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The Scariest Thing About Chris Dorner? Our (Black People’s) Reaction To Him


Between her hundreds of pairs of shoes, closets full of clothes, and dressers full of jewelry, to call my mom a fashionista would be an understatement. I’ve teased her about this before—she’s like one White House Black Market bangle away from full-blown Hoarder—but it’s one of the things about her I’ve always appreciated. It’s kinda cool having a mom who’s fly.

Although her illness has made it difficult for her to put the same effort into her appearance, she still relishes the rare opportunities she has to get dressed up. Now, these opportunities usually occur when she’s going to the doctor’s office.

She had one of these opportunities last week, and while speaking to her over the weekend about how her tests went, she brought up something that bothered her a little.

“One of the nurses said something about how dressed up I always am when I come in.”

“Oh? Well you do always look nice. What’s the problem?”

“I don’t know. It just rubbed me the wrong way. Sometimes, when White women make those types of statements, they say it with a tone where it feels like they’re just surprised that a Black woman would have nice clothes.”

That the nurse’s statement had a racial undertone is possible. But, as I joked with her, it’s more than likely that my mom was just experiencing a bout of Nigga Neurosis-–my definition for the feeling many of us have when something out of the ordinary (good or bad) happens to us, and we’re not sure whether it only happened because we’re Black.

This (the “Nigga Neurosis”) is one of the more unfortunate byproducts of a lifetime of dealing with America’s neurotic relationship with race. It’s something so ingrained in many of us that we often don’t realize when we’re doing it, and the perpetual mental gymnastics involved in distinguishing between real race-related behavior and perceived can f*ck with a person’s sense of reality.

I was reminded of this yesterday while following the Chris Dorner news and some of our (Black people’s) reactions to it. Not so much the advanced form of Nigga Neurosis displayed by those actually rooting for him, but how messed up things have to be for this to even be possible.

This and other situations like it manages to be both an indictment on America and us at the same time, proving that our experience with race and (real or perceived) racial injustice in this country has left some of us so cynical, so antagonistic, so angry at anything having to to with the “establishment”—police, the government, politics, rich people, etc—that we’ll support any type of comeuppance, regardless of how much evil had to happen for it to occur. This is f*cking scary.

And yes, if the things he’s been accused of are true—and I have no reason to believe that they’re not—Chris Dorner is an evil man. He’s not a hero and he won’t be a martyr. He’s not even a Django. He’s a murderer who killed people in cold blood, a man who might have had a real opportunity to expose the LAPD’s corruption, but instead chose to act on his own selfish need for some type of retribution. At best he’s a movie-of-the-week, a Dateline special, a new Wiki page, a line in a Jadakiss verse. He’s no different than Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, and all the other men who targeted and killed innocent people to avenge some “injustice,” and I will shed no tears when he’s captured and/or killed.

But who Dorner is and what he may have done doesn’t matter. At least to those of us who are rooting for him, it doesn’t. As along as he is Black and getting back at something “White,” it’s a cause worth supporting, regardless of any insignificant collateral damage —like, you know, the murder of a man who could have very easily been your brother, cousin, or boyfriend.

Should America take the blame for this? For making some of us so filled with antipathy and antagonism that it has completely skewed both our sense of right and wrong and our perception of reality? Or, are we just using the nigga neurosis as an convenient excuse to “get back,” to finally unleash our inner Dorners or live vicariously through him as he kills all the White people he can before getting caught?

I don’t know the answers to any of these questions. But, I do know that while reading some of the pro-Dormer tweets, comments, and Facebook statuses yesterday, I couldn’t help but think of the first thing Sgt. Dignam (Mark Wahlberg) asks Billy Costigan (Leonardo DiCaprio) in The Departed.

“So…how f*cked up are you?”

—Damon Young (aka “The Champ”)

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  • I admit, I’ve followed the side stories (the Latinas’ truck being shot up, the wrong guy being chased) than the main story, and I turned off CNN during the standoff. What scared me was this – Dorner is the first person hunted by drones on US soil, and was burned alive on live TV. The LAPD is proving Dorner’s points about incompetence

    • Val

      And LAPD offered them a new truck. That’s it, a new truck. WTF. How tone deaf do you have to be to make that offer after they were almost murdered by LAPD.

    • nillalatte

      Umm… the Feds been using all sorts of weapons and surveillance on American citizens for a long time. Illegally of course. As for being burned alive on TV – Waco, TX. Need I say more?

      • Val

        And it happened in Philadelphia too. It was in the 80’s I think. There was an organization called MOVE. The police actually dropped a firebomb on their house and burned down an entire block of homes.

        • Glo

          I remember watching a documentary that included that story. I was SHOCKED.

        • f3ral anarchy

          That was the AFRICA movement. It was sad soooo so sad.

    • “Dorner is the first person hunted by drones on US soil”

      Yeah. There’s no one to “root” for in any of this

    • Janel4nelly

      Im living this story bcuz I stay in san bernardino. The national media isn’t telling the story the way they should …it hs bee proven that the LAPD lied & covered up what they did to Dorner refuse to acknowledge or even apologize for it..all of this could have been avoided but the LAPD in typical fashion will lie to the expense of others to hide truths…im not say what Dorner did was right but a sane man just doesn’t decide 2 snap like this over night…the national news needs to cover what the local news has uncovered about thw whole situation

    • In Philly

      On May 13, 1985 “At approximately 5:25 pm, a Pennsylvania state police helicopter hovers sixty feet over 6221 Osage Avenue. Harnessed securely to the inside of the chopper’s cabin, Lieutenant Frank Powell, commander of the Philadelphia Bomb Disposal Unit, the ’bomb squad’, leans outside and hurls a green canvas bag towards the roof below. Extending from the bag is a lit 45-second fuse attached to a bomb. As the bag hurtles downwards, the helicopter rears quickly up.
      Inside the house are thirteen MOVE people, seven adults, six children. On impact, the bomb throws off a fierce wave of heat of 7,200 degrees Fahrenheit, melting tar roof materials into flammable liquid and turning wooden debris into flying kindle. The whole of MOVE’s roof convulses, the entire area shakes. Glass windows half a block away completely shatter.
      White puffs of smoke shortly rise from MOVE’s roof, followed a few minutes later by black plumes of smoke and flames. In a while the flaming front bunker on the roof collapses into the second floor of the house, and the fire soon begins its race down the evacuated sixteen other rowhomes on the same side of Osage as 6221. So intense is the radiant heat that houses on the other side of Osage, about thirty feet away, and the ones on the south side of Pine Street, about twenty feet away, also burst into flames. The fire, initially allowed to burn, is not declared under control until midnight.
      Of the thirteen people who were inside 6221 Osage, eleven are dead, six adults, five children. Mangled, burned, carried away in zippered nylon bags – mostly in pieces. Only 30-year-old Ramona Africa and 13-year-old Birdie Africa manage to survive. As for the once attractive and stable neighborhood, both sides of Osage Avenue, the south side of Pine Street, and a section of 62nd Street are destroyed. The only things left are the smouldering brick walls, standing in rows like giant grave markers. Altogether, sixty-one rowhomes have been totally destroyed or gutted. 250 people are without homes.” Margot Harry, Attention MOVE! This is America! Race and Class 28:5 (1987)

  • Tes

    Not very f*cked up at all; a murderer is a murderer of any race and gets none of my support. Unless your own life is directly threatened by someone else, I don’t think killing in cold blood is ever an answer to anything. The value of human lives is depreciating more and more each day by the people who chose to kill and the establishments who chose to glorify the killer over the killed.

    In any case, I just want this guy caught and off the streets; seems to me LAPD is doing more harm to the citizens than good by searching for him, and that nobody in any sort of uniform, relationship, store, check point, street corner or car is safe until he’s been caught.

    • foodforthought

      “If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” – Malcolm X

      Also – http://www.eurweb.com/2013/02/ex-la-cop-brian-bentley-on-dorner-manifesto-not-only-do-i-believe-it-but-i-lived-it/

      Also – http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/a-second-lapd-officer-steps-forward-with-his-own-manifesto-2562344.html

      do you know for a fact that he murdered those first two people?

      was he being hunted by the LAPD for information he had yet to bring forward?

      how legit is that manifesto?

      these are a couple questions we should ask before believing anything heard on the news.

      If they framed him once, they could do it again.

      • WIP

        From the moment I first heard about this, The Fugitive came to mind. I know it’s a different story, but it sounded like a movie plot. Even his possible death sounds like the end to Bourne 5. All of it just sounds wrong.

        • Em.

          It seems so unreal.

      • “do you know for a fact that he murdered those first two people?”

        let’s assume he did. does your opinion change?

        • Winning Yve

          I can’t imagine how the answer to that question is really relevant. The issue is, we know nothing. A document was posted on Facebook of all places and that is being accepted as hard facts and is linking him to several murders or attempted murders. He’s being hunted with a ransom and authorities are acting silly by shooting up old ladies.

          It’s been brought up before that the movie theater killer is still alive and awaiting trial. People have been gunned down in cold blood before and yet the accused were allowed to be brought to trial. The coverage of the story has been sketchy at best. The fact is, we don’t really know much and the coverage has been incredibly slanted. Historically it has not been safe to give “law enforcement” the benefit of the doubt.

          • esa

            i agree. the American media and government are not valid sources of information, in my eyes. they promulgate lies while presenting themselves as indisputable sources of fact. anything put out by mainstream sources should be scrutinized more closely and taken with a very large grain of salt.

          • “I can’t imagine how the answer to that question is really relevant.”

            the fact that you don’t think whether he killed two people who had nothing to do with this is relevant proves my point.

            and if dorner wanted to get arrested and go to trial, that would have happened. nothing about anything he’s done says “guy who is going to allow himself to get taken alive”

            • Winning Yve

              I guess I am looking at this from a different angle. If in fact he has committed these crimes, then yes he is deserving of punishment.

              Perhaps he is not willing to be taken alive but I have a hard time believing burning him alive was the solution. I am not assuming the “reports” from mainstream media and the lapd are facts.

              I felt disgusted by the actions of both Dorner allegedly killing that couple and the LAPD after they shot up two ladies sitting right in front of a former chemistry teacher’s house (i live in la and went to school near torrance) There are no heroes in the story, only villains. Even so there are two sides to this coin and a facebook manifesto just isn’t enough to absolve his right to trial and letting bullets fly on random passers by in an attempt to gun this one man down. More violent criminals, such a the movie theater killer are currently awaiting their day in court.

              • “More violent criminals, such a the movie theater killer are currently awaiting their day in court.”

                this is true. and, there are a ton of killers—black and white—who killed people and made it known you weren’t going to catch them alive. dorner happens to be one of the latter

    • Eps

      @Tes I am so with you on this. Maybe I am a sucker pacifist (I did go to Quaker high school). I just think the murdering is wrong. I believe one can fight police brutality without replicating the injustice of the police. Two wrongs do not make it right.

  • Cheech

    Those #TeamDorner tweets are kind of creepy and how some of the white ppl on twitter were connecting him to Obama… I really worry about the mindset of the people I live by based on how people act online

  • Nikki

    I was definitely bothered by the “Nigga Neurosis!” Once he started killing people he ruined whatever chance he had of having people hear about his grievances. There were other options that could have brought attention to his issues that didn’t require murder. IT IS NOT OKAY THAT HE KILLED PEOPLE! It is vigilante justice and vengeful for someone that seemed to be bothered by the injustices committed by the LAPD against others. It makes no sense to have gone down this path. He is not a martyr and not someone to be celebrated by Blacks. We can all understand his frustration with racial inequity and we all get frustrated when we have to deal with it but violently reacting and taking lives in its name is wrong. Period. The fact that some of us can’t see this is astounding. At the end of the day the policies and practices by people in position of authority that have been used to oppress Blacks will continue on and this guy is just the News Story of the Week.

    • IcePrincess3

      Right! Reminds me of disgruntled (white) guy who shot up the Penske truck building cuz they fired him. I just don’t kno what’s wrong wit ppl smdh :-(

    • It is vigilante justice

      it’s not even vigilante justice. vigilantes take justice into their own hands. he stalked and murder a couple who had nothing to do with this

    • Caballeroso

      By no means is it acceptable that innocent people have lost their lives through no fault of their own, but as far as his chances of having people hear his grievances, I sincerely doubt any of us would be discussing possible corruption within the LAPD right now were it not for his actions. Not saying his means are justifiable, but I understand. Team NiggaNeurosis!

    • Angel Baby

      People being okay with this kind of makes me feel bad, and reminds me of how so many people were cheering when Bin Laden was killed. I understand wanting justice and our enemies captured and held accountable for their actions…. but being so happy and care-free about evil makes me uncomforatble!!!

      • Angel Baby

        I also want to add that this also reminds me of the movie “Law Abiding Citizen”, and any debate regarding MLK vs Malcom X tactics!

        • Angel Baby

          & this is what my friend has to say who honeslty was more into this story than I was (and she’s not Black she’s Peruvian…not that it even matters!). She’s also been volunteering her weekends to help find Sierra Lamar, a girl that’s been missing for 1 year next month:

          “I was very surprised that I haven’t seen anything on FaceBook about the whole Dorner thing. So, I thought I’d ask you two. I’m all down for going after a murderer. Right or wrong is up to the courts to decide (at least that’s what we’re told is supposed to happen). But what bothers me about this is how the PD agenicies have responded. 100 officers went out on day one, helicopters, media coverage, roads were closed, cars checked, etc. When does that happen for a kidnapping? When does that happen when a family is searching for a loved one. It doesn’t. The families are supposed to keep hope alive. It’s not fair. I had hoped this guy got away b/c I hated seeing how they all came together for one man b/c he killed a cop versus killing period. My two cents. Oh and letting him burn to death was just evil!”

  • Machinko

    if, as you stated above, America is to blame for the “Nigga Neurosis” then it stands to reason that even if Dorner’s supporters are suffering from it, America is still responsible for the monsters it has made.

    • nillalatte

      “America is still responsible for the monsters it has made.”

      The sad part of this statement, as I was reading Champs post, is you can put this in so many contexts and this is how in many communities, particularly abroad, America is viewed.

    • “America is still responsible for the monsters it has made.”

      We (Americans) are “America,” though, and you could argue that we’re all conspirators to the same crime.

      • esa

        the cycle of violence is complete when the victim practices self harm. then the pathology is so deep that it becomes the ouroburo (snake eating its tail). complicity is problematic because rarely are we willing to stop the cycle within ourselves.

        • MsMooreinDC


    • au napptural

      Thank you! I don’t know if Dorner killed those two civilians or didn’t. But he surely killed those cops and I feel like the LAPD and America in general was reaping what they sowed. They are the ones who trained Dorner to kill, the LAPD and the Navy. They were more than happy for him to kill innocent people on their behalf. Then they turned on him and didn’t expect retribution…that was dumb. I feel like that scene in The Dark Knight- “You think that your client, one of the wealthiest, most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands; and your plan, is to blackmail this person?” They thought they were just going to screw a Navy Seal, ex-cop, expert marksman? That turned out great. Don’t these people watch movies?

      But all jokes aside, I believe wholeheartedly Dorner was fired to cover up the LAPD’s sh!t. How else do you explain an inter-country manhunt, complete benching of due process, shooting of random people, and a 1.4 million dollar reward for a man who was SUSPECTED of killing two people? And the whole narrative of the murders was sketchy. He didn’t leave a note at crime scene. So day one, pre-manifesto (which we can’t be sure is legit), he’s the only suspect? He wasn’t even involved in these people’s lives, he was only the victim’s father’s client. So the police didn’t investigate the avenue of robbery, drugs, gangs, any other suspect other than a man so periphrally attached to these victims.

      Bottom line, if he killed the two civilians, shame on him. I don’t support it. But the LAPD would’ve never gotten the scrutiny it’s getting if he had gone the legal routes. Hardly anybody knows the whistleblowers who don’t die some gory death or get in massive trouble. That’s often what it takes to get people to pay attention. And I do sympathize b/c people don’t realize the unfettered power of the police to f-up your life. I personally know at least two INNOCENT people who were killed by the police: one was hit by a drunk cop on her way to work and the other was shot point-blank several times after being hog-tied. It was a routine traffic stop. Both sets of cops got paid leave and then no punishment. I think Dorner knew better than the public what he was facing trying to be honest about the LAPD, and that’s why he was willing to do illegal sh!t. He was fighting fire with fire.

      • “But all jokes aside, I believe wholeheartedly Dorner was fired to cover up the LAPD’s sh!t.”

        this doesn’t make any sense, though. i mean, if someone has some dirt on you, the last thing you want to do is fire them.

        • Yes you do fire them when you know they can’t be taken seriously.

          • Kaname

            This! The person firing you is counting on you being a non believable source; that you are only making waves because you have a case of sour grapes. This is why whistleblowers are *always* out of a job as soon as they tell the high ups and the media that something is rotten in Denmark.

  • Fives

    I just want to say it’s not just Black people who are rooting for him. I know many Whites and Latinos who are too. Everyone just seems tired with being bullied.

    • The Other Jerome

      Cosign. My Facebook and Twitter is filled with Asians, Whites and Latino’s who want the LAPD investigated.

      • LMNOP

        its completely possible to want the LAPD investigated AND be against murder though.

        • IcePrincess3

          @lmnop Your comment is so perfect in its simplicity. I want to marry it!

    • There were all races of people who was rioting after Rodney King, it’s not even race, it’s man vs system, the thing is the system is always two steps ahead, will we ever catch up?

      • Tx10inch

        No. Because the system is set up by the elite to keep us distracted, slowly strip us of all our rights, and depopulate society down to controllable numbers.

        • esa

          (un)fortunately, depending on where you stand, the system will collapse in on itself. perhaps the question is, do we have the power to change the progression of things, either on a micro or macro level ?

    • The Guy Formerly Know As Hmmmm

      “I just want to say it’s not just Black people who are rooting for him. I know many Whites and Latinos who are too. Everyone just seems tired with being bullied.”

      You hit it the bullseye….especially with that last line.

    • “I just want to say it’s not just Black people who are rooting for him. I know many Whites and Latinos who are too. ”

      this is true. but, for many of us (black people) who are rooting for him, there’s no doubt there’s a bit of racial solidarity there. if this was a white guy doing the same thing, i doubt you’d see so many black people doing the #teamdorner thing

      • Caballeroso

        In your given scenario, I agree, you would not see so many black people cheering for him; however, we should not underestimate the power of being the underdog. Many of us cheer for the underdog in whatever situation there is.

        • i doubt a white ex-cop who started a rampage by killing a black couple would be considered an underdog by us, or anyone sane

  • AfroPetite

    Is what Dorner doing wrong? Definitely. Is he a hero? I’m sure plenty of people think so. I’d like to think of him as a tragic hero. He endured some ish as an officer in the LAPD (difficult journey). He was subsequently fired from his newfound “home” after trying to shed light on injustices within the department (exile). He returns “home” (nostos) after having a moment of clarity in which he reasons that the only way to clear his name, is to uncover the ish LAPD has been sweeping under the rug (kleos) by slaughtering those who have “wronged” him and other minorities (major flaw).

    DISCLAIMER: In no way do I support what he’s done, just making an observation on heroes and the battles some people choose to engage in.

    • this just brought me back to 10th grade English class

    • good points. at the same time, you could make the same argument for Hilter and pretty much any other person in history who’s done evil

      • AfroPetite

        Agreed. Perspective is the epitome of a double edged sword.

  • Val

    And, the flip side of “ni*ga Neurosis” is those White people that have sent money to Trayvon Martin’s murderer Zimmerman. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

    I think Black people are right about perceived slights due to race at least half the time. And the times when we’re wrong, it pays to remain cynical in this country if your Black. History tells me so.

    Regarding Dorner: Black people in LA have been put through hell by the LAPD for decades, with little or no relief. So a knee-jerk reaction supporting Dormer is understandable from that perspective.

    As long as there are classes of people who are abused by the systems that be you will always have those who cheer those who stand up against the machine.

    Whether someone is a hero or a villain is a matter of perspective.

    • AfroPetite

      Didn’t the officers from the Rodney King case come out as clean as the driven snow?

      I saw a documentary on the riots afterwards and it was so hard to watch people attack random white people and beat them silly :-( People were angry, people were hurt….hurt people hurt people.

      • Val

        Two officers went to jail on Federal charges after they were cleared of local charges. They were sentenced to 2 1/2 years each. The other two were found not guilty.

        But, I think there were about a dozen officers at the scene when King was beaten.

      • nillalatte

        I’m feeling like a history major/teacher tonight. Yup, 3 of the 4 were acquitted of all charges. The 4th was cleared of all but one – excessive use of force. However, then the Feds stepped in and went for civil rights violations. 2 were found guilty and went to jail.

        You know, most white folks, after seeing the video tape of King getting beat down, couldn’t believe that the cops were acquitted either. Video is powerful evidence. But, as we see still today, violence hasn’t solved a damn thing.

        • Val

          It would be hard to see that video and not think the cops were guilty, no matter who you are. And that’s why there were riots. People figured if King couldn’t get justice even with all of that evidence then no one could.

          • Beautifullyhuman

            I remember those riots like it was yesterday. I saw somebody I knew on the local news stealing from the grocery store. Lol

        • AfroPetite

          What’s truly scary is that video evidence can magically become meaningless depending on what side of the color spectrum you fall on. How fcked up is our system when video evidence isn’t even enough to warrant the justice of another human.

          • nillalatte

            I wish I could co-sign this, but I just can’t. The court system is fcked up girl. That is only one case where the public saw it through their own eyes. There are thousands of cases like this.

            But, now let’s stop and think about the white boys in TX that ran over that 40yr old gentleman doing nothing but walking on the side walk (names escape me). Video evidence convicted that white boy- as well it should have.

            To paint it black and white whether video evidence counts just ain’t so. There are just too many factors in the court system to consider on how that gets played out.

            • AfroPetite

              History also tells me that an overwhelming number (not all…but quite a few) of cases lean heavily towards the majority when minorities are involved.

              I acknowledge the exceptions to every rule regardless however.

            • Caballeroso

              There was video evidence in the James Byrd dragging case? I didn’t know.

              • nillalatte

                Not James Byrd. Another incident.

    • Beautifullyhuman

      “Regarding Dorner: Black people in LA have been put through hell by the LAPD for decades, with little or no relief. ”

      Real sh*t, The LAPD is some motherf*cking terrorist!! Undeniably, the are the largest gang in LA. Folks ain’t knowing. Real talk.

      And this is coming from a square.

      • Beautifullyhuman


      • nillalatte

        *waves @ beautifullyhuman* w/b

        • Beautifullyhuman

          Hey girl!! *waves to the VSB fam bam*


          • nillalatte

            Breezy and I were missing you the other day. She made homemade brownies. The ‘good’ kind. ;) LOL

            • Beautifullyhuman

              I missed out on brownies?!?
              Sheesh…eff this new job. Lol

              • Val

                Cookies too.

                • Beautifullyhuman

                  Damn damn damn…

                  • mena

                    Soft batch chocolate chip at that. Val ate most of them.

                  • mena

                    Soft batch chocolate chip at that. Val ate most of them.

                    • Breezy

                      *e-hugs Beautifullyhuman, Nilla, Val, Mena*

                      I will be by on Friday to open the e-bakery! :)

                    • Kema

                      Can you add ginger bread cookies?

                      Thanks much Breezy!

                    • Val

                      Hiya, Breezy!

          • Malik


      • Val

        Yeah, I saw a documentary about how the LAPD has been doing this crap since the Great Migration of Black people to LA from the South back in the 30’s and 40’s. So it’s been going on forever.

        • Val

          Please free me. Thanks so much. :-)

        • Beautifullyhuman

          The LAPigD sucks! I hate having that kind of animus towards something that general, but the LAPD needs to do better. Much better. They’re supposed to protect those from violence, not incite mayhem for the hell of it. I know so many people with effed up LAPD stories.

          A cop pulled over my ex and the first question out of his mouth was whether my ex was on probation or parole. Mind you he had never been to jail a day in his life. Smh.

          • Val

            I bet there are literally millions of stories like that about the LAPD.

        • Latonya

          What’s the difference in the LAPD and any other PD in United States?

    • Charcoal Burnt Brother Lover

      Hiya Val!!

      • Val

        Hiya, AM!


    • PLEASE say all of this! This post is a sad attempt to assume intellectual superiority by separation. It’s a common VSB tactic. To even lump outrage over the Dorner story with being a “nigga”. It’s sickening, and Uncle Tom-ery at its finest.

      NO ONE is condoning Dorner’s actions. Your neurosis claim is thus invalid. But to dismiss the VERY REAL motives behind these actions, to see (fiery) evidence of his differential treatment, all the way to the very end? Come on.

      • “NO ONE is condoning Dorner’s actions”

        you’re not looking very hard. there are people doing this everywhere, including in the comments here.

        btw, uncle tomery? please expound

      • “This post is a sad attempt to assume intellectual superiority by separation. It’s a common VSB tactic.”

        I get why you feel that way. I don’t fully agree that that’s what this particular post is, but I do agree that it’s a common VSB tactic though. I still got love for this site and community though, nothing against Champ or Panama. Just felt the need to co-sign that observation.

        • “I get why you feel that way. I don’t fully agree that that’s what this particular post is, but I do agree that it’s a common VSB tactic though”

          i dont even know what “intellectual superiority by separation” means (I guess I’m not that smart)

          • I think intellectual superiority by separation is when you’re like, “dem ninjas over there blah blah blah and what they do is stoopid because i’m not of that frame of mind.” Then again… didn’t ya’ll write a post about how bougie black ninjas separate themselves conveniently or something? It was very meta… which, THAT is something ya’ll do often. Write meta posts. lol

    • “I think Black people are right about perceived slights due to race at least half the time. And the times when we’re wrong, it pays to remain cynical in this country if your Black. History tells me so.”

      so basically, we’re always right, even when we’re wrong?

      • Val

        I’m saying that it’s good for us to keep our guard up.

    • Nerd Girl

      Agreed! My parents – my 60 something year old parents – were rooting for Dorner. My dad who retired from law enforcement in the LA area called this a case of chickens coming home to roost. My mama was all “sorry for the loss of lives, but people of color have been dying at their hands for years.” To hear that from my parents was mind blowing.

      Do I agree with what Dorner did? No, I don’t. But I certainly understand why he did it. And his actions, wrong as they were, did prompt the LAPD to re-open his case…even as they swore his actions weren’t the reason they were doing so. Yeah, okay. o_O

    • mena

      “I think Black people are right about perceived slights due to race at least half the time. And the times when we’re wrong, it pays to remain cynical in this country if your Black. History tells me so.”

      Val, you are suggesting that the race card should be played FIRST and looking at your actions should be done last. This is ridiculous. Black people with this mentality make it hard for the rest of us who choose to not play the race card.

      • Val

        Your comment makes no sense. What race card? You sound like someone on Fox News with that race card crap.

        • mena

          You said that you feel that people are right about PERCEIVED slights due to race and even if they are wrong they have the right to remain cynical.

          So in other words, if i have been wronged by a white co worker, and i say that i was wronged b/c of my race then that is fair and i am probably right. And even if i am wrong, it was my right to make that claim b/c i am black and should remain cynical at all times. In other words, my race will always be a clutch.

          This is playing the race card Val. It’s fine if you want to tell me that i am a fox news pundit. Using those tactics are great to detract from the actual question at hand.

          • Val

            How is perceiving a slight due to race playing the race card?

            • mena

              If that is your first perception, instead of evaluating everything else, you are playing the race card. Your race didn’t allow for you to receive X, Y, and Z.

              Do you not agree with that?

              • Val

                Maybe you don’t understand the term, “Race Card”. Because it has nothing to do with this situation.

                My comment was in regards to Champ’s mother wondering if she was being slighted due to race.

                And my response was that as Black people in America it pays to always acknowledge that race may be a factor.

                If you don’t get this then I’ll know that you are either being obtuse or just want to argue for some reason other than the content of my comment.

                • mena

                  Playing the race card is to deliberately accuse someone of being a racist or using race to gain an advantage. In other words when a black person says that they are slighted b/c of their race (to gain an advantage in the situation by inadvertently calling the accused a racist) you are playing the race card. Something that, as you put it, you are fine with b/c “Black people are right about perceived slights due to race at least half the time. And the times when we’re wrong, it pays to remain cynical in this country if your Black.” So basically “we are always right, even when we are wrong.” -Champ

                  • Marshal

                    Really??? So, making laws that require Welfare recipients to take Drug Test ISN’T Racist??? These voting laws in 30+ states to “make it better”, knowing Damn Well that the MAJORITY of people who were and will continue to be disenfranchised WASN’T RACIST??? And yet what Val said was “playing the Race Card”????

                    GTFOHWTBS, you Need More People, like the population of China or India for that comment…. -_-

                    • mena

                      Marshall, do you even know what the term means and why do you feel the need to go so HAM on my comments? Seriously bruh, chill out.

                      I don’t even know where your comment came from. What Val said was playing the race card. Now, whether you want to see it or not through your tinted glasses, that’s on you. But telling a black person that if they feel slighted and they feel like it was due to race then it probably was and even if it wasn’t they had the right to assume it is faulty at best. Too many people are walking around now thinking they don’t have something they “deserve” b/c of the color of their skin or thinking that they have been wronged in some way simply b/c they are black. GTFOH.

  • Chase

    I must admit, though I don’t condone by any means the killing of innocent people, I understand Mr. Dorner’s anger and hostility. We as black men have no outlet for discussion, or understanding that will lead to action or change. Presently, I’m reading the New Jim Crow, Michelle Alexander, we have been herded, castrated, and ridiculed for 400 years. Just as an attack on a group warrants action (women, gays, pro-gun lobbyist), I guess he felt there was nothing left but action itself. Much as a father whose family that’s been evicted, or a mother whose child has a major illness; Christopher Dorner felt hopeless. He lost his way, never made it back to shore and no one saw it coming. I grieve and offer my condolences to the deaths, and injuries of those wounded protect all from this unstable individual, but in addition I grieve that society in all of it’s racial plagued ills pushed this man to a point of no return.

    • +1

    • The Guy Formerly Know As Hmmmm


    • “We as black men have no outlet for discussion, or understanding that will lead to action or change.”

      you’re on an outlet for discussion right now.

      also, none of dorners manifesto was race-related. he wasn’t a champion for racial justice or inequality. just a dude who got fired, was pissed at his ex-employer, and has the sympathy of some of us because that ex-employer is the LAPD

      • seriously? it wasn’t race-related?

        did we read the same document? i’m not on any side here but you’re reaching at this point.

        • you’re right. I should have left that line out.

          my point, though, was that he’s more of a disgruntled ex-employee than some champion for justice

          • Phoenixrisen212

            I don’t think he was disgruntled so much as he was wronged. He reported abuse happening in the LAPD and was fired for it. Plus when there was a hearing the officers that abused a mentally ill homeless man got off scott free while Dorner was fired even though there were witnesses. I don’t think what he did was correct but in his mind this was the only way to get people to pay attention and to get the media to pay attention. He was a whistle blower who was shot down so he made himself heard in other ways.

            • “I don’t think he was disgruntled so much as he was wronged. He reported abuse happening in the LAPD and was fired for it.”

              Exactly! He was punished to the fullest extent (fired) for doing the right thing! Not for doing something that wasn’t really that bad, but for doing the RIGHT thing. U can’t just dismiss that as a disgruntled ex-employee

      • “you’re on an outlet for discussion right now.”

        You left out the last and most important clause of his statement tho Champ

        “that will lead to action or change.”

        As well meaning as many of us are, this topic will be old news on here tomorrow, and old news to America within a month or two. Then it’s back to the status quo.

        • esa

          with all due respect, isnt conversation as The Act itself part of the status quo?

          i believe conversation is a means, not an ends. this energy serves a greater purpose when it is channeled into organization and action. yet, that doesn’t seem to happen and it confounds me time and again.

          despite the wealth of information, technology, and community that the Internet has created, an American leader has yet to emerge. i dont get it. it makes me kinda paranoid.

        • Caballeroso

          “As well meaning as many of us are, this topic will be old news on here tomorrow, and old news to America within a month or two.”

          Fuego, you give America too much credit. This will be forgotten by next week. There will be a quick blurp about it when it’s confirmed that the body is his, then the Dorner chapter will be officially closed in the mind of the American public and media.

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