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Support Birth Of A Nation Or Not, But Just Know That Nate Parker Is Probably Peak Fuckboy

I have never seen anything like what’s happening with Nate Parker right now. Of course, I’ve seen prominent public figures suspected and/or accused of wrongdoing do the apology tour thing. And I’ve also seen many of these types of figures eschew the tour thing, either because they were advised to by their lawyers/publicists/management — who figured, for whatever reason, that doing it would be more harmful than not — or they just didn’t care enough the controversy to bother. Either way, what’s done is done out of an instinctual need for self-preservation. For people to ultimately do what they believe is necessary to save their own ass.

Nate Parker, however, seems to want to somehow un-save himself. Despite countless attempts to help him remove his own foot from his own mouth — and even actually successfully doing it for lack a week — he seems hellbent on placing it back in there and keeping it there for perpetuity. Like he likes the taste of size 12 Timberland and can’t get enough of it. It’s like a kid being told by everyone — parents, teachers, friends, neighbors, and even a speaking Doberman Pinscher — to not eat the cat poop he’s holding in his hand. And then being convinced to drop the cat poop. And then everyone says “Yay. Good for you for dropping the cat poop!” And then right when they’re done congratulating him, he stuffs a fistful of cat poop in his mouth.

Below is a small list of people who have either allowed Nate to explain himself or even just came out and said “You know what…you’re not prepared to handle the consequences of eating this cat poop. So go sit down and I’ll do it myself.”

1. Fans of Nate Parker

2. Classmates of Nate Parker at Penn State

3. People who’ve seen Birth of a Nation and believe it’s an important movie that needs to be seen

4. People who haven’t yet seen Birth of a Nation, but wish to and recognize that it’s an important movie that needs to be seen

5. The homie Britni Danielle at EBONY

6. Jesse Williams, in a way

7. Fox Searchlight

8. Gabrielle Union, who, by sharing her poignant and powerful words about her own experience with sexual assault, has practically made herself Nate Parker’s kevlar vest

And yet, somehow, someway he still found a way to show his ass on 60 Minutes, expressing his lack of guilt and regret over what happened that night — and what he did in the weeks/months/years following that night — and the fallout from it. And, just in case anyone went to bed early last night, he reiterated his feelings on Good Morning America, and even got a little short and testy with Robin Roberts.

There is no discernible upside to him continuing to do this. He must know that any national interview will probe that topic. And he also must know that there’s no way for him to say the words “I don’t feel guilty” and it not be the only thing anyone will remember about that interview. Which either means that he’s not smart (which we know is not true) or that he’s so thoroughly entrenched in Peak Fuckboy that his arrogance has made him oblivious.

The part about this all that’s most perplexing is the fact that no one wants to do this. Whenever a prominent figure — particularly a prominent figure who happens to be a Black male — goes through the criticism ringer for suspected misdeeds, there’s also a criticism to the criticism. Particularly a criticism from Black people aimed at other Black people who happen to be critical.

What these people fail to realize is that we (the critical people) were ready and willing to drink the Nate Parker and the Birth of a Nation Kool-Aid too! I’d much, much, much rather be writing about the 36-year-old Black man who produced, directed, and starred in a film about America’s most storied slave revolt than about a 36-year-old fuckboy who doesn’t seem to have changed much in 17 years. I, like most other people, would prefer to be able to go and see the movie without the aid of any cognitive dissonance. I was even willing to gloss over the fact that, as Soraya McDonald brilliantly articulated at The Undefeated, Birth of a Nation might not even be that good.

We were rooting for this dude. No one was sitting around thinking “I really, really, really, really hope that this dude has some unsavory rape allegations in his past. And that, when given multiple opportunities to express any type of remorse about it, he digs his foot deeper into his mouthBecause I would definitely love for that to cloud, color, and complicate my feelings about this film!

Anyway, the movie comes out this week. Go see it, or don’t go see it. It’s whatever. Just know Nate Parker doesn’t seem to give any fucks about your spiritual and emotional support. Or not making you look like a damn fool for supporting him. Just your money.

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • miss t-lee

    I watched this interview live this morning. Dude was a d*ck. Deflection was at an all time high.
    He tried to sidestep them questions, and I’m glad Robin kept pressing.

    • RagingNatural
      • miss t-lee

        Actually I didn’t.

        • Damon Young

          i think she meant to put that reply in the comment above yours

          • miss t-lee

            Ahhhhh!

            • RagingNatural

              I did!!! My apologies!

              • miss t-lee

                No prob. :)

    • He’s got that kind of look to him. That eternally constipated look that #DickishTypes have about them.

      • miss t-lee

        Oh, it’s definitely there.
        I’m pretty sure this is the same way he acted when the original sh*t went down.

      • NonyaB

        Yes, with his beady-azz, erratically moving eyes.

    • Val

      He was on 60 Minutes last night too and it was just as bad.

      • miss t-lee

        I missed it. I’m gonna watch the interview later, but I believe it after watching what I saw this morning.

      • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

        I didn’t look at that interview. He is certainly the expert at deflection. I won’t watch the film.

      • Mochasister

        I wonder how he would feel if someone treated his daughter the way he treated that woman.

  • Dopamine

    In my opinion, the bigger question is why, after 10 years of Hollywood notoriety, are these allegations regaining traction specifically before this film? Nate Parker is one man and the alleged victim is no longer alive. However, the effort to discredit anything that could be remotely construed as Black empowerment continues unabated. Yes, Nate Parker is a fuccboi for many reasons, but the real bogeyman is the invisible hand of white supremacy at work again….

    • Damon Young

      “In my opinion, the bigger question is why, after 10 years of Hollywood notoriety, are these allegations regaining traction specifically before this film?”

      http://verysmartbrothas.com/why-nate-parkers-college-rape-accusation-resurfacing-isnt-because-of-some-conspiracy-explained/

      (Also, people keep asking the questions because he’s done such a terrible job at answering them for the past couple months that now that story is as big as the story about the movie)

    • Brother Mouzone

      Honestly, I kinda wondered this myself…he might be the biggest a..hole in the world, but the timing is a little suspect.

  • Kwazi Style

    I think he is just truly over the constant speculation/questions/side-eye about something that happened 17 yrs ago that he “claims” he is innocent of. Its sort of unfair bc the other party killed herself…. which makes it looks as though it was bc of the supposed attack even though I read the young women had a history of depression and drug (pills) abuse prior to/during/after the supposed attack…. I’m not taking any sides since I wasnt there… and I did watch his Robin Roberts interview this morning and he was noticeably irritated by her constant questioning on the topic… I’m going to see the movie regardless bc I think the story is bigger then something he may or may not have done 17yrs ago.

    • When I first learned of this I felt (and still feel) like, “Well, I don’t know what happened” so I decided not to speak to either side of what COULD have happened. Do I think it’s likely he took part? VERY much so. Although, he was acquitted so…you know…I just don’t know. I’m comfortable with saying that.

  • Julia

    Parker was found NOT guilty of a crime so why should he be apologetic about it? He said he feels badly for how the situation played out (that the woman committed suicide) but after the trial all of that is beyond his control, yet you’re literally making a fuss simply because a man acquitted of a crime, isn’t accepting enough guilt for it and has moved on with his life? Ridiculous

    I’m going to see the film, and I have no issue supporting the man. Being accused of a crime does not make one a criminal, but it seems some are so illogically entrenched in their own agendas and views that anything that doesn’t step in tune with it suffers from confirmation bias of guilt

    • Skegeeaces

      Probably because most people realize an acquittal is not the same as being found not guilty and/or that what a jury says isn’t always bond *cough* OJ! *cough, cough*.

      Also doesn’t help his case that his friend who was tried with him was initially found culpable, but upon appeal was let off of the hook because the woman didn’t want to relive another trial.

      And finally, the girl did kill herself which suggests something traumatic did happen to her at some point.

      All those things individually don’t seem like much, but when added together look like smoke and where there’s smoke….

      • Julia

        That’s what’s known as confirmation bias, if people believe the man to be guilty despite all the evidence of the trial not being enough to convict him then that’s their own problem and in no way should it be held against Parker himself

        I would expect “most people” to be capable of a bit more critical thinking than that, but alas…

        • Adrienne_in_MTown

          Girl, you do know that people get convicted of crimes they didn’t do just based on hearsay, right? Please stop with this guilty/non guilty stuff. Plenty of people sitting in jail right now based on criminal cases that used little to no evidence and they shouldn’t be. A criminal conviction – or lack of – holds almost no weight these days for those reasons. It’s quite possible that he did do this.

        • Skegeeaces

          Really??? After we’ve seen all of these cops being acquitted of their brutality against minorities??? After article after article on how DAs pressure their ADAs to weed out Black jurors for grand juries??? C’mon….

      • Anonymous

        Um…actually, an acquittal is exactly the same thing as being found guilty. :-o

    • Val

      *hovers over “Julia’s” avi, nothing comes up. Interesting.

      • miss t-lee

        Very.

      • Cherron

        Lmao

      • Julia

        Obviously means I dont have one. Relevance?

        • Val

          It’s not about your avi or lack of one, moreso that there’s no history to you as a commentator. That usually means troll. Not saying you are, just that is what it usually means.

      • Mary Burrell

        Lol

    • cyanic

      Being acquitted doesn’t make you innocent George Zimmerman.

      • Julia

        Being accused doesn’t make you guilty

        Sounds like an impasse. Yet this article assumes some level of guilt and apparently, so do you

        • cyanic

          When he comes to accusing people of wrong doing I’m very concern about false allegations because the stigma behind them is permanent. However the factual details of the Parker scandal shows there was wrong doing there and intimidation.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      I mean this is the same system that has found numerous guilty police officers innocent despite hardcore evidence but sure this is one time we have faith in the justice system.

  • Negro Libre

    Question:

    What exactly is a f**kboy?

    ***As for the Birth of A Nation movie, I remember hearing ages ago that a Nat Turner movie could never be made (2520s wouldn’t allow it); just like 15 years ago, it was mostly unimaginable to see a black president. The simple fact that the movie was able to be made, is imo, a testament to the fact that any black story that wants to be told can be; how hard it would be to do it, is a different story all together

    • Hugh Akston

      “What exactly is a f**kboy?”

      This was the first that I’ve heard this word used…but I asked the same question before…don’t remember the answer

      I went to see Queen of Katwe the other night…quite an excellent piece… and yet in the whole theater…there were about 10 people….movies can be made it’s a matter who is willing to support it financially…and which groups it appeals to? there have been great black* movies that have been ignored…and discovered later…i hope BoN finds its success…so similar movies can be made…but again…its a matter of who will be supporting it…and who is going to watch it..

      • miss t-lee

        How was Queen of Katwe? I almost checked it out this weekend, but obligations prevailed.

        • Hugh Akston

          it was great…i took my little sister to see it…im probably going to see it again…for me it definitely was the best movie i’ve seen in theaters all year…and i’ve seen just about all of the big blockbusters that came…except suicide squad…don’t want to see it lol

          • miss t-lee

            Awww. That’s cool.
            Thanks, I’m definitely going to check it out.

          • Janelle Doe

            I liked it so much I didn’t notice until the end that there were no weapons or swearing. But then again Disney…

            • Hugh Akston

              didn’t want it to be over..

      • Val

        I think that film’s opening suffered from the fact that hoards of Black folks were watching Luke Cage this weekend. It will likely do better this coming weekend.

        • LadyJay?

          I watched Luke Cage! That drug dealer is the ISH! My God he owns and commands that role. His name is Maharasomething Ali.

          I just wish Mahara was Luke. He got that seggazy

          • Val

            Did he deal drugs? I thought it was only guns? Yeah, he stole the show.

            • LadyJay?

              Oh wait. I thought he was running a drug ring. I just wanted to be his First Lady.

              • Young Olu

                I take it you never watched house of cards

                • Yaya

                  Remy! He has good presence in HOC and Luke Cage. Luke Cage not so much.

                • LadyJay?

                  Yes I did. That’s when I first fell in love with him as an actor.

        • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

          You’re right Sister.

      • Negro Libre

        On one hand I agree, on the other hand, I’ve never liked the idea of “supporting” an artwork of any kind. I spent 13 hours over the weekend watching Luke Cage on Netflix, I didn’t watch it out of support, I watched it ’cause it was good and I wanted to watch it. We like to politicize or over-complicate certain things sometimes, but a movie is something you watch to be entertained not to show support: it’s a mutual relationship between those who helped produce the film and those who watch it.

        • Hugh Akston

          i somewhat agree…but after certain experiences, i do have to lend credence to certain groups supporting each more than others…

          i watched a few episodes of the show…it’s ok…nothing beyond that honestly…

          but let me give this anecdotal: i volunteer with a youth group (all black and one hispanic)…they put on different shows…we try our best to reach the black community in the town…hit up all of your regular spots…etc…without fail every single shows that we’ve had…95% of the attendees are white…and i find that sad honestly…here you are we have a vibrant group putting on great shows and yet, we can’t come out and support it? how do we expect those kids to have any kind of appreciation for us, whenever they look at the audience they need a binocular to see a black head?

          it is not a matter of supporting just because..but rather to show solidarity that tomorrow something greater can be presented…and that represent your group…and we will support that…otherwise we’ll just shrug and be called coons or whatever other names when we found success somewhere else and say f’ whatever community…

          • Negro Libre

            I think that’s different though.

            First of all, whether we’re talking a movie or a series like Luke Cage, we’re talking about things that were produced for commercial purposes. Not just mere fundraising or community participation, as it seems what your youth group does.

            I think it’s a matter of intimacy, if a lot of black and brown people aren’t coming to those events (I wonder if it’s the same with basketball or football?) that is truly sad. But if few a black people want to go out and watch “A Good Day to Be Black and Chexy”, I’m not mad at ’em.

            • Hugh Akston

              don’t get me wrong…i agree with you…im still of the mind though that if you have a product that is of value, your own people should be able to support…for if outsiders are the ones supporting there will be some resentment on both sides…

              SN: spoke with my Nigerian friend the other night, after a long conversation she essentially said “stay away, because…economy…” so there goes that…

              • Kas

                You still trying to figure out your next country?

                • Hugh Akston

                  haha yep…im tying things up here…got three more goals to accomplish…was thinking of taking the foreign service exam…but it still feels i would be under the same shackles…

                  me and my friend in Trini are talking about different ideas…but Im looking more into E Africa..

                  • Kas

                    Caribbean doesn’t suit your fancy?

                    • Tambra

                      After Matthew is done, he may have to go back to Haiti.

                    • Hugh Akston

                      haha i lived in the Caribbeans…i just feel like they are a bit saturated…i feel like many countries in Africa are still open for explorations…but the Asians are growing stronger there everyday..

                • Mochasister

                  Can you blame him?

              • Negro Libre

                Yeah nah I agree, I just feel scope matters. Community scope is different from market scope.

                As for Nigeria…yeah, I hear in some colleges workers are beginning to go on strike because pay is being withheld. Times aren’t good…

        • LadyJay?

          I watch movies to support. The one Lupita won an Oscar for, was not for any other reason than she was African.

          • Negro Libre

            You didn’t expect that you would enjoy the movie?

            • LadyJay?

              nope. It’s about slavery. Made by Hollyweired. What haven’t we seen b4?

              • Negro Libre

                Ah, hmmm, interesting.

                So you’ve watched every film Lupita’s put out since?

                • LadyJay?

                  since, no. But before that, yes. I used to watch her works. My favorite being the albino docuseries.

                  I’ll watch a movie just because Idris is in it, eg Daddy’s Girls. Not his strongest piece of work. Just fluff as far as I’m concerned. But yes oo!!!!!!

      • Janelle Doe

        Queen of Katwe grossed more than Bridget Jones though (even though it was limited release and the latter was shown all over) I think it was #7 of ten…

        • Hugh Akston

          that was for the weekend…bridget already made their money (well almost)

          true Katwe was being played in selected theaters in the first weekend, but second weekend was nationwide..and they’ve only made 2mil

          hope they get some steam in the next weekend or so

          • LMNOP

            There have been commercials on Disney channel for a while too, I’m surprised more people haven’t seen it.

            • Hugh Akston

              call me cynical, but i wasn’t expecting a high turnout…im hopeful but i have to accept reality

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Soon to be a web series!

      Eff boy chronicles starring Michael Ealy

      • Val

        Starring Drake?

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          Lol. Champagne Papi gets no love on VSB?

          • LadyJay?

            he is just soooo……!!!!!!!!

        • HouseOfBonnets

          He’s also executive producer and in charge of musical direction.

      • miss t-lee

        Eww.

      • Nik White

        With guest appearance by Idris Elba.

    • Brass Tacks

      “What exactly is a f**kboy?”

      Who really knows? I think its a general descriptor used as a blanket term for all types of things people don’t necessarily agree with.

      Playing a game of 21 and dude starts intentionally missing free throws after getting fifteen…f*ckboy

      Ghosting after texting for a two days straight. f*ckboy

      Chexing and then promising you will call when you know you wont…f*ckboy

      Leaving a swallow of liquid in the container because you don’t wont the burden of having to refill it…f*ckboy

      • Negro Libre

        Oh, so like a mitch?

        But just more abrasive?

        • Adrienne_in_MTown

          Same

        • Brass Tacks

          Yea… Pretty much.

          It’s the shaming of an individual for characteristics that one deems uncouth.

    • miss t-lee

      “What exactly is a f**kboy?”

      It’s really one of those, when you see it, you know type of things.

      • Val

        Lol

      • Glo

        Most accurate definition I’ve seen, tbh.

        • miss t-lee

          *curtsies*

      • LadyJay?

        It doesn’t need peer review studies. It just is what it is.

        • NonyaB

          LMAO @ peer studies. On the other hand, how cool would a multi-country meta-analysis of fxckboy be? Reference to identification and comparison by country, sold with travel/expat guides for women.

    • QueLoQue

      Depends on who you ask. The original term was f**kni**a, which could be used to denounce someone based on a lack of scruples, pusillanimous nature, or duplicitous actions (that’s that sh*t I don’t like). However, once the whites caught wind they added a another layer of misogyny to the definition which essentially changed it to ‘guys who treat women like dirt’ more or less, and that seems to have become the general accepted understanding of the meaning of the word.

    • NonyaB

      Fxckboy = Garbage human of the male persuasion. Given to perpetrating horrible behaviour in one or more areas of life (dating, at work, within family, etc).

  • JennyJazzhands

    His attitude is exactly what made me believe he actually did this and doesn’t care. He tried to pretend to care after finding out about the victims suicide. I guess he’s changed his mind from that stance.

    • miss t-lee

      “His attitude is exactly what made me believe he actually did this and doesn’t care.”

      Bingo.

      • JennyJazzhands

        I actually thought the chick may have been lying on him at first. Then his first interview hit the Internet and I was like, “nah, he did it.” He couldn’t even feign innocence.

        • Guest

          When I read the court papers, how dude motioned for his additional friends to join in, and one guy said he didn’t think it was right to join in and have four people there. He also said she was completely quiet, her legs and arms were not moving, so he got out of there.

          • Guest

            This is what did it for me. smh.

    • PinkRose

      No doubt the guy’s an a $$hole. And I think he’s guilty no matter what the court said.

    • Duff Soviet Union

      He thought it would get him sympathy and get people off his case. He was wrong, so he’s not bothering to pretend any more.

    • fedup

      Yeah, me too. A few articles back, I said I’d go see it anyway, being able to separate the art from the man. But, I’ve had a hard change of heart, all of it due to the fact that continued defense of himself, dismissal of the victim, and arrogant way he approaches any conversation of it leads screams “I did it”.

      I take it back to grade school; first person to holler (and the loudest one at that) about the smell is usually the one who farted!

    • NonyaB

      Oh, I peeped his lying when he pretended to have just found out about the victim’s suicide. In preparation for addressing this case, his PR would have researched all angles including tracking down victim (as part of pre-empting any response from her camp) and found out she died. His fxcksh*t statements and attitude was just icing on his conceit.

      • Ess Tee

        My guess is that Nate Parker is mad because he figured his interview with Ebony.com would suffice. Yanno, drop some buzzwords like “hyper-masculinity,” “unchecked manhood,” name drop a feminist like Roxane Gay and everything would be gravy.

        Well. HE THOUGHT.

        • ladyfresh

          thought the work was done. said as much on GMA and robin was like for the people that DID NOT SEE the 60 mins interview

          i.e. you not done
          this work is never done

          wtf man
          clearest example of black power is for black men work is never done
          but women? aren’t we finished with this work yet?
          attitude i’ve ever seen

    • Jamal Garrett

      What victim?? A crime has to occur for there to be a victim!

      • JennyJazzhands

        Okay dude.

      • Nik White

        SHE.KILLED.HERSELF

        • Jamal Garrett

          (Victim- a person who has been attacked, injured, robbed, or killed by someone ELSE)… so like a said what victim? so sit your dumbass down somewhere!!

          I was speaking in reference to those wanting Parker to apologize for something he was acquitted of!! He didn’t kill her! She had psychological issues which were documented before the encounter with Parker.

          • Nik White

            I stand firm in the fact that you are an idiot.

    • SororSalsa

      I think that he benefited from bro athlete privilege 17 years ago, because we know that campus prosecution of rape cases was not taken as seriously then. He seems to have an alarming lack of awareness, compassion and remorse about this case. He’s clinging to the fact that he was found not guilty. Yeah bruh…so was George Zimmerman.

    • Valerie

      He’s the worst type of jerk. The one that knows he is wrong but is so arrogant that he think he is above it all. I won’t be watching this movie because I don’t like his attitude.

      Whew I almost got heated, I can’t stand “men” like this.

      • Brother Mouzone

        I never heard of him until this movie. What other movies or TV shows has he done.? Were those projects boycotted also?

        • Valerie

          He was in Beyond The Lights (I really liked this film, can’t even watch it the same way anymore) Red Tails and The Great Debaters

  • Val

    *bangs head on the wall in frustration waiting for Luke Cage post*

    Nate’s problem, beside the obvious, is that he apparently hasn’t paid attention to the whole Cosby debacle. If there had been no Cosby r@pe situation(s) then I’m sure that lots more Black folks would have been caping for Nate and saying he was the victim of a mass conspiracy to shut down the film because of its content, etc.

    He, or his people if he has any, should have read the writing on the wall long ago that folks who were so inclined to cape for Cosby have by now, hopefully, realized that they have been had by Cosby.

    And also, he seems like an idiot at this point. I mean, does he even read what people say about him? Maybe he thinks he’s operating at a higher level and if he just ignores folks then it will all go away?

    Or maybe the same thinking that caused him to be an alleged r@pist is blocking him for seeing how absurd he is at this point.

    • Damon Young

      “bangs head on the wall in frustration waiting for Luke Cage post”

      there’s one from last week!

      http://verysmartbrothas.com/why-luke-cage-is-the-hero-black-america-needs-right-now/

      • Val

        Why are you torturing me like that, Damon!? Lol

        • Damon Young

          my thoughts on luke cage, in one sentence:

          i like it quite a bit, but not as much as i wanted to.

          • Val

            Interesting. I’d love you to expound on that. I, too, have some criticisms, but I actually had the opposite experience and liked it much more than I thought I would.

            • L8Comer

              Same, I like it more than I thought I would.

              • LMNOP

                Hmm. I might watch it, I usually skip all comic related TV shows.

                • Val

                  Me too. I had to convince myself to give it a try on Friday night. But I really enjoyed it.

            • Buster Cannon

              What criticisms did you have?

              • Val

                Main one was that Luke and Misty didn’t end up together.

                • Yaya

                  Yeah, I felt the same way about Luke and Misty. I like Claire’s character, but I feel like Rosario Dawson ALWAYS plays a main black character’s love interest. Why couldn’t she just play the good friend lol.

                  Ok I have one more issue, Mike Colter looks kind of awkward in some of his scenes. Hopefully he comes into his role more next season.

                  • Val

                    Yep, he was awkward but I kind of think that’s the way they wanted him to be.

                    • Yaya

                      True, I could see that.

                • Cleojonz

                  Luke and Misty would have been good together, but she already automatically decided he was her enemy. There was no coming back from that.

                  Why was Claire downgraded from a doctor to a nurse in this series? In the comic books apparently she was a doctor.

                  • Val

                    Interesting. I didn’t know Claire’s backstory.

                    • Cleojonz

                      When I know that a movie or show comes from other origins like a book/comic book I get a little crazy and read the whole wiki page. I want to know how close the story lines up to the screen portrayals. This seemed like an unnecessary switch though, she could have still been a doctor, especially since they had her doing surgery here basically.

                • Brother Mouzone

                  You know a brotha, even if he’s the leading man, isn’t allowed to get the pretty girl. Full disclosure..I haven’t seen the movie.

          • Chinasa

            same…i cant put a finger on why though….

            • Because Luke cage the character is not interesting.

              • L8Comer

                I think he’s interesting but I kinda see what you mean. he’s a super hero tho and it’s based off a comic so I his super hero-y persona flies with me.

                I haven’t finished watching the season, but there’s something about how the show brings the super hero writing style and characters into the real world that appeals to me. It’s like escapism, but still real enough if that makes sense

                • IDK. I binged the entire thing and there wasn’t a single compelling thing about him to me. That’s mostly due to the acting imo. He never owns any scene and his emotional range was very limited.

                  • Do you recommend watching it? Or should I find something else to do with those 13 hours of my life.

                    • I would the music is great and all the Black women are compelling multifaceted characters who are beautifully acted.

                    • LadyJay?

                      I don’t find that chick Luke’s phakking multifaceted. Maybe I just don’t like her.

                    • B-Dot Willz

                      The music was dope. I will say though that I had no idea that Jidenna was a legit rapper until I heard him in that scene on Luke Cage.

                    • Cleojonz

                      Me neither! I hadn’t heard Jidenna’s song. Now of course after seeing that episode I have seen the video for it twice.

                      My guy Charles Bradley was the band you saw in episode 3. This is such a come up for him because he’s a guy in his 60s finally hooked up with the right band and ow finally has some measure of success. He used to be a James Brown impersonator and actually got booed off the Apollo stage. So this brief appearance in a show depicting Harlem has to be such a shining moment for him.

                    • Janelle Doe

                      yes, def watch it (I am just done the first episode and it was nice to see Raphael Saadiq). I miss shows with good music – what was that show that had Malik Yoba playing a copy and there was always a song at the end in a bar? when I heard Raphael I immediately thought of that one.

                    • New York Undercover. Thanks I will check it out!!

                    • Yaya

                      Yass the music was on point! Nice mix of old school and modern day music.

                  • L8Comer

                    I do agree with his emotional range being limited, but I just thought that was a super hero thing. It’s not the complex, nuanced character development I’m usually drawn to… but I thought that was on purpose, like an artistic choice? I didn’t read the actual comic but the characters seem like comic book characters to me

                    I love it when says “sweet Christmas” hahaha. It wasn’t multi dimensional but it was an entertaining story to me

                    • Val

                      It definitely seemed on purpose. I mean, Claire kept calling him corny throughout the series to drive the point home, I thought.

                  • LadyJay?

                    I’d definitely read YOUR reviews as it pertains to films, or whatever. You got good taste.

                  • JamesInstagram

                    After binge-watching, I ultimately decided that the Luke Cage series on Netflix is just okay. And that’s fine. How many just okay sitcoms and dramas with mostly white casts stay on for years and years? Too many to list. The series itself is suuuuper colorstruck. But besides that, I won’t rain on anyone’s parade who says they love it. Getting too invested like it’s so profound is unnecessary labor. It’s fine. That is all.

                • Val

                  Yep, it was escapism and also there were a lot of talented and attractive Black folks on the screen. Also, I really got into the minutia of what was going on, that was fun too.

                  • L8Comer

                    Did you finish it yet?

                    Yep, plenty of eye candy to go around and I love every time Alfre Woodard is on screen. Who is your favorite?

                    • Val

                      Yep, I finished it last night. Misty was my fave. I loved her character and also she’s cute. After that Cottonmouth, he was so funny!

                      That was the first time I’ve ever seen Alfre speak at a normal pace. She ‘s normally a slow-talker. Lol

                      Who was yours?

                    • L8Comer

                      Lolol @Alfre. I like seeing her be shady

                      I liked cottonmouth cuz i think he’s so hot and he had the comic book villain thing down pat, especially with that laugh lol.

                      I liked shades cuz he was a great advisor / manager.

                      I liked Misty too. also cuz she’s cute and smart; I never get tired of looking at her facial expression. she was also “good police”.

                    • Val

                      Right, Mahershala played the heck out of that part. It was so wonderfully cartoonish. Lol

                    • Yaya

                      Yeah Cottonmouth is cute! Do you watch House of Cards? He plays Remy and looks even better with a bald head!

                    • L8Comer

                      Sigh I know. I can’t help but to call him Remy even though he played this part very well haha

                    • Nik White

                      Cottonmouth was in Free State of Jones too.

                    • L8Comer

                      I’m not familiar

                    • Nik White

                      Matthew McConhaughy(sp?) movie that came out earlier this summer about a whites and Blacks armed to fight the confederates.

                  • Cleojonz

                    And shout out to Sonia Braga as Claires’ mom. I hadn’t seen her in anything in ages!

                    • Val

                      Oh that’s who she was! Thanks because she looked so familiar but I couldn’t place her.

                • Cleojonz

                  “…there’s something about how the show brings the super hero writing style and characters into the real world that appeals to me.”

                  Exactly and especially since it’s current and doesn’t take place in a fictional place. Everyone knows what Harlem is.

                  • Nik White

                    And the show featured several sides of Harlem.

              • Val

                Luke was definitely the least interesting character. But I still found his backstory interesting.

              • Brass Tacks

                Luke Cage is boring. Hella boring. Having a nice soundtrack does nothing to detract from the fact that Luke Cage serves no real function other than to line Marvel/ Netflix coffer.

                Westworld tho?

                • I wish he had some swagger or was more boisterous in his personality. I really don’t think a 6’3″ 250lbs Black man that’s literally impenetrable to bullets would be as solemn as Luke Cage is. He’s pretty much “I don’t want to be a hero :'(” the entire time outside of when he’s giving Black history facts.

                  • Brass Tacks

                    I never really saw it for him. To me he’s a Shaft/ Sweetback hybrid, birthed from the era of Blaxploitation films. I admittedly was never a fan of the character or his origins. So my expectations were low to begin with.

                    I was curious as to how they would update the character for modern audiences taste. But watching it just affirmed that he’s another brooding protector in HeII’s Kitchen. Has tremendous powers but no fun with them because its hard outchea for a pimp.

                    *shrug*

                    Whoopty Doo…

                    • Nik White

                      Shaft/Sweetback hybrid – I like it Brass.

                    • Brass Tacks

                      Hey, I don’t critique without doing research…sometimes.

                  • Yaya

                    Yeah, I really wish he had more presence. The actor looks kind of awkward in most scenes.

                    • Right. He clearly has the look for Luke Cage but his acting is so flat. Very little emotional range.

                  • Cleojonz

                    Maybe that will come though. Right now he’s just trying to blend in keep his head down. Maybe as the series continues and he grows in his role as superhero his swagger will grow. It was certainly there in his interaction with Misty in the bar when they first met.

                • LadyJay?

                  God. And he ain’t foine. But I’m glad he eating.

                  • Brass Tacks

                    I want him to him to win. And folks here seem to think highly of it, sp there’s that.

                    • LadyJay?

                      Who? Luke?! The actor or character?

                      I think I hate Luke

              • Buster Cannon

                They toned his personality down a LOT when you compare him to comic Luke. The Netflix version of Luke isn’t going to fly down to Latveria and punch Doom in the face because he owes him $200.

              • LadyJay?

                BINGO!!!! He soooooo is not. Not compelling whatsoever.

              • Chinasa

                …thats it. imma power thru tho. Misty is the big homie

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        We in there talking about it!

  • PinkRose

    I think the film is MUCH bigger than Nate Parker and the obvious dumb $ht he did in college. And while I initially said I wouldn’t see it after rereading the story of Nat Turner, I think I will.

  • cyanic

    I need my slave movies to have an angle. Beloved had Oprah. Django had Tarantino. 12 Years a Slave was made by a black auteur. Nate Parker can keep mucking his Becky wife and feel unapologetic about sending a Becky to her death.

  • miss t-lee

    The way folks are acting about this movie you’d think Parker is Nat Turner.
    Like…there are other books, and shows about Nat Turner if you’re truly interested in learning more.
    It doesn’t have to be *this* movie.

    • J Remy

      I was thinking the same damn thing! I appreciate this man bringing forward this incredible story, but gotdamn, he’s not Nat Turner.

      • miss t-lee

        *daps*

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    • HouseOfBonnets

      Plus he’s literally in the top 10 mandatory people to bring up during black history month…. Been hearing about Nat Turner since I was 4.

      • miss t-lee

        I’m saying! I was beginning to think I was alone out here.
        You’ve made it this far and never heard of Nat Turner, fa real? Fa sho?

        • HouseOfBonnets

          I’m saying! They acting like this is Audre Lorde…… Now that’s someone that needs a story.

        • Kas

          I had never heard of him until fairly recently. Then again volumes could be written on my ignorance of Black History, and European History as well.

          • miss t-lee

            I’m sorry.
            He was always brought up during Black History month, and I remember reading about him back in junior high for the first time. Granted, I love history.

            • KNeale

              Day late and a dollar short on this comment but probably regional. Where are you from? I’m from VA so the white man’s retelling of slavery, colonialism, revolutionary war and civil war was the bulk of my history education in school. So we definitely learned about Nat Turner. Meaning there was definitely two sentences about him mentioned maybe once every few years. But I know people in different regions of country have different history curriculums so some folks might not have heard his name at all.

              • miss t-lee

                I’m from TX. However, we weren’t taught about it in school. Only thing we learned about was we were slaves, we were freed, then Rosa Parks, then MLK. That was the gist.
                However, in church and other activities I was involved in we were taught Black history from a deeper perspective. Then, of course that made me wanna learn more so I dug in from there.

          • L8Comer

            LOL!! volumes tho? Ima get started. “Kas don’t know shyt, he also don’t know squat, Kas is uninformed on … “

            • Kas

              I think we define putting respek on my name differently.

              • L8Comer

                lolol, but this is how I love and respect Kas.

                • Blueberry01

                  Me too! He’s the homie in my head.

                  I wonder if he has a Black, kinda hood, California accent, too. (I live how they say, “there”, “player”, and “party”.)

                  • L8Comer

                    lol, ask him!

                    • Blueberry01

                      Lol. Ok.

              • Lmao

        • Mochasister

          I have heard of him, but only because I had read about him on my own. The schools that I attended basically had a rotation on lessons on the same Black notables that THEY (wypipo) felt comfortable with:Dr. King, Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, etc. No way in h e double hockey sticks were they going to teach about a Black man overpowering white people in the middle of the night and slitting their throats. Even centuries later Nat Turner manages to have wypipo shook.

          • miss t-lee

            Yeah. I didn’t learn about him in school. Segment happened upon.it reading on my own.

          • LMNOP

            This is why I think Black history is one of those subjects you need to supplement at home. I was trying to do like a “summer school” unit on the Black Panthers, it didn’t come together for this summer, but I still want to do it. Not only is there so much you probably won’t learn at school, So much of what you don’t learn is so important.

            • L8Comer

              I like that idea

          • juss.sayin

            Audre Lorde is a woman :)

            • Mochasister

              Yes, I know. I was responding to missee t-lee’s comment about how people could go this far in life (school?) and never have heard about Native Turner.

              • juss.sayin

                Oh, I see now, apologies. Crazy how many people didn’t learn about him in school. I did in 3rd grade.. but maybe that’s just bc I did the Black History Bee. He should be on the curriculum somewhere if he’s not.

          • Blueberry01

            I hear you, Mo. Real talk, I learned all of my black history in undergrad.

        • Erica Nicole Griffin

          When I was a kid my mom introduced me to a colleague named after him. I was so impressed. My mom was impressed that I was impressed. We all we got and we do an okay job at educating about our people.

          • miss t-lee

            Wow. That’s cool.

          • juss.sayin

            Is there a male version of Audre Lorde or something?

    • Cheech

      True, but how often is it a major motion picture in first run theaters with awards buzz? This coulda been a contender. I sure was looking forward to it.

      • miss t-lee

        It’s not unheard of…lol
        Oh well.

    • And given the fact NO VIOLENCE IS SHOWN AGAINST WHITES..he can kiss my entire ayus, with his RAPEY wack ayus.

      • miss t-lee

        it’s not?
        OH BOO.

        and yes…he can kiss the fattest part of my mine.

      • Kas

        I’ve read that isn’t true, but have not seen the movie myself.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah…that isn’t true. There are multiple scenes depicting violence against white people. I cannot believe that got traction…how you gonna do a movie about Nat Turner and not portray violence against white people?

          • I have friends who have pre-screened it and they don’t know each other.. all 4 said the same thing.

            • Anonymous

              What? They wanted to see some white people have their heads chopped off? They thought they were going to see Saw or a Django Unchained?

              • I mean if you talk about a revolt against slave masters, you show carnage.. the story is what it is… and not seeing the brutality is no different than any other slave narrative. *shrugs*

                • LegallyClueless

                  I’ve seen the movie, there’s literally a scene with a black man HOLDING a white man’s head…after he chopped it off…I’m not sure what your friends expected to see.

                  • Anonymous

                    People have jumped the shark with their criticism of this film. Criticize Nate Parker. Great. But the film is excellent.

                    I just read an article in the New Yorker wherein a writer called it a “companion piece” to Django. I was like, “this is what it sounds like when you sell your Black soul.” lolol Then this piece referring to the female characters as “paper thin.” That was just…whoa. If the female characters in this movie are THAT flat, I have never seen a movie from this period wherein the Black female characters are round at all.

                  • Again revolt.. one head. Meh

                • i think that perhaps that meant it wasn’t enough. they spent maybe 10 minutes max on the whole revolt portion of it all. there was definitely violence. we saw a slave master get his head chopped off.

            • eyecande

              I’ve seen it. Violence against White people was definitely depicted. Maybe there was a specific way in which they wanted to see it portrayed? Idk

              • Well imagine… a slave revolt…don’t infer nada… light them up… give me a REVOLT not revolt lite.
                Show white women and children being murdered…as it happened…

                Don’t make it cute.

                • Mochasister

                  I couldn’t agree more. It happened. Don’t sugarcoat it. All of these horror slasher movies get made with Freddy, Michael Myers, and theTexas Chainsaw Massacre, but an illiterate 19th century Black man killing wypipo is too much.

                  • Blueberry01

                    Facts.

                • Blueberry01

                  So, basically D’Jango Unchained level of brutality?

          • Mochasister

            I was about to say.

      • SororSalsa

        The fact that he felt the need to include a rape in the move that didn’t actually happen and was in no way necessary to the story, in light of his own rape allegations, just has me SMH.

        • Let’s NOT go there!!!

        • ManOfTheYear1738

          I am not on the side of Nate Parker. I do not support or agree with rape in any way shape or form. However, isn’t it kind of careless to assume that there were no rapes that took place during slavery. I know the “story” might not speak of a specific rape incident, but it isn’t completely farfetched.

          I just don’t want you to be so disgusted at this news piece that you
          completely forget what kind of conditions slaves lived in. Rape was probably included in the film to further highlight the atrocities of the time.

          • SororSalsa

            Where did I say that rapes during slavery didn’t occur??? I’m talking about this particular story. Does everything that ever happened to slaves have to appear in every slave story? What I said was in reference to Nate Parker (and in conjunction, his co-defendant who has a writing credit on this movie). This movie is based on a true story, and the rape did not happen in real life in this particular instance. And why two men who were accused of rape felt the need to insert it into the narrative is worrisome to me, but that’s just my $.02.

          • Jaz Taylor

            The problem is, the rape is depicted as the catalyst that started the revolution. That’s false. A sign from God in the sky (I.e. Mount Helen irrupting) was the catalyst. It makes Nate Parker look like even more of an asshole for including it. There was literally no reason.

        • KilljoyRabb

          He literally created a wife for Nat Turner just to have her raped. I fucking CAN’T…

      • Mochasister

        Wait a minute. He doesn’t show violence against whites? Why not? That’s an integral part of the story. I don’t have cable so I have not seen him in any videos. But just from what I’ve read, his whole stance on what he did is very troubling.

      • lol

        NO VIOLENCE IS SHOWN AGAINST WHITES.

        thats your problem with this movie black bill ayers?

        • My problem is if you’re hyping kneegrows to see this “epic true story”…make it fukking true. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6d62f084cba2c800c09568ffad683e9bfc29526acf171cb0873229d6bcc8c9a8.jpg

          • Miklonis

            Amen to this! I don’t get why every history lesson-movie Nate is associated with embellishes the truth and changes the story in UNNECESSARY ways. The Great Debaters–I hate it because the black school DID NOT BEAT HARVARD in real life. They beat USC, which is still a great achievement, BUT NOT FRIGGIN’ HARVARD! I was devastated when I found out the truth, and we have some lazy individuals who will only watch the movie about a historical event and NOT DO THE RESEARCH. Knowing this, the biopics need to be as accurate as possible.

            He’s gone full delusional, thinks he’s some martyr who has a call on his life to deliver this movie, and that supersedes the wrong he has done in his life. He said he was “found innocent.” GUESS WHAT? NO ONE IS FOUND “INNOCENT;” YOU GET FOUND NOT GUILTY, which just means there was not enough evidence to find you guilty by a reasonable doubt–FAR FROM INNOCENT. He dodged a bullet and isn’t humble enough to own it and apologize and stop defending the indefensible.

      • justtwo post

        Are you serious?!?!

      • there is violence against whites. i didnt know he created the part about having a wife.

    • Cleojonz

      Exactly! I don’t feel like I need to give him any of my coins, I’ll watch a documentary. There is another project in the works on this subject matter by ironically another Nathan.

    • Objection

      The way folks are acting about this movie you’d think Parker is Nat Turner.

      The way folks are acting about this not guilty verdict, you’d think the Prosecutors across America doesn’t have a success rate of 95% against black men and women in criminal trials.

      I guess the criminal justice system only works if the Prosecutors get 100% conviction rate.

      • miss t-lee

        2+2 = potato

      • theghost917

        right, we cry, beg, and plead for justice. we get it and somehow we’re still guilty.

        who ever wrote this is the real fuck boy

        • Objection

          I don’t mind being called a fuck boy. As Ice Cube said, “Tryin’ to fuck me, but I’d rather fuck you.” I’m not losing sleep over O.J. and Nate Parker

    • Your Mama

      AMEN! i look at it this way, he was found “not guilty” based on a technicality, not b/c he didn’t actually run a train on an unconscious woman without her consent. But the way i see black folks argue his innocence is reminiscent to how white folks defended Zimmerman’s “innocence”. *eye roll* further, he went on with his life and when the lady tried to appeal, he and his boy (producer on this film, I believe) lead a slander and bullying campaign where the lady either dropped the appeal or didn’t show up. She later committed suicide for due to the trauma, according to those closest to her. This info has been out there in the public, but got more attention as Parker became more popular with this film being the pinnacle of his popularity.

      nate went on to marry his white wife and have some little girls, wherein this rape case was made more relevant, he half-as$ed apologized on the grounds that since he has a wife and daughters of his own he could kind of understand.. as if humanity and respectability and NOT raping women wasn’t a priority to him before that.. now he’s not even sorry and has the nerve to sound perturbed about the whole thing.

      Nate is NOT Nat, Nat was actually honorable and NATE isn’t getting my little black female coins.. the end.

      • miss t-lee

        *daps*

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