgment, or elitism”

      in theory, i agree with you…but this isn’t the case. hip-hop heads have been, and probably will continue to be some of the most judgmental and elitist people in existence.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      yeah i don’t actually think hip-hop is dead. it has changed ridiculously to a point where folks actually don’t know sh*t about the history. and i wonder if that’s largely a hip-hop thing…

      like if it wasn’t for The Game, would anybody in the teens really know who NWA was?

      young white folks still listen to Led Zeppelin and the Ramones and Hendrix…young Black kids ain’t listening to Mobb Deep and that was the mid 90s.

      i was gonna say maybe that speaks to the quality of the early era rock music (which was great) but I mean, the infamous is a classic album no matter how you look at it…

      then again Jay-Z made Prodigy into a b*tch…then again, youngsters couldnt care less about Jay-Z either…

      i’m just lost. and apparently old.

      • http://www.igville.blogspot.com V.E.G.

        I also think young white kids may have learned about Zep and Hendrix and the Ramones from their parents.

        Not all – but some.

        We have to do the same. We can’t expect the kids to always go out and seek their own knowledge.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “I also think young white kids may have learned about Zep and Hendrix and the Ramones from their parents.

          Not all – but some.

          We have to do the same. We can’t expect the kids to always go out and seek their own knowledge.”

          this is another inherent problem with hip-hop. i mean, i learned about marvin and smokey and the elements because thats whats my parents listened to in the crib or in the car. as much as i love mobb deep, biggie, wu, and redman, theres no way in hell i’m gonna be riding around in my 2025 escalade/spaceship listening to “n*ggas bleed” or “g.o.d. part 3″ with my kids in the backseat.

          • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

            I have the same problem… but my kids are young. You can be creative. What they are currently listening to is prolly worse lyrically – the Carter and whatnot right now. Kids don’t live in a bubble. My nephew is twelve… If he’s watching BET singing some ignant a$$ed lyrics to a Plies song or whateva… i think thats a great time to introduce something different and relevant to him that may pique his interest and broaden his musical horizon.

          • http://www.igville.blogspot.com V.E.G.

            “theres no way in hell i’m gonna be riding around in my 2025 escalade/spaceship”

            * grunts/snorts/chuckles. *

          • http://cntrlz.wordpress.com overit

            my sister is 18, and when i saw that she really did cite laffy taffy when she talked about hip hop, i came over, sat her down, and straight up schooled her. Not on just what I consider good hip hop and bad hip hop, but off of the higher ideals that earlier hi hop aspired too. not just p-poppin, bottle poppin, and that mess.

            i think we have a responsibility to educate the younger ones on the roots of hip hop. i’ll tell you what, my sister knows who Chuck D is now. Shoot, Heavy D too.

            • SouthernGirl

              overweight lover’s in the house….man he could move for a big dude…

        • Intellectual Hedonist

          This past summer me and two of my friends went to the Newport Jazz Festival, here in our own back yard. If you do not know Jazz than you have no understanding of this particular Jazz Festival, its the Granddaddy of them all. Anyone who is ANYONE has played in Newport. Anyway, as we were sitting in our lawn chairs at Fort Adams with the Atlantic Ocean at our back my boy KB entered into conversation with this brother sitting next to him. They were talking about how he and his melanin lacking wife had been attending this Jazz fest since they were younger and now they make sure to bring their child (he was a bout 3) each year. He went on to say that WE do not engender into our children an appreciation for our culture and thus our children grow up ignant. That his hope is that his son would not only have an appreciation of Jazz music but understand that it is one of the fundamental inspiration for modern day music (his words). He continued on to say that because we don’t know or understand where are roots are we cant appreciate when we here good or bad music we just accept what is being served to us.

          • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

            This is SOOOO true. Not just in music but in all things regarding our culture. If black people talk about slavery we’re crying or something… other cultures pass down their traditions proudly… but we’re scared to do it with ours. There are things that other cultures in this country will NEVER let there children forget or make a mockery of… but we’re so jacked up that we birth generations of children and only pass down ignorance and self-hate. We are told to let our holocaust go… but every year our kids learn about other holocausts. Our kids don’t know about our leaders (only the ones covered in school), our kids know nothing of our history… it’s really sad… but we who think it’s important that our children know these things get branded militant. It’s not militant… it’s healthy!! It’s necessary!!

            • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

              i’m off my soapbox now… my second rant on here today..

            • http://lifeofaworkingmom.blogspot.com/ bballmom

              You know what, this is SO true. But not always a reflection of the parents.

              We were visiting UCLA and walked through the sports Hall of Fame. My son’s knew who Jackie Robinson was, but not really what he accomplished while at UCLA. Pretty friggin’ amazing man, he was.
              On the other hand, they acted as if they had no clue who Arthur Ashe was. I was mortified, but realized maybe I hadn’t talked about either enough to make an impression on them. ‘Cause I KNOW my husband and I have talked about Mr Ashe everytime we’ve watched the US Open with the boys.

      • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

        We have to do the same. We can’t expect the kids to always go out and seek their own knowledge.

        Exactly…we have to expose them to a multitude of shyt. My dad is a musician so that is in part why I have such varied and eclectic tastes. He taught me it was okay to like ALL music and that music had no color. I grew up loving the eagles, Al green, Zeppelin, Womack, patsy cline, James Brown etc etc…and as I got older I was able to listen to and appreciate all genres of music. I hope I am doing the same for my little girl.

        • http://www.igville.blogspot.com V.E.G.

          Yeah. I grew up on Marley, Janis Joplin, Dusty Springfield, Hendrix, Hugh Masekela (sp??) and Motown and Staxx Records so my ears are open.

          I try to expose the nephews to different stuff, too.

        • JBoogie

          i’m a music lover period…so i was never going to be limited to one genre or style. my fam…they can take it or leave it…me…i’ll listen to anything that has merit and value, no matter what style it is.

    • Omar

      You are right that hip-hop is a form of expression but rappers aren’t really expressing themSELVES. The problem is now we have a bunch of people saying the exact same thing; there is no possible way they all had the exact same life.

      Hip hop tends to be about creativity and when most of the rappers are just cutting and pasting something Jay-Z said 5 or 6 years ago or everybody’s life is just like the Scarface movie, then it is safe to say that it’s on life support if it ain’t dead.

  • aja

    “when they reminscence over you, my God.”

    You are on point about the hip hop legends being virtually ignored. I am really hoping that “southern ringtone rap” shii is just a phase like JJFad sound. lol

    I was just thinking about it today how far hip hop has really come and how far it has gotten away from the original format. How back in the day with the “2 turntables n a mic”, was all that was needed to get the party started and now the newjack rappers cant even rock with somethin as simple as that. Seems like all that i hear on the radio is some dood with a syntesizer tube in his mouth just trying to sound “interesting”. Sometimes less is more and im more prone to buy a CD of someone who can rock a party raw than someone who sells a zillion ringtones.

    Also, Id love to see a hip hop show with a legend doin a rap battle against one of these young’ens! (someone contact TV1 or BET)

    Underground is always the shii..and if you got raw rap skillz, its always gonna win in the end.

    “Holla’n at u playa!”

    • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

      Also, Id love to see a hip hop show with a legend doin a rap battle against one of these young’ens! (someone contact TV1 or BET)

      I would too… uh by the way can anyone really explain the ICE T legend phenom? I mean he had a few joints pusha.. high rollers but legend? for real?

      • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

        I think its more because of the fact he blew up as an actor. He was one of the first rappers to do so sucessfully and still maintain his persona as a rapper even if he wasn’t as big nationally as most rappers were/are. From what I hear tho he was huge out west and he is old school. Most successful old school rappers weren’t really hi profile.

    • http://www.singlesisterspeak.wordpress.com Nicki Sunshine

      ““when they reminscence over you, my God.”

      I loved this song!

      • miss t-lee

        The beat still gives me chills when I hear it. No lie.

      • JBoogie

        the song was my shyt…and i too get chills when i hear the beat…doesn’t if they play the actual song or it’s in a mix or what…

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        yeah, its hands down my favorite hiphop song of all time. hell, i listen to the sample on repeat just to hear the horns and envision the first time pete rock heard that shit, lost his mind, and unknowingly created a classic song.

        and if you were there on Saturday night you would have heard the story behind it…from the horse’s mouth…lol.

        • miss t-lee

          and if you were there on Saturday night you would have heard the story behind it…from the horse’s mouth…lol.

          Do tell.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            i’ll never teeeell…i’ll never telllll….

            • miss t-lee

              Booooo!!!

        • JBoogie

          i can only imagine…i remember losing my mind the first time i heard it lol…

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “Also, Id love to see a hip hop show with a legend doin a rap battle against one of these young’ens! (someone contact TV1 or BET)”

      eh. as much as i love old school rap, i dont know if i’d wanna see someone like guru battling cassidy or something. that probably wouldnt turn out well

      • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

        I dont ever want to see Guru on the same stage as Cassidy. Thats why I hate what VH-1 is doing…putting De La on the same stage as Camron. Its not all the same. They don’t put the Jonas Bros on the same stage as Mudvayne do they? Why must all Hip Hop be treated like its all the same? Dont mix Bone with my BCC.

        I’m one of those hip hop elitists. I am not ashamed of this. I don’t have to embrace or pretend to like any b.s. I don’t listen to all music. I have very selective ears and I revel in this. I do pledge my grooveallegiance to the funk tho…the funky funky funkadelic*.

        *none of you know where that comes from and I am pleased with that

        • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

          I LIKE BONE!! Those were some creative dudes… they were the innovators of the rap singers!!!

          • http://www.igville.blogspot.com V.E.G.

            I am with you. BTNH. love forever.

            It’s the first of the month…

            • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

              So glad I’m not alone…

              • SouthernGirl

                you’re not. i love them. i bought my first issue of the source (back when it was hot) because they were on the cover. man, when the source was on, it was hot. i had every issue for like 6 years…..*memories*

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                i can’t front. i was a bone thugs fan for a couple years as well. “for the love of money” is still a great song, especially when considering that easy e broke the unofficial record for “most times saying f*ck in a 70 second span” on his verse

              • miss t-lee

                *singing * East 1999….

          • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

            rap singing is a good thing?

            • http://www.igville.blogspot.com V.E.G.

              It is.

              • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

                I call bee es

          • JBoogie

            *sigh* good times…love(d) me some bone…

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          i’m a hip-hop snob myself, though i still enjoy pretty much all of it, especially of the current ignant variety. but yes, i dont want to see Guru on stage with Cassidy…for one, Guru would get murdered 100 times over….and that just wouldnt bode well for the Gangstarr stans who actually think Guru is a good rapper.

        • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

          you and my husband would be best friends… he is the definition of a hip-hop elitist and when we were dating it was one of the things i loved and hated about him.

          he has amazing knowledge of the history of all music and can name the song, artist, composer/producer and year off of 3 notes… but he would stay taking my ipod out of my car and plugging his in… grrrrrrrrrrr
          he knows better now

          oh and i too love BTNH…..

          E.1999 Eternal was my SHIZNIT.

          • miss t-lee

            ‘E.1999 Eternal was my SHIZNIT.”

            Yes ma’am!!!

            • SouthernGirl

              on the ipod now…

    • SouthernGirl

      just a phase like JJFad sound. lol

      lol. you know supersonic was the joint back in the day! i don’t think it’s so much about what’s a fad or not so much as knowing that there are different categories of hip hop just like with any other music. some folks just don’t know how to stay in their lane.

      for example…i loved supersonic. that came on the radio a few months ago and i damn near lost my mind, if not for the memories alone and being transported back to another time in my life. but as much as i love it, i’m not gonna put it in the same category as mc lyte’s paper thin. if you can take some of this music as its meant or at least how it is viewed, then soulja boy will have his (party) place that’s really aimed at the youngsters that don’t know any better and just want to dance and leave the serious and/or lyricism to the jay-z’s, nas’, common’s and the like.

      i will be the first to admit that i was really let down by the state of hip hop for a minute and i really fell off. but lately this is how i look at things and i realize that everyone is gonna have a place as long as i know that some of it really isn’t meant for people like me who loved BET back in the day and was falling all over myself when mtv raps premiered and rememberd a time when VH1 wouldn’t touch rap music at all.

      • JBoogie

        indeed-party music has and has always had its place…and yep, i too remember way back when…vh-1 only played the likes of *gasp* michael bolton and such…

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      you know, really, i think my frustration is wasted energy b/c in life, everything happens like this. there are folks now who never saw Jordan play who are like…f*ck Jordan, its all about Lebron…

      like jordan, bird, or magic (and i feel bad for folks who never got to see Magic johnson play basketball) are some unicorns or something.

      • SouthernGirl

        there are folks now who never saw Jordan play who are like…f*ck Jordan, its all about Lebron…

        who says this nonsense?!?!?

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          now, i won’t go as far as to say “f*ck jordan”, since he’s the greatest athlete of our lifetimes…but barring serious injury, lebron will be better. thats a fact, whether you accept it or not.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            true as that maybe, and hell, i think Kobe Bryant at his age is better than Jordan was at the same age…but still…

            it’s the man who revolutionized basketball…and he was the greatest athlete of our times…hell…these kids need a whippin

            • http://www.igville.blogspot.com V.E.G.

              “these kids need a whippin”

              clear sign you are getting old. when you want to start beatin the kids.

              • SouthernGirl

                true…i can’t count the number of times i’ve wanted to snatch up somebody’s child…just running around causing mayhem…my telltale sign is when i start shaking my head and thinking, see when i was kid i would’ve got my @ss beat for doing that sh!t. lol

              • http://www.igville.blogspot.com V.E.G.

                Right. When you are appalled at somethin’ a kid is gettin away with, you know you are starting to get old.

                lol.

                I remember the first time my nephew opened the fridge, took food out and ate it – WITHOUT ASKING.

                I was outdone.

            • JBoogie

              yep…i mean, word, without MJ, lebron and kobe…i’om know.

      • http://www.thecomebackgirl.com The Comeback Girl

        wtf part 2.

      • miss t-lee

        “there are folks now who never saw Jordan play who are like…f*ck Jordan, its all about Lebron…”

        Oh wow….

  • http://blackwomanlost.blogspot.com/2008/10/b-to-e-to-t.html Naturally Alise 2.0

    I compare this phonomena to the same scenario in relationships. The good guys/gals get no play (or get played) , but yet folks complain there are no good ones out there….. same shyt….

    • http://myspace.com/shatani shatani

      word!

  • Lolita

    I feel like black people in general feel some imperative to rep “hip hop”, even when we really only listen to Ying Yang Twins et al. I remember when KRS-One visited my campus last year for less than 10 bucks at a small local venue and maybe 35 people were there. It happens.

    • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

      when KRS-One visited my campus last year for less than 10 bucks at a small local venue and maybe 35 people were there. It happens.

      Hey this probably has more to do with the fact that KRS One has lost his mind and thinks he is a international Spy…..but this

      I feel like black people in general feel some imperative to rep “hip hop”, even when we really only listen to Ying Yang Twins et al

      I totally agree with this. Soja Boy and Plies aint selling a million records only in the ghetto.

      • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com/2008/10/help-wanted-ccir-headquarters.html Naturally Alise 2.0

        yeah the philosopher is a tad bit off his rocker, but I still go check him out anyway, on GP and shyt…

        • miss t-lee

          Me 2. I would love to see KRS.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        i’m gonna have to agree…KRS is on some Lil Wayne sh*t these days…except Lil Wayne could read.

        that was a bad analogy but the fact is i never want to hear krs-one rap again. or he’d only be able to do material from before 95.

        • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

          that was a bad analogy but the fact is i never want to hear krs-one rap again. or he’d only be able to do material from before 95.

          Amen

  • Naomi

    @Panama…pls tell the name of the song that the last sentence is from.

    I agree…even not so old school, but hip hop artists are being left in the cold. This past March, the Roots came to my campus and did a free FREE show and the crowd was scanty…same thing with Meth

    • miss t-lee

      If I’m right naomi it’s from Jim Crow’s “Holla at a Playa”.
      PJack am I right? lol

      • http://cornellwestside.blogspot.com/ Cornell Westside

        I say that line to people all the time when I’m getting off the phone or ending a convo, and only 12% of the population gets it. Lol. It’s good to be among like minded inviduals and sh*t.

        • miss t-lee

          Hah!!!! Good to see ya back…lol

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        yeah thats the song.

  • http://www.myspace.com/thomasforbes Monk

    This is the exact same reason why I have a problem with people that dislike current rap music videos or BET as a whole.

    The soljah boy’s and them aren’t geared or meant for us the same way music that WE grew up on wasn’t geared towards our parents and the such.

    And then you got TONS of adult-aged hip hop fanatics complaining about the lack of quality (read: hip hop we grew up on) music out there…I call bullshyt on that!! It’s THESE same adults that will stress to their kids the importance of doing your homework, research, etc., but they’re not willing to do the research on finding current (or underground) acts that they can appreciate.

    And it’s a sad state when they don’t even support (financially) the artists that influenced their love for hip hop in the first place.

    Petey Jakes, I’ve been saying this shyt for years but thank you for putting it out there in this forum.

    • http://pbghappenings.blogspot.com/ PBG

      “It’s THESE same adults that will stress to their kids the importance of doing your homework, research, etc., but they’re not willing to do the research on finding current (or underground) acts that they can appreciate.”

      I agree w/this Monk. I’ve always had a serious love for Hip-Hop and since 2000, I had pretty much given up on it. It wasn’t until I started researching, looking around for myself and connecting w/folks in the know did I discover that there is PLENTY of Hip-Hop music out there that that appeals to my sensibilities as someone who vividly remembers greatness of the early days. And not only have I found music that I can enjoy, I’ve been able to share it w/my teenager so she has an appreciation for the art. She is very proud to be one of the only kids @ her school to know who Little Brother is! :)

      • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com/ eysqueen

        I heart Little Brother!

        Maybe we (those who love hip hop in its beautiful form) should start a blog that posts the underground artists, so we can be in the know and support them all. I can’t be the only one with a Little Brother bumper sticker on the back of my moped. We need more people!

      • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com/2008/10/help-wanted-ccir-headquarters.html Naturally Alise 2.0

        You just had to throw Little Brother in there Stan-quisha… lol… naw, you know i feel ya…

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        i got a potentially wet blanket question. why do y’all love little brother so much?

        what exactly is it about them?

        let me say i’m a fan, i know 9th personally, and have met phonte and pooh. but their albums have gotten progressively worse…

        The Listening is a great album…the minstrel show is good in points, but i really dont think the whole album is that good…and GetBack…was ok.

        i will say as an individual , Phonte has mad potential, hell i throw him in every argument i can about the most slept on rappers out there…

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      This is the exact same reason why I have a problem with people that dislike current rap music videos or BET as a whole.

      The soljah boy’s and them aren’t geared or meant for us the same way music that WE grew up on wasn’t geared towards our parents and the such.

      you know, what we seem to also forget is that from hammer to crucial conflict and coolio there were a TON of pop-ish hip- hop artists when we were growing up as well. its not like that sh*t is a new phenomenon.

      i mean sh*t, in the summer 93, the number one song on the charts wasn’t any biggie or dre or nas…it was domino’s “getto jam”.

      • miss t-lee

        Paperboy was out that year as well with that “Ditty” crap…lol

        • http://www.igville.blogspot.com V.E.G.

          Hey! The Ditty was a great party record.

          • miss t-lee

            I’ve always hated this song. My BFF and I were arguing over this last week…funny.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

              yes, i hate Ditty too. but i’m gonna have to say that Domino’s “ghetto jam” was that hot fiyah.

              i hate to admit this, but i actually own that album. and i didnt buy it until like 2002. granted, i paid 2 bucks for it…but still.

              glad i got that off my chest.

              • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

                I remember singin along to it while I was cutting my grandma’s grass and she said I sounded like a dying cat

              • miss t-lee

                I remember singin along to it while I was cutting my grandma’s grass and she said I sounded like a dying cat

                LOL!!!!

          • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

            that paperboy song was hot garbage

      • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com/ Naturally Alise 2.0

        Yeah, but back then they played a little of everything, so you were at least exposed to it all. I think that is what I miss, the variety that people got to hear….

        • JBoogie

          exactly…we don’t have the same diversity we did back then…

        • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

          Yeah, but back then they played a little of everything, so you were at least exposed to it all. I think that is what I miss, the variety that people got to hear….

          I am going to have to disagree.. I never heard NWA on the radio, we also didnt get much tribe, or Public Enemy. WE only heard top 10 hits. Most of the radio stuff was LL, Fresh Prince, Run DMC and of course the special eds, etc etc I heard about the underground rappers on YO MTV RAPS.. so to me its the same way it is today. The comercially stuff gets all the spins and when one of the underground artists gets a big enough hit then they get thrown in but until then, unless you got an underground/ear to the streets type of radio show you are not going to hear it.

          • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

            The variety depends on your local radio. I grew up in the 757 and I didnt realize how good our radio staions were until I moved down south in 96 and had to listen to that b.s. radio station in nashville that only played top 10 stuff. They had no real dj’s and they played absolutely nothing I deemed worthy of my ears.

    • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

      The soljah boy’s and them aren’t geared or meant for us the same way music that WE grew up on wasn’t geared towards our parents and the such.

      Exactly. I dont know why its so hard for people to grasp this. We are not suppose to like that shyt. And then when you get the opportunity to support some hot shyt. You dont do it but the first mofo that wants to yell hip hop is dead and claim you only listen to Common, and Tribe, and Lupe or whoever the “hip hop intellectuals” have crowned their new leader so that you can prove you down and deep but your Ipod got all 15 versions of Plies Buss it Baby and Ying Yang twins whistle why you twork….. Get the f.ck out of here….

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        Bust.It. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabaaaaaaaaaaaay.

        i cant lie, that song got me. lol.

        then again, i’m the dude who thinks “the whisper song” is the most innovative song of the past decade.

        i love me some quality ignorance.

        • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

          Bust.It. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabaaaaaaaaaaaay.

          i cant lie, that song got me. lol.

          then again, i’m the dude who thinks “the whisper song” is the most innovative song of the past decade.

          i love me some quality ignorance.

          and aint nothing wrong with that.. I just hate when people claim they hate it and all about “real” hip hop and down the shyt and secretly at home singing the shyt out of it…

          • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

            I’ll admit I like Project Pat,Crunchy Black & Lord Infamous. I also liked Swishahouse and Screw before dem cats went nationwide.

            • miss t-lee

              I still like Swishahouse and Screw.

              • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

                I still find new stuff but I mean when the cats from there (Lil Flip, Chamillionaire) made better stuff when they were doin screwed freestyles than they do major label stuff. I liked the screwed freestyles better anyway. The best song I remember is BigDicBalla. Barre Baby was a classic too.

              • miss t-lee

                Yeah their underground stuff was definitely better, especially Flip and Slim Thug. Cham still doing a good job with his major label stuff.
                Yes, Barre Baby still gets regular play in the ride…lol

        • miss t-lee

          “i love me some quality ignorance.”

          You and me both.
          To the windows to the wall.

          • http://myspace.com/thomasforbes Monk

            “i love me some quality ignorance”

            I want this t-shirt..

        • JBoogie

          quality ignorance…lol. if it got a good beat…it might make my rotation…

  • Gem of the Ocean

    hip hop, as a movement, will never reach the greatness of its humble beginnings. like anything else, hip hop came on the scene when it was still pure and naive. and more importantly, when there wasn’t a market for it. nothing can be done to get hip hop back to that raw form, though there are certainly artists out there staying true to hip hops “roots”. what you have now is a rap industry that is driven by $$$ and demand. as a result, the quality and essence of the music has changed. some would probably argue a change for the worst. but what did anyone expect? hip hop was born as a reflection of a certain set of values, lifestyle, and mentality as dictated by its founders and early followers. with it’s growth in appeal and popularity, the music reached broader, more diverse audiences–even those who had never experienced firsthand the lyrical content that hip hop promoted. evolution, or better yet, deviation was inevitable.

    honestly, the music of today [mostly] accurately reflects the current culture, values, and mentality–which, not surprisingly, is very different from those of the yesteryears of our beloved “old school hip hop”. the new school isn’t going anywhere, so all anyone who really appreciates hip hop can do is continue to support “real”/good hip hop as much as possible.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      hip hop, as a movement, will never reach the greatness of its humble beginnings.

      so you think its all downhill from here?

      • Gem of the Ocean

        i’m not saying it’s all downhill from here, and my intention is not to be pessimistic. i’m only saying that things will not return to “the way it used to be” nor should we expect it to be. PJ, as well as many others, mentioned that even so-called hip hop lovers don’t necessarily come out in herds to support the pioneers or those trying to uphold the classics. the culture has undisputedly changed, and with that so has the backing and audience of hip hop.

        instead of selling the dream of freedom (of various levels–social, economical, music, etc), the industry sells the dream of ignorance and all the debauchery that money can buy. more than expressive and meaningful stories lyrically crafted over a methodical beat, just need a catchy (read: obnxious) hook that appeals esp to 2520s–since they own/run the big companies and by and large buy the music. thus expanding the “range” of hip hop, making hip hop for everybody and not just a select few, which is how i think it started off.

        this isn’t to say that true to form music can’t or won’t be upheld or appreciated or reach certain success levels. i just think it’s likely not going to receive the type of glory that hip hop experienced in its formative years.

        and for me, that’s OK. it makes the hip hop i grew up on and still love more special and treasured.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      yeah…you do paint a pretty pessimistic picture.

      so i guess you dont think Souljah Boy can make an album that revolutionizes the music industry and causes the Black community to rise like a maya angelou poem?

      • http://www.igville.blogspot.com V.E.G.

        No. none of us here think that.

      • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

        so i guess you dont think Souljah Boy can make an album that revolutionizes the music industry and causes the Black community to rise like a maya angelou poem?

        ummmmm… this caused me to choke on my laughter… this was a joke right?

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          yes it was a joke. lol.

          let’s just say i’d be surprised if he pulled that off. it’d be like walking into david duke’s house and seeing him sleeping with 20 black women with one he refers to as the most special woman in his lifetime…

          …while a unicorn ran thru the room being steered by a black squirrel with a picture of an albino midget in a locket around his neck.

          yes…something like that.

          • http://www.igville.blogspot.com V.E.G.

            wtf???

            Is there some sort of organized effort to make sure unicorns, black squirrels and albino midgets get mentioned in EVERY VSB post, with extra points awarded for listing all in one comment????

            LMAO.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

              yes…and i’d actually like to see somebody TOP my comment.

              • http://www.thecomebackgirl.com The Comeback Girl

                im starting to really feel some kind of way about the pixie dust posse. They only seem to come out..when the mood hits them..i wasn’t even a full fledged memeber and I was ready to swing over Wu molesting Alise’s unicorn.

      • SouthernGirl

        don’t disrespect maya like that. lol.

  • charli skipper

    plies singlehandedly lynched hip hop, hooked it to the back of his pickup truck and drug it around for 47 miles.

    • miss t-lee

      Wow. I can’t even laugh at this.

      • V Renee

        Yeah…..Not funny.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      by himself though? plies is just the latest in a long line of folks. i dont know that plies is any worse than anybody else…