Pop Culture, Theory & Essay

Umm…Are We Sure Jay Z Wouldn’t Have Gotten His Ass Kicked?

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We all care way too much about the Knowles-Carter family. Don’t get me wrong, I think their music and impact on pop culture is important, but if they’re not performing, I could care less about them and their baby with a weird name. How we got here is beyond me, but I’m not one of those people who will begrudge anyone’s obsession with celebrity lives. It’s not for me, but I get it, and every now and then I make an exception, I get into it too.

That fight between Solange and Jay-Z as Beyonce stood by in an elevator is a perfect example of when I make an exception.

By any standard of rubbernecking, what we saw take place in that elevator was worthy of watching. When’s the last time you saw someone attack another person in public, let alone an elevator? When’s the last time any of you have seen a woman attacking a grown man like Solange attacked Jay? How many times have you seen an actual physical fight between your family members? In case you are wondering, here are my answers to those questions:

 Never

At least a year ago

Two times in my entire life

I understand that what took place between two-and-a-half famous people is what put this over the top. But let’s not underrate what actually took place. This was not only rare footage of Jay-Z, Beyonce, and Solange, this was rare footage of people period. There’s a reason a company like Worldstar is so popular: We like watching even normal people fight, especially when it is a woman who is making a man look, well, weak.

Few people are more popular of a choice than Jay-Z and Beyonce in the pantheon of think piece subjects. I’ve done think pieces on both of them myself. But I’d like to think a seasoned professional like myself has moved past such a saturated topic, so when I saw the video my first inclination was to leave it alone and find another subject to write about.

But then I saw the reactions to the video and the lights in my head began flickering on. Once again I was about to make an exception, because after seeing the video, then reading and hearing the numerous reactions, then seeing the video again, I began to conjure up a thought about this whole mess that I haven’t really seen discussed:

 Everyone wants to applaud Jay-Z for not hitting Solange back or physically reacting. All up and down my social media timelines I saw some variation of either Jay-Z being applauded for his restraint or being shaded and accused of not physically reacting because he has too much to lose. This was a classic case of damned-if-he-did and damned-if-he didn’t.

Both these arguments make sense but after watching the tape myself, I have another theory: Had Jay-Z fought back he would have come away with more than just a sore jaw. There probably would have been a busted lip and a black eye.

I am firmly enrolled in the school of thought that believes no man should physically touch a woman, and even if he is being attacked by one, he needs to find the most non-violent way possible to diffuse it. This is not just because no man looks good coming away from getting the best of a woman, but also because if he doesn’t get the best of her, the shame he will feel will know no bounds. Where I come from, I’ve seen men who look perfectly capable of fighting get tossed into the bushes by women. Is it common? No. But it’s not rare and as much I’m here for all of us who want to say never hit a woman, we should consider a woman can whoop a mans ass too.

Granted, this isn’t the case for all women, probably not even the case for most women, but why would any man ever want to find out if their woman is an exception to our flawed theory, that just because women aren’t as physically strong as us they are therefore less skilled when it comes to throwing hands (and feet).

While I do believe Jay-Z would have gotten the best of Solange, I don’t believe he would have done so without taking a couple of lumps himself. Solange fought like she has fought not only a few times in her life, but one of those times was recently. The person in that elevator who knows her best, didn’t step in because she knows she couldn’t take little sister one-on-one. And I’m convinced Jay knew too, before he got the best of her, he was going to have to be on the receiving end of a couple of haymakers and one good kick.

We forget that some women know how to fight. Yes, men are naturally stronger, but we all know strength does not beget victories when it comes to fighting. Solange looked like she knew how to throw a punch AND take a punch, because look at the video. Do you see how scared she isn’t? She looks like she not only fought guys bigger than her, she’s fought guys bigger than Jay-Z has fought. I’m not even entirely sure Jay has fought or if he has back in his Marcy Project’s days, he won. I’ll assume, because I’m a fan of his, that he knows a little bit about fisticuffs, but I’m also going to assume based on what I saw in that elevator, Solange would be a formidable opponent.

So the next time someone is trying to give a man props for not hitting back on a woman who is laying into him like La Femme Nikita, consider this: Some men don’t fight a woman back because the only thing more humiliating than being a woman beater is being beaten up by a woman.

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Damon Young

Jozen Cummings is often referred to by many as the real-life Jozen Cummings. He's that real. He is a features reporter at the New York Post, where he is responsible for a weekly column called Meet Market. More importantly, he is the author and creator of Until I Get Married, and he hosts a monthly trivia night in Harlem called All Good Questions Trivia at Corner Social. He lives in Harlem, graduated from Howard University, and grew up in Seaside, California.

  • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

    *does Howard hand and disappears into the shadows*

    • Abhorsen

      * Joins A.P in the shadows *

      • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

        No.

  • Val

    Meh, Jay didn’t fight her because that’s his sister-in-law and he knew he would have never heard the end of it no matter how it turned out.

    Edit: Malik tells me that the vid is from a documentary and is out of context. So, sorry about that.

    • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

      Poor girl. I bet all she wanted was a hug

      • Val

        I read that she took a pic of him and he didn’t want her too.

    • RewindingtonMaximus

      That was a gif for sooooooo long

      • Val

        Really? I only saw this for the first time a couple of days ago.

        • RewindingtonMaximus

          Yea buddy, since like early 2000s, i think

          • Val

            They had gifs way back then?

            • RewindingtonMaximus

              Yup, gifs are 27 years old.

              You just had to have money back then to have the programs to create them.

              • Abhorsen

                I remember the Lord of the rings Gifs way back

                • RewindingtonMaximus

                  Yea man, there are some glorious historical gifs from back in the day

              • LMNOP

                Wait are you kidding? Gifs are not that old, I was alive 27 years ago and there were no computers back then.

                • esa

                  IBM
                  Commodore 64
                  TRS 80

                  i remember when the Mac was introduced. 1984 like Orwell said. it was a charming little thang ~*~

                  • LMNOP

                    There weren’t household computers though.

                    • esa

                      yeaa the Commodore 64, the IBM, and the Mac were household computers. we had em. TRS 80 was too big for alla that. but they had us feelinn like Matthew Broderick in War Games for a minute ~*~

                    • Sandpaper

                      I enjoyed my TRS 80. It fit nicely on my desk.

                    • LMNOP

                      Learn something new every day.

                  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                    A charming little thing that cost an obscene amount of money- in 1984…

                • RewindingtonMaximus

                  Do your research homie, you are thinking of the way gifs look today, but all technology evolves, clearly they didn’t look like movie clips when they first were created

            • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

              But back then people used them to make their name glow on their blackplanet page

    • Msdebbs

      I was just getting ready to post this again. This negro is no saint but he cant fight her because they stand to lose too much $$

    • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

      That’s from the documentary Backstage. I haven’t seen it in years but I remember in context people were saying they were play fighting but I don’t have the DVD to revisit it.

      • CrayolaGirl

        Yeah, that’s not real but people are goin to use it anyway to make a point…,Fu€k Jay-Z for not hitting Solange because he hit this woman (without a bit of context)

      • Val

        Okay, thanks.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

      That was him and his assistant playing around backstage in the documentary called, well, “Backstage”. They have the full movie to watch the scene in its entirety on YouTube- that is, if you are willing to pay $3.00 to see it.

      • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

        $3??? To see the entire film or that one part??

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

          It used to be free on YouTube- and then Google Play came around…

          • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

            I’ll be happy when Google stops snatching up everything in site. I hate start up monopoly companies. Jesus.

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

              Well, you’re probably going to hate AT&T buying DirecTV (Something I saw coming a few years ago, LOL!).

              • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

                You didn’t see that lol Black folk stay saying they saw something about to go down way back when.

                • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                  Here’s why I say that: When AT&T was competing with Charter over their bundle services, they couldn’t go the cable route (FCC issues and restrictions). They also didn’t (and still don’t) have AT&T U-verse available everywhere, so they went in business with DirecTV for the television service. Over time, the company extended their partnership with them. When AT&T bought stakes in the company, I knew they were going to make a move on them sooner or later. AT&T has been known to take over businesses they were once affiliated with (See: BellSouth, for example). My father used to work for AT&T for almost 30 years, so I knew all about that business and their practices, LOL!

                  • afronica

                    Do you know what the hold up is with the U-verse roll out? It seems to either be happening very slowly or to have stalled, a la Verizon FIOS.

                    And speaking of FIOS, it looks like Verizon has ended roll out of that completely. I’m assuming it was a money thing, but do you know if they found installing fiber to be more expensive than they anticipated or they weren’t getting enough subscribers to make it worthwhile?

                    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                      “Do you know what the hold up is with the U-verse roll out? It seems to either be happening very slowly or to have stalled, a la Verizon FIOS.”

                      It’s a combination of two things:

                      The first is the fact that U-verse’s service is centered around internet access. That poses a problem being that all other services are broadcast by way of cable and satellite. There’s bugs that constantly needed to be fixed- such as the repeated buffering during a live broadcast.

                      Another issue- aside from grid wiring issues that vary from city to city- is the equipment itself. The equipment is one that is designated to one household. They are trying to get past the service problem. That problem being that if a person doesn’t pay their bill, the equipment gets turned off and has to be replaced with another set of equipment. That is a very long and tedious process to go through and they are trying to find a way around that.

                      “And speaking of FIOS, it looks like Verizon has ended roll out of that completely. I’m assuming it was a money thing, but do you know if they found installing fiber to be more expensive than they anticipated or they weren’t getting enough subscribers to make it worthwhile?”

                      It’s a little of both, but it’s leaning more toward the latter. A lot of that has to do with them and their problems with blocking content- a common complaint with their customers. They also have bugs they have to work out as well (The same one that AT&T has- service by way of internet access).

                      They also have tried to keep their prices low, but…you know…it’s Verizon- that’s not happening, LOL!

                    • afronica

                      That was a very clear explanation, much more clear than I’ve found other places. Thanks, PA (at least I think this is PA)!

                    • Val

                      Lol. I was wondering if it was PA too.

                    • afronica

                      Speech patterns will tell. I find them fascinating, like your sussing out Sahel’s use of “am.”

                    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                      Yeah, it’s me- I didn’t think anyone would notice, LMAO!!!!

                    • afronica

                      Yay! It’s PA! Was wondering where you got to. Hoped you hadn’t quit us again.

                      Also, why wouldn’t you think anyone would notice? You’re pretty distinctive, you know?

                    • Medium Meech

                      Weird, when I post here under different names nobody notices. Interesting responses though. I guess my speech patterns are too generic.

                    • afronica

                      #Actually, there have been a couple of times in the past when I have wondered if certain names/avis were Meechifying. Hmmm… So you like to hide in plain sight. *nods*

                    • Medium Meech

                      I just like to see the difference in responses when people don’t e-know you.

  • nillalatte

    “no man should physically touch a woman, and even if he is being attacked
    by one, he needs to find the most non-violent way possible to diffuse
    it.”

    Bravo!

    I have a friend in Miami, a detective and private bodyguard, and he started punking Jayz hard on FB. Oh, boy, we went at it until he fessed up and said he gave J credit for not striking her. I noted that the bodyguard stopped the elevator which he agreed with saying he’d want to keep the encounter private. Which then got me to thinking at what level would he have had to put on his badge and get involved as an officer instead of a bodyguard had he been there?

    The *WEAK* man hits a woman, not the other way around. I also believe there are exceptions because, well, you have the right to defend yourself in an attack. I still believe J did exactly what a man should in that exact situation; he deflected her attempts, pushed her away from him, and even when he got slapped, he sucked it up and kept moving. Mrs. Carter raised a good man.

    • RewindingtonMaximus

      I don’t really see anything special about the scenario. Its vlear by everyone’s actions. This happened before. All it proves is Mr. & Mrs Carter know how to pose for cameras at all times, them being good people is a different matter altogether

      • nillalatte

        Wow. Such animosity.

        • RewindingtonMaximus

          Maybe. I don’t trust this stuff. Its all too convenient. Polar ice caps.melting, thousands of fish dead in the Pacific Ocean, crazy weather all over the world, and this month is the month The Bey Family geta caught?

          Can’t trust it like the PE song.

          • TheOtherJerome

            So your saying since Michael Jackson is too dead to take on another kid for the good of the nation, Jay and the Family Hov have to step up and be a distraction? LOL

            • RewindingtonMaximus

              Yes indeed, the conspiracies live on!!!!

      • CrayolaGirl

        Isn’t part of their job to pose for the cameras? When you go to work, personal problems are left at the door and picked up on the way out.

        • RewindingtonMaximus

          We would all assume that, but yet we love it when stars spazz out in front of cameras and lose their professionalism…because no one can be that professional at all times

    • Val

      He wasn’t such a good man when he was hitting a teenaged girl though.

      Edit: well, NIlla, Malik says the video is from a documentary and that scene is out of context. Which is cool since it was kind of unnerving to think he would have done that. So, never mind. Lol

      • nillalatte

        I saw the video Val. And, no, that wasn’t right either. But, IMO, that wasn’t a ‘hit’ either. He basically shoved the girl. Still not a good look and people do stumble. Maybe it shows some maturity has occurred with J.

      • rooseveltdunn

        Lol your absolutism and bias rival Obsidian’s…he did not hit her, he shoved her what he did was nowhere near what we saw Solange do. You are being a sophist.

        • nillalatte

          Sorry dude, violence is not my thing, but I do happen to recognize there are levels of violence. Some worse than others. And, to be compared to Obsidian is offensive. Thanks.

          • rooseveltdunn

            That reply was for Val not you Nilla lol

            • nillalatte

              My bad. Thanks.

    • Sandpaper

      So a good man is one who doesn’t mind being assaulted? Where is your condemnation of her criminal behavior?

      • rooseveltdunn

        People will not condemn double standards they benefit from. Men and women both do this. It’s unfortunate because it reduces what could be meaningful discourse to red herrings and cheap rhetoric.

        • Sandpaper

          Shameful, ain’t it?

          • IcePrincess

            Yes

      • nillalatte

        Please don’t put words in my mouth or presume you know me. Nothing to the such was stated or implied. A ‘good man’ diffuses the situation. I believe her behavior to be criminal because from what I saw she started the physical confrontation. Don’t ever try to play me like that again.

  • RewindingtonMaximus

    A) Solange can’t fight
    B) Jay can’t fight (boxing don’t count since he technically would.not box anyone in this situation)
    C) Beyonce is an f-ing robot, lets stop the madness
    D) It doesn’t matter whether or not Jay didn’t retailiate, forget it being a loss no matter the decision, THIS IS SOLANGE, where do you find a win in her life….ever?

    And lastly….Solange can’t fight. Since when did her rich a s s ever get in a fight? She ain’t from Brownsville or Decatur, ain’t never been hood in her life, been pampred since she was in pampers, this nonsense needs to stop ASAP.

    • Abhorsen

      True,Solange is not hood..maybe it was the alcohol. How many times have i seen alcohol promote false toughness and people wake up without teeth

      • RewindingtonMaximus

        Could be that…but like i said, its clear this isn’t her first time getting buck, so its clear she’s got a problem from the get go.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

        I see this all the time in Auburn. The next time it happens, I’m posting video footage just for the LULZ!

    • LMNOP

      I watch TV sometimes, and based on that I would say rich people can be violent too, although they seem more likely to kill someone than get in a fist fight. At least in the shows I watch.

      • RewindingtonMaximus

        I don’t doubt all humans have violent tendencies, but all rich people just don’t have refined violent skills, ergo I KNOW THAT BROAD CAN’T FIGHT.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

      “B) Jay can’t fight (boxing don’t count since he technically would.not box anyone in this situation)”

      Nope…but he can stab…

      *looks at Lance “Un” Rivera*

      • RewindingtonMaximus

        Nah….he no longer has hood homies to help him out and Beans would X his a s s out if he even tried to pick up the phone. The old Jay-Z is gone, once you drop something like Empire State of Mind, no more box cutters under the tounge for you sir.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

          I think the old Jay disappeared long before “Empire State Of Mind”. I’ll say “Kingdom Come” is where he lost the old him- for very obvious reasons (That was his “rich man” album, LOL).

          • RewindingtonMaximus

            Nah he still had OG hustlers vouching for him during that time. But after he got up in the Nets acquisition and was posing everywhere with Beyonce, it got cloudy from there

    • http://TheNewEve.com/ Bunni

      Rich ppl throw hands, dont get it twisted…a couple extra zeros in your bank account doesnt mean you dont know how to toss a bish or two….

      • RewindingtonMaximus

        You still needs skills to fight, anyone can throw hands hust like anyone can get that a s s whipped, but how much practice have you had? How often you had to get them knuckles dirty? Rich people make their own drama, that’s the only reason they gor issues

        • http://TheNewEve.com/ Bunni

          i disagree….you dont need to fight constantly to have skill, and ppl have drama regardless of income. You either have skill or you dont. My cousin is the epitome of trust fund suburb baby, but I have witnessed her take down a bish not once, not twice, but four times in her life…the time span was like every 7yrs tho lol…shes not the type to fight, but when she has to, she does–and she wins.

          • Epsilonicus

            You can definitely lose it though Remember, a sword loses its edge if not used.

            • http://TheNewEve.com/ Bunni

              eh, depends on the kind of skill we’re tahmbout. If you’re 5ft 10, built like a brickhouse and earned a black belt, chances are high that you’ll fair well in any fight regardless of time lol

              • Epsilonicus

                Any black belt worth their salt will tell you there is always a chance they can get slumped.

                • http://TheNewEve.com/ Bunni

                  ANYONE can get got. Thats a given. My ultimate point is that income is no qualifier for skill. Like my friend says, the best fighters are the ones with nothing to lose

                • http://justfourguys.com Obsidian

                  @Mr. Eps:
                  True that.

                  By the way, I wanted to thank you for all that you said yesterday during my “trial”, LOL. It’s arare Man who stands up for principle these days, I am sad to say. My respect for you went through the roof. We may continue to disagree, but always know that I will always recognize your standing up for Democratic and Academic norms.

                  O.

                  • Epsilonicus

                    The key to your integrity is not how you practice your values to the people you agree with, but how you practice those values when engaging with people you do not agree with.

                    • http://justfourguys.com Obsidian

                      @Mr. Eps:
                      Agreed, good sir – spoken like a true, classic Libran.

                      O.

          • RewindingtonMaximus

            Ok…this will be a agree to disagree scenario because i don’t have an experience like that. Not all poor people are good fighters, not all rich people suck at fighting. But my life never has shown me rich people who know how to fight

            • http://TheNewEve.com/ Bunni

              Diff life experiences teaches us diff things…best fights i’ve seen in my life have been btw ppl with tall money and attorneys lol

              • RewindingtonMaximus

                And the best ones I’ve seen have been over Jansport strings and chicken wings

            • Damon Young

              “Ok…this will be a agree to disagree acenario because i don’t have an experience like yhat. Not all poor people are good fighters, not all rich people suck at fighting. But my life never has shown me rich people who know how to fight”

              thing is, being rich or poor doesn’t stop it from hurting when you get hit. an angry punch from anyone — even a 11 year old boy — will stun the f*ck out of anyone. and when you’re stunned like that, anything can happen. especially if you’re against someone who’s angry.

              • RewindingtonMaximus

                Agreed, but I’m still using experience as key. Getting hit will hurt, but when fighting someone inexperienced, they will never think to hurt you where it counts the most.

                Sure that 11-year old boy might aim for the nuts but had he been in a scrap or two before, he’d know dead center in the chest is a way better target. Being unpredictable only works when your target doesn’t know how good you are at what you’re doing.

        • esa

          yea. i wouldnt underestimate violence at the hands of the wealthy. my girl was almost killed on a yacht in Miami. just because he used pills and tried to drown her doesnt make it any less brutal.

          • RewindingtonMaximus

            Being violent and being skillfully violent are two different things in my eyes. Not saying rich people can’t be skillfully violent, but that sense of desperation that people who aren’t rich show when they fight just shows me a different outlook

          • IcePrincess

            Someone rufied me in Miami, but I got away.

            • LeeLee

              Thank you for sharing this. I am so happy you got away, girl! I’m traveling this weekend and the first thing my mom says is, “watch your drinks.” I shook my head and ignored her because I just wanted to think about having fun. But dag, it’s real out here.

              • IcePrincess

                Yup, it is. And don’t think it only happens at seedy places or whatever. It happend to me at the fountainbleu hilton.

                • Keisha

                  Glad you lived to tell the story! Ppl look at me crazy when I cover the top of my drink with a napkin…I’m not trying to get got. Like you said, it can happen when you least expect it!

            • Epsilonicus

              Dudes on my college campus were getting rufied my senior year and ending up naked on the lawn.

              • IcePrincess

                Uuum…. That sounds a lil suss, Eps ;)

                • Epsilonicus

                  I was an RA that year and they had us out in force on campus to find out what was going on.

              • Val

                Was that done by other guys supposedly as some sort of prank?

                • Epsilonicus

                  It was done by dudes who had no affiliation with the college. There was no evidence of rape though

            • Val

              Wow, IP, sorry that happened to you. Glad you got away.

              • IcePrincess

                Thanx gurl. That’s one advantage to years of partying….. He underestimated my high tolerance.

          • LeeLee

            Omg! I’m glad she wasn’t killed. Sad to say but everyone is capable of anything under certain circumstances. We all have a dark side. I just choose daily not to feed mine.

            • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

              I express anger through music :-)

  • Abhorsen

    Am more curious as to why this was such a big deal. Is it because they are in the public eye that they ought to be role models.

    • Val

      No, it’s because they do so much work to have a clean public profile and are so guarded about their private lives. So, people were intrigued to see a glimpse of a non-scripted moment.

      • Abhorsen

        Oh,how unfortunate.

    • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

      Why don’t you ever say “I am”? or possible I’m

      • Abhorsen

        Laziness mostly

        • Val

          No, it’s not laziness. It’s something else. It takes just as much energy to type “am” as it does to type “I’m”. I’m thinking it’s a dialect thing. Right?

          • Abhorsen

            Probably

            • Sandpaper

              Can’t even type the way you want to. What will they complain about next?

              • Kema

                Your avi is too dark. So is your comment. Why did you have to start your comment with the word “Can’t”. Definitely not positive.

                • Sandpaper

                  Hush, your Highness.

        • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

          I’m charging you to be and do better. Use the proper pronouns “I” “I’m” “I am”.

      • LehcarB

        Every African I know uses ‘Am’ instead of ‘I’m’

        • LMNOP

          Clue to sahel’s location?

          • LehcarB

            The harder question is which country is he from? He denies Botswana.

            • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

              Maybe she’s really from Detroit

              • LehcarB

                I peep the she used.LOL

              • Joel

                Rude. I’m from Detroit and I speak very well. lol

          • Abhorsen

            This has to stop,my location and nationality is null

            • http://nyangistyle.blogspot.com/ Anyango

              Eritrea/Ethiopia/Djibouti?

          • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

            She’s from Poland possibly?

        • Rex_Magnus

          Sidenote: that’s how you can spot the Nigerian scammers on dating websites – little quirks in their language like “am” instead of “I’m”, or “I *will* like” instead of “I would like”, etc.

    • afronica

      To me, it was a big deal because
      – seeing a woman of some means and celebrity attack one of biggest black male celebs is unusual
      – Beyonce basically took more notice of adjusting her dress than what went down (she looked utterly bored) and that’s a bit odd
      – all of these people are related
      – two of these people are married to each other, so if Jay and Bey’s marriage hits the rocks, Solange will be seen as one of the reasons why whether that’s the truth or not
      – it’s the equivalent of being at a ratchet family reunion after all the Icehouse, Beefeater and Old Crow have been consumed (that’s when things get “fun”)

  • Msdebbs

    Solange is a loose cannon. This maybe the first time we’ve seen her get physical but its not the first time she went off on someone. If JayZ wasn’t married to Yonce he would’ve beat the breaks off of Solange . Lets not forget his past and where he came from. I kind of feel bad for Beyonce. She’s built a brand and an image for herself and her sister went and effed it up.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

      “This maybe the first time we’ve seen her get physical but its not the first time she went off on someone.”

      Those round of interviews she did for her second album over five years ago? SMH…

      • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

        Omg the anchor was so disrespectful with Solange’s name and calling her out like that though.

    • IcePrincess

      Yup. She’s a nut. Been one.

  • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

    A few thoughts:

    – That Jay Z and Beyonce aren’t a “perfect” couple shouldn’t be a shock. We have all known that couple that put up a nice front for the public to have it all fall apart behind the scenes. Heck, a decent number of us have *been* that couple a few times.

    – This obviously isn’t Solange’s first time at the rodeo. Based on her sister and brother in law’s reactions, you get a sense of “here comes that BS again!” We have all had that family member or friend who stayed married to the foolishness, and Solange seems to be that family member.

    – A man being attached by a woman in a confined space is the ultimate no-win. At least in an open setting, a man can run away. Plus if he ends up having to hit a girl, the fact that he tried to get away from the situation makes him look better from a social and legal perspective. In a confined space, it’s either get your tail whipped or become a woman beater with nothing in the middle.

    This was just an awkward, painful situation. Well, at least we know the Carters are real human beings.

    • Asiyah

      “This obviously isn’t Solange’s first time at the rodeo. Based on her
      sister and brother in law’s reactions, you get a sense of “here comes
      that BS again!” We have all had that family member or friend who stayed
      married to the foolishness, and Solange seems to be that family member.”

      That’s what I got out of this, too, which only makes it worse. They’re enabling her behavior and she’ll never face real repercussions as a result.

      • afronica

        Eventually, Solange will do something real out of pocket to a civilian and someone will record it on their cell phone. There will be an ugly trial she can’t wish away and probably jail time. If someone would call her on her issues now, perhaps that could be avoided. But that’s not the road any of them are choosing.

        • Asiyah

          Agreed!

  • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

    1. I’m not giving credit to a grown man for not hitting a woman
    2. Solange was just kicking and swinging in an enclosed area, nothing about it said she can fight
    3. The bodyguard should’ve turned her the other way, he assisted her bicycle kick

  • http://theurbanpolitico.com/ Shady Grady

    Everyone has the right to defend themselves when they are being assaulted. There is no law limiting this on the basis of gender nor should there be. If you’re grown enough to throw a punch then you ought to be prepared to take one. Women can be dangerous just like men can be. There’s no excuse for violence no matter who commits it, man or woman. If the man in the below story had been willing to defend himself he might be alive today. But at least he didn’t hit a woman right…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619455/Pregnant-woman-24-stabbed-boyfriend-death-didnt-buy-shopping-trip.html

    • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

      Jay Z did defend himself though. Just because he didn’t invoke the spirit of Sugar Ray Robinson and kill her with his hands doesn’t mean he didn’t defend himself.

      • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

        Malik gets it

      • Kema

        Apparently its not defending yourself if you dont knock em out.

        • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

          I honestly think people who say things like that haven’t ever been in fight before

          • http://trulytafakari.com/ dara

            o

            me.

            • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

              At least you’re honest. Fighting isn’t fun. No one is thinking straight. I still commend Jay for handling all this the way he did. I don’t handle getting hit by other adults well.

              • http://trulytafakari.com/ dara

                I don’t know what’s really deterred people from trying me to the point where THEY want to hit ME. I have a non-escalation policy. I will hop, skip, run, jump away from a situation before I throw hands or let people throw hands on me. If I do ever get in a fight, I’ll defend myself, but I’ve never had to. Maybe I just look too “easy” to try?

                • http://brown-c6h12o6.tumblr.com/ RubyWooWho

                  That’s not a bad thing. I’d rather people consider me a non-threat than to decide to square up just to flex. I have said it on here before, I do not fight fair. I’m going to hit you with a heavy object, sharp object, etc. I do not have the height, weight, or skills to engage in hand to hand combat with any chance of winning. My fight/flight response takes over and I “fight to kill” for lack of a better term.

                  • http://trulytafakari.com/ dara

                    #ShovelGang

                    • IcePrincess

                      Bwahahaaaaa you talmbout that video wit the white girls

      • afronica

        Did Jay-Z have the right to hit her, like knock her out?

        • Epsilonicus

          If that is what it takes to end the threat against his safety then yes.

          • afronica

            I know what you think, and I agree with you. I’m trying to see what Malik-a-Ricky thinks.

        • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

          He had a legal right to hit her. I’m sketchy on the law about whether he specifically had the moral right to defend himself to the extent of injuring the offending party to a state far beyond what was/could of been done to him. If you mean moral right? No, not given the context of the situation. The context being his height and weight versus hers in addition to the fact that a security guard was there to break up any altercations.

          • afronica

            Fair enough. Thanks for responding.

      • http://theurbanpolitico.com/ Shady Grady

        Who said he should kill her? I say that no one should lay hands on another adult. But if someone hits you you have every right to hit them back.

  • Tentpole

    We know the name Beyonce, we know the name Jay-Z, now let me introduce Solange to the world. What betterway to get a reality show then stage a fight in an elevator. Show of hands, how many people didn’t know that elevators have cameras in them. We didn’t this fight in the room, in the limo, or somewhere without cameras? How many time have we seen violence between celebrities used to increase their profile. Lets remember how wide reaching Ri popularity went after Chris Brown. Nobody remembers how many yards OJ ran, but we all know about Nicole.

    • IcePrincess

      Meh. I wouldn’t go that far to say it was a calculated career move. Indeed, everybody does kno there’s cameras in elevators. I think that in the heat of the moment, negative two fukcs were given. Plus, this is jus a temporary spotlight on solange. She been workin on her struggle career forever, to no avail. Nobody cares bout her cuz she wack, period. What’s that phrase panama be saying? Everyone came to see Otis? Yea.

      • Tentpole

        It’s no different than an episode of Basketball wives. I wouldn’t be suprised to see some reality show copy the situation for their own ratings.

    • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

      Wouldn’t go that far but i could see a #Holdmeback moment, if you’re ever gonna pop off best to do it in an elevator with security, witnesses and a camera