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There’s No Such Thing As “Good Police”



In the reality-adjacent Baltimore-centered ecosystem of The Wire, “good police” stood as the single highest honor a character could receive. It was reserved for those who possessed the inherent qualities making someone a naturally gifted police officer and also performed those duties with integrity and verve. You had to be born good police, but you also needed to earn it.

For the years during and directly following the series, my man Brian and I incorporated that bestowing into our lexicon as a tongue-in-cheek way of describing any and every one who surpassed any type of expectation. It even spread to acts and inanimate objects. If the lettuce on your Jimmy John’s sub was crispier than usual, both the sandwich artist and the lettuce could be “good police.” We were annoying as fuck.

It’s been almost a decade since The Wire‘s final season. And while the policing of Black communities has never not been a relevant and deadly pertinent issue, the nine years since The Wire’s finale has seen an unprecedented national focus on it; a phenomenon undoubtedly due to the dozens of high profile and often fatal encounters between law enforcement and Black citizens that have been captured on camera. In this context, the concept of “good police” would seem to be an especially cruel anachronism, as American law enforcement has proven to be too tribal and consistently antagonistic to be effective, let alone good. But perhaps the most brilliant part of The Wire is that even while “good police” stood as its standard, it did this while making a five-season-long case that institutions — including law enforcement — are inherently flawed, and these flaws can make them weaponized devices of evil. “Good police” doesn’t and can’t exist.

It’s a concept I’ve thought about each time another dashcam or cell phone or audio recording of an unarmed person of color attacked, maimed, and sometimes even killed by police becomes public; an act often immediately followed by some sort of laud of the officer’s professionalism and repudiation of the victim’s character. Sometimes, before the footage is released, both the police department and the officer(s) involved will make some sort of statement about what actually transpired. And sometimes, when the footage is released, they will be proven to be lying. And sometimes the police department gets ahead of the public, and immediately suspends and charges the officer(s) involved, painting them as bad apples unworthy of the uniform.

I thought about it again yesterday, when reading that the initial account of what led to the killing of 15-year-old Jordan Edwards — that he was in a car that was backing up towards the police in an aggressive manner — was false.

I should probably clarify what “thinking about it” means in this context. I am not having any sort of internal debate or struggle about whether good police exist or not. I am pondering nothing. Instead, I’m reminding myself of what I already believe to be true. “Good police” is an inherent oxymoron. American law enforcement is such a foundational and institutional (and, arguably, intentional) clusterfuck that in order for good police to exist we’d have to collectively redefine what “good” means. What we understand “good” to be just cannot exist attached to a description of a police officer.

There are, of course, good people who happen to be cops. Who find a way to be good and decent despite the inherent occupational pressure to be amoral. But these are not good cops, because they can not be. They’re good people in blue uniforms.

I hope that, if you happen to interact with a police officer in the future, you encounter one of these good and decent people. Jordan Edwards, unfortunately, did not. He also was not killed by a bad apple. Just an apple.

Damon Young

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  • AKA The Sauce

    For all those folks saying we don’t need police reform. For all those folks saying Black Lives Matter doesn’t do anything. Remember this…body cams only started being used heavily once BLM and the rest of us demanded something be done. This was their answer and it finally catches them in their natural state. Scared liars who can’t keep a story straight. We need more accountability…I don’t want to hear another cop say their jobs have become harder since we demanded they be held accountable. This PROVES we need to stay on their lying @$$es.

    I hate that he was killed. His friends didn’t even know he was hit til they didn’t hear him talking and saw smoke coming out of his head. WTF. Yt kids don’t have to go through this. White parents don’t worry about their kids being gunned down by the same people who are sworn to protect them Yt parents don’t have to bury their children who make straight A’s. I’m so tired of hearing “NOT ALL COPS”. At this point I need to be shown proof that you are a good cop.

    In my eyes they are guilty until proven innocent. I mean…that’s how they look at us, it’s only fair.

    • They seriously have to prove it. They should have always had to have proven their “goodness”.

      • AKA The Sauce

        Cops words mean nothing to me.

        • The proof is in actions.

          • AKA The Sauce

            As with most things….words are just that….words.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      The body cams are useless without legislative change that removes statutory protection for cops.

      • AKA The Sauce

        Body cam were step one. We need legislative changes for sure…but we also need to vote people in office to execute those changes. Cuz these folks in charge….bruh!!!!

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          You think Texas is going to elect a plurality of people that want to hold cops accountable?

          This has never been a question of right or wrong, of intelligence, of money

          It’s been a question of power.

          • AKA The Sauce

            Not at all

          • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

            “Power concedes nothing without a demand…never had and never will.”

          • Overtymem Usicradio

            We can and we will.

      • True. But you need to develop a rationale for such changes. Body cam footage backs up that change against a group that a large chunk of the public still trusts.

        • I_AmU

          Body cams, streamed live from the start of the interaction between community members and the police carries no weight. That’s been proven. A police person’s escape from being held accountable is simple:state they believed their life or the life of their fellow officer was in danger.

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            I don’t know if “proven” is the right word, but it’s a issue of public trust.

            If the cops lose legitimacy, you get what happens in the Brazilian favelas. Instead of imagined targets on the back, there will be actual targets.

            Folks don’t want to start to talk about a failed state, because that would mean addressing the actual evidence.

            • I_AmU

              Imop before the enslaved hit the shores of colonialism “The State” has failed Resilients, POC and Native Americans. Because some don’t want to admit it, doesn’t make it untrue. Whether it’s a favela, ghetto, inner city, suburb, rural, reservation, the hood, man or woman, we all have a target on us.

        • John Shannon

          When the department can Edit said footage and make comments on an investigation of itself, kinda like Roger Goodell being the Arbitrator of Disciplinary Procedures that the NFL, aka ROGER GOODELL HIMSELF, places on a player or team, that just doesn’t fly anymore.

          Heck, many folks didn’t really bother calling the cops when Steven Stephens, the latest Facebook Shooter, killed Robert Godwin in cold-blood on Easter Sunday and were instead wondering where the Thugs and Dopeboys were to find him and take him out.

      • Gibbous

        Unfortunately, here in NC, body cam footage can’t be viewed by the general public w/o a court order. It’s pretty much guaranteed that nobody will see it. What’s the point, if not public accountability? We already know the hoops they’ll jump through to make it the victim’s fault.

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          They will realize their mistakes, but just like the middle East, they won’t do what is right.

          • Gibbous

            It’s not a mistake. The law is a new one, instituted after other videos of police misconduct resulted in protests and punitive action against police officers.

            • Brooklyn_Bruin

              I mean that these people are sowing the seeds of their own destruction.

              These only think that they’re safe. But we know where they are, and where they reside.

              Just like some have taken justice into their own hands in response to state sponsored violence – more and more people are seeing the illegitimacy of the state.

              We’re talking laws of physics, not rule of law.

              What is happening abroad to occupied people has happened in the states before. When will the straw break the elephant’s back?

      • NotToday

        Body cams work in that when the footage is preserved and made available, yt ppl can’t act like this isn’t a thing we’ve been consistently saying is happening. Honestly, the only way things are going to change is when they have to confront it head on and can’t deny it or make excuses for it. When you say, I can’t stay late at this work event b/c I’m afraid the cops might kick my black a** like a soccer ball for DWB they can’t say that you’re exaggerating. When you say dude was just jaywalking and ol boy ran up on him and kicked him in the head for no reason, they can’t say “well maybe he was acting in a threatening/erratic manner” Body cams work in that when your white co-worker decides to jaywalk you can pull up the youtube video of the black dude getting kicked in the head and when they say that won’t happen to me, you can ask them why and watch them struggle not to say “because he’s black and I’m white”. I’m seriously going to guilt all my white co-workers into writing congressmen and senators.

      • Diego Duarte

        Agreed. There needs to be legislative changes to make sure cops can’t doctor that footage, or withhold it, or otherwise tamper with their cameras. All of those should be felonies, requiring mandatory jail time, at the very least.

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          That’s a start. The real issue for me is not excusing a cop’s criminal liability for brutally and murder.

          • Diego Duarte

            The follow up would be a law explicitly dealing with police brutality and undoing decades of Supreme Court precedents. Among which includes a definition of when “I feared for my life” is a reasonable excuse, and the inability of officers to arrest someone for “resisting a lawful order” or “loitering” (which translates to being black or brown in a public area reserved for Whites).

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        • J_JamesM

          No need to even make up new penalties. Tampering with the evidence of a crime is already a crime in and of itself, it just needs to be clarified and enforced with regards to police camera footage.

      • Not useless. Just not enough.

    • *smoke coming out of his head*

      OMFG ??

      • AKA The Sauce

        Made a thug cry…I won’t lie. Jordan looks like a friend of mine I had way back when. So it’s bothering me a lil more than normal.

        • I am so bothered that when WE look at these kids…. They look like babies. Him, Jordan, Tamir, Trayvon… like these boys are not what menaces look like.

          I have been working on my general distrust of white folks… Well trying to but I can say it ain’t going nowhere any time soon.

          Our babies are targets no matter how good of a job we do raising them.

          • AKA The Sauce

            Right….we looking at the same image and see different things. We just want to live and raise our youngin…smh

          • Mochasister

            Nah, I am fine with being a little leery of white people. I think it is perfectly normal given our history and present with them.

    • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

      They see our skin color. I see their uniform. Fuck you, let me see YOUR hands.

    • Beauty In Truth

      Funny thing is, if a person runs out and says “The Holocaust never existed,” they would immediately face backlash as a severely ignorant person, aka “Holocaust Denier.” But for some reason, black peoples lives being taken irrationally can’t be given that same respect. Funny thing is though, “they didn’t even have cameras back then.”

  • Stanley

    How do you even “Back Up Aggressively?” Its just ridiculous. SMFH

    • AKA The Sauce

      Apparently by driving forward….who knew?

    • Charlito Brown

      If you didn’t know it was B.S. from jump, you knew it from the moment you heard “backed up aggressively.” When these tragedies occur, them trying to insult our intelligence upsets me almost as much as the lives lost or altered and lack of accountability.

    • miss t-lee

      Knew that sh*t was a lie when no one got arrested.

  • The fact that the Chief went out to defend and give “accounts” without first reviewing the footage was so disrespectful. He did not “mispeak.” He straight up lied.

    I recently purchased for a dash cam ($20) for PotentialPapi2 and myself. It’s so sad to think the 2nd thing that happens is it’s caught on my camera.

    The first is to not die just for being Black.

    • AKA The Sauce

      He took him at his word for it…my boss don’t even do that mess. When has blindly trusting someone ever worked out in real life? Don’t worry…i’ll wait

      • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

        My dude, and we aren’t talking about lives being lost either…if something straight up winds up missing around the office, your boss isn’t vouching for you unless he watches the video tape with a magnifying glass and get two character references from white folk that you weren’t in the building at the time.

    • KB

      The camera thing is not a bad idea.

      • AKA The Sauce

        I may be getting one

    • NotToday

      If google glasses had became a real thing, like inconspicuous glasses that could record encounters on demand and upload them to the cloud, I would have bought pairs for me and my two 6ft+ baby brothers. If I had a penny for every creepy encounter I’ve had with the police or ‘authority figures’ in general.

    • ClaymoreParamore

      I have the ACLU’s Justice app straight on my homescreen on my phone in order to record fuckery if need be. Video evidence probably won’t matter in the end to prosecute somebody (seems like a toss up at this point, no better than random luck) but it’s something. I guess.

    • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

      This. For Godsakes, this. Everyone from the top down who vouched for this account should be dismissed or pulled away from the ‘investigation’.

  • MoBell

    This breaks my heart each and every time this happens. As a mother, as a wife, as a sister and daughter, as a human being, the PTSD that grows inside me daily every time this happens takes years off my life due to the worry that I have about not being able to protect anybody from this happening, not my son, not family, not even myself. This institution is here to stay and it will probably get worse and the only thing we can do is live our life the best we can under this constant danger.

  • Another reason not to trust the government. Remember that these people are paid out of the same tax dollars withheld from our paychecks, tacked onto to our transactions and added to our various bills to “Support the Community”. Pay taxes, support legal terrorism.

    There’s a reason The Wire made a list of most libertarian shows ever, and it’s not because it features nerdy White guys making extreme political proposals in internet comments. ;-) Once you give the government power, you fundamentally risk the abuse of that power. In a country as inherently racist as the USA, that power will disproportionately be abused with Black and Brown folk, the end. It’s sad, but it’s also predictable. When you’re thinking about that new initiative funding some new spending plan, realize that it’s all going to support this.

    So now to stop it…

    • Hugh Akston

      “So now to stop it…”

      go on…

      • We entrust way too much power to the government’s hands, and we need to be more skeptical about the powers we give to them, along with the rationale behind them. Any law has the potential for abuse, and we need to seriously consider the costs versus the benefits.

    • Diego Duarte

      Some sort of police force will always be necessary. However the police force in the US is too heavily militarized and has too much power. They’re not servants of the law: they’re prosecutors, juries and judges all at once. Jurisprudence, precedents, they’re all too heavily skewed in favor of cops. The police force needs to be addressed on a federal level. It’s beyond fucking ridiculous that they get away with so much.

      • The Federal part is a tough one though. While Civil Rights laws are Federal, police power has been apportioned to the state through the 10th Amendment. While it’s not necessarily a bad thing (do you really want Congress deciding what houses can be built in Dubuque, Iowa?), it has its limitations. Also, the state governments would fight tooth and nail over any takeover.

        • Diego Duarte

          Competence is a thing Todd. Granting the federal government the power to set very clear, definite restrictions regarding how police officers should be trained and/or how their responsibilities regarding these sort of scenarios should be handled, does not equate allowing Congress to determine which houses can be built in Dubuque, Iowa.

          If there needs to be a Constitutional amendment, so be it. Cops need to have a body camera on them at all times. Tampering with that camera MUST be a federal crime. Maybe then we’ll start to see some police accountability.

          • D A

            I just feel that a constitutional convention is coming. The Republicans have worked diligently towards this goal by gaining state legislatures. They are almost at the two thirds threshold with 33 state legislature completely in republican control and several states have already passed resolutions calling for same. I cannot imagine that any such convention will produce any constitutional amendment that empowers minorities, especially with a confederate as attorney general. I fully expect a constitutional amendment protecting police. Yet people still think that voting is meaningless.

            • Diego Duarte

              And yet whenever a SINGLE suggestion to change a constitutional precedent or pass a single law, or call for a single amendment is made among the liberals and proggressives, you see an entire flock of people standing up and shouting you down because apparently the American Constitution is flawless, your current legislation is flawless and any and all attempts to change the aforementioned are unnecessary.

              No, seriously, it happens even in this site. People need to understand that laws need to adapt to reality, is kind of why laws are even a thing. This isn’t an issue in almost every other country. Let me repeat that:

              Amending the Constitution, changing constitutional precedents, changing the law ARE NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. STOP BEING DRAMATIC ABOUT IT.

              Only in the United States do people act like the “Founding Fathers” were some sort of messiahs, and illuminated beings who drafted the single most perfect piece of legislation ever devised; instead of a group of slave-owners looking to protect their own interests.

              This is why conservatives keep on winning: complacency and in-fighting among the Left.

              • Mochasister

                To a lot of white Americans the founding fathers ARE a type of “messiah” so to speak. They are are not to be criticized and their documents are more golden than Joseph Smith’s golden plates.

  • Wizznilliam

    I’ve been thinking this for a while too. The so called “good cops” all know exactly who the “bad cops” are. They work with and cover up for them daily. So until bad cops actually start being turned in and fired for their behavior then I won’t believe in the mythical “good cops” either. Their no snitching policy is stronger than the gangs and other criminals.

    • It’s stupid, but I understand. The bad cops are often the ones who try to save fellow cops from the real savages out there. How many people are willing to risk their lives to do the right thing in ANY profession?

      • Wizznilliam

        I get why they don’t turn each other in.. I’ve heard multiple stories of how good cops become targets of bad cops for talking against the blue wall. But they shouldn’t expect me to call them “good” when I know the majority of them are not doing the right thing.

        • Diego Duarte

          Because good cops are the minority, bad cops get paid well to “remove thugs from the streets” and the good publicity, also because civil forfeiture is a thing. The system bad cops thrive on necessitates the riddance of good cops one way or another.

          • Civil Forfeiture is another scam. There are so many ways that cops can take property, and it’s often used to fund the police department. Why wouldn’t they just make up reasons to arrest people when they directly benefit?

            • Diego Duarte

              This is another reason taxes on the rich need to be hiked and well enforced. The money that THEY don’t pay towards keeping a professionalized police force is instead “appropriated” from the empoverished by means of uncontestable fines and civil forfeiture.

            • Hugh Akston

              saw a documentary on civil forfeiture to see the actual footage of the process and how its being done…is impressing…but yt folks feeling some of the there is always that upside

            • Cheech

              They don’t even need to make an arrest. Just stop the car (or question the traveler), seize the cash, and put the burden on the citizen to sue for it back. Guess how many citizens win that one (or even try)?

              There’s an organization that teaches these tactics to local and state police depts–how to do it, and how to fund themselves off it. (Black ice, I think it’s called.)

            • I_AmU

              “The Supreme Court is looking for cases to curb abusive law enforcement seizures.”

          • Epsilonicus

            Baltimore has a history of ruining the lives of good cops. Folks get chased from town and oftentimes even the union ignores it. Good cops end up in “accidents” with their partners

          • John Shannon

            Like how America wants to use El Chapo’s drug money to fund the Wall- “Civil Forfeiture” through Drug Money…… as long as it ain’t the Taxpayers’ money folks are all for money being illegally taken

            • Diego Duarte

              “As long as it ain’t rich folks’ money”

              Fixed that for you. The poor still pay taxes.

      • Alessandro De Medici

        It’s also a flaw in American law enforcement applications, and how Americans view it.

        In principle in the country, there is a belief that you can use police to “prevent crime” in the country, as opposed to arrest and punish criminals. One accepts that crime has to be done first and punished second, the other assumes that you can use the force of law, to change behaviors in a population. A good chunk of that mindset and philosophy makes up how politicians use and treat police powers.

        This kind of eventually takes you down the path of the Minority Report movie. Where eventually, in the name of preventing crime from happening, or worse crimes from happening, it’s okay and legal for a police officer to shoot and kill someone who “maybe” a criminal. You can’t give police officers the panopticon powers and then not expect abuses will happen in excess,

    • AKA The Sauce


    • Diego Duarte

      “Good cops” are either rooted out, by the corrupt institution; corrupted themselves; or “dealt with” as in killed. Wasn’t there a black cop, some years back, that shot and killed an officer and then went out and hid in a cabin in some woods? And it turned out the guy had been repeatedly harazzed by the police force for reporting blatant racism and corruption?

      • That was Christopher Dorner. I found the fact that he was being cheered on troubling as Michael Slager’s mistrial.

        • Spicy Kas

          Many scary stories around that but the worst was:

          Vidal learned that Dorner had attacked officers in Riverside and Corona that night, killing one. The sergeant discussed with his officers how they’d react to the fugitive, depending on how many of them Dorner “doesn’t take out.”

          The tense scene and chaotic moments that followed were described in detail in a memo released by the district attorney’s office Wednesday, when prosecutors announced they would not charge the officers who opened fire on two newspaper delivery women they mistook for Dorner.

          The mother and daughter were in a blue Toyota Tacoma truck; the officers had been warned that Dorner was driving a blue or gray Nissan Titan pickup. A sergeant and seven officers stationed outside the home unleashed more than 100 rounds, mistakenly believing they were under fire.

          The Feb. 7, 2013, shooting remains a controversial episode in the dramatic, days-long search for Dorner, who killed four people and wounded three others before dying in a gun battle with police.

          The women received $4.2 million in a legal settlement from the city of Los Angeles, along with money to buy a new truck. The officers were faulted by LAPD Chief Charlie Beck and the Police Commission, and received weeks of extensive retraining before returning to the field.

          “The barrage of gunfire was tremendous, and troubling,” prosecutors wrote, but not criminal.

          “The fear of Dorner was understandable and justified,” the memo said. “There is no evidence to suggest that the officers did not honestly believe that Dorner was in the vehicle, nor is there evidence to suggest that the officers did not honestly believe they were being fired upon.”

          • Spicy Kas

            Side note: 100 shots fired and luckily these two ladies are still alive, but what does say about the ability of these officers to actually handle a real event?

            • Mochasister

              I remember those poor women. You would have thought those police officers were in jungles of ‘Nam the way they were shooting. 100 rounds fired?!

      • Wizznilliam

        Yes.. I’ve heard stories too… But if the majority of them were actually good then there wouldn’t be a need to worry about that. The “bad” ones in theory would be the ones rooted out if that were the case. None of them should expect me to assume any of them are good either way.

    • I_AmU

      Report a fellow cop for wrong doing and best believe when you call for back-up ain’t no one coming. If they do they will have let enough time pass for the paid informant to have killed you.

      • Wizznilliam

        Yes.. And that is further evidence that the majority of them are NOT good. Otherwise the bad would not be able to get away with that.

        • I_AmU


  • Miklonis

    “Good” is a relative term that can vary across racial and economic lines. If the Police keep the order, keep the wrong people out of the way of the “right” people, inspire fear in not only actual criminals but also in those who resemble the criminal’s skin color, if they hide “polite” society from the ugliness of poverty and homelessness–than that’s “good” if not GREAT to some. This is the rubric in which those officers who blew this young man’s head apart are “good” officers. You respond to a report of drunk teens with an AR-15 rifle OUT and ready to go?

    I wish they’d release the crime scene photo so people can appreciate what happened to this young man. His head blown apart by a 7.62 mm bullet, brains everywhere. They still won’t get it, but maybe some will at least acknowledge this response and these tactics are indefensible. A 15 year-old child is dead and at best they can muster is a “MY BAD?” This is horrible, even less defensible than the Tamir Rice shooting. And the LIES, LIES, LIES! Everyone who wrote that report should be fired for perjury. That police report is SWORN testimony. Anyone who’s report corroborated what they knew to be false should be fired. That’s what Damon is really getting at–no good vs. bad apples, it’s like blank, indifferent fruit waiting to be filled in in defense of their brotherhood. Indifference is just as bad if not worse.

  • The field needs a reset. It’s build on a flawed premise of protecting some from others. Whether it’s tracking slaves or beating up Irishmen fresh off of a boat American law enforcement was effed from the beginning.

    That morphed into the conflation of serving to occupying the areas where we live. The inclusion of race based laws, arrest quotas, the need to meet stats, and the influx of the militarization of policing just made everything murkier.

    My assistant is in a field artillery unit the National Guard. In March they did their annual two week training in Georgia. Their job was act as an army unit fighting off a force of irregulars trying to infiltrate their lines. He told me of two of the irregulars, who were full time soldiers, were caught scouting them wearing civilian garb. They and their vehicle were searched and during that a gun was found. Two of my guy’s unit were policemen from Columbia and Myrtle Beach and they immediately yelled “10- something” a police code meaning a gun was found.He said that moment they immediately starting roughing the fake civilians up.

    To me it was just telling on how they blurred the line between their two jobs. It got so bad that a regular army officer later came up to tell them to chill the eff out with the cop act.

    • I used to think that having a background in the military would help. I know so many military men and women who can’t fathom how cops are being trained. Law enforcement is being militarized without the actual military training and assessment that goes into preparing people for actual combat.

      • That was one of the things about the Ferguson. A lot of vets viewed the cops as bumbling and said their body language only agitated things.

      • Epsilonicus

        Soldiers have more rules in battle than a cop does on domestic streets

        • Mr. Mooggyy

          My homeboy was telling me about, in the military, there are strict guidelines about escalation of force! Even if it gets too the point of taking a shot, you must try to resuscitate if the situation allows. This coming from a Marine!

      • John Shannon

        At least in the Military we have Rules of Engagement; and many want to be able to Shoot First rather than De-escalate a situation like a Cop can just fire their weapon!!!!

        To many, Negotiations are only for businesses and Politics and Diplomacy is a waste depending on what foreign leader is an Ally as far as National Security, Trade Agreement or a Foe that shouldn’t be spoken to to change (Cuba- No Diplomatic Relations, but Russia- Best Friends, Please)

  • Junegirl627

    The parent of a kid who played foot ball with Jordan edwards in quoted a saying “Awesome parents,” Mr. Cano said. “He was not a thug. This shouldn’t happen to him.”

    This is why are kids are dying. this is why the cops walk away because in white America’s eyes this is an accident. Mistaken Identity. He was a good black and the cops didn’t realize it. He wasn’t a Thug cuz you know thugs getting shot in the back of the head by a cop because he had the nerve to drive home from a party is okay. But the black kid you like that you gave permission to play with your paste bag kid shouldn’t get that type of treatment. That cop isn’t a bad guy he just has bad eyesight he should’ve seen little Jordan’s tolerable negro credentials.

    • AKA The Sauce

      No win situation

    • Wizznilliam

      100% truth… I was thinking the same thing. It shouldn’t matter that he was a “good negro”.

    • NotToday

      I reeeeally hate respectability politics. I hate that my hair is considered unprofessional, I hate that certain vernacular is considered uneducated, and I haaaate that I have to ask myself “if I get assaulted wearing this, will the police say it’s my fault?” BUT I think the reasoning behind labeling a person murdered by cop ‘one of the good ones’ is so that yt people are forced to confront it. If a cop kills someone who’s absolutely impeachable, then why can’t you come to the next BLM rally? We know the answer, it’s because 97.89% of yt ppl are okay with the status quo. They can ignore a ‘thug’ getting shot but a kid with good grades from a good home with both parents? The kid might as well be one of them and you still can’t get most of them to defend us. And that’s the sick thing, we need them to defend us otherwise nothing will change. That’s why I think people go to the ‘he was a good one’ thing. It’s desperation.

      BTW it really makes me sick that b/c Tamir Rice was too young to have any dirt on him, they turned it on him not having both parents at home. It physically makes me ill.

    • Say it again.

    • siante

      “He was not a thug. This shouldn’t happen to him.”

      comments like this anger me because the person making it will never see how racist they are for allowing a thought like this to even enter their mind.

      • Junegirl627

        Let’s not even go into the fact he isn’t considered a good kid until a white person says it. If the black pastor, his parents, the black principal, the black cop, the other black kids all say he did nothing wrong and was a good kid. It doesn’t matter to white people they all have an agenda and wanna crucify the poor innocent white guy.

        • siante

          man that’s deep & so true. In no way does a lack of “white” validation excuse the killings of all of the other black men who were perceived as “thugs” but in the minds of a lot of white folk, it does.

      • cedriclathan

        I don’t know how many times I’ve just wanted to ask, “Do I need to go get a white person to vouch for me?”

      • pls

        Right! What shouldn’t be happening is scary azz cops walking around with a license to shoot on sight. Take cops’ guns away, period. There’s never a reason for a cop to need a gun.

    • I_AmU

      His reason for being where he was or his existence should not matter but unfortunately it does matter. He was trying to avoid a situation inside the party where a fight had broken out. It’s sobering to know he could still be breathing had he not chosen to behave responsibly by leaving.

      • Junegirl627

        No it does not matter. at all. I have to disagree withyou. anyone who tries to define this a series of unfortunate events are complicit and have been sanitized and desensitized to what is happening in our world. There is no reason, no excuse, no scenario where anything other than a cop pulling out a shot gun and shooting a vehicle without provocation is important. to bring up anything else continuing a disgusting cycle of legitimizing the weaponizing of black skin and the excusing the irrational fear white people have of black skin. Do you realize that a cop would get into more trouble for shoot a golden lab in that situation then that boy. a cop would face more disaplinary action if he shot a TV in Best buy than that boy. because we are a threat just by being. So don’t focus on the shoulda coulda and woulda’s. Focus on the fact that a boy is dead and cop killed him for no reason and will walk away with early retirement.

        • I_AmU

          We have a misunderstanding. When I state it does matter it’s directed towards those who believe the police can do no wrong. I’m not condoning the action of the murderer. I’m indicting the social construct that views these incidents as acceptable and normal. The police are government sanctioned executioners when it involves Resilients and POC.

          • Junegirl627

            Oh! i’m sorry. I understand now.

            • I_AmU

              No worries. It’s all good.

    • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

      Exactly I saw this quote in the New York Time article and it’s exactly this mentality that enable Jordan to be shot dead in the first place. He can take his fake, respectability code wording sympathy over THERE. We ain’t here for that $h!t any more!

    • Maine&Grace
      • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

        No. It’s blatant. I almost threw my phone at the window when I read that quote this morning.

    • Sis!!! THIS!

      This, especially, touched because my kid is “one of the good ones”.

      White folks say shyt like that to her all the time.. I have to give her real talk daily about not buying that bs..

      • Mochasister

        I hate that people are focusing on the fact that Jordan was a straight A student and football player and a “good kid.” This would have been as equal a tragedy with a suspended student or a student who was about to flunk out.

  • AKA The Sauce

    As @Wizznilliam:disqus said

    “The so called “good cops” all know exactly who the “bad cops” are.”

    Again…there are no good cops. Guilty by association in my eyes. Think of it this way:

    If I’m wit my bonehead homie and he decides to kill someone. If I don’t directly to the police and report him…I’m now a party to his crime. If I hide it from the police…I get time. Doesn’t matter if I’m a good person who would never kill someone. Because I was with him and I held that information…once I get caught…I am now also guilty.

    WTF does this logic not apply to our law enforcement? This “blue wall” BS is just a accessory situation to me…I’m no lawyer but that’s the way my simple mind works.

    • I understand the hurt and resentment, but I don’t buy they’re aren’t any good cops. My uncles have been officers for more than 20 years (each) and they are good officers. They stick around in hopes to train other good officers. The issue, as they see it, is an increase in “paper officers.” People who go to school for criminal justice, graduate and make rank, take a short training course, do one ride along, and then get put on the streets.

      The “old cops (15 years or more)” remember community policing and many were trained military or went through a longer process straight out of school. The police academy has changed along with the need to make more money (shortening the training, having quotas, etc). And the people are suffering for it.

      • The idea behind that was to get better educated cops. The problem is that these criminal justice programs are staffed by cops, and the students are those marginal students who probably wouldn’t graduate otherwise.

        • Can’t rock with you there. The issue is you can’t learn good policing from a text book. (Really any job). The criminal justice programs are staffed by those with a lot of letters behind their names and not enough blocks/beats.

          • I agree with you. I just wanted to explain the rationale behind such a mindset.

            • Sigma_Since 93

              Unions are standing in the way of making it a requirement that beat cops must live in the neighborhoods they protect.

              • I partially buy their rationale. Prior to the 70s, cops were heavily involved in graft, and they’d often take their knowledge of the neighborhood to make some profits on the side. Still, it should be at least someplace similar.

                • Sigma_Since 93

                  Only if money was to be made. Sometimes I’d rather take my chances with the cops of my youth then the cops of today.

              • Atlanta is now offering great incentives for this. Housing specifically built for officers with a mortgage structure to support their pay (I could go on about this, too). I think it could help.

              • John Shannon

                It’s too late for that, no Cop is safe in the PoC communities anymore based on this climate. The Departments don’t see them worth protecting nor do Folks Trust Any Cop- I was a CO for a minute and yet folks were looking to take me out any chance they got because all they see is a Badge; there’s practically Zero Rehabilitation in Corrections nor for PoC “serving your time” means you get to return to Society- just ask Michael Vick an plenty of Felons who can’t get student loans, government assistance for rent, housing, food stamps, etc. More Employers Who do hire Felons do it for the Tax Write-Off and pay them less than what the position they get requires

      • Zil Nabu

        I am sure you uncles are good men, hence why they make the efforts they do. However, this is not about individual officers. It’s about the institution. The institution itself cannot produce “good police” in order to function.

        • I agree. But the statement implied all. I merely wanted to show casting a wide net without understanding the intricacies, from an inside perspective.

          • Zil Nabu

            I 1000% agree with that net. It’s time we separate the individuals from the institution.

            • AKA The Sauce

              Do they separate the situation from the individual?

      • AKA The Sauce

        I’m not saying there are no good cops. I’m saying that that until you do something to combat this foolishness…you are a bad cop in my eyes. You need to prove to me that you are “not one of them” just like I apparently have to prove to them.

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