Theory & Essay

Throwback Thursday: Sleeveless Turtleneck – The Power of Woman

I always found this post to be a relevant look into the power of a woman.  Reformatted to fit your attention span but originally posted on November 17, 2004:

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Woman.

She is woman, hear her roar. She is phenomonal. She can drop it like its hot. She can cook it, and make it hot. She can cause ruin to society. She can re-create what man has destroyed. She has all the power, even if she doesn’t realize it. She is…

…woman.

Women are amazing creatures. Of all the living beings on this planet, woman is the most powerful force to be reckoned with. And nowhere is this more apparent than woman’s affect on man.  And nowhere is this fact more evident than in the case of one Erykah Badu.

Erykah Badu is woman. In one package, she managed to be southern, ghetto, deep, cute, gorgeous, fun, arrogant, humble, interesting, a singer, gangster, and loving. (How do I know all that? I don’t. That’s the beauty of opinion.) So it’s easy to see how any man would fall into her web. Hell, I myself have had a crush on her for something like 6 years now. She is every woman. That chick who seems like she’d ride for you when you needed her too, and simultaneously put on a good show for your mother.

She’s that chick that will open your mind, and have you looking at things you never even paid attention too. She can take you from being an inner city pimp prospect to a turbin wearing bass player. Or she can take you from being a Southside Chicago hustler to wearing a sleeveless turtleneck. She is that powerful.

She is woman.

She has the ability to expand the minds of men, resulting in one person taking what he has learned and becoming comfortable in his own skin and taking the world by storm, and another person really having no idea what to do because he himself is confused and wondering what to do with his newfound knowledge so he starts wearing sleeveless turtlenecks, and for some reason nobody will embrace him, except for his grandmother.

Her power is the sleeveless turtleneck. It confuses some and makes so much sense to others. It’s like Nirvana lyrics.

[***Sidenote: In theory, there is nothing wrong with a sleeveless turtleneck...if you are a woman or from Europe. However, as a grown black man from the Southside of Chicago, it is wrong, in the truest sense of the word wrong. And for those wondering when he wore a sleeveless turtleneck, it was in the video for the "Ghetto Heaven" remix featuring Macy Gray, where he is dancing on stars and planets. For the record, gangsters don't dance they boogie. He was dancing.***]

She is woman.

Common went from wearing Rockport’s and wind suits and baseball caps to derbies and kufis and SLEEVELESS turtlenecks. Dammit…WHO THE F*CK WEARS A SLEEVELESS TURTLENECK? That has to be the most confusing shit to ever see, right? Is it hot or cold? Now that you got your neck covered, how are you arms, huh, dunny??? Why wasn’t his stylist shot because of this? Pac got shot, Biggie got shot…but no, his stylist lives. Some things just aren’t fair are they? And I’m giving him credit by saying he had a stylist. If he doesn’t…well, may God have mercy on his soul.

Erykah Badu turned Andre 3000 into a sex symbol, the best dressed, album of the year creator that he became. Andre 3000 is now so cool, he can walk onto a stage to accept an award, throw up a piece sign and walk off and it be the best acceptance speech ever given. Common? No awards. In fact he is more bitter now than ever before. He is the bitter man’s rapper. Complaining that he never got his respect or his due. A talented rapper that never caught on, and even fell off somewhat. Fuck that, fell of a lot-what. Erykah Badu’s presence and power to just “be” changed both of these men’s lives forever.

Her power is not just reserved for her either. Her power is every woman’s power. Erykah Badu could be any woman. The power to change the course of history, the power to cause a man to become more than he imagined, or become a shell of himself without ever doing more than being herself. All women have this ability. Some just do not know it. Erykah Badu knows. Erykah Badu is power.

She made a grown ass black man wear a sleeveless turtleneck.

She is woman.

Roar.

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka TANGLE JIG P

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Damon Young

Panama Jackson is pretty fly for a light guy. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. He believes the children are our future and is waiting to find out if he is the 2nd most interesting man in the world.

  • jana.love

    i’m not even gonna lie. i straight up have a girl crush on her. like fuh real. it’s been a few years now and i’m ready to say it. she’s the top 25 of my got dang top 25 played list on itunes!! it’s kinda creepy.

    i think it’s 2:18 into bag lady that makes me scream out loud and jus wish i could sing. afro freestyle still cracks me up when i’m driving, ppl think i’m nuts, but i just mouth “im gonna take that ho back!!”

    dammit, i love her.

    • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

      @jana.love,

      Although Erykah Badu ain’t on my list of girl crushes, me and her could hang. When I went to NYC in 2003, I was walking by Times Square. There was a chick and her crew just loitering banging music out their car and hanging on the sidewalk. Then this skinny chick w/ a BIG OL’ AFRO starts walking along w/ me and my cuz, and she went “I see yall walking to the beat.” I look up and lo and behold, it is Ms. Badu.

      I’m like *GASP* “Heyyy gurl. You were something like the BOMB at the Taste of Chicago”. She said “Thank ya kindly”. I was GEEKED!

      True Story. Like for real. On my Mama, jo! *Right hand to sky*

      • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

        @Luvvie,

        That is a cool a$$ story. I imagine E.Badu being one of the coolest chicks on the planet.

      • jana.love

        @Luvvie,

        *officially JEALOUS*

      • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

        @Luvvie,

        Luvvie, you know I love you and you my e-sister and all of that, and you did buy my book, but ur-ruh I need approximately 3 people, 1 medium sized mammal, and a petition with at least 100 signatures.

        Sincerely,
        Naturally Alise in Wonderland, LLC

        • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

          @Relax, Relate, Alise,

          Why in the hot h*ll would I make up such randomosity? I speaks the truth. I even said “On my Mama”. THAT should be my more people. I loves my Mama! I won’t ever lie on her!

          The defense rests her case, ya honah!

          *slams briefcase*
          *adjusts monocles*

          • puff

            @Luvvie,

            smh at your multiple monocles

            • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

              @puff, yeah I peeped that too,…. ol 2 wheeled unicyle lookin’ gal

            • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

              @puff,

              First of all, yall r some haters on my monocles. All the cool kids are rocking em nowadays. Ask Mr. Moneybags.

          • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

            @Luvvie,

            Oh. You know you supposed to say, “I swear fo lawd on er’thing I loooove”, get it right next time son!

            • 8th Wonder

              OR

              “I put that on everythang!”

              • miss t-lee

                @8th Wonder,
                or
                “I put that on everythang I love.”
                or
                “If I’m lyin’, I’m dyin’.”

                ::sniggling::

              • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

                @8th Wonder,

                with the high pitched on some “Someday” Mariah glass breaking only dog-whistle octave ish “I ain’t lyin’

            • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

              @Relax, Relate, Alise,

              She is supposed to “Swear fo’ Lawd and 6 white men”…then its official.

        • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

          @Relax, Relate, Alise,

          I’ll be Luvvie’s more people. I literally bumped into Mos Def in an alley once. Lil’ negro was standing there, in a hot azz sweathoodie in the middle of July, gettin’ his “Dark Shadows” on, people watching. I was busy being a post-concert social butterfly and ran right into him an ended up having a lovely exchange. It happens, and I am proof.

          Ta-dow!

          • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

            @PBG,

            “Ta-dow!” – Will finish

            “Watch out now! It’s the Liddle one and its not Bow Wow”

            I KILT that shit! MERKED IT!

            • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

              @Luvvie, go sat down luvviekins…

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                @Relax, Relate, Alise,

                *Going to sat down*

      • RedBeanzNRice

        @Luvvie,

        I’ll co-sign too Luvvie.

        I met Hill Harper before he blew up. I was at work in Sacramento on my break, standing right in front of the complex. This guy walked up, and he looked familiar, but I couldn’t place him. He went into the lawyer’s office about 3 doors down from my office, and since he seemed to be in a slight rush, I decided to wait until he came from the office so I could speak to him.

        Exits Hil Harper. MY simple behind says:

        MSB: Um, excuse me. You look awfully familiar to me – I think I might know you.
        Hill: I’m an actor.
        MSB: An actor? Nah, that’s not it. I think I might know you from high school. Did you go to school in San Jose?
        Hill: No.
        MSB: Are you sure, cause you REALLY look familiar?
        Hill: I’m an actor.
        MSB: Well what movies have you been in?
        Hill: Uh, “Hav Plenty”,
        MSB: Mm – no. *crickets*
        HIll: “He Got Game”
        MSB: *crickets*
        Hill: *starting to look REALLY exasperated*
        MSB: Well honestly, I don’t really watch movies, I’m sorry – but you just look familiar to me. Well, it was nice meeting you anyway. I hope you make it big.

        Ladies and gentlemen, I’d like to think I single-handedly shot that man to stardom with that random conversation. He shall never forget me because I am the first person to recognize him, and not know who he was all at the same time, which is why I believe he’s so humble. : )

        • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

          @RedBeanzNRice,
          he is a star? Who is he? Why does he matter?

          • RedBeanzNRice

            @Deviant,

            *crushed*

            He is now (cause of me, lol) You’d know who he was if you saw him; google him. He’s on been on CSI for the longest, various movies and TV series and come to find out him and Obama went to Harvard Law together. I didn’t pay for his tuition, but I’m pretty sure I had something to do with it. ; )

            Sorry Luvvie. I tried, but I guess my co-sign lacked the credit rating, lol.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

              @RedBeanzNRice, “him and Obama went to Harvard Law together. ”

              i knew i had me a wet blanket somewhere…what exactly does this have to do with the price of hummus in Russia??

              and even moreso, with him being a star??

              • RedBeanzNRice

                @Panama Jackson,

                Hush up again you! I will NOT allow your wet blanket on my dry sheets.
                (No disrespect to PrincessDuvet, lol)

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            @Deviant, i’m with Deviant on this one…i’m not sure i’d call Hill Harper a star. sure he’s adored by lots of women who have crushes on little men…but a star??

            well, no.

            • RedBeanzNRice

              @Panama Jackson,

              Hush up you! He’s a star dammit, lol.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              @Panama Jackson,

              lol…i was thinking the same thing. i like the dude, and he’s our patron saint for bandwagon attraction, but you can’t call an e-list celeb a star.

          • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

            @Deviant,

            He’s a star in MY book. AND him and the Blessed one (Barack) are buddies.

            • miss t-lee

              @Luvvie,
              That still don’t make that kat a star.
              *ctfu*

              • RedBeanzNRice

                @miss t-lee,

                *gasp and swoon*

                I just made you my “e-music compatible super blog buddy” and you defy me? Oh, the tragedy, *sighs*

                As I said to Panama: He’s a star, dammit!

                And thank you Luvvie, cause you know what’s up, lol.

                *wondering if our double co-sign is the next fall of the financial institutions*, lol

                “Feelin less creditworthy than a homeless person*
                *sighs*

              • miss t-lee

                miss redbeanz
                You know we still cool and all, but I have a serious aversion to that kat.
                I can’t put my finger on it…but dah well… :)

          • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com mssula

            @Deviant,

            He’s actually more than a star. He’s what stars should aspire to be.

            I heart Hill Harper… (Lackawanna Blues was great!)

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              @mssula,

              He’s actually more than a star. He’s what stars should aspire to be.

              so denzel and will smith should aspire to be hill harper?

              • RedBeanzNRice

                @The Champ,

                Hush up you too, dammit! Champ? Why do you insist on ruining my e-crush on you? Just let the crush be, and stop making me find reasons to keep crushing. (Even though there’s always a reason with you) But forget you read that in parenthesis statement, lol.

                You underestimate the underratedness of this particular star. No, he’s not Denzel (I still wonder why my sistas think he’s attractive – lawd knows I don’t) and no, he’s not Will Smith (came from nothing, made wack raps, but soared to fame with acting) but he’s no slouch in the least. You gotta give Hill his props cause he’s not only worthy, but he’s deserving. If I was into lighter skinned dudes, I woulda snatched his ass up without warning. (But that’s just me, lol)

              • 8th Wonder

                “so denzel and will smith should aspire to be hill harper?”

                This made me chortle.

              • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com mssula

                @The Champ,

                Who’s Denzel again?

                :D

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                @RedBeanzNRice,

                You gotta give Hill his props cause he’s not only worthy, but he’s deserving

                i never said he wasn’t props worthy. hes a seems to be a pretty well-rounded and down to earth cat, and also the protagonist of one of our entries (http://www.verysmartbrothas.com/get-off-the-wagon/)

                all i’m saying is that hes NOT a star, lol…thats all.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                @RedBeanzNRice, forgive me for being a stickler and all… but this line: no, he’s not Will Smith (came from nothing, made wack raps, but soared to fame with acting)

                Will Smith didn’t exactly come from nothing. he actually came from a pretty good household and had the opportunity to go to Princeton and other top schools but decided to pursue music. two parent home and good schools, the whole nine. he ain’t exactly have a tough upbringing like say, The Game.

              • http://www.myspace.com/circa1908 Intellectual Hedonist

                @Panda J, actually Will was accepted to Liz’s alma matter and defered for a year then he won the grammy for the ( first rap song to ever win a grammy) so he never went to MIT

            • RedBeanzNRice

              @mssula,

              Wooo hooo! And I heart Msscula! You go girl. Seems you and Luvvie are the only ones that know what’s up in this piece, lol.

            • RedBeanzNRice

              @The Champ
              “…and also the protagonist of one of our entries.
              all i’m saying is that hes NOT a star, lol…thats all”

              You’re sexy as hell and and sh*t, but I cannot and WILL NOT abide by your blasphemy, Sir.

              Is it legal for a relatively newcomer to send a host to the corner? Well, if it is – Get your sexy self to the corner, and I mean NOW!

              But if it’s not, then don’t, but just KNOW I wanna send you there.

        • charli skipper

          @RedBeanzNRice, he went to law school with barack obama, yall!

          • charli skipper

            @charli skipper, um……..ignore my last comment. i’m just really tired. don’t judge me.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

          @RedBeanzNRice,

          Lol @ your story. I saw Hill Harper at Morehouse Homecoming a few years ago. I knew he looked familiar too but had no idea how I knew him. Admittedly the alcohol may have been a factor…

          Anyway, I did take pics of him dancing with my homegirl and I figured it out a few weeks later.

          • RedBeanzNRice

            @Dom,

            You too? I guess he just has that look that’s familiar, but one you don’t rapidly recognize. It’s like, if it hadda been Blair Underwood, or Mario Van Peebles, you’d know right off the bat, lol.

            @ Morehouse? Maybe cause he’s reppin Alpha Phi Alpha. Sessy, Sessy.

            **No offense to any non-Alphas, I have an affinity cause I used to date one, that’s all. Most fraternity men are sessy, except the Ques**

            ***No offense to any Ques*** lol

            • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

              @RedBeanzNRice,

              ***No offense to any Ques***

              mmmhmmm.. there are a few on here **cough** Peyso **cough**

              Remember that convo yesterday about how a misplacd “no offense” or “with all due respect” just don’t work? this may be one of those situations.

              just lookin out for a sista…

              • 8th Wonder

                lol, twinny!

                We heart you, Peyso.

                And happy founder’s day to the Alphas, if there are any up in here.

              • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

                indeed! how could i forget since they were founded at my school!!!!

                Happy Founders Day to all my Alphas!

              • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

                ooh, and for the record, I know plenty sessy Ques.

              • 8th Wonder

                “ooh, and for the record, I know plenty sessy Ques.”

                I am the 8th Wonder, and I approve this statement.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

              @RedBeanzNRice, perhaps i’m misinterpreting here, but i don’t actually think Hill Harper’s an Alpha. now he was given an Alpha Award of Honor, but i’m pretty sure he’s Me Phi Me like a mofo.

              • http://cornellwestside.blogspot.com/ Cornell Westside

                @Panama Jackson, he’s definitely Me Phi Me

                thanks for the shout outs ladies…Hill Harper’s a cool dude, but he’s not one of us. We just gave him an award.

              • RedBeanzNRice

                @Panama Jackson & CornellWestside
                Are you sure? Cause I could have sworn he’s an Alpha.
                But, I’ve been wrong before, lol. Thanks for the correction.

            • http://www.myspace.com/circa1908 Intellectual Hedonist

              @ RedBeanzNRice, Q’s are always Sessy, even when they nasty…

              • http://www.threewaystotakeit.com Slim Jackson

                Not sure I can speak on the sessiness of other men, but ain’t nuttin wrong wit the Ques.lol. I happen to be one as well…and Mr. Westside I went to school where it’s pretty cold…gotta love upstate ny

  • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

    This post has me torn (like the gums of a crackhead with late stage gingivitis).

    Is it bout Erykah Badu or sleeveless turtlenecks? I love me some Erykah Badu and talking bout Ho Sh*t. This vid right here is also the reason why I love her:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92GM851j20k&eurl=http://theybf.com/.

    And sleeveless turtlenecks perplex me. Although, I bought one from H&M last year. It still has tags on it. And I stare at it in my closet, not quite sure what to do with it.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      @Luvvie, sleeveless turtlenecks are just wrong.

    • Gem of the Ocean

      lmao @ “be butt nekkid somewhere…. butt nekkid with glitter on you and a beeper”

    • charli skipper

      @Luvvie,
      torn (like the gums of a crackhead with late stage gingivitis).

      this makes me sad.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

      @Luvvie,

      I have a sleeveless turtleneck that is also backless. No idea when or where to wear it but it was a gift from my aunt.

      • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

        @Dom,

        I want some of what your Auntie was on when she picked this garment out and thought of you.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

          @PBG,

          Sh*t me too !

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        @Dom,

        A sleeveless and backless turtleneck is a conundrum bigger than the question “If Albert Einstein could come up with the theory of relativity, why couldn’t that dude figure out how to comb his hair?”

        It just perplexes me to no end.

    • http://missjaffre.blogspot.com missjess

      @Luvvie,
      LMAO!!!

      “Butt Naked with glitter on u and a beeper”
      wow!

  • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

    DANG it all to the fiery pits of Dereon Hell! My comment is awaiting moderation.

    • SouthernGirl

      @Luvvie, at the use of dereon hell i’m not even gonna add a real comment right now.i’m going to sleep. forever.

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        @SouthernGirl,

        You want me to call Austin & Royster’s? They pay me for funegro referrals. Your epitaph can say “She came, she wore Dereon, and died of grief”. Whatcha thank?

        • SouthernGirl

          @Luvvie, lmao! but don’t be telling folks i wear dereon. that’s just wrong. see, that’s how rumors get started.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @SouthernGirl,

        i’m going to sleep. forever.

        this made me produce a significant chuckle

  • charli skipper

    wait. tupac got shot?

    • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

      @charli skipper,

      it is too early to be sending folks to the SAT DOWN corner… so I will refrain…

    • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

      @charli skipper,

      Lol “Martin Luther King got assassinated. Tupac? That n*gga got shot!” – Chris Rock

  • charli skipper

    also, i loove andre 3000. and i think the fact that a woman can upgrade one man while ruining another is a testament to the fact that men ought not F*** with us. we might smile in your face like everything is cool, but 5 years later you’re gonna notice your swagger is missing. oh yeah.
    but, then, i love common too, so what do i know. erykah has great taste in the men.

    • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

      @charli skipper, my momma told me that whenever you see an old player looking like a fool… yall know…wearing those rayon short sets and dress shoes, or the vertical stripe shirts and pants with a hat with a feather in it… acid wash stay floed jeans and shirt with white boots…ya get my drift. and he is with a woman..that is her paying him back for all the shyt he did to her….

      • charli skipper

        @Shay-d-lady,
        yes, yes, yall! and the worst is when a woman is the cause of her man looking a hot mess and then talks about him. “Look at him…looking like a da*n fool.” lol

      • Luvtheshoes

        @Shay-d-lady,

        I saw on a couple of fashion websites that acid wash jeans are coming back in again. I swear between skinny jeans and acid wash, I’m through.

        • SouthernGirl

          @Luvtheshoes, um…..acid wash will never be back. i hated them sh!ts when they was out to tell you the truth.

    • RedBeanzNRice

      @charli skipper,
      “i loove andre 3000″

      *sighs & googly eyes* He’s SO fine. Woo lawd that man makes me weak in the kneecaps.

    • Princess Duvet

      @charli skipper, Andress 3000 is great taste???

      are we lookin at the same man?? I gotta go with Shay he looks like a fool. and yall KNOW dam@n well yall ladies aint hollerin at no dude who stays up with the flat iron or roller set…lookin tighter than most women’s hair do’s….

      SMH..this is some powerful residue Badu koolaid i see it works byproxy and for women on women too.

      • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com mssula

        @Princess Duvet,

        See, I generally love my men quirky and artsy. So Dre 3000 does it for me. A lot.

        • Princess Duvet

          @mssula, “men quirky and artsy”

          and quirky and artsy mean french roll or a snatch back..

          are you kidding me?

          • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Ms. Sula

            @Princess Duvet,

            Quirky is what the person makes of it. My definition is simple. It just means different from the norm. Now that can be pushed far and wide or kept close and nice.

            Andre 3000 is quirky and handsome. :)

    • Gem of the Ocean

      i loooove me some Dre 3G but fashionisto he is not. i think he may have a mental health issue. but he makes great music and his style antics are fun to watch.

      i remember running into him while i was down in the A. he’s real cool and down to earth. so my crush on him will continue…

    • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

      @charli skipper,

      Andre 3000 dresses like he is in a perpetual state of ‘shroom high. Ol’ psychedelic self. I need 3D glasses b4 looking directly at him.

      AND who told him wool hammer pants were ok? WHO???

      • charli skipper

        @Luvvie,

        yall gone stop talkin about 3 stacks, nah.

  • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

    Erykah Badu is my sheero, for truth. “Mama’s Gun” changed my life. The “Just do some hosh*t tirade” changed my life and friendships forever. (Word to luvvie, pbg, & overit.) She does have that power, that je ne sais quois f*ck it 2 tears in a bucket mentaility of mystery & intrigue and sh*t power.

    • overit

      @Relax, Relate, Alise, exactly! Shoot, who isn’t attracted to confidence? The “just do some hosh*t” tirade was the best, and Badu at her finest.

      • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

        @overit, The “just do some hosh*t” tirade was the best, and Badu at her finest.

        yes it was.. before her decline.. i love that dayum clip…

    • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

      @Relax, Relate, Alise,

      Thanks to you, I have watched that video clip everyday for nearly 2 weeks. That joint got us on some Celie/Nettie type shyt.

    • puff

      @Relax, Relate, Alise,

      amen and co-sign to your post. i love when she says in Me,

      “my azz and legs have gotten thick/it’s all me”

      she’s so fly, and knows it, which makes her even flyyer. i mean, she can seduce someone with a cup of herbal tea. that’s some extra gangsta sh*t, but as i don’t like tea, i’ll keep my “seduction” methods limited to baileys and palm wine.

      p.s. did anyone read the article in essence where she talks about how raphael saadiq came to her house and wouldn’t look her in the eye, cos he’d been told once you do you’re done for? someone should have faxed common that message in advance. or maybe it was him who let homeboy know…

      • miss t-lee

        @puff,
        “my azz and legs have gotten thick/it’s all me”
        Yeah the new album took some listening to a few times before I was like…gone Erykah!!! Lol

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @puff,

        p.s. did anyone read the article in essence where she talks about how raphael saadiq came to her house and wouldn’t look her in the eye, cos he’d been told once you do you’re done for?

        this reminds me of what jamie foxx said about prince in one of his hbo specials. someone should create a list of celebs you should never look in the eye.

        number one on my list? freeway

        • miss t-lee

          @The Champ,
          “number one on my list? freeway”

          How could you? I can never see past that beard/ crumb catcher on his face.

        • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

          @The Champ,

          just don’t look him directly in the beard.

          I think you shouldn’t look Jill Scott in the eye, bc I think anything she would say to me I would do, i think she is a mythical creature actually.

        • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

          @The Champ,

          Beyonce…her Creolian ocular powers will have me humming songs off that cacophony of crap-ola, “I Am…Sasha Fierce”.

        • 8th Wonder

          @The Champ,

          Aretha Franklin. I’d just stare at the floor whilst hoping her breasticles didn’t attack me.

          • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

            @8th Wonder,

            The Bosom of Doom

          • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

            @8th Wonder,

            as a fellow big busted wonder, I have to ask.. just HOW in the SAM HILL did hers get so BIG and… droopy? And why in the name of all that is good in the world does she think its okay to stick them dawgs (cuz they grew out of sweater puppy stage a LOOOONG time ago) a spaghetti strap dress with NO BRA?!?! Why Aretha?! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!?!?!?

            • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

              @blackberry molasses,

              Her bosom is like the Blob the more people it consumes and attacks the bigger they get… we shall name them Blob Boobies…

              • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

                @Relax, Relate, Alise,

                they are scary @ me (c)PBG and I am afeared of them (c) Luvvie

            • 8th Wonder

              What kills me is that you know she can afford to have a thousand reductions…there’s no way those thangs could be of any good use to anyone these days.

            • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

              @blackberry molasses,

              LMAO @ you calling the Queen of Soul’s breasts “dawgs”!! I mean seriously…that shyt right there is hilarious!

    • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

      @Relax, Relate, Alise,

      That vid is REALLY the best thang ever. I first saw it in April and I ain’t been the same since. One of my fave lines is:

      “Butt naked with some glitter on you and a beeper”. Not a beeper!!

      • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

        @Luvvie,

        That is THE BEST LINE of the entire video. I think I watch it solely to hear her say that part.

      • Gem of the Ocean

        lmao luvvie i just posted that upthread. it was my fav line when i 1st saw the vid and it still tickles me to this day.

    • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

      @Relax, Relate, Alise, you know what..I liked her.. but she is a “pseudo intellectual” she aint that deep ..she just a regular a$$ broad that tied her hair up and listened to a few 5 percenters…..she just like you and me which is why I liked her at first but now she on some other shyt and need to put herself in check… sorry… and yes you got 3 babies by 3 baby daddies… you were not trying to reinvent family you just a regular chick that liked some ninjas and got caught up like most chicks with babies.. not cause you was trying to prove some point …get the f!@ck otta here…however Moma’s gun and Erykah Badu live are 2 of my FAVORITE CDs eva…Cleva? didnt ya know? ya yo…but this last joint..it wasnt space age it was just wack as he.ll….

      • overit

        @Shay-d-lady, “you were not trying to reinvent family you just a regular chick that liked some ninjas and got caught up like most chicks with babies.”

        Please enter this dryer, you are soaking wet.

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        @Shay-d-lady,

        Dang. You just pissed on my Erykah parade. If this country wasn’t built up on the whole “free speech” bull, I’da sent you to the SAT DOWN corner to think bout your life. *Sigh* but I GUESS… MAYBE SORTA I have to allow you your *sigh* opinion.

        HA!

        • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

          @Luvvie, Dang. You just pissed on my Erykah parade. If this country wasn’t built up on the whole “free speech” bull, I’da sent you to the SAT DOWN corner to think bout your life. *Sigh* but I GUESS… MAYBE SORTA I have to allow you your *sigh* opinion.

          HA!

          thank you for such gracious acknowledgement of my very unpopular opinion….

      • Princess Duvet

        @Shay-d-lady, i agree here too…classic “invention” and “reinvention”…she does it all well tho.

        • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

          @Princess Duvet,

          If Madonna can do it, Erykah can too.

          • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

            @PBG, Imma say this.. madonna has her issues..lets not even get started at her attempt to reinvent se.xuality and how its defined..chick ho shyt is ho shyt even when you do it… but as far as music goes.. she has managed to stay with the times and be both popular and relevant.. Erykah is losing it.. and its not a black white thing..what good is book with a good story that no one ever reads?? same thing with music your job is to bring the music to the people…its about inclusion not exclusion so when you get to the “im to deep for you” point… you out of it cause thats not what it should ever be about….

            • overit

              @Shay-d-lady, I agree about the Madonnna thing. She invented hosh*t and then wants to adopt little boys from Africa.

              Is China not the business for adoption anymore?!

            • Princess Duvet

              @Shay-d-lady, ““im to deep for you” point… you out of it cause thats not what it should ever be about….”

              i agree here to with some exception. I think her career doesn’t span enough time to be able to pull this off effectively. It can work…

              (see..Miles Davis’ back to the audience when he played in his later years)

              or

              (see Aretha Franklin circa 1982)..my mama told me a story back in the day where ReRe got on stage with the band after they had started the song, that quite wasn’t up to Ms. ReRe’s standards, Ms. ReRe said (in front of the audience) “who are you playing for? You not playing for Aretha Franklin”..and she STORMED off the stage and no show LOL….

              long story short..that “untouchable” thing CAN work…but you can’t be in the game a solid 10/11 years …you need more people, more acclaim, more men…more time.

          • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com MsSula

            @PBG,

            Thank ya kindly!!!

            And what is it with all the “proper brigade”… Jeez! I can bet that her kids are a lot better adjusted than some kids in couple’s households.

      • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

        @Shay-d-lady,

        wowwwwwwwwww, just wow.

        but to touch on the 3 different fathers of her children: she taking care of the ninjas, she had them in the confines of committed relationships, and third go sat down….. she only made comments about it after being continually blasted about it, she aint bring that sh*t up….

        • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

          @Relax, Relate, Alise, my point is every chick is with 3 baby daddies is blasted about it.. there is a stigma attached to having more than 1 baby daddy, he.ll a baby daddy period.. I am pi$$ed that instead of her defense beeing.. you know shyt happens I loved all 3 men thought it could be more it wasnt but we made a beautiful child and I take care of them f!ck off.. she was on some I am so deep and my definition of family has evolved and ladidadi we like to party to..whatever chick….

          • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

            @Shay-d-lady,

            got ya….

          • Princess Duvet

            @Shay-d-lady, “she was on some I am so deep and my definition of family has evolved and ladidadi we like to party to..whatever chick….”

            it appears that her affect was NOT just on “her mens’s”…it was on some of the ladies too.

            thats some hypnotic kool aid when you got different standards for different folks, just cause they got a head wrap and peace sign on.

            I love her live performances and Im not a hater…but Ms. Badu is an ENTERTAINER with a “shtick” like errybody else. she maybe “anti-establishment” and many may find that endearing…but “anti-establishment” is just as much of a “shtick” as “thebeyoncefication” of America is.

            • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

              @Princess Duvet, love her live performances and Im not a hater…but Ms. Badu is an ENTERTAINER with a “shtick” like errybody else. she maybe “anti-establishment” and many may find that endearing…but “anti-establishment” is just as much of a “shtick” as “thebeyoncefication” of America is.

              I think we have entered the twilight zone…for the last month or so we have been seeing eye to eye on a lot of shyt Ms. duvet..WTF?

              • Princess Duvet

                @Shay-d-lady, im audting all my dam#n dust ruffles now..and it looks like some type of post jail martha stewart-new-woman-come-to jesus ..going ons…or maybe it was just the law of averages..our throughs were just bound to match up at some point.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            @Shay-d-lady,

            “she was on some I am so deep and my definition of family has evolved and ladidadi we like to party to”

            yeah she did kind of take it a weebit too far on that one…lol. you’re right, if she was just like, “i got caught up, y’all and i loved them and i love my babies so f*ck y’all” then fine…you can’t go trying to make your situation deeper than it really is by being uberdefensive.

            now the better querstion is…is it anybody’s business? nope. but she did chose to respond…

          • SouthernGirl

            @Shay-d-lady, i must have missed this part—>she was on some I am so deep and my definition of family has evolved and ladidadi we like to party

            not arguing against you but maybe i glossed over that article/interview? my eyebrows did go up when it came out that she was pregnant for the third time but then i was like, well, at least she has the means to take care of her children and seems to be a good mom.

            but like you said, when she started catching all that heat, all i really heard her say was what you were hoping she would have said–that she loves her kids and had them with men she was in committed relationships with and it just didn’t work out, etc. *shrugs*

            i like her music and she puts on a good show. maybe its because i really like her but don’t exactly stan for her and am therefore a bit removed that i’m not too up in arms about this or people saying she thinks too cool for school and all.

        • Princess Duvet

          @Relax, Relate, Alise, so its an exception now for black women to have 3 kids and NOT take care of them…Badu is the gold standard for the shyt??? is that what you tellin me?

      • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

        @Shay-d-lady,

        I tend not to give a good got dayum about her “baby daddy” situation because (a) those are HER babies and I wouldn’t have anybody come talkin’ smack to or about me and mine in NO KINDA WAY either and (b) my house is much like the cups @ my last party: glass-like. I need not toss one stone towards Ms.Badu or the chick that stays in the next building who is in the same boat as she is.

        • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

          @PBG, I am not casting stones..what i am saying is her plight is no different than that chick….I find it funny that many chicks will praise badu for being different and doing her own thing but the chick down the street in the same situation you frown and look at her crazy.. I dont thinks Erykah is better or worse she is the same..and she needs to recognize that…its the same thang.. I dont do situational ethics

          • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

            @Shay-d-lady,

            My entire comment there was a big ol’ “I statement”. All about me and my thinks on the issue. I hope I didn’t come across w/an accusatory tone.

            • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

              @PBG, My entire comment there was a big ol’ “I statement”. All about me and my thinks on the issue. I hope I didn’t come across w/an accusatory tone.

              naw chick you straight!!! we sisters..girl and when my locs grow up I want them to be just like yours… consequently my statements were I statements as well..I am not downing the 3 baby daddies..he.ll aint nobody perfect..I dont like her defense of it…thats all.. oh and the fact that Erykah is ghetto as hell..from the fake weave afro to the phonetic spelling of her name but because she got an unk and tied a curtain on her head WE crowned her as deep..shyt thats hood and thats why I liked her…. now.. iouknow..I feel like know she saying.. aww I got 3 baby daddies but I aint like them hood biatches….LMAO.

              • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com Deviant

                @Shay-d-lady,

                “but because she got an unk and tied a curtain on her head WE crowned her as deep”

                “unk” is part of a name for some wack a$$ rapper type dude, an ankh is the egyptian symbol you are referring to…

                and in her defense, if she was spouting that same earth talk on the block in TX – nigaraguans would still crown her as “deep”.

                Deep is not exactly an objective term. It depends on how shallow the individual using it is.

              • shay-d-lady

                @Deviant.. I am not sure what your point is.. I hate mindless correction for the sake of proving intelligence.. not sure if that was your intention but that’s how it came across…. I am well aware of the difference and the correct spelling, I made a mistake my bad. However that still doesn’t really have anything to do with my point. She is doing the same shyt that we down lots of other black people for. Tyrone is a regular a$$ ninjas aint shyt joint, she spells her name stereotypically crazy, rocks ridiculous hood attire and weaves and yet because she tattooed an ANKH on her arm and mention the word cipher and gave a bullshyt a$$ definition at the beginning of some CD now she is the queen goddess mother earth..on the streets or in a classroom setting if she was spouting that same shyt you guys would rip her and her and 2/.5% nonsense to shreds. However you and I agree on 1 thing, deep does depend on the person so maybe my depth requires a little more than superficial knowledge of Egyptian culture, 5 percenter mathmatics and a head scarf for me to crown you…

              • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com Deviant

                @Shay-d-lady,

                My intelligence needs no proof. I’m me. I corrected that which needed correcting. You shouldn’t get offended so easily. Besides, my insults tend to be very transparent.

                “She is doing the same shyt that we down lots of other black people for. ”

                The question here would be why are “we” downing other black people for it. What’s wrong with learning something besides extraterrestrials gods and rituals ? And what’s wrong with wanting to share what you’ve learned with others?

                Everybody knows at least one person in their monkeysphere who “went all the way black to the motherland” at some point. Be it converting to The Nation, 5%, or what other religion they read about in some off the radar bookstore.

                And there’s nothing wrong with that. Badu did it at a time when that kind of thing was at a lull and people welcomed it.

                You suggest that her knowledge of the culture you believe her to be perpetrating is superficial but all knowledge is superficial until you dig a little deeper. She may know more than she’s able to share in a single sitting.

                It’s unfair to expect a dissertation during every opening act. I mean even in all her “queen goddess mother earth”-dom, she’s still trying to sell records.

              • Gem of the Ocean

                @Shay-d-lady & Deviant,

                if yalls comments were nails you’d both be hammers becuz i think you hit them on the head. i think both of your perspectives are valid. and i’m feelin the discourse…

                as i see it, some ppl think E is deep and on some uber-spiritualized intellectualizm simply becuz they don’t know wtf she’s talm bout and it just sounds ancestrally wise and sh*t. at the same time just becuz she rocks the gear she rocks and says the things she says don’t necessarily make her “queen goddess mother earth”. that said, just becuz some may deem her antics as regular ol “hood” sh*t doesn’t make her NOT the “queen goddess mother earth” that some (likely including herself) may see her as.

                i mean, the ish is all relative. i like E cuz she’s E. she seems to love herself, she promotes self love and she teaches (from what i read) her children to love themselves. self-love is beautiful and so many ppl lack it. besides, her music moves me and her steez is funky. she marches to the beats of her own drums and is on her grown woman. i don’t deem her as some VooBaDoo priestess with the power of a thousand splendid suns but if she is to her fans, so be it. i don’t knock her hustle.

              • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com Deviant

                @Gem,

                i think you summed it up nicely.

              • shay-d-lady

                Deviant.. what are you trying to tell me? I am saying that I dont think she should be put on a pedestal. I am saying she is selling records. So I dont see why you feel the need to clarify these things to me? I am not insulted but I do find it annoying if you correct something for the sake of correcting you knew what I meant it didn’t prevent your understanding…but that’s neither here nor there ..that’s just a personal pet peeve of mine. However my point is this whether she has in depth knowledge or not she has not displayed sufficient enough knowledge for the praise that ‘we” give her as being deep and intellectual. When I say “we” I mean our culture as a collective whole. I am saying that if you think a chick with 3 baby daddies is not the business then Erykah doesn’t get excluded, if you disagree with the 5 percenter logic, Erykah is not excluded. If you will laugh at boomquesha for tattooing an Ankh on her arm because she don’t know shyt about Egypt, Erykah is not excluded. If you hate people that spell their names in ridiculous ways or name their children ridiculous shyt.. Puma and fly aint no better than apple. You say its unfair to require a sweeping dissertation. I don’t require that in order to like singing, I don’t require it to buy her albums, I do, however, require it if I am going to hold her up as an intellectualist or mother earth priestess. She has not displayed anything that makes me regard her as anything other than a talented musician. I have not questioned that although her music as of late might warrant it.

          • overit

            @Shay-d-lady, to be honest, I like any woman that takes ownership of her situation. It beats watching countless women run off stage after being told Tyrone was NOT the father. I think I like Erykah cause she owns her situation, for better or worse.

            Same goes for the chick next door, she can have as many kids as she wants, her choices might not have been mine, but if she does right by her kids, she is a-ok with me.

            • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

              ***disclaimer*****to be clear.. I dont have a problem with anybody with baby daddies….. I love good baby daddies.. he.ll I had a baby daddy before I had a husband so dont get it twisted.. that is not my issue with Erykah

          • jana.love

            @Shay-d-lady,

            i see where you are coming from, but when some celeb names their baby “Comforter” or “alarm clock” we say, oh they are just being crazy, but then when shaniqua names her daughter le-a (read: La DASH a), we straight up call her ass ghetto (and she is).

            plus i don’t really think anyone is puttin her down for it. she is well, babies is cute as hell and she is proud of it and still makin music. compared to sister lauryn over there eatin a buncha crazy pie for breakfast. got four damn kids for one man and cannot produce one single. :( and got the crazies!

            • 8th Wonder

              “when shaniqua names her daughter le-a (read: La DASH a)…”

              I just CRIED.

              OMGJesusbeafenceIcan’tdealI’veneverlaughedsohard.

            • IVR

              @jana.love, “i see where you are coming from, but when some celeb names their baby “Comforter” or “alarm clock” we say, oh they are just being crazy, but then when shaniqua names her daughter le-a (read: La DASH a), we straight up call her ass ghetto (and she is).”

              Uhhh. . .Comforter and Alarm Clock are gonna be straight . . . there name (last name more likely) WILL get them a job if they need one. . . le-a and boomsheeka just might be forming the line at the church to get government cheese . . . crazy got bread . . .ghetto collecting cheese. Apple is gonna be good (I dont know about Blanket though. . aint that Michael’s caucasian kid’s name?)

              • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

                @IVR, ain’t it your birf-day and sh*t? Happy Birthday!

              • IVR

                @Relax, Relate, Alise , ” ain’t it your birf-day and sh*t? Happy Birthday!”

                It is . . .thank you kindly for the birthday well wishes. . . Party at Layla lounge tomorrow! Holla BACK!

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                @IVR,

                HAPPY BORNDAY, IVR!!!! You KNOW I gotta take a swig of Bailey’s JUST for you. :-)

              • IVR

                @Luvvie, “HAPPY BORNDAY, IVR!!!! You KNOW I gotta take a swig of Bailey’s JUST for you. ”

                Good looking out luvvie!

              • Princess Duvet

                @IVR, happy bday…

                i agree blanket is a real stretch …should have named that baby, Duvet (with an accent over the silent t)

              • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

                @IVR,

                ooooh, I love birfays!!!

                have a happy nappy birfay!

                **Diva Dust ™**

              • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

                @IVR,

                Happy Birthday!

                Celebrating @ Layla Lounge, huh? I may come thru. I need more material for a roast blog. That place was filled to the brim w/blog-able offenses when I was there w/the VSB crew a couple of weeks back.

              • miss t-lee

                @IVR,
                Happy Happy sir.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                @IVR, happy birthday broham.

              • http://www.myspace.com/wudaman19 WuDaMan

                @IVR,
                AAAAa Happy Birday man. Yo I got another homeboy who’s b-day is today too. You Sagi’s are ice cold. *clap clap* VSS get the tip drill going for IVR

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                @IVR,

                you know what though, when you consider the fact that we have a cat whose middle name is f*cking HUSSEIN as president (elect), i think bombaclatquisha has a chance.

                oh, and happy birthday and sh*t

              • IVR

                @PBG, “Celebrating @ Layla Lounge, huh? I may come thru. I need more material for a roast blog. That place was filled to the brim w/blog-able offenses when I was there w/the VSB crew a couple of weeks back.”

                Yeah! Its my facebook profile pic. . .someone made a flyer . . .lol . . . its ghetto but I never had a flyer before. . .How is that place? (obviously not my idea to go there)

              • RedBeanzNRice

                @IVR,

                *singin* Happy birthday to yah, happy birrrthday to yah, happy biiirthday. (Thanks, Stevie Wonder)

                Happy BDay to you (even though you’re a Sagittarius instead of a Capricorn) – it’s not your fault, we can’t all be perfect. ; )

                I’m only joking; Aquarius and Libras are perfect too, lol. ; )

              • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

                @Champ

                ……”bombaclatquisha”

                completely NOT NECESSARY. Its a shame I can’t send you to the corner in your own house.

              • IVR

                @VSB, Thanks folks! Making me feel all loved and ish . . . It is TRULY appreciated!

                WuDaMan it is also Jay’s (Jay-Z) birthday. . . shout out to Brooklyn!

                Champ – Mr. Husein also graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard and almost lost a race to an old fool who graduated at the bottom of his class. . .bombaclatquisha might need to step her game up.

                RedBeanzNRice – thank you! It always amazed me how females knew exactly what zodiac sign they are in during a given day. . . craziness.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

                Happy Birthday IVR!

              • SouthernGirl

                @IVR, *sees long @ss line of birthday wishes. throws gold birthday stars at IVR. walks out*

      • Gem of the Ocean

        @Shay-d-lady,

        “but she is a “pseudo intellectual” she aint that deep ..she just a regular a$$ broad that tied her hair up and listened to a few 5 percenters”

        omg girl, me and my mama were sayin this same thing last year! don’t get me wrong, i LOVED me some E.Badu. i used to be all up in Egyptian culture, and when she came out with Baduizm and the ankhs and ish–i knew it musta been love!! i mean i was all caught up in the Badu game.

        anyhoo, i’ve watched her over the years and like shay-d, i see her as just a regular a*s chick with regular life situations. and i don’t say that in a negative or demeaning way, but she is! she’s no better no deeper no more “in touch” spiritually than many other black mothers holding down their homes. she did lose me when she got “too deep” for folk. like really?? you’re just not that deep to me, sorry. but i think 5%-ers be on some other ish anyway.

        all that being said, none of this takes away from E’s musical abilities, parenting, or anything. i give her credit for the artist/mother she is. and i still STAN for that chick and will give any album she puts out a try. cuz i’m still mesmorized by the Green Eyez.

        *singing* ya booty might be bigga but i still could pull yo n*gga but i don’t want ‘im.

        • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

          @Gem of the Ocean,

          *sings along with you*

          that song is crazy. along with Cleva. hell, all of Mama’s Gun was just delish.

          • Gem of the Ocean

            yes girl. “and with no bra my ninny’s sag down low” is it just me or when you heard this you were like what ninny’s?? let’s be real E, you not workin with enough to sag, boo.

            • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

              @Gem of the Ocean, that might have been during one of her pregnancies.. Pregnancy is like having temporary breast implants..

              • Gem of the Ocean

                sho you right.

        • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

          @Gem of the Ocean,

          I think that i now have a girl e-crush on u for this comment…

          • Gem of the Ocean

            lol pgh muse you are so silly

            • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

              @Gem of the Ocean,

              hey… i may be vending @ an event on friday that looks interesting. i’ll forward u the email…

    • RedBeanzNRice

      It’s weird, though. A while back I was on another blog, and they was talkin bout Badu, but not in a good way. Some people were sayin how crazy she was; like basket-case crazy. And how deranged she can be when it comes to her men; just overall very unflattering things about her personality. She just doesn’t strike me as that type of person in the least. Could ALL those people just be “haters”, or is there some truth to what was said?

      • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com MsSula

        @RedBeanzNRice,

        Not haters per se, but it’s their opinion. And unanimity is seldom achieved in this world. Even Ghandi had ennemies, so you know.

        Some will love it, other will hate it, most won’t understand it. Tis life I say.

      • Princess Duvet

        @RedBeanzNRice, I think people gonna always have an opinion..

        As an entertainer, i actually would be concerned if folks WEREN’T talkin bout me…

        i personally feel her appeal is part pixie dust part real talent part people are attracted to esoteric shyt (in an intellectual and very “mother earth” exclusionary way, Shay touched on this a little upthread)…ie..”if you don’t get this song (like my crew here) you’re wack as hell”.

        “and my crew is so nice”.

        • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

          @Princess Duvet,

          Hey grrrrl! I think we need to have a post from someone round these parts about the ubiquitous word hater, it is thrown around so liberally and free flowing and sh*t, and hardly ever applies, don’t ya think?

          • Princess Duvet

            @Relax, Relate, Alise,

            “Hey grrrrl! I think we need to have a post from someone round these parts about the ubiquitous word hater”

            i agree..it is rather overused…i mostly use it in a (air quote) cliche ..kind of way..to get down “wit my peoples” in a badu-a-fi-cation sort of way.

            you know?? LOL…

            sike let me stop…for real tho..i totally agree. Its overused and super annoying. So much so..i use it..and then i hate myself right after. Cause when the “kids” started saying it..i swore i would never use the word in that context.

            • RedBeanzNRice

              @Princess Duvet,
              “i agree..it is rather overused…i mostly use it in a (air quote) cliche ..kind of way..”

              Agreed. So do I. The term haters is thrown around like hookers change they draws, so the real meaning is lost.
              I drink haterade on the daily (sometimes wit vodka) so I know all about true hatin. Having said that, people use the term simply because they have an affinity towards a celebrity about which others may have different opinions. (i.e. “You HATIN on Beyonce cause you ain’t got her talent.” No, I’m not hatin, I’m sayin she’s a backstabbin, wannaebe actin, money grubbin can’t dance, so constantly booty-shakin, no real talent, fame whore)

              **sidenote: in case you couldn’t tell, I can’t stand her (for morals), but that’s just me, lol.

              That’s NOT hating, that’s just another opinion.
              I use the quotes because to me it symbolizes superficial hating, but again, that’s just me, lol.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                @RedBeanzNRice,

                Agreed. So do I. The term haters is thrown around like hookers change they draws,

                ummm, this analogy/simile doesnt work because as luvvie taught me, hookers don’t wear draws

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

                @RedBeanzNRice,

                “You HATIN on Beyonce cause you ain’t got her talent.” No, I’m not hatin, I’m sayin she’s a backstabbin, wannaebe actin, money grubbin can’t dance, so constantly booty-shakin, no real talent, fame whore ”

                ***Throws hands up in worship***

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                @Champ,

                “ummm, this analogy/simile doesnt work because as luvvie taught me, hookers don’t wear draws”

                And as Champ taught me, that myth bout Black men is a lie bigger than Re-Re the Body’s flaccid tits.

                Pinky finger… that is all.

                Ol’ 010 nether regions looking face.

              • Gem of the Ocean

                @RedBeanzNRice,

                “in case you couldn’t tell, I can’t stand her (for morals), but that’s just me, lol.”

                for morals?? really?? is it that serious??

              • RedBeanzNRice

                @Gem of the Ocean

                “for morals?? really?? is it that serious??”

                Well, with her it is. She just doesn’t set well with me because of all the dirty mess that she’s done to get where she is. Besides that, I don’t think she has any real talent.

              • Gem of the Ocean

                what dirty mess tho??

        • RedBeanzNRice

          @Princess Duvet,
          “i personally feel her appeal is part pixie dust part real talent part people are attracted to esoteric shyt”

          You know what? That’s SO on point. When her first record, Baduizm, dropped I was HOOKED. So basically, I’m a stan fa life, lol. But after Mama’s Gun hit, I just wasn’t feelin it; except “Bag Lady” the remix version, which by the way was NOT on her CD that I paid 12.99 for, but I ain’t mad, still loves me some Erykah.

          You know what I rarely ever hear mentioned about Erykah Badu? The fact that SHE’S GORGEOUS.

          She is in fact physically gorgeous, but by her vocal stylings, and overall “tell it like it is” lyrics, people actually get past the fact that she’s gorgeous, and HEAR what she’s saying. That’s another thing that makes me love her; she gains respect for her mindset, and not for her looks.

          The pixie dust is just extra gravy, lol.

          • Princess Duvet

            @RedBeanzNRice,

            “You know what I rarely ever hear mentioned about Erykah Badu? The fact that SHE’S GORGEOUS.”

            now this i won’t deny..She is an extremely beautiful woman in like an iconic way…bald/afro/repunzel/braids…don’t matter.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            @RedBeanzNRice,

            “But after Mama’s Gun hit, I just wasn’t feelin it; except “Bag Lady” the remix version, which by the way was NOT on her CD that I paid 12.99 for, but I ain’t mad, still loves me some Erykah.”

            waitjustacottonpickinminute, you actually didn’t like Mama’s Gun????? that might be one of the best albums to come out of the whole neo-soul movement. in fact, i think it is the best, with possibly on D’Angelo’s “Brown Sugar” giving it a run for its money…

            on a strictly musical level that album is insane. so much attention to detail and production and above all else, it just sounds good…her words were good…

            hell, “didn’t cha know” by itself is a MONSTER.

            btw, was anybody else shocked when they found out that song was a sample? and not straight original music…lol. when i heard the original joint i was floored. Dilla put his foot in that beat…

            • miss t-lee

              @Panama Jackson,
              I was shocked.
              “didn’t cha know” is a beautiful song.
              (.)

            • Gem of the Ocean

              yeah, Peej, everything about Mama’s Gun is just awesome. like, it had me in sheer and utter AWE.

              i listen to “didn’t cha know” particularly when i’m walking down the street in the fall/winter, for some reason it is the perfect walk-to-work song. the wind blowing, i’m bundled up in my scarf and coat. like it is so fitting and it makes me feel like i’m part of the song. idk. i’m weird.

              • miss t-lee

                @Gem of the Ocean,
                Wow. I totally got that Gemmie.
                Niiiice.

              • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

                @Gem of the Ocean,

                I feel that way about “Penitentiary Philosophy”. That’s actually my favorite song from the album.

                “Eeevil, don’t. you. test. me. Eeeevil, you. won’t. win.”

                I love that joint!

            • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com mssula

              @Panama Jackson,

              Agreed.

              Orange Moon to me is the beautiful-est song ever. The drums, the instruments… Just magical.

              • http://myspace.com/time4sumakshone AkShone

                @mssula,

                Orange Moon could calm the savage beast, and by savage beast, I mean me when I’m angry.

                I love all of her work, but Mama’s Gun was…amazing. J Dilla…d@mn.

            • RedBeanzNRice

              @Panama Jackson,

              Sorry. I loves me some Dilla (rest in peace) but STILL, that album was just not the bomb. Dilla got wit me on some Pharcyde and slightly on the Slum, but wit Erykah, I just didn’t feel the justice as a whole.

              • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

                @RedBeanzNRice,

                *reaches for the Anointed Oils*

                Now keep still, Redz, this won’t hurt a bit…

                Grab her arms, PeeJay!

              • RedBeanzNRice

                @PBG

                Oh, so now I need an exorcism, some annointed oils, a root, and some random chicken foots?

                Ok, ok..I LOVED it.

                *lies through her teeth, but makes a break for the door with minor cuts and bruises, but thankfully still alive*

                PS: Remind me to never say nothin bad bout Mama’s Gun again, lol

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                @RedBeanzNRice, i love how you say that you love you some Dilla, but liked him mostly on pharcyde where he didn’t do THAT many tracks i think like 7 on labcabincalifornia (it had 19 tracks or something), slightly on Slum where he did nearly ALL of their early tracks and not at all on Mama’s Gun where “didn’t cha know” may be one of his better joints.

                just as a point of reference…lol…what makes you love dilla??!?

                ps. i’m a music snob. and hip-hop backpacker elitist who loves down south music, dipset, and thinks NWA is the greatest group of all time and thinks ray-j has some good albums.

            • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

              @Panama Jackson,

              I agree. Mama’s Gun is an awesome record. really.

            • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

              @Panama Jackson, waitjustacottonpickinminute, you actually didn’t like Mama’s Gun????? that might be one of the best albums to come out of the whole neo-soul movement. in fact, i think it is the best, with possibly on D’Angelo’s “Brown Sugar” giving it a run for its money…

              on a strictly musical level that album is insane. so much attention to detail and production and above all else, it just sounds good…her words were good…

              hell, “didn’t cha know” by itself is a MONSTER.

              Yes lawd…. Mama’s gun is that Good Good…..that joint is on heavy rotation

              • RedBeanzNRice

                @Panama,

                “ps. i’m a music snob. and hip-hop backpacker elitist who loves down south music, dipset, and thinks NWA is the greatest group of all time and thinks ray-j has some good albums.”

                Wow. NWA? The greatest? You’re kidding right? They were aiight wit the first 2 albums, but after that? No so much. Cube’s breakout record was better than NWA’s first album but neither one of em could touch Dre’s Chronic. But the best group of all time: A Tribe Called Quest. Thank you.

                I guess I’ll always be confused by how you can like some really good music, but then say Ray-J has some good albums. I hope you’re joking there, too.

                I didn’t love Dilla til “She Said”, but that’s what made me love him.

  • overit

    I love Erykah, and I love Andre. Shoot, I love Common too (come on home boo! I still love you!). I think Erykah’s secret lies in the fact she is her OWN person. Too many celebs follow social cues on who they will be, she really aint like anyone out there, and is unapologetic about it. I can see why those who enter her web would feel liberated to do the same.

    ps) Kufis rock hard in Chicago lol, I don’t think that was Erykah’s doing.

    • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

      @overit,

      “Kufis rock hard in Chicago”

      Do they?? Where? I don’t see many men rocking Kufis here. Well, we do have the Nation of Islam. But even Juicy haired Louis don’t rock no Kufi. Ol’ Gloing soul face.

      • overit

        @Luvvie, LMAO @ the Nation, well, I did imagine there would be some Nationer’s rockin kufis, I guess my point was that I did not see kufi’s as an effect of Baduism. Kufi’s have been around for a minute.

        • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

          @overit,

          Some chick I went to college had a Kufi to match every outfit. It bordered on slightly tacky when she’d rock an orange kufi, orange shirt, and orange shoes. I wanted to squeeze her and make some juice. Hot mess.

          • overit

            @Luvvie, wow. Did she ever get colds?

            • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

              @overit,

              She betta hadn’t. U’d think her vitamin C level would be off the charts.

              • 8th Wonder

                I’m done with you.

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                @8th Wonder,

                Don’t be done with me!! But I love you!! *grabs Aif’s ankles*

              • 8th Wonder

                Champ did that exact thing last night.

                *smh*

          • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

            @Luvvie,

            Kufi’s always make me think of the Jay-Z line roasting Nas, “And y’all buy the sh*t, caught up in the hype, Cuz the ni**a wear a kufi, it don’t mean that he bright…..”

            • overit

              @Relax, Relate, Alise, Jay-Z needs to sat down and leave my bo Nas alone lol. I do like that line tho lol.

            • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

              @Relax, Relate, Alise,

              Ol’ Camel Mouth does have some good lines sometimes

              • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

                @Luvvie, Is it a coincidence that Jay looks like a camel, and Bey has perpetual camel toe ?

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                @Alise, “Is it a coincidence that Jay looks like a camel, and Bey has perpetual camel toe ?”

                You tryna say they gon have some hunchback, Quasimodo looking spawns?? Possibly…

              • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

                @Luvvie,

                Oh no, ladies. That is no coincidence. Things like that don’t happen just by chance. I personally think she was offered up to him while still a teenager in some backroom dealings between Roc-a-fella and Matthew Knowles back in the day.

                Oh yeah…it could happen.

              • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

                @Luvvie, Oh no, ladies. That is no coincidence. Things like that don’t happen just by chance. I personally think she was offered up to him while still a teenager in some backroom dealings between Roc-a-fella and Matthew Knowles back in the day.

                Oh yeah…it could happen.

                shyt.. I am with you right there PBG…. what sane parent with a daughter all ready making big bucks would be approving of old a$$ jay z with your cough..20 cough year old daughter… (we all know beyonce 31 and michelle a$$ is 40 I dont give a dayum what you say)…. its like the Aailiyah and r kelly shyt.. yeah he wrong but her parents let his a$$ have her for that contract….

              • RedBeanzNRice

                @Shay-d-lady
                “what sane parent with a daughter all ready making big bucks would be approving of old a$$ jay z with your cough..20 cough year old daughter”

                The greedy kind named Matthew and Tina. They don’t care bout nothin but that paper. I swear I think Matthew is Barry Gordy’s first cousin, Sug Knight’s step-daddy and Babyface’s uncle; all of em are unscrupulous wrecking balls wit dolla signs on the brain.

            • V Renee

              @Relax, Relate, Alise

              Speaking of Jay….someone should do a post on his top lines. I feel like there’s a Jay Z qoute for any and every situation. Sometimes when I say them, I get mad if the other person doesn’t catch it (aka old 2520′s).

    • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

      @overit,

      I’ve been calling Kufi’s “Golden Child hats” forever.

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        @PBG,

        Not “Golden Child”!!

        Haahahah “I want the knife. PLLLLEEEEAAASSSEEE”

        • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

          @Luvvie, I said I-I-I-I want-want-wa-wa-want the kniiiiiiiiiiiiiiife p-p-p-p-puh-leazzzzzzzzze….

          • Gem of the Ocean

            lmao yesss!! my fave scene!!

            • http://www.myspace.com/wudaman19 WuDaMan

              @Gem of the Ocean,
              my favorite scene is when they in the airport. MY DEAR BROTHER NUMPSE. I SHOULD BE PURGED FOR I HAVE WRONGED MY BROTHER.

              bwaaahahaha cold blooded

              • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

                @WuDaMan, VIVA Nepal!

      • overit

        @PBG, why that reminded me of Willy Wonka I don’t know. Can somebody tuck me in?

        • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

          @overit,

          You can go lie down on the Therapy Fold-Out Chair I keep in the Prayer Cubicle and use the 3 receiving blankets I borrowed from work to cover up.

          • http://www.myspace.com/wudaman19 WuDaMan

            @PBG,
            wait them is recieving blankets. I thaught they was the lap napkins for ladies who don’t know we live in a material world. Coming to church in too small a skirt. You know I was listening to the book of Madona the other day it said ‘we are living in a matterial world’ they need more matterial. Uh oh somebody done caught the spirit & is sizzeling on the floor get a lap napkin on they skirt bottom. lol

            • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

              @WuDaMan,

              LMAO @ “sizzling on the floor” and “lap napkin”!!

              Those lap napkins aren’t big enough for a decent nap. But a baby blanket…woohooo! I’ve taken many a nap under one of those and they get the job done in a pinch.

    • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

      @overit, I think Erykah’s secret lies in the fact she is her OWN person.

      at first yes.. but recently she has gotten caught up and tried to force innovation instead of just doing her… when you try so hard to prove that you are to cool to be cool, when you try to force being different and unique instead of letting it flow naturally you become just as cliche as those within the circle trying to fit in.. LUPE this means you and your whole im the next Andre 3000 stick you got going right now.ninja.. cut it out..put that time and those skills elsewhere….

      • overit

        @Shay-d-lady, Lupe though?! We need to discuss this one love of mine at a time. I can see how people kill a good thing and need to learn how to stop. Rarely is anyone’s last album their best. 23 to 45 anyone? There should be SAT DOWN laws in real life, but alas, there is no glitter or gold to be found in the real world.

        As far as Erykah, who is to say she wasn’t trying too hard? Maybe she was trying to top her best, push herself to try something new. I actually haven’t listened to her new stuff like that, but everything has been so predictable and uniform, and well, stagnant (mainstream) that she probably felt she could flip it on em. Bottom line, does anyone even know what Badu is trying to do?? I know I don’t.

        Either way, can we agree we’d take Badu over Bey?

        • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

          @overit, I dont know.. they are 2 different creatures and I want them both but i have issues with both of them for trying way to hard to be inventive..just do you….cause when you stop and listen to the noise you will always be led astray..and Hey dont get me wrong its easy for me to say. I dont have record exces fans, svengali fathers and baby daddies pulling me in all different directions… but the bottom line is when you lose focus of who you truly are you go crazy… see Lauryn, Deangelo…he.ll all them neo soul niccas lose it..

          • overit

            @Shay-d-lady, I understand where you’re coming from, but do not, do not, do NOT, bring up Lauryn. I mean, why didn’t she come to me?! Why didn’t she say anything? Why didn’t Deangelo put down the twinkie and appreciate his…talent as much as we did, you know what. I need to go lay down on the blankets PBG got for me.

            • overit

              @overit, OK, I am responding to say that I am not sure if Twinkies are the result of Deangelo not preserving his sexy, hey maybe Angie Stone is another Badu, weren’t those two together?

              Either way, I am grateful that there is video documentation of what once was. That’s all the more ppl you need.

            • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

              @overit, girl my eyes water everytime i hear ex factor.. cry for me cry for me….cmon lauryn… I want her to comeback almost more than i wanted Barrack to win………

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                @Shay-d-lady,

                Well mayb now that Barack is in office, Lauryn will be inspired to do something other than have her legs up in the air popping out kids for Rohan’s no good, child support NON-payment behind.

                I LOVE Lauryn. Gawd KNOWS I do! But I’ll kill her dead if she go out one mo ‘gin in some clown costume and no voice talm bout she having a concert.

                Just like yall blame Erykah for effing Common up. Rohan Marley REALLY did a job on Lauryn’s psyche.

              • overit

                @Shay-d-lady, sigh @ ex factor. That song is my heart. Cry for me, Cry for me. But I do Lauryn, I do!

                *saying a prayer for Lauryn*

              • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

                Just like yall blame Erykah for effing Common up. Rohan Marley REALLY did a job on Lauryn’s psyche.

                Luvvie.. that ninja is the anti christ… but thats what forcing a situation will do to you… i tell you.. sometimes you gotta be stronge enough to LEAVE…hell Kenny rogers said.. you gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em. know when to walk away and know when to run..she should have ran from that ninja like flo jo in the Seoul olympics

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            @Shay-d-lady,

            l-boogie is the single biggest disappointment in the history of modern music, and noone else even comes close. i’m surprised more people dont talk about that.

            • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

              @The Champ,

              We would, but honestly…it’s just too painful.

              • miss t-lee

                @PBG,
                It’s sooooooo painful. You see her now and she’s a shell of her former self…sad.

            • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

              @The Champ,

              hmmmm… i disagree. I kinda see Lauryn’s situation a little different. I really empathize with her. I do think she went crazy… but I think it was kinda crazy like a fox. I would love to see her make a comeback. I truly believe that Ms. Hill definitely had a break with with everything but i don’t think it was just Rohan… she had a bunch of babies back to back so there where a lot of hormones involved…. then she had a lot of people eating off of her too. I have one babysitter that i have to pay every week and I be sweating to get her her money… i can’t imagine having a whole bunch of people making their livleyhoods (did i spell that right?) off me…. that’s a lot of stress. you gotta be perfect to perform, look perfect, you got like 4 babies running around hanging off your hips and you want to be a mother.. and be a star… i think it was too much.. so she flipped. Went on stage in clown make up… like how ya’ll like me now. I loved her unplugged cd’s. I think that once her children are older we may see more from Lauryn Hill.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                @pgh muse,

                all of this is true, and none if it has any bearing on me saying that she’s the most disappointing artist of our time. the reasoning behind the disappointment doesnt change the fact that its still a disappointment

              • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

                @Champ,

                Did u like the unplugged cd’s?

              • miss t-lee

                @pgh muse,
                “I think that once her children are older we may see more from Lauryn Hill.”

                Will we still care though? The public is fickle, you’re outta the limelight too long and you get forgotten about. Especially in hip-hop.
                Plus, if you stay gone too long and come back with some hot garbage, it’s a complete wrap.
                I don’t think she can recover. It would make a great story if she could though.

              • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

                @ Miss t-lee,

                That’s true, and she’ll be old(er)… but i don’t know. Lauryn also sings. Good music is good music… if she dropped and album 10 years from now and it was fire i’d get it… even if it’s playing on the adult contemporary station.

              • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

                @ The Champ,

                The reason i asked if you like the cds is bcuz i think I would have been more dissappointed with Lauryn if she just made horrible music to stay relevent and wasn’t true to herself. I think she has a good enough body of work to have a place in history… and not (to me) as a disappointment…

              • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

                @miss t-lee,

                i kinda see Lauryn like Effie from Dreamgirls when she gets older… she gets another chance to do her thing.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                @pgh muse, i’m with The Champ here…i think she’s the bar for which you can measure a fall. she was the epitome of both woman and artistry at her height and now she’s kind of an industry laughing stock and punching bag, much of which is self-imposed. hell, its rumored that she required Pras (her own damn cousin) and wyclef to refer to her as Ms. Hill towards her. ninja please. that’s not hormones, that’s borderline insanity, not to mention picking the worst possible time to castigate the catholic church…IN THE VATICAN.

                all the potential in the world. i dont think we’ll ever get old lauryn back to tell the truth. and i’m not sure we’re ready for new lauryn.

              • miss t-lee

                @pgh muse,
                Okay…if she pulls an Effie…I could get with that…lol
                @ panama
                “not to mention picking the worst possible time to castigate the catholic church…IN THE VATICAN”

                I TOTALLY forgot about that…lol

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                @pgh muse,

                to me, the best analogy i can think of with l-boogs is if lebron james decided to retire at the end of the season. yeah, he’s had a great career so far, but with his talent level and room for growth, we expect alot more. same goes for heath ledger, river phoenix, big pun, and countless others.

                again though, me saying that she’s disappointing is me speaking strictly from a fans perspective, and is no indictment on her or how she chooses to live her life. but, as a fan, you cant help but be disappointed when the person who was a part of one of the top 10 rap albums of all-time, released one of the most highly acclaimed solo debuts of all-time, and had the potential to be one of the top 3 or 4 rappers of all time (this is a fact and not up for debate), falls completely off the map and releases a couple barely coherent cd’s as a morsel of solace to her fans

              • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

                @ Champ / Panama

                hmmmm… I agree. She did crack. And it was completely dramatic… and I do think that her fall from grace displayed a level of insanity… and it was a far fall… but maybe that tells us something about having it “all”…I don’t know. I would love to see Lauryn make music again…I’m like the Comeback Girl. i love to see someone be redeemed. Especially someone that talented and relevent.

              • Princess Duvet

                @pgh muse,

                “I do think she went crazy… but I think it was kinda crazy like a fox”

                BINGO I’ll add “dumb” interchangeably” for my favorite dumb/crazy fox jessica simpson. The joke really is on “us”. LOL

            • Leila

              @The Champ, I can’t think of a worst disappointment. I loved her music and then she let her talent go to waste….

        • miss t-lee

          @overit,
          “Either way, can we agree we’d take Badu over Bey?”

          All day, erry day, and twice on Sunday.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            @miss t-lee, hmm…i aint sure i can give you this one. but i could just be trying to be devil’s advocate. let me think on this…

            i just aint sure i can live without my Writings On The Wall CD. Amerykhan Promise, i aint seen it since i bought it.

            • miss t-lee

              @Panama Jackson,
              I own one DC album and that was a burned copy (Destiny Fulfilled)
              I own a few of Erykah’s cd’s and New Amerykah Pt 1, hasn’t ever left the car…lol
              But you already know how I feel about Bey…lmao

            • Gem of the Ocean

              ahhhhhh dayyyyum *pulling up Writings on the Wall on the iPod*

              it’s been a minute. i need to revisit. thanks Peej.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          @overit, word.life. on the Lupe. that dude just irks me. when you go on interviews (which he has done) to say that you’re intentionally trying to go over people’s head, you need to be slapped.

          also, he lost beaucoup points with me when he went OUT OF HIS WAY to say he never listened to the ATCQ or De La’s of the day in favor of the Spice 1′s etc like he shouldnt know any of that music. hell, the reason he’s any kind of popular is b/c of the ATCQs of the world b/c he gets lumped into that category, fairly or unfairly, and benefits from the positive-by-not-being-negative schtick he has going.

          i just dont like that dude.

          • miss t-lee

            @Panama Jackson,
            I was done with Lupe when he forgot the words on Hip Hop Honors.
            That and that whole “I’ma release 3 albums and retire” fraggle naggle bullish…
            ‘eff out here with that ish, dawg.

            • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

              @miss t-lee,

              That was disrespectful as h3ll, IMO. He needs to do better. Talkin’ trash about ATCQ is akin to blasphemy in my world.

              • miss t-lee

                @PBG,
                I agree. :)
                You’re supposed to doing a paying homage to a group and you forget the lyrics?
                Just wrong.
                I bet they coulda pulled up any fan from the audience to do a better job…lol

          • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

            @Panama Jackson, I’m still mad at him for riding to work on a Pegasus and leaving me to ride a raggely a$$ pheasant, that ish aint cool at all. hmph.

            • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

              @Relax, Relate, Alise,

              He must not know who you are…you only ride on the finest winged steeds!!

          • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

            @Panama Jackson,

            he’s really talented though. He prolly said that cuz he didn’t want to get pigeonholed.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

              @pgh muse, i think he was being defensive and it backfired. instead of sounding well-rounded, he came off like an idiot. like really, he’s NEVER heard Midnight Maruaders (a claim he made). the shit is like 45 minutes long. he could pop that in easy one day…he said he also had no intention to ever listen to it…

              in fact. let me say this here. if you claim to be a hip-hop fan and you think this album is not good OR you haven’t heard it, you may as well stop talking to me.ever.

              • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

                @Panama Jackson,

                I agree. Hands down, to make a comment like that about such an album is some bull-dookie. I didn’t know he was talking out the side of his mouf like that. i’m totally here-><- with u on that one. i’m still a lupe fan though… but i also think that his a$$ went a little hollyweird when he appeared at some award show (i don’t remember which) wearing jodpurs lol… he lost some points for that.

              • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

                @Panama Jackson,

                “in fact. let me say this here. if you claim to be a hip-hop fan and you think this album [Midnight Marauders] is not good OR you haven’t heard it, you may as well stop talking to me.ever.”

                Amen and amen!

        • Gem of the Ocean

          “Either way, can we agree we’d take Badu over Bey?”

          e-twin i hope this is the 1st and last time we ever disagree!!! i love me some Badu. but i love me some Bey-say too. why should i choose?!?!?!?! dammit to h*ll….

          • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

            @Gem of the Ocean,

            u don’t… u can like herbal tea… and wanna booty shake to single ladies too. I like them both too. equally but their attractiveness is different.

            • Gem of the Ocean

              “I like them both too. equally but their attractiveness is different.”

              exactemente! we here ><

              to quote martin in boomerang: “now yo sh*t is coming out”

              • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

                @Gem of the Ocean,

                heh heh heh… yes ma’am.

      • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com mssula

        @Shay-d-lady,

        See I think people tend to disagree with things they don’t like.

        It’s not because something is not your flavor that it is “forced” or “unnatural”.

        What Badu is doing is HER art (so is Lupe’s), and no Art is not supposed to be meeting people’s standards (Thank GOD!!!!). If the majority enjoys it, great. If the majority doesn’t get it, so be it. But it does not negate the validity of said Art.

        Then again, I might be an elitist because I usually am very suspicious of “popular” stuff.

        Erykah and Lupe are cool by me.

        • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

          @mssula, See I think people tend to disagree with things they don’t like.

          hmmm maybe so..but artistically I like the artists…however as Princess duvet points out above..its the added schtick..its all the unnecessary shyt over and above the music that is forced…..and unnatural….in my opionion…… I am not trying to justify dislike..I would just dislike the shyt….

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          @mssula, i feel what you’re saying, but cream rises to (and stays at) the top for a reason. Lupe makes some good songs, but overall, his albums aren’t good. Erykah Badu is different b/c 2 out of 4 of her joints are actually really good.

          but i will say this, sometimes people get it and its just not good. coughmosdefthenewdangercough. or electric circus. or amerykhan promise. i think many people, artists especially, tend to “appreciate” stuff b/c they understand the investment it takes to make art…that however doesn’t necessarily mean its good. sometimes, art is bad.

          • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com Deviant

            @Panama Jackson,

            2/4? are you not counting world wide underground?

    • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com MsSula

      @overit,
      I think Erykah’s secret lies in the fact she is her OWN person.

      And that’s why I lover her so. And the confused can’t get with her and understand. It’s simple but quite complicated.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      @overit, you know, i actually kufi’s rocked WAY harder in DC than anywhere else for a good 2 or 3 years. it was so bad in DC they were selling kufi’s with c0nd0ms. lol.

      speaking of which, DC is home to the head c0nd0m. that thing drives me nuts but every cat in DC has one and they’ve been wearing them strong for the past 10 years.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      @overit,

      i did the coufie thing for approximately 3 months in the spring of 2000. i also used to wear nothing but iceberg jeans.

      theres a chance i may have been conflicted about some things.

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        @The Champ,

        Did you rock Fubu jerseys and Lugz boots too, Champ? If you did, I may have to denounce my love of you.

        • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

          @Luvvie,

          this made me laugh… I have to admit… for a period in the “cave” both Lugz and Fubu were the shyt

  • charli skipper

    and not to beat a dead horse or anything, but when i saw “the power of woman,” i immediately assumed we would be discussing rain pryor.

    • Princess Duvet

      @charli skipper, ” i immediately assumed we would be discussing rain pryor.”

      hi-larious.

    • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

      @charli skipper,

      LOL I think Rain Pryor may b the new running joke on VSB. Next to:

      *How albino midgets are scary @ us

      and

      *Jim Jones is responsible for any and all world evils

      Poor Rain P. and her Paul Bunyan jaws. I bet she could chew steel w/ that strong mouth.

      • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

        @Luvvie, Ol’ Jaws of Life Lookin’ Gal

        • overit

          @Relax, Relate, Alise, Ol’ Fire Marshall Bill lookin’ gal…

        • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

          @Relax, Relate, Alise,

          Ol’ Cutting Glass Face Looking *ss

      • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

        @Luvvie,

        Did you just say that chick has a strong mouth??

        *d-e-a-d*

        • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

          @PBG, her mouf can bench 250

          • miss t-lee

            @Relax, Relate, Alise,
            I’m done!!!!

        • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

          @PBG,

          Her mouf can curl at LEAST 318 on an 8 rep exercise. I bet her jaw alone could beat us up. I’m afeared @ it!

          • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Relax, Relate, Alise

            @Luvvie, well her tough ass jaw was bullying small chilluns and grown a$$ men.

            • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

              @Relax, Relate, Alise,

              Yeah certain mammals (like dolphins, and homo sapiens) are afraid of her.

              Ok I’m done now… maybe

            • charli skipper

              @Relax, Relate, Alise, this just made me snort.

              • charli skipper

                @charli skipper,
                oh wait! i get it………….”relax, relate, ALISE!” oh. i feel happy that i finally got the reference. and sad that it took me so long to get the reference.

                i am also sad that i am up this late working on a take home exam and all the other vsb-ers are sleep. it’s just a sad, sad day. and i’m outta wine! :(

              • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

                @charli skipper,

                Hmmm Charli. You are thisclose to being sent to the SDC (Sat Down Corner)

      • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

        @Luvvie,

        this whole thread had me dying!

    • miss t-lee

      @charli skipper,
      Bwhahahahha

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      @charli skipper, you know, i intend to never discuss Rain Pryor, if thats okay with you all. lol.

      • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

        From now n, I shall rerer to Rain Pryor as “The Crimson Chin” *shoutouts to Fairly Oddparents*

        • http://thephiladelphianegro.blogspot.com/ ThePhiladelphiaNegro

          @Luvvie,

          Jay Leno as the ‘Crimson Chin’ is hillarious!! Fairly Oddparents is funny as hell..

          • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

            @ThePhiladelphiaNegro,

            OMG!!! My son loves that!!

  • RedBeanzNRice

    Dear Panama,

    First off – I LOVE this post. You’re giving props where props are due; we women are amazing in so many respects, and aside from that I loves me some Erykah.

    Secondly, I’m confused by your post cause you pointedly said yesterday, in regards to the “mixed” post, that:

    “…given what i planned on upping tomorrow, i think its appropos. ”

    I fail to see how the tragic mixed people and Erykah Badu fit into remotely similar categories. I could be wrong, but to my knowledge Erykah is neither mixed nor tragic.

    Please explain how this is a follow up post to yesterday’s post, like you expressed.

    • http://www.heyyouasked.blogspot.com PBG

      @RedBeanzNRice,

      I’m glad you asked because had I been doing the asking, I would’ve gotten many a crazy e-looks. Again.

      • http://www.myspace.com/shay_d_lady79 Shay-d-lady

        @PBG,
        I’m glad you asked because had I been doing the asking, I would’ve gotten many a crazy e-looks. Again.

        my sage advice…
        F!ck that shyt……ask anyway

      • RedBeanzNRice

        @PBG,

        “I’m glad you asked because had I been doing the asking, I would’ve gotten many a crazy e-looks. Again.”

        I felt kinda silly askin, like maybe I’m the only one that doesn’t get it, but eh. And girl, who’s e-mean muggin you? I might just have to e-ruff em up.

    • miss t-lee

      @RedBeanzNRice,
      “…given what i planned on upping tomorrow, i think its appropos. ”

      I knew I didn’t imagine this ish…he pulled a switcheroo….lmao!!!

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      @RedBeanzNRice, i changed my mind last night. i was gonna up the Washington Post article that was referenced in yesterday’s comments about Obama not being Black written by this Hispanic (or whatever the non-offensive term is) woman. I’d sent that article out to a slew of people on Monday and started beaucoup arguments etc. amongst my friends about whether or not she had any valid points.

      and given yesterdays “mixed kid” post, it was appropos. but i’m a gemini and my attention span is short so i opted against it and decided to post this instead.

      • http://www.myspace.com/wudaman19 WuDaMan

        @Panama Jackson,

        Pimp Pimp hooraaay!

      • RedBeanzNRice

        @Panama Jackson,

        I hoped it was that “you changed your mind” as opposed to “me being clueless and slightly insane”, lol.
        Thanks ever so kindly for clarifying, cause I’m completely out of Prozac, and my insurance company is up for auction.

    • Gem of the Ocean

      “I could be wrong, but to my knowledge Erykah is neither mixed nor tragic.”

      i think the latter may be up for debate….

      • http://www.myspace.com/wudaman19 WuDaMan

        @Gem of the Ocean,

        come on w/ the com on cuz even 70s Wild Child Jerimiah Wright said she crazy. I think he was talking about the 5%er stuff.

      • RedBeanzNRice

        @Gem of the Ocean,

        Aw see? That was mean. She’s not tragic; granted, she may have a few screws loose (I still love her to pieces) but she’s not tragic.

        PS. And by a few, I mean a LOT (but I still love her, lol)

        • Gem of the Ocean

          that wasn’t being mean. i didn’t call her tragic. but i didn’t say she wasn’t tragic either. it’s up for debate. any takers?

          • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

            @Gem of the Ocean,

            Gem- ur my girl e-crush… but i don’t find Erykah to be tragic at all…

            • Gem of the Ocean

              once again–i never said the chil’ was tragic…

              • http://www.museacdonline.etsy.com pgh muse

                @Gem of the Ocean,

                Oh! … ok… we’re back in girl e-luv :)

  • puff

    panama, don’t forget the crochet. even women and people from Europe (i’ve lived in europe and am a woman, so i have authoritah from both perspectives) would not rock crochet in any form. i might be able to excuse a 6 month old bald azz baby in greenland in january for wearing maybe a crochet hat, but by 7 months i’d be questioning their gangsta.

    on that note though, common, bitterness and knitted wear aside, is three different kinds of swexy at once. he was on my campus a couple months ago, had women swaying left to right all over the place with that bald head of his. which looks much better not covered in orange wool. alright, i’m done.

    • jana.love

      @puff,

      when common gots the beard all trimmed up and his head all bald, lookin all milky chocolately. shoot, makes me wanna give up asian men.

      sike. love me a brutha.

      • overit

        @jana.love, “when common gots the beard all trimmed up and his head all bald, lookin all milky chocolately.”

        gurrl….Common is sessy and he knows it (clap ya hand)

        • puff

          @overit,

          hahahahahahahahhaha so so true!