Theory & Essay

There You Go Telling Me No Again.

For today’s edition of Friday Fun I thought I’d really have fun with this.  Two Friday’s ago we had a freestyle battle and that was entertaining but everybody doesn’t have rap skills.  But you know what everybody does have?

An opinion.  Let us begin.

By now, most of you realize that I’m a big music person.  I litter posts with numerous musical references and wonder who will pick them up.  I have named a good percentage of each of my posts using song titles.  And it seems that a good majority of our commenters (and probably lurkers alike..we’ll test this today) have an affinity for music.  My affinity for music has led to some of the most climactic debates of all time.  On my old blog I actually decided to take on the age old question of:

What’s the best Jodeci song of all time?

I took that question to the streets of DC and got all kinds of responses.  I think that “Freek-N-U” is the best Jodeci song of all time but I got nearly every song in their catalog at least once though I’m pretty sure that “Come and Talk To Me” prevailed (though an argument could be made for any of the first 6 songs on Diary of A Mad Band).  I’d actually like your take on that, but that’s not what today’s debate is going to be about.

Oh no.  We’re going to Debo that one and take it a step further.  You see, The Champ and I have decided to make this here blog relationship-centric.  And despite the myriad explanations of us gangsta’s on this site about how we refuse to pander to the p***y, the fact is, 99 percent of us are tricking, and the other 1 percent doesn’t even realize it.  By the way, there’s a 100 percent margin of error on that last statistic.

Even though me and the rest of the men on this site are some straight G’s, the R&B world has been littered with men who were much less than G’s – men who would get down on bended knee when their river ran dry and proclaimed that they’d make love to you, how you want them too.  Hell, they’d even hold you tight, all through the night.

You know who I’m talking about – the begging arse ninjas who couldn’t help but to give women the sun, the rain, the stars, the moon, and the mountains.  Which led me to this question:

Who was the most begging arse ninja out there?

The easy money is on Keith Sweat but truly, I’m not sure if that’s accurate.  Babyface was one begging mofo.  Hell, do you REMEMBER the words to the song “Ready or Not”?  Or what about “When Can I See You Again?”

Aaron Hall?  He was a beggar too.  Coincidentally, he begged R. Kelly for his style back but R. Kelly just pissed on him.

Zing!

Johnny Gill?  Gay, but a beggar nonetheless.  Hell, New Edition were all some begging dudes.  Is this the end?  Yes Ralph, it was.

To tell the truth, the entire male R&B genre of the late 80’s and early 90’s was an ode to men who just couldn’t get enough of that good lovin’ and didn’t care who knew about it.  Sensitivity, anyone?

So there it is ladies and gentlemen, for today’s edition of Friday Fun, who was the most begging arse singer?  Lay out the argument.  All of you are music aficionados today.  Put some Lisa Lisa & The Cult Jam on your iPod, max and relax, tap into your music selection of the glory years and put somebody on blast.

Dom dom didday!

And while we’re at it…what IS the best Jodeci song?

I fully expect lurkers to chime in today.  You have an opinion.  Sharing is caring.

(And by the way, Bobby Brown’s Don’t Be Cruel is the best R&B album EVER with the only possible arguments being Michael Jackson’s Thriller and Off The Wall, though I consider them straight pop albums.  You can argue with me on this, but you will be wrong.)

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka TANGLE JIG P

PS Happy 3-day weekend for those who get Columbus Day off.  Yay gov’t employment.

Damon Young

Panama Jackson is pretty fly for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

    Tangle Jig, I’m gonna need you to watch yourself when speaking of New Edition. That is, unless you want me to windmill on yo’ a$$ the next time I see you in the streets.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      lucky for me your arms are too short to box with P.

  • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

    Damn. This is a hard one. I’m a maverick so I’m not following the rules. I’m gonna talk directly to the people.

    My beggin-est group isn’t a group at all. It’s most rappers from the Cool C to…well I don’t know. But I think it was right around Cool C–as I recall–where men started listing what they had (Translation: the material things they thought would make them more attractive to women who’d normally never look at them once, let alone twice). I call it Jedi-Beggin’. It’s basically saying, “Please look at me. I got keys to a new car and a ‘diamelle’ in my ear and a Hey-Suese piece ’round my neck.”

    Cool C went so hard with it that his ass ended up in jail. For what? Stealing. Why? After the rap career went south (this in no way means it ever went north), he needed a way to get women to sleep with him. But he had no funky dividends so he robbed a bank (or was it a store–google it). He went to jail on the Jedi-Beggin’ tip. That’s the ultimate price right there!

    For all you Joe Six Packs playing a drinking game: MAVERICK!

    • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

      BTW, I think Cool C gets a pass for being R&B because his hook was sang by someone who once had aspirations of being a R&B star. Think Jodeci & Mary J. Blige singing the hooks for Father MC. We all know where Mary and Jodeci are but who the hell knows where Father MC is??

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

        I saw him driving a street sweeper down Florida Ave last month.

      • http://nujerooz.blogspot.com DirtyJerz

        Cool C!?!?!? ROFL…didn’t that corny *ss dude get the death penalty?

        • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

          He did get the death penalty. BUT, according to Wiki, “He was to have been put to death on March 9, 2006, but his execution has been stayed.”

        • http://clubshiznit.blogspot.com/ Mme. Editor-in-Chief

          Sounds like he more than robbed a bank!

          • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

            Yeah he killed a cop during the robbery.

            • http://clubshiznit.blogspot.com/ Mme. Editor-in-Chief

              Damn!

          • http://nujerooz.blogspot.com DirtyJerz

            Yeah, he shot and killed a female cop. That pretty much put him up UNDER the penn.

    • miss kate

      Jedi-beggin…that’s a good one!

  • http://liffy.blogspot.com Luvvie

    I have a couple of questions myself.

    **Am I the only one who ever wanted to poke Aaron Neville’s mole with a stick, like Austin Powers did to “Mole”?

    **Does A. Neville still wear them extra shmedium lycra and viscose shirts that show his nipplage at the right temperature?

    **Has the stock of activator dropped since the 90s?? ALL them dudes were rocking the h*ck outta s-curls.

    **Has anyone seen Jo-Jo lately? Homeboy is on that tooth-loosening diet. *Sigh* No one made him watch “The Corner” huh? *The More That Mofo NEEDS to Know* (No Shooting Star. Just a puff of smoke)

    **Did anyone else want to slice their veins with a butter knife when listening to Keith Sweat for more than 5 mins. That nasal voice was sooo irritating.

    **Did Ginuwine stop using Prostyl gel to slick down his baby hair yet?

    THESE, my people, are the important questions I’d like to know.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

      I will FOREVER be angry w/Ginuwine about that brown gel’d down baby hair and the way he chose to spell his stage name. Just…ewww.

      • 8th Wonder

        Ease off him, yo.

        He was just a bachelor, lookin for a partner. He was so anxious. And that ain’t none of your friend’s business.

        • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

          HAAAAAAAA!

        • Gem of the Ocean

          well done *clap clap*

        • http://www.kindredsmile.blogspot.com KindredSmile

          Good job, but don’t forget he ain’t doing this sh*t for nothing.

    • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

      This

      **Does A. Neville still wear them extra shmedium lycra and viscose shirts that show his nipplage at the right temperature?

      and this

      **Has the stock of activator dropped since the 90s?? ALL them dudes were rocking the h*ck outta s-curls.

      and this

      **Did Ginuwine stop using Prostyl gel to slick down his baby hair yet?

      had me laughing so hard my head hurts…

    • http://nextbigthing.blogsome.com Hostess

      **Did Ginuwine stop using Prostyl gel to slick down his baby hair yet?

      I don’t know. But I do know (suspect) that Mc Brains and Ginuwine are the same. Has anyone ever seen them on the same stage?? Exactly!!!

      • SouthernGirl

        I can’t believe you dug up MC Brains! Me and my girls had a dance routine to that damn oochie coochie song for a school talent show once. How they let us on the stage with that foolishness I still do not know. *laughing and hanging head in shame*

        • shay-d-lady

          shyt mc brains brainstorming is one of the best joints eva!!!! so you wanna be loved by me.. my name is mc BEEEE…..LMAO

          • young

            “shyt mc brains brainstorming is one of the best joints eva!!!! ”

            uh…….. are you for real?

            lol

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

              that HAS to be a joke. it didnt even show up on vh1’s greatest hip-hop songs of all time. and we KNOW that vh1 knows what they’re talking about!

              i mean, they had pete rock and cl smooth’s “t.r.o.y.” at like 90 or something. and we all know that missy songs are way better than that which is why she was so high up on the list.

              viva la vh1.

              • Fly…

                I didn’t catch the list. But if they didn’t have the Lost Boyz “Renee”, then it probably shouldn’t be trusted.

      • miss t-lee

        You know what? A friend from another forum I visit has the same theory as you do Hostess. I really think ya’ll might be right…lol

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      **Has anyone seen Jo-Jo lately? Homeboy is on that tooth-loosening diet. *Sigh* No one made him watch “The Corner” huh? *The More That Mofo NEEDS to Know* (No Shooting Star. Just a puff of smoke)

      ***looking side-eyed at corner security for letting luvvie out***

      • overit

        LMAO @ no shooting star, just a puff of smoke.

        Stop the sadness!

      • http://igville.blogspot.com Luvvie

        I’m slicker than an oil spill. Security don’t know I slipped out the corner!!

        *Sneaking back in*

  • blackberry molasses

    PBG I gots some Diva Dust for you. I like your style.

    Hmmmm…. Begging singer(s)

    Its hard to choose, they all begged so much. I’d have to throw Dru Hill out there. Remember “Tell Me”? Complete with that crazy jump-dance. Were they aerobicizing?

    Oh yeah. Let’s not forget about Silk, Mint Condition, Goodfellas, Portrait, and those guys who sang “Tell Me Where You Want Me to Put It. Oh yeah, and one hit wonder Rome….

    Beggars all…

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

      Sprankle me, B.B. Mo’! <—I just gave you a nickname. *snicker*

      Mint Condition may have been begging, but dayum if that wasn’t some high-quality begging. I heart the hellz out of some Mint Condition.

      • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

        true… I stay having them on repeat on the ipod..

        the man proposed to “I’m Ready”

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

          Hot diggity! I would’ve said yes too!

      • http://www.kindredsmile.blogspot.com KindredSmile

        Mint Condition is a stellar group that was light years ahead of their time, you hear me? A couple of months ago I was actively searching for tickets for a concert they did in the burbs, and they were all sold out. Besides, I still rock their tshirts and get questions on how to get one.

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

          Mint Condition will be @ the Birchmere across the bridge in NVa in January and guess who will be there…

          that’s right, ME!! Me and my Pretty Brown Eyes. Woohooo!

          • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

            This has evoked some twisted lips and a HARD teeth sucking

            JEALOUS!!

          • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

            highly jealous right now… i want to relive “That Night”

      • http://clubshiznit.blogspot.com/ Mme. Editor-in-Chief

        Me too. My feelings were hurt to see Mint on this list.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        me too…”pretty brown eyes” is one of the greatest songs in music history. you can disagree, but you will be wrong.

        • http://www.singleblackmale.net Teacia

          I soooo agree and I got to see them live 2 summers ago on the New Edition tour, with Toni Tony Tone and After 7…GREAT concert!!!

    • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

      and yay for being a gubment employee…. 3 day weekend!! who-whoo!!!

      *sneezes*

      though i’ll prally spend it convalescing… i must have pissed off the Universe

      • http://www.myspace.com/circa1908 Intellectual Hedonist

        YAY! for being a gobment employee. I’m off tomorrow too. Driving down to Merrland for the LONG weekend!

        so I wont be on here today much, just pretty much till I get too tired

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

          I’m off on Monday too and I’m hittin’ the mean streets of DC to party and drink all weekend.

          Although, there will be no repeats of last year’s Columbus Day weekend during which I decided I would take whiskey shots (on top of being 2 drinks past my 4 drink minimum) w/the big men that provide security @ PeeJay’s establishment (they all had Sunday night off too).

          That…was a mistake.
          smh.

          • IVR

            Anything big going on in DC for the long weekend? Shouts out to my fellow General Schedule folks!

    • 8th Wonder

      “those guys who sang “Tell Me Where You Want Me to Put It.”

      That would be Solo.

      That is also the amounts of hits they had.

      • SouthernGirl

        lol. i actually have that album somewhere back in NO. i remember thinking it was pretty good.

        • kaliber

          yeah i had that Solo jawn too! mattafact i *almost* bought the cd from the bargain cd bin last weekend…but i got the Love Jones dvd instead…

          • SouthernGirl

            that maxwell mellosmoothe remix kills me everytime…

            • kaliber

              AH SouthernGirl! i just SAW HIM LIVE LAST NIGHT. thats one man that doesnt have to beg for it…unless he wants to. the albums dont do his voice justice.

              • SouthernGirl

                the albums dont do his voice justice

                so true.that man can just stand and sing. i’m jealous! i saw him right after now came out and damn near lost my mind. not sure i’m gonna be able to make it this time around.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                “thats one man that doesnt have to beg for it…unless he wants to”

                from what i understand, i dont know if you have the right, ummm, “equipment” to induce begging from him

              • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

                JEALOUS!

          • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

            i have it too… and can find it if need be lol

      • miss t-lee

        I still have my Solo cd…ha!

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        naw, SOLO had the song “Heaven” that was their hit song.

        • http://lizburr.com Liz

          oh there you are.

    • http://treasureyourmind.blogspot.com/ Treasure

      Rome works at a Washington Mutual in LA now…True story.

      • http://www.kindredsmile.blogspot.com KindredSmile

        LMAO I have his CD in my coaster collection. (Along with the Sprung soundtrack, a Too Short CD, and a sh*tload of “demos”.)

      • 8th Wonder

        oh no, not WaMu!

      • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

        So this means he is now unemployed?

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

          Dayum. Rome stay losin’!

    • Nicki Sunshine

      Did you say “Were they aerobicizing?”

      Oh my gawd, I’m cracking up. I can’t lie, I loved that song…. Sysco is so fruity.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

    I cannot think of another song while I’m already listening to something else. I’m listening to Sweet Honey In The Rock (compiling some music for work) and that is so far removed from this blog topic. As soon as I finish w/this, I guess I’ll come w/a decent opinion on the topic @ hand.

    • The Queen

      I like Sweet Honey but I haven’t seen them perform in ages.

  • SouthernGirl

    Hmmm….now all i can think about is lisa lisa and the beggin’ @ss, jheri curl wearing mofo’s in full force beggin’ in i wonder if i take you home. and that damn pink jumpsuit…and keith sweat performing at the zulu ball (my NO folks know what I’m talking about–big deal back home) and good and grown @ss women losing their minds like it was 1989.

    Best Jodeci song though? trying but i’m tired and it’s late. I’ll go by album cause i can’t pick one right now…I’m still waiting, cry for you and luv u 4 life.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      the zulu ball?

      • SouthernGirl

        it’s a social club for black men that my uncle is part of and they have THE best parade and the first one on mardi gras day. but anywho…the mardi gras krewe’s have black tie balls every year and the zulu ball is very popular. all types of folks have come to perfom. chaka was there one year tearin’ it up.

        • http://myspace.com/ezra504 Uninspired Muse

          Word.

          I miss those balls.

  • SouthernGirl

    and hell on ya’ll gubment employees right now. yeah, i’m hatin’. hi hater my @ss…

    • http://www.myspace.com/circa1908 Intellectual Hedonist

      Dancing in my chair!!! HI HATERS!!!

    • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

      you see me… hi hater!

      • SouthernGirl

        oh yeah, i see you *side-eye* lol

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

    OK, the best Jodeci song is “My Heart Belongs To You”. IMHO.

    And I think Babyface may be the begging-est singer from back in the day. I had to go look and listen to a few songs but umm….let’s just point like half of “Tender Lover”. In particular that song “Given A Chance”. I LOVED this song (whole tape for real…yes, I had it on tape: “19 9-0, junior year @ Dunbar High, the Sony Walkman was rockin’ and PBG was mad fly”) but this was a beggin’ a$$ song. He was gonna make it up to her, ya heard???

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

      And let’s not forget all those beggin’ a$$ songs he wrote for everybody else!! Wooohooo! We need another Babyface out here nowadays.

      • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Naturally Alise

        yep,now we got Neyo, or as i affectionaely call him”Babyfake”…..

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

          Neyo???

          I refuse to accept that obvious comparison.

          *walks away in silent defiance*

          • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Naturally Alise

            i despise neyo,hence babyfake. I am just saying he is the R&B songwriter for the moment….

            • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

              I know, girl…but if we refuse to accept it and ignore his existence, he will cease to exist. And all will be right in the world again. I’ve seen this work! So come on, refuse with me!!

              We may need one more person, though. Like in the Bible when 3 or more are gathered together n’ shyt.

              • http://www.myspace.com/circa1908 Intellectual Hedonist

                ***walking in on the conversation***

                count me in

              • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com/ eysqueen

                *turning my back and closing my eyes

                Neyo who?

              • http://www.fyre08.blogspot.com Ro

                It’s where 2 or more are gathered…lol. But I’m joining in anyway.

              • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Naturally Alise

                2 or more are gathered touching and agreeing… (that sounds kind of nasty, that dang-on Bible I tell ya)

              • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

                Ya’ll can love Ne-Yo all ya’ll want. I got my 2 or 3 and we are cyber-touching and agreeing. He’s going down.

              • http://bestillSophia.blogspot.com Sophia

                I want so bad to dislike Neyo. The voice, the lips, the swagger that he thinks he has but so does not….I could go on and on. But darn if the music doesn’t keep me tapping my fingers on the desk at at work. What the hell, its like Satan invading my soul, enjoying his music…..but alas I can’t resist some of those tunes. I call it the dancer in me….

          • shay-d-lady

            I like Ne-yo…I still bumps “so sick” and “say it” is one of my bed rockin favorites….

            • 8th Wonder

              “Say it” AND “Mirror”

              *flashbacks*

              Umph..sweet minty Jesus.

              • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com Deviant

                “sweet minty Jesus”

                Now this is funny.

              • http://bestillSophia.blogspot.com Sophia

                “sweet minty Jesus”

                I’m so jacking this one and shouting it out in the height of worship in church tomorrow, lol

            • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

              “Mirror” was my guiltiest most sinful most ri-gotdamn-diculous…. okay, I’m done *exhales*

            • Gem of the Ocean

              i like ne-yo’s songs he writes for other singers more than his own. but he does have some jams i’ll rock to

            • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

              i like Neyo too…

              “Do you” and “Sexy Love” are my sh**.

            • Nicki Sunshine

              I love Ne-Yo… All of his cds are good… love the song, “so you can cry…” have been playing it CONSTANTLY!

              • 8th Wonder

                I’m a huge fan as well. His new CD is great. I love “Fade Into The Background”

      • shay

        “And let’s not forget all those beggin’ a$$ songs he wrote for everybody else!! Wooohooo! We need another Babyface out here nowadays.”

        what used to kill me is how he put himself in the background vocals of EVERY SINGLE SONG he wrote, for himself, or otherwise… i would know his songs without reading the liner notes… Kenneth Edmonds is the KANG tho…. i cant EVEN front

    • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

      I’m gonna have to agree with PJ *gasp* that the first 6 songs on “Diary of a Mad Band” were just the HOTNESS….

      I’m having flashbacks to the junior year of HS college tour…

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        thank you for agreeance.

        Jerry, let the record refleck that i’m always right.

        • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

          bask in it homie…. it ain’t happenin’ again.

          • 8th Wonder

            “bask in it homie…. it ain’t happenin’ again.”

            That’s what she said…to Champ.

            • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

              BA-ZING!

              • 8th Wonder

                *chuckles*

            • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747670340&ref=name PBG

              Shazaam! Gotcha, Mister Champs!

              • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Naturally Alise

                GI, Shazaam, Dino!

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              champ deez

              • 8th Wonder

                Stop pouting. I got a hug for ya, come here.

  • http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com Naturally Alise

    -Most begging-est crooners is LSG, collectively and individually.
    Levert*, Sweat, Gill, or as I shall call them the “Begging fo’ a$$ Trifecta”

    -The best Jodeci song for me is “Feenin'” and funny that it was foreshadowing the cracktivity that has ensued with the Hailey clan.

    *RIP Gerald

    • shay-d-lady

      -Most begging-est crooners is LSG, collectively and individually.
      Levert*, Sweat, Gill, or as I shall call them the “Begging fo’ a$$ Trifecta”

      LMAO….Now that was funny

      • miss t-lee

        This is great.

  • Lolita

    Props to Alise, I wanted to be the first; FEENIN is the best Jodeci song hands down. Enough said.

    It’s too late (early?) for me to get intellectual about beggin’ r&b singers. I’ll have to think about it.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “It’s too late (early?) for me to get intellectual about beggin’ r&b singers.”

      it’s never too early to get intellectual. unless, of course, you’re an idiot.

      • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com Deviant

        *sniggle*