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VSB Talks To Underground Directors Anthony Hemingway and Salli Richardson Whitfield

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Black stories told by black people. A novel concept, I know. But here we are all the way in 2017, our year in the lawd Beyonce, and the idea that the folk best-equipped to tell the empowering, perfervid, often-complicated stories of the real-world and fictionalized experiences of black people would be other black people is still something that is deemed up for debate in Hollywood. When folk like Aaron Sorkin need to be reminded that the entertainment industry is in fact not a meritocracy and people of color have a harder time not only breaking into the industry but being given a chance to fail like their white-male counterparts you know we need to keep pushing the issue forward. I know, y’all. Duh City on top of Duh Mountain. Population:wypipo.

But it isn’t all bad news, bears. Black actors, screenwriters, producers and directors are experiencing something of a renaissance. Donald Glover’s popular show Atlanta won a Golden Globe for Best TV Series Comedy or Musical. At the same awards show, Issa Rae was nominated for her breakout lead role in HBO’s Insecure. She lost to Tracee Ellis Ross for her role in the hit ABC sitcom Blackish. And let’s not forget Jordan Peele and his movie that sparked a thousand think pieces. All of these titles include black creators building the fire upon black experiences, the under-achiever struggling to make it, the socially-awkward black girl with a heart of gold, the societal dangers of trusting Darth Becky. Our stories told our way. One show having a stellar year is WGN’s Underground which dramatizes a history you may think you know already but puts its thing down flips it and reverses it, breathing new life into a story that could have seemed cliche. VSB had the opportunity to speak with Underground series director Anthony Hemingway (Red Tails) and episodic director for this week’s episode, Salli Richardson Whitfield (Black Dynamite) on the importance of telling our own stories and what to expect from the rest of the season.

VSB: We are really enjoying this season of Underground!

Anthony Hemingway: Thank you so much, it’s definitely encouraging to hear and just seeing the reach that it’s getting and the success that it’s getting is something we don’t take very lightly. You know, we love the show so much and [we’re] so thankful that it’s landing.

VSB: The show certainly resonates with the black community and people in general. Last week’s episode “Ache” was nerve-wracking to say the least.


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AH: Yeah. Amirah Vann and Jurnee Smollett-Bell made everything in my body ache watching it [Laughs] and just watching them dive into the truth and the depths of each of their characters it makes it so palpable and pulpy, it really draws you in and it’s one of the things that I love. They’re such amazing talents. We were so blessed to have them in those roles. To continue to find every element and opportunity to drag this forward into today and finding a way in making this resonate as a reintroduction to those of us who have a great understanding of our history and those who don’t. Especially this younger generation. We’re looking for every opportunity to really give us that fresh perspective that we need and helping us know what we need to grow. The strength we need to find and tap into today to resist.

VSB: You know, there are some in the black community who express something along the lines of exhaustion in the retelling of past black stories, specifically the chattel slavery period and the civil rights movement of the 1960s. How does a show like Underground overcome this hurdle and reinvent the genre?

AH: It’s just being aware and understanding what I feel is really necessary for us right here, right now, today. It’s one of the things that I feel that you know, the most important story in your life is the story you tell yourself and I think that if we continue to show and remind our brothers and sisters the strength and the worth that we have and the black humanity, you know we don’t have to sit back and be quiet. We are trying to find the voice of the oppressed and figure out what we have to do to find our strength and resist where we are. So for me it’s just finding those things — opportunities in my purpose as a filmmaker and a young black man to speak to my black men, speak to my black sisters and let them know that there is a way, there is the possible. We don’t have to accept what we’re given or what we’re told. We all have a contribution to make. We all have a purpose.

VSB: Salli, Can you let us know what viewers can anticipate from this week’s episode, “Nok Aaut”?

Salli Richardson-Whitfield: My favorite character all along has been Cato so when I got this episode and it was really Cato’s story I was like, “Score!” and he’s (Alano Miller) such an amazing actor. You’re going to know so much more about Cato and what his hurts are, you know? I see him in this beautiful love story. It’s just a completely different side of him. I think it’s going to be an exciting episode because it’s completely different than a lot of the other episodes because it doesn’t take place on the plantation, really. And in the woods, and people running. It’s just something completely stand-alone and different.

VSB: Salli, I heard you actually showed up weeks early for production, is this correct?


SRW: Courtesy of WGN

I like to bathe myself in the show and get the rythym of the crew. So I flew myself in maybe a month before I was supposed to shoot and just observed Anthony. Wake up early, be there all day, that way when I get there i already know the crew. It helps me and gets me in a better rhythm. I’m not going to leave a scene until my actors give me what we need.

VSB: What was this experience like?

SRW: [Laughs]There was a lot going on— you know— Jurnee was pregnant and they were trying to shoot all around her. I really was given a lot more freedom, obviously sticking to Anthony’s style of what the show is, to go and do what I wanted to do. I felt very trusted by Anthony and Misha and Joe (Show creators Misha Green and Anthony Pokaski). They really trusted me to take care of their baby and shoot my vision and I think it turned out well.

VSB: Salli, Underground was not your first time directing. You actually directed an episode of Queen Sugar before this, correct?

SRW: Yes. It was two episodes, actually. And of course I have to direct the episode where my husband {Salli is married to Queen Sugar’s Dondre Whitfield} has to kiss our actress (Dawn-Lyen Gardner) for the first time and he was so worried about it. I said, “You better get to kissing! We gotta go!” [laughs]

VSB: What has this experience been like moving from in front of the camera to behind it?

SRW: I spoke with Ava Duvernay and she encouraged me to look beyond what I had been doing. I’ve worked consistently for thirty years and I started to get a little bored, honestly. I wanted more control as an artist. I can’t tell you how empowering it is to help other actor’s get great performances.

VSB: Why is it important for there to be people of color in the creative process?

SRW: Well, I think. This is why it is important for black people to be telling our stories. It’s easy for me as a black person to go on a white show because we are surrounded by the white experience. It’s harder for people of other nationalities to come in and direct the black experience because they are not cloaked in it every day. They do not know the little nuances of it.

On working with white directors…

SRW: As an actress I’ll be in things and the note they always give me is  “you seem a little… angry. Can you just be a little softer?” when I’m just talking to my girl the way I would talk in our culture and you have to live that. To tell the black experience sometimes you need to be black. ‘Cause you ain’t gonna understand it, otherwise.

On the importance of unapologetic blackness.

SRW: I’m going to use my daughter more as an example because we’re in uncharted territories or actually going back to the same crap… I don’t know what the world is going to be like for her. It would be very easy for my daughter to blend in (Salli is biracial with a white father) and not know who she is as a black woman. What I try to do with my daughter is make sure that she knows who she is because when she walks out into the real world they’re going to know and {I tell her} I need you to be ready for battle. She has to be prepared. Because they’ll expect you to be. My daughter already… in sixth grade… she wants to go to Spelman. I know who I am. A black woman and what those challenges are and I empower my daughter in those ways.

AH: It’s as simple as not being afraid to live my truth and being very proud in who I am. Being confident and fearless in a way of speaking and fighting for what I believe. Being not afraid to show sensitivity when sensitivity is needed. Not afraid to love when love is so necessary today and being able to be vulnerable. Knowing at the end of the day I am a man and a child of God and I stand firm and allow myself to be me.

VSB: Well here at VSB we like to say, “That’s the Blackest Thing That Ever Happened This Week” and so I’d just like to nominate you two.

AH: [Laughs] Aw. Well, thank you.

Underground airs every Wednesday at 10/9c on WGN

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  • CrankUpThe_AC

    My Lord. I forgot how pretty Salli Richardson Whitfield was.

  • PinkRose

    Yassss to Spelman, THE definition of excellence in the education of Black women!!

  • fedup

    This show is soooo good! Never thought I’d be eagerly awaiting weekly episodes of a slave drama.

    However, Amirah Vann’s “W’s” on the show are killing me. You could play a drinking game based on them. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/678de49f6aabb40edbfde5b9ebd58cb9df4fefba239a81e9ed3cb53882bf620c.gif

  • Val

    Love Black women directors! Go, Salli!

    • L8Comer

      Hey Val :) had no idea she was directing! I haven’t seen her since a low down dirty shame.

      • Val

        Hiya, L.


        Lol Wow, that was a long time ago. Check her out in I Will Follow. It should still be on Netflix.

        • L8Comer

          Lolol will do

  • MsCee

    “They do not know the little nuances of it.”…that part. Exactly! That’s what makes Underground so good. I literally cannot wait for a new episode each week. Myself and all my coworkers are deeply emotionally invested in this show. It’s the attention that they give the little intricate details that makes this show sooooo great.

    • Jae Starz

      As the only black woman on a staff of 6 that serves other black and brown women I can’t express how much I agree with understanding the nuances of black culture/experience. My coworkers don’t “get” a lot of things and wonder why the women “seem to connect” with me in a different way.

      • MsCee

        Right…it’s like they live behind a curtain with the Willy Wonka song “Pure Imagination” constantly on repeat.

      • BlackMamba

        Omg. This 100%. A lot of my humor at work is black humor so me and the older black woman coworker will laugh at some stuff and the white people just won’t get it.

        • Jae Starz

          So many times I have to check myself because my ladies will say or do something and my alabaster colleagues will be all the way confused and my student is all “Ms. Jae knows what I’m talking about! Right, Ms. Jae” I just smile and say “Professionalism ladies. Professionalism.”

  • PriceIsRightHorns

    I enjoy “Underground,” and it takes me on an emotional roller coaster each time I watch it. Aisha Hinds as Harriet Tubman is outstanding.

  • Shout’s out to V.I.P. for being an official VSB representative. Another shout out to #teamlightskinned for keeping it extra black this last year or so. LeBron must have gotten under y’all skin.

    Lastly, “It’s as simple as not being afraid to live my truth and being very proud in who I am.” are words to live by people.

    • I’veLostCount

      Things must be really quite here for you to mention teamlightskinned eh?

      • No shade. It didn’t used to be like this.

        • I’veLostCount

          But you know people in here throw down. Never forget the Dustin

          • I can’t judge. I’ve started my share of blazing infernos in here.

            • I’veLostCount

              Yup. Some interesting ones too.

              • It always starts innocent enough. Next thing you know, poof.

    • Wise Old Owl

      This…teamlightskinned…when haven’t light skin “Black Folks” been given a platform to talk for and represent the Black Masses…I am sure Locke and Dubois are proud of their talented tenth continued to rule, I mean uplift and save the “Race.”…Shouts Out to Marcus Garvey and Team Black Folks for keeping it real this year and every year…#BlackisBlack…

      • Thinking back, we have always had some light skinned leader. They just usually came with a blacker counterpart.

        • Wise Old Owl

          Yes, whether earned or “anointed”

    • Vanity in Peril

      Thanks for the shoutout! Both Anthony and Salli were beyond charming and forthright. I don’t represent #teamlightskint but I support y’all.


      Team Cinnamonlafemme

      • Wise Old Owl

        How about loving and supporting Team Black…or are team light skint and team cinnamon more deserving of love and support? Don’t talk about racism, sexism and homophobia as long as yall practice Colorism…#BlackisBlack…long live De La Soul…

        • Vanity in Peril

          You’re arguing against a view that wasn’t expressed.

          *insert Nick Young “???” meme here.

        • cyanic

          You are always in your feelings about your own complexion. No one here has an issue with our deep hue relatives and lovers.

          • Wise Old Owl

            I am in my feelings about systemic Colorism, which discriminates against dark skin Black Folks in every facet of American Life…employment, education, criminal justice, income, health care and politics all show bias against dark skin Black Folks and benefits to team light skinned…so, yes, I am going to continue to express my opinions about Colorism until Dark Skin Black Folks have the same opportunities as team light skinned… Preference equals Prejudice…

            • cyanic

              Global and domestic white supremacy will remain fixated on the darkest of us. And plenty of American black women prefer darker men. Darker women get the short end of the stick in the consensus of desirability. My take on that is the same physical attributes that make the “undiluted” black man appealing are an outright minus when they are on a black woman. We can base this on both forms of conditioning – self-loathing and their preference for a beauty standard for women.

              Staying alert and angry on the matter changes nothing. Know that we all love each other as a group. Only when someone wants to cause ripples is when they get called out for it.

              • Wise Old Owl

                Name the first Black Man anything in America from President, Senator, Governor, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, Attorney General, News Anchor, Tenured Professor at Harvard and etc..it was always a light skinned Black Male…Dark Skin Black Men with the same level of education and experience earn up to fifty percent less income than light skinned Black Males and have double the unemployment rate…Dark Skin Black Men receive longer sentences for similar crimes as light skinned defendants and are more likely to be convicted…study after study shows that Light Skinned Black Males have a much easier path in America and are desired more by Black Women….I know plenty of Dark Skin Brothers such as myself who love and cherish Dark Skin Sisters, but are rejected because their prefer to “choose” Light Skin males with good hair to marry and mate for lighter offspring…This myth that only Dark Skin Sisters have it tough is patently false and misleading…Dark Skin Black Folks have it hard in America and, because of Sexism Dark Skin Sisters bear an additional burden…However, just because a few dark skin actors with perfect abs have movie roles, does not negate the plight of Dark Skin Brothers in America…Congratulations to Drake, The Weekend, Bruno Mars, Michael Ealy, J. Cole, Chris Brown, Steve Harvey, Greg and Bryant Gumble, Barry O. Eric Holder, Cory Booker, Lester Holt, Don Lemon, Steph Curry, Will Smith, The Rock, Shermar Moore, LL.Cool J, Stedham Graham and the rest of Team Light Skinned….I know that it is hard out here for you, because Sisters prefer Team Dark Skinned…

                • cyanic

                  Denzel Washington is the first black actor to become a multiple Oscar winner.

                  I feel you have internalized insecurity about the deepness of your hue. And I agree there is a more intense gaze on darker skin people. But who are you punishing when you criticize lighter skin blacks for a perceived privilege? Black people regardless of complexion are still black people unless they can outright pass for white.

                  • Wise Old Owl

                    When did Denzel become Dark Skinned…I actually love my Dark Skin, just wish more of my so called Sisters and Brothers loved theirs…by the way are white folks correct if they respond that you have internalized insecurities about your race or men folks correct if they respond that you have internalized insecurities about your gender…Race is a Social Construct, however Colorism is a Reality…I don’t punish light skinned Black Folks for their all too real privileges that you are seeking to deny…However, I will continue to speak out and advocate for dark skin Black Folks who are denying those same privileges and punished for their beautiful and rich deep chocolate melanin…

                    • cyanic

                      Okay Washington is medium tone. But medium tone blacks usually see themselves as dark because it ain’t light enough to be considered light.

                    • cyanic

                      Washington is medium brown. But medium brown people usually consider themselves dark in direct comparison with high yellow people like me. Are you asking me if I have internalized insecurity about my gender because I’m gay?

                    • Wise Old Owl

                      In my experience, individuals the complexion of Denzel claim light skin….similar to how Hispanics from the DR and Cuba claim white to attain the status of the preferred group in a society….I wasn’t aware of your sexuality…I am pointing out how you are very dismissive of Colorism affects on Black males….so how do you feel when whites, males and heterochexuals dismiss systemic bias and oppression of Black Folks, Women and Homochexuals…empathy with others is key to eliminating prejudice and oppression…

                    • cyanic

                      I feel your focus on the issue is based on your personal history and wanting to correct those early and lasting grievances. I feel no one here is attempting to make any dark skin member of our community feel bad about themselves.

                    • cyanic
  • Nortey

    this convinced me. I’m watchin this show.

  • PinkRose

    I have no doubt that this show is amazing. But at this point in my life, I’m all “slaved out” with TV/movies about slavery.

    • BlackMamba

      Same. I haven’t seen 12 Years A Slave for the same reason.

      • PinkRose

        12 years was the last slave movie I saw.

        • BlackMamba

          Are you Brown Rose?

          • PinkRose

            I don”t know who/what brown rose is.

    • This is different though!! For real!

    • TLati

      Just watch the first episode of season 1 and then make your decision. That’s what my bestie told me several months ago and now I am hooked!

  • cyanic

    She married Robert. She was more gorgeous than young Jada. And unlike Ms Guy there is no bitterness in her face.

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