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Trump’s Proving That Those Who Called Clinton “The Lesser Of Two Evils” Didn’t Know What Evil Looked Like

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So, I’ll be honest. After the shock of the election began to subside and the waves of the post-shock tsunami began to recede, there was a tiny, infinitesimal, Lilliputian part of me that began to look for silver linings. And, even, the subset of hope responsible for giving someone the benefit of the doubt. “Maybe Darth Cheeto won’t be the worst thing to happen to America since the Lost series finale” this smaller-than-the-plate-reserved-for-Sage-Steele-at-the-cookout part of me surmised. I didn’t even dry heave when Dave Chappelle ended his SNL monologue with a plea for us to give him a chance. (I was tempted to, but I didn’t.)

But then, within a day of that inkling of a thought, Cheeto went ahead and named the country’s most prominent White supremacist as his senior adviser. And the appointments he’s made since then have followed the same script. Jeff Sessions — a man so racist the Republicans in the freakin 80s were like “Yeah…this dude can’t be a federal judge — was just named the motherfucking Attorney General. You know things are bad when Rudy Giuliani, a man who’s basically a Lugz chukka with sentience, is only the 5th or 6th worst person in Cheeto’s circle.

When thinking about this, I can’t help but remember way, way, way, way back when when there were actual debates about Hillary Clinton being the lessor of two evils in this election. “It doesn’t really matter who wins” these people said “because neither are going to make our country any better.

This actually isn’t completely untrue. Perhaps Clinton wouldn’t have made things better. But this type of thinking ignored the very real possibility of one candidate making things much, much, much worse. There’s a difference between occasionally problematic status quo and actual evil. Not evil in name only. Or “evil” as a hyperbolic and hysterical way of articulating something that rubs you the wrong way. But real evil. The Cheeto is presently installing an administration that will try their hardest to make things as evil as possible for Black people and brown people and women and Muslims and Mexicans and members of the LGBTQ community and every other marginalized group of people. This is actually happening.

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • We gotta fight in the shade.

    • I’ll see you in Gitmo.

      • You’ll see me in Valhalla.

        • SaneN85

          That escalated quickly.

        • Ain’t no niqqas in Valhalla

          • Idris is there

            • solid point

            • Karine1976

              Touché.

            • I laughed.

            • Mary

              Made me laugh out loud on the bus! (Folks side eying me too)

            • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

              That was good work.

    • TeeChantel

      +1 for the reference.

  • pls

    WHO started that “lesser of two evils” shxt, anyway? Who’s responsible?!!!!???!!?!

    • Other_guy13

      Hoteps and yt people

    • I blame Dwights. They made this effed up system.

      • Mochasister

        I lay the blame the Trump solely at the feet of white people. I especially side eye white women. No white woman better ever say anything to me about “how all women should stick together” or “fight the patriarchy.” They had a chance to do exactly that and they chose whiteness. Sisterhood my a**.

        • Kas

          One of my friends/acquaintances is half Japanese half white, mom was born in an internment camp. She posted a comment about it in relation to Muslim registries. One of her “friends” responded Japanese practice Buddhism and weren’t going around with bombs strapped to themselves. Sad to say, it was my friend’s daughter who finally responded to this. People appear to be more concerned about hurting feelings than speaking the truth.

          • King Beauregard

            There is literally no way to argue against that level of dumb.

            • Kas

              Not even a matter of arguing, but at a minimum say you disagree. I make it a point not to go to war on other people’s postings so I refrained. The few right leaning friends I have know they are welcome to speak their mind regarding small government vs big govt. Anything beyond that . . .

              • Blueberry01

                “I make it a point not to go to war on other people’s postings…”

                That’s fine, Kas. I’ll do it for you. ?

        • King Beauregard

          As a white person, I totally support your giving us all the collective stink-eye. There are probably precious few of us who have been so fair to blacks as to not have some small hand in this. I’d apologize for my hand, except that it’s totally not about extracting forgiveness from you; it’s a matter of what I’m going to do to make things right.

          • Blueberry01

            “I’d apologize for my hand, except that it’s totally not about extracting forgiveness from you; it’s a matter of what I’m going to do to make things right.”

            I’ve always felt that TRUE forgiveness was a change in behavior.

            • King Beauregard

              In this case, especially so. I think, for many white folks (though not a majority), racism and white supremacy is something they don’t contribute to directly most of the time. “What am I doing to contribute to white supremacy?” a white guy like me might ask. The question I should be asking is, “what am I doing to undo white supremacy?”

              My personal quest at the moment: I’ve posted a bunch of times about how lead levels from auto emissions probably had everything to do with crime rates in the 80s and 90s, which in turn led our nation to believe that we need “tough” cops to keep our cities safe. I think it matters quite a bit, from a policy perspective, to understand that the lead levels went down thanks to the EPA, which means kids aren’t going to grow up with symptoms of lead poisoning and the crime rates won’t be going up again … which is more reason why police should return to a “peacetime” orientation.

              I think that’s a powerful argument that anti-militarization groups should adopt, so I’m working to get the word out. At this point, just trying to email groups and journalists to see if I can get anyone’s interest (no apparent success thus far). Next step, I need to get bodily involved with a local group.

              http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health

              • Blueberry01

                And not just symptoms of lead poisoning, but the ramifications of dealing with it, too.

                Frequent health care or hospital visits = missing school = more like to drop out of school = engaging in crime out of boredom or necessity to survive.

                • King Beauregard

                  That’s a real good point. I don’t know how many kids were diagnosed with lead poisoning at the time (“your kid must be eating paint chips”), but whether or not they were, they were going to need more help to get by … and they were certainly denied the chance to reach their potential.

    • King Beauregard

      White people who will do fine either way, or at least can’t imagine things getting worse under Trump.

      Special award goes to every Leftie who refused to back Hillary, and whenever I’d say “it’s either her or Trump”, countered with “you can’t scare me into voting for Hillary”.

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        yup, that’s it in a nutshell

      • Marceline

        There’s an anti-Trump protest tonight in my town and I keep getting asked if I’m going. (I love a good protest.) I said “Absolutely not” I told my friend that I’m done letting white progressives turn me into cannon fodder when they’ve proven to me that they’ll throw me to the wolves just because I didn’t give them their Bernie Sanders action figure for Christmas.

        • King Beauregard

          I hope Bernie never has a good night’s sleep ever again, out of remorse for everything he unleashed with his character attacks on Hillary. If he hadn’t tried so hard to convince his people that Hillary is categorically unacceptable, perhaps they would have helped hold the line.

          • Marceline

            He doesn’t care. It became clearer to me during his campaign that the man is almost as big a narcissist as Trump.

            • NonyaB?

              I’ve been thinking the same recently, especially after reading of him flouncing around to peddle his new book and “reaching out” to Trump to offer support/work together, which sounded like he was covertly angling for a position.

              • King Beauregard

                One of the things people loved about Bernie was how uncompromising he was. Well, here come the compromises.

              • Marceline

                I’m just glad that Newsweek dropped some of the oppo research the GOP had on him. Now when someone tries to talk him up to me I just say, “Bernie co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont’s nuclear waste to poor, minority counties in Texas. He basically wanted to turn a town full of Latinos into Flint.”

                • NonyaB?

                  Yep, I read that article too. It took the shine off Saint Bernie.

              • King Beauregard

                Coincidentally enough, Bernie’s book and his 501(c)(4) have the same name, “Our Revolution”. That means the PAC serves as advertising for the book, and Bernie collects royalties on the book. Nice little scam he’s got going there.

                • NonyaB?

                  What a sly old fxcker.

                  • King Beauregard

                    Something else. When Bernie’s campaign contribution mechanism first debuted, we all nodded with approval at how it gave the common man a way to wield some power. But Bernie’s campaign mechanism is exactly identical to the televangelists’ grift, where you get people to donate to a “crusade” (loosely defined) and give them nothing in return.

                    So what’s the difference? Well an honest appeal to the people will not seek to extract money from people who can’t afford it, or for fraudulent causes. Bernie was still frantically soliciting donations to stop Hillary long after he’d lost any mathematical path to victory, and AFAIK he never once told people to not donate if they can’t afford it.

                    What started out as an admirable campaign finally just turned into a televangelist grift.

                    • Kas

                      But that money, in his hand, would do such much good his dishonesty wouldn’t matter.

                    • King Beauregard

                      Anyone else remember these paragons of Christian virtue from the 80s?

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4cd0e2433dbef326ece64c51e5e73740122a79afe3803a0b60735bf9a010dfa6.jpg

                      Jesus, they look like flame-damaged mannequins, and still they suckered in millions of Americans.

                      One of my favorite writers, John Dolan, put it well: “As so often in assessing post-Reagan culture, you’re left to wonder whether you’re dealing with stupidity, lies, or some horribly adaptive mixture of both.”

                    • Cheech

                      In the silver lining department, they gave BeBe and CeCe exposure at the start of their career.

                    • Blueberry01

                      I love them!

              • Mochasister

                Of course he reached out to Trump. They’re both white and played with Moses on the riverbanks.

                • Blueberry01

                  That’s exactly what I thought.

                  • Mochasister

                    I knew I wasn’t the only Petty Betty on this site! ;^)

                    • Blueberry01

                      Girl, I’m only petty on the weekends. Lol.

            • King Beauregard

              Boy, when you’re right, you’re right.

            • Sparger

              He is still talking about the white working class. I’ll say it I don’t give 2 f’s about the white working class. They didn’t care about anything but being on top of some brown people. Now look.

              • King Beauregard

                The great irony — or maybe hypocrisy, I can’t always tell them apart — is if whites weren’t so receptive to racial dogwhistling, they’d have those good jobs they want. The Republicans have been able to loot the economy for decades with this simple argument to white America: “Democrats are your enemies because they’re just looking out for minorities at your expense, but we Republicans will protect you from the Democrats”. Republicans will probably never fail to attract white people with that approach.

                • Marceline

                  You might find this piece interesting.

                  http://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/153181757500/on-rural-america-understanding-isnt-the-problem

                  “The real problem isn’t east coast elites don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is rural America doesn’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because the don’t want to admit it is in large part because of choices they’ve made and horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe.”

                  • King Beauregard

                    I sure do — learned about it yesterday on this site, and it immediately went up on my Facebook page. Rural white people don’t deserve my sympathy, they bring misery upon themselves, and my only regret is that they visit misery on other people.

                  • naughtycorner

                    Reactions to the plight of the poor urban -Bootstraps!
                    Reactions to the plight of poor rural whites -nobody loves them nobody cares …tears

                    • rahshedah

                      To your point. I watched a story on The Sunday Morning Show about how white america feels left behind and I was dumbfounded. My thoughts are if they feel left behind it is because they decided to stand still. Left behind? Sure that IS what happens when the world around them changes and they refuse to adapt to what it has now become. Sitting around crying about the jobs they use to have does not pay the bills. A large segment of the white community LOVES to tell black people to get over the past, nobody owes you anything and to move on. It now looks like it is their turn to move on. The U.S. does not owe them a job building cars, in coal mines, or working in the steal industry. They are not owed a job for life.They had better do like everyone else and get educated for the jobs that are available. But they would rather cry about being left behind. It is time to move on, get over it, and nobody owes them anything.

                  • Blueberry01

                    “The real problem is rural America doesn’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because the don’t want to admit it is in large part because of choices they’ve made and horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe.”

                    I now know that we are the problem AND the solution to most of our issues.

                • Cheech

                  Except in this election it went from dog whistling to blowing an air horn (like at the beginning of “Freebird”). There’s no effort to even conceal it anymore.

                  This wolf came as a wolf.

            • Blueberry01

              Because…white?

          • Madam CJ_Skywalker

            Nah. Bernie is getting validated by the super Left as we speak.
            His follower still killing me with the “if Bernie got the nomination….” arguement.

            • mr. steal your costco samples

              he would got murked by the same thing. it’s like that decade where every 2520 woulda voted for Colin for President. nah, you lying

              • Kas

                Lying azz muggafugga is what I believe you meant to type

            • King Beauregard

              Single payer just got demolished in Colorado, 79% – 21% AGAINST. And Colorado went blue this year. I can’t imagine Bernie himself would have done much better.

              • Madam CJ_Skywalker

                I agree, but then i will again never underestimate the power of white male privilege…

          • Rastaman

            The sad truth that most in this country can’t seem to admit is that there has never been a person of Jewish origin that led a major party ticket for President in this country and it is not by coincidence either. Jewish Americans have been appointed to the US Supreme Court for a 100 years, 50 years before the first African American and nearly 70 years before the first woman and yet not one has ever won a major party nomination for the presidency. It is fantastical thinking to believe somehow Bernie Sanders, a Jewish socialist from NYC was a better bet than Hillary. I can say if he was the candidate we would all be well versed in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion today. I have overheard how so called decent Dwights speak about Jews to know better.

            • blogdiz

              Many whites wont say it out loud but they feel the Jews already have too much power as they run the news, media, press , Hollywood financial , trade and commercial sectors .aint no way they are giving them the country to run as well

          • Me

            Hillary was a bad bet long before Bernie got in the race. Back when she was Secretary of State and the media was speculating that this year’s race would be between Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush folks on both sides of the aisle were already moaning and groaning about the entitlement and establishmentarianism of it all. Hillary has been losing votes for years, and it’s not because of Bernie. The DNC refused to admit this about her, likely because they made her unrealistic promises after she lost to Obama. They planned all along to offer their voters exactly one candidate to rally behind, and that one candidate was never able to carry her own party.

            • King Beauregard

              Well, as people in democracies do, we put it to a vote, and people liked Hillary better than Bernie, by a wide margin. And I’m not aware of another Democrat who “should” have been in the primaries, or who have been a clear crowd-pleaser.

              And there’s no denying that Bernie did what he could to cast Hillary as unfit for office, and a lot of his followers bought that hook line and sinker. Remember when Bernie promised to run an issues-based campaign, and then switched to character attacks when he realized they were an easier way to fight? Behold the results. We can’t blame it all on Bernie, but he certainly participated in the Death By A Thousand Cuts that stopped Hillary, and gave us Trump.

              • Me

                A lot of Bernie’s followers were disgruntled with Hillary long before they became his followers. They weren’t going to support Hillary even if she ran uncontested. Hillary was never going to get unity among her party. DNC refusing to admit this cost them the election.

                • King Beauregard

                  So, what WOULDN’T have cost them the election?

                  • Me

                    1) They should’ve vetted more than just Hillary, and chosen a candidate with the most voter appeal (or better yet, let the voters choose through a real primary with multiple candidates consider)
                    2) If they were dead set on pushing Hillary, they should’ve pushed a different VP choice for her ticket — one that would’ve been able to recapture the folks that were anti-Hillary instead of one that was unmemorable and resonated with none of her lost constituents
                    3) They should’ve emphasized their commitment to the voters within their party that felt disenfranchised instead of trying to out-moral Trump… Rallying in front of votes you’ve already secured is a waste when your numbers are already dwindling.

                    • King Beauregard

                      Well, the following Democrats opted to run for office:

                      – Clinton
                      – Sanders (not really a Democrat, but anyway)
                      – O’Malley
                      – Chafee
                      – Webb
                      – Lessig

                      “They” didn’t force Hillary on anyone. Just because she was the most visible and qualified candidate didn’t mean that “they” decided for us; we voted and Hillary beat all challengers. If you think “they” should have forced another candidate on us, who exactly, and why do you think “they” should decide without voter input?

                    • Me

                      I don’t think they should’ve forced any candidate on us. I believe they DID force Hillary on us, and my comment was that if they were going to force any candidate they should’ve done better vetting to select a candidate with wide appeal.

                    • Blueberry01

                      Who exactly is “they”?

      • Other_guy13

        You remind me not to generalize yt people….I’m gone work on that.

        • King Beauregard

          I thank you, but don’t be so “fair-minded” as to discount how well the generalizations work. The reality is, a majority of whites in every age group supported Trump; we deserve to be held collectively accountable.

          And if you and I were to talk in person, eventually we’d hit a point where I reveal fcked-up misconceptions that would leave you wondering, “how did this otherwise-sane-sounding white person conceal for so long how messed up he is?” This is not because I’m trying to hide anything, I just know that even a well-intentioned white person like me is still no paragon.

          • Well damn… if you ain’t singing my life with your words..I hit that special point daily..

            • King Beauregard

              :-(

              Some of us are idiots but trying. (I just realized there are two meanings to “trying” and they both work in context.)

          • Blueberry01

            “This is not because I’m trying to hide anything, I just know that even a well-intentioned white person like me is still no paragon.”

            I believe all people are like this – not just white.

        • mr. steal your costco samples

          I’m not. When people tell you who they are (collectively), believe them

      • Sparger

        Or my favorite. She needs to earn this vote. Did you not see what the other side put up. He showed us who he was day one of his campaign. But Hillary said super predators 20 years ago and I must remain pure.

        • King Beauregard

          Oh don’t even get me started on their paper-thin commitment to racial issues. And by the way, it may be Hillary was right about “super predators”, except we know a more accurate term for them: “victims of chronic lead poisoning from leaded gas emissions in heavily polluted cities”. If there was a spike in violent criminals in the cities of the 80s and 90s, it was likely because they were victims of society’s indifference to poor urban communities in the 60s and 70s:

          http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health

          Just like Flint Michigan today.

          • Blueberry01

            I remember when me and you had an argument about this, too.

  • mr. steal your costco samples

    Looking forward to getting investigated by DoJ for the BLM sign in my window.

    yeesh

    • The dude with the swastika tattoo says it’s unamerican.

  • nillalatte

    I’ve been following some of the most ‘bent’ personalities on the net. Interesting they don’t see themselves as terrorists.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a351803cda62878a7f80ff9899f5c531987eea007aba4e9877d8408ff1473ca.jpg

    • King Beauregard

      Interesting that Nazis see themselves as patriots. I’ve watched enough “Hogan’s Heroes” to know that the Nazis are enemies of America.

      And I can call these guys Nazis without exaggerating; they’re the ones with the swastikas.

      • Swastikas and confederate flag waving ‘patriots.’ How does that make any sense?

        • King Beauregard

          And they worship a Palestinian.

        • pls

          In what other land would a failed rebellion’s flag from over a century ago be celebrated so prominiently? Like the “debate” over whether or not it was cool to have it fly along side the actual flag in charleston…where else do they do that at?

      • SaneN85

        There used to be a day when I heard the word “patriot” and I could be proud to think of myself as one. Now I hear it and I think “racist”, “sexist”, “anti-semetic”, “Islamaphobe”, “homophobe”, “xenophobe”, and “trump supporter”.

        I have a visceral reaction to seeing the American flag now.

        • Kas

          Same goes for the word freedom. It’s been completely bastardized.

          • NonyaB?

            *Offers Kas some freedom fries*

            • mr. steal your costco samples

              just wait till the first ALT LIVES MATTER signs

            • Kas

              And freedom toast

          • Rastaman

            Dwights have been bastardizing “freedom” since they shouted that in their attempts to maintain slavery. Jeff Sessions as AG is only shocking to the ignorant. Who did they think Cheeto the Bigot was going to appoint?
            “The lesser of 2 evil” crowd are people who lack basic understanding of politics. Childlike minds who only see the world in black and white and don’t grasp that there are grays. As someone wrote recently they are the people who make perfect the enemy of good. My hope is the next three years is worst for them than anyone else.

    • Return of the Jimmiwalkers

      I read a interesting article of the about the online radicalization of white males. Pretty interesting to say the least!

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        the thing — these dudes want capitulation. not enough to win, we all gotta bow down and recognize their superiority.

      • nillalatte

        Bingo! They have definitely been radicalized. There was an article way back, maybe WaPo, that identified the white nationalist movement as extremely dangerous. I think they were on point.

        • Return of the Jimmiwalkers

          On the flip side, do you think it can happen to blacks? i.e Micah and Gavin?

          • nillalatte

            Yes. Anyone can be radicalized, it just takes longer for some than others. You have to find the ‘hot buttons.’ lol

      • But they’ve always been this stupid.

  • Return of the Jimmiwalkers

    Trump is getting all this “advice” from Bannon and Kushner, it’s only gonna get worse.

  • I made this argument eleventeen times BEFORE the election. I’m not sure I can bother to say “I told you so” any more.

    • Madam CJ_Skywalker

      I agree. I think the problem was that ppl who didn’t like Hil, were gonna find a reason to not like her, even if logic and reasoning proved otherwise.

      • LadiDD

        Exactly, they’ll use any of the 1000110012 Clinton faux scandals to justified why they don’t like her instead of admitting the blatant obvious…

        She’s a woman.

        • Question

          Or that she’s a Clinton. If you had the very same gender and credentials attached to a different last name, I wonder what we’d be talking about right now.

          • sissyphus_is_tired

            But Bill left office with a huge approval rating and Hillary left the SOS office with a huge approval rating. I think the Internet/social media lie machines cranked up so much between 2012 and 2016 and Hillary and her people just didn’t respond in time–by the time they did it was too late.

    • LisaLisa NoCultJam

      Sadly – I felt it coming but wanted to be wrong because everyone told me I was wrong. Does not make me less angry tho.

      • mysstea

        Exactly! Just had this pit in my stomach that would NOT go away.

    • YeaSoh

      Thank you!

  • HouseSublime

    Ain’t gonna be any more Department of Justice federal investigations into police precincts when there is fuckery going on. Get ready using those same stats and talking points from Baltimore and Ferguson’s investigations because none of them are getting any scrutiny for the next 4 years.

    • Geechi_Luciano

      Don’t forget about them about to constantly bring up Chicago as a representative city for black america.

      • Val

        So we all don’t live in Chicago?

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          Wait…I don’t reside in the Southside??? But Pookie and the other Blacks live down the street?

    • Deeds

      I knew this was over once I found out Trump won.

    • Me

      What it matter? Every cop has either escaped indictment or escaped conviction. And the killing hasn’t subsided even a little bit. DOJ has been a joke so far.

  • TeeChantel

    This administration gets worse by the millisecond.

  • Val

    Does the AG have to be confirmed by Congress?

  • Glo

    The fact that I am actually praying that Mitt Romney somehow makes it into his cabinet is saying something.

    These next 4 years are going to be terrifying.

    • Val

      Trump is making a whole lot of Republicans seem tame by comparison.

    • UrbanNortheast

      I disagree with Romney on everything but at least he’s sane and not evil. He could be a moderate voice.

    • Cleojonz

      Its sad but my reaction was oh that makes me feel a little better at least. I don’t believe Romney intends evil like the rest and I don’t hate him as much.

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