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Twitter And The 2016 Presidential Debate: A Match Made In Hell

There are a few instances in my life where I was keenly aware that I was making the wrong decision; when I bought a ticket to see Batman vs Superman, when I decided to drink two cups of a mysterious alcoholic beverage named ‘Blue Muthafuckas’, when I said “I do”…..

Every time I can recall swallowing a lump in my throat, ignoring the knots developing in the pit of my stomach, and drowning out the voices crying “you don’t have to do this” echoing in my brain.

I experienced these same feelings when I decided to watch the last painful installment of the 2016 presidential debate with Twitter. Maybe I’m a masochist, maybe I just decided to throw caution to the wind because I was avoiding finishing my laundry by any means necessary. Maybe both. Nonetheless I willingly subjected myself to what I can only assume is the last segment of one of the least substantive presidential debates of modern times. Now I can admit, I might be a little short sighted here. This is only the third presidential election I’ve been able to partake in and I don’t remember any of the Gore vs Bush debates, and even the Obama vs McCain/Obama vs Romney debates are kind of a blur at this point.

However, I don’t recall being this amazed at the sheer lack of substantive talking points, sound bytes, and commentary surrounding a presidential debate as I’ve been this year.

Obviously there might be a bigly tangerine reason for that. Donald Trump is a uniquely inept, ignorant, inarticulate and unqualified presidential candidate. Not that he’s alone in regards to his ignorance, Reagan is said to have been the most unprepared presidential candidate to ever enter the White House. Peggy Noonan (God forgive me for quoting Peggy Noonan) once called his mind a “barren terrain.” When recalling conversations he’d have with Reagan about the MX missile, Indiana congressman Lee Hamilton reported “Reagan’s only contribution throughout the entire hour and a half was to interrupt somewhere at midpoint to tell us he’d watched a movie the night before, and he gave us the plot from War Games.” The president “cut ribbons and made speeches. He did these things beautifully.” So while Trump’s wanton ignorance about all the issues you’d think a president should have a good grasp on is appalling, it is by no means a political anomaly. Despite the apocalyptic rhetoric you might be bombarded with by folks hell bent on convincing everyone to participate in this election, Trump is not alone in his dangerous stupidity touching the hem of the position that is commander-in-chief.

The largest difference between Trump and his other criminally unknowledgable predecessors is that unlike them, he is not a politician. There is no polish, no focus, no political performance acumen to be seen. He is a reality TV star, and thus the presidential debates are no more than a Real Housewives reunion special without the expert antagonism of Andy Cohen, or a third of the entertainment value. The tangerine menace is largely worried about lobbing zingers reminiscent of his famed days in The Apprentice boardroom. Hillary is …doing this bizarre animatron like routine of attempting to be personable, run defense, and returning fire. What we’re left with is an awful off-Broadway rendition of political theater. A joke, one of the worst offerings of presidential platform discussions I’ve ever witnessed.

Just when you think things couldn’t get more nauseating, enter Twitter. Twitter enthusiastically liquefies and filters these bile filled stews called debates through a colander of melanated millennial jargon, and tired pop culture references. Every abysmal Trump quip is met with reaction gifs, and 140 characters of scorn. If you listen closely enough you can hear the sonic boom that is the collective percussion of keyboard pounding from professional and self appointed ‘fact checkers’ committed to rebuffing every untruth that spills from the slit in Donald’s face that forms two arguable lips. Hilary’s reactions are memefied, gif-ed, personalized and looped immediately. Twitter’s most ardent protectors of Black popular culture and AAVE offer her its most popular contributions. By the end of the debate Hillary was ‘slaying, and reading’, her edges were laid, and she was getting in Formation with the Negro populace for a glass of Lemonade while pulling up A Seat At The Table. Her face expertly photoshopped in seminal Black pop culture visuals, all in a bizarre attempt to synthesize her otherwise unrelatable qualities.

Hashtags (usually created as reactions to the new stupid thing Trump said) are hatched and the #ImWithHer acolytes beam over their analytics and soon to be subsequent Buzzfeed and Huffington Post ‘what twitter said’ writeups. Trumpbot accounts assuming the identity of random minorities or armed with obligatory dog, egg, and eagle avis litter the timeline with screeches about Benghazi, Obama, and deleted emails. Pundits unconvincingly try to offer a pragmatic evaluation of the candidate’s performance, humoring the delusion that Donald offered intelligible sentences of which to dissect, or that Hilary offered anything but an arguably competent showing. The sideshow that is Trump is such a orange obfuscation that these debates are failing to confront Hilary with substantive and valid questions, which is unfortunate because it’s extremely likely she will be the next POTUS. Significant subjects are either merely grazed, or wholly ignored, and the conversations surrounding these spectacles have the depth of a thimble. Perhaps I am being naive when I assert that it seems like the quality of political commentary and discussion has dramatically declined. I might sound like a fist waving disgruntled baby boomer when I say I think the compulsion to deliver rapid response witticisms during debates is a huge disservice that is encouraged by Twitter. And its very likely that I’m being extremely cynical when I say that much like he has served the ratings and interests of traditional media, The Donald is just as essential to feeding the non-stop response engine that is Twitter.com and all those who wish to monetize off it’s assembly line of reactions.

If not for the tangerine menace, ‘Nasty Woman, tshirts, and ‘Grab Her By The Brain’ merch would not have materialized. He is the cash cow, not Hillary. It is fascinating to watch the very people that lament about abhorring what they deem the unacceptable behavior of the political anti-christ somehow profiting off his despicableness. But that irony might be emblematic of what this race is, isn’t it? A sadistic joke, a circus of sideshows and neither the performers or the audience display much of any self awareness. A sad, disgraceful spectacle, whose contributions to the annals of political history can only be found in gifs, tweets, meme’s, t-shirts, a shameless exploitative parade of alleged rape and sexual assault victims, and the rise and fall of Ken Bone.

I really thought hell would be more lit. :-(

Danielle Butler

Danielle Butler is a 30-ish yr old LA/Chicago hybrid whose mutant powers include shit talking, procrastinating, and relating any topic to food. Her favorite pastimes include watching Spongebob with her son, yelling at her cat, and lying about working on her book of short stories.

  • RaeNBow

    i had some really good laughs off the #TrumpBookReport hashtag …. but twitter is a dangerous place it can go really left, really fast. i watched the debate with a GroupMe team lol

    • mr. steal your costco samples

      lol THE GRAPES …so MUCH WRATH …believe me.

      Twitter has been a lifesaver during this election, just stay away from them damn Pepes

      • Tambra

        Well this is a man who thinks he has the youth and millennial vote because he loves to tweet.

  • Annalise Keating

    “The largest difference between Trump and his other criminally unknowledgable predecessors is that unlike them, he is not a politician.”

    Glad I am not the only one who feels this way.

  • Brass Tacks

    That first paragraph tho…

    • Tambra

      Well nothing is wrong with owning up to your mistakes.

    • RaeNBow

      bruh i wanted to ask about this “i Do…” thing sooooooooo bad

      • Brass Tacks

        She should expound, and also share her thoughts on cuffing season.

        Or she could just do the latter.

        I’m not picky.

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          It would be a very powerful piece of writing on its own.

          As opposed to a throwaway line meant to be funny, but in hindsight, clearly distracting

          • Kas

            If you’ve ever been divorced, it’s not distracting. It’s more of a “yep” and keep it moving.

            • RaeNBow

              really? people i know who have gone through divorce kind of run the gamut. like some people are “oh. well. moving right on” and others are DEVASTATED and crushed and effed up for years.

              ETA: i value your opinion Kas, but i need more perspectives

              • Kas

                In my case there were some clear signs up front that I ignored. At one point, I had called the wedding off because she was trying to make me choose between her and a female friend of mine that predated our relationship.

                • RaeNBow

                  this is very interesting…. i always wonder how people still make it down the aisle after those “called the wedding off” scenarios…

                  also, are you still friends with the particular woman in question now?

                  • Kas

                    No, though I’m still FB friends with her sister and cousin.

                    • RaeNBow

                      why aren’t y’all friends anymore? you gave in to your ex-wife’s ultimatum?

                    • Kas

                      Really no need to be friends. We aren’t enemies or anything (at least not to my knowledge). However, I saw her a few years back at the gym, and said I would catch up with her before I left. Finished my work out and she was nowhere to be found. Perhaps she does hate/dislike me. Shrug.

                    • RaeNBow

                      oh, wait, i think we’re talking bout two different things. i mean are you friends with the female the ex-wife wanted u to cut off. not are you friends with the ex-wife

                    • Kas

                      Oh gotcha. Yes, we are still friends.

                    • RaeNBow

                      oh ok. and u were ready to call the WHOLE wedding off over that ultimatum? so WHYYYYY did you go through with it? that is such a huge red flag to me that i can’t understand why you or your ex walked down the aisle. did you feel like you were at a certain age and you just needed to go ahead and get married?

                    • Kas

                      Actually I did call it off. She caved on the point and we were back on. We should have kept it off.

                    • RaeNBow

                      wow. excuse me for the intrusiveness. just found the scenario quite fascinating.

                    • Kas

                      I have no problem with questions. The divorce didn’t leave me a broken (half broke though) bitter man. I’ve shared much more painful stories in the comment section.

                    • mr. steal your costco samples

                      it wasn’t isht with my first, it would be painful now esp. since we got kids

                    • Kas

                      Same here.

            • Brooklyn_Bruin

              Luckily I have not.

              In the context of that sentence, a good writer puts herself in the Timberland’s of the reader.

              Reader empathy is not just for trigger warnings on sensitive topics. It’s for effective communication of ideas.

        • TheCollinB

          That picture is telling you a thousand words huh?

          • Brass Tacks

            I am hurt that you would think of my offer of court…er friendship as an attempt at GTD.

            I’m merely offering a shoulder to cry on, a chest to lay on, and/or a stomach from which she could literally strum her pain on.

            It’s not always about me, CollinB.

            • TheCollinB

              it sounds like you’re inviting her to your body party my G.

            • Scorpiogoddess??

              Wait. Why you being so kind with your body?

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Over sharing?
      Perverse humble bragging?
      Millennial disease?
      Cry for help?
      Making it about herself?

      • Kas

        I see what you did there

        • Annalise Keating

          I don’t really see it. Please could you break it down for us slow folks..

          • Kas

            Seriously?

            • Annalise Keating

              Yup. Besides potentially “the making it about herself” which I don’t think it’s bad to start with a personal anecdote, I don’t really get it. But as I said, I am slow.

              • Kas

                Jazmine Sullivan from the dead homies post

                • Annalise Keating

                  Oh. Ok. I didn’t read that post. Thanks for clearing that up.

      • TheCollinB

        Jazmine Sullivan?

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          The level of entitlement in that Sullivan post.

          • TheCollinB

            I hate it had to be here cause she does it for me vocally but at this point I wouldn’t pass her the Siracha at the buffet

      • DarkSkint Dostoevsky

        I might have missed the new definitions of ‘humble bragging’ and when a seeing a bad movie, getting a hangover, and a past marriage became things of which to ‘perversely’ humble brag about. ?
        I frequently joke about my bad decision making skills, it’s just a humurous anecdote?

    • TheCollinB

      These truths she holds to be self evident Bruh.

  • Negro Libre

    George Carlin once made a joke that the best media platform for getting a sense of what America was like, was the Jerry Springer show. It seems twitter is what happens to Jerry Springer contestants when they are able to act with total anonymity.

  • Sarah Ohara

    Probably the realest article I’ve read about the coverage of this election. I’ve been stanning for Hillary for a while now, but I love the realism and nuance you bring to the discussion. Because the truth is, Hillary is hard to relate to. She’s been in politics for 30+ years as a high-level player in serious political business. That kind of life is alien to most of us; of course she’s hard to relate to. But it’s like we can’t deal with that, so we do the work (of being relatable) for her by framing her in pop culture. It makes you wonder why do we need that? Why do we need our leaders to reflect us in that way? Why can’t we root for her as she is—a very dry, very disciplined, very hardworking career politician with some political baggage and the personality of a sensible pair of loafers.

    • TheCollinB

      We can’t root for her as she is because most of us don’t know what it’s like to have that level of dedication and discipline to something. i don’t say that to knock the average man/woman but she operates and manages herself on a different level. A very presidential quality really. You’ve got to be above the fray in that position.

        • DM.

          She has a TON of failures under her belt (Egypt, Libya, the entire ‘Arab Spring’) but she’s probably gonna be a much more effective pres than Obama (who had no friends on the Hill and clearly knew nothing about politics outside of speeches)

          • A TON of failures!! talking ’bout mistakes… mistakes don’t cost folks their lives. You don ‘t get a do over.

          • Kas

            So we are putting the entire Middle East on Hill? Got it.

            • mr. steal your costco samples

              yeah, I can’t believe she didn’t bring peace to the Middle East which has been a beacon of stability for the last 40 years

              • Kas

                This is why we can’t have constructive arguments.

            • DM.

              Nah, just Libya and Egypt (both in Africa)

              • Kas

                So Arab Spring was just a throwaway line?

            • Annalise Keating

              What about her extremely careless handling (the FBIs words not mine) of classified and confidential emails AnD not knowing which
              emails were classified and or confidential towards the end of her term as Secretary of State. This is after having been a senator for 8 years. This is especially scary given the context of her position at the time and the potential repercussions some of this classified information could have if it gets in the wrong hands. My BFF got fired for sending one email to an unsecured server and she worked at an oil company.

              OR not identifying and eliminating the conflict of interest situation with the Clinton foundation (when she was Secretary of State) despite prior warnings to do so. I don’t really believe all the pay to play stuff the republican machine is pushing but at the very beat she was was very sloppy with this

              I could go on and on and on and on…

              • Nortey

                PREACH MY AFRIKAN SISTA

                • Annalise Keating

                  LOL. Wait till the Hilary stans descend upon me?

              • Kas

                I am curious as to your thoughts on her term in the Senate.

                • Annalise Keating

                  Bro you are trying to get me killed! But imma stick my head under the guilotine anyway. ?
                  My biggest critic is that her term as senator was marked by failure and ineffectiveness. Stans will proclaim “Hilary gets sh*t done!” But her term as senator proves otherwise. See article
                  http://observer.com/2016/04/new-york-has-done-more-for-hillary-than-she-has-for-new-yorkers/
                  What this article doesn’t mention is that she promised to help create 200,000 Jobs in upstate New York when she ran for senate. Not only did she help create 0 jobs upstate, they actually lost jobs under her term as senator.
                  Stans will give all kinds of excuses for why this (and every other promise that Hilary makes) was impossible to fulfill. “The obstacles were insurmountable!” ” Hilary cannot make jobs, she doesn’t control something as unpredictable as the economy!” You name it, I have heard it all. Then why make the promises? Especially a seasoned politician who knows what is achievable and what isn’t. Also to give her some credit, she did introduce some legislation and obtain some federal funding for things to address the issue. But they did not work. Which goes back to my point on ineffectiveness. Does she really know what it takes to get sh*t done????
                  They will say “oh well she is a politician, most politicians lie.” And it’s ok if other people accept this but I am sick of lies and liars.
                  Before BLM became a national movement, police brutality was a very big hot button topic and discussion in New York City: with cases like abner louima, Ahmadu diallo, Sean bell e.t.c Hilary promised police reform (just like she is promising now). She even used the diallo case as a campaign issue (just like she is using BLM). Watching her second debate with Trump on this topic was eerily reminiscent of her arguments with Guilani back then. What police reform legislation did she introduce to or get passed in congress??? I am still looking for it. If someone out there can find it, please share it.
                  *Cue the lecture from Hilary stans on what it takes to pass a bill in congress*

                  • Kas

                    Thanks for this. I didn’t follow what she did or didn’t accomplish as a Senator. Out of curiosity, are there any high level politicians that you feel walk their talk so to speak?

                    • Annalise Keating

                      Honestly I don’t know of any politicians who walk the walk. But that is largely because I haven’t really followed politics closely outside of my local elections in New York so I don’t really know many politicians at all. Hilary is an exception because she was a senator in my home state for 8 years. And I have followed this presidential election (Trump and Hilary) closely because
                      it has been entertaining albeit sad (I am ashamed to admit this),
                      my being forced to take the trash that is obamacare (just my opinion) for the last 2 years
                      And the astronomical (in my opinion) amount i have paid in taxes the last 2 years
                      made me realize that I need to pay closer attention to who I vote for as president.
                      The sad thing is that it was all a waste of time because looking at the candidates closely only made me realize I don’t want to vote.

                    • Kas

                      Cackles sadly along with you.

      • NonyaB?

        There is something to be said for being in a dirty field for over 3 decades and not being blown up. Given the amount of dislike by other politicians towards her, she shoulda long been burned to the stake scandal wise if there was any smoking gun.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Why do we need a President that we can have a beer with?

      30-40 years of declining investment in education.

      • The president should represent the best and brightest among us.

        • Like Obama. You already know that man is the smartest person in any room.

      • Janelle S

        This “you could have a beer with X” nonsense is so ridiculous.

        When W ran and people were like, “he’s just folks!” like he hadn’t gone to Yale and been handed jobs on the family name and money. What does he know about you and your “folks”?

        But, as much as I’m here for Obama, he wasn’t the strongest argument for going with the smartest guy on campus, either. I’m not unhappy with his presidency, but I could see people weren’t here for his style of educated leadership.

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          You can be smart and not be a geek. Though I don’t find Obama to be that geeky or pedantic like say Neil DeGrasse.. Obama ain’t one of them, “Well, actually…” types.

          Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar. George Bush Sr was academically accomplished. Karl Rove and Dick_Cheney weren’t dummies. (Too smart)

          • Janelle S

            Clinton didn’t wear his egghead status as clearly as Obama does. Very different style of educated leadership.

            • Brooklyn_Bruin

              Agreed, I’m not sure if I’m more of an Obama than Clinton.

        • I expected a black president to care about black ppl.

          • Janelle S

            I have no doubts Obama cares about black people. Not a single one. I saw it when he was coming up in Chicago.

            Whether that played out legislatively or in the media may be an entirely different matter.

            • Legislatively is what matters though, no? He has been condescending as fawk to black millennials protesting.. constantly saying, “Oh you should be mad but you shouldn’t be yelling..”

              The fawk you say?

              Tell those mfers who’re killing us to pipe down.

              • mr. steal your costco samples

                he got two black AGs for whom job one has been getting at police brutality.

                he ain’t in the legislative branch.

                • Eric Holder resigned and the JD has done nothing.. A and B legislatively as in implementing action which he has ABSOLUTE power to do.

                  • mr. steal your costco samples

                    look at the backlog of federal judicial nominees if you think Obama got absolute power to do anything legislatively.

                    can’t get there with you re: him not caring about black people either through speeches or his appointments or in any number of things. if he was Jesse Jackson he wouldn’t get elected — i’m just not trying to flyspeck his demeanor or tone, there’s a lot of good work done that has benefited many of us and he speaks movingly on race at least once a year

              • Epsilonicus

                Black folks have not held him accountable electorally. But in many ways thats difficult because you have a Dem party that might take votes for granted even though they need it, a Repub party whose whole machine is built on openly disregarding our vote, and various 3 rd parties that aint checking for us and/or are run so poorly they cannot compete effectively in national and local elections.

                • And that’s BEEN the problem… so what else is new? Clean these old ayus senators out and get fresh blood and tell them their ayuses won’t get anothner term if the fukk up.. But ni66as won’t do that!

                  • Epsilonicus

                    Partially because its difficult being 13-15% of the population. Also when folks with integrity wont run often enough

              • Janelle S

                I truly believe he would have continued the corrections reform he started in Chicago had his entire agenda not been hijacked by the financial crisis that came to a head just before he took office.

                Respectability politics is a thing. I’m not a fan of it, and I’m disappointed that he’s in that space. But I wouldn’t go from that to “doesn’t care about black people”.

              • rikyrah

                We have had a GOP Congress since 2010, and you are going to blame legislation on the President? Really?

                • Uummm since The Patriot Act.. the president has been able to do wtf he wants. You may wanna read it in its entirety.

      • HoobaStankyLeg

        That’s always bothered me. I don’t want someone who thinks like or would handle things the way I would. I want a diplomat. I want someone who gets things done. All they looking for is someone to have a beer with? What?

        • Tambra

          And start a couple bar fights. I guess it is to counter the ‘sissification’ of the things.

      • Sarah Ohara

        Right. Who was is that said America has a ‘culture of ignorance’? In other parts of the world they compete to be the best and brightest, but here it’s like we don’t want anybody to seem too smart or they’re not ‘real’. So we got a Yale-educated lawyer running to be the leader of the free world trying to dab on Ellen. smh. I don’t need her to be a good dancer. I need her to not start a nuclear war or kick off a national recession kthx.

        • Janelle S

          And proud of it! People get gleeful about actively hating on an educated candidate!

          Like, do you see the messes we have to deal with? Why are we not trying to get the smartest people we have on these problems?

          • mr. steal your costco samples

            oh you got a master’s degree, you my master now?

            /rock

    • Brandon Allen

      I really respect her dedication. Like all these people who have never done anything gonna act like this lady cant be President cuz she isn’t likeable? You’re not even likeable lol

      • NonyaB?

        *Pictures Brandon @ polling booth* “Well, you ain’t likeable either, fool!”

      • LMNOP

        I never thought about it that way, but there sure are a lot of unloveable people out there.

      • Scorpiogoddess??

        Eh.

    • No shade but this is spoken like a true progressive white person who has no idea of the detriment that she has caused…. she doesn’t have political baggage .. she has blood on her hands just like EVERY OTHER politician.

      • Annalise Keating

        I just love how Hilary stans act like the only reason everybody doesn’t want to support her is because she is not relatable. Some of us judged her on her political career and made our decision based on that.

        • Sarah Ohara

          Not at all. Not being relatable is Hillary’s media problem. She has plenty of political problems that are fair arguments against her, too.

          • Annalise Keating

            It’s nice to hear a Hilary supporter acknowledge that she isn’t perfect or try to rationalize or make excuses for her mistakes/flaws. You just made my day.

            • mr. steal your costco samples

              there’s plenty of flaws, agreed.

        • Question

          That isn’t what she said though – she clearly acknowledged that Hil has political baggage, so why do we focus on her likability?

          • Annalise Keating

            Honestly, I wasn’t speaking to @Sarah Ohara. This is why my reply was to @NegrawithTumbao.

            I have been vocal about my issues Hilary as a candidate and you will be amazed at how many Hilary stans (on and off this board) say my lack of support for her is “personal” because I don’t like her as a person not because of her career as a politician.When I try to bring up her record, they dismiss all her mistakes/problems or try to rationalize it. Or worse they just flat out deny it.

            Everyone just focuses on Donald trump and how bad he is. While I think Donald is Trash, It was just refreshing to see someone calling out Hilary directly and explicitly the way @NegrawithTumbao did. I wasn’t criticizing Sarah. I was agreeing with Negras assessment of Hilary.

            • Question

              Gotcha. I may have misread the loop.

              The sad part, is I think 20/20 hindsight, if we could rewind the clock ~8 months, we probably wouldn’t have either of the nominees we have now. Can you imagine how much more interesting and insightful Sanders/Rubio debates would be?

              I wonder, too, what kind of candidate Joe Biden would’ve been had he decided to run.

              • Kas

                Rubio is the worst kind of politician. I would prefer Trump.

                • Question

                  Haha…I went with who I figured was the most well informed of Trump, Cruz and Rubio.

              • Annalise Keating

                I can’t believe I am saying this….but I always felt Bush was the least repulsive republican candidate this year. This is not really saying much considering how bad the other candidates were.

                • Question

                  I’ve also long thought this. Too bad he was boring and informed and wasn’t willing to make heinous statements to stand out.

                  • Janelle Doe

                    that is so scary. May we have better candidates in 2020.

            • Kas

              Nothing about your dislike for her has struck me as being based on Hill’s personality.

      • Sarah Ohara

        Well I can’t hide what I am (progressive and white). No disrespect. I’m not trying to diminish the effects of her policies at all. She’s made mistakes, big ones, and the effects of some of her policies and statements have been disastrous. But we’re not even talking about that at all. We’re caught between her (a politician with blood on her hands) and some kind of nouveau Hitler who wants to put this country back into the 50’s. Like Danielle said in her article, we can’t even rationally discuss Hillary’s record because the other option is exponentially more terrifying.

        • You’re creating a difference that doesn’t exist.. I don’t agree with her either…. Donald Trump hires advisors for everything.. this would be no different… Hillary is just as condescending and racist to black folks as he is. All of a sudden he has pi55ed off white folks for not coveting white vagina and he’s the most horrible person on the planet. Nope.

      • NonyaB?

        No politician is baggage free but if there’s one to constructively learn from her mistakes, it’s Hillary. At the least, she’s too smart to make the same mistakes, especially knowing people will be watching her for that.

        • Tambra

          Do people expect politicians are not involved in all kinda shady back room dealings, or they just do not want it confirmed?

          • NonyaB?

            I suspect the latter.

          • Annalise Keating

            Second @NonyaB, I am beginning to think they just do not want it confirmed.

          • Kas

            People are effing naive and apparently prefer to be lied to by their politicians.

            • mr. steal your costco samples

              I like her getting the long knives out on Day 1 vs. Obama’s more conciliatory approach. her ruthlessness is generally a plus for me.

            • This! God forbid we deal with the truth and take some responsibility…

          • Epsilonicus

            I feel like a broken tape recorder saying this but:

            Politics are not about values. Politics is about negotiating self interest. People fail to realize that and then get upset when a politician doesn’t reflect their “values”.

            • Annalise Keating

              So how do you decide who to vote for if politics is about negotiating the self interests of various constituencies (I assume you mean the politicians themselves).

              I have always voted for a candidate who I believe would represent my interests. If politicians only represent their own personal interests then how do you decide who to vote for?

              • Epsilonicus

                I do not mean self-interest of politicians. I mean self-interest of the voters. Voters trying to place candidates in their value system oftentimes leave them disappointed.

        • She doesn’t learn.. she hides for the next time… that still isn’t a reason to vote for her… her “mistakes” have cost lives… but I guess that’s ok.

          #blacklivesmatter

          • Kas

            Well sounds like we can have a reasonable discussion debating the pros and cons of Hill as President.

          • NonyaB?

            One big “mistake” I hear being attributed to her is the 1994 Crime Bill. Although that bill was widely supported by Bill, her and the black community at the time, Hillary had no voting role for that bill therefore, the final critique lies with Bill who signed it.

            I’m sure the are other valid issues but I doubt she’ll make mistakes based on what a predecessor did 22 years ago. Especially when in these days of hyper-availability of media/fast news, it’s simply much harder to hide and easier to be held accountable.

      • Scorpiogoddess??

        That’s why I phakks with you. Blunt.

    • NonyaB?

      Tell it. As I’ve said in past discussions, I don’t get why a candidate must have likeability or charisma. How is it a factor when you’ll never socialize or live with them? Elections should be centred on pragmatism, not emotions. You shouldn’t care whether you can befriend your colleague or boss, you should care whether they’re competent and can help you achieve your career goals (salary raise, promotions, etc) by working well together with you. What they or Hillz are actually like in personal life ain’t got sh*t to do with you or your goals.

      You wrong for that “personality of a sensible pair of loafers”, though. ?

      • Epsilonicus

        Elections are about self-interest, not values. And the lack of understanding that is where people fail.

    • KNeale

      “Why do we need our leaders to reflect us in that way? Why can’t we root for her (or have a frank discussion of her record) as she is—a very dry, very disciplined, very hardworking career politician with some political baggage and the personality of a sensible pair of loafers.”

      Hmmm. Framing her in pop culture is just a method of communication if you mean so discussing her through memes social media etc. Its just a means of communication. But the second part why can’t we just see her as a career politician with some baggage. Because we want representatives, not career politicians. Its just that those people are typically are only real options. Someone who represents us as we really experience life and not just solely through the eyes of a rich, career politician that has spent most of their working life in “politics”. To your comment downthread: being Ivy league educated with a prestigious job does not represent “the best of us”. Those are not my metrics. I add that on here to say that maybe your confusion about how some people perceive Hilary is not understanding what experience people feel like should be represented.

      • Sarah Ohara

        You’re right. Social media isn’t the problem. It’s just a tool, like anything else. I think the criticism is that we don’t confront Hillary as she is because meme culture and framing is much easier and faster, much less messy.

        I appreciate your comment about “not my metrics”. You caught me with that because I’ve always railed against the perception that completing education as making someone “smarter” or “better than” anyone else — because my dad has a high school education, but he could talk to anybody about anything and hold his own — but here I am doing it unconsciously. And like you, I’d welcome a candidate without Ivy League education who had a reasonable plan forward. How do we get these people out of the woodwork?

      • Epsilonicus

        “Because we want representatives, not career politicians. ”

        In some ways you can’t get to that level and be successful without being a career politician.

    • Scorpiogoddess??

      She is in public service. She’s not there to mingle with elites and what have you. She is there to SERVE the people. She needs to be relatable af.

      • Sarah Ohara

        But a good part of her job is mingling with elites from other countries, right? She’s gotta have some awareness of who she’s talking to and what their needs and concerns are in those settings while still understanding her own people.

        • Scorpiogoddess??

          Absolutely.

          You can be aware of both at the same damn time. Being part of the elite doesn’t make you a notch higher or better of the common folk. Could give a phakk that you interact with the who’s who of this world.

          • Sarah Ohara

            Right. My gramma always said “Money can’t buy class. No one is better than you; and you’re not better than anyone else.”

            • Scorpiogoddess??

              And gramma is RIGHT!

      • Kas

        Relatable doesn’t equal serving the people. George Bush was relatable AF.

        • Scorpiogoddess??

          Did I say it equaled to that? No.

          • Kas

            You certainly implied it – “She is there to SERVE the people. She needs to be relatable af.”

            • Scorpiogoddess??

              Urrrrrrrrrrgh. POINT is, she is elected by the people. Why the phakk you gon act like you are above or cannot comprehend human issues. As for GB, phakk him.

              • Kas

                We have a different opinion of her, which obviously completely ok.

                • Scorpiogoddess??

                  Yap.

              • Kas

                Fuck is the only curse word this site allows.

        • And a gawddayum MORON!

          • Epsilonicus

            Truth!

          • Kas

            Ear muffs. :)

    • Yahmo Bethere

      I DESPISE the American need for the President to be your beer buddy. NO. You need to be competent and lead the country. I can get “warmth” from a Snuggie and some tea.

      • Blueberry01

        #TRUTH

    • Jacqueline

      Well said. I supported and worked for the Obama campaign and I am an OFA Fellow, but trust that she has a very enthusiastic and dedicated team of former Obama staffers and volunteers, knocking on doors and making calls. Many of us are angry that she has had to endure such an unworthy opponent. She (and our democracy) deserved better.

      I am not of the mindset that it is a given that any of the 14 Republican dwarfs would have easily beat her.

      I have been with her for more than 4 years, before her campaign was official.

      Most of us understand the excitement of Barack Obama (and Uncle Joe) was a once in a lifetime thing.

      Hillary Clinton will be a successful President.

      • Wow… Chile you have bought ALL THE WAY in.

        • Tiff Tiff

          So what if she has bought all the way in? What are you expecting people to do, vote Trump? I understand that Hillary has done some dirt, but we’re two weeks from the election with two terrible candidates choose from.

          • *rolls my eyes* choosing the lesser of 2 evils is not my problem…. so yeah buying all the way in is nuts… next time do your due diligence. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f45abb2924780157018d016b09a61a81cc736be23ef393fd528f12d0fce6afa8.jpg

            • Tiff Tiff

              okay that’s great that YOU feel that way, but I don’t understand the need to try to belittle someone else’s desire to vote/support the lesser of the two evils when there are minimal alternatives at this point. No need to be dismissive.

              • I wasn’t dismissive. I made a statement. It was true.

                I didn’t belittle her and if SHE has a problem with what I said, SHE can come to me.

                • Tiff Tiff

                  Usually when someone has to indicate that they’re rolling their eyes in response to a comment I’ve made, I assume they’re being dismissive. But, okay, sure. It’s the Internet and non-verbal language gets lost. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

                  • I rolled my eyes because you felt the need to tell me what my intent was just like now. Maybe you should have asked… it’s all good… I say exactly what I mean so there’s never any question.

    • Cleojonz

      Listen, think of all the local politicians just straight fleecing their constituents getting brought up on corruption charges left and right. I’m pretty sure most of those folks who voted them in found them likeable, but ultimately what did that get them?

    • That last sentence is the truth.

  • Other_guy13

    Stopped after the slander to Batman V Superman

  • TheCollinB

    the draw to Twitter is one I don’t understand anymore, which is odd to say because of how much I enjoy coming up here and talking my brand of talk. For me and Twitter the voices over the years have all been taken from their distinct pots, thrown into a bigger Kirkland brand vat and simmered down into a bland broth that the users kinda pretend to enjoy. The speak is the same, the ideas are the same. it’s become a who can get this idea out the quickest and then who can plagiarize that idea and get away with it. Finding a genuine feed to follow is fruitless…and then you see your parents are on Twitter and you’re really like “fuuuuuck this I’m outta here”

    • Tambra

      I thought that was for the Facebook.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        it is tbh twitter maybe on the downward spiral but it’s still not fb

    • mr. steal your costco samples

      Black Twitter got the best jokes imo

      • TheCollinB

        They do but they don’t. There’s a formula to it that once people pick up on they just kinda kill it. It’s basically a non stop Kanye verse from Late Registration.

        • mr. steal your costco samples

          whatever do you mean?!?

          *confused Mr. Krabs*

      • Brandon Allen

        There’s a good joke here or there and millions of formulaic trash tweets.

      • Black twitter is EVERAAAAYTHAAAANG!

        • Leonard Washington

          Negra, you been coming with the word through this whole comment section. Sis. They want to sanitize HRC so bad and make it about her “personality” when that ain’t it!

          You doing good work cause I couldn’t do it. That first comment erased her whole history to change it to “oh she’s just boring and does her job and that’s why ppl don’t like her.” GIRL WHAT! Stop these lies. Please.

          You be knowin.

          • Thank you, bro!! We just need to do better… we need to educate ourselves on foreign policy, politics in different countries and the actual political careers of people here…

            The Clinton’s are THE WORST kinds of white folks..but they’ve done an amazing job of pulling the wool over people’s eyes.

    • -h.h.h.-

      twitter is odd.
      people want the ability to say what they want, publicly (or else they’d make their accounts private), to to shut down other folks speech, to be left alone, to joke on folks, to not have people joke on them, in essence to create their own world and not allow anyone else to create their own world that doesn’t jibe with their creation of utopia…

      all at the same time.

      • TheCollinB

        as Trump would say, FACTS

    • Helga G.Pataki

      Agreed. I used to love Twitter, but since I’ve reactivated my account it doesn’t have the same authentic,vibrant feel as it did maybe 4-5 years ago.BUT Black twitter is still pretty entertaining.

      • TheCollinB

        I’m not gonna say I haven’t laughed at some of the stuff that comes outta black twitters. I will say most of black twitters is just impersonating 5-9 specific Twitter characters.

    • Scorpiogoddess??

      Finding a genuine feed to follow is very much a possibility. I don’t understand the constant complaints on here . Curate your feed to reflect your interests.

      • TheCollinB

        But then you’ve created a vacuum and that’s not really using Twitter the way it’s supposed to be used. It works for some people, just not my thing anymore

        • Scorpiogoddess??

          How are you creating a vacuum?!?!? Do you go talking to everybody you meet on the street? No. You choose who you want talk to because of many becauses you might have!
          In the same manner, you can’t go chopping it up with everyone over there, in the name of being open to ideas/ideologies or whatever.

          How is Twitter supposed to be used? It’s that deep?

          • TheCollinB

            I kinda do talk to everyone. Not for the sake of being disagreeable. I feel like the more I diversify the more I know. Been that way since I was young. Twitter ain’t that deep but I’m not finna mindlessly just follow a bunch of people saying the same thing.

            • Scorpiogoddess??

              You just being difficult for difficultness sake.

    • pls

      oh my twitter was lit! “I just always did my own thang”

      had to delete cuz I’m in education, tho.

      • TheCollinB

        As am I. I love the gram I love the gram so I just made sure none of my Facebook stuff links up with it.

    • NonyaB?

      Then you need to actively diversify your feed. At ~313 million active users per month out of even higher # of total accounts, you can’t not find what you’re looking for.

      • TheCollinB

        Bruh I don’t know that I’ve desire to do all that. It seemed simpler in its infancy. I’m not trying to be the “in my day” tho. I’ve just phased out of it I guess

        • NonyaB?

          Then you can’t complain because it’d be like saying Google now presents millions of results for each search, so it’s useless. There are ways to extract better usage like advanced search methods on Google or curation methods on twitter but they require effort. The thing is, you can achieve every goal (social, professional, etc) on twitter but you have to either prioritize which goal to focus on or be disciplined enough to operate multiple accounts for each goal. E.g. professionally, I’ve seen tons of people get hired by, funded by or get in direct contact with people they would otherwise have no chance of reaching offline.

          • Kas

            Your nerd is showing.

            • NonyaB?

              You don’t say.

          • Epsilonicus

            I have gotten job offers from folks I have connected with on Twitter

            • NonyaB?

              You better tell @disqus_zQUlYsB8Gg:disqus so he can quit hating on the latent power of the tweet streets!

  • mr. steal your costco samples

    he got off exactly 1.5 good jokes last night though.

    that “pardon me” had me chuckling.

    then he imploded completely and got booed off the stage, which was also quite satisfying. real NY money obviously thinks he’s a broke boi from Queens

    • Tambra

      And the good joke was about his wife cribbing from Mrs O. That’s really sad.

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        I thought pardon me was a good joke. took me a minute.

        • Tambra

          That too. Poor man, he just couldn’t buy a clue for all his money.

      • Lego

        His lack of character shows even more clearly when he can ably throw his wife under for a good punchline, but not himself.

        • Tambra

          Well if he is one of ” the boys’ what you do you expect? She herself admitted that he is immature.

      • Annalise Keating

        Yup.

    • Kas

      Real NY money is pissed the rest of the U.S. thinks he’s one of them.

      • Tambra

        Well if your house has to look like a classy ho house, what you expect.

        • Blueberry01

          Classy Ho (The Classic Man Remix)

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        yeah, old money ain’t buy no gold fixtures.

        (although quiet as it’s kept the hotel in Vegas is a really good value, or was)

  • HoobaStankyLeg

    But not for this site and Twitter, I’m not sure I could’ve made it through as far as I have in 2016. Between the police slaughtering our family members, Death taking celebrities and legends left and right, and the South basically ‘rising’ again… Listen, there isn’t much more my spirit can take politically. If it takes a Jordan Crying face on Hillary’s head Photoshopped over a pic of her dressed like Beyonce performing Single Ladies, so be it. At this point I will take as many tee-her’s and chuckles as I can get.

  • HouseOfBonnets

    November 9th, so close yet so far away……

    In other news jaheim got a referral from young jocs beautician as well. I need them to stop.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e9997a93f8e68814c94ec3af07642936f1ef73b286c0a928665b5da6ec8218bf.jpg

    • Tambra

      Don’t worry your boy @Kas will be copying soon.

      • Kas

        You know how I do.

        • Tambra

          I am silently howling on the inside.

      • TheCollinB

        Kas is out in LA, he’s used to ducking shots before 9:30am

    • TheCollinB

      whats that like as a woman of color when both ya’ll gotta wrap your heads at night? Who gets the good fake Louis V scarf and who gets the one with holes in it? Do you shade him or does he shade you when it come to having a tighter curl or flatter press? Do you go halfsies on the edge control gel? Do you both use the same brand maxi with wings? How does this work?

      • Kas

        I can’t speak for others, but my wife knows I get first dibs when it comes to deep conditioning etc. My array of hair products is also more extensive.

        • Tambra
          • Annalise Keating

            LMAO

        • Sigma_Since 93

          You rocking the Big Worm perm?

          • Tambra

            He going SCurl. His words.

            • Sigma_Since 93

              I have this image of Kas with the SCurl shag like Kanye was rocking for a minute lol!

            • kingpinenut

              SCurl …. lawdylawdyLAWD

          • Kas

            My wife and I are both natural and I’m twice as vain as her. She’s learned to deal with it.

            • Tambra

              That is still no excuse.

              • Kas

                I didn’t realize I was making excuses.

        • brothaskeeper

          Lettuce find out you got an activator bottle in a holster.

          • Kas

            Travel size for emergencies only.

        • Scorpiogoddess??

          Wait. Your hair is permed?

          • Kas

            No

      • Maaaaan listen.. the scarf is all his…. It looks so soft!

      • Blueberry01

        You.are.too.much! ???

    • That ni66a is COIFFED!! His hairline though…

      https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/64105990.jpg

      • Tambra

        Worse part he has been cussing out people who commented on his hair since yesterday.

      • No you didn’t say coiffed.
        I’m done.

    • Tambra

      At least he got his duck lips down pact. Now all he needs is the IG makeup to complete the look.

    • NonyaB?

      Now, what y’all not gon’ do is disrespect the Heimster. His artfully engaged hairline (fighting harder than the receding great coral reefs) was just the garnish on top to keep hoes in check. Jaheim started this beautiful mornin’ by dipping hisself in the butters and his pursed lips are giving you all you need, in that order.

    • cakes_and_pies

      Why would anyone perm their hair if they’re balding?

      • Tambra
        • What the???

          • Tambra

            It’s called witchcraft.

            • Its like I’m looking at the top of John Witherspoon’s head in the beginning, then followed by Monica.

        • cakes_and_pies

          have mercy

          • Tambra

            From the time I saw that pic, every woman I see with that hairstyle I imagine their scalp looks like this.

        • BrownKitty289

          Is this what they do to Iyanla?

      • Kas

        First step to being able to do a comb over

        • Tambra

          How about a shaved head. Bald heads are always s exy.

          • Kas

            Not every man can pull off bald.

            • Tambra

              True. I forgot .

          • Scorpiogoddess??

            No.

            • brothaskeeper

              Narc.

              • Scorpiogoddess??

                Que?

                • brothaskeeper

                  Speaking on behalf of bald menfolk, the ladies of our smooved out domes.

                  • Scorpiogoddess??

                    Oooh ok.

          • TeeChantel

            Bald heads are so sessy. BTW, anyone watch ADD’s sketch about men getting a man weave for the first time? For one, I don’t know why dude didn’t go with a bald head from jump. He would have been halfway decent.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLyi3hN5eWU

    • KNeale

      Jaime Foxx as the villain in Spiderman. Jamie Foxx in the soloist.

    • Jaheim.
      Colonel Abrams stunt double.

    • brothaskeeper

      This ninja’s bonnet is purple, I bet.

    • Kelly Kell

      It would look dope if his hairline wasn’t jacked and he had better style.

    • TeeChantel

      Jaheim was always off his rocker. Don’t you remember the purple suit from a few years back?

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