Pop Culture, Race & Politics

The Post-Racial Tipping Point?

Confused? Me too. This is how I feel right now.

Last week we looked at Herman Cain’s place in the Black community…well, now CNN is claiming that Cain’s race isn’t as important to conservatives as it used to be. And it’s got me ponderin’.

See, I’m baffled. Damn near dumbfounded. I almost feel like I’m sitting in some alternate reality where Michael Jackson is Black and it doesn’t matter if you’re Black or white.

Why, you ask?

Well, for the first time in history, it seems like nobody in the Republican party realizes – or cares – that Herman Cain is…wait for it…

…wait for it…

…Black.

Now either the majority of Black people are indeed full of sh*t or something odd is going on. For years, Black folks have been shown, taught, and reminded that race was as important a factor in our lives as our education, money, or Tyler Perry. There’s a popular meme in the Black community that no matter who you are or how much money you have, you’re still just an educated n*gga with money.
Yet, somehow, Herman Cain seems to be in a plausible position to push forward and actually secure the Republican nomination for President. Is it possible that we could have two Black men competing for the nations’s highest position?

Like, for real?

Just to keep it gully, I think Justin Bieber has a better chance of making it into a BET cypher than two Black men running for President, against each other. I think that welllllll before we get to the formal nomination Herman Cain will say something else ridiculous (akin to his belief that people in that small Tennessee town were right to stop a mosque from being built on land owned by the Muslims building the mosque or electrocuting Mexicans) or somehow fall out of favor. Will it be solely because as we get closer, white people will somehow wake up and realize, “hold the phone, that’s a Black man up there”? I don’t know. And to be fair, I don’t actually think that everybody’s racist.

But I can’t lie, I’m surprised by the fact that for the first time in Black history, a man’s policies and principles seem to be touted by the party that currently and almost intentionally seems to have the least amount of color amongst their representation. I’ve seen coworkers sing his praises with happiness and tout his plans. And yes, Virginia, they’re white.

Hank Williams, Jr, in the now famous segment that got him kicked out of Monday Night Football lore, said that Herman Cain was the only GOP candidate that made any sense.

Hear ye, hear ye. Hold me.

Would his ascension to the Republican nomination be proof that we are truly living in a post-racial world and that the vast majority of us Black folks complaining about race need to shut up? No. I will forever feel like white people view certain members of our populace as exceptions. Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Herman Cain, etc. These aren’t regular Black people.

They’re different.

And they’re all politicians of sorts. Herman Cain’s biggest asset seems to be knowing how to say what white people want to hear. It’s a true skill, trust me.

Interesting enough, all of the racial rhetoric coming out of the GOP involving Cain seems to be coming from him. He seems to be touting a certain type of dissociated Blackness, which is why so many Black people don’t trust him. He’s speaking all of that “you can do it because I did it, by myself” non-sense that gets many people labeled modern day Uncle Toms. It’s an interesting sort of alienation politics that grants him good favor amongst white people (his entire base at this point) and pisses off nearly every Black person within a 1-mile radius. Even his alma mater (and mine), Morehouse College, isn’t exactly singing his praises right now. And amongst the HBCU circuit, this might be the first time nobody wants any part of this competition.

While there is some truth to what he’s saying – for a significant portion of us, our failures are largely our own doing – to ignore the centuries of institutionalized racism is probably as idiotic a mentality as one can have. We have plenty of proof via actual studies about people with ethnic names not getting called back for job interviews while “mainstream” named people (think Jim, John, Beth, Sarah) get the opportunity to interview for a job. And since jobs are a big part of the current political landscape, I think that very real study is telling.

Some of the excitement I’m reading about the Tea Party and GOP’s approval of Cain almost seems ironic. Their excitement is largely driven by proving to people that they aren’t racist. It’s like learning play jazz flute in order to tease the kid up the street who plays jazz flute. If they support a Black man, they cannot inherently be racist. Further, Herman Cain’s popularity proves that race isn’t a big deal.

Yeah, we’ll see when it comes time to pull that lever. Granted, we’re still a long way away from a formal nomination which is why I think that these conversations keep happening. Nobody really seems happy with the current crop of candidates anyway so Cain is something like a positive by not being so negative for the GOP. But I can’t lie, I might have to eat my hat if he actually were to get nominated by the Republican party.

The larger point still remains though: I’m completely surprised by Cain’s success at this point because he is, indeed, Black. It honestly seemed like so many people who disliked (and still do) President Obama did so for very little more than petty reasoning, which makes the race card seem appropriate. His entire presidency has seemed like he’s been running from behind because everybody wanted him to fail. You can’t ignore the big elephant in the room.

But somehow that doesn’t matter with Cain…yet. So maybe we are in a post-racial world. Or not.

Talk to me AFTER he gets nominated.

Does Cain’s popularity amongst the GOP indicate that we are in a post-racial America? Or are we watching an early form of the Bradley effect taking place? Or more sinister, do you Republicans are just trying to make a point??

What gives?

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  • http://www.testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

    I think Cain has a Wayne Brady kind of effect on people…otherwise I don’t see what the big deal is about him or why his race matters so much. o.O

    -.- I’m too young for this sh*t…

    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

      I think you might have called it. He’s non-threatening without trying to be non-threatening, if that makes any sense.

    • http://twitter.com/wavecapwillis Wave Cap Willis

      A Wayne Brady effect? I beg to differ. Herman Cain’s speaking style is so no-nonsense that it’s almost aggressive. The man has fire in his belly. Double Dragon. Wayne Brady? Not so much.

      And Cain speaks with a Black Southern inflection (which is quite distinct from a White Southern twang) that is unmistakable. His Black style of speaking goes hand-in-hand with his fiery speech. It’s like he’s using our powers against us!

      Sometimes I wonder if Cain is “Captain Pollution” to Obama’s “Captain Planet.” Did Barry Goldwater spawn him from the DNA of MLK and Malcolm X? Was he engineered in a lab by the GOP? Have we finally reached the predicted apocalyptic future when the Republicans would be come self-aware and select a Black candidate?

      Probably not. Why? Please do some simplistic math with me:

      Cain = Successful Executive + Christian Appeal

      Romney = Successful Executive + Successful Governor + Whiteness – FlipFlops

      Therefore…

      Romney = Cain + Successful Governor + Whiteness – Christian Appeal – FlipFlops

      End of proof

      This leaves us with three scenarios…
      If the average GOP voter values “Successful Governor + Whiteness” more than “Christian Appeal + Decisiveness”, Romney wins the nomination.

      If the average GOP voter values “Christian Appeal + Decisiveness” more than “Successful Governor + Whiteness”, Cain wins the nomination.

      There’s a third scenario where the average GOP voter values “Christian Appeal + Decisiveness” as much as “Successful Governor + Whiteness”, which would require a coin flip.

      It seems like the first scenario is the most likely to occur: in terms of importance to GOP voters, Romney’s political experience (withstanding Mass. Healthcare) should outweigh his Mormon background and his flip-flopping on issues.

      • Corey

        Profound good sir, profound….

      • randomeffery

        i know you’ve allocated for whiteness as a plus…but i still think you have to add blackness as a minus, and that that’s not redundant.

        having come of age in the golden years of the chappelle show, i use stereotypes–especially racial stereotypes as an analysis tool…

        i agree w/you that herman cain comes across as aggressive–aggressively ignorant, although with crimson-necked crowd, this passes as “no nonsense”.

        i think taking cain as a serious contender is a joke, although i actually would love to be wrong. the uncle ruckus-booker t. hybrid from stockbridge who sells the pizza is NOT going to get the republican nomination. am i saying that just b/c he’s black? why, yes. yes, i am.

        i think conservatives really do believe that Cain as a candidate would help them gain more black votes, and that some white repubs would vote for him, too. but people still believe the american president is “the leader of the free world” and i do not believe the same people who were all up in arms about Obama’s birth certificate want to see an ignorant black man from GA up in the white house.

        that being said, my opinion is also predicated upon continued tea party influence & occupy wall street…i see the “occupy wall street” movement catalyzing the tea party in opposition…if OWS continues to gain momentum & international support…that will push the Dems a little to the left…i assume it’s more likely that it would also push conservatives closer to the center, rather than father right…but i think the latter is a possibility.

      • http://athenasantics.blogspot.com AthenaC

        Mathematical proofs = yummy

    • IET

      I think the republicans do care. They see his race as an asset to winning a race against Obama plus he’s a “real conservative.” Think Micheal Steele as head of the RNC after Obama became president. It’s a reflex, and sometimes people aren’t aware they have racial biases.

  • http://twitter.com/naimawar Naima

    Herman Cain isn’t Black. He has re-vitiligo.

    On a serious note, I feel that Black Republicans are often supported by pale skins because they both believe that Black people are disenfranchised because they just don’t work hard enough. Ideology knows no color, so as long as Herman Cain is talking that talk then he will be supported by Republicans.

    • http://iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

      I, for one, don’t trust them new n*ggas over there

      • http://eazy.bandcamp.com Eazy

        Truth

      • ThatOneAKA

        And this is why McGruder needs to come back for a 4th season…

  • dc1913

    I don’t believe them, they need more people…

    Herman Cain is merely a pawn just like Sarah Palin was a pawn. The GOP thinks that minorities and women are idiots. With Palin, it was like ooooh dangle a woman at them for VP they won’t vote for Hilary Clinton. Now they’re like dangle the token blackie at us and we won’t vote for Obama… but what they don’t realize is… we actually vote on some basis of policy and basic intelligence GASP ’tis true.

    So no we are not post racial, whatever the hell that means. Once they realize that nobody is checkin for uncle Ruckus, they’ll drop that ninja faster than Alan Keys… who? right…

    • dc1913

      Alan Keyes*

      • Iamnotakata

        I totally agree I’ve listened to this Cain off and on and I’m just not buying it….He’s saying a whole lot of nothing as far as I’m concerned…and I’m still voting for President Obama in 2012 because he has really tried but those bunch of a**holes in the House and Senate won’t cut him a break..

        • LadyC

          I agree they won’t cut Pres Obama a break. I like that Pres Jimmy Carter came to his defense about the obvious skin color issue…

        • http://thatswhatgemsaid.wordpress.com Gem Jones

          I’m still voting for President Obama in 2012 because he has really tried but those bunch of a**holes in the House and Senate won’t cut him a break..

          the problem is more than voting for Obama, ppl need to ALSO be voting for their reps/senators who are supposed to be there to AID the POTUS in passing legislation. ppl think its only enough to vote in presidential elections when congressional elections is just as important.

          so we cant blame these “bunch of a**holes” in congress for not cutting him a break, we need to be blaming those who voted them in or didnt vote any one in at all.

    • DQ

      You hit the nail on the head. They vote based on image and assume everyone else does. That’s why as soon as Obama was elected they trotted out every token they had, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, etc…

      If you need any indicator of how the GOP will ultimately deal with Herman Cain you have only to look at Michael Steele. He was supposed to be an indicator of the post-racial Republican party too.

      • http://twitter.com/tylerg_thomas tgtaggie

        Please don’t put my state’s Governor (Nikki Haley) in the same sentence with The President. Had SC Gubernatorial election fell on 2008, I’m pretty sure she would have lost by a landslide. Plus South Carolina has a history of running weak democrats.

        I think Herman Cain (if he wins the nomination) will suffer the same fate as Alan Keyes vs. Barack Obama (circa 2004). Keys straight up gotten his a** whopped.

        • http://uphereoncloud9.wordpress.com Wu Young, Agent of M.E.

          Nikki also won here because her nearest GOP comp, then Lieutenant Gov Andre Bauer is a mess. The GOP hear hates Nikki with one guy calling her a “rag head” but she won because she’s not a Democrat. Honestly, I think some folks thinks she’s a Native American and not an Indian.

          • http://twitter.com/tylerg_thomas tgtaggie

            According to the news, ole Andre is planning to run for the new SC07 congressional district. Even though he doesn’t own any property or never lived in the district.

          • http://naturallydreaded.wordpress.com N.I.A.naturally

            Ahhh, good old SC politics. Can’t say I miss it. But I do love to hear my parents go in on all of the nonsense, both locally and in Columbia.

      • Carolinagirl27

        ” That’s why as soon as Obama was elected they trotted out every token they had, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, etc…”

        So true…I thought I was the only one that noticed…I think Michele Bacchman is a token too…kinda like a watered down Hilary Clinton

        • DQ

          She is Hillary Clinton minus the intelligence, reasoning, and gravitas

        • Iamnotakata

          Yea I would rate Bacchman closer to Sarah Stupid Palin..

    • Hawaii

      Awesome comment and I wholeheartedly agree.

    • randomeffery

      i agree

    • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      “Herman Cain is merely a pawn just like Sarah Palin was a pawn. ”

      Pretty much. The latter of which just happen to REALLY backfire to the point where even members of the Republican party was like, “Um, McCain… the HAYLE are you doing, yo?!”. Choosing her as a running-mate really had a huge impact on how easily Obama won.

      Though I think they both are similar in that they have ridiculous platforms, like Panama said, no one in the media really mentions Cain’s race. Whereas it was ALL about Palin’s femininity during the last elections. Maybe this is because we’re a little de-sensitized to Black men being in the frontrunning position of a political office seat, but then again… that de-sensitization doesn’t apply to Obama himself, so maybe not.

      While I agree Cain is being used as a pawn, they’re being a bit more subtle with it…

  • http://thatswhatgemsaid.wordpress.com Gem Jones

    just a few years ago, Obama’s race was constantly being brought up. ppl are only voting for him bcuz he’s black, not bcuz he’s qualified or the most suitable candidate. i mean, he had so little experience in Washington, how could he be a good choice?!??! Obama’s race was the only thing really attributed to his popularity.

    yet here Cain is, a large business exec, with ZERO legislative/governing experience, and all of a sudden folks act like he’s this great presidential candidate who just so happens to be black.

    *record scratch* (o_O) oh.

    i dont think this has anything to do with being in a post-racial America. it just simply means the GOP and their sheep are full of sh*t. and we all knew that anyway. so….

    carrying on….

    • DG

      Yep…pretty much

    • DQ

      I thought the exact same thing. Any sane person would.

    • http://twitter.com/tylerg_thomas tgtaggie

      +1. We all know the GOP is full of s*it. lol. The way this it going, this ninja will probably come in second in the delegates. And probably will end up as the running mate for Mittens McFloppy (Mitt Romney).

    • http://www.becauseimwrite.com muze

      basically.

    • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      *daps Gem Jones for this entire comment*

      With the former, those folks who were seriously saying that about Obama were on their stupidity swag, whereas now, those same folks think WE’RE stupid.

      Ya’ll ain’t slick. lol

  • CurlyTop

    Please explain what “post-racial” means to me. Yeah I could google it but that wouldn’t be fun. It sounds like race no longer matters and we are all seen as equal human (minus Drake) beings. wtdta?

    • http://www.testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

      Just because he’s Canadian, doesn’t mean he’s not human…

      • Iamnotakata

        I know I heart Drake…that’s all

        • http://www.testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          + 1

      • http://panamaenrique.wordpress.com Malik

        He’s clearly the missing link between man and beast. His SNL song was funny though.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg0DzHQrDXA

        • http://www.testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          I’ve always had a thing for the Tarzan types though… :)

          And I told you he was funny, not just funny lookin

          • Carolinagirl27

            I think Drake is kinda sexy….

          • chanelle

            lol when a man is funny its ok for him to be funny lookin (his interview on jimmy kimmel was very entertaining)

      • CurlyTop

        lmao! I like the Canadian’s gave us Blackberry and Caribana.

        • DQ

          Welll… 1 out of 2 ain’t bad. Viva Caribana.

      • RG

        He might be an illegal alien though.

  • xLadyTx

    I got to the Justin Bieber/BET Cypher mention & had to stop. Literally just read that story & it made me thank basedgod that Preemo put a stop to that, quick, fast, and in a hurry! Smh.

    **Ok, now back to your regular scheduled programming…**

    • http://www.testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

      The fact he didn’t even want to write his own rhymes? Floored me.

      • DQ

        The fact that I’ve never heard him rap EVER and yet he wanted to be a part of a cypha….

        …in ANY WAY SHAPE or FORM floors me. Even now.

        • http://www.testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          *one teardrop for hip-hop*

        • xLadyTx

          Exactly. Stick to effin singing. He did those lil 16 bars on Chris Brown’s (another dude that needs to sit the F down) latest mixtape, so now he thinks he’s gotten the official hip hop pass. Rap is already goin down the drain & this mess would’ve made it worse. DJ P even said he might’ve had a shot if he wrote his own rhymes, but that lil twit ratted himself out! Lol. Ugh, just irks me!

          #annoyed #mybadyall

          • DQ

            By a show of hands, how many of y’all would agree to be in a Cypha with Bieber even if he wrote his own rhyme? Anyone?

            Yeah I agree with you, he is a pop artist – he should focus on that.

    • CurlyTop

      Is he trying to cross over from pop (?) to rap or something?

      • http://www.testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        I think he’s trying to Joaquin Phoenix the world with his “rapping.”

        • IET

          I think hes a teeny bopper that has black friends and vibes with black culture.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        i think its just further proof that deep down…every young artist coming out nowadays wants to be a rapper.

        • xLadyTx

          I honestly feel its a re-branding strategy by his management team. They’re trying to have another bubblegum rapper to compete w/ the likes of Diggy Simmons, etc. But it ALSO proves that image is more important than actual talent these days.

          *sad sigh*

    • Carolinagirl27

      Beiber was trying to rap?…*dumbface*

      *in my valley girl voice*…”OmG! No Way”

    • http://eazy.bandcamp.com Eazy

      His rap alter-ego is “Shawty Mane”. Why? I could say more but I’ll hold my peace.

      • xLadyTx

        Shawty Mane??? o.O

        I want to believe ur kidding SO bad! Lol

    • http://twitter.com/itztrizz617 herbetteroption

      I thought that was a little unnecessary on Premo’s part to let that out there. But i guess you gotta protect the integrity of the BET Hip Hop Awards (which was swept by a song by an R&B singer)

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      I thought it was interesting that Preemo would let him get in the cypher anyway. Not that I’m against the tyke’s ability to spread his rap wings but after he, Kanye, and Raekwon almost gave the hiphop community a heart attack with “runaway love” (over the “wu tang clan ain’t nuthin’ to f*ck wit”” beat, I’d think that Bieber would be on a near permanent time-out.

  • http://www.shellysaysso.com ShellySaysSo

    You hit the nail on the head with noting he says exactly what white people want to hear. He represents an ideal, safe, negro. Most importantly, it is clear that he prides himself on being an individual and not a part of “the black community”. There is a lot less power in thinking as an individual rather than thinking about collective goals.

    • Mena

      I think a part of his point is that blacks aren’t individuals enough and for too long have voted as a collective for only the democratic party when a lot of blacks are way more socially conservative. He sees himself aligned more with republican values and isn’t afraid to vote that way.
      I feel that even though Obama identifies himself as black, he doesn’t try to cater to the black community simply bc he is black. You are the president for everyone, not just the people that look like you.
      I guess my question is, if you really are a part of the republican party, what’s wrong with priding yourself on having other viewpoints that don’t align with what the majority of your racial group feels? Or is it the pride in the disassociation that people seem to have a problem with?

      • http://twitter.com/tylerg_thomas tgtaggie

        +1. Herman Cain really ain’t much different than a lot of older black people we know. Most of them are closet republicans (really conservative views) that happen to vote democrat.

        • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

          CHURCH!

        • http://twitter.com/#!/NewYork2VA NY2VA

          THIS IS THE TRUTH!!!! they are simply conditioned to vote democrat but they are conservative as HELL!!!

          • http://twitter.com/itztrizz617 herbetteroption

            I think alot of black people are more republican than they think, but the homie Pres Clinton was a democrat so they rocks with the Democrats

            • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

              And so many of the Dems seem to worship Clinton the way Reps worship Reagan.

        • http://panamaenrique.wordpress.com Malik

          Your social views can be as conservative as you want, but when the economic policies do everything in their power to disenfranchise you, you are going to be willing to not give two f*cks on gays getting married in order to have a place to live. It doesn’t help that Republicans utterly despise black people.

          • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

            Then again, a lot of those same economic policies disenfranchise working-class Whites, but they give a f*ck about gays getting married. And don’t knock the so-con hustle. Older Blacks in states like Ohio and Michigan are what got Dubya re-elected. It’s just that no one wants to admit that now.

            • Mena

              Thank you Todd.

          • Mena

            Sorry to tell you but you are speaking about the majority of the Republican base – an economically disenfranchised group who only vote due to social issues. Also, saying that the republican party is full of racists is like saying that the democratic party loves minorities. It aint all true.

            • http://twitter.com/tylerg_thomas tgtaggie

              And a lot of older southern black Evangelical Christians only vote on social issues. I’m from SC and I see it every election cycle. People voting against their best interests.

              • Mena

                People who aren’t from the south tend to think that everyone votes for their best interests. I have seen the poorest of white people vote republican all day every day simply because of social policy. The whole smart voter thing is, for the majority, an extreme myth. Republicans have mastered the art of appealing to people’s emotions and getting a major disenfranchised group to vote for them. If dems want to win every election down south, stop touting numbers and graphs and figure out a way to get southerners ticked off at the group that is economically hurting them.

        • DQ

          Maybe I view the Republican ideology differently, but I don’t think most black people are under cover Republicans. It’s true that we have some conservative values, so does much of the Latino community, but I don’t think either group (based on their conservative characteristics) in ANY way embody the Republican ideology spectrum

          We do not believe in a minimalist approach to Federal Governement
          We do not believe in “Strict Constructionism” when it comes to the Constitution
          We absolutely believe in gov’t intervention
          We are not Champions of “States Rights”
          We believe that gov’t has a role in helping people thus we believe in…
          Affirmative Action
          Head Start
          Pell Grants
          Accessible and Affordable Health Care
          We support just about any program for the poor (cause more often than not it’s us)

          We support unions
          We support living wage
          We see inequity in the justice system
          We do not support racial profiling as a tool against illegal immigration
          We do not believe that the free market is inherently fair that tax cuts create jobs and that making the rich richer somehow helps the poor (Republicans believe in some Trickle Down – we do not)

          I mean I could go ON and ON. Yes we have some conservative values, but IMO we are NOTHING like Republicans and I think it’s dangerous to continue this false meme that our conservative values are essentially Republican but we just vote Democrat.

          • Mena

            First, I think that you are giving everyone too much credit on your points above. Ask any democrat or republican, black or white, on what makes them a dem and they couldn’t list half of the points that you listed. Older blacks are more socially conservative hands down and no one can say otherwise. Many people vote the way that they vote simply b/c of the R or D beside the person’s name. How many times have you gone to the polls and only known 2 people on the ballot but b/c they either had a R or D or even I, you voted straight down party lines?

            Second, my point wasn’t about whether or not blacks are more conservative, my point was simply that: I think a part of his point is that blacks aren’t individuals enough and for too long have voted as a collective for only the democratic party when a lot of blacks are way more socially conservative. In other words, people don’t look at another party’s views simply because we are all programed to vote one way.

            Third, i would really like for someone to answer my 2 questions since the write above spoke about being a part of the collective.

            • http://twitter.com/tylerg_thomas tgtaggie

              +1. I didn’t really expanded upon my comment earlier. You will be surprised at some the views when you talk to a few well off older blacks (college ed, rich and religious).

              That is why this country need a viable third party. B/C a lot of people (I would even include myself) are pretty much in the middle with their views.

            • DQ

              First, what is socially conservative changes with context. The same black people who were socially liberal in fighting for Civil Rights you would characterize as socially conservative for also being deeply religious. But there is nothing socially conservative about the CRM.

              Many people vote on core issues or ideas. We generally know who supports unions and we know who generally favors free market. We generally know who supports gun control, and who is aligned to the NRA. We generally know who is pro-life and who is pro-choice. If any of these issues (or others) are hot buttons for you – you are going to vote for the person which is best aligned to that position and generally those positions are well defined and well known because they are well advertised.

              As for your second point, it seems to be a counter point to something I didn’t actually say (blacks more conservative?) I don’t understand how one can construe that we aren’t sufficiently independent because we consistently choose between the lesser of the evils. How does one prove they are sufficiently independent? Should we occasionally vote for the party that champions none of our ideas and/or causes just because?

              • Mena

                “Maybe I view the Republican ideology differently, but I don’t think most black people are under cover Republicans. It’s true that we have some conservative values, so does much of the Latino community, but I don’t think either group (based on their conservative characteristics) in ANY way embody the Republican ideology spectrum” This is where i assumed that you were coming from with conservatism.

                “We generally know who supports gun control, and who is aligned to the NRA.” Saw an interesting article in the Atlantic a month ago about how the black panther party were pioneers for the NRA. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/8608/

                “I don’t understand how one can construe that we aren’t sufficiently independent because we consistently choose between the lesser of the evils.” Yet again, I was just explaining what I felt that Herman Cain was getting at. I was asking the question concerning the collective.

                You and I can both dissect each others points all day but you are missing what i was saying from the very beginning. I would say that we could agree to disagree but I don’t even know where the disagreement began.

    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

      I see where you’re coming from, but where does the collective end? Yeah, people should get together for politics, but where’s the line? Are you ninjas gonna tell me where to eat? Who to marry? What clothes I need to where? Remember, not everyone is alike, even if we do work together.

  • http://panamaenrique.wordpress.com Malik

    Liking ONE, or a couple, of black person doesn’t make someone not a racist. We all know the joke about counting your ethnic friends to prove how progressive you are. We are nowhere near a post-racial America. Herman Cain has just fallen into the position of the Good Boy. He will liked as long as he stays on the right side and is consistently saying terrible things about Black people en masse that white people generally rant about each in private and ‘in private’ (Read as: on the internet). I remember Colin Powell was favored among conservatives, until he said 1 thing they didn’t like and he no longer gets ANY co-sign from anyone on that party.

    • DQ

      ****Liking ONE, or a couple, of black person doesn’t make someone not a racist. ****
      ****I remember Colin Powell was favored among conservatives, until he said 1 thing they didn’t like and he no longer gets ANY co-sign from anyone on that party.****

      Exactly and Exactly

    • Mena

      In the 90s, I do believe that Powell could have won the republican nomination. This is something that we will never know. It’s sad that when he pushed for Obama, people felt like he only did so bc he was black. No matter the party or circumstance, race will always get brought up and be a factor for someone. Maybe not the majority, but a big enough minority to cause a stir.

      • Mena

        Please take my comment out of moderation.

    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

      I’m with you, but I’m broadly sympathetic to the Republicans on this charge. After all, there are a lot of liberal/progressive Whites that don’t really deal with Black people except on that “one Black friend” level, yet Black people assume that they’re down for the cause. Remember all those gay people chanting the N-word post Proposition 8 in Cali? They were all loyal Democrats.

    • http://www.wildcougarconfessions.com Wild Cougar

      Cosign. I find it fascinating and a little comical how white folks compulsively collect compliant Black folks to prove they are not racist. These people are like pets. They love them until they act human. And don’t you dare disagree or- white Jesus forbid- call them out on their racism. I’ve been in this position. They will turn on you faster than you can say Token. Name of the black kid on South Park. The fear of being called or thought of as racist is strong among the yts. Much stronger than the fear of actually being racist.

      • IET

        Sometimes I think of liberal caucasians of today like modern day Abraham Lincolns (who was a liberal conservative, thats why Obama likes him so much!) He wrote the Emancipation Proclamation and freed slaves, but only in the south! If there was a continuum for how down Caucasian liberals can be in this day and age it would be John brown, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist) on one side and Abraham lincoln on the other.

    • nyob

      Amen Malik, I was wondering when someone would notice that when Cain is on his “it’s your fault black people” rant the conservatives love him but when he tried to call Perry out for N**head-gate, they yanked his choke chain back quick!

      I don’t understand the term “post-racial”; just because you can sit at the lunch counter and dogs and fire hoses are not aimed at your azz doesn’t mean it’s time to break out the marshmallows and start singing Kumbaya. Instead of “post racial” there is a new racism: more subtle, more in denial (racism doesn’t exist) less overt and aggressively angry and more importantly more “your fault” (if you notice it, then something is wrong with you, black man or black woman).

      We will be post racial when unemployment, education and wealth acquisition are on a more equal footing; when government spends more money on education and less on the prison industrial complex. Also unfortunately, we don’t have the luxury of being able “to play”; we have got to be on point from day one (no drugs, no kids unless they can be afforded and there is a marriage, degree in a field where money can be made and the job can’t be shipped overseas).

  • http://www.blacktrimony.com Blaktrimony

    He won’t get the nomination, so his race doesn’t matter.

  • Curious Capital

    See you can write good Panama D. Jackson. Anywho, politics and pandering go hand in hand. Cain has successfully created an image and a message that resonate with the GOPers who don’t want to abandon the ideals of their party. That same ole tired story that you can pull yourself up by the bootstraps which disregard the power of wealth, connections, and privilege. Everyone is suffering and ironically Cain serves as a symbol. If he can make it, of course everyone can. I’m baffled, but I can’t pretend that he isn’t playing the he!! out of this game.

    • DQ

      Yeah Steele was playing the hell out of the game until he outlived his usefulness. They love Cain right now because he validates their world view and (they believe) inoculates them from accusations of bigotry.

      It’s like they think we forgot the entire 2008 Election Cycle. The GOP is still a Klan rally, they just don’t wear the sheets anymore.

      • Curious Capital

        As much as I’m not not a Republican, I won’t say all black repubs are puppets or the party as a whole goes in the racist bucket. I totally agree that they have a race problem and Cain is a good safe negro to advance their attempts at inclusion. Steele, I can’t even get started on that one.

        • DQ

          The ones who weren’t puppets and who weren’t racists were the moderates, and they have all but been purged. What’s left is purified ignorance.