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This Election Failed My Daughter

Panama Jackson

 

My daughter was born in January of 2009, a week after Barack Obama was sworn into the office of the Presidency. I couldn’t have been happier. Her original due date was January 18, but I wanted SO badly for her to be born after he was inaugurated so that she would be born into a world with a Black person (in this case, man) as president of America. I didn’t know if or how much it would matter, or if he’d even see a second term, all I knew is that I wanted there to be a Black president when my daughter was born.

As luck would have it (though, maybe her mother didn’t feel the same), my daughter, was born on January 27th, 2009, and for the past almost 8 years, all she’s known as a President is Obama. Obviously the post-racial America many hoped for never came to fruition and the country at many times feels further divided than it ever did. But having a Black man in office has, on a psychic level, affected my own household positively. As the days wind down on the most historic presidency to date, I feel in some sense of having taken their time for granted. Either that, or I just wasn’t prepared for how fast the time would fly by. The fact that my daughter will be 8-years-old in January also isn’t lost on me. Her life, to date, has tracked with Obama’s presidency.

I even have a picture of Obama up in my household though not because of some sort of idol worship of 44, but because the picture really is cool as hell. I limited my idols to two Barack and Michelle bobbleheads sitting on my second floor bookshelf.

On this past Tuesday, while a bit nervous, I couldn’t wait to cast my ballot, and for Hillary Clinton. I can’t say that I liked her very much (or any candidate really) but I did like what she represented on a societal and a personal level. And considering the incompetence of the opposition, a symbolic victory would have been just fine. The societal level is obvious: the election of the first woman president would have been another historic event, especially in a world, where patriarchy and sexism run so rampant. So many of us contribute and perpetuate both – and I’m no exception – but I was actually very excited at the prospect of having a woman represent our nation for the first time as its highest elected official.

On a personal level, I REALLY wanted to see a world where (hopefully) for my daughter’s first sixteen years of life, all she would have seen as President were Obama and Hillary Clinton: a Black man and a woman. Two “boxes” (Black and woman) that historically have had the power to hold her back. And yet, here we were, on the brink of a nation that somehow managed to put two separate minority groups into the most powerful position on the planet. Back to back.

I was excited for my daughter as I prepared to take my “I Voted” sticker and hand it to her to show her that with my vote, I was voting her for future and helping break that glass ceiling, effectively telling her there was absolutely NOTHING she couldn’t aspire for and as instead of them being open words, there was some truth to them. The truth would be in the pudding.

And then Tuesday happened. I obviously don’t need to relive that for anybody as I’m aware the pain, disappointment, and despair will carry with many of us for a while. I spent most of yesterday disappointed, texting and emailing friends to check in on them to see how they were doing in light of the results, and processing for myself.

I take my daughter to school every morning. On Wednesday, I picked her up from her mother’s house and when I looked at her, I told her I was “I’m sorry.” And how much I really wanted a world where a woman was President for her. And she told me, “I know, daddy. It’s okay.”

That broke my heart; almost to the point of tears. As I listened to Van Jones dejection on CNN and wonder how we explain this to our kids, my daughter seemed to already know, at 7. I was so excited about what, in my mind at least, a Hillary presidency meant for little girls everywhere that, selfishly, my biggest disappointment was that I wouldn’t have the opportunity to talk about broken glass ceilings with my daughter, even if that ideology is shortsighted in the way that an Obama presidency created a post-racial America.

Knowing the things my daughter will undoubtedly go through in life at the hands of men who don’t even have the wherewithal to know they’re doing it (though some will), knowing what she’ll have to fight for and praying that she doesn’t end up in situations that I’m not even emotionally prepared to think about yet, I felt like this win would enable my daughter to beam with some of that same pride we all did when Obama was elected the first time. It meant something even if it was too soon to know exactly what.

I know that my daughter will do great things and this doesn’t set her back. But I wanted her to know that our country was also ready. And you know what, maybe it is, and Hillary just wasn’t the right person, but we can’t say for sure that we even know. And that’s disappointing.

I wanted to hug my daughter with history on Wednesday morning. Instead, she hugged me with encouragement when I felt like I failed her.

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Panama Jackson is pretty fly (and gorgeous) for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. He refuses to eat cocaine chicken. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future. You can hit him on his hitter at panamadjackson@gmail.com.

  • Scorpiogoddess??

    We have Michelle for inspiration. Phak it.

    • panamajackson

      This is true. And we have had some convos – even right now as my daughter is sitting in my office – about how awesome Michelle Obama is.

      • Scorpiogoddess??

        Exactly, so I didn’t get why you apologized.

        • panamajackson

          It’s because of how I felt. But it’s a personal thing. Everybody doesn’t feel the same way…and that’s okay.

          • Scorpiogoddess??

            eh.

        • LMNOP

          In the 2008 primaries there were a lot of people saying how it would be nice for girls to see a woman in the White House, and I thought fuck that, I want my daughter to see a Black woman in the White House and if she gets there the same way white women have been getting in the White House for centuries, that is just fine with me.

          • grownandsexy2

            They were all for a woman in 2008.

    • Epsilonicus

      Indeed!!

    • TeeChantel

      Yes We do

    • Asiyah

      I love Michelle. She’s awesome.

    • Cleojonz

      I hope that she will remain in the public eye in at least some small capacity.

      • Mary

        That secret service contingent bet’ not evah leave her side, either.

    • DM.

      I love Michelle. Hope she never runs for office though. The campaign would be so ugly— racism, sexism would be ramped up to 1000 (bc she’s a black woman). No one should go through that.

      • Kas

        Biden with Michelle as VP?

        • DM.

          That would be amazing. I’m not the biggest fan of political dynasties though. Love Michelle, but i’m positive there are a ton of young, fresh, black female politicians more than ready for the job.

      • grownandsexy2

        I’m sure she won’t ever run. She got a taste of what POTUS went through and suffered right along with him.

  • LilMissSideEye

    I hate what this election and the “enthusiasm gap” say about the future of American elections.

    Don’t get me wrong, this ish has always been a popularity contest, but it used to be at least a little bit about what policies were popular, as well as the candidate. Outside of the debates, there was barely any policy discussion once we got out of the primaries. Trump ran on putting white male mediocrity back at the top of the cultural heap, and that’s all he needed to do. No one cared about how. No one cared about policy, no one cared about how a Trumpster Fire administration would manage the government services that affect our day-to-day life.

    We are truly on our way to living in Idiocracy. We don’t like smart people. We don’t like plans. We’re voting with our ids and our junk and that’s supposed to be okay.

    I would honestly rather all future elections involve the barest minimum of campaigning. You publish your policy proposals, written at no higher than an eighth-grade reading level, online and in every major national newspaper, then defend the policies at debates. Then we vote. It will never effing happen, of course, but I’d love a world in which it would.

    • Our campaign season is obscenely long. I think in the UK it lasts six weeks.

    • Negro Libre

      Can’t have that if people don’t embrace debate, and the exchange of ideas.

      That’s where I think Idiocracy gets things wrong. Idiocracy told us that it was because of apathy that the country would get dumbed down, when in reality it’s echo chambers that are responsible. The longer you talk and debate with people who only think like you, the lesser tolerance you have for those who don’t see the world as you, and the harder it is for you to endure the pain and endurance to persuade others to your side to an argument.

      • esa

        do you think this is new ? i’ve long suspected that people have always lived in bubbles, and do just about anything to protect their comfort zones ..

        but i do agree. “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time and still maintain the ability to function.” ~F. Scott Fitzgerald

        • Negro Libre

          Nah, this is different.

          People may choose to live in bubbles, but in general, just like you’d see in an everyday church, there’s an acceptance of the fact that you have to deal with people you hare. Technological advancement has made it more efficient to completely lock out this burden of life, especially in the exchange and competing of ideas.

          Democracies are solely dependent on the vast majority of people being able to work together to sort stuff out, if they can’t or lose the confidence of doing so, either some kind of aristocracy, monarchy or tyranny will rise to replace it, and the people will embrace it. That’s the direction this country is going.

          • esa

            i’m wondering ~ as this country did not give all people the right to vote until 1964, is it fair to say, we’ve only lived in a democracy for 52 years ?

            • Negro Libre

              You’re confusing democracy with the concept of individual rights. Democracies have a history of oppressing minorities, throughout history (esp. prior to the French Revolution). So nah, America’s been a democracy since it’s inception – of if you want to nitpick, since 1830; I’ve always found it odd, that people view it as omnipotently as they do.

              • esa

                please help me out. the dictionary defines democracy as “a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.”

                why is 1830 the dawn of American democracy ?

                • Negro Libre

                  That’s a modern definition, thus one of the problems. But the “eligible members” part gives the past away.

                  Democracy over most of history, didn’t have to do with the whole population, but rather the people who were “defined as citizens.” The idea of the whole populations or a mass group of people participating in a democracy, is an invention of the various suffrage movements that happened in the early 19th Century in Europe, 1830 is when the movement took hold in the U.S. and it was first applied to white males on a national level.

                  • esa

                    thank you. this is very revealing. but i need more help here. we are living now. we are not living in the past—and because of this, we update our words to reflect our evolving needs so that we may better serve our purpose.

                    does it serve us to allow the power structure to use an outdated idea? if so, why do they teach us to use the new definition of the word, yet fail to practice its principles?

                    must we kowtow to obsolete idelogies that allow for oppression and exploitation of the masses at the hands of the few? if words and laws can be updated, why can’t systems of governance as well?

                    • Negro Libre

                      If you have a better one, please go ahead and run the experiment, to see if it works or not. Isn’t that what communes are all about?

                    • esa

                      i’m not a communist or a socialist. i’m a New Yorker ~*~

                      i’m curious to know the rationale for why we cannot use the new definition of democracy to repeal the Electoral College and instill the popular vote. why not have out ideologies match our practices?

                    • Negro Libre

                      The Electoral College isn’t going anywhere, because the smaller states lose a lot of leverage if it’s gotten rid of. Why pay attention to Maine or New Hampshire, or their representatives, or even their senators if they have no significant power whatsoever?

                    • esa

                      so .. why do you think it is we taught to use a new definition of a word that does not reflect its actual meaning ?

                    • Negro Libre

                      Hmmm, counter-question: taught by who?

                      I mean who taught us that democracy is flawless?

                    • esa

                      my experience, exclusively: i was taught by schools (mostly New York public school K-college) and the media (mostly mainstream) that democracy means, as the dictionary defines it: “a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible
                      members of a state, typically through elected representatives.” by eligible, they meant: meeting the legal requirements (age, residency, citizenship, and ID to back it up).

                      as to democracy being flawless, no one is saying this. democracy is mass rule, and you know the masses can have mob mentality, so that’s does not guarantee a positive outcome. i’m not arguing democracy is ideal either. i’m asking: why are we taught to use a definition of democracy that is inaccurate?

                    • LMNOP

                      We have a republic though, which although it is a democratic form of government is not actually democracy.

                      And the electoral college system was not designed to be fair, it was designed to help smaller rural states with low populations.

                    • esa

                      understood. i just find it very telling that we are fed a whole heap of hype around the idea that we live in a democracy.

                    • Negro Libre

                      I think it is accurate. I never said it wasn’t. I differentiate the word, from the practice. There’s always a detachment in schools and in the media, from the actuality of things in real time. Democracy is no different. The deeper you read and look at things, the more countries and examples you come up with, the more you get a more accurate idea of what democracy is.

                      But words never can encompass an entire system, words are often approximations not absolutes. For instance many of the founding fathers, bitterly criticized democracy, all that information is in the public domain, a simple google search will do. My man Fela Kuti has hits all over the world bashing democracy. Asian leaders routinely bash American democracy and says that it’s responsible for why we end up with the Trumps of the world, which also leads to disharmony and chaos.

                    • esa

                      ~ I differentiate the word, from the practice.

                      is this pragmatism, or something else? i ask as i am trying to align words and practices to avoid corruption and complicity. it’s an ideal so i accept i will fall short, but now that i’m writing full time, i feel less inclined towards being casual. but i mean, i’m not really a casual person either, so there’s that.

                      ~ There’s always a detachment in schools and in the media, from the actuality of things in real time.

                      and while i recognize this, i am against it on principle. it’s like being a doctor and not taking the Hippocratic oath. (side note: thank you for pointing out psychology is a social science; i used that in an article and it was beautiful).

                      ~ But words never can encompass an entire system, words are often approximations not absolutes.

                      agreed. i think language is a living thing, but it’s a symbolic world and always only ever a translation. but, for most of us, it’s the primary means of communication. so, i maintain respect and doubt for it, which is funny to me. God got jokes.

                      ~ My man Fela Kuti has hits all over the world bashing democracy.

                      i’m not for or against democracy. i’m for consistency between ideas, words (speech & thought), and behavior. since we use the word “democracy” i’m arguing for consistency, or chuck it, fine.

                      use the words “democratic republic” so folks stop playing like my vote in New York is equal to someone else’s vote in Ohio. it’s not. it never was.

                    • Mary

                      We are a republic, not a democracy.
                      I’m reading A.James Reichley’s The Life of the Parties and democracy there’s alwYa been tension between avoiding mob rule, elite rule or domineering government control and still listening to the people. I don’t explain things well, but can say that democracy in action is a bit more complicated than the dictionary entry.
                      I recommend the book for understanding the philosophies undergirding and competing in forming government sand in understanding what has been traditionally understood by democracy.

          • Mary

            This!!!!

  • Godzilla Jr.

    The emotion I feel for my daughters is a little more ominous…

    I can’t shake the feeling that how ever unpleasant it was at times to grow up during Reaganomics and the crack era, my daughters may endure something far worse.

    God help us.

  • RewindingtonMaximus

    I’ll just say it.

    America owed us a woman President.

    I would have liked it if it could have been someone who doesn’t have a history in disrupting the lives of millions with past policies like HIlary, but damnit America owed us at least 4 years of her, and they took it away because of a panic attack on their part.

    I’d never want any child, especially young girls, to ever know what it feels like to be young with a chart of presidents of the USA to look at, and see nothing but old white men you could never in your wildest dreams relate to. I wanted this to happen because I want children of today & tomorrow to never revisit what we had to live through.

    But we aren’t done yet. If a Somali born woman can be inserted into the United States Political System…then I know we can get this done soon enough. That’s not just one stereotype broken, that’s three. WE WILL CLIMB HIGH AGAIN, and young women will see representation they can follow.

    • PinkRose

      The first woman president will be Hispanic, wait and see!

      • Cleojonz

        I think this could happen.

      • RewindingtonMaximus

        I believe so. White women won’t be getting this one.

      • cyanic

        You watch Veep?

      • Madam CJ_Skywalker

        That would be lit….Afro-Latina??

        • PinkRose

          Nope, White.

          • cyanic

            That’s not real Latino to the American public.

            • Madam CJ_Skywalker

              Not even a Gina Torres type?

              • cyanic

                She’s Afro-Latina. We’d love to have her.

      • Epsilonicus

        Not anytime soon. I would have expected a Republican Hispanic woman but with a Trump win now, nope. Dems dont have any rising stars in that area on the bench.

        • Susanna Martinez from New Mexico seems like a good fit for that spot, but not right now.

          • Epsilonicus

            That is exactly who I had in mind.

        • brothaskeeper

          Kamala Harris/Corey Booker 2020. I’m calling it.

          • cyanic

            She’s really very pretty.

            • brothaskeeper

              She bad! *closes laptop real quick before Mrs. BK comes in*

              • cyanic

                I like her being as qualified as she is attractive. Rare in politics anywhere.

                • grownandsexy2

                  I love her.

            • PinkRose

              She kinda reminds of of Angela Rye.

          • Epsilonicus

            Nope, you need one of them to be white.

            • brothaskeeper

              They both have to be Black, because by 2020 our country is gonna be so unbelievably fukked up that we’re gonna need double-strength Blackness.

              • Epsilonicus

                Harris nor Booker appeals to white working class people in Wisconsin, PA, Mi, OH. Dems need those states to come back to the White House.

                • Or as Michael Moore refers to them, the Brexit States. I could see Booker making a game effort, but someone from Cali? Nope.

                  • Epsilonicus

                    Mmmhmmm. Flyover voters aint having that

                • brothaskeeper

                  I just wanna see more of #Senatebae.

                  • Epsilonicus

                    Oh, I wish she was repping my state!!!

                • -h.h.h.-

                  yup

                  if any lesson is to be learned, Dems are going to have to work to get rural/working class whites back into the fold…a brown Pres/VP ticket wont do that, and wont be achievable unless one is a real unifier or the population shifts finally occur

                • LMNOP

                  All they need is to stay home though. Have voter apathy drives, put a few new shows on Netflix, have a suspenseful double episode of walking dead on at an unannounced time, so people need to be in front of the TV so they don’t miss it when it comes on (at 5:57.)

              • grownandsexy2

                Some of that double ply Blackness

                • brothaskeeper

                  With stretch technology!

              • Mary

                Nah, they not having it. Trump is the whitelash for Obamaand they were not about to add injury to insult with a woman. TWO negroes? Blood, I agree with you, but sorry, baby, that ain’t happening.

              • DB. Just DB ™

                LOL “Double-strentgh Blackness”. I love it.

          • TeeChantel

            I’m all for Corey.

            • DM.

              He needs a wife asap. Otherwise its gonna be tricky…

              • TeeChantel

                I would happily fill that role.

                • mssporadic

                  Back up, I already claimed him. LOL!

                  • TeeChantel

                    Can’t have him. Corey went to high school with my older brother. We go waaaay back lol.

              • Kas

                A pregnant wife

                • Val

                  So you believe the rumors?

                  • Kas

                    No, just playing along with the joke. Honestly, I couldn’t care less what his sexual orientation is.

          • Val

            Also, Kamala is married to a White dude, not sure how that’ll play to a lot of (more regressive folks) folks.

            • Epsilonicus

              It wont play at all, for many White and Black voters.

              • Val

                Yeah, if she were in a lot of states beside California that would have seriously cost her votes.

              • grownandsexy2

                She may not get out the gate on that one.

            • LMNOP

              Is Corey Booker still single? That doesn’t play well either (although not on the same level)

              • Val

                Yep, he is. It doesn’t. Especially on a National level.

                • LMNOP

                  I never really thought about it before, but our society kind of discriminates against single people. A spouse is such a random thing to need to be president, like how will that help them do their job?

                  • Val

                    This country definitely discriminates against single folks. Just look at the tax codes which favor married couples.

                    In Corey’s case there is also unfortunate speculation with regard to his s3xual orientation prompted by his singleness.

                    • LMNOP

                      I’ve been a single parent for a decade so I’ve had plenty of opportunity to think about how society actively makes that harder on you, both through attitudes and policy. I think there’s a lot to it, but it just occurred to me now that maybe a piece of that is just animosity toward single people, and then their families by extension.

                      I wonder if hostility towards single people is mostly about policing people’s chexuality. I don’t know, it’s weird to me that this is a thing people care about. And I think it’s pretty typical for straight people to assume that long-term single people are gay. A decent amount of my family thinks I’m a lesbian, based entirely off the fact that I’m single, I’d guess a lot of people have that experience. And more so if they are public figures, of course.

                    • grownandsexy2

                      I think you’re right. We’re all about policing people’s chexuality. It’s weird to me also. This is my life in a nutshell. A woman should have a man in her hip pocket at all times. lest she be labeled. A guy i grew up with and I were discussing marriage one day and he shares he was looking for a wife. We’re the same age. Long story short, I said I was happy just as I am. He then wants to know if I’m gay. This coming from a man who I have known since we were both 14 and lived next door to. So, if I’m not at least looking for a husband, I’m gay?

                      I told him if I was gay, he wouldn’t have to ask because I wouldn’t be hiding it. And don’t show up at a company party without a man or invite a neighbor (who happens to be a woman) to a basketball game. A former co-worker gave me two tickets to a basketball game and I asked my neighbor because she likes all things sports. Co-worker thought it was strange that I asked a woman to go and not a man. Where do these people grow up I wonder. Are they that dense?

                    • esa

                      ~ Are they that dense?

                      they’re conditioned to put people down or try to diminish their humanity, and they do so because it’s one of the few sources of pleasure in their lives.

                      but they will deny this to the end of time because they need their self image to be a “good person” even if their actions, beliefs, thoughts, and speech do not match up.

                      people have some horrific fear of being exposed as “bad,” which is truly counterproductive since one of the best ways to learn is from your mistakes.

                    • esa

                      i’ve found the only way people fall back from invading the sanctity of a single person’s space is when you terrify them from daring to invade your boundaries. aggressive people only respect what they fear.

                    • Mary

                      Yes! You have to stare them dead in the eyes so they know they’ve gone too far.
                      I’ve noticed that older Black gay men who are not the flamboyant type, but not trying to hide it have a moo nonsense way about them that checks you from EVER alluding to their sexuality. Just try and wIthout a word their stare tells you that it’s rude to ask and none of your business. You just don’t want anyone looking at you like that. I admire them for that.

                    • esa

                      i know exactly what you are talking about ~*~ they carry themselves in a way that commands respect and i admire that. cause matters of the heart are private affairs. i’d never dare to ask someone to explain themselves. it just seems so transgressive and dehumanizing.

                    • grownandsexy2

                      I’d vote for Corey, first husband and all. I don’t think this country could handle that.

                  • grownandsexy2

                    Kind of is putting it mildly.

                    • LMNOP

                      Weird though, right? Why do people care?

                    • grownandsexy2

                      I often wonder about the same thing.

                  • Conrad Bess

                    I think it’s based on the idea of commitment. Although the vast majority of presidents were sm uts and philanderers, the commoners see it as he’s devoted to one person, he can devote himself to the job. A single JFK would’ve been too tired to handle the Cuban Missile crisis cuz he was too busy giving Cuban women his missile.

      • TeeChantel

        I’d like to see this happen.

      • Val

        After this election I’m not willing to try and predict anything. All I know is, the Dems better be literally sitting in a room right now vetting possible presidential candidates for 2020.

        • Epsilonicus

          They already are. Pressing Cuomo from NY. People are already tryna draft Warren.

        • DM.

          We need a bunch of young, white, christian men with charisma from the Rust Belt. A bunch of young Joe Bidens, basically.
          Nothing else will win at this point.

          • Val

            Lol I don’t know if I’d go that far. The Dem base needs to be able to buy into the candidate too. Too bad Joe didn’t run this time. But I think we all know the DNC put the kibosh on that.

            • Epsilonicus

              DM is on point. Millennials dont vote regularly enough and older white Americans do. You need more of them on the team.

              • Val

                Millennials vote when they are inspired to do so. They were out in full force for Bernie.

                • Epsilonicus

                  Expecting Millennials to come out is hit or miss. They came out in 08, sat in ’10. Came out a little in 12. Not out in ’14. Didn’t in 16. Too inconsistent.

                  • Val

                    They were the difference, both in 08 and 16 though. The Dems need to get them out.

                    • Epsilonicus

                      Ehhh… maybe in 2024 when we are a larger enough portion of the voting population. Right now tho, too inconsistent.

                    • Mary

                      No, they need to see what happens in countries where voting is life-threatening. Then they’ll appreciate what they have…or lose it in the future. But, “whatever”,right?

                    • tgtaggie

                      its going to be life threatening 3.5 yrs from now

                    • Mary

                      You probably right. Oh, but if all dissenters can be locked up before then…

                  • LMNOP

                    I’ve run into a bunch of millennials who seem unaware that elections happen every year. Like they’re in their early 20s voting for the first time because they were too young to vote in the “last election.”

                    • QueenRaven23

                      We’re a “me, me me” generation. We don’t know ish. Owning our businesses are great, and necessary, but we do not know ish about politics and policy. But a lot of us don’t take all of this into account, from past to present.

                  • LilMissSideEye

                    Imma need my cohort to get out of their feelings and into some deep policy reading and local campaigns. I am turning into a crotchety old ranting grandma about this. All this apathy is not cute, and quite frankly if you’re above legal voting age and under Social Security age, you are both too dang old and too dang young to be that “over it.”

                • LMNOP

                  And Obama

            • Kas

              Clinton called in her chit for Obama’s support. I don’t think she would have gotten the nomination over Biden in a fair fight.

              • LilMissSideEye

                Biden’s also still grieving the loss of Beau – I genuinely don’t believe he wanted to run.

                • Kas

                  Fair point as well.

                • Epsilonicus

                  I think he wanted to but knew he wouldn’t give it his all since he was grieving.

                  • LilMissSideEye

                    True.

                    That sends me off on a side tangent about what all we’re really asking of someone when we ask them to run for president. People are out here begging Joe and Michelle to run, but Michelle is done with living her life in that sphere and I honestly wouldn’t blame Joe for wanting to slide out and spend time with the grandkids. I mean, Hillary got slammed for being careerist and overly ambitious, but honestly, how the heII else does someone become President? It is an all-encompassing 24/7/365 gig and I’m constantly torn between wanting those I admire to pick up the mantle and wanting those I admire to actually see their families outside of photo ops.

            • DM.

              Joe would’ve murked this election. Too bad it was Hillary’s “turn” and everyone cleared the way for her.
              He connects with working class whites like no other Democrat can (or maybe ever will?)

              • Val

                I totally agree. Joe had the particular skills and background that would have carried him to victory.

          • Kas

            Nah

        • Sparger

          you can vet all you want too. What’s to stop an old independent from joining the party at the last minute and entrancing the base. The problem is for Dems and Republicans anyone can run to be the nominee.

      • A.G.

        Julian Castro is going to be the VP pick for the next Democratic ticket.

        • DM.

          Doubt it. Hispanic turnout will never live up to the hype (It was up only one measly percentage point from 2012, 30% of that going to Trump)

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        This identity politics is how you LOSE. Stop the madness.

        Demon is a rich white guy who has nothing in common with his base. 90% of his field were generic white business guys.

        Demon won on a message that spoke to people.

        Plenty of them, who don’t *think* of themselves as racists, latched on to other parts of his brand.

        It’s like Suicide Squad all over again. Star Power doesn’t save a movie with bad writing.

        • PinkRose

          I’m speaking on predicted US demographics, ya’ dig?

          Now you provide a link that says that the US is NOT becoming more Hispanic, then we can have a convo. Otherwise, please exit stage left with a comment that seems so unrelated to mine.

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            Rubio couldn’t carry his own Hispanic heavy state.

            Y’all keep yapping about these boxes you need to check off, but Hillary ain’t carry white women on some solidarity tip either.

            This racial/gender/orientation thinking is wrong

            • PinkRose

              There’s Hispanic and white washed Hispanic, NOT the same IMHO.

          • PinkRose

            Like I said before, my comment as I intended it, don’t have jack to do with checking boxes. And you went way past the goal line, when I’m just tryna’ get a first down.

            And on that note, GO COWBOYS!!!!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c9fa035d301f7a3b287b4d226707c8c7b7156535f76da66e1b51ad6e5f8fecf9.jpg

        • Negro Libre

          Same problem with the French Revolution.

          Yes, in the beginning all the marginalized groups will join together to take down the status quo. But as time changes and the groups go about pursuing their own goals, ambitions and self-interests, the less likely they are going to be bonded together again. Solidarity based on identity doesn’t last, ultimately politics isn’t about identity or tribalism, it’s about negotiation, coalitions and most of all achieving the win.

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            You need to drop a book recc if you have one handy. Might be guillotine time soon.

            • Negro Libre

              Lol, I’m about to start reading the Madness of Crowds again.

      • LMNOP

        So far this is a campaign of me, myself and I, but I really want to see Marilyn Mosby from Baltimore become president, and I choose to believe that will happen.

        Mosby2020

        • PinkRose

          I REALLY like her too!

          • LMNOP

            When I heard her give the press statement that they’d be prosecuting Freddie Gray’s killers I just halfway through was like “this woman will be / should be president someday.”

        • QueenRaven23

          Not me…I like her too much and want to protect her at all costs from the evils of this world.

      • Mary

        No. Asian. 1st generation Asians are already climbing the charts, they’ll get there faster and they’re more assimilated into white culture, and thus, acceptable.

        • PinkRose

          That’s a great point too!

          Only problem is that the more educated ones seem to favor STEM careers MUCH more than political ones.

          • Mary

            I think that’s because it may be unacceptable in their home countries, but here there’s no stigma, so they’ll get there. Bobby Jinxal already tried but that Asian disdain for the poor, Blacks and Latinos killed him even in Louisiana.

            On another thread, Diego wrote about Fujimori in Peru and that’s what I’d be concerned about with Japanese and Chinese; they’re deep in that racial superiority bag and undying loyalty to the mother country.Indians, not so much, but but that caste thinking makes them dangerously prejudiced against the poor, Latinos and Blacks.

            I’m speaking in generalities and this after having spent my entire life living among, working and studying international folks and culture.
            Hopefully the exceptions make it to the White House, but you best believe they’re next.

            • PinkRose

              Indians make up 95% of my business so I’m remiss to have anything negative to say about them. OTOH, proving myself STEM “qualified” to them was quite the hurdle but it’s nothing I hadn’t already experienced being a Black woman Scientist working around mostly White early in my career.

              Chinese are a COMPLETELY different story, outperforming them put a target on my back unlike anything I’d ever experienced before, LOL!! Being 2 feet taller and female didn’t/doesn’t help much either.

  • Hugh Akston

    Maybe missed it but no darthbecky trolls around? No?

    • LMNOP

      I think they all went back to where ever they came from.

  • Junegirl627
  • Souvenir from last night’s protest. Students were out in full force. As long as I’ve been alive, I don’t think I’ve ever seen graffiti on city hall

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e9bf45bcd22436c056023e3a3a49ed76680ad3e0aab830074b9c8981f4529c4.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/acd0069ad85e714877ce1821679f3f5f0dc6eda8dfef9b8ed2dcf6a2894ac06e.jpg

    • miss t-lee

      Wow.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Weak tag though

      • LMNOP

        A for effort

      • brothaskeeper

        Poor spraymanship. But their heart is in the right place.

        • Every nationality you could think of was out there last night. Tonight’s protest is even larger.

      • fedup
        • brothaskeeper

          This reeks of either Florida or North Carolina. The words are all spelled correctly, but it’s grammatically incorrect.

          • fedup

            Could be bum f cuk anywhere.

          • FeeFee

            Heard is Durham NC. So your guess was perfect.

  • Deanna

    I think I’m more surprised that your daughter is now 8. I remember when you announced her birth here on VSB. Happy birthday!

  • Asiyah

    https://www.facebook.com/icnyu/posts/10154641627648895

    “Yesterday morning, Muslim students at the NYU Tandon School of Engineering found “Trump!” written on the door to their prayer room.”

    It began before the election and it will continue. Black and Brown people in America, be safe.

    • Cleojonz

      I just read this whole thread on Huff post of tweets and instagram posts from people recounting various incidents that already occurred. One woman said her hijab was snatched off her from behind in Walmart.

      Like my friend said on FB, they don’t understand they can catch these hands. This is a different era. We don’t all believe in turning the other cheek.

      • Asiyah

        Man I want to stand outside of every non-white church, mosque, synagogue, and community center and protect all of us but I am not omnipotent :(

      • PinkRose

        LOL @catching hands, my daughter says this ALL the time!

      • grownandsexy2

        I’ve never been about turning the other cheek and I won’t start now.

    • Mary

      Sorry to hear that. So, ISIS nuts have a new reason to attack.

    • LMNOP

      So infuriating and sad.

      • Asiyah

        I’ve been reading Shaun King’s twitter feed where he is posting stories from people harassed after Trump’s win.

        • LMNOP

          Me too, it really makes you realize that it’s not just Trump who’s dangerous, but all of these bigots who feel newly emboldened to be doing horrible things.

  • cakes_and_pies

    Can we have a day or so sans election coverage? This is my happy place, but I’m starting to be bummed out here.

    • LMNOP

      I vote a nice food post. That always makes me feel better.

      • cakes_and_pies

        I’d be fine with a “Black Bougie People Brunch” post. I got online friends crying IRL, PoC sulking and genuinely crying IRL, and the sheer amount of harrasment by White Trump supporters makes me nauseous. My mind and body is just raggedy.

        • Haven’t received any of the snide remarks here, but it is a strange kind of quiet.
          I vote we have a funny Friday post a day early.

          • cakes_and_pies

            Yes! I want the same. My feelings are burned out at this point.

      • cakes_and_pies

        I’m up for a dressing versus stuffing post. I’m just tired of all of this. ?

    • mssporadic

      Yes! I’ve been trying to use social media for self-care, but there is nothing soothing out there. People are just driving themselves nuts trying to figure out what the future holds

      • cakes_and_pies

        I literally started istening to Solange again.

      • TeeChantel

        I legit cackled at your avi.

      • cakes_and_pies

        It’s maddening. I’m so tired. I just need a break.

    • Kas
      • cakes_and_pies

        Thank you Kas. I’m so emotional and I need a break.

        • Kas
          • PinkRose

            I LOVE baby animals!!!!

            • LMNOP

              Have you ever seen the show on animal planet “Too Cute.” It’s literally an entire show about cute animals.

      • nillalatte

        OMG… lmao… that’s so awesome!

      • brothaskeeper

        Awwwwwwww!

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      They need a Ask Brooklyn Bruin. I’ll dole out horrible relationship advice for free!

      “Yeah, how do I make my man commit”
      “Have you considered arranging a menage with you and your sister?”

      “Bruh, this shorty ain’t answering my texts”
      “Next time, install where is my phone on her celly, and then just track her down”

      “I have my performance review coming up at work, and I kinda did a thing….”
      “Wear extra tight pants to show off the goods”. (works for men and women)

      • cakes_and_pies

        I will take all the horribly bad advice over this. I need a laugh.

      • brothaskeeper

        More menageries would make the world a better place.

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