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The Democrats Are Led By Fucking Grown-Ups, And The GOP Is Led By An Adolescent Cheeto

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For as long as I’ve been aware of American politics and the differences — real and perceived — between our two major parties, I’ve also been aware that the GOP has been touted as the party for grown-ups. For serious (White) men and the women those serious (White) men were married to. The solid and sober and solemn oak trees of America, that stood stubbornly and valiantly steady while the winds of social change swayed anything unfortunate enough to be unsettled. No, you would not find many new ideas floating around them. Or platforms. Or concepts. Or even new types of people. In fact, not only would you not find these things, they’d be openly antagonistic towards them, regarding them as distractions. Weeds. Flotsam. But at least — at the very least — their performative grownassness was reliably reliable.

Yet, as I’ve watched both the RNC and the DNC over the past week and a half, listening to each party’s litany of speakers and celebrities and alphas, one theme has been a bit more stark and unambiguous than the rest: The Democrats are led by grown-ups. Which is something the Republicans can no longer say about themselves after collectively deciding to rally behind a half-baked soufflé of analog cucumbers.

Regardless of what you say about Hillary Clinton — and there are many, many, many, many uncomplimentary things you could say about her (and be right) — you can not deny that she’s a serious woman. With a serious career. And serious ideas. Who has devoted her life to doing serious things. And who is comfortable in a room with equally serious people. Basically, she’s a fucking grown up. As is our President and Vice President. And Hillary’s husband, the former President. All men who could and should be criticized and held accountable for decisions they’ve made. But all fucking grown ups. 

Our amazing First Lady? A fucking grown up. Bernie Sanders? A fucking grown up. Jill Biden? A fucking grown up. Shit, Tim Kaine isn’t just a fucking grown-up. He’s a computer-generated conglomeration of every dad from an 80’s teen movie. If someone today replaced Tim Kaine as Hillary Clinton’s running mate with Tim Allen, I doubt we’d even notice until September. Of 2018. If Donald Trump was born on third base, Tim Kaine was born in the driver’s seat of a Dodge Caravan.

This all stands in stark contrast to the cacophony of unripe fuckshit we witnessed during the RNC, which was less political convention and more post-lunch recess at a charter school with no gym. None of the tenderfoot motherfuckers they paraded in front of America could reasonably be called a “serious” person. Wicked? Perhaps. Uncouth? Maybe. A gotdamn clownfraud? Definitely. But serious? A fucking grown-up? Hell no. Forget about running a country, would you trust Donald Trump to even babysit a cashew? Are you 100% confident that if you gave Melania Trump a Starbucks order, she’d come back with actual coffee instead of a picture of someone drinking coffee? Are we certain Chris Christie lives in an actual house and not a Trump University pull-out folder or a 14-story sugar cookie?

Of course, none of this is funny. Actually, let me qualify that. It is funny. It’s funny as fuck right now. It’s fucking hilarious that the party which has attempted (rather successfully) to brand itself as the adults in the room has put its future in the hands of the underdeveloped Cheeto at the bottom of a bag of Cheetos. The oak trees have been uprooted and replaced with Fruit Roll-Ups. It becomes exponentially less funny, however, when you realize the cheeto is a hair away from leading the country.

Which is why, when November comes around, I implore you all to just do what your parents taught you to do when you were six years old: listen to the grown-ups. Which in 2016 just means “vote for the Democrat.

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • Courtney Wheeler

    Tim Kaine is America’s corny/cool white dad who probably wears Steph Curry’s sneakers but air guitars the bassline to any Earth Wind and Fire song.

    • KortAlmighty

      Bless his heart, I bet he dances like this:
      http://i.giphy.com/vNQI1pruAFFkc.gif

      • laidbacklawyer

        That’s him.

      • DBoySlim

        He kicked it with my frat brothers at VT one year. Threw the football and all. He is such a dad.

      • Courtney Wheeler

        You know he does. He’s your mom’s white co worker that always comes to family events but he always the first one there with his wife and like a bunt cake.

        • CookieGugglemanFleck

          Are you an FBI profiler? Because if not, you should be.

          • Courtney Wheeler

            Aw..Thanks..that meant a lot to me! haha

          • Laurajferguson4

            <<o. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????:::::::!!br854p:….,….

      • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

        Hiiiilarious!!!

        Edit: One more time……*cackles*

      • Blueberry01

        You beta dance, Mr. Blue Polo!

      • Christopher Yellen

        I’m not voting for the Vice President of dancing.Besides, that dude looks like he’s full of joy. I’d hang out with him.

      • E. J. Sheehan

        He does. He is that dad in your neighborhood that will drive all his son’s friends 45 minutes to go to a minor league baseball game.

      • I can truly see this.

    • Duff Soviet Union

      He was a really good pick by Hillary. I’d never heard of him and kind of rolled my eyes at what seemed like a bland / safe / inoffensive pick, but she’s got it right.

    • Medium Meech

      Kaine is the kind of dude to wear tube socks with sandals and a fanny pack
      Kaine is the kind of dude that has 3 kids but his wife has never seen him naked
      Kaine is the kind of dude that shakes your fist when you go to give him a pound
      Kaine is the kind of dude that wears loafers and pleated shorts to the gym
      Kaine is the kind of dude that says dude
      Kaine is the kind of dude wine in a box and cereal from a bag
      Kaine is the kind of dude throws a football underhand
      Kaine is the kind of dude that slaps his wife’s @ss with the back of his hand

      Basically he’s the middle aged white version of Drake

      • Courtney Wheeler

        Tim Kaine brings craft beer to every cookout…And your family only drinks hard liquor and Heineken.

        • Kaine can come to my cookout if he’s bringing craft beer.

          • Tambra

            Sam Adams?

            • Not a craft beer, but something I have hooked up to me via IV. It goes down easy and has decent taste.

        • Epsilonicus

          Stop telling my story!!! lol

          • Courtney Wheeler

            My best guyfriend is white and if I invite him to a family function he either brings craft beer..or beer that he made himself. I want to record him explaining what a “Saison beer” is next time to my cousins haha

            • Epsilonicus

              My cousin’s husband bring moonshine. I stick to craft beer.

              • Courtney Wheeler

                Lord..that use to be my dad. You can take the man out the country but you can’t take the country out of the man…

        • erinfromlongisland

          I feel like he would bring Blue Moon, thinking it was craft beer.

          • badphairy

            Ha!

      • Johanne Sterling

        “Basically he’s the middle aged white(r) version of Drake”

        DEAD.

    • I really want a big ole’ bear hug from him. I’m gonna make that happen!

    • brothaskeeper

      That dad you see in the arena lobby at the Nick Jonas concert in the Polo with the curled-under collar, faded dad jeans, and brown skechers who’s on his Sudoku app after just dropping off her daughter and her girlfriends.

    • King Beauregard

      Tim Kaine is the dad you’re embarrassed to be the kid of, but all your friends wish their dads were more like him.

    • brothaskeeper

      He tells his YT friends that his favorite EWF song is “Shining Star”, but secretly it’s really “On Your Face”.

  • Negro Libre
    • Courtney Wheeler

      Omg. How did I forget about that?

      • Val

        I didn’t. I can’t even enjoy Clint Eastwood movies anymore.

        • L8Comer

          What did he say?

          • Val

            It was bazaar, L8. He was basically criticizing Obama and calling him an empty suit.

            • L8Comer

              OMG I’m watching it now, lol he’s off his rocket. He’s been off for a few years now. I can’t believe he’s 86!

              • mr. steal your costco samples

                he talked to a chair for half an hour. and compared to this year it looks like the damn Gettysburg Address.

                • L8Comer

                  I saww… it’s really weird. Someone shoulda stopped him

                  • Kas

                    Everyone is afraid of the man with no name.

                  • Val

                    Yeah, he had no friends that night. Lol

                    • Kas

                      See my edit to my original post

                • Guest

                  I just gufawwed (sorry for the spelling) out loud. BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA……

                  • badphairy

                    One more f and one less w and you got it.

        • Cleojonz

          I’m with you. I haven’t seen a single Clint Eastwood movie since this happened.

          • miss t-lee

            Me neither.

    • miss t-lee

      Oh man. This was so terrible…lol

  • Duff Soviet Union

    I agree with the general point, but I’m not sure I’d call Bernie Sanders a grown up. He seems incredibly temperamental, really naive and kind of clueless to reality.

    Everything else is on point though. I used to be one who thought there was no real difference between the two parties and it didn’t matter who you voted for, but this election it has to be the Democrats. Hillary has her problems, but at least she’s sane and competent.

  • Medium Meech

    Tim Allen was arrested for cocaine trafficking and would have gotten a life sentence had he not snitched on his connect. So no, the composite of 80s sitcom dads are actually more metal than Tim Kaine. They make Tim Kaine look like, well, even more Tim Kaine than before. But making Tim Kaine look more Tim Kaine is like trying to multiply infinity, it’s theoretically possible but you wont notice a difference.

    Receipts: http://www.thundertreats.com/articles/entertainment/tim-allen-was-arrested-for-trafficking-in-1978-and-almost-spent-life-in-prison.html

    • miss t-lee

      Tim Kaine is actually Paul Reiser’s character from My Two Dads.
      In my head, at least.

  • Val

    You’re right, Damon, but that still doesn’t mean that Hillary and the Party of grown-ups will be victorious in November. Trump has amped up the Republican rhetoric to epic levels but pretty much everything he’s said has been said before, albeit with a little more finesse, by previous Republican Presidential candidates and most of them have won the White House.

    America’s White Republican population is not a mature group as a whole. They, generally speaking, are regressive and angry and are a bunch a woe is me whiners. So, they are eating this Trump rhetoric up.

    Compare that to Hillary’s admittedly grown up rhetoric that is inspiring almost no one. I mean the only people who are seemingly excited by Hillary are middle aged White women. And there just aren’t enough of them to guarantee a victory for Hillary.

    At a time in America’s history when most would expect its politics to reach a certain level of maturity Trump and his followers are proof that this country has a long way to go before it can consider its Democracy a mature one.

    • Glo

      Yeah, Trump’s entire movement is emotional (and largely based on fear), and it’s motivating unhappy people who would never otherwise have voted. Very few people are as passionate about Hillary as Trump’s followers are about Trump.

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        I think they are just quiet. it’s a true silent majority. when Trump telling women ON HIS SIDE that they got ugly faces and too much menses, and his supporters are all in on that tip, I think many people don’t find it safe to express support / passion for Hillary.

        • Val

          I think it’s the opposite. I think a lot of people who publicly say Trump is awful and they’d never vote for him will slink into the voting booth in November and vote for him. Then they will swear up and down that they didn’t.

          • mr. steal your costco samples

            it could happen — but the polling should tell. cats spent 2007-8 sweating the Bradley effect which turned out to be a myth, so I’m not too worried.

          • LMNOP

            I wonder how much this is already happening in polling.

            • Val

              There’s no way to know but I think there are a considerable amount of these people out there.

          • Duff Soviet Union

            I think you’re both right. Open racist candidates *always* do better than the polls say because people are ashamed to admit they’re voting for them. At the same time, there are a lot of Hillary fans who just don’t feel comfortable expressing enthusiasm for her and opening themselves up to all sorts of trolling.

            • Question

              I think it cuts both ways. Because there is also a cult of the opposition. In some circles, its hard to say publicly that you AREN’T going to vote for Donald Trump, especially in the South without being portrayed as a traitor to certain “American” values.

              The truth is, this election is going to be a toss up.

        • NonyaB

          True. Plus a significant # of longtime Rebublicans can’t/won’t admit publicly that they’re voting dem this time, even if they openly despise drumf. That said, a # of people will also secretly vote drumf, question is which of these two segments is bigger.

      • Question

        Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Irrational exuberance is tough to control and downright scary when it turns against you.

    • NomadaNare

      HRC would be a great candidate if she didnt have entire bodies of policy that were detrimental to everyone not white and rich as well as the modern neoliberal incarnation of the democratic party in her past

      Its great to declare one party the serious one for grown ups and the other a haven for unsophisticated knuckle dragging baboons but both have continued to throw everyone not white and rich under the bus

      Truth be told I would elect a sofa cushion if instructions for true and lasting change were sewn onto it

      • Val

        You speak no lies, NN.

        • Tambra

          Well when you have seasoned politicians like Guiliani bending over to justify Trump’s actions you can not expect better.

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        america don’t want true and lasting change. we want to rob somebody, grab somebody, stomp somebody, slap somebody, then step to the bar and sip Bacardi

      • Crawford

        Which policies? Looking through her site and some analysts(like this one: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-economic-plan-democratic-national-convention/) on her policies, I don’t think we’re going to be screwed over as much as people think we are.

    • People like to vote with their heart. Hillary’s spent the bulk of her life constraining her passions for the sake of Bill’s career and, in the process, having her loyalty betrayed because Bill has a hungry soul that he fills with attention of any, but particularly physical, form.

      She acts with her head and I’m with her.

      Hhharris.wordpress.com

    • eelo

      You’d be surprised how many middle-aged white women there are, and how many of us vote. *wink*

      • be kind

        And bring a friend. Yes, we do.

    • JoseAmerica

      Trump has rhetoric and that’s about it. There has been a little written on the fact that he has very little organization in that states that matter and his Get Out The Vote effort is absurdly behind where it needs to be. Getting people to rallies and getting on TV is not the same as getting people to the polls, and I think he’s going to suffer a great deal for that.

      Clinton, on the other hand, pretty much inherited Obama’s incredibly efficient infrastructure. So you can count that she will be on point with that. That’s got to be worth 5% on election day.

  • The empty pursuit of power is petty. The Republican mind is exhausted and it’s now just flailing to hold on to what it has.

    • brothaskeeper

      Well said!

  • kingpinenut

    Now i’m hongry…thanks for nothing :/

    *goes to get some cheetos*

  • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

    “Regardless of what you say about Hillary Clinton — and there are many, many, many, many uncomplimentary things you could say about her (and be right) — you can not deny that she’s a serious woman. With a serious career. And serious ideas. Who has devoted her life to doing serious things. And who is comfortable in a room with equally serious people. Basically, she’s a fucking grown up. As is our President and Vice President. And Hillary’s husband, the former President.”

    The entire post was on point, but this resonated with me. All the jabs and digs taken, I agree, Hill is a grown woman. I mean….how funny or “exciting” do you need to be to run the country? I’m guessing, if you plan to do a good job, probably not much at all. Just do the dang job. Bring your grown-up and handle your business. Also, this women went through it and publicly at that. It’s seems harsh to knock her at every turn. She’s no saint, nope I don’t believe that AT ALL. And you know what? I won’t even knock her for staying with Slick Willie because as with many women and men alike have gone through the same, she had every right to fight for her marriage. At least though most have the privilege of working through it privately, not Hill so much. So, yeah maybe she ain’t all kicks and giggles, unfunny and boring, but maybe at this point in her life there’s nothing to laugh at. She’s a grown up and that’s all that matters….”growner” than Trump…..ugh

    I just want Trump to evaporate…..like seriously!!

    • Crawford

      Some of the stuff has nothing to do with her policies and more to do with the person they perceive her to be. I know some of the more liberal millennials mock her attempts to try and be with it and repeat some stuff that makes me wonder if they even try to look at the whole picture.
      She doesn’t work well in a world where clickbait headlines and lists are the norm for journalism and every person is a brand. Her whole website is a chore to go through and people, especially young people, just want little quotes.

      • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

        Most of it has to do with perception. I get all of this, being socially inept, trying too hard to fit in, and ain’t caught up yet, but it seems pointless at this point to rip on her. I haven’t really checked for her and I’m no fan (like I’m sounding….tee hee hee) but if she’s the better option then lemme open my mind see what’s credible about her.

        It’s her or Donald. Dassit….LOL

        • Duff Soviet Union

          I like Hillary more than most and it’s a fairly recent development.

          There was a really good article on Vox a couple of weeks ago about why she’s so underrated. Basically the things she’s bad at (speeches, charisma) tend to be overrated in politicians and the things she’s good at (building relationships in both parties, mending bridges, policy, listening to others) tend to be underrated.

          It’s very gendered, but not in the openly hateful sort of way that is most visible. Basically the things people want in politicians are stereo-typically “male” traits, even if they’re not that important really, while the things she’s good at are more stereo-typically “female” traits.

          It also had a really good comparison between her and Sanders. Sanders is a great talker, but not actually that knowledgeable (remember that embarrassing interview where he was asked about how he’d actually break up the banks and he had no idea?) and not a good relationship builder so he got a lot of “buzz”, while Hillary is not a good speaker but is very knowledgeable and had the endorsement of the entire party not because “it’s rigged” but because she’s built relationships with everyone in the party for 30 years.

          • Johanne Sterling

            THANK YOU. That has been my frustration this entire time. Also people like Hillary when she is just working. They hate her when she is actively seeking power. Which goes for most women.

            http://qz.com/624346/america-loves-women-like-hillary-clinton-as-long-as-theyre-not-asking-for-a-promotion/

            • Duff Soviet Union

              Yep, that was mentioned too. In fact, I think Hillary mentioned it.

          • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

            I agree

          • I read that article too. I got the point, but I could also see how it could go wrong. Every trait has a flaw, and a smart person knows where they’re lacking and can balance them out. I could see the strengths and weaknesses of such a collaborative approach.

            • Duff Soviet Union

              It did mention her weaknesses. I thought it was a really well balanced article. It specifically mentioned her healthcare policy where she listened to too many people and it turned into an incomprehensible mess. It also said that she was willing to mend fences with the Republicans who shredded the policy which not many would be willing to do.

              It also mentioned the Iraq war, which I think she’s taken too much heat for. Yeah, she was on the wrong side of history, but people act like she was more personally responsible than Bush, Rumsfeld or Cheney which is unfair. Not really a defense, but she was hardly alone in voting for that war.

          • eelo

            Well stated. This clearly explains why I have supported Hillary for a LONG time.

          • JanuaryBabe

            Thank you for that! You got it right! But can you imagine if both she a-n-d ole Slick Willie both had over the top personalities? LAWD!!!!

          • mr. steal your costco samples

            When Bernie had no idea how he’d break up the banks, I was done. That is some bull, and maybe he wanted to stay away from the obvious socialist answer of nationalizing them (but even then, the question is, who gets nationalized and who doesn’t? what aspect of financial services / investment banking are best nationalized and what aren’t?)

          • RustysR

            That was an excellent article – very balanced and positive. I’ve seen a lot of criticism leveled at Hillary because Bernie (and Trump) drew huge crowds to their rallies while Hillary “just” met with smaller groups of folks and had discussions with them. But isn’t that what we wish more of our politicians would do? Instead of giving a stump speech over and over, she sat and listened to people on a wide variety of issues. It may not be glitter or glamor, but it’s enabled her to accomplish a whole lot. And I totally agree with your last statement – she’s “rigged” the system by working with people (from organizations and both political parties) for many years – supporting them and their issues with far more than congressional votes.

      • Dani

        I also think that those who don’t like her and think she’s not qualified has not truly researched her. No she may not have been a Freedom Fighter and marched with King, but she has worked very hard throughout her career for the lower and middle class. More than some can say, especially her opponent. I definitely think she’s qualified for the position. Her entire career has lead up to this moment.

  • BrownBearBear

    Not only is the GOP an undeveloped Cheeto, it’s just a basic Cheeto. It wishes it could aspire to be a Flamin’ Hot Cheeto, leaving hot Cheeto dust all over your fingers. No, forever basic.

    • brothaskeeper

      A Cheeto ball.

      • BrownBearBear

        They only look worse trying to get that Flamin’ Hot Limon Cheeto vote. Just stop ya’ll.

      • ChokeOnThisTea

        The generic brand at that. Cheezy balls.

    • Val

      Every time someone mentions Cheetos all I can think of is Don Cheeto. Lol Who said that? I can’t remember.

      • HoobaStankyLeg

        That was me. Sorry. I was telling folks on Twitter about the time I broke up with a dude who called Don Cheadle, Don Cheeto. I said the only ‘Don Cheeto’ I know is Tramp. It just kinda stuck after that…So that is what I’ve been referring to him as for the duration of this election cycle.

        • L8Comer

          This is hilarious!

          • HoobaStankyLeg

            What’s funny is I was really peeved by the fact he said ‘Don Cheeto’ instead of Cheadle. I don’t know why it enraged me the way it did. I couldn’t mess with that young man after that. But maybe this election is the reason that stuck out in my mind…..

            • L8Comer

              That would bother the hayle out of me too! I’d be side eyeing him so hard everytime until one day I just went off. That’s why its hilarious lolol. did u ever try to correct him?

              • HoobaStankyLeg

                I just cut my eyes, put my shoes on, drove to the phone store and changed my number. That was back when I was savage though. Well, that, and it seemed like everything he said was just stupid. But HE really thought he was smart…..It was the straw that broke the camels back.

                • L8Comer

                  Bahahahaha!!! So dead at your response lol!

        • Val

          Lol

        • Kas

          So if a guy axe you what your name is, he has no shot?

          • HoobaStankyLeg

            I don’t know what you mean.

            • Kas

              You dumped a guy over mispronouncing Cheadle. I figured men who say axe instead of ask would be fighting an uphill battle with you.

              • HoobaStankyLeg

                Nah. He was just grating. Every other thing that came out of his mouth was really stupid. And yet he thought he was going to boss me. When I come across people like this, I exit stage left. That moment was simply the straw that broke the camels back. I’m one of the easiest people in the world to get along with. Respect me, I’ll respect you, now lets get it. Feel me?

                • Kas

                  “Easy to get along with, don’t want no trouble”, got it.

                  • HoobaStankyLeg

                    Exactly.

  • mr. steal your costco samples

    You on it.

    I don’t like Hillary in the same way as Barack. But she has been getting the sharp end of the stick from the biggest jerks in the country for TWENTY FIVE YEARS and stayed with it. She’s the best kind of tryhard and an exceptional intellect plus amazing resume to boot. I’m with it. Barack had to show her what it was a little, but once she got back on the team, she been strong.

    I’m with her as the protect O’s legacy pick.

    • Val

      This is a serious question; folks keep saying Hillary is such a smart woman but where is the proof of that? I’m not saying she isn’t I just feel like people may be seeing something I’m not. How exactly is she so smart?

      • She’s not as socially intelligent as Bill. Nor does she play three-dimensional chess like Barry.

        But she is dogged. She helped get the 9/11 through and blasted the EPA for lying about the air quality in lower Manhattan. In a brilliant long game, Hillary crossed the world and back as Secretary of State and ultimately got Iran to the table and defused their nuclear weapons program.

        She lacks the talent of her predecessors, but outshines them in grit and policy knowledge. Hillary wouldn’t of given up on the single layer option with Obamacare- and she knows enough about government to have completely gotten her way.

        Republicans fear her because she’s a lady who won’t hesitate to kick their crap in.

        • Val

          Okay, so it’s not really her intellect so much as her ability to stick with things and not give up. Got it. Thanks.

          • blueevey

            Pretty sure she’s a Rhodes scholar too…

            Edit: and she went to Yale law school.

            • Val

              So both she and Bill were Rhodes Scholars? Or just Bill?

              • Kas

                I thought just Bill

                • Val

                  That’s what I thought too.

              • HoneyRose

                She’s not a Rhodes scholar – women weren’t eligible for the Rhodes Scholarship until 1977. Hillary graduated from Wellesley in 1969.

          • Kas

            I would say you can’t be as wonkish as she is reported to be without being very intelligent.

          • weethomas

            No, it’s her intellect that helps her get stuff done. She does not connect with voters as well, but there is a difference between intellect and charisma.

            • I agree there are different areas of intelligence. I guess just thinking that Obama outfoxed her in the Democratic primaries show that Obama has better strategic instincts.

              hhharris.wordpress.com

              • weethomas

                Sure. It’s like the difference between street smarts and book smarts. Having one doesn’t necessary ensure you’d have the other. As a candidate, Obama was(still is) way more skilled.

                • Yeah. I think Obama is a once in a generation political leader. Like, Hillary is good, but Barry is just MAGIC.

                  hhharris.wordpress.com

                • Duff Soviet Union

                  This goes back to what I was saying upthread. Obama is more electable than Hillary because he’s a much better speaker. When it comes to the stuff politicians actually have to do in office (negotiating, crafting policy, building alliances), I think Hillary is at least as good as Obama. People just don’t place as much importance on those traits.

          • Photoshop’s a helluva drug

            That woman is very smart. She’s driven, ambitious and dedicated. She’s as smart as Bill who I once got meet in person and he ridiculous smart too. She studies ando works hard. This really shouldn’t be a race.

          • Persistence trumps talent every, every day of the week. It’s both philosophically sound and psychologically true.

            hhharris.wordpress.com

          • Guest

            I can see you just don’t like her, which is fine. I’m more indifferent to her. IMO, I don’t think there’s really anything anyone can say that will change your mind about her, because she has both good and bad characteristics. The bad characteristics seem to outway the good ones for you.

          • Epsilonicus

            She has high IQ but low EQ, to use that phraseology.

            • Question

              I think she has high EQ but she has to be very careful in how she wields it. She has to have high EQ to get people to listen to her on her own merits. EQ isn’t about likability – its about understanding and adjusting to the emotional drivers of others. You don’t have to be liked to display EQ.

          • Question

            It is her absolutely her intellect. I know you don’t like her, but do you really think Hillary is dumb or of average-American intelligence? Like, you honestly feel that way about her intellect?

            Think about the people she deals with on a daily basis – heads of state, heads of military, corporate titans. You think they listen to her because she’s Bill’s wife or so they can feel like they’ve done their give-diversity-a-chance duty for the day? These are people who are waiting for her to foul up, miss a point, overlook a detail, so they can dismiss her evermore and feel validated in her assumptions about her.

            Men don’t have to be likable; they get the privilege of being disliked and still being seen as competent and capable. Women don’t get that privilege…and its a bummer to hear women, of all people, project that onto other women.

            • Val

              Meh, I’m really bored with the oh you’re criticizing her because she’s a woman stuff. She’s running to be President of the United States. Being under the microscope is part of that. And expecting people not to criticize her or question her qualifications because she’s a woman is a deflection and also sad.

              • badphairy

                You should probably examine for yourself why that bothers you. Because…it’s true.

                • Val

                  Lol Okay.

              • Question

                Where have I said that you can’t or shouldn’t criticize Hillary for any reason? I asked if you honestly believe she is unintelligent and then made a case based on the circles that she is in that she has to be intelligent because people wouldn’t take her seriously otherwise. I didn’t say you couldn’t criticize her; I simply challenged the basis on which you have done so.

                You can absolutely criticize her and question her qualifications. You have every right to especially considering the position she is pursuing.

        • Karla KL Brady

          When I worked at the Pentagon, I got to see her up close in a Senate hearing. My boss was a senior military leader there to discuss the Iraqi insurgency. Out of all the senators there–men or women–she was the ONLY one who really did her homework. She knew every nuance. She asked every right question. She’s SHARP. And she stood toe to toe with every person there…maybe a shoulder above. A Barack Obama was in the same hearing and I didn’t get the same warm and fuzzies for him that day. Make no mistake about it — she is more than competent for the job. When Barack Obama says she’s as qualified as him or Bill, he isn’t BSing. I’ve seen it up close.

          • JanuaryBabe

            And that is exactly why the Repuks are fighting so hard against her!…..and they have been fighting her hard for over 25 years! Because they knew if she ever go to the Oval Office they would be toast! I’m with HER!

          • E. J. Sheehan

            That is good to hear.

          • be kind

            Thank you. It is a pleasure to hear things like this from someone who (I assume) isn’t just trying to sell us something or someone.

            • Karla KL Brady

              Oh, no. I’m not definitely not selling. I don’t agree with Hillary on every issue by a long shot. But there is no denying her qualifications to be president. With that said, I adore Barack Obama now but COMPLETELY disagreed with him that day. He was very idealistic, a bit too much for my tastes. We were part of a faction in the pentagon that believed the void of US military would increase instability and allow an ISIS-like entity to fill it. Obama wanted us out yesterday. And we did have to get out; it was just about timing. Hillary understood this. Very much so. She and Obama disagreed…at least on timing. I will also say — I worked with full bird Colonels and generals. They didn’t alway agree with Hillary but they respected her. She respected them and the tough job they had to do which is why she showed up prepared. I can respect that. Finding out that her father was Navy explains a lot, I think.

              • RustysR

                Was it Biden (or Kaine?) who “whispered” the other night during the convention about what
                Republican members of Congress say about Hillary when they’re sure no one else is listening? I don’t remember his exact words, but they respect her and her skills very much. (Of course there are the outliers, the downright looney teabaggers who will never have a good word to say for her – or any other Democrat for that matter. Actually, they don’t have good words for others in their own party either.)

                • Karla KL Brady

                  I didn’t hear it, but I believe it! I don’t know very many people who can’t appreciate exceptional work ethic and intelligence (obviously they exist in big numbers…LOL…but you know what I’m saying…normal people). Too many only know the Fox News caricature painted by the conservative and some of the liberal media. She may be some of it but she’s certainly so much more than that.

          • RustysR

            I worked with some lobbyists on a project in DC awhile back. They dealt with a lot of politicians and were pretty cynical about most of them, but even if they weren’t fans of Hillary, they said that she was “always the smartest person in the room”. She’s acknowledged that she doesn’t have the natural charisma of Obama or Bill and (for better or worse) that matters a lot during the campaigns. What matters in the White House and on the world stage is the wonkiness and strength that she definitely has.

            • Question

              It bothers me that people are starting to equate charisma with intelligence and questioning her leadership capabilities because she isn’t as affable as Barack or Bill. Women in positions of power rarely get the CHANCE to be affable, because as a woman being liked and being competent are viewed by many on opposing sides of the scale.

              Think about the realm she operates in – heads of state, heads of military, business titans. She HAS to be smart to get people to listen to her. There is no way around it. To be the only woman in the room, she HAS to know her stuff every-which-way-from-Sunday because people are waiting, hoping for her to screw up so they can not only dismiss her, but feel validated in their assumptions about her.

              • RustysR

                An excellent comment and absolutely correct! (I’d “like” it multiple times if I could.) It also seems that “charisma” is far too often assigned male characteristics. He’s enthusiastic, she’s shrill; he’s friendly, she’s trying to suck up; he’s clever, she’s vicious – and the list goes on.

        • Guest

          Hilary is that bitch. If you’re on her team, you’ll win; you cross her, you’re dead.

          I have the same feeling about her. She plays no games.

        • JanuaryBabe

          And you are absolutely correct! Thank you!

      • Eric Van Bezooijen

        Have you seen her resume? It’s a mile long and includes firsts such as the first (I believe) woman on the board of Wal-mart. She endured a 10+ hour grilling on Benghazi and although I didn’t watch I’m sure she didn’t just repeat “I don’t recall” over and over again.

        The problem is she is being compared to two men who are among the smartest Presidents we’ve ever had: Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Bill Clinton especially shines in the charisma department. These two men can comfortably discuss any subject with authority and she simply doesn’t have their charisma. That doesn’t mean she isn’t extremely capable. She’s certainly miles ahead of Bush II and light years ahead of numbskull Trump.

        • I felt Hillary would of been happiest if she was a professor.

          hhharris.wordpress.com

          • Jazz G

            Why? Those that can’t do, teach. At least that is what they say. You just made many great points about why she can do. I think she’ll be happiest as President.

            • I was a teacher and still, as a college counselor, I get plenty done by spending time in the classroom. I spend more time on average with a person’s children than their parents and it’s on me to make sure they’re academically prepared for the world. If “they” say I can’t teach, I wonder what interest “they” have in putting down educators.

              • Jazz G

                I am sure you do. But usually as a professor/teacher you are not “doing” the thing that you are teaching. I am not saying that educators are not capable – I am just saying that I think she likes being out there.

                • If you’re talking about teaching thesis statements or derivatives or supply curves, we “do” our work everyday; it was someone, in some school, who taught you the spelling, grammar, and punctuation to express such a banal and cliched impression. Our work is taking the world and explaining it to people. And I’m a tad frustrated you’re defending your thoughtless statement about teaching.

                  I don’t disagree with anything you say about Hillary, save for you putting down my profession to elevate your opinion.

                  • Jazz G

                    I am not being derisive to your profession. I send my son to private school so he has the best teachers. I am fully aware and appreciative to his teachers because I know that they are a large part of the person that he is. I am just saying that there is a difference between practicing law, physics, research, etc. and teaching it. Furthermore, the saying is asinine hence why I qualified it with that is what “they” say. I’m not trying to defend that saying – it isn’t even my saying, it is a cliche. I was just responding to you saying she would be happiest being a professor. I really doubt that.

                    • badphairy

                      Yes, you really are. By saying those that have no other skills, become teachers. Own it.

                    • Jazz G

                      Ok.

                  • UnsungWoman

                    I’m a teacher as well and I hate that saying so much. That was one of the first things my mom told me when I told her I got accepted into Teach for America some years ago.

                    • I’m a TFA Alum- Mississippi Delta ’08! What’s your corps?

                    • UnsungWoman

                      Oh awesome!!! I did TFA in Houston. I’m part of the ’14 corps. Still teaching but left the district for KIPP!!!

                    • UnsungWoman

                      So I just looked on your blog…let me just say…I am so jealous of you right now for going to KSS in ATL. Not to mention that there were black journalists talking about a subject that Im passionate about. I’m trying to get back into the field. See, we were meant to connect some kind of way.

                    • I also work for a KIPP School in Arkansas! I worked with all high school students for 7 years and am in my second year coaching and teaching our alumni as they go to and through college.

                      Were you at KSS? I just wrote about it on my blog!

                      Hhharris.wordpress.com

                    • UnsungWoman

                      No, I didn’t! Wasn’t in the budget to take our teachers this year. I went to the one in Anaheim last year. I definitely wanted to go to ATL. I read your blog. It’s great. Loved your insight.

                    • It’ll be in Vegas next year, once again. Summits in Vegas are always messy, save for that Vegas Summit where I met my wife!

                      Make sure stop on by the blog and give me some shares on the Facebook!

              • badphairy

                Exactly. Knowing how to do something is not the same as, and far more common than, knowing how to teach that same thing.

          • be kind

            She certainly seemed to enjoy being Secretary of State, though.

          • Question

            Ehh…I dunno. Professors don’t “get anything done” in the most literal sense. HRC is motivated by results. If she weren’t directly in politics I could see her lobbying or being one ferocious litigator.

        • Guest

          I read somewhere that she’s actually the most qualified person to ever run for president.

        • mr. steal your costco samples

          thanks for the response. Her resume is bonkers, and as sharp as she was at the Benghazi hearings, her policy proposals are so well thought through — she’s not as good on her feet / in the moment, but when she had time to prepare she’s just a bulldozer.

        • Question

          Correction. Bill and Barack are among the most LIKED presidents we’ve ever had.

          I’m disappointed to see so many people conflating intelligence and likability.

    • Duff Soviet Union

      I’m actually more optimistic about Hill than I was about Obama. People were losing their minds about Barry back in 2008 but his presidency went exactly the way I thought it would. He didn’t get much done because he wasn’t allowed to. Part of that (ok, probably most of it) was racism, but I’ve heard a lot of folks say that while Obama is a great orator, he’s not that great at negotiating with the opposition. They frequently felt condescended to and like they weren’t being listened to, which just made them more determined to block him on everything.

      Hillary, on the other hand, has a lot of friends on the other side of the aisle and is generally well liked by everyone in office.

      I’m concerned that her first act is to promise a billion dollars to the police (if ever there’s an institution that *doesn’t* need more money and power…), but that’s just standard Dem policy at the moment. Obama wasn’t much different in his pandering to the thin blue line.

      • E. J. Sheehan

        Yep. She’s better at negotiation, so she will be able to get a LOT of substantive policy through, even with a GOP congress.

        • be kind

          Oh, MAN, I hope you both are right!

          • E. J. Sheehan

            Me too :)

      • CherMoe

        My guess is this: the way Hillary is so vilified and HATED by Republicans and the Bernie supporters, she will need EXTRA security, just as I’m sure President Obama has needed. Never has a candidate been so threatened (like Obama) and hated. I lived through the assassination of JFK and I really FEAR for the Democratic party. The people on the other side have proven they are bat-sh*t crazy!! AND HAPPY TO GET VIOLENT.

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