(Ya know, aside from all the social ills that so many people erroneously attribute to hip-hop.)
1. The Diplomats
They’ve singlehandedly crafted or perpetuated more horrendous trends than anybody: grown men wearing effeminate colors, looking dirty on purpose, “no homo”, non-sensical wordplay, etc.
And above all else, they are responsible for the ascent of Jim Jones who is responsible for everything wrong in the Black community. In fact, everything else on this list is Jim Jones fault.
2. Vibe Magazine
I may never get a mention by Danyel Smith after this, but for whatever reason, some people actually look to Vibe for hip-hop news and their WACK-AS-THE-F*CK Best Rapper Alive Tourney Bracket was the biggest miscarriage of justice since Dwight Howard’s technical for being happy to poo all over Verajao. Vibe owes hip-hop an apology for putting Bow Wow on the list and making Wale have to mother*cking play-in.
3. Diddy’s twittering
I think I hate Diddy right now and his million follower goal made me want to slap him with the Life After Death double album. By the way, I follow Diddy on Twitter. After all, Diddy is…hip-hop.
4. Oversensitivity, which is supposed to be the anti-thesis of hip-hop
If the kids look up to rappers, and rappers are acting like p*ssies, then our male offspring will presumably begin to act like p*ssies – which could clearly explain the uber-sensitivity that has been going around in the black community. The number one killer of black man is not diabetes, stroke, or heart disease.
It is lack of respect. The assumption of lack of respect comes from the overabundance of sensitivity and instigators wanting to witness the sensitivity. Sensitive thugs, you all need hugs.
B*tches.
5. Bad Nicknames
Gucci Mane, OJ Da Juiceman, Trick Daddy, Rick Ross (when the real drug kingpin Rick Ross is getting out of jail), Freeway (see Rick Ross), Papoose (what the f*ck is a Papoose anyway?), etc.
Because of hip-hop, a grown man can be referred to as Tangle Jig P Boo-Boo and nobody thinks twice about it.
6. Spencer Pratt’s burgeoning rap career
You know what, he doesn’t sound terrible. You know why? It’s because he’s mimicking every other craptastic rapper out nowadays. He sounds like the status quo. Somehow, his rap career became an actual possibility.
7. Pure ignorance
XXL: One of the things that was eye-catching about the book was the graphical treatment, how some words are emphasized and bold and right in your face. It kinda reminds me of a book I’m sure you’re familiar with, Saul Williams’ “Said The Shotgun To The Head.” What was the reasoning…
Kanye (West) : You know what, I’m not familiar with no books. I don’t know no books, dead ass. That’s what we wrote in the beginning. I didn’t read 48 Laws [of Power], I never read “The Secret.” And Saul Williams is a good friend of mine, but I’m sorry…you know what? There are people who are genius designers that don’t know any other designers’ names.
Then again, he is the college dropout. So who am I to be surprised he “don’t know no books“?
8. Horrible and unintelligible slang
The best slang is obvious, not some over the top intentionally stupid stuff like some of the stuff that comes out of the (Father forgive me), Bay area. ESPECIALLY the Bay area. It’s gotten to the point where even black people don’t know what anybody is talking about anymore.
It used to be that when folks were making up shit, you didn’t have to spend weeks trying to learn it. It all made sense in the context of sentences or verses. To understand some rappers, you need to take a damn class. I already have 2 degrees so f*ck that very much.
Apologies are warranted.
9. Pink
The color, not the singer. Yes, The Dips hip-hop should apologize for introducing pink into hood culture making it possible for me to be held up by a guy wearing a ski mask and a pink polo shirt on it. This is a problem for me. I just don’t feel comfortable being robbed by a man in pink. I just don’t. This is Harlem’s fault. Lots of bad things come out of Harlem, if you think about it.
*shots fired*
10. Lupe Fiasco’s acclaim
Able lyricist with remarkably strange concepts at times (perhaps I’m not deep enough for him – I’m lying, you are full of sh*t if you thinks song about being a hamburger was deep), yet somehow, rap is so bad that people think Lupe is the next coming of Inspectah Deck’s first verse on “Triumph” which is by far one of the best, and most well known, verses in hip-hop (right after Rob Bases’s first verse on “It Takes Two”). Lupe is a beneficiary of wack times.
*****
So, for what else does hip-hop owe an apology??
-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka TANGLE JIG P aka YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD 3
Gold fronts
The liberal use of ‘baby momma’ in casual mainstream conversation
Flavor Flav and his franchise of buffoonery on VH1
Lil Kim’s face
@Hostess,
i cosign on Flavor Flav and the career New York has made out of it
@Hostess, baby momma is actually my third favorite word right after “scoliosis” and “YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH”.
by the way, i’m lying.
@Hostess,
omg i stumbled across Flavor of Love 3 the other day and the mere sight of that lil charbroiled dung beetle made cornea collapse. i was blinded for at least 43sec.
@Gem-balaya,
Yea how did Flav go from Public enemy “F John Wayne” to reality show wacknesss. I memba he tried ta bring tha white chick on stage wit PE and chuck wasnt havin it. Must be tha money.
@BLUNTBLAZER,
I may be especially prescient but I always thought of PE as a motley crew and Flav as the jester. I mean even Griff and Chuck didn’t really seem to be in the same group but Flav always seemed clownish to me. I wasn’t shocked at all by the way he was on VH!
@Hostess, number 5 you may just wanna google before you make your self look dumb
A papoose (from the Algonquian papoos, meaning “child”) is an American English loanword whose present meaning is “a Native American Indian child” (regardless of tribe). The word came originally from the Narragansett. In 1643 Roger Williams’ recorded the word in his A Key Into the Language of America helping to popularize the word.[1]
The term also sometimes refers to Cradle boards and other child carriers, which were used by Native American Indians and went by many names, but in the United States and the United Kingdom, the term papoose is used to refer to a child carrier. [2]
To understand some rappers, you need to take a damn class. I already have 2 degrees so f*ck that very much.
lmao i thought i was the only one!!! my kids at church look at me all kinda crazy and full of side eyes when i ask about certain indiscernible slang i hear in some whacktastic music. most times i can barely decipher the syllables let alone the actual meaning. fact: upon first listen, i didn’t even understand the words to my fave alarm ringtone “TURN MY SWAG ON”. then again, i was in the club and all the hoodrats and thug misses were screaming it at the top of their lungs and the noisejust infiltrated my cochlea and had me in disarray.
@Gem-balaya,
I will say that I am neither a hoodrat nor a “thug miss(es)”, but I sing along to that song in the club too! Not as feverishly as the aforementioned hoodrats and thug misses, but I do…
@Lili, me too
something something beeeeeeed
turn my swag oooooonnnn yeaaa
munamamama mirror amamamama gooood
LMAO!
@Dope Fiend,
“something something beeeeeeed
turn my swag oooooonnnn yeaaa
munamamama mirror amamamama gooood”
*Dead*
@Lili,
oh don’t get it twisted. now that i know (most of) the words i sing too– in the club, in my car, in my room while waking up lmao
i got a question why they hatin on me??
i got a question why they hatin on me??
i ain’t did nuttin to em but count dis money
and put my team on now my whole click stuntin”
sad to say, i have also been known to get my bird walk on as well. *hangs head* i think it’s somethin in the water here in pgh…
@Gem-balaya,
reminds me of ePosse f*ckery…
Hop up out the sheeeeeeedd.
Put my rags onnnnnnnnn
Take a look out at the field and say “Oh shyt.”
Yeeeeeeeahh, I’m pickin’ cotton… oohhhhhhh!
i got a question why massa beatin’ on me?
i got a question why he whuppin on me?
*snort*
@blackberry molasses,
<<<<>>>>
…and looking for this on limewire
@Me fail english?,
can’t. that’s a BBMo OR-IG-IN-ALE!
Pinstripe Mafia Stand Up!!
@Gem-balaya, i’ll bet your church kids would think that cochlea is some kind of slang.
@Panama Jackson,
lol
@Gem-balaya,
Soldya boy is not slang it jus pure fukkkery
okay, i need to understand what exactly was going on in that photograph….
mccain looks hilariously pained ….
@superwoman, during the primary season, Ludacris made a song where he took some shots at McCain and Hillary Clinton.
i’m sure somebody can find the song and share it since i’m too lazy to look, but it was pretty out of order as far as rappers battling politicians go.
lol.
@Panama Jackson, oh yes yes, i remember this! barack shook his head sternly in disapproval, right?
no need to share – the mere memory of it will suffice, thank you and happy weekend!
“Up in them five star tellies sayin two mic rhymes
be them average emcees of the times. ”
Maybe not totally on point but hip hop has jumped the shark. By and large it’s formulaic, watered down, Diddyfied (unoriginal as f*ck and recycled), and devoid of any substance, and it’s being pushed by a bunch of @ssholes who, first and foremost, want to supplement their 401k’s and get their corporations started so they will be able to get into the same golf clubs and gated communities as the wealthiest americans). Hip hop needs to apologize for essentially abandoning the De Las, Brand Nubians, and KRS 1s, and under-promoting the MF DOOMs and Immortal Techniques, while forcing Diddy, Bow Wow, etc. down my f*cking throat. Hip hop owes us an apology for becoming little more than a long f*cking infomercial over beats.
@An Island,
Amen!
@An Island, you know, perhaps mainstream hip-hop has abandoned many of those types of acts but there are lots of artists making the same quality of music as the pioneers you mentioned. hell, in DC we have cats like Oddissee, and there’s no dearth of quality MCs and producers out there.
hell Kanye still makes good music, 808s notwithstanding.
thing is, none of that is hitting the mainstream, which is interesting since NONE of those acts ever really saw much mainstream success, though selling platinum on some albums. Diddy took rap from the hood to the suburbs and then everybody was TRYING to make music strictly for the ‘burbs since they were spending money.
btw, i don’t really care for Immortal Technique. dude can rhyme but for whatever reason, i never ever want to hear another IT song again.
@Panama Jackson,
I agree. I like Immortal Technique I bought his CDs. I just cant listen to him for a long time. He can rhyme but like a lot of dudes that can rhyme he can’t ride the beat.
@Panama Jackson,
Oddisee is my folks
@Panama Jackson,
I agree with you on Immortal Technique. I recognize and respect that he has exceptional talent. He just never interested me and I can’t tell you why.
Other dope MCs that make me take naps:
Scarface
AZ
@An Island,
You mad doggie?
I don’t know if its just Harlem or straight up New York aggins. Everything whack in Hip Hop just seems to be magnified at one thousand trillion when you’re out here. Sorry to beat a dead horse but nuthuggin denim and a pair of ACG’s!!!! I cannot stand these buffons all looking the same!!
Best damn post for Hip Hop week. Had me dying!!
@Officer Ricky, its just easier to blame Harlem. Harlem is responsible for Cam’ron, Jim Jones, Puffy, and Mase.
just with those 4 names there’s A WHOLE lot to apologize for.
@Panama Jackson,
co-signage
1) BET- the funding of this station.. just wrong.
2) Guys in Skinny jeans . some Hip Hop has become so imbarrasing, guys are trying to distance themselves from it. no baggy jeans/loose shirts, now its ankle crushing jeans, and your 9 YO sister’s blouse.
3) Solja Boy- why the He!! do grown ass people sing along about Turning on their SWAG in the morning.
While I’m at it, Flavor Flaves teef, CoCo’s camel hoe Toe, boots with the furrr, Three 6 Mafia, Kanye’s Caps lock, Equifax, and Gucci rags.
IRS
Hangnails
@Dat Chic, ya know, i’m not so mad at Soulja Boy. dude’s doing what he’s good at. stupid sh*t. but he excels at it like no other.
and “turn my swag on” is some entertaining ass music. the beat bangs and its so horribly written, its borderline genius.
“…aint did nothing to ‘em, just countin’ dis money…”
@Dat Chic,
3) Solja Boy- why the He!! do grown ass people sing along about Turning on their SWAG in the morning.
cuz we can. we grown lol. in fact, i’m singing it aloud as i type…
@Gem-balaya,
My five year old like ice cube better.
@Gem-balaya,
Right?!
I don’t see what the beef with Soulja Boy is about. It’s not like before him people were rushing out to cop Pharaoe Monch and MF Doom. If you like deep music about nuclear fission and burnt up babies go buy it! My grown ass will bump whatever sounds good.
*Hops up out the beeeeed*
@Me fail english?,
I don’t get the beef with Souljah Boy either. Let that boy make his money.
@V Renee,
And that’s the word!
@Me fail english?, I don’t see what the beef with Soulja Boy is about. It’s not like before him people were rushing out to cop Pharaoe Monch and MF Doom. If you like deep music about nuclear fission and burnt up babies go buy it! My grown ass will bump whatever sounds good.
*Hops up out the beeeeed*
exactly!!! like Rocko said.. you just do you.. imma do me, Imma do me…..LOL
@shay_d_lady, wow, i think this is the first time EVER that Rocko has been directly quoted using his name.
somebody call him and tell him he made it in life.
@Me fail english?,
yes indeed girl!!! you feel me!!! i mean i like deep music too. but erry now and then i like to be straight up ign’ant wit it. get my hood rat on. shhhoooo at the end of the day i’m gettin my doctorate REGARDLESS.
@Gem-balaya, i wish u had said IRREGARTLESS.
@Me fail english?, yea but NOTHING Soulja Boy makes sounds good it just get lots of spins so you hear it everywhere but it doesnt mean its good
@Dat Chic,
1) BET- the funding of this station.. just wrong.
I don’t know…before Bob Johnson sold the station to Viacom it wasn’t actually half-bad.
I’m sure I’m just reminiscing since BET during the 90′s was pretty much the only place you were gonna see Black videos. That and the Box.
@miss t-lee,
**has wistful memories of Video Soul, Caribbean Rhythms and REAL Rap City…**
Viacom is the DEBBIL.
@miss t-lee,
Yeah I actually think BET is worse now. And not for any socially aware, “think of the children” reasons either. I just really, really hate the Hell Date midget
@miss t-lee, naw, BET was on the way out before he sold it to Viacomm. He pulled the plug on video soul, news with ed gordon, teensummit, etc all personally for budget reasons.
THEN he sold it to Viacom.
6. Spencer Pratt’s burgeoning rap career
See also: Kevin Federline, Brian Austin Green
7. Pure ignorance
See also: Flavor Flav
8. Horrible and unintelligible slang
Fah sizzle dizzle I readizzle your postizzle and had to commizzle. (Trust me being in Iowa and surrounded my white folk anytime some new “slang” comes thru they love to try it out. They really just want to fit in.)
Can I add:
#11 – Redundancy
See: “It ain’t trickin’ if you got it” can someone please count how many songs out in the last three to five years include this line?
or
The same person producing every song on every album in a 2-3 year span or everybody blatantly biting that “sound.”
See: Timbaland, Pharrell, Lil Jon T-Pain
#12 – Unpaid Product Placement
See: Pass the Courvoisier, Swing Ya Rag, Blame it on the Alcohol, Any song mentioning Cristal or Tommy Hilfiger
I don’t have beef with you telling us the stuff you like, but I’ve never heard of a white artist shouting out ANYTHING with they themselves getting some loot for it. In the words of Petey Pablo “Now I gotta give a shout out to Seagram’s Gin, ‘cuz I drink it – and they paying me for it.”
That’s what I’ve got.
PS – Panama, will you take may SAT for me????
(I really hope you know what I’m talking about.)
@Madame Zenobia,
but I’ve never heard of a white artist shouting out ANYTHING with they themselves getting some loot for it.
That should be WITHOUT they themselves getting loot for it. My bad I’m a little sleepy. Nite Nite!
@Madame Zenobia,
“(Trust me being in Iowa and surrounded my white folk anytime some new “slang” comes thru they love to try it out. They really just want to fit in.)”
kilt me.
As for unpaid advertising. You are so RIGHT! But these dumb a** ‘rappers’ wouldn’t know the first thing about REALLY getting paid.
@Madame Zenobia, you know, K-Fed nor BAG really had much chance to blow.
Spencer on the other hand does b/c of his reach. He’s an actual name that people know and hate. If he has any talent (and he mimics really well) he just might be able to sell some units. even if he is a total d-bag.
and unless SAT stands for Scholastic Aptitude Test, I have no clue what you’re talking about.
@Panama Jackson,
Yep, that SAT. Haven’t you heard the news about Derrick Rose?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-newswire29-2009may29,0,7418168.story
@Madame Zenobia, I knew exactly what you were talking about. Whatever is done in the dark,…..
Apologize for the fact that for whatever reason I can only access this post from my phone
Also
The tragedy that is KRS 1 delusions about still being relevant and his teef
PLIES for turning reg ordinary chicks into buss it babies by bombarding us with thousands of songs using a catchy hook and any available falsettoed ambiguously gay r&b singer
Wiggers
Corny white people using “izzle”
PSA’s that use rap as a way to show how cool their message is ala if you wanna be my peer please respect my ears don’t curse!
Oh and I hope the SAT comment want calipari directed…to soon to soon. Sniff why cal? Why?
@shay-d-lady, LOL. yo, anybody who didn’t think Memphis was on some shadyness was smokin’ stacks anyway. they basically had a damn NBA team in 07-08. and them boys, with the exception of Derrick Rose couldn’t talk. lol.
and KRS-One does need to just go ahead and let it go…he stopped being a good rapper at least a decade ago. at least.
@Panama Jackson, KRS-One does need to just go ahead and let it go…he stopped being a good rapper at least a decade ago. at least.
That would almost coincide with his last commercially viable release, I Got Next, with the single “Step Into A World”, complete with (horror of horrors) a Diddy Remix!
@Panama Jackson, yo, anybody who didn’t think Memphis was on some shadyness was smokin’ stacks anyway. they basically had a damn NBA team in 07-08. and them boys, with the exception of Derrick Rose couldn’t talk. lol.
first off lets be real, most star atheletes do not take these standardized test..I took ACT/SAT’s as a hustle LOL so dont be targeting memphis like we the only one and this aint an unspoken rule.. Cal was wrong though to leave us with no recruits, and the fall out from this though…
@shay_d_lady, i’m not targeting them personally. THEY ARE BEING TARGETED and i’m just responding. hell, if we were talking about some other program, like say UNLV or Michigan, then i’d single them out. but as the crow flies…
…MEMPHIS is on the clock.
@Panama Jackson, THEY ARE BEING TARGETED and i’m just responding.
yeah I wasnt talkin about you personally, I was talking in general.. LOL my bad I go hard for my city!
@shay_d_lady, its okay. memphis has had some hard times.
i mean, you all a responsible for crunchy black.
@shay_d_lady, i mean, you all a responsible for crunchy black.
Yes and we are not ashamed..he is quality ignorance at its finest or worst depending on how you look at it.. LOL plus we are also responsible for Ball and G.. it balances out…
everyone coming up to me at my desk at work, and feeling the need to go “yo”!
i work in london (england not canada), with a whole bunch of white british people who wouldn’t know hiphop if it slapped them in the face, and yet still see me, and feel the need to go “yo”…
like what the flip is wrong with “hi”, “hello”, “howdie doodie?”???
so mine would be “causing white people to act stupid and lose their d*mn minds” – see friends episode where rachel and ross sing “i like big butts” to their baby. *shudders*
@kmplx, AAAAAAAAOOOOOWWWW! BIG UP THE LONDON TOWWWN MASSIVE!
lol.
@Dope Fiend,
Alright… as an expat, Imma have to ask my Brits to settle… SETTLE…
@kmplx, that was a funny episode though.
true story. i remember one night in Adams Morgan in DC, at like 3am when all the clubs were letting out, this cab full of white dudes rolled by and one of them yelled out of teh cab, “DAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarkness…Charlie Murphy Charlie Murphy”
me and my boys laughed for 10 minutes. then we cried.
i blame Jim Jones for this.
@Panama Jackson, LMAO – now your episode is funnier… i would laugh and then weep too.
@kmplx, don’t think we can blame hip hop for this wyt folk loves everything about being black except actually being black if it wasnt hip hop it would be some other ish we just got to own it
Hip-Hop should apologize for allowing the production of mediocre music to become the norm rather than the exception. hip-hop should apologize for mainstreaming mediocrity.
@N.I.A. naturally…., yeah, that whole making money BS is totally for the birds. lol.
@Panama Jackson,
lol!! you are right. that’s why i’m working on my very first single now. I already get paid for being exceptional at my day job, but i can get PAID for putting out mediocre music with a danceable beat. Make a couple of appearances on 106 & Park, and I am set for life. Thanks Hip-Hop!!!
@N.I.A. naturally….,
4 real where is MR 106 and park now?
–how bout white ppl thinking that you will know every artist, rapper, beat, album. because you black…when white ppl buy most hip hop in america!!!
–silly dances like the stanky leg and the halle berry. do you see what these grown ass men do in the club? what are you? jamaican??
–BIG ASS pants that show your ugly ass. i really don’t mind a swag, but when i could see you ENTIRE ass, we got a problem. i was at the mall yesterday and straight up PULLED up the jeans on this lil white boy, i told him his shit stains were showin and his friends dogged him out. lol. when a white man kills me in 8 yrs, you’ll know why…..
–video ho’s, our young girls of america really think its cute for guys to treat them a certain way in the club, they see some things as “normal”. no, he CAN’T smack your ass like that or grab ya puss!
[sidenote: i really think some guys look nice in pink and other pink toned shirts (like coral/peach-ish etc). but not a whole pink get up, so ummm, thanks cam'ron]
@jana.love, what i want to know is how come nobody calls out the Stanky Leg for being the gayest dance ever created.
the club i worked at had gay nights on Friday so i saw a lot of stuff i never ever wanted to see in life. thing is, the gay dudes do a whole lot with their hips.
then i see the stanky leg and there’s all kinds of hip-dancing. im like da hell? that video looks like gay line dancing.
NTTAWWT.
@Panama Jackson,
what i want to know is how come nobody calls out the Stanky Leg for being the gayest dance ever created.
i would argue that the HALLE BERRY (she fine) dance is THE gayest dance ever created in life. depending on how it’s done, the stanky leg can be sus. but ANY dude who dances to the halle berry song and actually acts likes he’s lookin at himself in the mirror is a homo waiting to happen (nttawwt).
@Gem-balaya, i’m gonna have to disagree with the mirror thing.
morris day stayed looking in a mirror checking his fresh and morris day is a straight pimp.
Jerome…WHERE MY MIRROR AT?!?
@Panama Jackson, like Morris Day is the prototype for masculinity, lol *side-eye*
@Naturally Alise,
lmao thank you.
@Naturally Alise,
4real Panama kinda get a question mark for that
@Naturally Alise, morris day, prince, rick james, alexander o’neal, freddie jackson all have probably had some deez in they mouth at one point or another…pimp cup or no pimp cup
off subject eddie murphy and arsenio probably would fit in this column too
@Naturally Alise, look…AIN’T GON’ BE NO SIDETALKIN’ BOUT MORRIS DAY!
he IS the time!
Let’s not forget the walking disaster that is Joaquin Phoenix at #6…
And I agree, Lupe is the tallest midget.
@maximillian, “Joaquin Phoenix”
kmrct!
@maximillian, true dat. JP=bad look.
The overuse of “Swag” “Swagger”…”Swag Surfin” “Swaggerific”.whatever
I’m just so tired of everyone talking about their ” Swag”.
Maybe I’m a hater, wait, the misunderstanding of what a “hater” is, I blame hip hop, yes indeedy.
“You don’t like oj?”
“man, you a hater”
“You ride a bike?”
“man, you a hata, and you ain’t got no swaggggg”
I would blame hip hop for the air sucking hole that is “Soulja Boy” but real talk, I just blame his mama.
and for ignant lines such as
“I’m me. I’m me. chtiB, I’m me. Baby, I’m me. So who you? kcuf you, you’re not me.”
- Lil Wayne, I’m Me
or
“Get off my niggy niggy *pistachios*!”
- LL Cool J
@Maria, on the real though, Lil Wayne’s song “I’m Me” is probably one of his better songs. he totally blacks out in his verses on that joint. total lyrical beatdown.
that and on the Ignorant Sh*t Remix on Drake’s mixtape, Wayne TOTALLY spazzes on that joint. makes me forget the 90 percent of ridiculously stupid sh*t he says.
“…stand on my money, head butt Yao Ming…”
that line slays me every time i hear it.
unf*ckin’believable, Lil Wayne for President.
@Panama Jackson,
that is a crazy line. Wayne is a beast on the mic
@Panama Jackson,
“Lil Wayne’s song “I’m Me” is probably one of his better songs. he totally blacks out in his verses on that joint. total lyrical beatdown.”
I agree. This is totally one of my get hype songs. Plus the beat is hot.
Yeah…I know.
@miss t-lee, Cant front as a Wayne hater
I admit he goes off from time to time that line is hot but the whole verse is bananas
@Panama Jackson, Maria, on the real though, Lil Wayne’s song “I’m Me” is probably one of his better songs. he totally blacks out in his verses on that joint. total lyrical beatdown.
that and on the Ignorant Sh*t Remix on Drake’s mixtape, Wayne TOTALLY spazzes on that joint. makes me forget the 90 percent of ridiculously stupid sh*t he says.
“…stand on my money, head butt Yao Ming…”
that line slays me every time i hear it.
unf*ckin’believable, Lil Wayne for President.
total co signage!
I love the Im me joint.. I dont know maybe its because Im a cocky a$$hole.. ..LOL
Papoose is naturally, a ghetto ode to papusa[s]/pupusa[s], a tasty Salvadorean or Guatemalan dish (yah I don’t know which country it’s actually from) of which Papoose is fond of.
Glad to clear that up for ya.
@lulu, you know, my life was better before i knew that.
that’s the worst thing i’ve ever heard in my life.
@Panama Jackson,
4 real who kno?
@Panama Jackson,
I made that up and sh*t.
@lulu,
HAHA I thought a papoose was what a kangaroo held its babies in! LOL
@lulu,
Really? I always thought that this was a papoose. At least that’s what I’ve always been taught. I was always perplexed as to why he’d wanna run around calling himself this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papoose
Learn something new erryday.
@miss t-lee,
That’s what I thought too.
*psst, I think we’re right*
@miss t-lee,
I was always perplexed as to why he’d wanna run around calling himself this.
Maybe because he got some “Indian” in him?
@Sula,
Heh! I promise I read on a hiphop site that he got his name cuz his grandma says he looks like it.
@miss t-lee,
I made it up. I guess my humor doesn’t fly well late at night. Blame my knowledge of what a pupusa is on the fact that I live in LA.
Sorry all.
and I blame hip hop for this ,as well: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhfvLiSMRt4Wokd1QK
@Maria, you could just blame hip-hop for World Star Hip-Hop and it would be just as effective.
@Maria,
Saw the video this parodies. Thought he was auditioning for Chris Stokes. No?
10 things Hip-Hop should apologize for
1) Letting the worst artists represent the genre as a whole. People that don’t listen to Hip-Hop always associate the wackest rappers with it.
2) BET (what happened to the channel that had teen summit, nightly news, a hip-hop and r&b video show, and a sunday morning political show?)
2) Master P and the whole No Limit movement
2a) Puffy Daddy and the shiny suit movement
3) the words swag and hater. Swag use to be your style and steelo. Now swag is your money, cars, and clothes. Hater use to mean player hater. Now hater means you don’t agree with everyone.
4) Ridiculously huge rims on cheap cars
5) The idea that Chevys(Chevrolet) is a brand to be coveted. Other than the corvette chevrolets are like hondas. These are cheap common man cars not BMWs.
6) The blatant over sexualization of thick or curvy black women.
7) Mainstream southern hip-hop. How did we go from Outkast, Organized Noize, Dungeon Family, and Scarface to Shawty Lo.
8. Mainstream west-coast hip-hop in the 90s. It was all good in the beginning. Then it got to the point that record compaies would sign any crip or blood to make a record. You can sign a gang member just make sure he has skills.
9) Flavor Flav
10) die-hard, take a bullet for him if he was alive, 2pac fans
@Humble One, you know, Master P actually had a roster of good rappers, save for Silkk and C-Murder. and of course P, himself. but one thing ill give P credit for is showing rappers how to make money. he put the indy model that southern rappers from Houston to Memphis were using on front street and changed the way companies had to do business.
i do think that puffy is really everything thats wrong with hiphop post 97.
@Panama Jackson,
Fiend, Mac, and Young Bleed were good? I agree with you about him getting money. He did create the model for southern rappers to do it.
@Humble One, Fiend was good enough. Mac actually was a good rapper. I can’t say that Young Bleed was a good rapper. not with a straight face, though he had a legion of followers for some reason.
but Mac? definitely a good rapper.
@Panama Jackson,
I liked P’s old music “ice cream man”
But “im bout it” is still one of my fav movie of all time
@BLUNTBLAZER,
But “im bout it” is still one of my fav movie of all time
Really?! Wow.
@miss t-lee
yea i watched it last weekend I can appreciate ghetto film. I like watching rapper try to act like “belly” thas my shizz also
@Humble One,
5) The idea that Chevys(Chevrolet) is a brand to be coveted. Other than the corvette chevrolets are like hondas. These are cheap common man cars not BMWs.
Nah, your Honda will still run after 70k miles…
@Jarrod Halsey,
Buick are tha shiizzzzz
@Jarrod Halsey,
and then some… My trusty litlle SulaMobile (aka Honda Accord) lasted me past 200+K…. Ah the memories…
@Humble One,
Hey, hey, hey! Lay off the Hondas!!
“8. Mainstream west-coast hip-hop in the 90s. It was all good in the beginning. Then it got to the point that record compaies would sign any crip or blood to make a record. You can sign a gang member just make sure he has skills.”
Also, they mighta signed dudes but most never blew. I’m still kinda salty that Kurupt has less buzz than OJ da effin Juiceman
@Humble One, The idea that Chevys(Chevrolet) is a brand to be coveted. Other than the corvette chevrolets are like hondas. These are cheap common man cars not BMWs.
I dont think its a bad thing, In fact I like it..why do you have to own a dayum bmw or mercedes? if you working on a budget why go for the smale affordable luxury line of BMW or Mercedes when you can get a big body fully loaded? …I like a chevy impala ss blacked out with silver trim… maybe some 20′s on it.. but you know the classy kind…LOL Dope Boy Fresh! LOL you best believeit…
@Humble One, also P’s Ghetto D and several of them compilation joints go hard to this Day…..LOL he fell off but when he was on top he was bangin
Hip Hop is unapologetic by nature and society owes Hip Hop an apology.
@Monk, touché
* The Dance Crazes – I need an apology for the Souljah Boy, Ricky Bobby, Stank Leg, etc…. I know hiphop has had dance songs for years Humpty Dance, Pee Wee Herman, Tootsie Roll, etc., but I don’t particularly feel all warm and bubbly about about those tunes either…
*and this is just an observation that is on my mind that is someone that hip-hop owes an apology to… MC Hammer. That dude caught so much hell for having endorsements and actually making money being a rapper, and now almost every rapper is about the formula of advertising, endorsements, clothing line, etc…
@Naturally Alise, yeah, any rapper who was hating on MC Hammer back in the day should go play in traffic considering how many endorsement deals ninjas are trying to secure nowadays.
Hammer was the hip-hop generations KISS. considered a sell-out but totally changed the game.
and like Plies, Hammer HAD plenty monaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
@Panama Jackson,
all I gotta say about Hammer is check out “pumps and a bumps” video.FAIL. It was all down hill from then.
I admit I had my Hammer collection he was big in the bay.
@BLUNTBLAZER,
Hammer wasn’t a bad rapper, he wasn’t the greatest but a lot better than a lot of these ass clowns out here now… Hammer had good production too, and it was fun… sometimes you need a little happy rap…
@BLUNTBLAZER, yeah, that video was a FAIL of tremendous proportions.
the speedo was a baaaaaaaaaaaaad look.
Kanye West owes Kiswahili an apology for lying that Kanye means “the only one”in Kiswahili. It doesn’t!!! Urghh!!!
@Wanjiru, so um…what does it mean?
Hip Hop should be ashamed that it let itself go. After the honeymoon hip hop gained weight, stopped dressing nicely, doing those little things to make us feel special. Hip Hop should apologize for being so uninspired lately. Hip Hop has lost its purpose much like the NAACP.
LOL THIS LIST LOSES ALLLLLLLLLLLLL CREDIBILITY FOR THE LUPE COMMENT……WACKNESS
@Ervin Mitchell, eh, to each his own.
i put that on there so folks like you could get pissy. i personally dont’ care for lupe but dude is a good rapper. however, let’s not front like he’s not popular moreso b/c he can rap not b/c he’s the next coming of the greatness. his albums ain’t hot.
@Panama
That story about the white boys and Charlie Murphy is exactly what happened to me two weeks ago! Except I responded quite differently. Let’s just say stanky leg, my screw face, my obscenities, mention of their mothers, and terrified window rollups were involved. I lost it. And therefore I blame party rap for me losing my sh!t.
I’ve had to just start calling today’s music rap, not hip hop. Hip-hop takes thought and talent. All of which acts such as Soulja Boy and those Swag Surfin’ boys no nothing about. They make party rap. Bottomline. They entertain by means of laughter and foolishness.
Hypermasculinity and rampant homophobia. See Beyond Beats and Rhymes.
To your point about Vibe: thay also failed with that Plies cover as the future of rap.
The Dip-Dip Set-Set….SMH
I’m not reallya Lupe fan (because I think he’s a fkn lame) but it would be ignorant to ignore the fact that he is not just an able lyracist, he’s pretty gifted at it, actually.
But rap owes us all an apology for making “Thug Chic” cool. Why are grown men STILL wearing baggy jeans, hoodies, jerseys, Timbs, gold chains, bomber jackets AND durags?
SMH…
I’m surprised you didn’t find a way to hate on Drake again.
@Jarrod Halsey, i gave him a whole post and its friday. even God took a day to chill out.
WOW hatin on the bay area like that. We made 90% of this slang pop ya colla, holla, what it do, gwaup, breezy, ripper, runner, ya dig etc.
We talk like that cause it’s code I can have a convo wit my ni99 in the middle of a room fulla rollers and only me and my folks would kno whats up. Thas jus Pure Hatred. I got cuzzins in the south that understand all my slang its jus ghetto talk it aint hard to pick up if you ever lived in the ghetto.
Even when I went to Hampton Univers in VA they was luvin my slang hella biting the way we talk out here. you lookin kinda green to me.
Bay area started independent rap we changed the game. We was sellin out the trunk way before record deals making loot. E-40′s deal with jive was momunetal and better than any deal any rapper has seen since P back in the day.
We the only reason this rap game aint totally went pop. Learn about Playa. Or should I say Playa Hata. Oh yea we made that word too.
@BLUNTBLAZER,
“We the only reason this rap game aint totally went pop.”
LOL. Even you don’t believe that
@Me fail english?,
the bay area stayed real. you dont hear no weak cats comin out tha bay we dont have any soljaboys or bow wow’s.
We started the underground game. We were the first ceo’s b4 puff and P and all them we owned our own shizzz and reaped all the benefits.
Watch the movie “ryhme and reason”. Now e-40, too-short, all them own they own label gettin gwap. E-40 even opened up a wing stop franchise.
@BLUNTBLAZER,
“the bay area stayed real. you dont hear no weak cats comin out tha bay”
No offense, but I don’t hear any cats coming out of the bay AT ALL. And neither does anyone else outside of the bay! That’s like saying Utah keeps it real cuz we never hear wack Ute rappers.
@Me fail english?,
we independent thas why plus the industry wanna push that fake music after pac died it was all bad. A indy rapper can sell 50k out the trunk and get more bread than a rapper with a major deal that goes gold.
@BLUNTBLAZER, you forgot one guy Russell Simmons…he made the game corporate and with out him hip hop doesnt get out of the 80′s he is hip hops Barry Gordy dont ever forget that
@BLUNTBLAZER, i was more or less waiting for somebody from the Bay to come in and try to roast the kid.
lol.
while i recognize that a lot of slang does come out of the bay and that i do understand most of it, some of the shit y’all talking is retarded.
shaboobaloopie, yadadamean, etc.
some of it seems extra for the sake of being extra, and that’s my point. why go 10 miles out the way when you only need to walk around the corner at times.
and i’m from the south. the real south. i can have convos with most anybody and understand them, but you know you folks in the Yay area try to outdo eachother on the slanguage at times…
@Panama Jackson,
ok i can see wit shabopalaboopie but thats not even slang its Mistah Fab tryna be funny. South got slang too. Yall got slabs we got scrappers. Yall got shorties we got breezys. We got grapes yall got wood.
yadaimean = something too bad to mention so you say yadaimean like “man i was on tha block yadaimeanin” or simply mean “you understand”. We just dont want the pigs to kno what we talk about. They tap cell phones all the time.
“the next coming of Inspectah Deck’s first verse on “Triumph” which is by far one of the best, and most well known, verses in hip-hop (right after Rob Bases’s first verse on “It Takes Two”). ”
I see you read allhiphop.com yesterday as well…lol
Glad ya’ll are back online. I had a half day to waste with ya’ll and now it’s almost gone… dah well.
I’ve got nothing today…lol
@miss t-lee,
me too. i get to work and try and hit up VSB and I get BUPKISS.
I hate posting from my phone and only do so in extreme crack(berry) head moments
@blackberry molasses, me too. i get to work and try and hit up VSB and I get BUPKISS.
I hate posting from my phone and only do so in extreme crack(berry) head moments
@miss t-lee, i actually don’t know what allhiphp article that you’re referring too. i didnt read anything about “Triumph” on there yesterday. then again, i only really look at AHH for the rumors. thats pretty much it.
@Panama Jackson,
LOL @ the rumors!!! There was an article on their the other day where the staffers mentioned their top 20 lyrics ever (or something along those lines). Deck’s verse from “Triumph” was one of the ones that was picked.
I blame hip hop for grown ass men wearing Garfield, the crayon box, and everything from Snoopy to a smiley face rendered in cheap diamonds around their neck.
@BadGurl,
lol. I just assumed they were fake diamonds!! Anybody paying for real diamonds (cheap ass “champagne” rocks or not) for that busted sh1t owes me student loan money. All restitution can be wired via Paypal.
Thx
Not really sure hip hop needs to apologize for anything
BET is a Bob Johnson brain child and he showed where he stands on Blk ppl during Obama’s campain
The radio is owned by Clear Channel and Radio 1 (black owned) and them baby boomers that head that up dont understand hip hop anymore than we understood the social relevance of chubby checker
Viacom owns MTV and VH1 so again these are not hip hoppers in charge
Yeah you can get a Russell Simmons or LA Reid or Andre Harrell to exploit some ppl for the bottom line but they dont head sony, universal etc….
I agree that if black folks didnt help there is no way we could have been so effectively exploited but damn there were no rules laid out for us…If anything hip hop has showed black ppl what true exploitation means and how to market your own talents how youth is not hindrance but an asset in this new economy…..Just my thoughts
@Blacklaw,
*Stands and applauds*
@Me fail english?,
*Joins in*
I actually blame Viacom. I swear, they have a time share office tower in Hades, where their top execs vacation 5 months out the year.
@Blacklaw, very well said..
@Blacklaw, i feel you padre. i was more or less…joking.
@Blacklaw,
dam thas game
This stuff probably isn’t exclusive to hip hop nor is hip hop the cause, but when I’m feeling all crusty and bitter here’s some shti I like to blame hip hop for
:
-The prevalence of ppl blaming their shetty environment for all the shetty shet they do. This excuse is probably old as time but I notice a lot of rap heads like to blame the misogyny, underachievement and plain old asshattery on their shetty living conditions. Well guess what? I grew up in just as bad (if not worse) conditions and no rapping about bullshet was not our only option out of the ghetto, nor is it “all we saw growing up”. Cut it out!
-Lack of accountability for shetty music. I think Soulja Boy’s ringtone raps don’t contribute nearly as much to the stagnation of the craft as undue props to dudes like Lupe, Jeezy or Game. Who’s setting the bar?! Could those dudes stand in the shadows of Pun, Bis, or even Beans in their primes?! Methinks not!!!
-Wutang nail polish. I just never respected it.
I have a headache, I’ll be back with more bellyaching later. >-(
Ok, so as it turns out I don’t actually have beef with hip hop. Just the fans (if you can call them that).
Another gripe. Ppl that talk like purists about a golden age but hate on Lil Boosie and ‘nem. As if Busy Bee and Biz Markie were sooo deep.
Or those that complain about party rap moving more units than lyrical MCing as if that’s some sort of brand new, shocking development. Ever heard of Kurtis Blow? I’ll give you one guess as to who did better numbers, him or the Funky Four.
I wonder how long these people have been “fans”. Since last year? Last week? Do your knowledge!
@Me fail english?, LOL your my hero!
@Me fail english?, you know, though i agree with you in spirit, i think most people’s issue with the Boosie’s and Webbie’s (i personally don’t mind them – so let’s say Soulja Boy’s) of the world is that they don’t seem to be doing it for any type of love of the artform. they’re strictly doing it for money’s sake.
and i guess that’s okay, you do what you can to make money in this world. however, some of the artistry has declined because of it. the beats are all starting to sound the same, on the mainstream side anyway. dudes are basically rapping umpteen variations on the exact same verse. in fact, i swear Baby from Cash Money has been spitting the exact same verse for the past 10 years, just changes words around here and there.
at least you know Biz Markie actually loved the artform, evidenced by the fact that he’s still DJing now…at like 50. still on that ra-ra hiphop shit.
@Panama Jackson,
I don’t really buy the love of the sport argument. Honestly, braggart rap has been around since the dawn so Soulja Boy’s love of ice and chains shouldn’t be held againt him any more than Slick Rick’s or Kane’s.
And everybody else can be convinced that he’s some marketing genius that craftily put together a no-fail scheme to get to the diamonds, but my theory on Soulja Boy is this: He was a kid that loved to rap and dance on webcams and then got paid handsomely. He loves what he does too! I mean, who really raps on webcam and doesn’t enjoy it? His love of diamonds doesn’t negate that. And to be honest, his lyrics aren’t terrible. They’re silly as all hell, but he’s far from W.O.A.T. (wackest of all time).
I can’t understand what Lil Boosie is saying so you may be spot on there.
@Me fail english?, naw the difference is that folks weren’t really rapping about their chains back then. they wore them, but they didnt generally craft an entire album around their chains. Slick Rick wore more shit than anybody and he was still rapping about all kinds of stuff on the Adventures of Slick Rick.
and Soulja Boy…i dont nkow, he’s made it quite clear that hes all about the money. hell i just read an interview with him talking about how he used to trick folks into listening to his music b/c he’d get paid per listen on some site of his. now that’s smart marketing, but its all about the money.
now, i dont doubt he decided he wanted to be a rapper, but if skills sold, truth be told…Soulja Boy would be selling wood.
@Panama Jackson, yeah I hate that they dont do it for the love argument.. how do you know? why is it assumed that because they make money or do commercial music they dont love it? they might just love doing corny shyt?
Biz might just be djaying cause he aint got no other skill .. he might not love it… I understand what your saying I just dont think making wack a$$ musics shows that they dont love it.. it just shows they make wack music…LOL just like making “conscious” rap doesnt mean you love it.. they can be just doing it for the money as well.. and bottom line everyone does it for the money.. otherwise they would be fine with sitting at home rappin on facebook and you tube.
@Panama Jackson,
They don’t have to rapping about chains, but you’ve gotta admit there wasnt a huge range of subject matter for 80s rappers. For the most part, for braggart rappers, it was some variation of “I’m the best rapper, you can’t battle me, I’ll tear you apart” over and over and over again…
And again, just cause Soulja Boy loves money, doesn’t mean he doesn’t love rap. I still don’t think the avg teenage kid who doesn’t give a screw about rap would, or even could make songs that catchy.
Also, his whole album doesn’t seem to be about chains or even money for that matter. The four songs I’ve heard have been about girls (Kiss me thru the phone), being annoyed (Yaah), I guess more girls and Bape(?) (Crank That) and swag (Turn my Swag on?). If Rick can mention wearing more gold than that man on ATeam and his Bally’s on every other song I don’t see why Soulja Boy gets skewered for it.
@me fail,
he gets skewered cuz i say he does. lol.
to tell the truth, and i said up thread, i dont see why soulja boy gets railed as much as he does. that boys just doing what he does well. bad music.
and i’m gonna have to go ahead and call a FAIL on this statement:
“I still don’t think the avg teenage kid who doesn’t give a screw about rap would, or even could make songs that catchy. ”
if you pay close enouth attention you can figure out how to make a catchy song. hell, you tellin’ me D4L and namely Shawty Lo were some cats who had a deep appreciation and love for hiphop? i mean, maybe they do, i just don’t think so…i could be wrong.
the majority of acts today are folks trying to find that one gimmicky ass hit. thats why we get stuff like, “stanky leg” or “swag surfin” or “party like a rockstar”. soulja boy might be different in the fact that for some reason, he’s managed to avoid teh sophomore slump. but if you listen to him, he actually doesnt sound stupid (slavery comment, notwithstanding), just young. but he’s growing and figuring it out.
but a lot of rap today is all about that quick gimmick hit.
another note on soulja boy, he had one of my favorite lines of 2008, “…last night your girls forehead was on my abs”
in fact, his verse on marco polo wasn’t bad at all. i been saying , “S.O.D. cuz girlz like initials” since i heard that song.
cuz ya know, girls DO like initials.
@shay_d_lady,
Having been 17 many moons ago, I honestly think that Soulja Boy loves making his music. I used to do shetty freestyles at that age. And if I coulda got paid for it, I woulda recorded them and went on tour and asked ppl to buy my album. But I really liked to do shetty freestyles *shrugs*.
Also, all those Roxannes weren’t spitting ghostwritten rhymes cuz they loved spitting ghostwritten rhymes. Ok…maybe they did love spitting ghostwritten rhymes. But I’m sure money was part of the motivation
@Panama Jackson,
It’s true, girls do like initials.
But the reason I gotta disagree with a kid who didn’t love it being able to come up with the gimmick is cuz I’ve loved hip hop for as long as I can remember so I’ve been to all types of showcases, ciphers in the park, etc.
I say all that to say, I’ve seen alot of dudes try to come up with a gimmick…and fail miserably. This lil dude actually came out with several catchy songs!
Hook writing is a talent! Just ask Serius Jones and Jae Millz (haha). So even if he just loves to make hip hop youtubes and write hip hop hooks he’s got love for the game, (love of slavemasters notwithstanding)…
@me fail, you’re assumption here is that if you’re good at something, then you must have love for it. and i think thats false.
i’m good at my job. i f*cking HATE my job.
talent does not equal love. its just talent. most of us hope that our talents and loves align. maybe it does for some rappers, and maybe some dudes learn to love hiphop or the music. plus you can tell some cats really love the art…like The Game. he may be a p*ssy, but you can tell he loves hip-hop. same with 50. these cats are as much students of the game as they are artists. and they prove it time and time again in their verses and interviews.
@Panama Jackson,
How can you say talent doesn’t necessarily prove love and then say this:
“and they prove it time and time again in their verses”
You’re using 50 and Game’s talent as proof of their love of hip hop but not Soulja Boy’s? Like Shay-d said, how do you know who loves what? How can you determine that? Love of hip hop wouldnt make me do shows in 50 states in 48 days, but love of money sure would. So if I’m doing “this” (shows, interviews, videos) for money, how can you be so sure I don’t love “that” (hip hop music)?
Doing well at a non-creative job you dont love is much easier than doing well at a creative pursuit you hate. Apples and oranges.
I’m leaving work now. Shay hol’ me down!
@me fail, actually, you’re misunderstanding me.
when i say they prove it time and time again in theri verses, i mean their references to the old school and deference to it. i’m not saying their talent shines thru. 50 is a capable rapper but i’m not sure i’d say he’s a great rapper. he’s a talented businessman and is good enough to be somebody.
and look, clearly, i cant sit here and say who does and doesn’t love what, but neither can you. we’re both making assumptions here.
with that said, we’re at an impasse on this one. mostly cuz i’m going home too.
and i aint scared of shay. buh-riiiiiiiiiing it.
@shay, gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on a few points. for one, most of these cats have specifically said, “i’m doing it for the paper”. half of them say shit like, i’m not a rapper, i’m a hustler who raps. rap is their hustle. that isn’t relegated to one or two cats, thats a whole generations sentiment. you and i both know it.
now you’re right, just b/c they make wack music doesnt mean they dont love it. that’s very true. but people who actually loved the music would study what good shit sounded like and learn to adapt it to their own style. now if these cats that “love” it are followiong other wack cats who are only in it for the money, therein lies the disconnect. i think people like jeezy start to love the actual music, but you cant convince me he didnt start out doing it for money. it just worked for him.
also, there ain’t a “conscious” rapper alive delusional enough to think that he’s going to get rich off of rap. come on. there’s very little money in conscious rap. even mos def, posterchild for the conscious flag, aint get rich off rap. common, didnt make long rap dough until he got with kanye, and that was more cuz of kanye than common.
i disagree that everybody does it for the money. now, you make the best art you can and hope people respect it and pay the money so you can continue it. i mean, i feel you, if you do it for the love, you’d just make music at home.
however, artists are narcissists by nature. you cant’ be a true artist and NOT want other peopel to acknowledge your artistry.
hence the music business.
@Panama Jackson,
I disagree on a few points
-Mos Def made way more money off of rap (even if he was just using it to get his movie career popping) than he could have slinging hash in BK.
-Also, I take that “I do it for the money” talk as just the cool thing to say now. It’s the flippant, apathetic, cool thing to do. But if you ask me ANYONE tryna rap to get rich post 2003 is delusional.
-Third regardless of subject matter, if they were really doing it for the love and recognition they’d just post homemade raps to SOHH.com or smthg. These guys pursue the business for business-like reasons (eg. money)
-Also, Rush said he got into hip hop for coke and girls. Does that diminish what he built? I dont think so.
@me fail,
well, in kind , i disagree with your disagreeance.
just cuz mos made MORE money than he would have selling rocks doesnt mean he made long dough. hell, if i make more money at my day job than i do scratching my ass, it doesnt mean i’m rich, just means i made more money than doing nothing.
you can take the “i do it for money” talk how you want, but if they say it, i have to listen. isn’t htat what raps built on anyway, believing these ninjas when they say something?
“however, artists are narcissists by nature. you cant’ be a true artist and NOT want other peopel to acknowledge your artistry.
hence the music business.”
even poets and many other artists want other people to acknowledge their art. most poets want to sell books of their poems so that they can eat off of their craft, off of what they love.
and Rush managed artists for coke and girls. he got into the actual label ownership shit b/c of rick rubin. and b/c he realized he could make money off of curtis blow by cutting out the middlemen.
@Panama Jackson,
I don’t get your point about Rush or how it negates what I said….
but as for this:
“isn’t htat what raps built on anyway, believing these ninjas when they say something?”
Hell nah it aint! It’s built on being entertained. I dont trust these ninjas further than I can throw em.
And you can get recognition without tryna eat off of smthg. Them dreadlock, Last Poet ninjas are in it for the money just like Soulja Boy. Lower earning potential does not make one holier-than-Soulja.
Finally, comparing Mos Def’s checks now (from Smoking Aces, that MTV movie, that HBO movie and probably some other ish I can’t remember, plus his live shows) to your day job is a stretch. Let’s be honest, the boy is making very nice bread. And I doubt casting directors would be beating the pavement in BK looking for regular ol Dante to be in their movie.
@Panama Jackson, lets take Jeezy for instance yes he calls hip hop his hustle and says he does it for the hustle but he has also been quoted as sayin I am hip hop and I love hip hop, so has soulja boy and many other commercial acts. Just like many people common, talib, etc who are supposedly “conscous rappers” have stated they do it for the love but where the money at? its not mutually exclusive.
Like you state above thread talent doesnt equal love and thats the truth but lack of talent doesnt equal lack of love. I cant sing and no amount of voice lessons or studying will ever make me Whitney or he.ll not even Ashanti.. that doesnt mean I dont love it, and again if a mofo would buy my one note holdin a$$ on a single I would sure as hell put it out.
On the other hand I know plenty of folks that can BLOW and they dont love it .. the recognize its a viable talent and are trying to make it do what it do but they dont love it.
Honestly I think thats why so many conscious rappers fail they are lacking the Love.. and resting on talent and it takes more than that.
You dont make money of catchy singles, and the amount of money it takes to make and promote an album the sacrifice that it takes? all them cats gotta love it at least a little bit.
But a little bit of love and no talent=fail
and talent +lil bit of love= fail
love+talent+ marketing=commercial success
@Me fail english?,
Yes we can!! And she did!!
You took the thoughts out of my head… before I even knew I had them… LoL! I get sooooo tired of the short-term memory so-called purists and their past revisionist ways. *whoosah*
@Me fail english?, yes Kurtis Blow but it was Melle Mels “The Message” that changed how ppl saw that hip jop can be social-dropped in 83 it came right after Marvin Gayes, Curtis Mayfield and Stevie’ Portest LP’s “Broken glass everywhere/ppl pissing in the park like they just dont care”…yea there it is a lyrical portrait-you must realize that song influenced the Rakim and KRS One’s and Chuck D’s who then influenced Nas, Scarface and Ice Cube so yea there was plenty of average rap in the 80′s but Childrens Story was also made in a five yr stretch that each albums template is still in use right now
@Me fail english?,
you are a dope chick. me likely me fail. even if you don’t agree, you’re my new e-bff.
@Gem-balaya,
Done!
“6. Spencer Pratt’s burgeoning rap career”
I wonder if his flesh-colored beard makes him more hood or less hood than he already is (i.e. not hood at all/fake hood).
@Cheekie,
who is pratt??
@Cheekie,
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=spencer+pratt
I’m curious. Is hip-hop the only music genre that needs to apologize? I kinda think it’s like all the other genres out there. Mainstream tracks usually aren’t as good as little known tracks, and mainstream artists often have less talent than ones who aren’t so popular. The music business is more about business than music. If anything, music industry executives should be apologizing for befouling (in my opinion) the most beautiful form of art.
@Voiceofreason,
“Mainstream tracks usually aren’t as good as little known tracks, and mainstream artists often have less talent than ones who aren’t so popular.”
I know what you’re trying to say here but I don’t think I can agree. The reason that a lot of mainstream MAINSTAYS are who they are is because they do have beaucoup talent that resonates with the people. Sure we all know of indy acts who are “the most talented person nobody knows of” but I tend to think that the cream does in fact rise to the top.
You can’t deny talent…hell, and Father forgive me for this, how do you explain the fact that Drake blew THE F*CK up seemingly overnight off the strength of a mixtape? Dude is talented. I dont think the talent matches the hype, but people see something there and he’s figured out how to put his talent at the forefront and exploit it.
Most acts nowadays wont be around 2 years from now…the folks that do manage to stay, even the Lupe’s of the world, maintain their spot b/c of their talent.
I don’t know if someone said it or not already but a papoose is a board w/ restraints. Something used for combative or certain types of patients. So dude is supposed to be either crazy or like loves pain. yo no se
@WuDaMan, so thus far you’re like the 50-11th different definition of papoose.
i’m guessing nobody really knows. lol.
other things.. sorry if they have been named already
hip hop owes apologies for the fact that now in the middle of the mall there is a place where I can get gold fronts in 20 minutes…
in fact apologize for all the arabian jewelry kiosks in malls nationwide ESPECIALLY the ones that sell those huge fake a$$ diamonds.. I mean they arent even cubic zirconia and they are set in shyt that beauty supply jewelry frowns at…
also the huge bedazzled chain shyt.. cmon dude your Reeboks look like they were auditioning for a 90″s booty shake mix video.. scrub the ground…..scrub the ground.. we know that shyt aint real
all these graphic and rhinestoned jeans and button ups.. umm I know, Jay z said get ya button up on but I am sure he wasnt referring to THOSE button ups.. with the writing all across the back, raised embroidery and the rhinestones…CMON you’s a grown man get ya shyt together
Apologize for grown men with braids in general but especially with barrettes, colored rubberbands, or any other g.a.y a$$ adornments
Honestly, I’d rather get an apology from R&B.
@8th Wonder,
*unconsolable weeping uncontrolable shouting and dancing* (legs are litterally a blur)
Amen Sistern
@8th Wonder, Reuben Studdard did that back in 2004
@Panama Jackson,
“Reuben Studdard did that back in 2004″
And I’m still awaiting an apology for THAT “song”.
Nice!
Deck is the only reason to listen to Wu-Tang Forever!
@Tyler,
hunh?
@WuDaMan,
I think Wu-Tang Forever is bloated and unfocused and as compelling as it should have been. It’s not terrible, but Deck is consistently the most thrilling part of that album.
If I had to grade that album I’d give it a C.
oops…that’s “not as compelling…”
@Tyler,
im waiting for rae to drop cuban links 2
I’m tired of all the complaining about the state of hip hop I really am. Its gotten past annoying to really sad actually.
Black men in skinny jeans! Just put a post up about this…come visit us!
Hip-hop should apologize for creating rappers who can’t act, taking jobs away from real actors. 50 Cent, Method Man, The Game, Common, and the list goes on…
Try numerous douchebag rappers from down South with “lil,” “young,” or “boy” attached to their names when they’re all grown *ss men.
Also, on a related note, Hip-Hop simply MUST apologize for inspiring so many filthy, stinking biters. Rappers simply hate being original. Same name, same drum track, same steez, same everything. Makes rap music look homogenized.
Re: no homo: I do appreciate spinoffs like “no pedo,” “no kello,” “no lesbo,” “no capto,” and more….
I’m so glad you mentioned #4! I have said before that black men’s obsession with respect comes from insecurity which makes them overly sensitive. Every murder in the hood was b/c somebody “disrespected” somebody. Crazy.
I actually feel like Lupe is the new attitude of the hip-hop generation. The fact that his fame came from capturing a gimmick (Kick, Push) and then he pretty much shunned the past (the whole Tribe incident) with little remorse seems to say everything about the new generation of hip-hoppers. He just seems like the anime geek that was pretty much a loser…except for the fact that he could flow pretty d*mn well.
Im sorry, but I question your hip hop Acumen if you think Lupe is whack
Concerning the “R-E-S-P-E-C-T my authori-tah” issue…my eyes were opened after reading a book entitled “All God’s Children” by Fox Butterfield. The book chronicles the legacy of violence that has been passed, from generation to generation, within the Black community.
Through the author’s research, I learned that the whole idea of “R-E-S-P-E-C-T” originated from slave owners. Butterfield examined the ideology of white settlers in Edgefield, South Carolina, during the late 1700′s…what I found so alarming was the fact that Edgefield had a murder rate akin to that of present day Washington, D.C. Butterfield said that these English settlers openly brandished guns, knives, etc. and would challenge their white counterparts to duels (on the street) if they felt as though their AUTHORI-TAH had been disrespected. They killed each other without hesitation, remorse, or punitive backlash. Many of these men were court officials, etc. They killed and then went to work the next day…with impunity!
Slaves saw this…and their masters were veritable Shaft-like beings (equipped with theme music and all)…and they wanted to BE their masters. Slaves wanted to be able to garner the same type of R-E-S-P-E-C-T, and hence, the behavior we see today.
I think it’s an interesting theory. Of course Butterfield can’t claim “This is THE reason why…” but it sure makes for great food-for-thought.
Ms. Friendly
http://www.msfriendly.wordpress.com
I was robbed by a man with a polo shirt, but it was only partially pink. there was also a significant amount of baby blue and yellow. It is as humiliating as you might suspect. I’m just glad he only took the register and not the cash out of my pocket. Halfway crooks, I believe is the appropriate term. If he would have robbed a Haaji Mart he’d be dead.
I think hip-hop needs to apologize for overusing autotune (sp?) in order to mask the lack of talent. I also wish that some of these songs weren’t so damn redundant! Between OJ Da Juiceman (I personally just refer 2 him as Tropicana) constantly screaming “AY! Okay! Okay!”, Gucci Mane screaming “BURR!” in all parts of his songs because he rep’s So Icy Ent, and these rappers talking explicitly about sex, drugs, & the alcohol they drank in between. I remember being little and listening to TLC, LL Cool J, 2pac, Biggie, Nas….back when hip-hop used 2 tell a story and relay a message. I miss it so much!! Now, it’s more so of a joke & 1/2 of these songs make me laugh. SMH
I’m sorry, but I feel that this entire thing is just ridiculous. Hip-hop is not just about rap, and names, and colors that people wear, and how grown men carry themselves. Hip-hop is in fact a culture; a culture that has not only effected the black community in positive or negative ways, but the world just the same. If anything, hip-hop/rap doesn’t have a damn thing to apologize for. If you don’t like hip-hop, don’t listen to it, and stop bitching. I say that because there are actually musical “talents” in this world that actually promote hate and bigotry. I’m not saying that hip-hop doesn’t have its faults, but who doesn’t?
I currently have the flu, and after reading this, I had to respond. I could sit here and criticize all 10 of your ridiculous reasons, however, I think that I will just pick a few, and go back to bed. The part about slang? WTF- are you kidding me? Does it bother you that much? People have have been saying “Cool” and “bruh” and “dude” etc for over the past 3 decades. The world is constantly evolving, so is language. Suck it up. The part about pink? Are you f**king serious? It’s a color! And if someone wants to wear it, then so be it. You wouldn’t feel right about being robbed by someone wearing pink? Umm, hello? F**k, what they’re wearing. If you’re being held at gun-point, your main concern should be keeping your f**king mouth shut, not angering the criminal, and trying your best not to get shot- their “ghetto fashion hell no” should not be your main concern. Don’t be stupid.
And the last part that I will hit on would be the over-sensitivity as you’ve stated. The biggest part of hip-hop is expression. And how the hell can you express how you feel if you’re not truly in touch with how you feel? There’s a difference between “hip-hop” and “Thug Life” and the moment you come to terms with that, the happier I’m sure you will be. And if you’re worried about the youth growing up to be “p**sies”, then you should probably check with their parents. Freud believed that 4 factors contribute to who we are: our education, our peers, our religion, and our family. So with all of these influences, parents have the most amount of power, and yet, a lot of parents don’t exercise it these days. So if parents are okay with their kids listening to certain music, then shut the hell up- it’s not your business. I mean, it really sounds like you have a huge issue with Hip- Hop. If anything, you should do something more constructive with your time, like arranging klan meetings, or shouting “DO IT!” to under-age pregnant, black teens outside of abortion clinics.
You insult a culture that is constantly blooming in world dominated by white social norms. Stop bitching. Shut the hell up. If you don’t like it, don’t listen to the music, or watch the music videos. People are always worrying about issues that don’t really effect them, but can never analyze and deal with their own personal issues. Douchebag.
@DrGodiva,
Hahahahaha well said, especially about the wearing pink part. Can’t help but add though, in Freud’s day the media wasn’t as huge as it is now so I’d probably add that to his 4 factors that influence a child which I suppose is where the argument about influencing a generation of pu**ies comes in…but then again would a generation of pu**ies really be a bad thing?
@Vega,
Thank you for the comment. First of all, p**sy is not exactly my cup of tea, so yes, a generation of it would be bad
. Seriously though, a generation of it would be bad. Whether it or be hip-hop or corporate America, the goal really is to get rich or die/kill tryin’. So if you have a bunch of individuals who aren’t brave enough to deal with their issues in a sensible way or direction, then typically they’re going to do something REALLY bad. We should avoid that at all cost.
As far as Freud is concerned. Freud lived not that long enough (almost a century), however, the pen has always been mightier than the sword, and I believe my original statement to be true. I went to school with kids that did not have tv’s in their home only because their parents wanted to limit their entertainment intake. Which, I could definitely understand. I mean Jesus, there are shows about bisexual women trying to find love out of a crap load of frat boys and angry lesbians- I mean- how much trashier can you get? Ew. Then again, thinking about it- I guess you could lump the media in with peers, just because the internet, tv, cellphones, etc- it’s all just a way of communication.
@DrGodiva,
No problem. And once again you have a point, I was thinking more like a generation of freeloading hippies who are too unambitious to pursue money or power so that kind of society is done away with…not that bad in my opinion. And yea I guess you could call the media a peer in today’s society but that brings about a 1984 element to it that gives me the willies lol. The way tv and internet affects us nowadays is ridiculous. Might I remind you of the SNL Strategery sketch? Just as a refresher, Will Ferrell does a sketch on SNL where he plays G.W. Bush and he sums up the Bush campaign in one word: Strategery. A week later the Bush administration uses that very same fictional word to describe their administration. Quite a strategerous move, or is it simply quite scary how much television rules the country?
@Vega,
I can’t and I won’t even try to argue that. You’re absolutely right. I’ve been late for work before because I left my cell at home. I personally don’t watch much tv, but as long as I can see my Gossip Girl, Glee, and Weeds, I’m perfectly content! But you’re correct- for the most part, our generation is screwed! Fortunately, hip-hop is just a victim, wrongfully accused.
@DrGodiva,
Well thanks for that. And I know exactly what you mean, I’ve been late to work before getting lost in my iTunes library and I’m content as long as I have The Current Network, Skins, and El Tigre lol. Bue yea, hip hop is once again a victim simply because we don’t want to blame ourselves I think. Everyone uses music as an escape and for the most part we only define “real music/hip hop” as music that reminds us of what’s going on in the here and now. That’s why so many people buy party music like Soulja Boy instead of Nas who documents the streets for the most part. This is also why cats like Lupe are in such a weird position because they’re trying to sell albums so the make stuff that’ll be crowd pleasers like “Fire” and “Paris, Tokyo” then try and slip in didactic (meant to give a message) songs like “He say She say” or “American Terrorist.” I dunno, I suppose I’m just ranting by this point but it’s kinda hard to pin the blame on a consumer-based industry like music. I mean producers are only gonna promote what sells and if you stop buying it they’ll promote the artists you do like. Stop buying Soulja Boy and dancing to his catchy tunes at clubs and they’ll stop playing Soulja Boy on the radio, in stores, in clubs, etc. but if you continue to buy the stuff or just live in your own little world and try to ignore it then how is it supposed to go away?
-rant over lol
So I feel the need to chime in here…
1.) Hip Hop as far as I know it started as a new form of artistry so if you exploit it for money like the Soulja Boys of the world (he seemed to be an easy target) then it’s something different altogether in my opinion no matter how many breakbeats you shove in a 3-5 minute song clip. Because of this view I have to me hip hop is doing fine, it’s merely stayed an underground movement while its underdeveloped overlywhored half-sister we call rap has been tossed around more than Paris Hilton at a film festival (Low blow I’m sure).
2.) Methinks you’re a bit too hard on Lupe. For the most part I can agree that he has a lot of potential that goes to waste, but there are enough gems in his discography that make him a worthwhile artist like He said She said (story of my life), Hurt Me Soul, American Terrorist, and even his new song Fire which samples Jimi Hendrix (and I sure do love me some Hendrix). To me he’s the classic example of an artist who’s trying desperately to find a balance between sending a message and selling albums and I think he’s doing an admirable job.
3.) This’ll be my last point for right now, but you really can’t bomb on New York so hard. Sure they’re cocky and arrogant and everyone thinks they know everything about hip hop, but they are the foundation of hip hop (for better or for worse) and they were the breeding grounds for some of hip hop’s biggest stars like The Notorious B.I.G., Mos Def, and Talib Kweli. I can agree that New York has an overinflated ego and can come out with some of the biggest flops in hip hop, but they also have some of the greatest stars as well which comes with the territory I assume.
4.) Actually I’ll add one more cuz I just say the autotune comment. You can’t get mad at the use of autotune in rap nowadays, it’s the natural progression of music experimenting with new technology. I’m sure people were saying the same thing when djs started to scratch or when rappers started to sample popular tunes (Yea I know, pretty bad examples lol). Point is, don’t get mad at the music, get mad at the people r@ping it and using it as a gimmick. There are times when autotune adds to a song…I can’t think of any examples because I don’t listen to current music that much, but try and imagine Love Lockdown with Kanye’s regular singing voice…not very pleasant.
Dude, I agree with your comment about Lupe. Lupe is undeniably dope. Period.
Oh, something you might wanna watch that fits nicely with the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjvVf2PKoV4
How about making men think it’s okay to wear skinny jeans?
hip hop owes an apology for all the color-by-number cash money artists and their stupid*ss rhymes and antics that relentlessly continue to drag us back to the damn slave days.
also, what in the hell is a wacka flocka and why is it amassing crowds of ignant ninjas in its insatiable quest to turn them all into brainless gorillas? HIP HOP MUST APOLOGIZE FOR THIS:
(1:40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDvt4ae27w8
1.) What’s wrong with skinny jeans?
2.) Hip Hop didn’t start that trend that’s why you have a plethora of artists that try and bash them by saying their penises don’t fit in them.
3.) Hip hop shouldn’t apologize for ignorant ninjas, ignorant ninjas should apologize for themselves. If anything hip hop is the victim here constantly being raped and instead of us helping her we’re asking her to be accountable for every ninja that forces his way in! Like Waka Flocka is not hip hop, Soulja Boy is not hip hop, hip hop is what YOU make it so the true artists can make things like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq-crVkXcaw
OR this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPOHRE8jhQ