“i’ll speak with yo mama outside”
along with being the working title for the sequel to “i’m gonna git you sucka”, this phrase was also apparently uttered by esteemed harvard professor henry louis gates when arrested outside of his home july 16th.
although you can seriously side-eye the strange logic in charging a 58 year old man with a cane, a noticeable limp, and the same izod shirt michael evans rocked in the “love has a spot on his lungs” episode of “good times” with disorderly conduct, there’s no doubt in my mind that dr. gates probably could have handled the situation a bit better.
while blacks in america definitely have a couple hundred thousand reasons to be cop cynics, we also have a tendency to sometimes get ourselves in more trouble than necessary just by being black and unnecessarily hostile
with this in mind, and keeping with our commitment to fight crime, here’s the vsb do’s and dont’s of dealing with the police
1. do mute your music
it doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to realize that your chances of getting arrested will probably increase by 70% if they stop you or stop by and you happen to be blasting “kill dat f*ggott” by styles p.
with this in mind, i try to always have a little john tesh in close range. you can’t go wrong with roundball rock
2. don’t be too nervous
while a bit of anxiety is understandable, you should probably try not to sweat so badly that you began to smell exactly how luis scola looks
3. do pay attention
while they’re taking notes on you, from their breath to their badge numbers you should be studying everything you can possibly learn about them. it may seem insignificant at first, but, as the wnba has taught us so far, insignificance apparently matters.
4. do have big boobs
i briefly dated a chick who’s currently in college who drove like a black female combination of ted kennedy and jr smith. yet, she’s never received any type of ticket, and the only reason for this has to be her tremendous, baxter-esque boobage.
for every other terrible woman driver born without a ridiculous rack, i have one word for you: swallow
5. don’t escalate the situation
always remember that scale is important. basically, it’s probably not the best idea to sneak behind him and smash him with a brick if you catch him giving you a parking ticket. save the cop killing to seasoned professional murderers like bryan mills and ray lewis
6. do tell the truth…
…but…
7…don’t say every damn thing.
example:
good
“yeah, officer. i did have a couple of drinks earlier tonight”
bad
“yeah, officer. i did have a couple of drinks earlier tonight. i bought some calico jack for my daughter and her friends after soccer practice, but they couldn’t drink it all so i finished it up. you know whats funny? if you take a couple shots immediately after injecting crystal meth, it tastes exactly like kiwi-strawberry vitamin water. haha. thats almost as funny as the face that tranny hooker made last weekend after i stabbed him.”
lastly,
8. do remember that the vast majority of cops are just doing their jobs just like you, and hate unnecessary adversity and paperwork…just like you.
while bullies with badges do definitely exist, most will be happy to send you on your way as long as you don’t give em a reason not to, and uttering a strange mother-related insult that sounds like something ruby ray moore would have said in “petey wheatstraw” definitely qualifies
i’m sure i’m missing a few. any additions?
—the champ
Tell your passengers to shut the hell up!
@Think Pretty Smart, Co-sign!
@Think Pretty Smart,
indeed. there’s nothing worse than your loud-mouth friend who thinks they’re above the law to pop off at the mouth and escalate the sitch.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Especially when they are wanted by those same police… In every state you go to.
Longest. Tri-State Trip. Ever.
@Dante_Alexander,
lmao wowsers!! story time!!!! *pulls up bean bag chair and munches on popcorn* please. do tell.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Long story short, We left Atlanta on our way to The D. We have to cross KY, TN, and OH to get to MI.
We somehow get pulled over in EVERY state. I swear it seemed as if the cops had phoned ahead for us. I set the cruise for the actual speed limit after the first stop, so I KNOW we werent speeding. it was broad daylight, so it wasn’t sheet to do with tail lights. it was a rental with NO enterprise “E” on it, and we’re light skinted (I keed, but not really).
We went to Jail in EVERY state, because my cousin, even with legit IDs of all sorts, has the same name of a reputed killer and smack dealer who traverses up and down I-75.
It actually happened to us on a road trip to PA once, too. Apparently Huntington, WV po po have NO LOVE for michigan plates. THAT was an interesting holiday weekend…
@Gem of the Ocean,
wow. just. wow.
@Dante_Alexander, The problem is that you were on your way to the D. You didn’t even have to finish the story. Police scanners can read minds. Once you get our of the D, it’s best to never think about going back, lest you get harassed. Why? Cus the cops are like, “Dog. You made it out. Why are you going back?”
@Dante_Alexander,
you’re not kin with shay_d_lady are you?
@The Champ,
It’s entirely possible.
My father was in like seventeen traveling bands in the 70s and early 80s… It’s entirely possible that everyone in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Illinois is related to me in such a fashion.
He didn’t mess with Indiana or Iowa. Standards and all.
I keed, I keed…
@Dante_Alexander,
lmao @ your looooong explanation to champ’s comment.
p.s. shay-d is from TN (at least that’s where i’m assuming her kinfolk are from)
@The Champ, @Dante_Alexander
LOL why yall jokin.. He could be! my father is a musician and has been all around everywhere and he is DEF a rolling stone….
however this just proves that crazy shyt happens to everyone outside of Champ and his tapioca lifestyle….LMAO
@Shay-d-lady,
Dead @Tapioca lifestyle. Hilarious!
@Gem of the Ocean,
Word. Reminds of when me and my homeboy got flicked and stretched one night. My homeboy is riffing and talking ish. I am quiet and trying hard as h3ll to hide that i’m nervous and I got trees on me. I was so fortunate that he let us go. At that point I had enough run ins with the police that I knew how to act. My man was acting brand new.
@Think Pretty Smart,
yea espically if they drunk too.
“4. do have big boobs”
lies! lies i tell you! I have ginormous ones and they did not stop that bastid CHP from giving me a speeding ticket. I mean, he did write down a speed that was about 15mph than what i was really going…. but what the hayle good did that do??? Nothing. That’s what.
as for what else to add? .. smile. They like dealing with people with happier dispositions. It makes their job easier.
@Selah,
He may have possibly just not liked women… you might wanna poke your chest out so he can get a good look though… do not underestimate the power of the boobs
@A-Town Genius,
or maybe it was the shirt. Next time I’ll just take it off before I roll the window down. lol
@A-Town Genius,
“do not underestimate the power of the boobs”
definite t-shirt potential
@A-Town Genius,
“He may have possibly just not liked women… you might wanna poke your chest out so he can get a good look though… do not underestimate the power of the boobs”
I have to add that even those men who no likey the women are fascinated by boobs. lol
@Selah, we’re going to have to verify your story. Pictures please.
@Anechoic,
Yeaa, no. Nice try tho. lol
@Selah, yeah the boobage rule is def not 100% I’ve gotten some tickets before and they did NOT help…but I generally get lesser charges written up
@Liz, we’re here on the getting lesser charges…. but I never WANTed the lesser charge. I want the NO charge. Maybe I’m asking for too much tho. lol
@Selah,
women aint never satisfied lol
@Peysonic Temple,
amen
@Selah,
awww you live in cali?? yeah CHP is notorious for being unreasonable with pulling ppl over. esp in this recession, they tryna make dat money!!
@Gem of the Ocean,
yep, Long Beach,CA …. home of Palm trees, bad betches and wanna bes*
*Idk how true all that is, but Snoop said it. lol.
@Selah,
lmao!!!
@Selah and Gem of the Ocean,
SoCal STAND UP!!
@Stuff Ghetto People Like.
*stands up* yeah!!!
umm… now what?? lol
@Gem of the Ocean,
and now we sit back down.. aint no need for all these unneccesary movements in this here heat. lol
@Gem of the Ocean, Selah, and other SoCals
umm… now what?? lol
I have a few ideas…don’t wanna jinx them though.
@Gem of the Ocean,
yea i can smell CHP’s from a mile away even the unmarked all white mero’s with the clear shaved lights on top.
@BLUNTBLAZER,
maannn you know what? I got the ticket on my way back down from the Bay. HMMPH.
why this matters? it doesnt. But I thought about you in my anger. lol
@Selah,
ery time i get on a hiway i think to myself im gonna see atleast 1 piggy out here so if you dont see one be on the look out
@Selah,
the keyword to look at as to why your boobs didn’t work was because you said CHP….Highway Patrol or the State Police for any area will always give you a ticket. Now if he was just a run of the mill city police officer than your boobs might have saved you, believe me I have seen it happen or heard about it happening after work all the time ( I work at a PD).
@Turtle, so basically, try not to get stopped on the freeway. gotchu. lol
@Turtle,
welcome and sh*t, turtle
@Selah,
Contrary to popular belief, the male equivalent to big boobs is not awesome abs. It is in fact well displayed taco meat. When I know I am going to be headed through a speed trap, I either strip down to a wife beater, or change in to a nice v-neck shirt. Then I put on a nice necklace to complete the Miami Vice look. Instead of writing me a ticket, I am thanked for giving them new material for their Tubbs fantasies.
@Legendary Dash,
LOL! so you just keep a nice necklace in the glove department for occasions such as those?
*takes note*
@Legendary Dash,
whateva ninja you gone get shot hella movin around like that i wish i would try ta reach for the glove box after gettin pulled shiiiiii
@BLUNTBLAZER,
You have to already be prepared. I have the fit either already on, or sitting in my lap. I often change clothes when I get to the place I am headed too. I will never ride on Florida interstates, unless I am all Tubbsed out.
@Selah, I bet you these cougars drove off thinking, “If only we had bigger boobs…”
http://www.blackbottom.com/watch.php?v=5CnhTsgJm7Q
Your boobs + Cougar moves = No ticket.
@Think Pretty Smart,
Nawww… they drove off thinking, “If only we had better teeth. Shoot.. any teeth would do.”
LOL
@Selah, At least the driver tried to shield her mouth. *sigh* Do you think universal health care would fix her teeth?
@Think Pretty Smart, them ain’t no damn cougars…they just a couple of old Betties.
@Stuff Ghetto People Like,
Mountain lions
@BLUNTBLAZER,
LMAO
@BLUNTBLAZER, Mountain Lions? LOVE, Love, luv it!!!
Don’t insult their intelligence just because they insult yours. It’s ok to tell them you didn’t realize you were speeding if you were going 10 over the speed limit. If you’re doing 90 in a 55 telling them you didn’t know probably isn’t gonna cut it.
And pay attention to this Chris Rock video that was bound to be posted because it’s perfect for this post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
@A-Town Genius, Yes don’t tell them you were on the way to the hospital because your in so much pain.
@A-Town Genius,
LMAO omg yes this vid “how not get to your a** kicked by the police” is perfect for this post!! CR pretty much hit most of Champ’s points plus a few more.
@A-Town Genius,
It DOES work if your stomach is grumbling. At that point any sweating and what not is cool, too…
I’ve seen this work. Think “Hot sauce on my burrito babaaaayy”…
@A-Town Genius,
lol, i remember this sh*t.
you know, i was a bit surprised that the chris rock show didnt last longer. its up there with “franks place” and maia campbell’s career on the list of things that ended too soon.
@The Champ,
Did Oprah, Bob Johnson, Bill Cosby and the rest of the “Dark Avengers” threaten to give Maia Campbell crack unless she denounced her role in “Trippin’?”
Cuz you know that’s how they did Dave Chapelle… if it’s in print, it must be true.
you know what.. I am sick and tired of everyone getting on Mr. Gates for his comment. I LOVED IT… I wishe he would have invited the police officer and his momma to kiss his ENTIRE a$$ after that. EVERYONE has a breaking point and how ignorant was the police officer being that a well respected, articulate, 58 year old man went THERE? The police officer even admitted to taking unncessary actions in the plice report! The fact that everyone brushes off the police officer’s actions and puts the burden on the VICTIM pisses me off..
oh yeah
F!ck the Police
you treat everyone with respect , including the police but gotdayum it they should respect you as well
in a lot of cases, the break down occurs because the police officer has forgotten that fact….
@shay_d_lady,
i happen to love his comment. I laughed so hard that I snorted when I read it. He’s a G. lol
@shay_d_lady,
Well, you can’t have an issue about racism with a black man involved without at least trying to accuse him of being ignant and disrespectful. That’s like, the biggest “I effed up” copout next to the public apology (/resignation).
[I do think he could have handled it better, though, but that's only because I tend to like every angle against stereotypes to be covered/protected against in a potential argument
that I'm sure to have with one or more caucasian friendsabout the race aspect of these things.]@Purplenat, my thing is the police report said that… for all I know, and I have been a victim of jacked up police report myself, what if he said, if your mother were outside would you be speaking like that?
thats all I am saying… thats how the police officer wrote it up and come on he doubted the man coul even live at the house so I am sure his opinions on black people are very stereotypical…..
but even if he did.. and you know what? F!ck the punk a$$ neighbor the claimed not to recognize him and called the police
now if he was being stereotypical he would have not only cussed the police officer out but whooped the neighbor’s a$$ with his cane.
@shay_d_lady,
the cops lied did yall hear the lady that reported it for 1) wasnt white for 2) wasnt his neighbor and for 3) never said it was a black dude she said she couldnt tell the police report is 650% lies watch the 911 calls are always recorded. how tha piggys gone explain that shiii
Damn, BLUNTBLAZER, tell us how you REALLY feel about police!
@Purplenat,
welcome and sh*t
@The Champ,
Gracias. I actually lurk around here a lot. I think I commented maaaaybe once to check yall about talking about us young folk. Hahaha
@shay_d_lady, “F!ck the Police”….word to BluntBlazer. I know he will be c-walking up in this post before long, lol.
I’m with you, my zeal upon hearing what he said was only heightened when my dear sweet friend, the POTUS, said the cop acted “stupidly”. I was like “make it plain!”. I knew he would be caught up in a sh*tstorm after, but bullsh*t can only be matched by bullsh*t. That officer was completely out of order, and him being sent out there was clearly motivated by prejudice (I’m confused, did his neighbors not know him, who called the po-po?). A black man in a nice neighborhood=burglary, NEXT. The whole situation also highlights the class division within the black community. Injustice is a bitter pill to swallow and we all know older people just don’t take BS lightly.
@overit,
“F!ck the Police”….word to BluntBlazer. I know he will be c-walking up in this post before long, lol.
i absolutely hate
that i loveyou for this comment!!! *dead*R.I.P. overit’s etwin, Gemmikins.
@Gem of the Ocean,
yea im here with my black fist afro pic and all
@overit,
IMHO a black man in a nice neighborhood breaking into a house (even if its his own house) does equal burglary. I say this b/c my mom’s house was burglarized 2 weeks ago by 2 black dudes and no one called the cops.
@Peysonic Temple, i dont know if I understand your point.. sorry your moms house was broken in to but and no one called the cops, but that still doesnt mean every black man in a good neighbor hood is doing that…prime example is Mr Gates who was NOT breaking in
@shay_d_lady,
but he looked like he was breaking in, so call the cops
@overit,
“F!ck the Police”….word to BluntBlazer. I know he will be c-walking up in this post before long, lol.
LMFAO. You ain’t neva lied. There’s a good reason why “BLUNTBLAZER” flashed across my brain when I read the title of this post.
I bet the only “don’t” he’d have will not be about abiding by the police and the law, but it’ll be something like, “DON’T…take no ish from the pigs”.
@shay_d_lady,
Cosign!!! I can always count on you!
If I can’t talk trash in my OWN house then what else do I have left?
They need to get out of here with that racial profiling BS!!
@Sula,
Exactly if, free speech doesn’t mean I can say what I want on my own property than it is worthless…
The fact that you arrest someone and the charges have to be dropped almost by definition means you shouldn’t have arrested them at all.
@Omar,
thas wha im sayin if it wasnt that bad why they dropp tha charges but they dont care they got his pics and prints now he in tha system
@shay_d_lady,
“I am sick and tired of everyone getting on Mr. Gates for his comment. I LOVED IT… I wishe he would have invited the police officer and his momma to kiss his ENTIRE a$$ after that. EVERYONE has a breaking point and how ignorant was the police officer being that a well respected, articulate, 58 year old man went THERE? The police officer even admitted to taking unncessary actions in the plice report! The fact that everyone brushes off the police officer’s actions and puts the burden on the VICTIM pisses me off..”
thing is, its not about putting the burden on the victim. there’s a couple hundred years of history that teaches us that a black man in america, regardless of class, should probably do everything possible to defuse the situation. sure, everyone has their breaking point, but being calm and unconfrontational can easily be the difference between life and death.
in that regard, dr. gates definitely could have handled the situation better
@The Champ, thing is, its not about putting the burden on the victim. there’s a couple hundred years of history that teaches us that a black man in america, regardless of class, should probably do everything possible to defuse the situation. sure, everyone has their breaking point, but being calm and unconfrontational can easily be the difference between life and death.
in that regard, dr. gates definitely could have handled the situation better
I disagree, at the end of the day the cop was going to take him to jail and when he saw that was inevitable? He went for it. Bottom line, in this situation the cop already had his mind made up that he was a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time and that was enough to go to jail and THAT happens a lot and there was no way to defuse that. Hell if he hadnt acted such an ass, and let it slide? it would have been another injustice swept under the rug.
@shay_d_lady,
I’m givin you 20 gold stars….
@shay_d_lady,
Bottom line, in this situation the cop already had his mind made up that he was a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time and that was enough to go to jail and THAT happens a lot and there was no way to defuse that.
again though, scale matters. basically, if jail is inevitable, i’d much rather take a ride in the back of the cruiser than get shot on my stoop. i’ve been cuffed before, and, although i was attached to a bedpost, i’m gonna assume its much less painful than a shot to the sternum.
@shay_d_lady,
HELL YEA *stands on chair* FIGHT THE POWER.
time to grow out the fro
@BLUNTBLAZER, im to gangsta for that e-twin shyt.. but ur ah
you know you my honorary play cousin, right? LMAO
@shay_d_lady,
hell yea baby angie davis
@BLUNTBLAZER,
LOL yall are killin me!!
@Gem of the Ocean
LOL yall are killin me!!
I know the inventor of e twinnage aint hatin!!! LMAO
@shay_d_lady,
got dayum right woman
PREACH!
Apparently you should stay the f*ck away from Harvard.
@Anechoic, yeah in general i think Harvard CP were on some BS lolol. Part of me thinks had Harvard Police been on the scene, Gates would have been spared all this because they generally know where folks live and where negroes are expected to be, especially professors who live on campus. But generally speaking, I think campus and local police are rather racist in Boston/Cambridge.
I remember once in undergrad they posted a WANTED poster of a black man with short haircut, between the heights of 5’4 and 6’5 for a dorm robbery. It was ridiculous!!! That was like their excuse to racially profile everybody. Come on campus police, do better :-\
@Liz,
Soooo… He was short, kinda tall? Thin, but a little thick? Light, with a hint of dark? Big, kinda small lips? Brown, little hazelnut in his eyes?
It’s funny, I’d rather they said something ridiculously stupid like lumping all of us together as “#2 Males” (which I’ve been called in Atlantic Station many a time) instead of saying something that sounds like an “official” description.
@Liz,
“I remember once in undergrad they posted a WANTED poster of a black man with short haircut, between the heights of 5?4 and 6?5 for a dorm robbery”
wow, lol. thats funny.
damn
Oh, and one other thing: don’t get caught.
@Anechoic,
Ay, there’s the rub.
@Anechoic,
Yeah homie…we try, we try!
How ’bout I hear the sheriffs around my house just like “pretty black women”…so they antagonize us..for what?
The hope that we’ll offer them some
good backseat gotdayumfried chicken?@Jac, LOL
@Liz,
You know I’m NOT lying
Yeah gonna have to agree w/shay d lady. On the surface this seems like a reasonable response. For some reason though I feel like I MUST be missing some pertinent details that led to his arrest. It doesn’t agree with my common sense that an alleged well-meaning, racial-profile teaching officer responded to reports of a burglary at a residence at which the homeowner was at the home and showed proof of residence to well-meaning honky officer. Confuse me?
So yeah I’d be meeting the officer and his one-legged mama outside too!
@Raven,
So yeah I’d be meeting the officer and his one-legged mama outside too!
if gates would have said “where’s your one-legged mama?” it would have bumped “dont tase me bro” as the funniest cop-related statement ive ever heard
@Raven, I feel like there are places where their stories agree and there are places where their stories disagree.
either way im slightly annoyed that the president is taking time out of his day to play peacemaker with both of these people.
@Liz,
4real im like do i get to meet the pres if it get arrested on accident too lol
I love the comments.
So far I have to take my happy DDD butt to traffic court next Saturday morning because the officer was
turned off my my head in a ragracist. Anyways, I think if my hair had been down I woulda said f!uck da police.But…at least he didn’t give me the no insurance ticket!
@Jac,
But…at least he didn’t give me the no insurance ticket!
damn, i’m living in the wrong state. you get caught driving with no insurance here and its a 3 month suspended license.
@The Champ,
You get caught without insurance in the great state of Texas, and it’s 3 years worth of $220/ year….
Worst $700 I’ve ever spent! Ugh!
@Sula, Don’t Mess With Texas!
My mama still proclaims you don’t really want to be caught driving while black at night in the rural parts of texas. Just don’t do it.
@Liz,
Your mama is a wise woman.
Heck, you don’t even want to be caught driving black at night in the suburbs of Houston.
No offense to any Texas officers on here, but yeah I don’t like them one bit.
@Liz,
Yep East Texas for sure…
@The Champ,
they take ya car in cali
@BLUNTBLAZER, I’m sure that’s only if you never bother to buy some before seeing the judge. Because I got a fix-it ticket on tags and insurance just last month, so I know they ain’t takin’ cars right on the spot.
Now if you have absolutely none of your sh*t together when stopped (No tags, no insurance, not even your L on point), all bets are off.
ok first…why does everyone do my Rockets so bad? leave Luis Scola out of this! lol we love him and his sweaty hair in the H.
2nd: cops are USUALLY trying to do their jobs, but this case was a little odd. however my bro told me that Prof. Gates is known to have a bit of a temper around campus.
3rd: don’t tell a cop “I ain’t got time for this sh*t, I got somewhere to be!” yea they don’t like that very much.
@Naomi,
i like scola too, but you have to admit that the argentianians in the league all look like they smell like a bally’s locker room. if “sweat stench” were “bad hair decisions” they’d be solange knowles
do have multiple forms of ID available. This includes, but not limited to, drivers license, employee ID, birth certificate
even though we all know that a birth certificate means nothing in this country, the cops probably won’t believe you and they’ll think you were born in Kenya, social security card, voter registration card, AAA card, DNA sample, report card from the 3rd grade, the results of your last HIV test, library card, undergrad transcript, and credit report.@N.I.A. naturally,
you forgot about a phone charger, your school id, a number two pencil, and tags for your cats
@N.I.A. naturally,
4real dont forget pinks. They alwasy ask “is this your car”? naw mofo its ya mamas lol
First off, I gotta give you big-fisted daps for using a “Good Times” reference, cause that’s my show til the wheels fall off! (Damn, damn, damn!)
Next, I gotta give you MORE props because even though the term is “rocket science, or scientist”, rockets need surgery too – and quite frequently, I might add.
Lastly, the only thing I CAN’T disagree with is having big boobs because my “girls” have gotten me out of a WORLD OF messes with cops, and even got me a few job promotions when sported just right.
Everything else I can disagree with, although I can see your point – even though it’s located STRICTLY on the top of your head. 
@RedBeanzNRice w/Neckbones,
though the term is “rocket science, or scientist”, rockets need surgery too – and quite frequently, I might add.
*as Gem slowly comes back to life aftter being kilt by her etwin’s comment up thread, she falls back into her grave from reading this comment*
@RedBeanzNRice w/Neckbones,
Everything else I can disagree with, although I can see your point – even though it’s located STRICTLY on the top of your head.
is there such a thing as a backhanded entendre?
So I take it the vast majority of VSSes have juicy racks?
I just wanted to share a story….
I bought a car at an auction in the sticks of GA. Now, this auction don’t give you anything to put on the plates or anything like that leaving, it just has the auction info on it.
It was a Cadi…I’m a black man…and it had no plates….and it was dark….
So, by the time I get to the area of the Varsity and GA Tech area, I get smooth pulled over. By the time I pulled over into a lit lot, there were 5 cars deep. Mind you, I’d only moved another 50 or 60 feet from the first “weoooooooo”. I turned my car off, rolled the window down partially, stuck BOTH hands out the window with the keys hanging from my thumb. By the time the officer got to my window, there were 8 cars all with lights blaring… He checked my paperwork and told me I could leave….3 of those cops followed me for a good 3 miles.
I was fired up, but having a father in law enforcement has taught me how to deal in certain situations. I knew FULLY that I didn’t have to put both my hands out nor dangle the keys, but I also knew that I was a black man in a Cadillac with no plates late at night in a “busy” section of ATL. When the numbers began to go up exponentially, I knew that I needed to submit fully on my own, or be forced to submit by force.
@Saule Wright,
Good thing you weren’t in Decatur. D.E.K.A.L.B. County woulda struck again…
Don’t
Ever
Keep
A
Live
Black Man
@Saule Wright,
“I was fired up, but having a father in law enforcement has taught me how to deal in certain situations. I knew FULLY that I didn’t have to put both my hands out nor dangle the keys, but I also knew that I was a black man in a Cadillac with no plates late at night in a “busy” section of ATL. When the numbers began to go up exponentially, I knew that I needed to submit fully on my own, or be forced to submit by force.”
so basically, you were raised right.
@The Champ,
LOL, but folks NEVER see it that way. It’s some pride garbage or house negro mentality right…it’s not raised right. lol. I’d just rather be able to live to tell the story here on VSB than to have all stories about me begin with, “remember when”.
@The Champ,
i aint stick my hands out no window shii they hella trigga happy prolly think the keys isa knife and get ta shootin
“save the cop killing to seasoned professional murderers like bryan mills and ray lewis”
*sniggling and waiting on Dorian G to comment*
@miss t-lee,
I’m glad you recognize
@Dorian G.,
Nah…I just thought it was funny and was waiting to see your reaction.
Quick two hitta quitta.
-Have your sh*t together. Got no reason to stop you when your tags are on point and things are otherwise inconspicuously clean on the whip.
-Shutting the f*ck up goes a long way. Constables ain’t the one to vent your temper and ideological frustrations to. Hate the “pigs” on your own time.
More news later on this VSB station….
@Stuff Ghetto People Like,
***nodding head***
@Stuff Ghetto People Like, yeah i agree. if u stsy on the right side of the law more than likely you can avoid all this stuff to begin with.
@Stuff Ghetto People Like,
I enjoy your use of the word ‘constable’ here. Reminds me of Mary Poppins.
@Stuff Ghetto People Like,
not always dog you can be cleaner than a whistle but then you get pulled for lookin to clean lol like “oh you clean cut ballin must be a dope dealer”
@BLUNTBLAZER, I said “inconspicuously clean”…
Which car is more inconspicuous?:
a) stock Camry
b) Monte Carlo on a $5K set of 24″s subbin’ down the street at 3 in the morning
Not a crime to have car B per se, and I know I put a bit much on it in the example, b/c the Camry could be having all kinds of even worse stuff going on it…but Monte Carlos are on that list of whips notorious for being driven by D-boys and thugs, and cats that push them will do dumb sh*t in the process just begging to get stepped to (I see it all over the hood)…other fishy things are often crackin’ too.
@Stuff Ghetto People Like,
dude i hada 93 camry super stock and got beat up for mistakin id in that car so cars dont matta like cube said “my skin is my sin”
@Stuff Ghetto People Like, and you should be able to buy whatever muthaf!ckin car you want
thats some bullshyt
@shay_d_lady,
i buy cars that people granpas be sellin thinkin they gone leave me alone naw they jus think i stole it from some old dude
I don’t have much more to add than what’s here already, but just know its a bad sign when the cops start claiming ‘PATRIOT ACT’ to justify what they’re doing at the moment…
@Maximillian,
lol, someone’s seen “the departed” a few too many times
@The Champ,
maaaan i was watching that movie last nite. never saw that ending coming*…
*something no one would ever say about Champikins.
@Gem of the Ocean,
maaaan i was watching that movie last nite. never saw that ending coming*…
*something no one would ever say about Champikins.
since i didnt understand this at all, i’m gonna take it as a sign of disrespect.
i’ve lightly evaluated both sides of the story (the police report and Gates’ account thru interview) and they are vastly different. who’s to know what REALLY happened??
and while i think the circumstances surround this whole sitch are a bit sketchy and messy, i don’t believe this was a case of racial profiling on behalf of the police. based on what i know, i think 2 things happened: (1) Gates forgot he was a negro and that negroes need to be more cautious and less “lippy” with the 5-0 becuz that just makes things UGLY and (2) Gates was probably more offended that he was mistaken for a reg-a-luh n*gga than an esteem Harvard professor who happens to be colored. the end.
i believe this is more of a class issue than a racial one. and Gates having [allegedly-tho based on his reputation i dont doubt he uttered these words] said “you don’t know who you’re messing with” pretty much sums that ish up for me.
and i’m sure MANY of you VSBers would disagree with me, but i find this story unworthy of such national news coverage. i mean i think it’s terribly unfortunate this happened, but COME ON. Gates was merely arrested withthe charges later dropped. no signs of police brutality and Gates is not sittin in cell block B being man-handled by an obese criminal named Bubba. essentially, this story needs more ppl…
@Gem of the Ocean,
i agreed with you until the last paragraph. sh*t, its a national news story for a week when pacman jones gets arrested, so a world-renowned blacacademic in cuffs is definitely news worthy
@The Champ,
pacman wasn’t news worthy either!! i mean, i can understand it being in the news as a “guess what happened today” story. but receiving hours of coverage on cnn and like media with analysts picking apart what happened?? and Obama speaking on it?? nah, it’s not that deep.
@Gem of the Ocean, naw I COMPLETELY agree with you. I am actually really annoyed this is being cited as a racial profiling case because I think it’s a VERY POOR example of it. Basically 2520s have too many loopholes to poke in this story, and thus can give argument that racial profiling doesn’t exist because of it. That’s why they need to move on to the next story. Let’s find some real bonafied racial profiling cases and talk about those. This is more along the lines of covert racism–which is a problem, but we still a lot of overt racism to tackle too.
and yes I think to some extent Gates was more taken aback by them not recognizing who he was in terms of class and profession, over skin color. which, seems slightly out of touch. Any Black person who has lived in Cambridge for a significant amount of time AS WELL AS anyone who has attended or been apart of the Harvard community knows things are NOT honky dorey when it comes to race. At no point in time during my six years at MIT, Harvard or Cambridge did I feel like the police would treat me differently because I was an MIT student, matriculated and lived at harvard, or was a resident of Cambridge. There were way too many “incidents” (police-related and non-police related) in these communities for me to think those places were “post-racial.” He had to have been living under a rock to ignore any of these types of incidents. Hell, just a few weeks prior a Black Harvard student was denied her degree for KNOWING a drug dealer who got killed on campus. What’s that about??
@Liz,
did she know that guy? i thought she knew another girl at Harvard who knew him….
@N.I.A. naturally, allegedly they all knew each other.
@Liz,
“Let’s find some real bonafied racial profiling cases and talk about those. ”
Like Robbie Tolan
@Deviant,
i threw his name out there last week and people ignored me.
@Gem of the Ocean,
co-sign Spel-sis!! but, i have to agree with Champ, this case is news worthy, just by the simple fact that HLG was arrested. He could have been arrested for jaywalking, and it still would have made the news. The problem is all of the attention the MSM is showing to this case…it definitely doesn’t warrant this much attention.
Have you seen this analysis of the situation. So it on twitter last week… http://thisweekinblackness.com/2009/07/23/notes-from-a-phantom-negro-skip-gatesplease-sit-down/
@N.I.A. naturally,
i never said it didn’t deserve news coverage. i said it didn’t deserve SUCH (meaning the type it’s getting) national news coverage. i mean thanks for letting us know, but now it’s time to let it go. it just serves as a reminder that in this society white is right. it’s not really NEWS, we all should know this by now.
@Gem of the Ocean,
I totally agree with you!
@Gem of the Ocean, no its racial.. you say so yourself.. he forgot he was a negro? that makes it racial because he shouldnt have to remember. Regardless of why Gates was offended, the reason he was being arrested had more to do with color than class in my opinion.
Second the charges were dropped, he was clearly wrongfully arrested and I think it is national news anytime someone’s rights have been erroded. So he got lippy, I gaurantee before he got lippy he told the cop what was going on.. I seriously doubt the cops just showed up and Gates went off. The fact that most people seem to assume thats what happened and there fore all of this was his fault is because he is black, not because he is well to do.
@shay_d_lady,
I luh ya like a sister.
@shay_d_lady,
well we obviously do not agree on MOST points. so we can agree to disagree.
and when i say it’s not racial, i’m saying Gates crying “racial profiling” when he really means “class profiling”. to me, from all i know about what Gates said and even what the police report says, is that Gates was more offended the cop didn’t know who he was and what his status was. the color thing came up later.
i very honestly believe had Gates played it cool and been cooperative with the police and tried to get to the bottom of the real issue — who the heck is or is not breaking into the house — then he would NOT have had any issues with the police, least of all being arrested. again, IMHO.
@Gem of the Ocean, very honestly believe had Gates played it cool and been cooperative with the police and tried to get to the bottom of the real issue — who the heck is or is not breaking into the house — then he would NOT have had any issues with the police, least of all being arrested. again, IMHO
there is no indication that he did NOT play it cool initially
my point is that the assumption is that because he is black that he went off immediately
regardless he is the victim and I would like to see someone recognize that while 2 wrongs dont make a right? he was wronged.
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I don’t know how many of you have ever gone through this, but it’s actually kept me from getting a passport for many years.
Apparently, its a BAD idea for your parents to give you the same name as a reputed assassin or known associate of the biggest herion dealers in history… Even though they’ve never met and you were born 5 states away.
Imagine being names “Carlito Brigante” in say, Missouri, and then getting pulled over even though all your stuff is legit, then taken to jail for being said person. I’ve had that happen to me… THRICE. My cousin has gone through the same thing, although at least HIS antagonist namesake was located in the same state.
I went to get a passport, and was denied because of my felonious record. I was 1 month past my 18th birthday. The dude in question was from harlem, and like 25 years my senior. Explicame por favor.
I just had to share that one. Having the same name as Nicky Barnes’ crew members is fooking tough on a guy.
@Dante_Alexander,
your name isn’t Ishmael Muhammad is it?? cuz if so, there’s a whole host of reasons to racially profile the h3ll outta you!!! lmao
@Gem of the Ocean,
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/voting/c1.html
Cool dude, but the reason for my NOT being able to travel to Brazil to shoot “Big Bootay Brazilian Orjee 72″.
I am not happy about it.
@Dante_Alexander, aww. that’s a cool name tho! lol
@Gem of the Ocean,
yea that my homies name he cant hop ona plan for shiiiii he getin checked 10 times b4 the gate im like ninja i told you ta comb ya dam hair
I don’t care if Mother Teresa offered to grill up some ribs at the Taj Mahal, if some cop treated me as if I was Chicken George on the road without his freedom papers, I am not going anywhere to chill out with him. But Skip is.
I would go and thank the dude if I was Skip, however. If it wasn’t for him, Skip wouldn’t be getting all this free publicity for his next PBS Special and potential book deals.
So y’all have that beer and remember, Oscar Grant still dead and lets hope this “teachable moment” regardless of how lame it is, will prevent much worse things from happening to black folks via cop down the road.
@T. Troy Stewart,
I would go and thank the dude if I was Skip, however. If it wasn’t for him, Skip wouldn’t be getting all this free publicity for his next PBS Special and potential book deals.
so you’re saying that cornell west and mike dyson need to get caught speedballing while speeding to keep up?
@The Champ, hell yes. You know that Zippy headed ninja Dyson’s wife is beating him with a spoon asking him why didn’t he think of that? Cornell always look like he crackish with that scarf and tie on so he should have been busted years ago….they haven’t applied themselves the way Skip To My Lou has.
@T. Troy Stewart, *dead* at “Zippy-headed ninja”
–actually, this whole comment is killing me softly.
@T. Troy Stewart, i mean honestly—a lot of people probably had no idea what Skip looks like at glance, and for damn sure didn’t know who he was by name only. He has this whole media blitz to thank for that. I also noticed his site is getting a lot of traffic and notoriety behind this (he only did an interview with them initially). So yeah, he’s coming up behind this.
@Liz, just about every article about Skip mentions “the root, a website that he manages” (with an iron fist I might add, I don’t want to talk about being banned from there because I called Toni Morrison an idiot…shut my ID down with the quickness they did…LOL) and his lawyer, Charles Ogletree, keeps dropping Skip’s upcoming PBS special every chance he gets, too.
We clown rappers when they pull stuff like this to promote their new projects, don’t we? LOL Skip getting ad tips from The Game can’t end well…
@T. Troy Stewart,
” I don’t want to talk about being banned from there because I called Toni Morrison an idiot…shut my ID down with the quickness they did…LOL) ”
I knew you were cool people….lmao
@T. Troy Stewart, WOW, REALLY?!?! re: getting shut down.
They’re all playing it safe over there re: this incident. I had to call one of my friends who writes over there (usually writes with venom too) and ask WTF they were going so easy on him. Said they had to protect their bread and butter.
@Liz, they shut me down, day one LOL and I didn’t cuss anybody out or anything. Just like that time I got kicked off of Television Without Pity.
Those are the only two places I’ve even been banned…although they won’t post anything I say on Huffington Post without it being checked first.
Okay, to be honest, basically, the only places I can post on the internet without being censored and/or banned are in my own blog, Twitter (for now) and here.
@T. Troy Stewart, LOL you sound quite spunky. what are you SAYING all over the internet? LOL
@Liz,
They’re all playing it safe over there re: this incident. I had to call one of my friends who writes over there (usually writes with venom too) and ask WTF they were going so easy on him. Said they had to protect their bread and butter.
I know a couple of writers over there too who usually bring it, who are pulling punches like mad right now. That’s sad, in a way. But I can’t knock their hustle…you do what you gotta do to pay the bills.
@Liz, (and I like my oatmeal lumpy)
I talk a lot of crap LOL but those two times, I was being kind. I didn’t even come right out and call Morrison an idiot. But those dudes do have Ivy League educations and figured out my game pretty quick like. I didn’t even get to work on my family tree over there before they locked me out. Now I won’t ever know if Grandpa wasn’t just being funny when he said his mother was half Blackfoot Indian…
@T. Troy Stewart, TWoP’s mods and admins are a bunch of Nazis, man…I got blocked for a week due to complaining about some show they gave top status to (which I was right about, as it was cancelled within three weeks). They threatened that next time it would be for good. My name still exists just fine over there, but I simply lost interest in posting there afterward.
I was the KANG of getting kicked off AOL in my time, however.
@T. Troy Stewart,
Oscar Grant RIP yea man I almost was on that train but i stayed in that night with my tenderoni. That shiiii hit hell close to home. I was at the riot too.
Do:
*Tell the truth. Cops are some of the best bullshytters out there and we all are familiar with the saying you can’t bullshyt a bullshytter so it’s best to not even try. If you lie and they know that you’re lieing, you only make their job that much harder and in turn, they make it harder on you.
*As mentioned above thread, placing both hands out the window is always good. The nature of their job keeps many cops on edge so doing this puts them at ease and they find you less threatening, especially if you’re a young Black male.
*Use their name. Don’t just look at their badge and try to remember their name, use it a couple of times so they know that you’re attentive and just in case they try some funny shyt, you know who they are.
Don’t:
*Be on your cell phone. This may give the impression that you’re not taking the situation as serious as it may seem to them. Instead, go to your voice note feature and record the whole exchange between the two of you.
*Do anything to rack up more charges like resisting arrest, trying to bribe them, or threatening them.
@Monk, when the police pull me over, I got my driver licence, car registration and insurance all in my hands when they walk up to the door. I ain’t reaching for s*it. And I will revert to slave speak if I have ta, boss.
The last time I got a ticket it was because I got into an argument with the cop about running a red light when had I just shut my mouth and said “I honestly thought that light was green, officer, my bad.” I wouldn’t have gotten that ticket.
@T. Troy Stewart,
Yeah, definitely have any paper work out because reaching for anything can get you dead.
@T. Troy Stewart,
i feel ya i got tired of slave talk i collect they business cards too. Hell yea if i get pulled twice by the same guy i jus be like look i got ya card man get off my nutz this is the 5th time u pulled me since the first of the year
@Monk,
actually i left my cell phone on one day cause i sware the pig was gonna cap me and i called my moma and told her to listen jus incase some bas shii happened. thas wha saved my life he found out i was recordin the whole exchange and he let me go with no ticket.
The cops here in my city have been quite trigger happy over the last 5 years. They’ve shot a 23 year mentally ill Black woman, a 19 year old brother and an 18 year old Hispanic man. All of these incidents happened while the dashboard cameras were conveniently “not activated”.
As recently as a few months ago, they shot an 18 year old that was sleeping in his car. Cop said he was reaching for a gun in his waistband.
Yup.
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/local/06/03/0603suit.html?cxntlid=inform_artr
I don’t play with them kats, I keep everything up to date and functioning on my car so that I have no reason to talk to them mofos.
@miss t-lee, dayyyyam. are any of those minority slayers still on the police “force”?
@T. Troy Stewart,
Yep.
The only officer who lost their job was the female cop who shot the young Hispanic kat. They were fighting down on the ground, and she shot him in the back. Her taser had fallen out of her holster and she thought that he had it and was going to use it on her.
All the other officers are still on the force.
@miss t-lee,
People just don’t know how the freak it is down here… I mean the police just don’t play… They get away with EVERYTHING!
@miss t-lee, remind me to meet you in St. Louis, I ain’t coming to Texas.
@T. Troy Stewart,
LOL!!! I’ve heard my fair share of stories about the midwest too.
@miss t-lee, I don’t mess with Texas, I see what they did to Earl Campbell. It’s like watching your biggest slave on the plantation get his foot chopped off so he can’t run no mo’. Sad, just sad. Poor Earl. Darn you Bum Phillips! Darn you to heck!
@T. Troy Stewart,
Oh snap!!! You took it there.
Yeah…I feel sorry for po’ Earl. He’s just a shell of his former self.
@miss t-lee, poor, poor Earl. The Houston Oiler worked him like a government mule. Ran him until his knees were dust. I blame Bum and Dan Pastorini and that noodle arm. It ain’t right! *sob*
@miss t-lee,
And that’s probably why this issue gets me so riled up. It seems like the role of the police is to scare the heck out of the public, while I have always expected them to PROTECT honest citizens!
I mean, in Texas, a white dude can kill UNARMED people breaking into his neighbor’s house and get away with it… so what the fluck should I expect?
This almighty power of the American Police just irritates the heck out of me. Was I Gates, I would have probably been serving jail time right now… PROUDLY!
@Sula,
“I mean, in Texas, a white dude can kill UNARMED people breaking into his neighbor’s house and get away with it… so what the fluck should I expect?”
I remember that case.
You just never know what to expect with the cops. Never.
@Sula,
I’m just saying, if it was my house that someone was breaking into, armed or not, I would be grateful that someone shot their arses!
@Ms. T,
That’s why we pay taxes to have a police force ain’t it?
Justice is about due process. This guy was on the phone with 911 police officers who REPEATEDLY told him not to shoot the burglars, they were on their way to pick them up. They stole stuff, they were unharmed… when did justice mean killing someone by an untrained citizen whose house was not even broken into? Now, we should just know if we are back in the wild wild west where everybody is supposed to proceed with “protecting” themselves all nilly willy. We form a police force to act in those situations for a reason.
The only cases where shooting someone in the chest was justifiable was Self-defense… Apparently not anymore, breaking into an EMPTY property is warrant enough to be killed, not even shot in the legs but killed… while you are unharmed.
And I will let you play Which Race Were the Protagonists?
It’s not even about the racial aspect of things (although it plays a huge role), it’s about how laws and precedents can be twisted and turned around to suit a particular purpose and outcome.
We can also play another game of Guess what would have happened if it was the reverse situation, to put it all in perspective.
@Sula,
“That’s why we pay taxes to have a police force ain’t it?”
True, but what if I was in that house, and they found some sort of weapon to kill me with in my house! If my life is threatened I’d rather they be dead instead of me. I get everyone’s arguement about what if it was someone black who shot the guys, or what if this and that. Well what if they were not trying to burglarize homes then they would not have gotten shot! I didn’t recall the house being empty, but maybe I just don’t remember all of the facts.
@Ms. T,
The house was empty. And if we have a law in place, what use is it if we are not going to follow it? Let’s just start to do whatever we feel like because we feel “threatened”. And how do you even determine the level of “threat”?
Due process and due diligence are there for a reason. This case should not even have stood in court, but yet it friggin’ passed!
I don’t know about you, but I don’t feel safe when the greatest thing this country has (its justice system) can be changed to suit a very narrow point of view… It makes me scared to see what could come next.
@ Ms T.
If you’re in your own house, if someone breaks in, you are protected by homestead laws, so you’d be able to shoot to kill on your own behalf. Or as my grandma says “shoot ‘em and then drag ‘em in.” LOL
I wouldn’t want my neighbors to kill anyone “defending” my property.
In the Joe Horn case, I think that dude was just trigger happy while his neighbors were away. He just took it upon himself to try to defend their home, and who knows, that might have not even been their stance.
On a side note, I’ve been at my car and beaten the fook up by Gang Squad in The D.
Upon reading this, you may be shocked and sheet. It’s a shame that I am about to damn near justify this, but listen:
I was in a cut off and tattered jeans, being that I had just gotten into a drunken bar brawl for which the Gang Squad was called for in the first place.
My 94 taurus had no airbag nor radio when i bought it. This was my vehicle of choice that night.
My car was blocking the entrance/exit to the parking lot.
It was a bad day all around. I got my head slammed into my hood many a time before I could answer “Who’s car is this?” or “Where’s you paperwork?” and all that mess.
Upon filing a greivance, it was illustrated to me that Gang Squad basically had free reign to do whatever the hell they wanted. Red Dogs in ATL as well. Rampart in LA. I guess its the truth everywhere…
@Dante_Alexander,
*smdh* icant… you and shay-d-lady with these WILD stories.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Sometimes bad sheet happens to good people.
Especially when they’d consumed enough alcohol to actually blow a HIGHER reading 2 hours after the initial arrest.
I don’t even know how I was standing. I prolly woulda got away with it too, had I not ended my recitation of the alphabet with “now I know my ABC’s, next time won’t you sing with meeee”
@Dante_Alexander,
yea the headbangin on the hood i feel ya pain. Im like yall piggys watch to much wwf
Gates eff’d up when he stepped outside of his house. He let the anger get the best of him. He couldnt be arrested in his house for two reasons: 1) He posed no threat to himself or the officers and thus the cops would have needed a warrant which they didnt have. 2) You can be arrested for disorderly conduct inside your house. When Gates stepped on the porch he opened the flood gates to be arrested on both accounts. Furthermore, regardless of how eff’d up this is gonna sound, he’s lucky he aint get his arse whooped. Talk to the NYPD like that and you will be in the back of a cruiser bloodied and cuffed.
I personally think that Skip was angry that his conservative, right winged self was gettin bothered by the cops like the poor ppl (both blk and wht but mostly blk) get bothered by the cops
@Peysonic Temple,
Gates eff’d up when he stepped outside of his house.
totally agree. never step out the house, man. make them get a warrent and come and get you or let you get lawyered up and turn yourself in.
@T. Troy Stewart,
True indeed. He really didn’t have any real reason for stepping out of the house. I would’ve called 9-1-1 and told dispatch that I was being harrassed by men dressed in black with guns on them and they were trespassing.
@Monk,
I would’ve called 9-1-1 and told dispatch that I was being harrassed by men dressed in black with guns on them and they were trespassing.
@Peysonic Temple, I cant read any more past Gates effed up for stepping outside of his home..
Had he refused to step outside, you think this would have gone away? Do you think if he would have slammed the door in the cops face that would have been the end of it?
@shay_d_lady, had that cop busted in that house without a warrant, after Skip closed that door…
I don’t understand what the problem is…the police been shooting Negroes since they were call patrollers and we were called slaves for all kinds of randomness. You can act like you owed something by these fools if you want but the graveyard is full of black folks who were just as American as you and I but it didn’t matter one bit once everything was said and done. In the majority of these Cop VS. Black American match ups, don’t bet on black, if Cop turns out to be “one of them”.
I’m mad at Skip because he’s known as a very intellectual man who claims to know the history of US in the US, yet he pulled a sucker move and very, VERY lucky he didn’t catch a case. Oscar Grant, for example, did far less than Skip and look what happened to him and there were hundreds of people looking on, Skip didn’t have any backup. Had he came across the right Officer Friendly and woke up dead, then what? People would have been asking why he step out on that porch?
Use some common sense, Skip, is all I’m saying…you a smart man, you got high profile friends…next time, play the okey doke and then get your lawyers and handle that.
@T. Troy Stewart,
Use some common sense, Skip, is all I’m saying…you a smart man, you got high profile friends…next time, play the okey doke and then get your lawyers and handle that.
way to sum up my feelings about the subject in 32 words
@T. Troy Stewart, WHAT?
had the cop busted in without a warrant then what?
THEN he could have said something? do you think that would not have happened? The cop was wrong from jump, cmon now he was going to bring Gates to the station and if he would have shut the door, I gaurantee you that cop would have kicked the door in. The police can and have kicked the door in without warrants plenty of time and as long as they had “proper justification” or “probable cause” they were straight… and if you dont think “suspected robbery victim on the premises” constitutes probable or justified force….LOL
stepping outside was his attempt to diffuse the situation because he is a smart man, not in spite of in my opinion.
and again the point is
that he should not have been “lucky” he should not have been in jeopardy of shyt..
I think you guys are being a bit naive if you think this could have ended any other way but an arrest for him
especially since they released the 911 call
so you can say what you want but the fault in this case is square on the wack a$$ officer “yo mamma” statement and all.
@shay_d_lady, no one is saying that the cop isn’t at fault either.
Skip got more intelligence in his pinky than the entire Cambridge PD combined…he should have had that cop running around in circles, chasing imaginary krispy kremes.
Lol! Rocket surgeon? Do they exist? Maybe neuroscientist should fill in the blank.
Additional things to do if you get pulled over:
1. Listen, it’s been my experience that most cops just need someone to talk to. Listen to what they have to say and a simple nod or yes to show you are following is cool.
2.Use your best English. LOL!
3. Smile and say thank you.
@Ivy St.,
Listen to what they have to say and a simple nod or yes to show you are following is cool.
so its not a good idea to have the “ok, ok, ok, ok…you need to stop it now” part of “robocop” on loop when they’re asking you questions?
Its no surprise to me that someone from Pittsburgh would side with the police over an internationally esteemed Harvard black professor.
Its no surprise to me that someone from Pittsburgh would callously throw a black man under the bus (Ray Lewis, powerful black man…no homo), when in fact the legal system (the white mans legal system at that) found no wrong doing.
Its no surprise someone from Pittsburgh would advocate black people admit to “having a couple drinks” to the cops. Worst. Advice. Ever.
But I am surprised that you being from Pittsburgh like roundhouse rock. Only because the song doesn’t suck, and I always believed people from Pittsburgh only aligned themselves with things that sucked.
@Dorian G.,
Its no surprise to me that someone from Pittsburgh would side with the police over an internationally esteemed Harvard black professor.
lol, please show me where exactly i “side with the police”.
btw, suck deez.
@The Champ, hold up, you’re from The Pitt? I’m in Cleveland…
actually there’s nothing after that because the day after the Steelers open up a can of whoop dat trick on the Browns is two of the best and funniest days of the year for me. Browns fan does not take any beat downs well but a Steeler one is especially hard on them LOL…oh they hate y’all have an IKEA, an active downtown, Andy Warhol, the University of Pittsburgh and basically, a life LOL.
@T. Troy Stewart,
I was in Cleveland for the first time over the weekend. I liked it
Black people that actually speak, just to do it. ‘Twas nice.
@pgh muse, the last time I was in Pittsburgh, I went to the Warhol and PNC…not too many brothas and sistas hanging out in either LOL.
@Dorian G.,
Hilarious!!!
(No offense to Pittsburghers… he he he)
@Dorian G.,
U love us.
i think in this TET, traffic cops are gonna be wildin out and pulling you over for stupid stuff. these local/state govts need the money!!! tix are being handed out like halloween candy on a pedophile-filled street. even chicksi know who are notorious for gettin outta tix have gotten tix, even if for lesser offenses than originally pulled over for. *smh*
One thing to do (or not to do) depending on what police officer you’re dealing with.
- Offer to treat them to a jelly donut. I say it depends because one police officer will be
hungry than a mofomuch obliged to partake in jelly donut “goodness “* while another will be offended by an ol’ tired stereotype and give ya ticket and/or arrest you on sheer principle.*I place the word, goodness, in quotes because jelly donuts are effing gross.
so far, i’ve noticed a bit of a gender difference in the responses to the gates situation, and police in general. the women’s comments seem to be more along the “you’re not gonna disrespect me” lines while the men are riding the “do whatever it takes to end this situation as soon as f*cking possible” fence, and, although surprising, this is understandable.
although black women get their fair share of harassment from the cops, i don’t think many of you realize how drastically the rules change when you’re a 6’2 2o0 pound black man instead of a 5’3 140 black woman. if you did, you’d realize that, regardless if he was right or wrong on his own property, gates threatened his own life when (allegedly) following the cops out of his house
@The Champ, naw I’m def on the “do whatever it takes” side. While Gates did what I would have WANTED to do, you save those moments for your Ally McBeal flashbacks. You don’t actually DO what you think you should do. Show some restraint.
I think at best, most women UNDERSTAND why he did it, not sure all of us think he should have done it. I wonder if Gates had to do it all over again would he have done the same exact thing.
@Liz,
foreal Mixon did exactly what i want to do when i get pulled over.
@Liz, no he wouldn’t have…he would have made Crowley punch him so he could get a biopic out of it, too.
@The Champ,
Agree. While I can sympathize with Gates or anyone else getting mad you have to keep your emotions in check. You are at the mercy of the police in this situation. I learned early that the police can do whatever they want to you. They can beat you to death or near death, lie on you etc., and get away with it. The way the system is set up the burden of proof falls on you not the police. Being that this is the way things are a black man has to be very submissive and careful so no “accidents” happen.
@The Champ,
We do realize it… and we are outraged by it. Because we know your lives depend on it, we actually will tell you to act the way you described. But what can be done in the meantime is fight for some semblance of justice. Since we know, y’all can’t do that while being arrested… I volunteer to wild out for y’all and be the case study.
True story. My beau has never lived in the States for an extended period of time (read more than a year), so whenever he visits I give him the talk: Do not, I repeat, do not be a smarty pants with any police officer, whether or not you are right. It does NOT work that way. You say “yes, officer” to everything they say and provide all the documentation they ask of you. Even if they ask you to strip naked, just oblige. I am not trying to be a widow before getting married.
BUT
It does not make it ok. It does not excuse the fact that black men in this country are unfairly and outrageously targeted by cops in EVERY single state. Black in America wanted to show something? They should have shown how the police dispose of black men’s lives like they don’t matter!!! I have lived in Texas for 8 years now, and I have NEVER heard a case of wrongful death of a white person at the end of the police… So allow me to be a bit riled about this whole situation… Thank you.
at the end of the police
This should have read
at the HAND of the police
Blame it on my frustration with this case…
@Sula, slow clap….
yes ma’am
thats my point.. I have been wrongfully arrested and honestly up until they put me in cuffs in the police car? I cooperated. I hadnt done anything wrong, the cop was just pissed off. After they threw me in tight as handcuffs in the back of the car and humiliated me? I no longer gave a f!ck and the bullshyt is he knew it was wrong and told me if I apologized he would let me go. A lot of people feel like I should have done that. But you know what, after my case was dismissed and my complaint against him along with the rules of the case? that cop was put on suspension and later fired. Had I just given in and “recognized my place” he would still be out there on that bullshyt. I was lucky there were lots of witnesses and bystanders but how many mofos had he treated even worse with no witnesses?
what pisses me off is so many people who have not had an interaction with that 1 power crazy prejudiced cop think its that simple all the time…
Its not. I hate that we as a people knowing how effed up the system can be ALWAYS shake our heads and say “he should have known better’ in these conversations. Where is the outrage at the fact that he was WRONGFULLY arrested on his own property? where is the outrage in that?
@shay_d_lady,
I hate that we as a people knowing how effed up the system can be ALWAYS shake our heads and say “he should have known better’ in these conversations. Where is the outrage at the fact that he was WRONGFULLY arrested on his own property? where is the outrage in that?
Amen!!!
@Sula, shay_d_lady,
this ain’t AMISTAD, you can sue the cat shyt out of somebody here in the 21st Century and possibly get them to rename the town after you.
@shay_d_lady,
what pisses me off is so many people who have not had an interaction with that 1 power crazy prejudiced cop think its that simple all the time…
Its not. I hate that we as a people knowing how effed up the system can be ALWAYS shake our heads and say “he should have known better’ in these conversations. Where is the outrage at the fact that he was WRONGFULLY arrested on his own property? where is the outrage in that?
i dont think anyone here doubts that the system is effed up, or that there are a few seriously racist rouge cops out there.
all i’m saying is that a black man betters his chances of avoiding incarceration and staying alive if he’s nonconfrontational.
@The Champ, all i’m saying is that a black man betters his chances of avoiding incarceration and staying alive if he’s nonconfrontational
F1ck.
I guesssssss I can agree with that
@The Champ,
This reminds me of the gender-split reaction to that scene in Crash where the couple gets pulled over.
@Deviant,
yeah. me too.
@Deviant, sorry I didn’t see your response before I posted mine…I totally agree with you.
Thandie could have gotten Baby Wipes shot
@The Champ, it’s the Terrence Howard/Hairy Cooch Newton/Matt Dillon CRASH scene all over again.
@Champ
Props to you for working Esther Baxter into todays topic. I forgot how she bulges in certain places.
DO – Use your kids whenever you get pulled over. If I am speeding then we are late for TUTORING, SOCCER PRACTICE, BIBLE STUDY, VOLUNTEER NIGHT AT THE SHELTER. I also make the kids speak to the officer. One night I got pulled over and the officer was shining a flashlight in the car. I asked very MOTHERLY that he not scare my BABIES with the flashlight. He flashed the back seat and my baby girl looked like a deer in headlights. He apologized & it definitely set the tone for me NOT getting a ticket.
DO – Practice your GETTING PULLED OVER SPEECH. Mine is very theatrical. I would label it as a DRAMEDY. I start off by this over exaggerated look of shock w/hand on chest & mouth wide open. Then I give a very mild toned & brief speech on how I never get pulled over and how I support law enforcement. This sometimes includes my work history in law & how I love my city.
DO – Wear big earrings, lipstick or dangle your jeweled arm out of the window if you are a girl with a short cut. I have gotten pulled over quite a few times FOR NO REASON because I KNOW the officers thought I was a dude. Once they see I am a woman they give some lame a$$ excuse and let me go on my way. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, MARYLAND…YUP I CALLED THAT SH*T OUT!!
DO – Shut up at some point. Once the ticket book comes out just pipe down. A large fine might turn into a warning or a lesser fine if you keep you mouth closed.
I have a friend who got pulled over a week ago…I was on the phone when the officer stopped her and she was fuming drunk. I guess they saw her boobs and let her go because she was driving off moments later despite the fact that the officer knew she was dusted.
Boobed up women have it easy. NOt like I can offer D to a woman cop to get out of a ticket.
@CPT Callamity,
“Boobed up women have it easy. ”
Getting pulled over is one rare instance when having a big dunk is not relevant. Unless of course the woman is asked to step out of the car.
@Voiceofreason,
“Getting pulled over is one rare instance when having a big dunk is not relevant. Unless of course the woman is asked to step out of the car.”
HAHA, exactly. I can imagine it now:
*cop glances at average boogage*
Cop: Please step out of the car, ma’am.
*ma’am steps out of car.*
*cop witnesses the glorious donk*
Cop: I’m sorry, there has been a technical glitch in my radar gun…please proceed back to you car…slowly. And sway your hips a bit more. It’s procedure, ma’am.
@Cheekie,
*sigh*
I meant “boobage”…not “boogage”…whatever that may be. *raises fist at typos*
@Cheekie,
Boobage is new to me too, and I’ve heard it all.
@Cheekie,
““boogage”…whatever that may be”
I think that may be an excessive build-up in the nose.
@Voiceofreason: I think I’ve seen that term on the internets…I think. Yeah, it probably was, since the majority of my knowledge nowadays can be attributed to the net.
@Humble_One: That’s exactly what I figured it would be, actually.
@Cheekie,
*cop glances at average boogage*
Cop: Please step out of the car, ma’am.
*ma’am steps out of car.*
*cop witnesses the glorious donk*
Cop: I’m sorry, there has been a technical glitch in my radar gun…please proceed back to you car…slowly. And sway your hips a bit more. It’s procedure, ma’am.
you got me about to choke on my hotpocket lmao
Hell…I wish I could show my “print” in order to get out of stuff…
This makes me think of a night when I was walking past a club in NYC. The cops were trying to arrest this 2520 and he kept trying to get off the ground while they were cuffing him. His girl was a sista and she wouldn’t stop telling the cops, “he didn’t do anything!” There was a long line of black folks waiting to get in the club and the women were telling her to “be quiet!” while all the men were telling him “just stay down!!!”
Apparently that couple did NOT know protocol, but I bet they do now.
@Voiceofreason,
This makes me think of a night when I was walking past a club in NYC. The cops were trying to arrest this 2520 and he kept trying to get off the ground while they were cuffing him. His girl was a sista and she wouldn’t stop telling the cops, “he didn’t do anything!” There was a long line of black folks waiting to get in the club and the women were telling her to “be quiet!” while all the men were telling him “just stay down!!!”
see, it’s times like this you have to love being Black because we will give you some of the best advice ever.
I know had I been outside Skip’s house, I would have been saying “man don’t come out that house! Awwww man you out the house…okay, stop talking about his momma, den! Awww man, now you done got arrested! Who yo’ people?”
4. do have big boobs
Is this why I’ve never gotten a moving violation? I still don’t think having a great set can save you from driving like you have diplomatic immunity. As a woman I’ve noticed crying, acting confused, pretending to be lost, or just giving the impression that you’re an over all flake can work to your benefit. How many times have I had this conversation:
Officer: Awwwwww, don’t cry. Ma’am, just b/c you’re getting pulled over doesn’t mean you’re getting a ticket.
Me: *looking like the cat from Shrek* R-r-r-really???
Now that I think about it, my tears are never fake b/c the thought of all the money I’m about to lose really makes me sad.
@Voiceofreason,
The crying thing can definitely work….
Although I was crying in frustration and annoyance over having to work a court appointment into my busy schedule, the lovely *rolleyes* redneck cop did give me a warning instead of a fine because of said tears.
@Voiceofreason,
“Me: *looking like the cat from Shrek* R-r-r-really???”
*snort* Perfect visual. I would put the cat’s name (and say it in my mind with Antonio Banderas voice), but I’m afraid the moderation monster will get me.
That cat is adorable, though. And any lady who can perfect this look is a lucky one. lol
@Cheekie,
LOL i thought the same thing!
@Champ,
I’m not surprised at all by this. Cops and Black people in general have a tragic history, but the relationship between Black men and white cops is beyond calamitous. Because of this, dudes with any sense at all just want to diffuse the situation. Many women I know have naturally rebellious attitudes towards authority in general.
Unrelated, but this reminds me of the scene in “Crash” where Thandie Newton and Terrence Howard’s characters are pulled over and intimidated by the police officers. The way they both reacted were totally different and I think gender played a big role in it.
@Monk,
And now that I think about it, you might beright. I personally am a bit anti-authority… but will gladly aknowledge when said authority is acting within their rights (I still won’t like them though)…
And I know I would have probably reacted like Thandie Newton’s character as well… Could have gotten us both killed, but I ain’t perfect… Also blame the fact that having this fear of the police is something I am trying to get used to as an adult… It ain’t easy though.
So yeah, it’s probably more of a female trait (and rebellious streak in general) than anything else…
Damned I am glad I live where I live
No insurance here=get it before court and no punishment.
Do… Ask to Reach in your glove box.
Don’t be Paranoid like me and pull over before the Police even pull you over.
@The Hallway,
Yeah, the first one is most definitely good advice. The second one; however, had me cracking up. So, what happened? How did the police handle that?
@The Hallway,
welcome and sh*t
THA RADICALS DO’S N DONT’S WITH THE POPOS
1) Dont be Black- Yea I said it we always get the short end of the stick. You are always guilty and they will always call back up (ery time the pull me over its atleast 3 cars)
1a) Dont be in a hurry- Yea it will take them a hr and a half to fill out a traffic ticket/make sure ur arent a serial killer.
1b) DOnt fit the description- Yea its all bad for you its happened to me and my homies a few times. I’ve gotten a rodney king jr. for looking like a guy that killed 2 people. after the beatdown no appology but i got to sit on the hotter than hell hood of the cop car still cuffed untill they told me to go home and forget about what happened.
1c) Dont call um for help- I sware they must laugh if we call they take the long way ya know the scenic route. When they get there they will prolly arrest you(the caller) see exp. 1b. If you to an annomous tip they will show up at your door to ask you ?’s now you are on blast.
1d) Do KNOW YOUR rights- Dont be a sucka know ya rights i laugh in they faces if i know i aint ridin dirty. exp i got pulled over at 9pm(hella dark) for a air freshener (the lil tress you buy at gas stations) hangin from my rearview mirror? YES *if the so illegal why do they sell um* so yea i laughed in his pale ash face. Like are you serious you fallow me for 3miles then you thro ya light on me for a air freshner. hahaha. he gets mad but wha can he do plus neighbors comin outside so its a big scene now. I get out the car and let him cut it down with his pocketknife and even the neighbors laughed when i told um wha happened.
1e) Have witneses- bring a camera man wear a wire lolololol
@BLUNTBLAZER,
lmao @ dont be black. since many of us at VSB can’t escape that DONT i appreciate you putting up other rules and regulations. you have done a great public service!
@Gem of the Ocean,
gotta have options lol ya kno a,b,c or d and e
@BLUNTBLAZER,
“1c) Dont call um for help”
I have yet to ever call the police for anything. I have seen people call the police, and end up in jail themselves. I will just stay strapped, protect my own neck, and not stop at red lights in certain areas at certain times.
@Legendary Dash,
thas right 911 has always been a joke
@BLUNTBLAZER,
One chick I know called the police to report her car stolen. When she saw the cops coming she crossed the street without using the crosswalk, and was ticketed for jaywalking. She voiced her displeasure with the silly jaywalking ticket, and was charged with disorderly conduct. Pissed about that she got loud, and was taken in for “assaulting an officer of the peace”.
@Legendary Dash,
yup i call those dominoe rollers. one charge turn sinto 3 in less than 5min
@BLUNTBLAZER,
I’ve (along with other folks on here) been eagerly awaiting your list. This post had you name ALL over it, brotha.
LMFAO @ “Don’t be Black”. Like you gotta quit melanin to deal with the police. *dying*
I’ll keep your list in mind, B.
@Cheekie,
lol im jus sayin it help to be a lil lighter lol
or maybe they jus dont like me
@BLUNTBLAZER,
They’re like dogs. Only instead of smelling fear, they smell hate. I think they know you hate them. lol
@Cheekie,
thats interesting am I more affriad of them or do i hate them more. cause i hate um with a passion but they are also the only people in this world i fear besides god.
@BLUNTBLAZER, I co sign this list!
@shay_d_lady,
ty my yung angie davis
@BLUNTBLAZER,
Co-sign all up and through this.
Especially, DO KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!
A. it don’t really matter what you do….. police can / will abuse power.
B. f the police
C. repeat a & b
the last time i got pulled over….the cops hand was shakin like he was havin a seizure…..
all this jumpin we black folks gotta do..cause others run live by fear….
@kingpinenut,
all this jumpin we black folks gotta do..cause others run live by fear….
Ain’t that a B?!
That’s a list I can get behind. F the police!
Never smoke “the pot” with all of your windows rolled up. I understand the circulation of the M.Jane through the heat/AC unit in your Crown Vic ( I happen to drive an FJ) may intensify when you “seal” your vehicle… but really folks, its kinda hard to play it off when you get pulled over and have to roll down your windows, and thunder storm sized smoke clouds excape your automobile like run away slaves.
@Laneianna,
thas why you keep a emergency black and mild if they on you lite that black hella quick and puff it like a dragon and trick um lol
FLIRT,
Granted fellas, I know that this may not work for you, because this is a predominantly male occupation, but for the ladies, make sure you have your wettest lip gloss handy, to shalack all over your soup coolers ASAP!! Play stupid, and act like you dont know shyt!!! If he asks if you were paying attention, tell him that you just caught your boyfriend cheating, and muster up a tear ( if your good).. The vunerable thing ALWAYS works for me!!!
Comment moved to where I intended.
Apparently, you should also not marry white women, or you’ll create a shitstorm on facebook as black women and black men fight to the death about whether Skippy is a race traitor:
http://brandonsaintrandy.wordpress.com
@Brandon St. Randy,
I just read that post… and I am completely and utterly bemused.
What in the heezy??? People will always amaze me!!!
The fact that people have become comfortable with the idea that cops will arrest you if you make them angry is a bad sign.
Not saying it’s not reality, just saying it’s amazing what folks will become accustomed to, and accept as normal. Guess this explains a lot of black history.
@Big Man,
The fact that people have become comfortable with the idea that cops will arrest you if you make them angry is a bad sign.
Zacktly! And that’s what scares me… We are supposed to be the “next generation” of movers and shakers and law changers etc…etc… and we are that complacent? Doesn’t bode well for the future… at all.
@Big Man, OH my GAWD
that is EXACTLY MY POINT
@Big Man, I agree it is a bad sign but then again I partially think cops need to be a lil tough to fight crime. much like how the champ and P are.
no but seriously I think you are right however i don’t think the gates incident is the time to experiment and reevaluate. at least, not in the moment.
The ACLU has us covered:
Know Your Rights: What to Do If You’re Stopped by the Police
http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14528res20040730.html
I keep telling people both sides over-reacted but you know Skip should have known better than to diss dude’s Mama…I’m just saying.
Don’t flip the bird @ the cop. I came *this* close to getting arrested for that one…by a UPitt cop.
Let’s see… for the most part I agree with this post. I can understand why people dislike the police, I mean our track record hasn’t been the best with minorities. And as a man of color and a member of the service, I still have to take the same precautions that many other black men have to do when dealing with the police. But I still find the rebellious ways of acting towards the police disturbing. My word of advice is to swallow your pride and take whatever the officer throws at you in stride. Avoid the smart talk, avoid being combative, just explain whatever you have to explain and let it be. Sometimes you can’t avoid a summons or being arrested. It’s a sad fact, but I can tell you 9 times out of 10 your mouth gets you into more trouble. I know, I’m there everyday and the one throwing your behind in jail for reasons you came up with.
To those that stay strapped and have weapons on you, f-ck you. You guys are the reason why we shut down parties. You guys are the reason why we frisk and search other men while they cry out harassment and the like. You guys are the reason why I have to sit on a body at 4am, because you decided to shoot a cab driver in the head because you didn’t have enough money for cab fare.
Wish death on me, say f the police, and say whatever. Just keep making the same mistakes for me so I can catch you slipping.
@copy,
Oh, I see.
OTHER PEOPLE make you break the law, and that’s acceptable when you do it, but a crime when they do it.
So, you harass people, which is illegal, and it’s fine ’cause you’re justified.
Cats sell drugs in the hood to make money because they are poor and lack prospects, and that’s just wrong.
Breaking the law is fine as long as you’re a police officer. Got it.
Figures you’d say that bull, Big Man. Did I say all those things in your reply? Not the least. I’ve never broke the law when doing my job. And that’s the thing, a lot of people need to learn the law and know what we can and can’t do. Harassing people? So coming up to a person and askig simple questions is harassing? Nearly every tom, dick and harry try to pull that shit with me. Doing my job isn’t harassment. You should be happy that I do my job or there would be a lot more weapons and drugs floating about.
So please, tell me how I should do my job? Tell me how I should operate within your parameters?Robbery with a knife and some guy fits the descript? Oh let the guy go bc I’m harassing him if I stop him and pat him down.
lol, this was definitely on point.