DISCLAIMER: Most pictures are SFW. Except possibly the pic at 8 and 9. All others should be okay. Also, due to the SFWness, my picture pool was vastly limited. Thank you.
Self-reflection is a b*tch. Many of us find it hard to honestly assess who we really are. Some of us think that we’re the bees knees; others of us don’t think we’re worth any of the attention we get.
So what does this have to do with the price of pantyhose in Malaysia?
You ever know a chick who acted a little bit more assholish than their face seemingly allowed? You know what I mean, chicks who were busted but didn’t seem to realize it, or at least didn’t fully respect their inner-Gremlin. I’m talking about the women who ultimately end up pissing people off because they don’t stay in their lane.
Panama, what are you talking about?
Glad you asked.
Let’s say you’re a 3 on a 10 point scale, but you galavant around like you’re an 8.
*whistle blowing*
Violation.
That’s what I’m talking about. And luckily, I’m here to help out with this. Follow me:
PANAMA PRESENTS I CAN’T GET PAST YOUR FACE
If you’re between a 1-3 (I generally wouldn’t talk about you being as my mama said if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all) OR don’t look better than Cicely Tyson at age 80 in Miss Jane Pittman (at age 25), you should:
-Shut the f*ck up, be silent, and only speak when spoken too.
-Stop pretending to be important. You’re not.
-Take every sexual encounter as possibly your last and let the man do every nasty thing he can think of. It may be your only shot at procreation. Put a hole in his rubber.
4 OR Kimberly Elise (in most movies) you should:
-Be nice. You won’t get married if you’re not. Especially if you’re not famous.
-Stop pretending that you look good in anything. You don’t. Just read more, it’s your only chance to not always be the busted chick who’s just barely ugly. You can be the busted chick who’s barely ugly who knows a lot about The Amistad Revolt.
5 OR Elise Neal or Terri J. Vaughn, you should:
-Smile a lot and be nice to people. Otherwise people might not like you or will only respect you for your body. And if you’re Terri J. Vaughn, you don’t have a body, so they won’t respect you. If you’re Elise Neal, they’ll just put you in videos cuz you’re stacked. Other than that, you’ll just be some man’s jump-off.
6 OR Essence Atkins or Kelly Rowland:
-Much like the 5′s you should smile a lot but you also shouldn’t be talking reckless about other clearly more attractive women. You will be deemed a hater and you know what, you probably are. Stop it. God doesn’t like ugly. He’s only mildly interested in you.
7 OR Sanaa Lathan:
- At this point, you have some leeway to be kind of an a**hole. SOME. If you’re in this range make calculated risks. Most men will be okay with leaving you for a sarcastic, jacka*sish 8. And there are a lot of them out there. Be the cool, girl next door. Which is good – you’re close. Nobody wants to work hard or go too far for a 7.
8 OR Christina Milian or Gabrielle Union (who could easily be a 9 to me)
- These women (we’re getting to fewer and further between) have a lot of leeway to pretty much do and say what they want, though there’s only so much most people, men and women, will take from a woman who ain’t a dime. However, if you look on par with Gabrielle Union, I’ll probably deal with anything you throw at me, until a much finer woman shows me some attention. Survival of the fittest. That Darwin, what a genius.
9 OR Paula Patton or Beyonce Knowles:
You’re pretty free to be the true jacka*s that you want to be and 9 out of 10 men will not only deal with, find it cute. However, if you use your powers to be a manipulative person, most people will get over you easily. Remember, show me a beautiful woman, and I’ll show you a man who’s tired of f*cking her. Trust me, that’s true.
10 or Halle Berry:
Just don’t get fat and the world is your oyster. Mkay? Mkay. And be a sweetheart? You.are.golden.
In a nutshell, if you ain’t hot, don’t act like you’re hot. Believe me, EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE. Stop it.
P.S. I realize that this requires us to be more honest with ourselves than we really want to be, however, just because you can’t say it about yourself doesn’t mean somebody else won’t tell you. If you really aren’t sure, just ask.
Cuz I’ll tell you.
-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka TANGLE JIG P
Also, feel free to direct all disagreements about the women I’ve chosen and their ranking to our Complaints Department, here.
dang, sanaa lathan is a 7?!! i must be chopped liver! great to know that the higher rated chicks are light skinned!
@jana.love, i was wondering just how soon it was going to be before the “panama has better looking = lightskint” comments started showing up.
thanks for not letting me down!
and i go back and forth on sanaa. sometimes she’s hotter. sometimes shes unhotter. plus she takes some bad pics. i believe that if you cant take consistently good pics, you’re not as hot as you’re perceived to be.
panama has spoken.
@Panama Jackson,
lol anytime buddy. mind you, we’re all entitled to our own opinions, but i kept clicking and was like DAMN, no love for me, not even the brown sistas, though halle gets a pass….but she’s also mulatto soooooo.
that’s arright though, i’ll take my 5’11, amazon lookin, size 12 wearing butt out this post. not sure i could handle it all.
@jana.love, you know, part of the problem is that i was using pop culture references. i’m all about the darker sisters i just couldnt come up with any pop culture references quickly.
and um, gabrielle union isn’t brown?? what does she get considered?
@Panama Jackson,
nah gab def gets a pass, she’s brown.
i’m just messin witcha. lol.
@jana.love, damn race agitators.
@Panama Jackson,
Bria Myles, no?
Yesssssssssss…oh, yes.
@Monk,
**co-signing akshones exaggerated yes’s with equal exaggeration**
@jana.love, I was gonna say the same thing … only a 7!!!
Dat Chick
Um, I would like to know what you rate yourself Panama. You seem to have this down to a science. If the ladies of VSB have to layout some requirements for guys, just ask.
And Jana.love I feel ya on the Sanaa Lathan thing. It’s a sad day when she is considered just a 7. wow
@Dat Chick, Panama is sexxy. ratings are beneath him.
lol. joking. lay out some requirements and i’ll rate myself. no problemo.
i remember when the champ and i did our october madness fleshfest, sanaa lathan was always a sticking point. she’s very polarizing. some folks think she’s dime-status. others think she’s average ass jane from two blocks away.
its probably cuz she’s not a great actress.
zing!
@Panama Jackson, Sanaa, as I’ve been told, is attainable hotness. She’s a chick that, even though she’s an actress, the extra regular man might have a shot.
@Hostess,
agreed, not only that, but she seems to be the “least” done in by the industry. no ridiculous coloured weaves, no excessive makeup. seems like she looks just like that in real life. which is why i think she’s higher rated than some other ones.
could you imagine bey without that damn lace wig?
*shudders*
@jana.love,
“could you imagine bey without that damn lace wig?”
Yep. Seen some pics and she’s till prettier than most girls. Unlike a lot of chicks, her weave doesn’t make her cus she’s just pretty. Her face can carry her. She’s actually…well..pretty. *shrug*
Granted, for a lot of women, the weave and low-cute blouse serve as a distraction. When you really look at them, they aren’t THAT sincerely pretty.
Having said all that, don’t get me started about her acting skills, or lack there of!
@Hostess,
Great points.
@Hostess,
Yeah Beyonce, as much as people hate, is a very beautiful woman. She’d look good bald, I think. She is a 10, I’d think.
@Hostess, might be some truth to that…Sanaa doesnt exactly intimidate me. then again, i’m panama and i’m awesomely sexxy.
though i did clam the f*ck up when i had the opportunity to holler at laura winslow…she was giving me some interest-smiles and everything.
oh well…
@Panama Jackson,
laura winslow looks at hot mess now…she’s that new host of clean my house. replacing neecy nash…
@maria,
Ugh I know… That show will not be the same without Neecy. Laura or Kelley (thats what her parent calls her) lol does look like she could use a make over.
@Panama Jackson,
This is a very quick list… Ladies can correct me or expound on these.
1 = Lil Wayne
5 0r 6 = Lebron James
8 = Will Smith
10 =Reggie Bush (worth the goggle search), or even Gabriel (Hally’s Guy) just cuz you have to be a bad dude to pull her.
@Dat Chick, “1 = Lil Wayne”
haha. I would give Boris and Denzel Washington a 10 and Blair Underwood a 8/9.
@Leila, Blair from that scene in set it off gets a 8 but regular erry day blair? I gotta give him a 5…
Boris though…ummmm yeah I mm a have to dime him up….
@shay_d_lady,
Boris does NADA for me. He looks like a walking penis. *Shudder*
Then again, I always go for the quirky intellectuals. I can drool over Google images of Mos Def for startling amounts of time.
@Leila,
can morris chestnut circa the brothers get some love as well please.
i am still ready and willing to have his baby, any time he’s ready, i’m ready
@jana.love,
2 snaps for by boy Morris. That is one fine brotha.
@Dat Chick,
Will Smith an 8????? I’d give him a 6.
@iloVEGrits, I agree will is a 6..but he def has had some 8 moments…LOL
@iloVEGrits,
I’m with you on Will. Dewayne Johnson could get it, though. Twice. Daily. On retainer.
@Nikiloveli,
and 8 ways on sunday!!!!
@Dat Chick,
i like LeBron’s face but i can’t see past his tats. so yeah, i’d put him at a 5 or 6
@Dat Chick,
Weezy doesn’t do it for me but I don’t think he’s the lowest common denominator. How about:
1= Shabba Ranks or Ms. Jay from ANTM
@Ms. Hall, yeah Wayne is unfortunate but shyt it does get worse…..He.ll Baby is worse than Wayne and Slim well that ninja still got to prove he’s human….that just aint right…
@shay_d_lady
“Slim well that ninja still got to prove he’s human”
This just made me laugh super hard. But you are correct that mofo looks like a mentally challenged, droopy Ninja Turtle. And he looks like he drools.
@shay_d_lady,
Go to your room..
@shay_d_lady,
just cause there r more unfortunate lookin people than wayne doesn’t make his facial offense any better.I refuse!
@shay_d_lady, I disagree! I love weezie but that boy ain’t no kind of cute. I think Baby can get a 2.
@Ms. Hall, Wayne has an underdeveloped skull…you ever looked at his profile??? I’d put him at the bottom!
@Bailey,
he’s so scarrrry looking, I shudder to think what he will look like with all those tattoos,when he’s 60.All saggy and runny inked.
I hope for his sake its just magic marker.
@Dat Chick, but Reggie Bush is FIONE!@!! OH my.. I mean his skin is just so smooth and chocolatey…..like one of those giant chocolate easter bunnies…I know he smells like chocolate (yall know that ninja use cocoa butter)
@shay_d_lady,
I have been cracking up at your comments. Yes that man is oooohh sooo good, its just not right.
Reggie Bush may be foine but NO.
Why you ask? For one very important reason…
Kim Kardashian.
@Dat Chick, I would give Lebron an 8 and Will Smith a 6!
@Dat Chick,
If Wayne is 1, wut’d you give Dennis Rodman, Kimbo Slice, Notorious B.I.G., that dude from Day 26…. (I could go on)
I think my 10′s would be Dondre T. Whitfield or Merlin Santana (R.I.P.) but they still couldnt get away with all that ish!
@Me fail english?,
If Wayne is 1, wut’d you give Dennis Rodman, Kimbo Slice, Notorious B.I.G., that dude from Day 26…. (I could go on)
Some of the aforementioned are certified negative infinity! Just coz some1′s uglier than you certainly don’t make you pretty!
@Dat Chick,
Don’t forget Flava Flav! He is a negative 500. He has a whole ‘nother subcategory of fug.
@Cheekie,
TRUTH.
Flava flav looks like human jerky. It frightens me. Everytime I had the misfortune to see reels of those chicks trying to get some tongue mouth actionwith him, I’d throw up a little bit in my mouth.
@ofloveandotherdemons,
HUMAN JERKY?! *flatline*
VSB- when the cops come? Tell ‘em Love did it.
@ofloveandotherdemons,
Flava flav looks like human jerky
St Peter better be waitin fo me at them pearly gates coz I just died a few small deaths at that!
@ofloveandotherdemons,
“Flava flav looks like human jerky. ”
*DEAD*
@ofloveandotherdemons,
*cracking up* @ “human jerky”. PERFECT!!
I am reading this late, and I am glad cause if I had read this at work they would’ve fired me for laughing so hard. TOO funny… wow.. human jerky..
::Dead::
@Cheekie,
And speaking of jerky. I always wondered where the hell Flav got off having any standards:
-no lip gloss
-must spell “Flavor Flav” correctly (as if that ish is a standard English term)
-breath can’t stank
He’s lucky anyone even looked at his freeze-dried self
@Me fail english?,
I KNOW!
The worst offense of all is that, according to him, no one can touch his face. WTF? Has he looked in his broken mirror lately? As if women are standing in line wanting to touch his face or something.
Your face is a hand repellant, ain’t nobody wanna touch your face, Flav.
@Cheekie,
“Your face is a hand repellant”
Are you trying to kill me?!
@Cheekie,
Goodness how did i forget Flav. dayum
@ Cheekie,
** I hollered**
I didn’t mention Flav earlier because last time I got sick…
@Dat Chick, 1. Flava Flav (he resembles Miss Jane Pitman) 4. Chris Rock 5. Sean Combs 6. Blair Underwood 8. Nelly 9. Idris Elba/ Tyrese Gibson 10. Boris Kodjoe
I heavily weighed the physique as well as the face when I ranked the following gentlemen. Boris scored so high because he seems to be pretty intelligent. I had to picture all of them w/o money otherwise this list could have went differently.
I didn’t know Sanaa was polarizing?!?!?
When did this happen?
I guess I do like her because she seems attainable and “regular.”
Plus did you see her on Nip/Tuck? The acting was on point but the body was BANGIN!
Sorry…that’s my chick! She’s a 10 for me along with Halle (how’s that for equity between the skinnedness)
@Dat Chick, he’s a gangly, lite-brite with a big nose and a big head.
He gets a 4
@um yea,
ok I laughed a bit to long with that..
its all Luv
@um yea, Hear that guys? If Halle can get pulled by a 4, y’all can all have Sanaa. Let the record r’cleck.
@Hostess, H.ell Beyonce got pulled by a 1…I mean swagger aside.. just based on looks Jay is a .5 sometimes a 1 his swag and confidence gives him extra points..so i guess its the opposite with dudes….
@shay_d_lady, Ugly men get with pretty women all the time. They treat women above them on the scale better. *
There are some 5-men who are crazy, will get the 8+girl, and keep her in the metaphoric hole in the ground as he demands that she puts the lotion on.
@Hostess,
i quit you.
@Hostess,
“IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE BASKET!!!”
@The Champ,
Have you heard the song and seen the video?
Okay I checked the urbandictionary and still wasn’t able to understand the “put the lotion in the basket” reference. The definition made a reference to Silence Of The Lambs, a movie I’ve seen, but I’m still lost. VSB please put me on.
@shay_d_lady,
Yeah Jay is kinda turtley lookin.. but I’d give him a 3.
@mssmtaylor,
True, that. He’s turtley enough for the Turtle Club.
@mssmtaylor,
3 my azz! The only thing above a 1 about Jay is his pockets!
@YGB,
‘Fa Sho!!!
I shouldn’t have looked @ those Ms. Jane Pittman photos. *shudders*
…I trust that Liz is working on a similar reference list for the men of VSB. We’re going to need some company during the self-actualization process.
@Resident GRitS, nope. this is all about the menfolks here. i toyed with the idea of trying to come up with one for men then i realized, this is a site run by two dudes. why we gotsz (love the spelling) to be fair?
lol.
though, if somebody wants to come up with a male version…if it’s good, i’ll post it. send it to contact@verysmartbrothas.com
i’m all about equal opportunity self-reflection…
@Panama Jackson,
VSB.com: where one-sided introspection is expected.
…love y’all, anyway.
Has anyone ever paid attention to Sanaa’s thumbs? I think she’s a very pretty girl but there’s something unsettling about her thumbs. They are midget-like. Thanks to Bushwick Bill, ‘little’ people’s limbs are unsettling to me. I know it’s wrong. But hey, like men, can’t I get points for honesty?
Also, for kicks and giggles:
HOW DOES A WOMAN(MAN) KNOW HER RATING?
Is it based solely on others’ reactions?
@Hostess,
thumb fetish?
@jana.love, Naw. Just watched Love & Basketball yesterday and there was a point where she had her hand on dude’s face. Her nail-beds are tiny…Like Bushwisk Bill’s.
@Hostess,
Naw, you’re right. I always felt like a jerk when I would comment about her hands, but her thumbs are funny! I had a friend w/similar thumbs- beauuuutiful girl, but her hands reminded me of Sanaa’s and it just killed me. lol
@jana.love, See my story below. You might be on to something…Yet I’ll deny it in a court of law!
@Hostess, you know honestly, i would break up with a chick with ugly hands. it aint right, but its true.
one of my boys is dating a very pretty girl with some ugly hands. i’m gonna buy them some lotion for their baby shower and hope the kids hands get smoothed out.
and women, to find out your rating, ask a man who doesnt want to sleep with you. in fact, ask a random gay dude.
@Panama Jackson, The other side of the coin is a man with bad hands and one of his was his dead mom’s ring. How the hell could he fit her ring and my gloves? Let’s just say he never passed ‘Go’, didn’t collect $200 and never heard from me again.
Oh there was also a dude I met who was missing the top pointy part of his right first finger. We went out once. I saw that, and was done.
Finally, when I was looking for apartments once, I went to a place where the dude who was showing me around had NO THUMBS!! You read right. He was opening doors, holding papers, and ‘urrythang’ using his first TWO fingers. Do you know how hard it was to not ask about his big toes? And get this. Months later I saw him on a date with a pretty girl.
Damn. Maybe I do have a thing for thumbs.
@Hostess,
I once had a guy at a salon with a missing thumb give me a pedicure. Was queasy the whole time.
@iloVEGrits, Did he lose his thumbs or was he not born with any? The dude I saw wasn’t born with any. I searched the net but couldn’t find a picture of exactly what it looked like. Put your palms face down and tuck your thumbs under. That’s what his hands looked like.
He can’t wear mittens or gloves and he can’t text. Those were the exact thoughts that came to me after, “Does he have big toes?”
@Panama Jackson, So if a woman doesn’t know any men who don’t want to sleep with her, she’s a what? 8? 10?
@Panama Jackson,
“ask a random gay dude”
Ok. This makes me feel good. The list had me depressed. But the gays LOVE me. I get stopped by white gays, black gays, Latino gays who tell me I can be their ‘wife’.
I was once at a gay club and had my booty grabbed.
Feelin’ a little better ’bout myself now.
Also…I’ve been upgraded to first class 3 times in my life cuz the guy at the gate thought I was cute. Does that count for anything????
@Panama Jackson,
one of my boys is dating a very pretty girl with some ugly hands. i’m gonna buy them some lotion for their baby shower and hope the kids hands get smoothed out.
Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry was dating this beautiful girl with man hands.
There is a Seinfeld episode for every situation in life.
@Sula,
YES!!!! The man hands chick.
I loved how she was crackin’ that lobster…hilarious!!
@miss t-lee,
And then she opened that beer! LMAO
@Dom,
With no opener or anything, with her BARE FREAKIN’ HANDS!!!!!
*chuckling*
I’m slowly building up my Seinfeld collection on dvd…I love them jokers!
all Sanaa’s fingers look weird and abnormally stubby to me. her and Catherine Zeta Jones’ hands just weird me out.
@Gem of the Ocean, and the chuuuch said, yay-men
@Gem of the Ocean, OMG! I’m so glad I’m not the only one!! I actually rewound my TiVo to make sure everyone saw those thumbs!
@Hostess, me too. Her hands really bug me.
@bballmom,
Hey wait I just caught this thread. I remember going to see Love @ Basket ball and the kids that sat behind us in the theater were giggling @ this very thing.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Meagan Fox (the chick from “Transformers”) has those crazy thumbs, too.
…AND she had the nerve to let paint chip.
Not too many 2520 females turn my head, but THIS chick is FINE!
@AkShone,
Yeah, Im with you on that. She is banging. I saw Transformers in theaters twice, and once on big screen.
@Hostess,
I’m wondering the same thing. I would ask Panama to rate me, but then I would come off as desperate and self-conscious, when neither is true.
Damn, so I guess I’ll have to find someone obsessed with me that will consistently tell me how good I look so I don’t have to ask.
*looks out window for stalkers*
So I guess this is the closest I’m going to get to ever seeing another October Madness (kinda like March Madness although not really) actually in March, huh? No Kenya Moore? No Stacey Dash? Not even Kerry Washington? Sanaa Lathan receiving a 7?? THIS is the main reason shyt like this should be up for a vote. I know it’s your site bruh, but damn.
I agree with the overall post though. A lot of people are delusional about their looks and many times they refuse to be honest with themselves.
@Monk,
I see we have similar taste in women, because I was waiting to see at least one of these women in the line-up.
Kerry Washington is possibly the prototype of wifeness, woooo…I’d be intimidated, but I’d try.
@AkShone,
I think if I were a man, I’d be you. Kerry Washington is soooo my girl crush!
@Dom,
Well, I guess we’re the black wonder twins (but with flyer superhero gear)…they should’ve been black anyway.
@AkShone,
The same haircut though? Thos bowl haircuts had me in tears. Please opt for dreadlocks in your flyer gear?
@Monk,
I think this list is actually very personal (as it should be)… and probably solely based on facial features?
Ms. Kenya Moore is one bad mama. So is Mrs. Stacey Dash.
@Sula,
Ms. Kenya Moore is one bad mama. So is Mrs. Stacey Dash.
as far as pop culture goes, these are my number 1 and 1a’s.
so overall your basic advice is if your not a dime, shut up, smile and be a freak? LOL thats a bit ridiculous.. and on the Halle Berry thing..she can do almost anything….except Keep a man!@ Halle is my girl though but it goes to show that it aint all about the looks….I dont think I am a dime I have always been middle of the spectrum with the ability to go up or down depending on how much effort I put in for the day…but I guess it does help that I am approachable and well read….and here I thought it was all about my sharp wit!….LMAO
@shay_d_lady,
co-sign on the Halle thing. I mentioned it before: she is physical perfection but men dog her. My cousin is a 10…body and face…can’t keep a decent or better than average looking dude.
@shay_d_lady,
“and on the Halle Berry thing..she can do almost anything….except Keep a man”
ECK-ZACKLY!!!!!
@shay_d_lady,
“so overall your basic advice is if your not a dime, shut up, smile and be a freak? ”
Basically. This is why you don’t listen to dudes. lol
@shay_d_lady,
Halle Berry comes off to me as some sort of insecure. She doesn’t seem very comfortable in her skin… and I wonder why.
Just another one of my theories, but a woman like Halle Berry or any woman that is deemed incredibly beautiful in all parts of the world has been told so ALL her life. She’s been judged positively or negatively based purely on her looks, so subconsciously or consciously through whatever trials and tribulations life has thrown at her in some way or form she thinks it’s due to her looks.
It has been her “meal-ticket” to some extent, not to say she has used this to her advantage, but I’m sure it’s helped. Mix that in with the now cliché’ “daddy issues”, she’s obviously been seeking solace in the wrong type of men as her history has shown. As they say, with age comes understanding…hopefully, she’s found that (even though I be hatin’ when I see them together, lol) with this dude.
Insecure…yes, but as you know, your past experiences (not you personally) can dictate your self-esteem.
@AkShone,
I co-sign this! I think this is also coupled with men who generally love the thrill of the hunt. So once they’ve bagged the ultimate prize, the high fades!
Just my 2 cents!
@YGB,
I think your addendum is more on the money. Good-looking women are acutely aware of how much their beauty can attract, but how little it can actually keep. That’s gotta be enough to make you a little insecure, if not slightly paranoid.
Your beauty keeps settin ‘em up, personality keeps knockin ‘em down. I’d rather not get the extra attn in the first place, less BS to sift through.
@AkShone,
Just another one of my theories, but a woman like Halle Berry or any woman that is deemed incredibly beautiful in all parts of the world has been told so ALL her life. She’s been judged positively or negatively based purely on her looks, so subconsciously or consciously through whatever trials and tribulations life has thrown at her in some way or form she thinks it’s due to her looks.
these are called “pretty-girl issues”. i was thinking about writing about that, but i then had some better thoughts
@The Champ,
That’s a trip The Champ since I’ve been coming to this site I think too. Like people always on some ‘don’t judge me’ tip. As soon as someone judges you and agrees it’s all good??? What’s up w/ that? People just want to know where they can get in, where they fit, where they know your name and they belong.
@shay_d_lady,
“on the Halle Berry thing..she can do almost anything….except Keep a man!”
Damn, almost forgot that minor detail (that kinda nullifies the whole post)!
Which reminds of Elizabeth Taylor, who long past her prime days (physically speaking) was still bagging and getting wifed by dudes galore.
I think I’ll just be myself. I like the men I pull (and keep).
“You can be the busted chick who’s barely ugly who knows a lot about The Amistad Revolt.”
LMAO! Funny post, but if Kelly Rowland is a 6 and Sanaa Lathan is a 7, then most women are screwed. They’re both at least an 8, at least according to my boys who are obsessed with them….
@Leila, yeah where is the regular chick list.. I mean based on hollywood standards I would barely be a 2..thats why I dont sweat it.. im a pimp and a dime in my own f!@ckin rhyme…..LOL
@shay_d_lady,
“im a pimp and a dime in my own f!@ckin rhyme…..LOL”
Yes ma’am.
*head nod*
@shay_d_lady,
lol. you’re right. maybe us regular girls can determine our status by how many times we get verbally attacked/personal space invaded by some ninja that has lost all notions of courting and common sense?
whether they be facially unfortunate or pretty b!itches as discussed yesterday because for the most part, looks aside, most men have forgotten the art of how to approach a woman. *shrug*
@shay_d_lady,
Get’ em lady!
@shay_d_lady,
I heart you for ur whole comment!
@Leila,
Haha, the visual of a dude intro’ing his boys to some mudduck and saying “Yeah I know, but ask her about that Middle Passage!” has me chuckling on the inside.
I’m sorry, I have to comment shyt all over the ridiculousness that is this post. For one, 5 and 6, please switch. For two, I feel like your standards (Panama) start kind of high. If old girl from Steve Harvey show is a five? Dude, you’ve got to be joking. Can you even meet your own standards? I feel like most dudes could barely pull a 5 by your standards. I’m sorry, there is a whole lot more ranting I cold do about this, right down to the right of anyone to rank another based on only looks…I digress. I appreciate the effort Panama but, really? You just missed it on this one.
i think most dudes set the standards for women extremely high– and most of the dudes who do this could barely pull a 4 on PJ’s list. so how men choose to rank women’s physical appearances is really of no consequence to me or my lifespace.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Holla! you said it
@DukeGirlTex,
I see it as it says “Beauty is in the eye…..” Despite how beautiful and fantabulous that I know I am and have been told my many, not every man wants a “Raqi”.
Once every woman comes to grips with that life will be much happier.
@Raqi,
Pretty Much.
@DukeGirlTex,
welcome and sh*t.
and, ummm…
“…right down to the right of anyone to rank another based on only looks…”
…please stop.
@DukeGirlTex,
welcome!!!
*shooting gold stars*
though….i do think we all rank people in our own way before we know them. then the personality and all that jazz kicks in and can move folk up and down the ladder. lets’ just woosah and continue….
i guess guys look at things differently. for me (and most of my girl friends), a negative disposition will take a dude’s attractiveness waaaaay down. he could be Idris Elba, Djimon Hounsou, or Laz Alonso yummy kinda fine and a stank/egotistical/butthole-ish attitude will make me turn my head and no longer want to do privately intimate things to them.
i don’t care what a person looks like, i can’t stand to be around anyone who earnestly rides their own sack/teet. period.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Nah sis, that’s how it goes on both sides. Conversely, a woman’s attitude has actually made her look MORE attractive to me. A woman who’s down to earth and real is the flyest thing in the world to me.
Liking college basketball and the Philadelphia Eagles push her attractiveness meter past “10″ with yours truly.
Lastly…
Three fine women who get no love IMHO: Phyllis Yvonne Stickney, Sheryl Lee Ralph and Toccara Jones.
I’ve got mad love for the darker sisters.
It’s a beautiful thing…
@ThePhiladelphiaNegro,
Sheryl Lee Ralph looks great in person and she looks good for her age; really stunning. But she has a deformed pinkie toe. I saw it while shoe shopping with her.
non-physical attributes can certainly tip the scales one way or another.
there’s no face or physique gorgeous enough to excuse a straight up jerk. none.
@Gem of the Ocean,
TELL IT!!!!!
@ThePhiladelphiaNegro,
I agree with Toccara Jones! She’s my girl crush… (ok the boobies might help) but still!
@ThePhiladelphiaNegro,
Sheryl Lee Ralph
I bet her wigs stink.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Ah, Idris…
@Resident GRitS,
That is one fine brotha…
@Resident GRitS,
It’s just that he’s such a MAN! **swoon** Oh, MY!
@Resident GRitS,
Mmmm hmmm. And then that accent?
Lawd-a-Mercy!
@miss t-lee,
Giiiirrrrlllll! That accent just does unmentionable things to my being!
@YGB,
Mine too…lol
@Resident GRitS,
Right, I’d do bad, bad, very naughty things to him.
@Resident GRitS,
and he’s about to be on 6 episodes of The Office!!!! heaven will soon manifest itself through NBC on Thursdays @ 9p EST—halleluyerrr!!!
@Gem of the Ocean,
Thanks for the tip!
*note to self, tivo the he!! out of the next 6 episodes of the office*
What this list proves is that every woman ain’t a dime. Dime status is typically given out on looks alone. I know this flies in the face of what everyone’s momma ‘nem have told them. But it’s true. Personality is an after though because nobody sees anyone of the opposite sex and says, “I bet s/he is really smart.”
Also, I believe that ratings can be adjusted by region. I lose at LEAST one point when I go south of VA. Why? Cus I’m just not big enough. Oh well. That’s life.
@Hostess,
“I believe that ratings can be adjusted by region. I lose at LEAST one point when I go south of VA.”
Agree. I am hot shyt in the south and Cali.
@iloVEGrits, exactly..im fine down south but the thick chicks get very little love in Cali…
it depends on where in cali you are. thicker chicks are more desired in NoCal.
@Hostess,
…as a GRitS, I’mma gon’head and take that as a compliment.
@Resident GRitS, It wasn’t meant as a dis or a compliment. But I have observed that southern men like their women thicker than me. It’s their preference so I stay my ass in the north.
What’s funny is that nobody, as I have read, picked up on Panama saying, about Halle, “Just don’t get fat and the world is your oyster.”
I know ‘fat’ is typically defined differently in Black culture than white but I’d be interested to know how ‘fat’ Halle have to get to not be a 10. Would she need to go from a 4 to a 10 9which isn’t even big if you’re taller than 5ft, BTW)? To a 16?
And how would pple react if women said, publicly, “___ is fine. The world is his oyster so long as he doesn’t wind up broke.” The ‘gold digger’ label would be thrown around fast.
great points
@Hostess, Halle was a ten to me since “Boomerang” Kerri Washington is my new top ten. Angela Bassett is a nother one. A.Keys is a solid 9, cuz…on second thought she’s a ten just cuz she’s really talented and beautiful…too bad she doesn’t like men.
@Toussaintthefree,
I was also surprised that A.Keys didn’t make the cut.
@Resident GRitS
Ummmm what’s a GRitS.
And I agree with Hostess, people down south aint checking for my lil arse…..I accept that.
@V Renee,
They ain’t all looking for us team chunk members down here, don’t get it completely twisted. Ya’ll would still get some love.
@V Renee,
…a Girl Raised in the South.
@Resident GRitS
D@mn all this time, I seriously thought you loved grits and sh*t (with sugar cause that’s the only way to make them
)
@V Renee,
Ewwww. Not the sugared grits squad!
Only way to eat ‘em: cheesy grits with some good catfish!
@Sula,
I’m from the South and I don’t even eat grits…lmao
They gone take my card!
@Sula,
Kick Ms. T-lee off your post. Sacrilege!
Oh, and I’m with you on the Death to Sugared Grits squad. Ugh!
@Nikiloveli
*giggling* I know, I know…
`@Resident GRitS
I hate to say I thought you liked grits too. LOL.
@V Renee
I think up north (DC…hahaha) butter-sugared grits are to start kids eating them. Like French folks who feed their kids watered down wine with sugar. But with age I’ve acquired a taste for the more savory version. Even the gourmet dinner grits a la Garlic grits with sauteed shrimp and vegetables. Yum.
The phenomenon of 3′s acting like they have modeling contracts has irked me for years … like all my life.
I can’t go as far to say that some of these low number chics need to just fall over and die … but d*mn if its not an epidemic.
And lastly … why does every girl with a glamor shot thinks she is a bonafide model?
@Single Black Male,
I agree. Wholeheartedly.
It makes me laugh even harder when girls with *ss shots and softcore p*rn photos assume that they’re models because they saw some ex-stripper do the same thing in Maxim.
Don’t even let me touch upon the girls that act like they have an agency, when it turns out their “agency” is some “entertainment company” that throws local club parties. You are NOT a model.
Yes, this bothers me alot. I have my reasons.
@Single Black Male,
“And lastly … why does every girl with a glamor shot thinks she is a bonafide model?”
The same reason every hood chic with a big @ss is a model/aspiring actress.
@Single Black Male,
A 3 face with a 6 body adds up to a 9 cause of those parched for female attention men among us.
@Single Black Male,
“And lastly … why does every girl with a glamor shot thinks she is a bonafide model?”
This is funny. I love when they put the status on their myspace as “working hard” or “gettin paper” or some other such nonsense. Girl, stop.
Viva la ass models!
@ Panama Jackson,
“You ever know a chick who acted a little bit more assholish than their face seemingly allowed? You know what I mean, chicks who were busted but didn’t seem to realize it, or at least didn’t fully respect their inner-Gremlin. I’m talking about the women who ultimately end up pissing people off because they don’t stay in their lane.”
LMAO.
Although I laughed at the beginning I don’t feel right commenting (Gab has more sex appeal in her pinky toe than Bey in her whole body. No homo.) because your classification system objectifies women. However I will say that I sense anger in your text. I hope this post was therapeutic. LOL.
A one eyed man is king in the land of the blind. So, if after thorough self reflection you realize, much to your dismay, that you are not as aesthetically blessed as initially thought, follow these effortless steps to realign your chakras and regain your state of zen:
1.) Using our stringent ‘Am I the Kelly Rowland to her Beyonce?’ analytical system, evaluate friends’ and associates’ physical prowess; discard all whom the system deems more attractive.
2.) Re-evaluate your ‘looks’ criteria for non-platonic partners. For example, if you previously courted only the Idris Elba, Benicio del Toro and Daniel Sunjata-s of the world, now is the perfect time to lower that bar and reach out, aggressively, to the less fortunate (face wise) brothers.
3.) Hang out in areas that mainly cater to the aesthetically malnourished. If those around you are a Quasimodo hump-bell tower zip at Notre dame- heartbeat away from falling victim to witch hunt, then you, with your two eyes-wart less-non visible protrusion self, are sure to lord over them.
Follow these simple guidelines and you will escape from this episode of self analysis with your delusions of grandeur intact; avoid learning any bleeding heart/tree huger/love thyself/heal the world/personality developing social protocols that would make you a more tolerable human being and acquire a menagerie of minions so aesthetically challenged (bonus if they are at the bottom of the social totem pole) that your very presence, no matter how vile your behavior, will elicit their eternal awe, gratitude and ensure total subservience to you.
@ofloveandotherdemons,
Bwahahahaha!
Hilarious.
@ofloveandotherdemons,
LMAO! *Drinks the Kool-Aid*
you know you think kimbery elise is cute.
@charli skipper, I think she is cute generally, she makes ugly faces but she is a regular looking black chick..I hate when people call her ugly, the same with Michelle Obama.. as first lady they compliment her but before that her strong features werent getting all that much love….
@shay_d_lady, the same with Michelle Obama
I hate it when people say that Michelle Obama is anything less than GORGEOUS… I really think that she is. They are some haters.
@pgh muse, Madam First Lady works the hell out of what she has. I give way more points to people who know their strengths and work the hell out of them. It’s much easier for Beyonce to be pretty because she got it genetically. She doesn’t get too much credit for what she didn’t do for herself. But Michelle? Michelle Obama wouldn’t be the chick who stops traffic. Yet, she’s done the things that make her kinda flyyy. She proves that you don’t have to be the cookie-cutter standard ‘pretty’ and still rock.
@Hostess,
I totally agree. There are plenty of people in the world who are not good looking but they carry themselves in a way that makes you look twice.
To be honest, I’m just grateful I’m not ugly and that people (my mother not included as she is biased) have complimented me enough for me to know for a fact that I’m not ugly.
@lulu,
“I’m just grateful I’m not ugly”
potential t-shirt
@The Champ,
I agree.
Actually I would like a post from Panama about why hot chicks never get holla’d at. My friend shows me pics of all her friends in college who can’t get a man. And these girls are Paula Patton/Megan Fox level. Even I was taken aback at how pretty some of them are. What gives?
@lulu,
Not that I’m Panama, or anything…but the reason is simple:
Intimidation.
No, seriously. This guy tried to school me at the Democratic Convention about how beautiful chicks (especially smart ones) are so intimidating, that men won’t approach them for whatever childish “she’s better than me”/”she’s not on my level”/”I’m a chicken sh*t”.
My male cousin has verified this.
Darn shame.
@chaoticdiva, Not sure I buy this intimidation thing. I believe it’s something Essence has taught women so those women can sleep at night. This way, those women don’t have to look in the mirror and see they really aren’t all they thought they were. Further, when I’ve heard men say they were intimidated by pretty women, what it came down to was that they knew it might be work to get and keep her. They wanted none of that. Thing is, they are right. Show your ass on a pretty woman. She might love your dirty draws but she’s less likely to cling to you for dear life because she knows there are 12 more in line to take your place. Remember, only pretty women have issues with commitment. It’s because deep down, she knows she can always replace the current guy. It’s the same reason Black men who jobs, no kids, and no criminal record will leave a relationship like a stealth bomber.
Further, when I’ve heard men say they were intimidated by pretty women, what it came down to was that they knew it might be work to get and keep her.
i agree with this.
@chaoticdiva,
No, seriously. This guy tried to school me at the Democratic Convention about how beautiful chicks (especially smart ones) are so intimidating, that men won’t approach them for whatever childish “she’s better than me”/”she’s not on my level”/”I’m a chicken sh*t”
this is bs. women who get approached are approached because they’re approachable. pretty women who don’t get approached don’t get approached because they think that they should get constantly approached and showered with attention…which, in turn, makes them unapproachable.
@The Champ,
Gotta disagree here Champ. On two separate occasions I’ve had a guy approach me, exchange witty repartee (sp?) and then hit me with the “You wouldn’t get with me anyway” or “You’re probably too good for me”. One guy actually wound up yelling at me as I crossed the street from him about how I think I’m too good cause I go to school.
And I promise, I didn’t leave part of the story out. We actually went from me saying “Yeah Igo to school across the street, College University.” And then the deluge!
Also maybe men and women have different ideas about approached, but I don’t count the guys who talk AT me rather than to me among dudes who approached. Keeping that in mind, it’s pretty rare.
@Me fail english?,
“You wouldn’t get with me anyway” or “You’re probably too good for me”
These are sympathy tactics…aka hurt puppy syndrome, hoping you’d feel sorry for him and give up the math.
“One guy actually wound up yelling at me as I crossed the street from him about how I think I’m too good cause I go to school.”
…he’s just an insecure @sshole.
@AkShone,
“These are sympathy tactics…aka hurt puppy syndrome, hoping you’d feel sorry for him and give up the math.”
Perhaps, but this dude actually swiftly walked away after he said. I HOPE he didn’t think I’d give chase. haha
@Me fail english?,
“These are sympathy tactics…aka hurt puppy syndrome, hoping you’d feel sorry for him and give up the math.”
yeah, akshone is right. i think we might need to devote an entry day to “sh*t that men do that really is nothing but game”
@lulu,
She’s lying through her teeth.
They, Megan Fox level chicks, can and do get offers, it’s just not Denzel Michael Idra doing the holleration.
Drunken hollas count!
@WestIndianArchie,
HAHAHAHAHA no they dont.
I think I’m am an attractive women. I am educated. Have a very good job. Three kids but they dont know that right off lol. I seem to get approached by some of the worst guys.
i.e ( No job, criminal record, felony, two many damn baby mama’s or straight up ugly)
Whats the deal?
@mssmtaylor,
“Whats the deal?”
I want to know too. I am befuddled.
They have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to lose! Why not try? You just might have low selfesteem/self worth/ be desperate enough to go for it. You know a sista with all the same qualifications as you with a bustdown man. He went for it and she took the bait.
So, upon reading Panama’s original post, I had a fairly thorough laugh (out loud, at work) at the ridiculous nature of the rating scheme. Of course, brothas everywhere have had these thoughts before.
Then the pangs of guilt began to reverberate through my mind……what on earth have I been laughing about??
Why am I finding humor in the vilification and debasement of women of African descent?
Why is it that black men take a particular satisfaction in degrading the women whom they share a common heritage with?
Why does our unique brand of comedy, stand-up or otherwise, focus so intently disgracing and lowering the status of black women??
Why do my fellow brothas (certainly not all) find it difficult to be monogamous to our sistas?
Why is it, that hip-hop, an musical form that I’ve grown up with most of my life, and have always loved, profits off of humiliating and demeaning our mothers, sisters, cousins, and daughters?
Why is it that other musical forms (promulgated primarily by other ethnic/racial groups; i.e. white people, asians, latino, etc) don’t disparage their women?
Why will someone responding to this post probably get defensive in their answer?
JR
@Jack.Ryan, Your questions are valid ones. The answer(s) could be a whole day of posts. I’ll just say that a lot of Black men don’t feel OBLIGATED to protect Black girls and women.
As for today’s post, I think personal preference plays a part in this. I don’t think every Black man is beautiful physically. I can appreciate them as a human. But find them all attractive? Notsomuch.
@Jack.Ryan, killjoy
@Jack.Ryan,
You betta say that…
Why is it that other musical forms (promulgated primarily by other ethnic/racial groups; i.e. white people, asians, latino, etc) don’t disparage their women?
let’s not get it twisted. whites and latinos can be just as misogynistic and disparaging in their music. but regardless, we (black folk) don’t need to use other ethnic groups as measuring sticks on how to treat our women.
@Jack.Ryan,
welcome and sh*t
as far as your questions, a couple are valid and relevant, and a couple are a bit pandering. each, though, suggests that we’re not ever allowed to let our proverbial black power fists down and laugh a little bit. obviously, there are many times here when the posted topic ends up being 17 different topics by the time in gets to the comments, but jack, man, today its really not that serious.
I have to honestly say that I think this post is humorous, and that there was no malice intended. I think that Kelly Rowland is a beautiful girl and Kimberly Elise is attractive too. I think that Essence Atkins is as pretty as Halle Berry. I don’t get the Halle Berry thing. But I blame it on pop culture and the media, she’s pretty but “the most beautiful woman in the world”… I think not. Paula Patton is pretty… you get a nod on her… as is Gabby Union although I think they are a tie. Gabby was wonderful in Cadillac Records and I found a new respect for her as an actress.
@pgh muse,
Agreed. I think Paula is prettier than Halle and Gabby is prettier than Beyonce. I suspect some of the ratings for Panama’s scale (maybe subconsciously) is based on how prominent a star they are. Although Halle and Beyonce are still both exceptionally pretty.
@ Me fail english?
“Gabby is prettier than Beyonce”
hallelujah! Agreed.
@pgh muse,
I think that Essence Atkins is as pretty as Halle Berry
That’s why you are my e-twin.
And I cosign on the whole post itself.
@ Ms. Sula
Awww **hugs e-twin** , we will be reunited once i get a new place of employment… or pay for a hand held device
pgh, i actually thought gabby union was pretty terrible in cadillac records, or maybe it was that scene when homeboy died, it seemed so fake…
*waving*
@ Overit,
Hey girl! Really?!?! I thought that was her best role to date. She always seems to play the same part…over and over and over. I was impressed that she actually had to act in this role and didn’t do a bad job… Girl. I’m so mad that I missed VSB today!
I would have never expected this post to elicit such responses.
I just want to say that Sanaa is way better looking than Union. Where your eyes open during this comparison lol. Also although Kelly could be considered a hater she looks better than Union as well. Union as the wide nose in history looks like if she took a deep breath and exhaled she could handle sustained flight.
@Double J,
Whoa, you’re making fun of the wide nose, breathing up all the air now (Chapel, Black White Supremacist ring a bell)? If I were on another website, I’d think you were jaded, backwoods southern redneck, explaining why you hate black people. It’s enough that black women are being held up to white standards of beauty (and that Panama and tons of other posters on here have wholeheartedly adopted it), but to make deliberately pick at our beautiful African features? For shame!
@DukeGirlTex,
Do you have a wide nose by chance lol j/k.
Also last time I checked black women came in all shapes and sizes. Curious enough all women do and I still like them all(some more than others.). Its hilarious that you get on me for having preferences when we all do. By the way there are many “beautiful African features” on black women that I find to be irreplaceable. So as long as the pluses out weigh the negatives she is good to go.
Have a coke and a smile. I am on your side.
CHUUURRRCCCHHHH!
Dang, we rate pretty now? Ay dios mio, I’m so confused!
@Nicki Sunshine,
I’m so confused!
lol…how is that any different than usual?
@The Champ, Cause I thought u were pretty or not. 1 or 0…
lol
@Nicki Sunshine,
binary is certainly the way to go! lol
HILARIOUS!
I burnt my [lusciously full] lips sipping my tea while reading this post. Jack Ryan, I think those are great questions, and I think we all (black females included) are laughing out loud because though there is some self absorbed, shallow, and demeaning sincerity to the post, it was also posted in jest (maybe).
@ChaoticDiva (hey Diva!!) I completely agree, men tend to holla at the 4-6 chicks because the get tired of rejection, and may be intimidated.
I think all women 1-10 should smile and be amicable, I can’t stand when chicks come to my parties and they are dressed nice, look great, have the potential to be FLY but that potential stops short at their demeanor, being all uptight, mugging everyone in the room, lips pressed so tight you’d think they were crushin peanuts wit em! I have to slip them a few shots of Patron or Jose for them to crack a smile and relax. Personality counts for something!
@Certified Diva,
Yeah, Panama forgot to mention that alot of 10 chicks who act stank get downgraded to to 7′s and 8′s off the basis of a funky attitude. Everyone would do best to act decent. And the 4/5 chicks who act extra sweet are still..4′s and 5′s. No upside, all downside! Haha
Unrelated, but those two chicks from Harlem Heights are bad! (Ashlie and Brooke) Bitches!! *hating*
@Certified Diva,
How you doin Diva? Anyways, thank you!!! I mean I’m not saying it’s all guys, but I’ve heard this come out of the mouths of several guys. I’ve also had past boyfriends/boytoys/cut buddies ask me if I think I’m better than them because of my interests, hobbies, and educational background. Usually I’m like wtf?!? on them, but some guys swear that females don’t return calls just because they’re not at a certain level (when usually its because of something far less shallow).
“God doesn’t like ugly. He’s only mildly interested in you”
lmao!!
Panama your list is pretty much dead on. Although I think Gabrielle Union would rank higher than Beyonce. I met her in person and I was astonished. This list must be strictly the ranking of the face. I think when you include the body the rankings will change. Me and my boys had different raking systems. One way would be to give points on a scale of 1-10 for the face, legs, breast, etc. and average it out. Another way was to get the average b/w the body and the face.
ummm really?? all that just to rank somebody?? and for what??
@Gem of the Ocean,
Good questions. All the science in the world and your boys probably still disagree!
@Gem of the Ocean,
ummm really?? all that just to rank somebody?? and for what??
rankings are fun!!!! just yesterday my man and i spent 30 minutes ranking the top 10 best back-up combo guards in the nba. i would have spent another 30 minutes doing this if my phone didnt die
i’m just wondering if it’s that serious to rank all these different attributes of woman, then average the, carry the 1, multiply by the number of times you drooled while watching her, and divide by the number of times she’s you’d like to bang her back out. if it is, have fun with it—at least you’re showing you can do math, if nothing else…
Halle Berry is a certified nutjob. Does that mean she’s still a 10?
lol @ this whole post.
*Goes back to sipping my coffee and jamming to “Mayor”.*
@miss t-lee,
Halle Berry is a certified nutjob. Does that mean she’s still a 10?
a 10 with issues is…a 10 with issues, lol. thing is, physical attractiveness is just one of the factors that goes into overall attractiveness. so, to really answer your question, looks-wise a 10 stays a 10, but other things can dramatically decrease their score
@The Champ,
So you’d take a 10 with a side of crazy?
Got it….lol
This is the stupidest post you have ever done.
It’s not funny.
Grow up.
You only fall in the 3 category yourself, so you really shouldn’t even speak on it. (Its all perspective, no?)
And how ironic that 3 of your 4 8′s or above are light skinned women.
How counter revolutionary.
This post is so disrespectful and disappointing.
This totally negates your VERY SMART BROTHAS moniker.
@lol@thisstupidpost, hahahahaha you cant take a joke
@BROOKLYN’S OWN… Peyso
I don’t even necessarily think it’s a joke. I think he just ranked the women according to how he sees them. And that’s okay.
@BROOKLYN’S OWN… Peyso,
thing is, its NOT a joke.
these are the same cats who mess with someone in the dark and wife a different chick in public. this type of stuff has little black girls dressing like hoes and acting like them too. (just shut up and be a freak?) puhhhhhhhhhhhleese.
@lol@thisstupidpost,
Your right it = not a joke. You are not embracing the truth of the post though. Just cuz you get an A in Science it does not erase the F you got in phys ed. You are just mad @ society for extolling and lifting up the phys ed. harbingers. That’s who you got a real bovine disparagement with. (disclamer Panama was the principal of this school for this list. So it’s who he deems worthy. So if Panama is the be all and end all of who you deem beautiful. So be it. That means put on a smile and be nice if you don’t fit his criteria. Shyt who said Panama speaks for everyone.)
You got to know where you been to know where your going.
@WuDaMan,
so if i was born with ugly lips or a ‘family’ nose, i should be basically just jump off of a cliff and just prostitute with tape over my mouth so i can get some?
i understand that people have a preference, but dang! the truth of the post is really sad, stereotypical and disappointing.
i fully understand that men are visual. and the some people who are unattractive do not act in accordance with their position, but jeez…. these are usually the exception and not the rule.
@lol@thisstupidpost,
I hear where your coming from. These are Panama Jackson’s truths. Not every man alive. Now in principal every man does think this way. There is a hierarchy of what he values. Now you may have to find a guy who deems your “ugly lips or ‘family’ nose” beautiful as you do. In the illustrious words of Goodie Mob, ‘you got to respect yourself before I can’ (c) Beautiful Skin (you could add love honor and a host of esteeming verbs). Panama has a multicultural background so does Halle Berry… This is not the be all end all of weather you could procreate. Procreate w/ Panama maybe but altogether no. Slow down on the strong language and stuff you need a stress reliever. I mean the use of conjunctions such as but, and drawing situational hypothetical as absolutes screams ‘lets fight’. And really I feel you… “A beautiful young person is a freak of nature. Whereas a beautiful old person is a work of art”
@lol@thisstupidpost,
“so if i was born with ugly lips or a ‘family’ nose” – You should own that sh*t!! People don’t realize the power of confidence. If you own/love yourself (flaws and all) no one should be able to tell you that you are less than anything than what you are. You think the lower ranked chicks care how PJ ranks them – HE!! NAW, cause they own that sh*t. Which is why others still look at them as being fly. Cause they know they are, therefore others will recognize. Most of the chicks have a man that love every fiber of them.
Every day we are judged out in this world, therefore it’s critical for one to believe in themselves. There will ALWAYS be someone who doesn’t think as highly as you as you or someone else does. That’s their loss. They shouldn’t stop your happiness, or how you view yourself.
@V Renee,
“ITS CALLED ‘SELF ESTEEM’ ESTEEM OF YO MOTHER FULCKIN SELF”
Katt Williams
@WuDaMan,
Your right it = not a joke. You are not embracing the truth of the post though. Just cuz you get an A in Science it does not erase the F you got in phys ed. You are just mad @ society for extolling and lifting up the phys ed. harbingers. That’s who you got a real bovine disparagement with. (disclamer Panama was the principal of this school for this list. So it’s who he deems worthy. So if Panama is the be all and end all of who you deem beautiful. So be it. That means put on a smile and be nice if you don’t fit his criteria. Shyt who said Panama speaks for everyone.)
if this reply was a lemon, i wouldnt even use it to make lemonade. i’d just let it sit there, and marvel in its lemoney glory
@The Champ,
You so stoopit!
two things:
1. for those getting all holier-than-thou about this entry, EVERYBODY has a mental physical attractiveness scale in their heads. everybody. no exceptions. none of us live in a vacuum, and comparing and contrasting things (ie: the ability to reason) is part of what makes us human
whether its something as rudimentary as “hot or not?” or it’s something involving maps, manifests, metrics, and matrices, we all do it. its just that virtual panties seem to get bunched when someone assigns actual numbers and faces to their words. as far as p’s scale…its p’s scale, not everyones. lol…this aint no community scale. its his, and he’s allowed to make his own judgments. its pretty audacious to suggest to someone how attractive they should find someone, just because it might hurt a feeling or two
2. because posting a scale (with assigned faces) is such a lightening rod, people are missing the point of the entry, which is that your level attractiveness to the opposite sex has a way of dictating what you are and arent “allowed” to do.
also, we (men) AREN’T the only ones that think this way, lol…so please save the hypocrisy. maybe you don’t like the tone of this entry, but how is this concept any different from a woman complaining about the toothless midget at the club who had the audacity to holler, or a chick admitting to giving certain allowances to men with big d’s? in each case, the level of physical/sexual attraction frames a response.
@The Champ,
You can say whatever you like in defense of this post, however it is EXACTLY what has people saying Michelle Obama is ugly, or even Tamika Raymond. These women are regular black women and they get a bad rap for not being Christina Milan or whomever you hands throb for. Black people have a hard enough time finding beauty in themselves for you guys to be promoting it. Yes, a list exists IN OUR MINDS… leave it there.
@lol@thisstupidpost,
stop trying to turn this into some colorstruck conspiracy theory post. gotdamn. it can’t be shiny happy people all the time making sure we have every shade of black people repped on sh*t like this. do u know how many hues of negroes there are? what’s next, why aren’t the albinos on the list? sitchoazzdown.
@lol@thistupidcommentator,
the color thing was just something i noticed within the list. glad you picked up on it yourself. you are right to say there are many shades of negro… funny how the lighter one always end up on top.
@lol@thisstupidpost,
thing is, who is anybody to decide what another person finds attractive??? also, when was the conference held where we all decided that all brown or dark-brown skinned women are automatically attractive just because they’re brown or dark-brown skinned? personally, i think michelle obama is an attractive woman. also, i personally think that tamika raymond reminds me of my middle school gym teacher. neither have anything to do with their complexion, and everything to do with whether or not i personally find them attractive. thats it. its just about men (or whatever other guy) or them, lol. a person finding tamika raymond unattractive has absolutely nothing to do with keri hilson or christina milan.
and regarding this:
“Yes, a list exists IN OUR MINDS… leave it there.”
sh*t, how can we have honest and open discussions about things if people are scared to be honest about the most honest human quality (physical attraction)?
our tagline states:
verysmartbrothas.com is not for the easily squeamish or the aggressively unintelligent. it will prod, pick, probe, and challenge, debunking common misconceptions while conceiving new ideas and theories.
if you can’t handle that, then bounce.
welcome, btw.
@The Champ,
Its not that i can’t handle it, but people are always trying to put women in their place based on a contrived number system.
Usually you guys have an interesting take, but read up on girls (esp. of color) self esteem issues and you might find out why lists like this cause problems.
@lol@thisstupidpost,
I would tend to agree..but alot of times women fall right in line with the average whats hot whats and whats not (even begrudgingly-sp?)…since truth be told (gay men and white women) dictate all of what trickles down from vogue to main street..when are WE as in BLACK women going to start to speak up about what beauty IS and what it CAN BE.
resounding co-signage..usually have men taking a second look anyway.
@The Champ,
*PBG been gone for a minute but I’m back up in it*
What I’m REALLY lol’in @ is all this punk azz anonymity! Talkin’ shyt and hiding your identity? Whew…the game done changed…A LOT! LMAO!!
Dear Commentator Who Thinks This Is A Stupid Post:
I personally think this post is idiotic as hell (as is most of the shyt PJ posts…sorry, PJ. Love u like a play cousin-in-law, but you be like Prince in Purple Rain on your posts), but I just keep it moving. I rarely lend much credence to men under 30 flappin’ their gums anyway. They’re still “finding themselves”. Gotta take it w/a grain of salt. Let the VSB’s have their fun. That’s how they learn, effin’ around, sayin’ janky shyt and making mistakes.
OK, I’m gone again. May BBJ and Glitter be w/you all.
*poof*
@The Champ
I SOOOOO agree. I can’t understand why people are getting so sensitive. We all rank people. Who cares. If you’re confident with who you are who cares what anyone else thinks. You think Michelle Obama gives a phuck about what anyone says about her looks – H3ll Naw!! She’s confident in who she is. Besides she has a fine a$$ man on her arms who loves her.
@V Renee,
People forget that it’s all and has always been about perspective.
This is Panama’s perspective. And so be it. The rest is just about how we approach things as adults.
@The Champ,
i agree with both of you on this case, cuz hell, ain’t my problem who he considers sexy or not. but i find it ironic especially when you guys post about the fact that light skinned chicks just get more props over their darker counterparts. and this is case in point.
@The Champ,
i don’t care if people do not agree. this type of conversation makes people feel like they cannot or should not be attracted to people who are 3 or 4′s. conversations like this point fingers and laugh behind closed doors, and really don’t welcome a fair conversation. what dogging people who were born looking a certain way. its just juvenile. if you were born looking like your 1′s or 2′s how can you change that? will a conversation do it? NOPE. you can’t change your nose or eyes or lips so i just find these types of attacks on beauty inane.
why couldnt you do a post on something like, chicks that gets a bad rap on beauty but are wifey material?
@lol@thisstupidpost,
Folks who follow this blog do so b/c they can appreciate the perspective of the writers.
…if u don’t, u could always start ur own.
@Resident GRitS, Very good. ***hand claps ***
@Nicki Sunshine,
I appreciate VSB on the daily. Their humor is usually on target and VERY funny. It isn’t the ranking that is bothersome, but what you should do IF you aren’t impossibly gorgeous like the cliched ranking of Halle Berry as a 10.
But what is really ironic here is that if I don’t agree, I should ‘get my own blog’ or ‘bounce’. Comments are for opinions, no?
@lol@thisstupidpost,
If you’ve followed the blog for a while, you’ll realize that Panama is very tongue-in-cheek.
Also, I don’t believe there is any 14 year old girl reading this site (or at least I hope not), we all seem to be adults. What Panama says is very unlikely to have any bearing on the way we see/approach life, I would hope.
@lol@thisstupidpost, IMHO, no one is impossibly gorgeous.
@lol@thisstupidpost,
why couldnt you do a post on something like, chicks that gets a bad rap on beauty but are wifey material?
because he didnt, lol. that might be tomorrow’s entry…and it might not be. he chose to write about this topic today because thats what he felt like writing about.
we do take suggestions though. wait, lemme rephrase that, we do listen to suggestions though.
oh, and btw, nobody wants you to bounce. all i was saying is that if the subject matter is too hurtful or controversial, you’re not forced to stay here, lol. we aint google, we’re not gonna steal all of your personal info or something if you leave.
@The Champ,
I would have to agree with the Champ.
I too have given a pass to troll looking, gap tooth monster cause he has a bangin body and some gold d*ck. I’m just being honest.
@mssmtaylor,
Second!
Of course I regretted it later because he had a monster of an ego. But that’s beside the point.
@The Champ,
LOL did some entries strike a nerve with you, Champ?? sensitive much?? it’s cute you’re standing up for your fellow VSB—way ta hold it down.
but let’s be for real. from what i’ve read, most ppl (the VSSs particularly) seem to have a problem with ways one should act in accordance to their ranking. this…
-Be nice. You won’t get married if you’re not. Especially if you’re not famous.
-Stop pretending that you look good in anything. You don’t. Just read more, it’s your only chance to not always be the busted chick who’s just barely ugly.
i mean really?? i’m hoping this was done in jest but, as seen with the NYP chimp cartoon, this could be offensive to some and i see justification. esp if ppl see themselves on the same scale as say Kimberly Elise (ranked as a 4). i think the rankings of the celebrities PJ posted just fuels the fire of how he thinks each ranking should act and be treated. just becuz some one isn’t attractive to others they shouldn’t have any self worth or speak when not spoken to?? i can see why ppl would look at this with a side eye, even if it’s just for kicks and giggles. but apparently very FEW ppl found it funny, go figure.
basically, it’s admirable that you are trying to clear the air and deliver reality checks, but you can’t really control the emotional and visceral responses ppl have to what they see/read. ask Al Sharpton.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Oh, Lawd – thank you for Gem. She has just snatched the thoughts from my head and put them in a post.
Dear gemmy,
maybe if you stopped speaking my mind i’d come around more.
love,
e-twin
lol i love you e-twin. i’ll stop speaking your mind so you come around more. i miss you *tear*
@ Champ
Would you tell me how to get this cool green glow around my posts?
Wow, so for the first time ever it pains me to say this…the brothas of VSM aren’t so smart after all.
I agree with the explanation under each number…but the choices you made in ranking these women was heartbreaking. I’m gonna leave it at that…because we all have our own standards of beauty.
I’m just a little saddened by yours.
@Teacia,
vsm?
@The Champ,
lol. “Maize…you call it corn”
I wonder what she types into the url??
WOW some people are truly upset at this post. It’s not that serious is it? We talk about people all the time on this site…..why the big deal about this one??
All I want to know is why Rain Pryor didn’t make the list? She’s easily a 10.
@V Renee,
You can’t be serious.
@Humble_One,
Nah she aint serious lol
@V Renee,
“All I want to know is why Rain Pryor didn’t make the list? She’s easily a 10.”
*crying*
@V Renee,
Ryan Pryor.. is that you girl?
@V Renee,
I was just talking about Rain yesterday. I didnt even know who she was before I started reading this site.
@V Renee,
All I want to know is why Rain Pryor didn’t make the list? She’s easily a 10.
Time of Death: as soon as I read the above. Jesus be some strength.
@V Renee,
co-to the mickyficky-sign!
@ V Renee
I’m going to pray for my soul because I laughed until I cried at that.
Man Panama It’s like you dropped a thermite reaction into an oil refinery’s catalytic cracker. Or filled a fire truck w/ gasoline and responded to a 911 fire call @ an Oxygen distillery… Love it mayne not just for the list but the principle involved.
I mean taking off of the awesome Maverick’s guest post. We just want to be happy. Keep a permagrin on our face. How do we do that w/ nothing other than the simple things that bring that to us.
Like being treated like a king. Women of the South know the value of this, or seeing a pretty face.
I remember walking down the street downtown Illadelph. I saw a pretty woman. A reflex reaction I smiled. I had my busy/blank face on before I noticed her. This may be why or what a smile actually tells other people that you approve of the beauty in their face. (I could jump off into some evolutionary shyt but no. Not right now)
Great faulking job Panama. **Two thumbs up and a squeeze of citrus oil from the peel of my breakfast tangerine onto the blazing inferno that Panama started** We here w/it. I think **deuces before the eyes undulating to n fro**
@WuDaMan,
“(I could jump off into some evolutionary shyt but no. Not right now) ”
Oh come on now…you might as well…lol
@miss t-lee,
Alright here it goes. Since Panama started in w/ the ‘Darwin speak’.
In more primitive times human kind was nomadic. This could be problematic; one family in the tribe might want to stay behind, or go to a different place. So separating could end up happening. So identifying marks (phonotypical traits) became Tribal markers. Now they were markers that let you know both where you belong and where you don’t belong. Friends or foes?
I mean if you had to use these markers, and found some of your friends. It would be followed by a family reunion. The converse could mean fight or flight time.
@WuDaMan,
I had to read this twice, but I think I got the gist.
Ya know, I’ve come to appreciate WuDaMan’s thoughts…he’s like Ghostface Killa to VSB’s Wu-Tang. In all his intricate verbiage there’s a message and after a couple of run-throughs you understand what he means.
@AkShone,
Word.Life.
@WuDaMan,
It’s like you dropped a thermite reaction into an oil refinery’s catalytic cracker. Or filled a fire truck w/ gasoline and responded to a 911 fire call @ an Oxygen distillery…
This sentence just made my nether regions all tingly and ish. Mmmmm, words are beautiful thing.
All my VSB & VSS movie buffs, has anyone ever noticed that every . . . and I mean EVERY movie that Kimberly Elise plays in she cries? It’s like crying is a prerequisite for her landing any movie role.
Me and wifey refer to her as the cry-baby and shyt.
@eff yo couch,
She does cry alot…I never really thought about it until now.
Good point and ish.
@miss t-lee,
Trust me every movie I’ve seen her in, even when she plays small role, she always crying. My purpose in life is to find a “blunt that won’t make me choke” and a movie where Kimberly Elise doesn’t cry
ps – 10 cool points for anyone can identify the song where the “blunt” reference came from. lol
yeah man, she always plays the victim… who cries incessantly.
PJ- To satisfy the people, maybe you should think add some dark skinned chicks to the top of the list.
I nominate Lauryn Hill pre-clown days. She was EASILY a 9/10.
@V Renee,
hahahahahahaha I do not wanna get fired on a Tuesday.
I was going to advocate that some of these 9′s and dime pieces should have the rug pulled out from under ‘em, but these Debbie Downers and Cap’n Save a Ho(ney)s are making a mockery of a funny post.
*pours out some Red Stripe*
@WestIndianArchie,
I am in agreeance with you dear Sir. I, too, was going to discuss the validity of some of P’s picks but got the energy sucked out of me.
@Sula,
Word. It’s like an AA meeting in here today. Everyone’s all righteous and indignant and ish. Sigh. I don’t even think the core issue of the post has been addressed.
Plus, I still don’t understand how people keep arguing against people’s preferences. Seriously. Someone’s likes and dislikes shouldn’t validate/invalidate your existence. Fo Relaaz yo, this ish is bananas.
@ofloveandotherdemons,
yup.
Hello VSB…long time no…um…write or respond…oh well. Anyway, this is just mean. Ugly people, i.e. 1′s – 3′s need love too. And Sanaa is a 7? I think she’s prettier than Gabrielle. But this is your blog….so do you.
I havent read all the comments, so excuse me if I repeat this question. If a 6-10 is holla’d at by a 1 or 2 or a 0.5, do they have a right to say…”Excuse me have you seen yourself in the mirror? You are a cross between a troll, a gremlin and a ogre and you tryna holla at me. Well I never!!!” and glide away, nose in the air, shades on!! This has happened to me twice and I am starting to reevaluate my looks if the bridge dwellers feel confident enough to step and actually try and spit game. Im confused.
@Miss Abcde A-Lexus,
Nope, men usually think they are more visually appealing than they actually are. And the ones that don’t just evaluate themselves by other criteria (the ones that make them feel better).
I mean, look at the Dream and Christina Milian. And,do you really think Robin Thicke is hangin with Paula Patton in the looks dept? And she was with him before the money!
@Me fail english?,
Ok here is where I got to disagree…Dream is a cute average looking brotha. Without smiling he is easily a 6 and with smiling a 6.5 cause of those cutesy-pie dimples of his. If he could lose a bit of the baby fat, I bet he could easily be an 8. Robin Thicke, now was about a 5 with that long hippy, hair style he had when he first debut-ed. Now that he has cut his hair and gained some r-n-b swagger he is easily an 8.5. They both deserve to be with beautiful women.
@Miss Abcde A-Lexus,
Actually guys get rejected by women all the time.
@Miss Abcde A-Lexus,
“bridge dwellers”
LMBAO
@ Panama
Either you have high standards or my standards are very low. Okay I know my atandards are low but come on P!
I haven’t read all the comments but the ones that I did read had the ladies of VSB asking questions about ranking. So why not this friday we do a VSB ranking, where everyone links a picture of themselves and we rank them . . .give it to them raw . . .the truth that is. Good idea?
@eff yo couch,
I love that idea.
that would be some friday fun alright lol
@eff yo couch,
WTF? Why are people so caught up in this? Is self-esteem really this low nowadays?
I’m trying to imagine an alternate universe where I would actually give a damn about some random folks opinion about my looks/personality when I am not trying to get with them. I just cant imagine really caring that damn much to upload photos of myself to see what people have to say.
For me, the only opinions that matter about my looks are the guys I’m interested in. I dont understand why it matters to other people.
@eff yo couch,
…it’s going to be difficult being impartial if we’re all ranking ourselves, isn’t it?
@eff yo couch,
Bwahahaha! Now that would be funny.
@eff yo couch,
So why not this friday we do a VSB ranking, where everyone links a picture of themselves and we rank them . . .give it to them raw . . .the truth that is. Good idea?
terrible idea, lol. trust me.
in the pantheon of “bad ideas”, this idea is right up there with “pulling a “kobe” on a newark hooker” and “bobby jindal”.
@The Champ,
Could be fun to see who posts fake, or purposely misleading pics…
@Me fail english?,
how would you ever find out though?
@lulu,
I’m sure that some random lurker would be like “Cousin Tanya??? That you?” or smthg and then that poster would have to start using a new handle. I’ve seen it happen in these internet skreets.
As for the flattering angles, sometimes it’s obvious (they take dark, far away pics with baseball cap on and only revealing the left side of their face) I wouldn’t have the cojones to call anyone out tho
@The Champ,
You’re thinking this would cause drama?
@eff yo couch,
I love the VSBs… so tongue-in-cheek (voted word of the day by the way.
)
in the pantheon of “bad ideas”, this idea is right up there with “pulling a “kobe” on a newark hooker” and “bobby jindal”
lmao! so true. terrible idea for vsb and the rnc.
“Let’s say you’re a 3 on a 10 point scale, but you galavant around like you’re an 8.”
How dare these less-pretty women have any self-esteem!
At Seventeen (Janis Ian)
I learned the truth at seventeen
That love was meant for beauty queens
And high school girls with clear skinned smiles
Who married young and then retired
The valentines I never knew
The Friday night charades of youth
Were spent on one more beautiful
At seventeen I learned the truth
And those of us with ravaged faces
Lacking in the social graces
Desperately remained at home
Inventing lovers on the phone
Who called to say come dance with me
And murmured vague obscenities
It isn’t all it seems
At seventeen
A brown eyed girl in hand me downs
Whose name I never could pronounce
Said, pity please the ones who serve
They only get what they deserve
The rich relationed hometown queen
Married into what she needs
A guarantee of company
And haven for the elderly
Remember those who win the game
Lose the love they sought to gain
Indebentures of quality
And dubious integrity
Their small town eyes will gape at you
In dull surprise when payment due
Exceeds accounts received
At seventeen
To those of us who know the pain
Of valentines that never came
And those whose names were never called
When choosing sides for basketball
It was long ago and far away
The world was younger than today
And dreams were all they gave for free
To ugly duckling girls like me
We all play the game and when we dare
To cheat ourselves at solitaire
Inventing lovers on the phone
Repenting other lives unknown
That call and say, come dance with me
And murmur vague obscenities
At ugly girls like me
At seventeen
@buh_buh_hotep,
…that was exquisitely depressing.
@Resident GRitS,
*cosign*
I may need a Zoloft…
@Resident GRitS,
It’s a relaxing, simple tune, though.
I like the poetry and the economy of the words.
Subtle but meaningful lyrics generally improve a melody. I notice thoughtful lyrics.
Never understood the bit about “…when payment due/Exceeds accounts received/At seventeen.”
@buh_buh_hotep,
But isn’t that the role of parents? Aren’t we asking too much of pop culture to raise our children for us? I agree that the images have an effect on young minds and psyches but that’s why kids need guidance until they are at least 18.
psss…VSS, your insecurities are showing
@Dorian G.,
n slips n hands n all the other symbolic stuff that shows character flaws.
Reminds me of an addage. ‘if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs the only one that will yelp is the one that got hit.’ Just saying.
@WuDaMan, “Reminds me of an addage. ‘if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs the only one that will yelp is the one that got hit.’ Just saying.”
I’m crying!!!! I have never heard this one before. lol
@Nicki Sunshine,
I have it. I’ve heard it referenced as a “the hit dog is the only one that will hollah”.
Gotta love my MawMaw.
@WuDaMan,
Where do you get that stuff from Wuda??
@Sula,
My teacher told it to the class when he used to say this other phrase that got him in trouble w/ the females in the class. ‘good enough for the girls we go out with’. Meaning the value is of par enough quality. But oh no it was too harsh even though my female engineering classmates were lets say looking a whole lot like the guys in the class.
@WuDaMan,
I love any adage that involves “throwing rocks”. And it’s generally true. The exception to the rule is the justice league (that sounds so much better than right-fighter, or busybody) folk who will argue whenever they sniff out some impropriety.
But back to the yelping dogs…AHAHAHAHA!
@Dorian G.,
Some VSBs are pushing back.
It’s not exclusively women who dislike the tone of the post.
@buh_buh_hotep,
But its retarded to get mad or offended at this post. Its like you listing bum players from the NBA and me getting offended like if Deshawn Stevenson is a bum, then what am I?????? or better yet, I’ve noticed all the players you listed as “bums” went to college, what are you saying about college?????
that’s becuz ugly/bummy/whack dudes never seem to self reflect or “know their role” as their physical rank would dictate. women wear their insecurities on their sleeves. ugmo dudes seem outwardly OK in their unattractiveness—esp if they have money, nice car, good job, etc.
@Dorian G.,
Not really, to your analogy. Because there is no long, historical precedent of ranking basketball players on any factors other than what it takes to play ball. Also, those characteristics that are unrelated to playing ball are not trumpeted as a reason for treating the ball players with disdain and disrespect or as second class citizens.
Further, attending college hasn’t been linked with being a bum player in the NBA countless times, nor has that message resonated with the public and been reinforced for years and years.
I wasn’t personally offended by the post, in fact I laughed about it. But I can’t see why you guys think its the craziest thing ever that some people don’t see the humor in a post that basically reduces a woman’s worth and right to self-respect to her physical appearance. That’s kinda what makes this post so funny. That it’s not something oft-uttered and therefore controversial.
As the chief queen Duvet wet blanket heiress of the world..i must comment.
I should preface this by saying I heart VSB..but I just have a really hard time as a woman reading highly public and beautiful black women ranked.
And for those of us who’ve been told from time to time we favor someone catogrized as a “6″ ….its hard to hear.
I’ll get over it though LOL..
The bottom line for us women is to know that beauty is relative. Not EVERYONE is going to love you. What one man adores another will not dig..that is a certainty.
but luckily when you find the lid..it will fit…
you perfectly.
amen.
@Princess Duvet aka “The Princess Has Spoken”,
“someone catogrized as a “6?” ON THIS POST.
@Princess Duvet aka “The Princess Has Spoken”
“The bottom line for us women is to know that beauty is relative. Not EVERYONE is going to love you. What one man adores another will not dig..that is a certainty.”
EXACTLY!
@Princess Duvet aka “The Princess Has Spoken”,
“The bottom line for us women is to know that beauty is relative. Not EVERYONE is going to love you. What one man adores another will not dig..that is a certainty.”
Mayne…you put this down right here.
*gold star*
@Princess Duvet aka “The Princess Has Spoken”
“The bottom line for us women is to know that beauty is relative. Not EVERYONE is going to love you. What one man adores another will not dig..that is a certainty.”
I totally agree. Not to sound cliche, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone is not going to like you. End of story.
I think people are making a much bigger deal than necessary about Panama’s choice of women. I’m sure if he didn’t equate a face with the rank, there would not be as many issues. We all have personal preferences and rank according to those preferences. Chill out. It’s not that deep.
What some men don’t seem to realize is that, usually, the 1-3′s don’t want yall -1.2 (yes, that’s negative) azz-es anyway!!! Believe me, I’ve seen it with my own eyes. They GOT options.
I consider myself an 8 by the way. Even if everyone else in the world doesn’t.
Naw, eff it…I’ma 10!!
@nia,
“Naw, eff it…I’ma 10″
Sats…and Most Fridays me too ..
gotta believe it to achieve it. LOL..
@nia,
“What some men don’t seem to realize is that, usually, the 1-3’s don’t want yall -1.2 (yes, that’s negative) azz-es anyway!!! Believe me, I’ve seen it with my own eyes. They GOT options.”
This is also true. I’m always pretty hard-pressed to find a woman that I’d put in the 1-3 category (relaxed standards?) but I have a female cousin that stands 6’2 with facial hair and she always has a CUTE boyfriend. She’s an a*hole to boot!
@Dorian G.,
“Its like you listing bum players from the NBA and me getting offended like if Deshawn Stevenson is a bum, then what am I? ”
My brotha, no disrespect, but there really isn’t much logic to your argument. It’s what we call a red herring fallacy: meaning an argument given in response to another argument, which does not address the original issue.
Comparing basketball skills with the willful degradation of women of African descent smacks of ignorance.
@Champ, I’m not “holier than thou”. My earlier comments weren’t meant to somehow separate my actions with yours – I too am guilty. I’ve dated dark and light-skinned women, white and black, latino and asian – but I still have a fundamental respect for all women of color.
Black women have suffered discrimination at a much higher rate than any other group in US society. Though much of that has come from the socio-economic majority, black men have been the most consistent perpetrators, historically.
I can’t deny it – I love hip hop. I’ve been listening to it since the early 80′s. However, isn’t it problematic that black women are portrayed as loose, slutty, promiscuous creatures worthy only of our sexual attention?
@Gem of the Ocean, I’m not using whites or latinos, or anyone else as a measuring stick – you’re right we need to do the right thing regardless of what other groups do. However, a relative perspective is always useful – I’ve yet to hear a country song call a white woman a b#$ch or a hoe, or tell her to “get on her knees and suck on these”.
The post is funny – until you consider the deeper, fundamental problems that it exposes in the treatment of women of African descent.
JR
@Jack.Ryan,
Black women have suffered discrimination at a much higher rate than any other group in US society. Though much of that has come from the socio-economic majority, black men have been the most consistent perpetrators, historically.
I can’t deny it – I love hip hop. I’ve been listening to it since the early 80’s. However, isn’t it problematic that black women are portrayed as loose, slutty, promiscuous creatures worthy only of our sexual attention
this is true, but again…what does it have to do with the entry at hand? i mean, p’s point would have been the exact same if he substituted lindsey lohan and monica belluci(sp?) for elise neal and halle berry. its not about black women. sh*t, its really not even about women per se. its about how your behavior scale should correspond with your attractive scale…thats it.
My question though is: is there a police out there to arrest an a$$hole 3 who thinks she’s an 8?
No? None?
Sh!t then, a$$hole 3 I say DO YOU darling!
That’s all… Carry on.
@Sula,
Ooooh, I heart you.
@ofloveandotherdemons,
I heart you too Darl!
*sigh*
While I don’t agree with all of the rankings, i.e. I think Sanaa is prettier than Gabby (although I think Gabby is pretty) and Christina Milian is gorgeous, etc. I get the overall point of the post and I’m not sweating it because beauty is sooooooo subjective and this is just one man’s opinion.
In theory I can see why some folks might be upset about it but it’s really not that serious and not the discussion that we are having here today. These women are being used to illustrate a point. Now if we were having a discussion on race with regards to beauty, how we are viewed as a people in society as a whole, then okay. But that’s not what today is about.
Another reason I don’t see the need to get my pressuh up about it is because women do the SAME THING. It may not be a numbers based system but come on…We may not have elaborate systems like our VSBs that hinge on face, body (separate and as a whole) hair, or whatever other statistical equation they can come up with but we definitely have our standards, the type of guy we are attracted to and all that jazz.
For example, I think Idris is hot. I think Boris is hotter. Reggie gave me whole ‘nother reason to pay attention to the Saints and I’m from NO. But Method Man could get it RIGHT NAH. And that’s me.
In high school, my bff and I stumbled upon this rating system just joking around one day and it was the way errbody got rated for a long time. It was called the shelf system. This one guy we went to school with was just that d@mn pretty. One day we were joking around talking about him (and he was mad cool) and I was like, I could just put him on a shelf and just look at his @ss all day. And thus the shelf was born. How attractive you were compared to this dude determined what level of the shelf you were on: first, second, third? Sitting on the bottom row gathering dust? Prime position on top of the shelf? Then one dude who came in the next year and put them all to shame. We called him The Carpenter. Why? He was so d@mn fine, he built the shelf.
The point is, we all…well most of us on the site are black (and those of you who aren’t are at least aware) and we all know the skin color/facial and body features issues that plague us as a people. And that’s hard enough as it is. Let’s not drag down the convo with something that it was not meant to be. We all have our preferences and we all are attracted to different things. And just because your preferences may be different, do not act like we all do not have some sort of ideal of what is attractive TO US. For some, yes, that does play into the politics of race and stereotypes, a la the woman/man that only dates _______ because (s)he had a bad run in with ____________ but I really don’t think that was PJ’s intention.
@SouthernGirl,
Then one dude who came in the next year and put them all to shame. We called him The Carpenter
the carpenter is a great nickname. in fact, the next time i go nickname hunting, i think i’m gonna consider it
I’m sorry, maybe I’m the minority here but Halle Berry is VASTLY overrated. Yes she looks good and she’s sexy FOR HER AGE (she’s 41) But a 10??? Can’t approve that message. She was a ten 10 yrs ago..hell maybe even 5 yrs ago, but now. She gets a solid 8 on my scale.
But I have another bone to pick wit tha list…
PJ, where’s my baby Mya? The gurl is almost flawless to me. Sexy, fine and talented. That’s a 9 on my scale. Had to deduct a point for her industry hoe-ness. And what about Aliayah? (RIP).
@Tx10inch,
I always wondered what it was that made some people go way higher on the scale than they deserve? Halle seems like a cool chick so I’d imagined that elevates her standing.
But what is Will Smith’s excuse? Djimon Honsou? Reggie Bush? Denzel? These dudes wouldn’t even turn my head if I spotted them in the mall. (Okay, that’s a lie. I’d break my neck for a shirtless Djimon!). I would think Reggie is cute, but nothing special. The rest look like someone’s dad to me.
@Me fail english?,
I heard that Reggie is illiterate. He dropped from a 10 to a 2 based on that criteria.
@chaoticdiva,
LOL! No wonder he was video-chatting with Kim Kardashian!
hahahahhaha
I saw that episode….
@chaoticdiva,
For real? He was pulling a Fantasia?
Dayum!
Reading truly is fundamental children…lol
@chaoticdiva,
LMBAO. I wouldn’t doubt it. For some reason he looks like a mute to me. Like instead of talking all he does is grunt.
@chaoticdiva,
LOL! Straight up? Normally I wouldn’t laugh at illiteracy, but this was just so random!
@nia,
“Normally I wouldn’t laugh at illiteracy”
another t-shirt
@The Champ,
Oh snap!! that is a killer t-shirt
@Me fail english?,
OMG, I’d straight let Denzel have it wit his old azz.
@mssmtaylor
ME TOO!!! I bet he’s great in bed too. Like he really knows a woman’s body.
::squeezing legs together::
His daddy fine too.
@Tx10inch,
But I have another bone to pick wit tha list…
PJ, where’s my baby Mya? The gurl is almost flawless to me.
Everybody would have a bone to pick with everybody’s list really coz it’s all about that person’s opinion.
Having said all that, Mya is nowhere near a 10 or even 10 adjacent (she looks like a wet mouse)! Now Aaliyah on the other hand, you have a point there!
@YGB,
Blasphemy!!!
Thou shalt not speak of Mya any disrespectful manner.
@Tx10inch,
*in any disrespectful manner.
typin too fast…lol
@YGB
Yeah mya does look like a mouse. A kind of cute one, but a rat, I mean mouse nonetheless.
@V Renee,
I’m done
@Tx10inch, First of all, Mya fcuk my classmate in H.S. He was a ball player, but rode the bench all FIVE years! (He had game) and two if Angela Bassett can still be a ten(which she is), then why can’t Halle (I hit people with my car) Berry?
@Toussaintthefree,
I deducted a point off for the rumors of her industry-hoe ness didn’t I?..Work wit me here.
how would you rank me, e-boo??????
@Gem of the Ocean,
You a dolla worth of dimes e-boo..
*blushing* ohhh e-boo you flatter me so *batting eyelashes*
@Tx10inch, I *think* Mya gets overlooked because she has a very huge mouth (not lips). And if she gets a tan to being darker than a paper bag, she’d just be reguluh.
@Hostess,
@Tx10inch, I *think* Mya gets overlooked because she has a very huge mouth (not lips).
This is a bad thing right??
@Tx10inch,
Bwahahaha!
I guess at 10 inch, it’s a desirable thing…
@Sula,
Good observation..lol
*dead*
You know who I think is gorgeous,but never mentioned Wakeema Hollis,
she’s like, my girl crush.lol
@JamieJJS,
I loove Wakeema, her and her little curly fro.
Am I the only person finding this article as entertaining? I mean seriously, why would I give a flying fcuk about what some internet person thinks about beauty when I don’t see them in person. And if I don’t actually agree with their statements, then I can just move it along, like a normal adult.
So for those of you (lol@thisstupidpost), who have nothing better to do than troll the net looking for self validation within posting anonymous posts about how something you don’t agree with or find interesting is stupid and offensive….maybe you should find something more constructive to do. After all, there are millions of children in inner city areas that DO need help building their self esteem and with their schoolwork that you could be aiding since you feel so strongly about influences on people.
*steps off soap box*
@chaoticdiva,
You are quite right – hemming and hawing about x, y, & z doesn’t make the US, especially the socioeconomically challenged areas any better or more viable.
http://www.tntp.org/teach.html
I took out time a couple of years ago to teach in an underdeveloped school with at-risk kids – seeing how these young men are repeating the mistakes of older generations is what gets me into such an uproar about how black women are portrayed and treated.
@chaoticdiva,
this blog is about discussion. if the statements of the post invoke ppl to have ill feelings or responses, aren’t they entitled?? VSB (and American) is all about free speech right?? everyone is entitled to their opinions and thoughts and feelings. i think a lot of ppl brought up valid points that are worth discussing, regardless of if it was in the spirit of the so-called humor this post was perhaps supposed to spark or not. if everyone just laughed at the post and said “yeah man, you’re right”, VSB would be a very boorrrrrring place. expecting ppl to NOT take offense or have any negative feelings towards views that express forms of misogyny or ill treatment of others based on their looks is ridiculous and unrealistic.
though i will say that i (personally) don’t buy the whole argument that PJ is very “tongue-in-cheek” with his rhetoric and that EVERYBODY should just know when he’s trying to be funny. becuz the truth of the matter is (a) not everybody who reads this site has been following for a long time and (b) a history of posts written for entertainment value only (with little seriousness) doesn’t necessarily have baring on the current situation. furthermore, just becuz it was MEANT to be taken jokingly doesn’t mean it WILL BE. esp if it has struck so many nerves more than tickled funny bones.
i hope the VSBs are very aware of this, and if they are the VSBs we assume them to be, they own it and recognize the repercussions and backlash this post has garnered. lessons may have been learned from the discourse sparked here today… and the world, indeed, will continue to rotate on its axis.
@Gem of the Ocean,
x_________
Tx10inch
I cosign this message.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Damn, I wish I was this articulate. Like the Gloria Allred of this VSB sh!t
And yeah, the people volleying over the deep stuff was the most interesting part of the discussions today. (My boss is out)
not to mention those who have seen Panama in person. He’s not a looker and couldn’t score half the women on his list. The only thing that “saved” him was his mouth and gift of gab. He’s not cute at all.
aww…i feel so loved. thanks for clarifying how i’ve made it thus far in life.
funny, you feel free to throw shots but are too bitchmade to put your name or at least some signifier for me to know who you are. i mean, since you’ve seen me in person and know that i’m not a looker at all (which is fine, everybody’s subject to their own opinion – viva la opinion), i’m guessing you’ve either spoken to me before or i know you in some capacity, yet you decide to hid behind a fake moniker. c’mon kicko…
but you could very well be right, i’m not cute at all. that’s cool. once again…i’ll be that.
I need everyone to grow some.
Clearly this is a joke.
no, Liz, it’s CLEARLY not. if it were, we wouldn’t even be addressing many of these issues.
what’s the point of having intelligent discourse if every time some one disagrees with a VSB they are always told to just “grow”?? the only way to grow is to work through the issues that are blocking progress in the first place.
@Gem of the Ocean
Why don’t people become advocates for midgets when we talk about them?
No but seriously, I personally hate when people try to turn topics into a whole light skin versus dark skin issue. I’ve read many comments that suggested only light skin people are ranked high and that argument gets old after awhile.
And there is some hyprocrisy in the criticism. It’s okay to talk about ugly people on the regular, but let their be a ranking of whom he deems attractive and feelings get hurt. I guess I can see how some may get offended with the comments along with the rankings, but if someone can’t determine that’s a joke, then they may not need to be here.
@V Renee,
that depends….are the “little people” light skinned or dark skinned?
*snicker*
@SouthernGirl,
*chortles*
@V Renee,
I’ve read many comments that suggested only light skin people are ranked high and that argument gets old after awhile.
Yes, it does. And like you said, why is it ok to do say Rain Pryor is ugly (at length) and then disagree that they may be a ranking? How did we determine that she was ugly if there is no ranking?
And who gets up in arms when women state quite often and quite lightly that they won’t date a light-skinned men?
As a darker than dark woman, I’m just over the whole argument at this point. Kenya Moore is gorgeous so is Naomi Campbell, so is Halle Berry, so is Beyonce. Skin tone ain’t got nothing to do with anything. It’s all in the symmetry y’all.
1. speaking for myself, i don’t excuse the maltreatment of ANYONE based on how they look. period. as i’ve mentioned up thread previously.
2. i’ve made no reference to the light vs. dark situation. that’s not a bone i’ve picked or addressed yet there are color complexes in the black community that are alive and well and i think ppl bringing it up is valid for discussion. if you disagree with other ppl’s comments about it, you’re entitled.
3. whether or not one can determine a joke is not relevant. joking about some one who is deemed low on the attractive rating scale and being told to shut the eff up is NOT funny to me and many other ppl reading this blog. joke or not. its ppl’s prerogative to NOT agree with the bloggers on EVERY single detail. but i can honestly say, if comments posted in this blog are deemed as humor without recognizing the adverse denotations or connotations it has, then i (for one) may not continue to be here.
@Gem of the Ocean, this is not therapy. They might be running some recession sales on therapy though, if you need to look into it.
Honestly, what do you guys want from P? To make you feel good? To take a political stance and make everyone happy? He’s not running for office. he’s not captain save a ho. While you might think he is superhuman, he’s just a man with an opinion and a website to write it on. Get a grip.
P.S. Intelligent discourse doesn’t mean we all need to be shiny happy people and stay PC–unless of course we are all running for office.
P.P.S. P ain’t sh*t no how. I still love him.
@Liz,
“Intelligent discourse doesn’t mean we all need to be shiny happy people and stay PC–unless of course we are all running for office.”
I could be mistaken, but I don’t think this is the point Gem is making. The problem is not that some people think it’s funny, while others don’t. It’s that the people who don’t think it’s funny are summarily dismissed, told to “grow up”, “get a grip” and other colorful “Coach Carter”-esque catchphrases, as if the points their making are silly or unworthy of a more eloquent response. “Grow some” doesn’t really qualify as “intelligent discourse”
that’s exactly the point i was trying to make. thank you for clearing that up.
@Me fail english?, I understand where you are coming from, but if me or anyone else tells you to GROW UP, don’t take it to heart. Disagreement works both ways. We aren’t censoring people here (besides curse words and NSFW activity) because they disagree with one another.
I will say that at times, I think people are quiet because they fear they’re in the minority of popular opinion on here. many a time people hit me up in private disagreeing with stuff posted here but they choose not to jump in to state their claim. that sucks, because we still respect everyone from whatever side of the coin they come from. But keep in mind that just because we say GROW UP doesn’t mean SHUT UP. Two different things. Keep speaking your mind.
@Liz,
” this is not therapy.”
this is where i sorta kinda have to disagree…from where i sit and have sat on VSB for nearly a year is that people speak THROUGH what they write…even in “jest”. And quite a few times ive witnessed folks writing and working through they shi!t and one or two of them did happen to be authors of this blog.
just calling it like i read it…
@Liz,
well it’s a good thing this isn’t therapy. becuz being told to just grow on the basis of any contention isn’t very therapeutic.
@Gem of the Ocean, right. plus if yall were really counting on P or the champ to lead u to the light, you may need to be committed. they are not qualified, they play like it on TV.
oh trust, the words of P and C are not gospel in my bible. their banter is typically a source of a amusement. today not so much.
co-sign!
This just in, Hostess (who also made ListeToLeon.com/Leon’s fake ass celebrity crush list) was missing from this damned list. So was Gem of the Ocean, all the GRitS, and regular female VSB commenters. Yep, because each of us are 10′s in the right light, with the right make-up, hair, and smile. Can’t forget the smile.
That is all.
awwww you’re so sweet.
but let’s be clear–i’m a 10 in ALL lighting, make-up hair and smiles. thank you.
@Gem of the Ocean,
In the words of Mary J….”Work dat, work dat…”
@nia, Aw shucks. Now I’m gonna have to blast that through my house while I get dressed. And by ‘dressed’ I mean go from the 8.6 who went to the nail salon earlier into the 10 that will emerge this evening!
@Hostess,
That’s my anthem. Cuz people really just aint happy with themselves.
Hey Panama!
@Gem of the Ocean, See that?! Pass a general compliment around and still ain’t do it right. Point is, if one man sees you as an 7 you (not you per se) could probably EASILY go to a 10+ with the right lighting. Those who went to HU might remember some of the chicks who are on TV now who look like only a shell of their real-life selves. But make-up, right hair, right lighting? Sheeeit! A star is born.
Oh and let’s not even bring in HD to this. Cus dammit, sometimes I don’t even want to see ppl in HD. HD has changed up the TV make-up and lighting game.
@Hostess,
HD has changed up the TV make-up and lighting game.
They actually had a whole NPR segment about this the other day.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101207721
@Hostess,
lmbo i was playin. well i am always a 10 to me so that i meant. but i do appreciate the comment, and didn’t mean to take away from the sentiment behind it. i was just trying to lighten the mood of all the other darkness clouding this post.
so
smooches!
Why am not surprised that the higher the ratings go, the higher yalluh the women who come closest to dime status… Oh so sadly typical.
@Clarkey,
welcome and sh*t.
and, ummmm…nevermind. i dont feel like typing it again
The thing is the reactions we provide to this post just shows how much importance we attribute to beauty.
If the article was talking about ranking talent, there would have never been such an uproar. But why? Talent is also a god-given gift and it’s still ranked. Why can’t we accept that people will be ranked?
We do get tested in school AND ranked according to our intelligence (which is also something we’re born with)… why is this more acceptable than being ranked for looks? Why don’t we get all up in arms when someone calls Jessica Simpson stupid? But when someone says she has become unattractive, we balk.
It would seem that despite the fact that we don’t want beauty to be that important, we MAKE it be that important.
Why do I care if someone finds me attractive or not? Why does it matter to me? Why should I be offended by someone finding Beyonce and Halle Berry more attractive than Kelly Rowland or Essence Atkins? I personally think Essence Atkins is a very beautiful girl, and that Halle Berry is just ok.
When we truly decide to walk our talk i.e believe that beauty is not that important, then saying Beyonce is more attractive than Kelly Rowland would be like saying Kelly Rowland is a better singer than Beyonce… and would not end up in this smorgasbord of mixed emotions and feelings.
@Sula,
Hmmmm… IMO it’s not so much the ranking that has some of the people up in arms, rather it’s the “If you’re not a [insert high rating here], then [go hang/blow/ ufck yourself]” spirit of the posting.
I however think that you’re spot on in the value that that God given attributes are differently weighted (intelligence vs beauty vs singing etc.).
Would this posting have evoked the same knee jerk reactions if the post read “If you can’t sing, basically you’re a waste of air”? I think not. If however said post was posted in Berkeley School of Music or American Idol camp? Probably yes. If the spelling thing was said to us would we care? Not so much. In the spelling bee meet up? I think so. And beauty, like it or not, is still the currency women use to get by in many cases.
Long windedness aside, I guess I can see where some of the ire is coming from as people gots mirrors and relegating them to drive-by BJs is a bit harsh LOL.
That said (disclaimer time), in the great scheme of things, Wudaman & Princess Duvet said it best… it’s all relative and this is Panama’s opinion (paraphrased). And since none of the blog posters are trying to date the man, chuckle or shrug or shake fist and keep it moving.
My Zim $0.02
@Wanjiru,
Not the Zim 2cents!
p.s: I gotcha.
@Sula,
Beauty is the golden calf of our age. We have thriving sectors of commerce built of it. I think this post accidentaly grazed one of the delegated ‘hot button’ issues in the black community, and all h3ll broke lose. I honestly believe if Panama had illustrated his point using white actresses nary a peep would have been heard about it. There is alot of ‘isms’ thrown around in the posts and subsequent discussions, that don’t get raise any objections (all gay men frequently being type-casted as broadway-shoe loving-finger snapping queens, for example). I don’t understand why this rating system is more offensive than the rest. Basically, I’m calling hypocrisy on the whole ish and moving on.
That being said, I believe people have a right to air their views. If people were offended they should state it. An honest, respectful discussion never hurt anything. I’m just tired of the sanctamonious tone employed by some; your dogma doesn’t necessarily equal my gospel, so back the eff off.
@ofloveandotherdemons,
I honestly believe if Panama had illustrated his point using white actresses nary a peep would have been heard about it.
I am sensing this to be true… and very sad by the same token.
**Engages De-Lurking Device**
WARNING: ANGRY BLACK WOMAN ALERT!! I REPEAT, ANGRY BLACK WOMAN ALERT!!
**clears throat, taps on mic**
One person’s humor is another person’s mysoginy.
Just like one person’s 10 is another person’s 6.
Yeah. I get it. But that doesn’t mean I have to like it. And if you don’t like me not liking it then F**K YOU.
That is all.
**drops mic**
@blackberry molasses,
Holy sh*t! Is it that bad, babes?
@CPT Callamity,
It was just a little JOKEY JOOOKE!!!
Do I really seem that mirthless?
No, really…. I’m just serious.
BBMo, i <3 you
Welps, you can have the butta who thinks she’s a ten (I mean at least she has high self esteem),or the ten who knows she’s a ten and acts accordingly.
I think the latter is worst.
I kid I kid.
Well, I’ve never been one to see someone do something stupid and not join in….so I’ll add my 2 cents.
Panama and Champ, I hope that you learned your lessons for the day:
1. Ranking black women to a blog chockfulla of black women is on par with sticking your tongue on a frozen metal pole or pulling a hornets nest from a tree with a 3″ twig. Or smashing Kim Kardashian/Pamela Anderson/insert skank’s name here with no jimmy hat. Or asking Jim Jones to babysit. Or calling your girl’s mom the “b” word. To her face. And gesturing towards her grandma to say, “You, too – B!” Or…….you get the point.
2. Exellent way to get that comments section above 300 before noon, though. smh.
Now, I’m gonna go home to my man (who thinks I’m the cat’s meow, even when I don’t) and spit some new rhymes in his mic. Cuz that’s how 3.25′s get down, homie!
@All Lil’T Needs is 1MIC,
“Spit” some new “rhymes” in his “mic”????
Hmmm, that’s a different way of putting it.
@All Lil’T Needs is 1MIC,
**Mad Diva Dust ™ laden daps from one 3.25 to another**
*checks to see if coast is clear…streaks thru this post with a “WHAT ABOUT SADE?” billboard *
UGH! I missed a good day of commenting…
@aqualung,
Same crackberry issues here
But oooohh, you are GULLY.
I like gully.
Ok, I’m scared sh!tless now that I see where Essence Atkins and Terri Vaughn fall on your scale. I’ve been told I resemble Beyonce but when I look in the mirror I see more of Taraji P. Henson. I’m pretty middle of the road as far as looks but I think I have the attitude of a 10!
Woah. I was being an a$$hole on purpose when I gave ol AL “gully” props. This battle/convo/whatever don’t involve me and my a-holery. Just keep that clear. Please and thanks.
I am so mad that I missed VSB today… I think I read ALL the comments… Wow. VSB was that hot FIYAH today. If I was present I may be jobless. So it’s all good. I love the discussion… all of it.
I have been following the comments of this post all day. And there are good points made on both sides. But, of all of the posts that have appeared on this site, from the various “she’s a hoe” posts to the more recent”Chrihanna/A Man Scorned”, it’s very interesting that this particular post has garnered so much outrage. Very, very interesting….
And just in case you didn’t know, only a 10+…. could be fabulous since birth, conception really.
as one fabulous since egg and sperm coincided in my mother’s fallopian tube and nestled in her endometrial lining, i understand completely…
Hi Gemmie!
hey boo!!! you goin to urban luxe on friday??
Yes ma’am!! I’ll be stopping through! I’ll be vending @ Kelly Strayhorn (my spot lol) but after Urban Luxe is the ticket
goodie!! i’ll see you there
Yay!!
Clearly I’m late, but am I the only one who tries to work with what they have? Maybe on a cheese curls/Dr.Pepper/Lifetime/anothersadlovesong/backrub/i wouldn’t eat this junk normally kinda day i might stand in front of a mirror and dissect my appearance.
But most days? I have my health, I think I’m cahyoote, and most of all, I’m smart. Anything else and I would disregard all the Good Lord blessed me with.
Count your blessings people, we live in a crazy, misguided world.
And let the chuuuch say AMEN!!
I’ve been scoping this site for a little while now. Love it! Don’t change anything.
I can’t believe the tone this post took today. It was clearly meant to be funny and maybe provide a little insight into how some guys “grade women”. It wasn’t meant to degrade black women or glorify light skin over dark skin. It’s not that serious. It was just fun. Besides we all have a way in which we categorize members of the opposite sex. I found it interesting a few were protesting this post so much. Do I detect some self-esteem issues or trauma from being teased as a kid that you haven’t gotten over yet? I forgot who mentioned it above but “Self Esteem. It’s esteem of yo mutha wuzzin self”. Learn to love whateva you look like. If you still don’t think you’re that attractive then find something to make up for your deficiency in the looks department.
BTW Panama what about adding Robin Givens and Nia Long to the list. I think they’re both @ least 6. Well maybe Robin looses point 4 being with Mike Tyson lol
Robin Givens is staring in the He-Man movie…..As Skeletor. Stop. She may be a negative 6. Nia Long…you may have a point.
I can’t believe this post caused so much uproar. I’ve read more posts that could be considered offensive on this site.
@ BlkBond- lol. Maybe i’m thinking about Robin in her hayday. She didn’t look bad in that TylerPerry flick last year.
Hey I was just tryna be a woman and add me 2cents to thw list =)
How in the hell is Sanaa a 7? She’s, at minimum, an 8.5.
Beyonce ain’t a 9, dude sorry. Without the whitification she’s an average sister.
note to self: only having sex with feminists from now on.
feminist men are the best in bed anyway.
*permanently deletes VSB feed from feed reader*
peace!
thank you for the laughs today! your site is pretty funny
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@aqualung,
lmao.
@aqualung,
As the great Tracy Marrow said, “I don’t care how fine a b*&tch is, somebody is tired of dealing with her s&*!”
A dime can’t stay a dime forever. And if you can pull one dime, you can always pull another.
And if you can’t get yourself a 10, the least you can do is f*&! five 2′s. (c) Method Man…
@aqualung,
“Let’s hope that his daughter is pretty. If not, she’ll “just be some man’s jump-off” until he’s “tired of f*cking her.”
That was so grossly out of line it’s ridiculous. I don’t know if you’re new or what, and I honestly don’t give a lickety f*ck. Around these parts, tongue-in-cheek rules the day.
I can understand if your visage most closely approximates that of a rabid mudskipper, and your were thusly offended by this post. However, there are no circumstances in which it is appropriate to make a personal affront upon someone’s offspring.
Should you ever be lucky enough to simultaneously collect the man of sufficient inebriation, a bag of sufficient opacity, and fumigant of sufficient efficacy that it would take to enable your procreation, I’m sure that you will appreciate the concept.
@aqualung,
Very Interesting…
it’s like the inaugural benediction all over again lol
@WestIndianArchie,
And if you can’t get yourself a 10, the least you can do is f*&! five 2’s. (c) Method Man…
“my girls aint dimes, not even close to 9′s/
more like 5′s and 6′s with scars and stitches”
—the mad rapper
@Nikiloveli,
Should you ever be lucky enough to simultaneously collect the man of sufficient inebriation, a bag of sufficient opacity, and fumigant of sufficient efficacy that it would take to enable your procreation, I’m sure that you will appreciate the concept.
At some point I think many people will reuse this and cite you.
@Nikiloveli,
*nodding* yeah….i couldn’t even find the words when i first read that.
@lulu,
I will be one of them!
@Gem of the Ocean,
Ahh the great words of Rev. Lowery,
“…we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get back, when brown can stick around — (laughter) — when yellow will be mellow — (laughter) — when the red man can get ahead, man — (laughter) — and when white will embrace what is right.”
I thought that was the best part. lol.
@aqualung,
For serious?
….
I’ll bite.
Because it’s grossly out of line. If Panama says and you no likey? Take it to Panama. What his daughter got to do with it? Or his momma? Or dog?
That’s just haram.
@aqualung,
You are being extremely disrespectful.
ummmmm ok lemme get this straight (becuz maybe i’m missing something), it’s ok for Panama to talk about other ppl’s daughters (e.g. Kimberly Elise and Terri Vaughn) and how they should be treated according to how they look but it’s not ok for some one to bring up HIS daughter?? hmmmm interesting. i think bringing up his daughter is very valid. it’s not like anybody cursed Lil Pana-Montana or wished her a life of jump-off-edness. but i mean how would PJ feel if his own ranking of women was used on his daughter who might be deemed somewhere around 3-5?? GEM for one is curious to know how PJ would feel if his daughter came home from school crying becuz some dude said she wasn’t cute and should only speak when spoken to as a result. that’s not being disrespectful or mean spirited, that’s being real. now, saying its OK to treat ppl badly becuz they are a nickle on a dime scale is disrespectful and mean spirited. and the question is often asked: “how would you feel if that was your _______ (daughter/sister/mother/girlfriend/etc)??”
i think PJ is grown enough to handle that bit of reflection on what he wrote, as it relates to his daughter, placed back on him. if he, or any one is offended by that, they need to be the ones to look in the mirror. if you can dish it, you should be able to take it. if not, that’s a personal problem.
ya know Gem, i don’t mind people bringing up my daughter and asking a legit question. however, the way that this individual (both on this post and the current spamming of our comments sections constantly referring to the bastard child of panama jackson) are what draws my ire. if you’re gonna be intentionally disrespectful thats a problem.
now, in regards to the post, sure i mentioned these women but good gotdamn, how many times have we discussed unfortunate looking men and women on this site. all of a sudden, i’m the big bad mean man for saying that any of these women are less than attractive?
i can take it just as well as i can dish it. i have no problem taking shots at me…but dude was being an asshole on purpose to me specifically. for the purpose of being disrespectful.
if this were to happen to my daughter, then i would have a talk with her and handle it accordingly. the fact is, at some point, my daughter WILL be the subject of somebody’s ranking. just like you were and every other woman on this site. its life, it happens.
and as it is life, every person on this site will at some point rank somebody else for whatever reason.
i must say, that thru all of this, i’m really surprised that THIS post above all the others is the one that folks are most sensitive about.
GEM, are you “aqualung” returned to haunt us?
(j/k. You’re entirely too polite to be him.)
You are making me feel guilty for siding with PJ.
Panama is trying to control the content of his blog. If his ranking system was applied to his daughter, P would delete the post and DENY HIS HYPOCRISY. That response been demonstrated by PJ tonight.
Yappity yap yap yap.
Yap.
You seem extra offended Gem. There’s a lot of open wide internet for you to ponder the literal applications of the musings of VSB, or anything else. Go ahead, nobody is stopping you.
feel free to read my response to Gem, upthread. i’m not denying anything. and i’m not being hypocritical.
GEM, are you “aqualung” returned to haunt us?
LOL maybe… maybe not…
Some VSS & VSB thought that your original post was disrespectful to women, Panama.
See post 26 by lol@thisstupidpost.
See also post 59 by GEM.
You could have just ranked the pics with numbers, but you went on to tell how the women should interact with men based on their looks.
Q) Why tell a woman to “Shut the f*ck up?”
A) for the purpose of being disrespectful
Q) Why tell a woman to “Stop pretending that you look good in anything?”
A) to be intentionally disrespectful
Maybe Aqualung was doing to you what you did to your VSS and VSB today. He was trying to get you to feel what some of your VSB and VSS responders felt today.
Women are people too, duuuuuuuude.
i hear where you’re coming from. and i feel you on dude attacking you specifically (i didn’t read the comment in this thread that way but if this is a history then i understand). but as i see this whole situation, there’s a lot of things you (and others) say that i definitely dont agree with but i keep to myself since those are battles i’m interested in engaging in. everything i disagree on isn’t necessary to speak on.
but i think it’s funny that when ppl do voice their concerns (and this certainly isn’t the first time) that there are others to jump down their throats for whatever reason. i’m all about promoting open discourse on various subjects—esp ones that invoke a response that hits close to home (i.e. looks/physical traits/what men find attractive).
you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and readers are entitled to their reactions to those opinions/perspectives that you post. that seems to be the point of VSB—to get ppl communicating about the issues presented in the post. and VSB-ers certainly let their voices be heard. your actual post isn’t even what’s got me going on the dissertation-length comments. its other ppl’s dismissal of others concerns about what you posted is what i find unfortunate.
i guess to each his own. what can ya do??
i’m sorry, WHO are YOU?? and why do you feel the need to dismiss me?? RUDE!! SUHHHHCURRITY!!!!