Things I Havent Heard Anyone Say About Jeremy Lin Yet

***Flashback to last Saturday***

Background: It’s my dad’s birthday, and I let my mom know that I got them tickets to see The Pittsburgh Jazz Orchestra. After giving her the particulars (show starts at 8, tickets are under my name, etc), the conversation segued to a surprising place.

Mom: “So, Melo’s coming back soon, huh?”

Champ: “Huh?”

Mom: “Melo.” 

Champ: “Mom, what are you talking about?”

Mom: “Carmelo Anthony. He’s supposed to be coming back soon. Do you think he’s going to be able to fit in with Jeremy Lin?”

Now, my mom never played sports herself, but she has a general understanding of the rules of each of the major sports, and she knows who the stars (and each of the Steelers) are. Basically, she isn’t one of those people who’d say something like “Oooh, nice dunk!” while watching a football game. I mean, when you have a son and a husband who are diehard sports junkies, I guess you can’t help but become a fan as well.

With that being said, I realized exactly how much hype and attention New York Knicks point guard Jeremy Lin has received when I saw that it managed to turn my mom into Stephen A. Smith. A woman who, just a few months ago, asked me to demonstrate for her exactly what “pick and roll” means is now asking me if “Melo” is going to ruin the Knicks’ chemistry and if he’s just a bad fit for D’Antoni’s offense.

Now, in the past couple weeks I’ve had various people ask for my take on Linsanity. I didn’t really want to write about it though, because, well, everyone else is, and I just couldn’t think of an interesting and unique angle I could take.

But, after thinking about it for a few days, there are actually a few things I haven’t heard anyone say about him yet. Not to say that they haven’t been said. I just haven’t personally seen or read them.

Here’s five of them.

1. The person who has the most to lose with Linsanity? Either Derrick Rose or Dwyane Wade.

Although the NFL is the undisputed king among professional sports in America, once you leave North American soil, the NBA is the American sports league that travels the best. China is a perfect example of this, as the NBA is the most popular sports league in the world’s biggest country.

Where do Dwyane Wade and Derrick Rose fit into all of this? Well, when the NBA decided to allow fans to vote for All-Star starters online, Chinese fans took advantage of this, stuffing the ballot boxes so that Yao Ming and his Houston Rockets teammate, Tracy McGrady, were starters for the West every year. Since Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady happened to be the Western Conference’s best players at their respective positions (center and small forward) at that time, it was no big deal.

But, while it’s too late for Lin to be voted in as a starter in this year’s All-Star game, there’s absolutely no chance in hell that he won’t be picked as a starter next year. And, since he’s starting, either D. Wade or Derrick Rose won’t be. In fact, even if he starts sucking, you could probably pencil Lin in as an All-Star starter for the next four or five years.

Hmm. In a league where star players are obsessed with their legacies  — and “How many All-Star games did he start when he was in his prime?” is a question people ask when trying to determine a player’s legacy — I wonder how guards clearly better than Lin are going to feel when realizing he’s going to be starting ahead of them for years to come.

2. This could not have happened anywhere other than New York City.

People have argued that the Linsanity craze wouldn’t have happened if he happened to be in a city like Milwaukee or Memphis or Cleveland or Detroit. I agree, but for different reasons. I don’t think he’d be playing as well as he has been if he was in one of those cities. 

It’s been repeated ad nauseum that the Knicks were a perfect fit for him. Perfect coach for him to play for, perfect offense for him to run, perfect group of teammates for him to play with, and even a perfect time for him to play (His start coincidentally happened when Carmelo Anthony sat out a few games due to injury. If Melo never gets injured, Linsanity never happens)

But, as much as each of those things have helped him succeed, him being in New York F*cking City matters even more. Lin is clearly a guy who feeds off the crowd’s energy when he’s playing. Not to say that he doesn’t have genuine confidence, but the type of fearlessness (and occasional recklessness) he plays with gets a boost when you have 20,000 raucous people anticipating your every move. Madison Square Garden is the only NBA arena where 1. he’d get that type of environment and 2. the fans are knowledgeable enough to know that he needs it.

It’s obviously carried over. He has played well on the road since he became a starter. But, I just don’t think he’d have built the type of confidence to do this in Toronto if he didn’t get his initial boost in New York…and I’m sure he wouldn’t have had Raptors fans cheering for him.

3. 2011-2012 has seen a resurgence of “natural-born basketball playing” point guards. 

While they’re all great basketball players, you can argue that Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, and John Wall are athletes first. (You can also argue that John Wall is far, far, far, far, far away from being a great NBA player, but that’s another discussion for another day) Each of those guys are so athletic that they would have been great at any sport, and each of them, even MVP Rose, are still learning how to play point guard.

Yet, as Rose and Westbrook have made many assume that you need to be an amazing athlete to be a top-notch point guard today, with Jeremy Lin, Kyrie Irving (who I told y’all about two years ago), and Ricky Rubio, you have a trio of new to the NBA point guards; natural born basketball players who are succeeding despite not being world-class athletes. Of the three, Irving is (obviously) my favorite — a 19 year old (!!!) who literally has no offensive weaknesses — but I see pieces of each of them in each of their games, and this excites me as a basketball fan.

4. Jeremy Lin is handsome. This matters. 

As any sociologist will tell you, we’re hardwired to give attractive people certain advantages we don’t extend as easily to others. We assume they’re smarter, stronger, more confident, and more worthy of our trust and support. It’s no accident that most NFL quarterbacks would be considered attractive men even if they weren’t football players. In many cases, they were groomed to be quarterbacks at a young age in large part because they “looked the part” and coaches assumed they’d have the charisma and confidence to lead the rest of the team.

Why am I bringing this up? Well, there are many parallels between Jeremy Lin and Tim Tebow. Both have experienced unexpected success, both captivated the nation, and both will tell you that their success is in large part due to their Christian faith. And, just how I’d argue that Tebow wouldn’t have been as popular if he looked like, I don’t know, John C. Reilly, (In fact, I’d even go as far as to say that if Tim Tebow looked like John C. Reilly, he wouldn’t have been Tim Tebow: Star Quarterback at all), the fact that Jeremy Lin looks like he could be an American Apparel model has given Linsanity a boost that may not have occurred if he was plainer looking.

5. It’s been interesting watching people try to find parallels for Lin’s unexpected ascent. But, everyone seems to be missing the most obvious choice.

He’s been compared to Tim Tebow, Flip Murray, Billy Ray Bates, Fernando Venezuela, Tiger Woods, Yao Ming, and pretty much any other athlete who either 1. came out of nowhere to play at an all-star level for an extended period of time, 2. succeeded at a sport despite not having the racial makeup and background of the people who usually succeeded at that sport, or 3. became a national craze.

But, there’s a (seemingly) obvious name I haven’t heard yet, a person who managed to captivate the nation in a historic fashion despite having a funny name, an unusual background, and a chorus of haters who maintain that his success is only due to his race.

Hmm. Who could I possibly be talking about? I’ll give you one hint: They went to the same school. 

That’s enough Linsanity for me. People of VSB, what are you thoughts on the Jeremy Lin phenomenon? Do you think he’ll be a short-lived flash in the pan, or do you see his success continuing?

—Damon Young (aka “The Champ”)

  • Iamnotakata

    I heart Jeremy Lin and that guy can hoop…forget all the skeptics…yes he’s a little rough around the edges and def. needs some fine tuning but after a few more games and more practice. And some correction with his defense and turn overs, he’s going to be linstoppable! yes I made that word up lol

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      sounds like you’re lin love

  • http://www.shardesaidwhat.blogspot.com ShardeMarie

    No joke about an hour ago, my mother called and said “Who is that oriental kid that’s been killing Kobe?” Mind you the only thing she knows about the NBA was from back when the Blazers were champions or anything that is negative towards Kobe Bryant. lol

    • naturalista88

      *Lmao*, I didn’t know people still used “oriental.”

      • http://www.shardesaidwhat.blogspot.com ShardeMarie

        RIGHT?!?!?! lol

        • http://wewereninjas.wordpress.com Jay

          Like a rug though…?

          • http://iamyourpeople.com/ I Am Your People

            Mind you the only thing she knows about the NBA was from back when the Blazers were champions or anything that is negative towards Kobe Bryant.

            My mom’s NBA knowledge ends around 1985. Any time Sir Charles, Magic, Patrick Ewing, etc gets some screen time, my mom is like “He’s STILL playing??” No mom, hence the suit and the broadcasting studio

      • Britico Chick

        We use Oriental in the UK . If you called him Asian in the UK, we’d think you’re referring to people of South Asia descent i.e. India etc. Otherwise you would just call his country – China, Vietnam etc.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “…or anything that is negative towards Kobe Bryant”

      sounds like i’d like your mom

    • http://genxaestheticism.com eve

      “oriental,” lol. mom dukes is mad old school :)

      but yeah, this craze has been permeating the whole world …

  • http://iamyourpeople.com/ I Am Your People

    To elaborate on #4 – I noticed that even though Tim Tebow has been waving his virginity flag, people are quick to try to link him to some model, female athlete, etc (side note: why is Kim Kardashian re-taping segments of Keeping up with Khlamydia to include her having weekly Bible study in order to attract Tebow? I just…) But Jeremy Lin seems to fall into that sexless Asian guy stereotype. No one’s said he’s good looking or, ‘now that you’re famous, you should try to holla at…’

    • Iamnotakata

      “(side note: why is Kim Kardashian re-taping segments of Keeping up with Khlamydia to include her having weekly Bible study in order to attract Tebow? I just…) ” LMAO !!

    • ThatOneAKA

      ROTFL @ Keeping up with Khlamydia! Wow…got my prescription pad ready to dispense 1000mg of azithromycin for anyone who needs it :)

    • http://www.shardesaidwhat.blogspot.com ShardeMarie

      Her suddenly Christian tweets are killing me and I don’t even follow the yamp. lol

    • Nat
    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      No one’s said he’s good looking or, ‘now that you’re famous, you should try to holla at…’

      see, ive heard (and seen) differently. perhaps just the bougie black girls, er, women in my social circle are obsessed with asian men

      • http://genxaestheticism.com eve

        it’ll be interesting is the black girl asian man thing becomes a “thing.” we haven’t really seen it since kim fields …

        … but i could see it happening since all the hype over the past five years has been the notion that the least marriageable groups are black chicks and asian guys.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          … but i could see it happening since all the hype over the past five years has been the notion that the least marriageable groups are black chicks and asian guys.

          see? linsanity does have tangible benefits and sh*t

        • A Woman’s Eyes

          omg I actually remember when Kim Fields was with an Asian man.

      • GypsyCurl

        Why, Champ, do you find ways to lump me into the bougie black girl category? I’ve never saw a reason to refuse equal opportunity dating to Asian guys. Let’s just say, when I moved from Mississippi to San Francisco, a whole new world of men opened up. (In an innocent way… Not a ho-ish way.)

      • http://www.oromia.org OromoPrincess

        LOL….do you remember the article that went viral a couple of years ago, that mentioned that since a large amount of Black men are in jail and the good ones are dating white Women, that the solution is for Black women to date Asian men. So the fact that “your bougie friends are interested in Asian men is not a surprise at all”

        *I tried searching to the actual article but couldn’t find it*

        Great article!!!

      • Britico Chick

        REALLY?! I’m just so shocked to hear that – you hardly ever see or talk of that dynamic in London…if we’re mixing up, it tends to be with white guys.

    • http://genxaestheticism.com eve

      yeah, i truly hope he has folks around him who can warn him about the groupie types. i’d hate for him to walk into his seemingly safe hotel room on the road one day and get pounced on by some naked chick that his biology won’t be able to resist. create barriers, jeremy! groupies are very clever and NO GOOD. lol.

      i soooo hope he doesn’t get caught up like so many dumb NBA players who don’t learn from the mistakes of others and can’t resist the urges of a singular body part. they think their sexual exploits are impressive when in reality even gerbils have sex. smh.

    • Scipio Africanus

      Apparently, Uncle Luke recently said that once Lin gets to Miami for tonight’s game, Trina et. al. are going to put it on him on South Beach and he’ll lose his mind.

    • GypsyCurl

      I heart your comments. They are always on point.

    • http://asiyah3.wordpress.com Asiyah

      Keeping up with Khlamydia? ahahahahahahaha!

  • Stanley

    Are you insane????

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      maybe???

  • http://iamyourpeople.com/ I Am Your People

    #5 “He can really ball” without being followed by “for an Asian/Harvard guy/undrafted player”

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      lol, i’ve already heard that

  • Justmetheguy

    Jeremy Lin is the epitome of the perfect storm. All those things you mentioned, combined with being 6’3 as a point guard allow him to show people just how little separates the stars from the barely on the roster guys. Opportunity as well as situation. He could’ve just as easily been a d-league player as we speak, but the PERFECT opportunity arose for him and he took FULL advantage of it. I’m happy for him. He’s hard to hate, Tebow on the other hand is just hard to be indifferent about smh

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      All those things you mentioned, combined with being 6’3 as a point guard allow him to show people just how little separates the stars from the barely on the roster guys

      eh. i wouldnt say that. the stars are in a completely different stratosphere. Lin, while definitely a legit NBA player, isn’t a star.

      • Justmetheguy

        @ The Champ, I’m not saying he’s a star, but he’s got the potential. I should rephrase, the SUPERstars (like Durant, Lebron, Wade) are in a different stratosphere, but you can’t tell me ninjas like ” Gasol, Bosh, Paul Pierce, Jameer Nelson, Joe Johnson” are THAT much better than the average players in the league. It usually comes down to something small like either A) 2 inches in height B) the right situation/offense C) confidence and the green light from their coach or D) a patented go to move. I agree that the superstars are in a different stratosphere though. The rest of the league doesn’t consists of players that aren’t that much better than each other though. He’s not the only player to come from nowehere, be overlooked by most teams, that’s capable of dropping 30 if necessary. If Norris Cole (who was selected 28th) was on a team that didn’t include 2 mega stars and an all star, I’m pretty sure he would be doing it more often.

  • DQ

    I should have known you would have found a way to work this Kryie Irving into this discussion. And let’s give him credit, he is doing well for a 19 year old.

    Just a point of reference, that same John Wall you spoke of averaged almost twice as many assists and steals his Rookie season as Kyrie is now, while scoring a comparable amount of points.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      irving is doing well for a 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, or 24 year old. wall did (and still does) average more assists and steals, but so far as hasn’t really proved to consistently impact games in a positive way. irving was doing that after his second week.

      (btw, i haven’t given up on wall yet. but, his game just has a ton of holes right now)

      • https://twitter.com/#!/IluminatiNYC Todd

        Thanks for mentioning all the holes in John Wall’s game. He definitely has the ability, but he would have been a better player with more time in college. There’s not enough polish there for my tastes, and if he doesn’t work, he’s going to be another Stephon Marbury: a number-hanger that never gets his teams anywhere.

      • DQ

        He’s doing alright for someone touted as “the most complete high school point guard I’ve ever seen”.

        I can’t remember if it was you or not, but I do recall someone else mentioning he was the most pure collegiate point guard they had ever seen. Having watched the likes of Kenny Anderson and Chris Paul and yeah… even fellow Duke alum Jason Williams, I wondered how such a statement could be made.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “Having watched the likes of Kenny Anderson and Chris Paul and yeah… even fellow Duke alum Jason Williams, I wondered how such a statement could be made.”

          “pure” maybe not, but i’d argue that he was a more “complete” product coming out of school than any of those guys

          • http://www.singleblackmale.org/author/themostinterestingmanintheworld/ Most

            My thing with Irving is he’s one of those players who’s good at everything and great at nothing. As far as elite or potentially elite players at his position are concerned, he doesn’t have the exceptional 3 ball of Steve Nash, not as fast a Rondo, explosive as Westbrook, doesn’t finish at the rim like Rose and doesn’t pass or control the whole floor like Paul. Each one of the elite pg’s in the leage is good at everything and then also great at something. (Only exception is Rondo who, for some reason seems to think having a jump shot is unnecessary.)

            So I guess I agree that he’s a really complete ball player and has been since high school, but I’m also saying I think it’s very possible that he’ll never be that much better than he is right now.

            Far as Wall is concerned, he’s gotta develop a handle. He has absolutely no shake to him, which is crazy. For a point guard drafted at #1 overall, it’s surprising how difficult it is for him to break guys down off the dribble.

            And finally, Jeremy Lin. I actually think Lin and Irving are very much comparable players. The only thing Lin doesn’t have is pedigree. With is father being 5’6 and his mother 5’3 he doesn’t have the familial athletic history most athletes have, having gone to Harvard he doesn’t have the collegiate pedigree scouts expect and being asian he doesn’t have the cultural pedigree we’ve come to expect. But if you just look at his game, he like Irving is a guy who’s good at everything, great at nothing. I see him eventually improving his jumpshot, particularly from 3 range and I see him being a little better in terms of turning the ball over, but outside of that, this is probably as good as it gets and as a knicks fan, I’m fine with that. I think he’ll be an above average point guard in the league for a long while.

            • Justmetheguy

              Yeah, I actually agree with pretty much all Most just said. Irving and Lin are good at all, great at nothing, and that type of complete game with no real identity or super strength will normally lead to people overlooking or underrating you because nothing about your game stands out, but because of everything else involved with the Lin story, people are able to appreciate the value of a complete player this one time.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              Yeah, man, a few of your Irving points are pretty off. It’s true that he’s not an athlete in the rose/westbrook/wall class, but he already has shown a few stand out skills for his position

              1. He’s one of the best shooting point guards to enter the league…ever. Right now he’s shooting 48% from the field, 41% from 3, and 86% from the line. Basically, he’s 19 and already putting up Nash-like shooting numbers.

              2. He might have the best “combo handle” in the league right now. Crossovers, spins, in and outs — you name it, and he f*cks people up with it. Despite not being super explosive, he gets past people because he puts them on skates.

              3. He also might be the best “below the rim” finisher in the league. Some of the layups he consistently makes most people wouldn’t even try in a game of horse

              Case in point: This is last week against the Heat. I’ve watched probably 25 Cavs games this year, and he makes shots like this on a regular basis. They just never show up on Sportscenter

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoIKRSG65M

  • demondog06

    “But, with Jeremy Lin, Kyrie Irving (who I told y’all about two years ago), and Ricky Rubio, you have a trio of new to the NBA point guards; natural born basketball players who are succeeding despite not being world-class athletes.”

    so no mention of Brandon knight!? sir i challenge you to a duel….
    *pimp slaps the champ across the bottom lip with leather glove*

    GO PISTONS!

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      so no mention of Brandon knight!

      nope

  • Justmetheguy

    ” Hmm. Who could I possibly be talking about? I’ll give you one hint: They went to the same school. ”

    lol, you’re the first one I’ve heard compare him to Barack Obama. Good parallel. Creative to take it to a figure outside of sports. His story reminds me of Victor Cruz, his hype reminds me of Tebow, his game is a cross between Nash and Deron Williams, and the way his stats cover up his turnovers reminds me of Cam Newton. I feel where you’re coming from on point guards that are basketball players first. I’m just glad to see the return of the point guard. It needs to be almost as important to teams as the QB is to an NFL team. (Clearly a former point guard is speaking here lol) It’ll never be as valuable as a QB, but I’m glad that the Lakers lack of a pg (or any semblance of defense) got them swept last year. I feel the same way about NFL teams with mediocre or bad defenses winning super bowls. It just doesn’t sit well with me lol

    Btw Champ (or anybody with a valid opinion) who’s your top 5 in order as far as NBA point guards go?

    • http://wewereninjas.wordpress.com Jay

      1. Chris Paul
      2. Russell Westbrook
      3. Derrick Rose
      4. Rajon Rondo
      5. Deron Williams

      I understand if everyone else has differing ratings for anyone 2-5, but if you can’t see that Chris Paul is head and shoulders above the rest then…

      • DQ

        Chris Paul is pretty much unstoppable right now… I mean, he literally dominates whoever tries to guard him. He can score anytime he wants, he can dime any time he wants… it’s like a video game out there when he’s playing.

        • http://twitter.com/tylerg_thomas tgtaggie

          I agree but he is just so…….injury prone (and this is coming from a CP3 fan)

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            “I agree but he is just so…….injury prone (and this is coming from a CP3 fan)”

            reluctantly nodding head

          • DQ

            Better durability would be good, but while he is healthy, he simply cannot be guarded.

      • Tonton Michel

        1. Chris Paul
        2. Deron Williams
        3. Steve Nash
        4. Jose Calderon
        5. Ricky Rubio

        Its never good when your point is looking for his shots first.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “Btw Champ (or anybody with a valid opinion) who’s your top 5 in order as far as NBA point guards go?”

      Paul
      Rose/Westbrook
      Williams
      Rondo

      (Right outside the top five are Nash, Parker, and Irving)

      • DQ

        You’d have Irving before Jennings (Brandon)? Really? And Rubio doesn’t even get a mention? LOL, damn how bad do you need to be right about Kyrie? You just gon’ force him in to the top 10?

        If I was Cleveland I’d still draft him 1st too (everyone needs a solid point guard) and I expect that he’ll get even better (particularly in assists) but I don’t think he is nearly as good (at this point in his career) as you seem to need him to be. I think he’ll get there (if they surround him with better talent… and it’s the Cavs… so they probably won’t) but I don’t think he is by any stretch of the imagination there yet.

      • Corey

        Man I don’t know how to feel about Westbrook (Westbrick). The guy has talent out the yang but shoot first point that can’t really shoot makes me quite nervous. I actually think that’s going to be what tanks OKC in the playoffs this year.

        • Justmetheguy

          ” Man I don’t know how to feel about Westbrook (Westbrick). The guy has talent out the yang but shoot first point that can’t really shoot makes me quite nervous. ”

          That’s how I feel. I actually like the Thunder a lot, and I love watching Westbrook play because he’ll dunk on damn near anybody, but I was surprised he’s in that many of yall’s top 3

          I’m going

          Paul
          Rose
          D. Williams
          T. Parker
          Westbrook

          Rondo’s number 6, and it was all I could do not to include him, but you gotta be able to make jump shots when the defense gives them to you. Yall are sleeping on Tony Parker just because the Spurs are never in the press. Chris Paul is EVERYTHING you want in a point guard. He could use a couple more inches in height, but he doesn’t really need them.

          • DQ

            Westbrook is the “shootiest” out of all the top PGs but he’s a decent defender and passer and hella athletic. Rondo to me is definitely top tier. You could shuffle the top 5 (other than Paul) and make an argument for any of them.

            • Justmetheguy

              ” You could shuffle the top 5 (other than Paul) and make an argument for any of them.”

              God point. That pretty much sums up the whole elite point guard discussion lol

          • Corey

            I don’t really think anybody is sleeping on Parker. He’s had a lot of trouble staying healthy the last couple years. I will say his jumper has improved but not enough to keep me from playing off on him constantly. He’s Avery Johnson 2.0 for me. And Westbrook plays D maybe 27.5884% of the time. Him AND Durant have a tendancy to get lazy on that end of the floor.

    • https://twitter.com/#!/IluminatiNYC Todd

      My top 5?

      1. Paul
      2. D. Williams
      3. D. Rose (only because the dude doesn’t pass enough for me)
      4. Parker
      5. Rondo

      • Corey

        Yeah DWill is the CP3 stopper. And he’s the ONLY one I’ve ever seen.

        • Justmetheguy

          ” Yeah DWill is the CP3 stopper. And he’s the ONLY one I’ve ever seen.”

          I was literally JUST about to mention that. I remember when I first discovered that Chris Paul had kryptonite, it was the year he should’ve won MVP (08) when Kobe won it. It was coming down to the last few games. The first one to have a bad game would have to concede the MVP to the other guy (well it was also about which team had the better record but that’s wack to admit) D. Will’s game is so complete (defense included) that it’s scary….I’m thinkin that I might re-do my top 5. Todd’s list is pretty accurate. It’s really a toss up to me between Rondo and Westbrook. Rondo’s a more true point guard, but Westbrook’s a better scorer and harder to guard in general…

          • Corey

            Not really. You defend Rondo and Westbrook the same way. Stay 5 feet back at all times or you WILL end up getting snapped off and on sportscenter looking stupid. Rondo will stand there and look lost and Westbrook will toss up 24 jumpers for the night and MAYBE hit 10 of them.

  • Justmetheguy

    I need to see both Irving and Wall play more, but as of right now Irving strikes me as more of a fluid and natural basketball player. He’s definitely lightyears ahead of him as a scorer, just like Wall’s leaps and bounds more athletic, but DQ made a good point about the assists and steals. I rarely see Irving distributing the rock in his highlights lol
    He’s a stone cold assassin when it comes to scoring tho. That jumper is as close to automatic as you can get coming off the dribble

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      ” I rarely see Irving distributing the rock in his highlights lol”

      he’s a good passer, but he’s definitely not in the paul/nash/rondo class in that regard.

    • DQ

      His assists are lower and his points are higher than most PGs. Maybe that’s an artifact of the team he’s playing with, maybe it’s not… but he honestly does strike me as an Allen Iverson type point guard (meaning not really a point guard but a shooting guard masquerading as a point guard. You could say the same thing about Brandon Jennings).

      • Corey

        It’s not even a question. Jennings is and always has been a 2. Westbrook is too on the slick. Same with DRose.

        • Justmetheguy

          @ Corey- yeah, they’re all “tweeners”, natural scorers that would be ridiculous two guards, but too short to play shooting guard in the league. Rose is a lil bit more of a point guard than Westbrook and Jennings…and I would say Jennings is more of a point guard than Westbrook. Actually I’m not sure if I would say Rose is more of a point guard than Jennings though. I’ve seen Jennings run the point the right way from time to time. Rose has that world class athleticism as a crutch…kinda like Michael Vick used to have

          • https://twitter.com/#!/IluminatiNYC Todd

            Jennings can run a point mainly because of his time off in Italy. They don’t like to play tweeners in the systems they run over there, and they’re much more willing to teach positions because of the lighter playing schedule. As a result, Jennings had the motive and opportunity to learn how to run a proper point.

            And with D. Rose, you are so right about the Michael Vick comparison. What makes it worse is that D. Rose doesn’t have any motivation to learn how to run a proper point the same way all those injuries got Vick to learn how to operate from the pocket. The ability is off-the-charts, and it sounds odd to say that a league MVP needs to seriously improve their game. That said, the Bulls long-term either need to stick a bigger-stronger tweener at the 2 or give Rose the crash course in point guard skills no one ever gave him.

            • Corey

              When you watch him play you can tell DRose has the court vision to run the point. Problem is he’s ALWAYS been the guy so he looks to score first and my personal opinion is that he really looks like he doesn’t really trust his teamates to make a bucket when they need one so he just takes it himself. If thats going to be the situation he really needs to get that jumper fixed quick fast and in a hurry. DRose is a mini Lebron. Deadly and damn near unstoppable off the dribble but they both are streaky jump shooters and can’t hit free throws when you have to have them.