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Support Birth Of A Nation Or Not, But Just Know That Nate Parker Is Probably Peak Fuckboy

I have never seen anything like what’s happening with Nate Parker right now. Of course, I’ve seen prominent public figures suspected and/or accused of wrongdoing do the apology tour thing. And I’ve also seen many of these types of figures eschew the tour thing, either because they were advised to by their lawyers/publicists/management — who figured, for whatever reason, that doing it would be more harmful than not — or they just didn’t care enough the controversy to bother. Either way, what’s done is done out of an instinctual need for self-preservation. For people to ultimately do what they believe is necessary to save their own ass.

Nate Parker, however, seems to want to somehow un-save himself. Despite countless attempts to help him remove his own foot from his own mouth — and even actually successfully doing it for lack a week — he seems hellbent on placing it back in there and keeping it there for perpetuity. Like he likes the taste of size 12 Timberland and can’t get enough of it. It’s like a kid being told by everyone — parents, teachers, friends, neighbors, and even a speaking Doberman Pinscher — to not eat the cat poop he’s holding in his hand. And then being convinced to drop the cat poop. And then everyone says “Yay. Good for you for dropping the cat poop!” And then right when they’re done congratulating him, he stuffs a fistful of cat poop in his mouth.

Below is a small list of people who have either allowed Nate to explain himself or even just came out and said “You know what…you’re not prepared to handle the consequences of eating this cat poop. So go sit down and I’ll do it myself.”

1. Fans of Nate Parker

2. Classmates of Nate Parker at Penn State

3. People who’ve seen Birth of a Nation and believe it’s an important movie that needs to be seen

4. People who haven’t yet seen Birth of a Nation, but wish to and recognize that it’s an important movie that needs to be seen

5. The homie Britni Danielle at EBONY

6. Jesse Williams, in a way

7. Fox Searchlight

8. Gabrielle Union, who, by sharing her poignant and powerful words about her own experience with sexual assault, has practically made herself Nate Parker’s kevlar vest

And yet, somehow, someway he still found a way to show his ass on 60 Minutes, expressing his lack of guilt and regret over what happened that night — and what he did in the weeks/months/years following that night — and the fallout from it. And, just in case anyone went to bed early last night, he reiterated his feelings on Good Morning America, and even got a little short and testy with Robin Roberts.

There is no discernible upside to him continuing to do this. He must know that any national interview will probe that topic. And he also must know that there’s no way for him to say the words “I don’t feel guilty” and it not be the only thing anyone will remember about that interview. Which either means that he’s not smart (which we know is not true) or that he’s so thoroughly entrenched in Peak Fuckboy that his arrogance has made him oblivious.

The part about this all that’s most perplexing is the fact that no one wants to do this. Whenever a prominent figure — particularly a prominent figure who happens to be a Black male — goes through the criticism ringer for suspected misdeeds, there’s also a criticism to the criticism. Particularly a criticism from Black people aimed at other Black people who happen to be critical.

What these people fail to realize is that we (the critical people) were ready and willing to drink the Nate Parker and the Birth of a Nation Kool-Aid too! I’d much, much, much rather be writing about the 36-year-old Black man who produced, directed, and starred in a film about America’s most storied slave revolt than about a 36-year-old fuckboy who doesn’t seem to have changed much in 17 years. I, like most other people, would prefer to be able to go and see the movie without the aid of any cognitive dissonance. I was even willing to gloss over the fact that, as Soraya McDonald brilliantly articulated at The Undefeated, Birth of a Nation might not even be that good.

We were rooting for this dude. No one was sitting around thinking “I really, really, really, really hope that this dude has some unsavory rape allegations in his past. And that, when given multiple opportunities to express any type of remorse about it, he digs his foot deeper into his mouthBecause I would definitely love for that to cloud, color, and complicate my feelings about this film!

Anyway, the movie comes out this week. Go see it, or don’t go see it. It’s whatever. Just know Nate Parker doesn’t seem to give any fucks about your spiritual and emotional support. Or not making you look like a damn fool for supporting him. Just your money.

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • Cherron

    This reminds me so much of the Woody Allen situation. People are either vehemently against supporting him in any way regardless of actual convictions, or they believe his work is more important than allegations.

    • cyanic

      Woody like Bill has the luxury of legacy on their side. Parker is too new and unestablished to the wider public to receive either a pass or the benefit of the doubt.

      • Cherron

        I don’t think ppl give Woody the benefit of the doubt tho. I think they just don’t care enough to stop supporting him. Same with Roman Polanski.

        • cyanic

          We know Polanski did it. But Allen we can only speculate based on the taboo material in his art.

          • Cherron

            And the very detailed experiences of his daughter.

            • cyanic

              Depending on where you stand with Allen it’s easy to see the plausibility of her claims.

              • Cherron

                I’m biased bc I tend to believe daughters saying their dad molested them, then he married his adopted daughter so it’s pretty plausible

                • cyanic

                  He never adopted his girlfriend’s adopted daughter. Hence the legality of the marriage despite the immoral implications of the whole thing.

                  • Cherron

                    True. He never technically adopted her.

                    • cyanic

                      Nor did he have an interest in the lives of Mia’s kids outside of the children they shared except the girl he eventually left her for.

                    • That’s a pretty damning sentence regardless

        • Negro Libre

          Woody and Polanski came out of the white hipster artist part of the country, and they’ll forgive you for a massacre or terrorism as long as you’ve done something they consider “genius” and capable of “changing the world.” Nate Parker doesn’t have that same background

          • Cherron

            Yes Parker’s personal past is very different from Allen and Polanski, but the excuses to support Birth of a Nation are similar to the excuses made to support award winning work by those artists… that this is bigger than their personal ethics

        • DM.

          True. I mean, Johnny Depp punched and kicked Amber Heard and the world collectively looked the other way. Never seen anything like it

          • Cherron

            And the escalation was recorded! Amber Heard got attacked relentlessly as a liar and gold digger, even after giving all the divorce money to charity smh

      • Nik White

        They also have the luxury of not being Black.

  • Brass Tacks

    I’m going to go see it.

  • Duff Soviet Union

    I love the hotep “this is all a conspiracy to stop people seeing the movie” line of thinking. Like, he’s getting paid $17 million for this and it takes pride of place on Fox Searchlight’s website while being heavily promoted, but apparently “they” (whoever “they” are) are trying to bury this movie.

    I also love how many black men talk about how screwed up the legal system is but fall in love with it when it comes to treatment of women.

    I remember reading someone who pointed out that prison abolitionists are overwhelmingly women while men tend to be “reformers”. “Reform” generally meaning “enable my crap treatment of women, but stop racially profiling me”.

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    • HouseOfBonnets
    • Diego Duarte

      There are not enough likes in the world for this comment right here.

    • ~*V. von Schweetz*~

      This comment deserves a post unto itself.

    • You win the innanetz for the day.

    • Delia

      Hotep or not, I still find it convenient that how this man appeared in other films, these accusation did not surface. But now that there is a powerful story of Nat Turner that was independently made by Nate Parker, a black man, all of a sudden these accusation appear. I know how ‘the man’ gets down and works ‘his’ machine. I’ll be watching the movie just to spite ‘him’.

      Nate Parker has been trailed and acquitted by the court system for raping a women (a white woman, which is rare).

      You can find me in the theatre watching “Birth of a Nation” like:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da41590f9a3d9b8e0e2ff149f182737c34fb4c08a6ff634809564c61de3d648c.gif

      • Duff Soviet Union

        Again, how do you explain the promotion this movie is receiving and all the money Parker is getting for making it? I guess “the man” forgot about those things.

        • Delia

          That’s the very reason to shut it down, I mean a nearly recording breaking buy out by a large film company of a black independent film?

          I know I sat down and watched the interview on Sunday and saw emotion, discomfort and transparency from Parker. Parker admitted what he did was morally wrong, but did not apologize that his actions solely contributed to the death of that woman. If you missed it here’s a link:

          http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-nate-parker-birth-of-a-nation-anderson-cooper/

          All I know I was not on the jury nor privy to details of the allegations and neither were you or any of these individuals making definitive assumptions. He was not found guilty, period. You can go ahead and join the masses, imma go against the grain and support the movement. The man will not make a robot out of me…

      • SororSalsa

        Sigh…I remember this story coming up 2 years ago when Beyond the Lights came out. But perhaps since that was a movie made by a black female director, it didn’t have the same high profile and the story didn’t get as much traction, but it was definitely around.

        • Delia

          Of course, it’s public knowledge. The question is why is it getting this amount of traction now??? So timely with the release of his black movie of a black slave revolt?
          He is a black man acquitted by a white jury for raping a white woman in America, pretty rare even today.
          And now black people want to fake outrage because the media told them too??? (Eye-roll) y’all shoulda been with the fake outrage back when Denzel Washington put him on.
          Keep up with massa’s plan…..

          • HoneyRose

            Because he’s in the public light more, obviously. Beyond the Lights and the Great Debaters were much smaller efforts and he wasn’t the star of those. in this he’s taking a more leading role, so he’s in the spotlight more and the accusations have come more to the fore.

            And I’m not faking outrage, I am actually outraged. White or not, he was involved in raping a woman and got away with it on a technicality and is actually not apologetic about it at all. That has nothing to do with “massa’s plan,” that’s rape culture.

            • Delia

              Well I guess they deleted my response. I guess cuz I’m not with the man’s plan and black folk needa get paid by their endorsers

      • cakes_and_pies

        Who likes their own comment. LMAO.

        • Delia

          I do, consistently quite frankly

      • Objection

        Nate Parker has been trailed and acquitted by the court system for raping a women (a white woman, which is rare).

        I don’t know if he is guilty or not guilty. However, I find it strange how people are ignoring the conviction rate for black people.

        • Delia

          Exactly, people so quick to follow a commentary rather than look outside the box and see the big picture.

    • ladyfresh

      lord and i think i fell in love with the comments section
      feeling like a safe space

    • Furious Styles

      All the contrary comments below further prove your point…as they miss it entirely.

  • Duff Soviet Union

    Another thing, is this movie actually going to be any good? All the language surrounding it is about “supporting” it because it’s “important”, but nobody really seems that excited about it. It almost seems like a homework assignment.

    • NonyaB

      You’d think that aside from this movie, no other resources on Nat Turner exist and no-one will ever be allowed to make films on the topic again.

  • HouseOfBonnets

    I mean there are no lies to be seen especially the fuckboy and this movie not being needed points…. Because it’s true.

  • iphone300

    Not trying to defend this guy, but how exactly is he supposed to respond to this situation? I really dont know what this guy can say that would appease people, of either side

    • TLati

      The real question is why did he allow his self to get into that type of situation?

    • PinkRose

      A sincere expression of concern would help immensely. Not this “ya’ll can kiss my BLACK a ss” ‘tude he’s on.

      • Julia
        • PinkRose

          I said sincere expression, not some bull$hit statement to keep the media outcha’ a ss.

          • Julia

            Lol, so he makes a post that clearly says its form his heart but you arbitrarily dismiss it as not being a sincere expression

            Obviously, there’s absolutely no way this man can do right by you. You’ve made up your mind about him, a trial that ended 17 years ago and you won’t see anything in any objective light. So why even answer this question?

    • blogdiz

      For One Stop talking

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      He can’t. Period.

      The movie should not have been made. Somebody at the studio messed up on the background check.

    • Janelle S

      Apologize for what he did. Honestly. Apologize for harassing this woman after she made the allegation. Acknowledge that when you know better–and a 36 year old man should know that just because she consented the night before DOES NOT mean she consented the night of the rape–you should do better.

      He knows what he did to that girl, and has not acknowledged the pain he caused her. Every interview involves him talking about his own pain, his own struggle. He can stop making it about himself and actually acknowledge that he did this awful thing and apologize for it.

      • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

        Wow..i think you guys talked past one another.

      • iphone300

        But if he admits to being a rapist people definitely wont see the movie

  • Why in the world should someone express guilt or remorse *if* they didn’t do anything wrong?

    • cyanic

      Please read the evidence that suggest otherwise. He was acquitted due to having a prior relationship with this girl. His friend that he offered her to while in an unresponsive state took it upon himself to take what he wanted.

      • He was acquitted not because of a prior relationship but because the jury believed that the woman consented to intimacy with Parker but not with his friend.
        In any event Parker very strongly believes that he did not rape the woman. Apparently there wasn’t enough evidence to prove that he did. I don’t think he should retroactively admit guilt for something he maintains he didn’t do.

        • cyanic

          He is however responsible for giving the girl over to his friend.

    • Val

      There’s more to it than that. Just the fact that he not only still consorts with the other alleged r@pist but worked with him on this film is enough for a gigantic side-eye.

      • Julia

        See, this is what’s meant by confirmation bias. You see this as suspicious because you presume his guilt. If you don’t presume his guilt, what’s really suspicious about working on this film with a friend from college?

        • Val

          To just refer to him as a friend from college is ridiculous in this situation.

          • Julia

            It’s not, were they not friends before and after the night in question? If so, then again, nothing wrong with it

            • Val

              You are being obtuse.

              • Julia

                Says the person so blinded by their own bias they can’t see how there’s nothing objectively wrong or incriminating about working with a friend. Either you get it or you don’t

                You, unfortunately, don’t.

                • PinkRose

                  What WE get is the old phrase “you are the company you keep”.

                  And in the spirit of keeping it 100, I ENDED a friendship with a guy that raped a friend of mine. Maybe you wouldn’t. Obviously YOU wouldn’t.

                  • Julia

                    You keep presuming guilt. I guess you just don’t realize this or understand my pointing it out

              • Cheech

                *Tim Robbins Shawshank jpg*

                • miss t-lee

                  LMFAO
                  I always think about that too whenever I heard someone say “obtuse”…lol

                  • Cheech

                    I know. And then I think about the warden, and 30 days in the hole.

            • PinkRose

              Where’s the line with you? Would you maintain a friendship with a murderer too?

              • Julia

                A murderer is someone who obviously committed a crime. You have a man (Parker) who was found not guilty of a crime and another who was initially convicted but it was discovered his defense was weak and was exonerated

                So the better question is would i maintain a friendship with an accused murderer. The answer is yes, because accusations =/= facts. I wouldn’t however, maintain a friendship WITH a murderer. There’s a difference, I hope you realize

        • PinkRose

          The friend is a CONVICTED rapist. But you know, FACTS………

          • Julia

            Facts. He WAS convicted. Then what happened..?

            You know, facts, right?

            • PinkRose

              Then the victim committed suicide. Facts that are DEAD, pun intended, ON!

              • Julia

                No, then the “Convicted” friend was exonerated as it was ruled by the Penn. Superior Court that his previous defense attorney (You know, the one that oversaw his conviction) was ineffective to defend him. I guess that’s all some big, state-wide conspiracy though right?

                But yeah, facts. Keep them coming

                • PinkRose

                  So the vic rose from the dead too?

                  Girl, BYE!!!

                  • Julia

                    What?

                    • PinkRose

                      You’re throwing in random crap, so I thought I’d throw some in too. The FACT is that an unconscious woman was GANG raped, traumatized by her rapists afterwards, and later committed suicide.

                      His involvement, however exonerated by the courts, doesn’t change one d@mn thing about these FACTS.

      • Kas

        People been calling for you on the Obama shade post (in a nice way).

        • Val

          Lol Oh really? ;-)

          • Cheech

            By “calling” he means chanting and waving signs.

            • Tambra

              Don’t forget the theme song.

          • Kas

            We were all waiting with gleeful anticipation for you to drop a billion “I told you so’s”. Everyone asking, where’s Val. Alas, Val is over here debating with recently made avatars.

            • Val

              Lol No need for I told you so. From what I read lots of folks get what I have been saying.

              Beside that my mind was in gear talk about Luke Cage and I didn’t feel like changing gears.

        • Tambra

          She knows she prefers to toy with us.

  • I’m going to see the movie, to support the actors involved in this mess and also see a part of our history that has been hidden to the point I used to think it was a myth.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      Where was this hidden? I’m generally asking because hearing things like this is new for me.

    • LD3

      Hidden how? You can literally pick up his autobiography at your local library…

  • HouseOfBonnets

    General question: have black people really been this far in the dark about Nat Turner, his legacy and what he stood for this long? Because I promise you me and my classmates knew about this man’s life backwards and forwards by sixth grade…. And I went to Cps. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e223d2269f7fa30bb2903ba02542b49c0c634578a51bfb60c8e94b0a532dd78a.gif

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    • Hugh Akston

      i had to learn about him on my own, and many others…

      when i was in 10th grade i wrote a paper on MLK and X…i was supposed to pick who i agreed with the most…i chose Malcolm X…my teacher didn’t like that…had a talk after my presentation…and told me he was going to give me a D because i chose the wrong person…many of us were not so lucky to learn about certain individuals…during our history lessons

      • miss t-lee

        “chose Malcolm X…my teacher didn’t like that…had a talk after my presentation…and told me he was going to give me a D because i chose the wrong person”

        That’s messed up. :(

        • Hugh Akston

          yep it sucked at the time…but it taught me a valuable lesson..my mind belonged to me…and i can learn about anyone i wish, whether a teacher agrees with it or not..

          • miss t-lee

            Yessir!!!!

          • Nik White

            And what did yo mama say to this teacher?!?

            • Hugh Akston

              Didn’t tell my folks about it..i worked hard that I was able to barely pass the class…the worst grade that I’ve ever received on an assignment in high school

        • justtwo post

          I presented a black history month project in white face. In front of a white teacher. Got an A.

          • miss t-lee

            Wow.
            Please expound.

            • justtwo post

              English lit – We had to rewrite/alter/present a passage from a classic lit novel in a way that told a story about the African-American experience. I chose chapter 13 of “The Picture of Dorian Gray” when Dorian reveals the transformed painting to the painter and made it about black people [figuratively] in white face. Put some peach foundation on my face and wore a blonde wig. The white kids in my class didn’t like it at all but all the black kids were cracking up the entire time. I had a hard time keeping a straight face myself. My white teacher loved it. Who knows why.

              • miss t-lee

                This is so great.
                Kudos.

          • miss t-lee

            Who was your project about?

      • Cheech

        “Chose the wrong person.” He seemed to have a firm grasp on the whole freedom of inquiry thing.

        • Hugh Akston

          ironically that was the idea of the assignment…but i digress..

          • Cheech

            In related news, the beatings will continue until morale improves.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        I mean I can understand that but google has been up and running since September 4, 1998……..the door has been open for people to learn more. Granted I am in my mid 20’s so I may sound a bit like a tech snob but given the growth of our access to information over the last 15 years I kinda don’t see it as an excuse for most no to know this man. That’s not even counting books, articles and resources dedicated to him and his place in history.

        Maybe it’s just my general curiosity and wanting to find an answer, I would read encyclopedias/history books for hours as a kid.

        • Epsilonicus

          There is that whole issue of not not knowing what you don’t know

          • Val

            Happy birthday, Eps.

            • Epsilonicus

              Thanks!

              • Val

                Side-note: Since the post about exclamation points last week I’ve been experimenting with not using them. So just know I meant that enthusiastically. Lol

                • L8Comer

                  ???

                • LMNOP

                  Nothing wrong with exclamation marks, just cause women use them more. Women do lots of great things!

                • Epsilonicus

                  Hahahahaha!!

              • LadyJay?

                HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!

                • Epsilonicus

                  Thanks!

          • L8Comer

            Right. That’s what I was thinking… how would you know to look up Slave who led rebellion if you didn’t know it happened?

            • HouseOfBonnets

              I mean even now you could probably counter with now that you’ve heard the name in the movie you can still do research today…….but I remembered that not everyone thinks that way/

              • L8Comer

                Well yeah, now the name is out there and there’s lots of places you can seek out his story. I was speaking to before his story got all the traction it’s been getting in the media in the last year or so

            • Epsilonicus

              I learned about him but just broad details. Slave in the south. Led a rebellion killing 60 white people. Was hanged for it.

              There is only one little roadside marker with the rebellion though. Nothing else. Even in the county where it took place. I can see why folks do not know Nat Turner that well.

              • L8Comer

                Yeah, I also was given a very broad and vague history lesson on him. I’m sure it’s on purpose that we don’t know a lot about him. Don’t want negroes get any ideas

          • Kas

            You can’t know what you don’t know.

        • Hugh Akston

          i get that…but i didn’t have my own computer until freshman year in college…yahoo was the main search engine along with askjeeves lol

          and i didn’t know those folks even existed…MLK was the main guy that they talked about…or Abe Lincoln freed the slaves after civil war…and the civil rights act…that was pretty much our history lesson during black history month…

          • HouseOfBonnets

            I’m sorry you got railroaded like that, I will admit that I did not take the age range into consideration before asking (which thinking back on was ignorant on my part) since I’m in Chicago and almost every student I met/ran into/spoke with in the city/state either knew of him or at least vaguely heard I assumed he was much widely known. I’m also seeing when these types of films/shows come out that for the most part younger people tend to shy away from them since they feel like it’s a repetitive lesson while older people tend to want to patronize/push for younger viewers because they feel like it must be seen due this their previous experience with inadequate education of thier own history.

            I say all of that to apologize for my ignorance on assuming everyone’s educational experiences although in this case I still feel like the film is unnecessary.

            • Hugh Akston

              no worries we good…

          • Nik White

            AskJeeves-what a throwback!

            • Hugh Akston

              Lol yep that was my go to site now people think only Google ever existed

        • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

          For. HOURS!

          • HouseOfBonnets

            Yes, I was a social nerd in elementary and high school lol

        • Consummate Watcher

          If the man is found acquitted of any wrong doing by his peers, what should he feel remorseful for? What does that have to do with the film? countless actors/actress have shaky pasts, and yet people still support them. Countless entertainers have solid criminal pasts, still people bop and twerk to their music. countless holidays are named after rapists and murders of entire people, yet people have no problem recognizing them. Now all of a sudden, this dude cant be separated from his work for a crime he was proven to have not committed. Hypocrisy is so funny and colorless.

      • L8Comer

        That’s terrible. How did that make you feel? Did you tell your parents?

        She woulda hated me then. I stayed writing reports about Marcus Garvey in grade school lol. Malcolm’s dad was a Garveyite and I fancied myself one too.

        • Hugh Akston

          like crap of course…but it taught me well…but nah didn’t tell my folks…didn’t think they would do anything to make things better

          how the heck did you discover them early on? Again I had to learn about those guys on my own..while in college and post college

          • L8Comer

            A combination of my parents influence, my own curiosity, and when I was a preteen, the internet.

            So for example Marcus Garvey, happened cuz I’m Jamerican and his face is on the 50 cent coin (I found my 3rd grade project the other day and I had included the coin in the cover!) so I asked and my mom told me. Curiosity deepened cuz we happen to share the same birthday. So I asked for books on him and my parents got them. Later on I found his poems and stuff on the internet.

            Malcolm X? My parents were too busy to censor me so I saw that movie when I was pretty young and then my parents had the autobiography on their bookshelf, so I read it when I was about 11. After that I just kept searching for black authors and leaders. I was lucky becuase a lot of good stuff was just laying around the house and my parents didn’t sensor us at all. Also I was the youngest and my older sisters and cousins schooled me.

            • Hugh Akston

              that’s pretty awesome…wasn’t as lucky though..

            • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

              My father used to run with Malcolm X and my mother’s side is Jamaican, so I got the whole Marcus Garvey education starting at age 6…

              • L8Comer

                That’s cool!

                • Nik White

                  Very!

      • Kas

        Your teacher taught you the Blackest lesson ever, basically “nah nuccah”. I honestly can’t remember learning about anyone other than MLK, Harriet Tubman, anf George Washington Carver.

        • L8Comer

          I guess I was lucky. I wish a teacher woulda tried that. My parents woulda had a sit down with them. I also had no problem telling my teachers when they were wrong cuz they made a lot of mistakes. But again, diverse area / Schooling means we had some power

          • Kas

            I graduateD from high school in 1983. My dad’s family were sharecroppers in AR. My mom’s family worked the agricultural fields outside of Bakersfield.
            We weren’t so woke then.

            • L8Comer

              Yeah I was born after you finished high school, so that makes sense.

              • Kas

                So can I get some respek on my name in our debates now or nah?

                • L8Comer

                  I always respect you, catdaddy Kas ?

                  • Kas

                    Picture me smiling while I pull my dress socks up while sporting my mandals.

                    Also when you are explaining to you family that they need to put me up, you can add that I am their age. That should allay any remaining fears they may have had.

                    • L8Comer

                      ???? Lolol not even. They’ll be even more horrified. Plenty of women in my family around my age dating men your age. Maybe if you were 70s.

                      I could call you my mentor ?

                    • Kas

                      I was joking, I assumed my age would just be one more nail in the coffin.

                    • L8Comer

                      ??? lol I kinda thought u might be but I wasn’t sure

                    • Kas

                      Really besides the point. Me to wifey:. I met this really cool person on the internet. Your family doesn’t feed me authentic food so I’m going to stay with her family in Kingston when we go . . . months later in the vsb comment section “I wonder whatever happened to Kas? He used to post all the time”

                    • Tambra

                      His wife banned him.

                    • Mochasister

                      Lol!

                • Tambra

                  You playing the ancient man card now Kas? You are losing it.

                  • Kas

                    You aren’t too old for me to put over my knee. No fresh talk will be tolerated.

                    • Tambra

                      Not sorry at all. LOL

            • Nik White

              Me too Kas. My great grand parents were sharecroppers in GA. My mom went (didn’t finish) to community college but she wasn’t and isn’t for any foolishness at school, work or the store.

        • Hugh Akston

          MLK was the only one i learned about…they only glossed over him…i don’t recall having a black history teacher either…so there goes that…

        • Mochasister

          You forgot Rosa Parks. They like to trot her out too.

      • Negro Libre

        It’s funny, after I moved back from Nigeria in high school, I had to do a presentation on a great American political figure based on a movie or documentary. At that time, I don’t think I knew anything about Malcolm X, so I did my presentation on him.

        Every classmate of mine thought it was the best presentation, but somehow I managed to get a B- (factoid about the teacher: she played a big role in a chex scandal in Mass. that Conservatives called “Fistgate”). I talked to my Dad later on about it, and he told that if I had asked him for ideas, he would’ve told me to choose some else, just because 2520 school.

        That being said, as I’ve aged, I’ve come to learn that few teachers actually read “the arguments” in a paper, especially if they don’t match the arguments in the textbook. If they don’t already believe something is true, accurate or well thought out, they grade the effort, not the arguments in question.

        • raul

          Truth. Never fall for the “I don’t care which position you take” line. Figure out which side the teachers on and go with that.

        • LMNOP

          Fistgate?!? That sounds pretty crazy

          • brothaskeeper

            Yeah. The fact that that scandal drew that title proves that karma is a muthafukka, and you were totally in the right.

      • LMNOP

        Your teacher sounds like an ignorant azz.

      • RaeRae

        In all seriousness the same happened to me in 10th grade. We had to pick a person to research. I picked Malcolm X. The teacher tried to get me to change my mind and I held firm. She gave me a D on the paper, but an A on the presentation. She said my outline was done incorrectly. My school wasn’t going anywhere near a Nat Turner lesson. I read Fires of Jubilee freshman year in college.

      • Anonymous

        My mama would have torn that whole school up.

      • cheddachasa

        I never considered myself lucky that my history teacher in my predominately majority high school didn’t squash my paper on the Black Panthers but maybe I was.

      • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

        Wow.. I hear these story, but its like…somehow, even to my woke-side, that this actually happened.

      • Mochasister

        Did you contest it?

        • Hugh Akston

          Nah too much stuff had already happened where I was more or else just defeated at that point honestly

      • Valerie

        In my freshman year of college I took an art class as an elective. The purpose of the assignment was to pick a role model so I choose Malcolm X.

        Everyone else has role models like Beyonce, Taylor Swift. I had to be the different one I guess.

    • mssporadic

      Uh yeah.

      Elementary School: don’t think we got out of the American Revolution

      High School: ~ 3 pages in a textbook. We glossed over it, and maybe blinked at Reconstruction. I went to a black high school in a major city.

      College: 2 history courses: Religion in the US; Women post-suffrage movement.

      Have I heard of Nat Turner? Yeah.

      I was a voracious reader, but mostly fiction.

      So yeah, the ads for this movie did spark my interest in his story. Paying $5-10 for a 2 hour movie didn’t seem so bad to learn about a fixture in American Black History…until Nate’s past came to light.

    • Other_guy13

      I didn’t know who he was…why should I?

      • Kas

        Shrug

        • Other_guy13

          Opps…I thought we were talking about Nate…not Nat…don’t judge me….long day

      • HouseOfBonnets

        I mean he played a key/memorable role in the history of American slavery. Although the revolt didn’t last and he died from it at the end he has his place in African American history.

      • Nik White

        His story demonstrates that not all enslaved people were “ok” with their lifestyles and took measures to change it.

        • Other_guy13

          I got my people mixed up…my bad

          • Nik White

            No harm no foul.

    • Dmaclee

      I was a very well read kid but I attended small Christian schools until high school. MLK and Rosa were the only black folks that the Mennonites were checking for. Other than a passing reference in AP History, I had no real understanding of Nat Turner until African American History at Hampton.

      My husband and I have gotten into some really bad convos about this. He is full out in his support while I have issues. What I’ve painfully had to realize is that some men will jump through hoops to justify his behavior because it makes them feel better about some of the truly messed up things that they’ve done in their pasts.

      I probably will allow my 13 year son to see the movie. I might not go. But I’ve also started having age appropriate conversations with my son about consent.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        Understandable at this point I’m not stopping or rallying people to boycott the movie because people are gonna people. But conversations like this do open my eyes as a mother like you. I’m hoping that explaining things like this to them in addition to stressing the importance is all we can do at least for future generations.

      • Nik White

        Good for you having those conversations with the young,future Pirate.

  • Lucy Van Pelt

    I was able to catch a screening for free, avoiding any existential crisis. Despite the hoopla, I thought it was just “good.” I did not think it was great or worthy of all the accolades. Please feel free to wait and see when it debuts on TNT.

    • TLati

      Man I tried twice to go to one of the free screenings but FOX gave no chill about the process. It was horrible! Now I know I can wait to see it and the dollar show. Thanks! :o)

    • miss t-lee

      All of this, and it’s only “good”?
      I’m giggling.

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