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Still Black: 7 Things I Learned While Watching CNN’s Black In America 2

black-in-americaI’d love to venture deep into my soul to discuss how deeply moved I was by CNN’s Black in America 2 presentation, but much like the first one, it just wasn’t that deep.  In fact, I didn’t even expect it to be.  It’s CNN.  I only watched it because I know people expected me to watch it because people expected me to say something about it.

I do this for my culture.

And just in case you weren’t sure, we’re still Black.  Same sh*t, different toilet.

Anyway, despite it not really being anything more than a surface level look at the fact there are indeed Black people in America (who knew?) who do different things, I still managed to learn some things from this special.

Buckle up Susie.

1)  Apparently, most of us are still stuck in quite craptastic circumstances.

Okay, I didn’t really learn that from the special.  I mean it was broadcast front and center, but still, I been done knewed that.  Still worth mentioning in case you just so happened to have done forgot that.

2)  Malaak Compton-Rock looks much better than I remember

Including me and my girl, there were 4 other people at my house watching the special and everybody, save one person, was shocked by how much better she looks than we’d remembered.  Of course, I also noted that her profile is quite froggy.  Take that as you want.

3)  Apparently there are still a lot of Black men with waves in their head.

I was never one of those guys who could get the waves and was always jealous of those chumps people.  Ole boy who run’s the Capitol Prep school in Connecticut (his name escapes me), well, his waves were on like 100 percent TCB meets Duke status.  Quite impressed was I.

4)  Very well to-do Black people are very protective of their circle.

It’s an almost defensive, we’ve earned this spot so step up gangsta, stance.  But don’t think you’re gettin in here.  I don’t have a problem with this on its face, I’m just not part of the club and probably never will be.  Though I guess you are probably forced to defend your status to other people who haven’t quite made it.  Crabs in the barrel I suppose.

5)  I also don’t care to hear the problems that wealthy people have, black, brown, yellow, or Haitian..

That might be an unpopular stance as I realize everybody has problems, it’s hard for me to feel bad for anybody whose sole problem is actually caring what somebody else says.  I’m broke and I pretty much give two sh*ts what most people have to say about me.  Then again, when you’re worried about paying bills, other folks problems with you seem a little less than important.

6)  Getting into college can be a very emotional moment for some people.

Much like many other people like me, I took getting into college for granted.  I mean hell, for me it wasn’t ‘will I get into college?’, it was which college won’t I get accepted to and where am I going.  It was a very privileged standpoint I was in.  To see the young lady from CT cry at getting accepted into a college I’d never heard of was kind of humbling for me.  Just one of those things I realize it’s easy to take for granted when I didn’t have to struggle for my whole life.  That was a moment I was pretty glad to have seen: somebody who’s been through hell finally see some light at the other end.

7)  Despite being exactly who’s apart of the group, I’ll never be apart of the upper-echelon Black America circle (piggybacking off of number 4).

Save being Greek, I’m the type of guy who’d be in the Jack and Jill’s and would be apart of the book Our Kind of People (one of the most eye opening books of my life, then again, I never even heard of Jack & Jill, Boule, Links, etc until I got to college), except I never will be because until I got to college, nobody I knew was apart of that world.  It’s a weird feeling realizing that en entire Black population of people just like you exists…without you.  Very weird dichotomy.

Those are just a few of the observations I made while watching BiA2.  I mostly saw the second half since during the first half, me and two of my boys got into a very loud debate about whether or not Michael Jackson was really the greatest entertainer of all time.  And much like the news of the past 3 weeks, Michael Jackson trumps all.

And yes, he is.

Anyway, good citizens of VSB, what did you learn, if anything, from watching Black in America 2 with Soledad O’Brien, perhaps the whitest Black woman in history?

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka TANGLE JIG P aka GIIIIIIIIIIIIRL, HE A 3

Damon Young

Panama Jackson is a co-founder of VSB and co-author of Your Degrees Won't Keep You Warm At Night: The Very Smart Brothas Guide to Dating, Mating, and Fighting Crime. He believes the children are our future and is waiting to find out if he is the 2nd most interesting man in the world.

  • Gemmie’s Got A Tan

    hmmmm… lemme see….

    wait… i almost had it….

    i know there had to have been something i learned….

    oh well. maybe it’ll come to me after i sleep on it. nite nite!!!

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      @Gemmie’s Got A Tan,

      “maybe it’ll come to me after i sleep on it”

      ***filed under “statements that the champ would have prefaced with “no homo” if he uttered them sometime between 1999 and 2001″***

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      @Gemmie’s Got A Tan, girl you know you learned something, even if it was that Black men still use Duke and rock wave caps to sleep religiously.

      • Gemmie’s Got A Tan

        @Panama Jackson,

        i actually see lots of brothas in pgh that do. so… it wasn’t anything new, ya dig??

        • http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic BLUNTBLAZER

          @Gemmie’s Got A Tan,
          4real west coast too not so much in the summer but yea niggs still stay with the brush in tha back pocket

          • Gemmie’s Got A Tan

            @BLUNTBLAZER,

            LOL whenever i’m home in cali and a guy friend picks me up in his car, i always gotta watch out as to not sit on his damn brush!

  • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Thuggie Luvvie

    Only saw last segment of Black in America and Iunno bout y’all but I dug it. That was super positive. Don’t know what the rest of it was like though.

    But question. Does MLT seem like another Black elite club (like Jack & Jill) or can us reg’lah folks get our feet in that door?

    • http://lizburr.com Liz

      @Thuggie Luvvie, Most people in MLT already come from good colleges with good grades. Regular Black folks CAN go to good colleges and get good grades (me, for example), but typically what type of Black person usually does? ….The elite ones.

      One of my friends from MLT said it best to me: “Keep in mind they let in people like [them] who probably don’t need MLT & reject others who do, so MLT can keep their averages high.”

      • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Thuggie Luvvie

        @Liz,

        ““Keep in mind they let in people like [them] who probably don’t need MLT & reject others who do, so MLT can keep their averages high.”

        And THIS is what I’m asking. If MLT folks are the ones whose parents could probably get them the same connects as being an MLT alum would, then what about the rest of us who did go to good colleges and got good grades but don’t have any top connections?

        • http://lizburr.com Liz

          @Thuggie Luvvie, I don’t know, I still think MLT is merit based just as I believe the elite school admissions are merit based. I think MLT exists to whip young professional kids into shape to compete at very tough business schools (notice in the segments they talked about Kellogg, Stern, harvard, uChicago and they were all people in their mid-20s.)

          At the end of the day it’s STILL hard to get into the elite b school’s as a black person, wherever you come from (rich or poor). Furthermore, the higher up you move in any industry, the more likely you will 1) be discriminated against and 2) need affirmative action programs. Due to this, I think programs like MLT can help you keep a competitive edge.

          • http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic BLUNTBLAZER

            @Liz,
            mlt? jack n jill? i guess i got kicked out before those classes

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      @Thuggie Luvvie, the last segment was positive. except it still highlighted the fact that everybody ain’t going to make it, even if you do have the “credentials”.

      hell, i went to school with some of the most well-t0-do Black folks in America and i still don’t know about half of the sh*t these folks are talking about. AND I LIVE IN DC, HOME OF THE BOUGIE NEGRO. politics, power, and black people are around me 24/7 and like brandon st. randy, i personally know a gang of the ninjas that were shown in varying shots of the tuxedo ball…

      …yet, how come i’ve never even heard of it?

      access is a motherf*cker.

      • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Thuggie Luvvie

        @Panama Jackson,

        “access is a motherf*cker”

        A T-shirt I’d rock

        • SouthernGirl

          @Thuggie Luvvie,

          with cute heels and big silver hoops.

      • MizzDustNoffDaHatahzSince96Hall

        @Panama Jackson,

        “…yet, how come i’ve never even heard of it? ”
        Maybe you have to be listed in the Green Book to receive an invitation.

        oh and…

        **side-eye for the “bougie negro” statement…Hater**

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          @MizzDustNoffDaHatahzSince96Hall, side-eye deez.

          but yeah, i find it telling that i cavort with everybody who’d be at that function (i work with all the low-income, powerful Black professionals in DC…lol), and i’d never even heard of it.

          that just ain’t me i guess. and in some sense, i’m kind of happy about that.

  • Selah

    Uhmmm… I learned that I don’t like Soledad much as a reporter… her segment of the show upset me… it was more “poor” in america as opposed to “black” in america… kudos to Perry, tho.. the 2nd half of the show was good.

    Oh, I also learned that lil kids living in poverty have blackberrys. Which confuses me. I didn’t even have one til last year. And I’m grownish. And not living in poverty. LOL

    • http://lizburr.com Liz

      @Selah, Soledad igs me too. Did you know she’s part Black? I had NO idea. She often speaks from a perspective as if she isn’t.

      • Selah

        @Liz, is she? Coulda fooled me. Oh wait. She did fool me. lol But really, she had me feeling some kind of way *shrugs*

      • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com blackberry molasses

        @Liz, her NAME igs me.

        “Soledad O’Brien” is just all kinds of mismatched nomenclature. It clangs in my ears

        **channels Smeagol** It hurtses ussss!

      • miss t-lee

        @Liz,
        about Soledad
        To quote the great Willie D of the Geto Boys…”you still a n*gga”

      • http://stickwithyocat.blogspot.com/ V.E.G.

        @Liz,

        I think Soledad often speaks from a perspective of someone who is part black but who is often mistaken for someone who is not, if that makes sense.

        She has never denied her black side. Given her multi-ethnic background, I doubt she was raised in a ‘typical’ black environment. And I think, because of her ethnic ambiguity, she has been privy to some racial commentary that white folks try not to make public.

        • Gemmie’s Got A Tan

          @V.E.G.,

          yeah, i def agree with you Veggie. just becuz Soledad doesn’t LOOK black or was raised in a stereotypical black environment, to me (another mixtie), doesn’t mean she isn’t in touch with her black (or even latino) side.

          i know quite a few ppl who work in broadcast and journalism who have had nothing but good things to say about Ms. O’Brien and that she has always been well connected in black (and “hispanic”) orgs for journalists. the fact that she is actively involved in such groups says a lot to me about how she views herself.

          • http://stickwithyocat.blogspot.com/ V.E.G.

            @Gemmie’s Got A Tan,

            I agree. I have a lot of respect for her. She could have denied a lot about her background. But she embraces it even when folks don’t voluntarily give her her black/Latina card.

          • http://lizburr.com Liz

            @Gemmie’s Got A Tan, I don’t think people are disputing her Blackness. I’m not even claiming she’s not “Black enough.” My problem with Soledad is her REPORTING (not even how she is on her personal time) comes across like she’s a white woman on Safari who is just discovering Black-kind for the first time. Literally her narration is what annoys me. Soledad we know you are Black too, why this Christopher Columbus tone in your voice?

          • http://www.hanselman.com/blog/CategoryView.aspx?category=Africa Scott Hanselman

            @Gemmie’s Got A Tan,

            I agree with Liz…she nails it. *Hi Liz*

            I have a problem with Soledad’s Reporting. The fact that she is mixed and elite from birth is what it is. You don’t choose your parents.

            But during the Africa segment it was like she was one of these “poor-folks tours.” Folks with money like to take vacations to places without money then give away some money so they feel better. I appreciate what Malaak is trying to do opening kids eyes up, but do they need to *focus* on the shanties in Soweto? I’ve been to Soweto, I’ve lived in South Africa (my wife’s family is there and we stay with them for a month each year) and there is a Black Middle Class in Africa that in underrepresented in the media. Rather than taking those kids to buy pencils for a lucky few, why not introduce the kids to some folks who’ve come up in Soweto and accomplished something. Show them that it’s possible. Don’t just take them on a tour of ‘look how some folks got it worse than you.’

            I gotta say, as someone whose been deep into African culture for a decade (I’m white) I’ve just about had it with the simplistic few that America (White *and* Black folks) have about Africa. It ain’t a country, people. Not everyone lives in a shack. Diversity wasn’t represented in that segment.

          • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com BlackBerry Molasses

            @Scott Hanselman,

            I love what you said. Thank you.

    • miss t-lee

      @Selah,
      “Oh, I also learned that lil kids living in poverty have blackberrys. Which confuses me. I didn’t even have one til last year. And I’m grownish. And not living in poverty. LOL”

      Hell, I don’t have one now….lmao

      • Complex Simplicity

        @miss t-lee, Co-sign! Where do “poor” people get money to buy Blackberries? I work everyday, and I STILL don’t have a black berry.

        • miss t-lee

          @Complex Simplicity,
          Hahah!!!
          I got a few cousins who don’t even work and got much nicer ish than I have. I ask myself daily WTF am I doing wrong. :)

          • Gemmie’s Got A Tan

            @miss t-lee,

            lmao you and me both!! i mean, i am living just above the poverty line as a grad student (which my dad points out to me regularly). there’s got to be an easier way to make the pennies i’m earning.

        • Ivy St.

          @Complex Simplicity,
          “Where do “poor” people get money to buy Blackberries?”
          ON that note, one of the women in S. Africa had a tv screen bigger than mine. I want to know where or how she got such a big tv.

          • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Thuggie Luvvie

            @Ivy St.,

            “ON that note, one of the women in S. Africa had a tv screen bigger than mine. I want to know where or how she got such a big tv.”

            Yea cuz u kno how Africans cant possibly have a place to get big screen TVs since ain’t no BestBuy’s in the Sub-Sahara. o_O GOH w/ that.

            JBSKFSF

          • http://stickwithyocat.blogspot.com/ V.E.G.

            @Ivy St.,

            “I want to know where or how she got such a big tv.”

            When I was in Kenya, my friend’s family had not one, not two, but THREE big screen plasma tv’s in their seven bedroom house.

            Not every body in Africa is living in a hut, hon.

            No offense, but comments like this are one of the reasons there is tension between Black Americans and black folk from the rest of the diaspora (and, honestly, America and the rest of the world)…we constantly show how much we don’t know.

          • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Thuggie Luvvie

            @VEG,

            “No offense, but comments like this are one of the reasons there is tension between Black Americans and black folk from the rest of the diaspora (and, honestly, America and the rest of the world)…we constantly show how much we don’t know.”

            Thank u. File it under “Things that piss Luvvie off quick”. When educated Black folks are asking “Where did a South African Woman get a big tv from?”, how do we expect white folks to realize we DON’T all live in shacks and have lions in our backyards?

          • http://stickwithyocat.blogspot.com/ V.E.G.

            @Thuggie Luvvie,

            You are Nigerian. WE ALL KNOW there is no wildlife there. lol.

            Tulia, simba!

          • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Thuggie Luvvie

            @VEG,

            Well, seems we don’t ALL know. Folks still hold barbaric & archaic assumptions about African countries, developed or not.

            Oh, and thats Nala to you

          • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/180085824_30b0d1c4d1.jpg overit

            @Ivy St., I want to know where or how she got such a big tv.

            http://www.einnews.com/southern-africa/newsfeed-southern-africa-business

            I don’t expect folks to know or even drop terms like import/export or GDP, but I do think common sense and looking outside worn out generalities is important. South Africa is one of the most developed countries in Africa with a thriving telecommunications system, are you kidding me??

            If anyone is confused as to how Africans have access to tvs and such, please peruse the above link at your leisure, and get to know your play cousins and how they really live. its not all Keep A Child Alive and genocides.

            This is why I said it’s important to know a world outside our own borders, especially people of color.

          • Ivy St.

            @VEG and Thuggie Luvvie,
            Both of you should RELAX. Maybe I worded my comment wrong. Let me rephrase, ” WHY is a woman with a large tv seen as poor or needing of extra aid?!?!” Maybe what she needs is to reorganize her priorities. I wasn’t asking where so much(UM DUH)! I didn’t think Best Buy ONLY existed down the street from me. I think it’s sad that you both jumped on my comment the way you did, suggesting some already festering internal conflicts.
            As for the tension between African black and American blacks, I feel like all of your replies to my comment, cause it. I’ve had more than a few Africans tell me that American blacks are lazy and I get the feelings a lot (NOT ALL, relax) of Africans come here and think they are better.
            Take how you want.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            yeah, seeing a 40 inch flat screen in the living room of the fam that couldnt afford school uniforms was a bit jarring.

          • http://stickwithyocat.blogspot.com/ V.E.G.

            @Ivy St.,

            If I need to relax, you would best be served by getting a clue.

            And, in case you were confused, I AM a black American. But I am also a child of the world (no hippie) who has stepped outside of the pictures painted for us so that I can see how others around the world live. I suggest you do the same. Northwest has great deals on flights.

            Nice try at trying to rally all the black Americans with the default “oh yea…Africans think they are better” response.

            Let’s be real: most people from other countries have a poor opinion of Americans. That said, I have several friends from around the world and, once you have a meaningful conversation with them, you realize they are no different from you and they definitely don’t think they are better than you.

            I suggest an expansion of your social network. Perhaps you would have benefited from the trip with Malaak and the kids. The more you know, the more you grow.

          • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Thuggie Luvvie

            @Ivy St.,

            So many things wrong w/ this statement so I will do it in bullet points:

            1. You can’t be serious. YOUR original statement of “ON that note, one of the women in S. Africa had a tv screen bigger than mine. I want to know where or how she got such a big tv.” did NOT include all the analyzing that you’re doing now so please don’t act like someone put words in your mouth. Your comment was 1 sentence and ur “explanation” was 15. WOMP.

            b. You projecting our replies to you in disagreement as “festering internal conflicts” is a bit of a leap ain’t it?

            Oh and VEG is American so what disconnect is SHE causing?

            Yeah. Your SADDOWN gift basket will be delivered shortly. With a “Visit the place before you spew nonsense” body lotion.

          • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com BlackBerry Molasses

            @V.E.G.,
            I’m chippin in on the crepes Luvvie is getting for you.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            personally i think all of y’all need jesus, a two-piece from popeyes and some jamba juice.

            there have been much worse comments (and actually given the context of the woman with the big screen TV the comment made total sense) that didn’t garner so near a freakin’ response.

            ivy st. i dont even feel like you worded it wrong. i feel like it hit a soft spot.

            no diss luvvie, cuz you know i love you like a fat kid loves falafel, but this sounds like isaac hayes snuffin’ out south park b/c they went at scientology when he played along when they took shots at other people because it was close to home.

            hell in this same comment thread it was commented how them lil poor ninjas get sidekicks or blackberries. how come no sourpuss over that comment?

            clearly folks who otherwise wouldnt seem to possess such technology did indeed, possess it.

            i think they all got it like i did…the la riots.

          • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Thuggie Luvvie

            @Panama.

            I could ALWAYS go for some Popeye’s.

            And 2. Ivy’s comment was the only one without context. Errone else wondered how po folks got sidekicks. SHE wondered how an African woman got a big TV. There’s a difference.

            But like I said below, iQuit. Have a good day & may your yella skint not get sunburned in the DC heat.

          • SouthernGirl

            *being messy*

            @Ivy St., PJ,

            oooooooooooooooooh…you got served!

            ….and she forgot ‘cho biscuit.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            @Southerngirl, serve deez.

            and Luvvie, i feel you. i’m all about peace and not war.

            especially since i’m such a damn G. i dont play fair. i step on ants. i smuch crickets.

            i even took out a praying mantis once…hope she prayed for salvation!

            p-unit.

            (btw, p-unit sounds like a urinal)

          • http://www.sistersoundoff.blogspot.com Cheekie

            @Panama,

            “i even took out a praying mantis once…hope she prayed for salvation!”

            *gasp*

            How you gon’ kill a PRAYING MANTIS? It is a gentle and wise creature. And it was PRAYING.

            *throat punch*

            Now I (double-dog) DARE you to say, “throat punch deez” because it shant be pretty.

          • http://cookinwitgrease.wordpress.com Chas

            @Ivy St.,

            umm….i missed spotting the big screen tv…but if it was in the house where they couldn’t afford the uniforms and school supplies, that as well as the kid with the BB/sidekick or whatever gets a side-eye from me.

            anyone who can’t “can’t afford” essential items but can somehow attain the unessential, regardless of what continent they live on, seems off to me.

            @V.E.G. ,
            and tho your african friends may not believe they are better than you, i’ve had discussions with africans and haitians whose parents do feel that way. that’s just my experience tho.

            im mad i missed all this today. damn job and responsibilities and sh*t.

      • BlkBond

        @miss t-lee,

        I’m gonna need you to step your phone game up. iphone? How ELSE are we gonna be able to watch youtube videos of the Black Olympics, white girls & Gucci Mane, and share the Mp3 of Gucci Mane’s ghetto smash “Photoshoot”.

        AYE!

        Bond. BlkBond

        • miss t-lee

          @BlkBond,
          *sniggling*
          I can always count on you to come through with the ridiculous! :)
          Me and AT&T had a fight about 2 years ago, so I’m boycotting. Unless I get a ‘unlocked’ version of a iphone…it’s not happening.

          AYE!!!

          • http://nianaturally.blogspot.com N.I.A. naturally

            @miss t-lee,

            girl, i thought my fight with AT&T was over until I saw my credit report still said I owed those bamas money…money i paid a year ago… i want an iPhone, but I’m waiting for Verizon to make that happen.

          • miss t-lee

            @ N.I.A. naturally ,
            I told them to go ahead and charge that early termination fee to the game.
            Punks.

        • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/180085824_30b0d1c4d1.jpg overit

          @BlkBond, lmao at the AYE! you always crack me up.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      @Selah,

      Oh, I also learned that lil kids living in poverty have blackberrys.

      lol, that actually wasn’t a blackberry. it was a sidekick lx

      • Selah

        @The Champ,

        well shut my mouth and call me corn pone! Looked like a storm to me. Maybe I should just step my phone game up. lol

        • http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic BLUNTBLAZER

          @Selah,
          dnt trip i jus got a cam phone last year ima caveman and fuq geico lol

          • Selah

            @BLUNTBLAZER,

            LOL! the sad thing is, I have a Blackberry – the world biz edition. You’d think I’d be able to spot another one.

            (oh and the edition I have doesnt even have a camera on it. lol)

    • Ivy St.

      @Selah,
      I agree the second part was the best. I like to see black people doing well. I already knew there were poor blacks every where in the world. It is uplifting and inspirational to see blacks that are out there succeeding and making it to the top. For some,once they make it to the top, they find a way to give back.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      @Selah, it was a sidekick.

      but let’s be real. them kids live in the hood. you can get anything you want in the hood at a discount. heck, when i was running the club, we used to have folks stop by selling us computers (real ones, not crackhead computers), phones, some dude bought a car, and i like lamp.

      if its one the thing hood isn’t short on, its comeups and technology is definitely the area where come-ups thrive.

      i know people who have entire DVD collections of screeners.

      • Selah

        @Panama Jackson,

        i know what you’re talmbout. I just feel like his mom’s priorities are kinda out of order, IMHO. it being at a discount still means she, or whoever, still had to spend something on it… and as Soledad was oft to point out, they didn’t have much money in the first place.

        • Gemmie’s Got A Tan

          @Selah,

          true that. and you dont have to pay for a lot of technology gadgets after you buy them. if you want that sidekick/blackberry/iphone to work, you gotta continuously pay a phone bill (and unless you got boost mobile or cricket you gon be payin quite a bit)

      • http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic BLUNTBLAZER

        @Panama Jackson,
        I saw a a guy get car jacked at a stop sign pulled right outa his drop top stang and that car got sold 4 times before sundown real shiiii erytime i saw it, it was missin more an more shi

        • Selah

          @BLUNTBLAZER,

          you need more people. lol

          • http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic BLUNTBLAZER

            @Selah,
            you want phone #’s, addresses, emails ? i got witnesses

          • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com blackberry molasses

            @Selah,

            yeah, he can start with the standing army of the People’s Republic of China.. and he may need the armies of Ottoman Empire.

          • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/180085824_30b0d1c4d1.jpg overit

            @Selah, i don’t feel he does. i really believe everything he says, lol.

  • http://lizburr.com Liz

    NEGRO YOU ARE NOT BROKE! Quit frontin!!

    I only bring this up to say–mo money mo problems. don’t count the affluent as not broke becasue they have assets. I think everyone can work on the spending management for the income they earn.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      @Liz, though every can work on money management, i’m still living paycheck to paycheck.

      i was doing that when i didn’t have a well-paying job.

      and i’m not throwing money away.

      i guess my main point is that life’s a b*tch and then you die…

      • http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic BLUNTBLAZER

        @Panama Jackson,
        paycheck to paycheck dam bruh bruh i feel ya
        am i a hater cause i hate on people that got shii like tha “Luniz” said “broke ninjas make the best crooks ya best look ova ya shoulder if you a high roller”

      • http://lizburr.com Liz

        @Panama Jackson, right, but whose to say rich folks aint living paycheck to paycheck too? theyjust hve bigger expenses. I still don’t think you are what most people consider as broke. Yes there are pleny of white americans who are living paycheck to paycheck but in most people’s minds they are not broke, living on govt assistance.

        • http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic BLUNTBLAZER

          @Liz,
          i cant get govt assistance and ima single dad that cant get child support cost of livin in cali is crazy sect 8 list is 15 yrs long affordable housin aint affordable an shii

    • http://www.sistersoundoff.blogspot.com Cheekie

      @Liz,

      “NEGRO YOU ARE NOT BROKE! Quit frontin!!”

      I love how…in a lot of circles, being BROKE is frontin’. It’s so real. You will get side-eyed real quick in some circles if you talk about your condo and not your parent’s basement.

  • shay_d_lady

    I just wanna say “booo” to all the peeps on the we owe it to ourselves to watch Black in America 2 especially with all the “coonery” on tv.. umm how exactly did the special combat that?
    I dont know, i mean at the end of the day we see the struggles of the lower class, and the uppityness of the upper class. but plain ole regular folks like me? halfway between here and there, who meet at the intersection of stereotypes?
    I dont ever see that.. I mean I guess it was a better attempt but like fat Luffa’s jerri curl…it just didnt quite go all the way over…

    • shay_d_lady

      @shay_d_lady, hit send to soon

      but overall it was okay..

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @shay_d_lady,

        are you talking about the curl or the special, or both?

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      @shay_d_lady, I dont know, i mean at the end of the day we see the struggles of the lower class, and the uppityness of the upper class. but plain ole regular folks like me? halfway between here and there, who meet at the intersection of stereotypes?

      i kind of wonder if any news story is really ready to address this. i mean what do you do when the population looks like the rest of mainstream america? where’s the story to them.

      they’re are black people who are like white people? heavens no. its a much easier story to focus on the extremes b/c people expect those. though i’d guess that quite a few white folks were surprised to see the lady (carlotta myles, i think) with familyspanning generations with grad degrees and old money, etc.

      on a totally unrelated note, i’m listening to After 7 right now…”heat of the moment”

      when’s the last time ANYBODY pulled out an after 7 album?

    • BlkBond

      @shay_d_lady,

      The Single Black Female living in Atlanta was a realistic portrayal of the middle. I think her segment was misplaced though–they could have spoke about her experiences as a Black Female in a traditionally male dominated field, they could have spoken about how her ambition affects her social life, etc. Showing her attending MLT was misused time and focus that could have otherwise been more productive and enlightening.

      Bond.

      • Gemmie’s Got A Tan

        @BlkBond,

        i completely agree!!! well said. i was mentioning this very thing to my homegirl. i thought the MLT segment was a snoozer and thought all the good material about Ms Mia was misplaced and ignored. i mean, i’m glad girlfriend is following her dreams and goals in life, but how did she get to where she is today to be able to have the luxury to up and quit her nice paying stable job (when many americans are being laid off) that bought her house and car and will help pay for her MBA??

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @BlkBond,

        they could have spoke about her experiences as a Black Female in a traditionally male dominated field, they could have spoken about how her ambition affects her social life, etc. Showing her attending MLT was misused time and focus that could have otherwise been more productive and enlightening.

        i agree. i think the cnn specials overall have had good content but bad angles. their hearts are in the right places, but their brains arent

        • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Sula

          @The Champ,

          their hearts are in the right places, but their brains arent

          Lmbao!

  • http://lizburr.com Liz

    BTW, Steve Perry was the name of that fine specimen of a man who had the deep waves. LOL.

    I need him cloned. You know, for the betterment of education in America. yeah…

    *fans self*

    • JamaicanGirl

      @Liz, Yes Steve Perry is a handsome man and he’s educated. I will be on the waiting list behind you for his clone.

      Only for for the betterment of education in America though…..

    • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/180085824_30b0d1c4d1.jpg overit
      • http://lizburr.com Liz

        @overit, LOL! thanks for the heads up!

      • devessel

        @overit,

        Please tell PrettyBoySteve that even MySpace pages need to be edited properly, for the betterment, of course! To wit:
        “Steve Perry is a phenominal author and high school principal. He founded the Captial Prepatory Magnet School in Hartford, CT, which sends 100% of all its students to various colleges every year. Recently, Steve has stirred the murkey waters of the Black Community through his best selling and controversial book entitled, “Man UP, Nobodys Coming to Save Us.”
        (really? for real?) *chuckle*

      • http://www.hanselman.com/blog/CategoryView.aspx?category=Africa Scott Hanselman

        @overit,

        Wow, I’m actually a little disappointed that Steve Perry has a MySpace page. I thought he was focused on being a Principal and not on self-promotion. I’m not sure what to think about that…I guess someone can do both, but still. Does he want to be a pundit or a principal? Is it about the kids or the cred?

    • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/180085824_30b0d1c4d1.jpg overit

      @Liz, BTW, Steve Perry was the name of that fine specimen of a man who had the deep waves. LOL

      beyonce’s line from the destiny child song “soldier” popped in my head: “low cut ceasars with the deep waaaaaaaaaaaaves(deep waaves), so quick to snatch up your beyonceeeeee( beyonceeee)”

      and on that note, i ‘m going to bed.

      • SouthernGirl

        @overit, lolol.

        lawd, good gawd how shamed was i* for the thoughts that ran through my head once the next segment showed that man was married with two kids? *sigh*

        *not very

        • K to the…

          @SouthernGirl,

          love the footnote

    • devessel

      @Liz,

      word.

    • http://www.twitter.com/circa1908 Intellectual Hedonist

      @Liz, EWWWW! Lizzie, just EWWWWWWW!!

      I went to undergrad with him, he was a Yerk!!! yes I said it… he probably still is, not hating, he was just not a nice person.

      Im sure he is doing good works and all, and he wouldnt be into you, in part because of your Greek Affiliation (hes anti greek)

      • http://lizburr.com Liz

        @Intellectual Hedonist, LOLOL. I figured he would be a jerk actually. lightskinned, dont think ur sh*t tinks, etc etc.

        and the antigreeks can go kick rocks.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @Intellectual Hedonist,

        I went to undergrad with him, he was a Yerk!!! yes I said it… he probably still is, not hating, he was just not a nice person.

        you know, i got a bit of a russell simmons vibe from him: basically, a gaping asshole that does really good things.

        • http://lizburr.com Liz

          @The Champ, I don’t get that from Russy. I just get gaping asshole….who likes to make money.

      • http://cookinwitgrease.wordpress.com Chas

        @Intellectual Hedonist,

        sadly enough, when i saw him…i knew it was too good to be true….seemed too perfect.

        i instantly jumped to oh he must be gay/a woman beater/cheating on his wife/a B.A.N….etc etc.

        am i the only one?

    • Craven

      @Liz,

      Not trying to hate on my man Steve, but I could smell the texturizer in his hair through the TV screen.

    • http://hunnybeezhive.blogspot.com Beez

      @Liz,

      mmph! Black male educators are what’s hot in the streets right now. Not those superfluous dudes, but the ones who wake up at ungawdly hours to take chirrens to school, and become Uncle Ruckus (janitor, bus driver, coach, lunchlady) for a day and don’t complain about it. All in the name of making someone’s future better.

  • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com blackberry molasses

    That was tonight? *yawn*
    Sorry.. I watched Revenge of the Sith for the eleventy-billionth time… and fell asleep.

    Don’t you dare call my Black Card on the carpet. I’m an originator of this ish you call Blackness. Yeah. I said it.

    BWAH! G’nite!

    (can you tell I’ve had 3 glasses of wine? wine sleep is some of the most peaceful sleep EVAH!)

    • shay_d_lady

      @blackberry molasses, girl your black card is in no danger.. I mean the special was good, but I think umm if you black in America, it failed to provide any new insight into the life.. but it was cool…

      • Ivy St.

        @shay_d_lady,
        “it failed to provide any new insight into the life.”
        I agree. I was going to change the channel to watch something else and the person I was watching it tried to get an attitude. I felt they thought I wasn’t into my “blackness” because I wanted to watch something else.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          @Ivy St., you know, quite honestly, the only reason i watched it is b/c of what i said. i felt obligated to do so b/c i feel like i have to write about it as a “pop culture” style blogger.

          i really wanted to watch Alf.

          • Ivy St.

            @Panama Jackson,
            I wanted to watch Real World Cancun. LOL!

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            @Panama Jackson,

            quite honestly, the only reason i watched it is b/c of what i said. i felt obligated to do so b/c i feel like i have to write about it as a “pop culture” style blogger.

            me too, actually. i really just wanted to have sex.

    • http://chubbyafro.com T. Troy Stewart

      @blackberry molasses, I watched TORCHWOOD: CHILDREN OF EARTH Day 3 and flipped over during commercials. I get the same feeling about BIA that I do when I watch that self-congradulatory authentic frontier gibberish of a forum that Tavis Smiley puts on on C-SPAN every year, as if they’re just there to put on airs.

    • Gemmie’s Got A Tan

      @blackberry molasses,

      i didnt feel watching BiA2 was necessary to gain insight or learn something new (a la Peej’s post). but i watch it to see what kind of thing’s CNN is highlighting that 2520 folk might be watching. i do feel an obligation to see what is being said about being “Black in America”. becuz if they miss the mark, they should know about it from me. i’m not afraid to write a letter*…

      *which may not change much but at least my opinion has been voiced elsewhere besides fb, twitter, and vsb

  • GEELA

    I will never understand groups like Jack and Jill. And just like you I never heard of groups like that until I got into college either. Nor did I know anybody associated with such groups. I don’t understand why only “privileged African Americans” can participate in these groups. They also turn down single mothers which urks me to no end! It would probably do some inner city kids a world of good to experience another side of black culture that they wouldn’t be exposed to otherwise. But because of their economic status they are denied and looked down upon. SMH

    They might as well deny 65 black kids the right to swim at a pool

    But back to the question… I learned that its BIA2 and CNN is still serving us some lukewarm material.

    • http://lizburr.com Liz

      @GEELA, I think Jack and Jill exists so Black people in them can network and find and marry into other Black families like them. To an extent it’s elitist, but to a different extent it’s not much different from the olden days of marrying/socializing within your economic status, ie so many other cultures do this as well, but in different ways (arranged marriages, marrying within your religion or race). Does this mean it’s “right”? I’m not sure, but I think to a degree I understand.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        @Liz, i don’t knock their existence. bc of going to morehouse/spelman, i know a GANG of folks that were in jack and jill. and they’re by and large a cool set of folks. i do think though, that its intended goal is to make sure that elites have access to other elites in order to maintain that elite circle, and i suppose that’s no different than what happens in white America. it just seems SO odd in Black America b/c it’s almost like elite Black are a secret society who want to make sure that nobody else gets into the club.

        i guess i feel like if it were possible, some of those individuals (and usually the older generations probably) would only deal with folks of their class or whatever and never take a look back and the rest of us. which gets back to, we made it, why can’t you?

        i tend to think thats what causes problems in the black community. not even from a sellout standpoint, but when some of us do happen to make it, we view it as the rule and fail to acknowledge what it took to get us there and start to view ourselves as above the fray.

        i dont know how wrong or right that is, either. i guess the rules of capitalism require there to be haves and have-nots so perhaps its just par the course for life.

        either way, i like lamp.

      • http://stickwithyocat.blogspot.com/ V.E.G.

        @Liz,

        I agree with you on this, Liz. While Jack and Jill may be elitist and I can’t say that it is “right” I understand how it started and why it keeps going: black folks want to be around others like them: educated, etc. It is no different from the Creole enclaves and debutante balls and paper bag tests that ran rampant in New Orleans at one point. Folks wanted to ensure they could keep the ‘elite’ going and, to do that, you had to marry someone with a background like yours.

    • http://stuffghettopeoplelike.wordpress.com Stuff Ghetto People Like

      @GEELA,

      They also turn down single mothers which urks me to no end!

      Seems quite obvious who they want to paint a certain portrait to….and the two numbers are multiples of five.

      • http://lizburr.com Liz

        @Stuff Ghetto People Like, You think the J&J do this to appeal to white people? i think they do it to preserve themselves and their circle, especially these days. I doubt white people, of all people, even KNOW (or care) about J&J. i think J&J folks do it for J&J folks and that’s it. You might can argue they do it to throw shade at other Blacks, but for the purposes of being assimilationist, I don’t buy it.

    • miss t-lee

      @GEELA,
      I had never heard of Jack & Jill until I read Our Kind Of People.
      I know they have chapters round here, it’s just we aren’t the kind of folks who would even be bothered with that.

      • Humble_One

        @miss t-lee,

        I found out about Jack and Jill in middle school. There is a similar group here called Tots and Teens. The average black folks don’t even know these groups exist. They had parties and everything. If you weren’t in that circle then you wouldn’t know.

        • miss t-lee

          @Humble_One,
          Hmmmm…I haven’t heard of that group either.
          *finger on chin*

          • Lil’T

            @miss t-lee,

            I had a J&J group come for a tour we were giving of a historical site recently. I was clowing them, of course, but one of the other black folks working the event put it to me this way (after she punched me in the leg with her man-handed self): she grew up in VA in an area where she very rarely saw black kids who were also middle class. J&J really did help unite the “only ones” so that they didn’t feel so alone in their bouginess. I, however, grew up in PG County, where there is a thriving Black middle to upper-middle class (despite what you hear from, oh, everyone who doesn’t live or step foot here). No need to go hunting for “people like us”. So, while I find them to be pretty pretentious (cuz the folks usually are) I can almost see the necessity.

          • miss t-lee

            @ Lil’T ,
            I mean…I guess I can understand why groups like this exist. I grew up in a mostly Hispanic town, my high school only had 50 or so Black kids outta 1500 students. 7 of us in our graduating class.
            The whole city is mostly middle class with a few upper class folks thrown in.
            I get the Jack& Jill aspect, I just wasn’t aware of it until I was grown. Even if I was aware, I’m sure we wouldn’t have been considered. :)

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      @GEELA,

      welcome and sh*t

    • SouthernGirl

      @GEELA,

      *dusts off the welcome wagon*

      *rummages around. finds nearly empty bag of gold stars*

      welcome!!!

      *shooting gold stars*

      • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com blackberry molasses

        @SouthernGirl,

        yay for you resurrecting the welcome wagon. **ponders getting her Diva Dust ™ Action goin’ again**

        @GEELA

        Welcome!!

        **Diva Dust ™ Original Formula**

    • Gemmie’s Got A Tan

      @GEELA,

      It would probably do some inner city kids a world of good to experience another side of black culture that they wouldn’t be exposed to otherwise. But because of their economic status they are denied and looked down upon.

      this is exactly why my mom would have no parts of J&J or other “bourgie” groups. and she wanted me to have no parts of it, though i had the opportunities to.

      i thought my mom was going to keep over into a grave when i told her i wanted to be a debutante for one of the sorority’s in the area. elitist or not, i loved gettin dolled up in my gown (read: wedding dress) for the ball — we had a great time!!

    • MaiTai

      @GEELA, As a graduate of Jack & Jill, I have never heard of them denying single mothers, my mom being one of them. Shoot, I think we had 1 or 2 folks who were on public assistance in our chapter. In Fairfield County, Connecticut no less. But I have heard of other chapters in other states having terrible practices, so I could see where you could get that perception.Anywho, much like when mostly black folks used to show up to race related discussions at my college, I thought the special was very much a “preaching to the choir” thing. I do appreciate that there was much more positivity than the last one, which made me want to just go back to Africa like Nas in “Belly.” Seeing people who offered solutions such as the (fine ass) principal in Hartford, was encouraging.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @MaiTai,

        welcome and sh*t

  • http://www.digitalfangirl.com/ Naomi

    After being thoroughly disgusted and disappointed with Black in America Part One, I could not bring myself to tune into part 2 and apparently I missed nothing. I most certainly did not feel compelled or obligated to watch this program just because I’m black. I think the first program was poorly done and wasn’t really made for us black folks. I hated it almost as much as I hate BET, but that’s neither here nor there. I’m still trying to figure what the purpose and goal of Black in America is and who it’s really geared towards? Can anyone help me out on that?

    • shay_d_lady

      @Naomi, I’m still trying to figure what the purpose and goal of Black in America is and who it’s really geared toward…
      my thoughts exactly

    • http://lizburr.com Liz

      @Naomi, I thought the first one definitely was for white people. I think some segments of Black America may have learned something new about other Black Americans (good or bad) in Part 2. While I feel confident they didn’t touch upon anything I personally didn’t know about already, I definitely think and know some people I am related to or friends with had no idea some of the things reported on existed.

      I’m really interested in tomorrow’s report on Blacks and healthcare/science research. Definitely something I think gets overlooked.

      • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com blackberry molasses

        @Liz,
        Blacks in healthcare/research science? and they didn’t interview me?? HMPH! **crosses arms in the huffiest of huffs*

        I really need to go to bed. I’m just getting stoopid now.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      @Naomi,

      I’m still trying to figure what the purpose and goal of Black in America is and who it’s really geared towards?

      to shed light on some issues going on in the black community…for white people.

      • http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic BLUNTBLAZER

        @The Champ,
        ooooooooooooo now i get it

      • http://www.sistersoundoff.blogspot.com Cheekie

        @The Champ,

        “to shed light on some issues going on in the black community…for white people.”

        Yup, exactly.

        Too bad that light is shining on nothing.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      @Naomi, I’m still trying to figure what the purpose and goal of Black in America is and who it’s really geared towards? Can anyone help me out on that?

      i keep asking myself this question even though i know its pretty much for white people. i keep trying to find a deeper purpose, but really, i think its an opportunity for cnn to pat itself on the back for doing something to shed light on the black community…and also to give soledad an opportunity to remind people that she’s black since it’s so easy to forget or never know in the first place.

    • Right Her

      @Naomi,

      I’m still trying to figure what the purpose and goal of Black in America is and who it’s really geared towards? Can anyone help me out on that?

      According to CNN leadership, the purpose of Part 1 was to “start a converstaion.” Part 2 was supposed to be about solutions. But I didn’t really get that from watching.
      BTW, the EP of BIA is a white man. So that may answer some questions.

    • BlkBond

      @Naomi,

      Black Bond approves this message; however, I did see the second half once I received a text about the school in connecticut with a 100% college admission rate. Truly impressive, I got choked up.

      Bond.

      • http://www.twitter.com/circa1908 Intellectual Hedonist

        @BlkBond, its easy to have a graduation rate of 100% when you only have like 40 students…just keeping it real

        • SouthernGirl

          @Intellectual Hedonist, they had 40 slots open for next year, not total students. there are around 250 students all together, i believe. and even if it was 40 students, based on the stats they mentioned about CT, that would still be 40 kids who might not have gone previously, right? *shrug*

          • BlkBond

            @SouthernGirl,

            Thx. I didn’t feel like pointing this out. Any activity that involves others resulting in a 100% success rate should be lauded.

            Bond.

        • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Sula

          @Intellectual Hedonist,

          But that’s what EVERY school in America should strive for. Small numbers and higher rate of admission in college… What good is education if a major part gets left out?

    • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Sula

      @Naomi,

      I’m still trying to figure what the purpose and goal of Black in America is and who it’s really geared towards? Can anyone help me out on that?

      That’s my main question. Is it Soledad working on her own personal project of discovery? Because I really don’t get it.

  • http://presidentialtelevisionandfilm.ning.com Monk

    I ain’t even watch it, I got shyt to do. Only God can judge me, who the f*ck is you?

    I just felt like saying that. Did they talk about how hip hop and BET is destroying the Black community? If not, all praise due to CNN.

    • Selah

      @Monk,

      LOL! .. i’m SO stealing that line.

      • http://presidentialtelevisionandfilm.ning.com Monk

        @Selah,

        I can’t even take credit for that line. It comes from the Rhythmic American Poet Jay Jenkins also known as Young Jeezy as he explains why he’s not going to court.

        He raps, “Why, he keep sayin’ ‘Yeeaahhh’? I don’t even know / I got court tomorrow, I don’t need to go / I don’t even show, I got sh*t to do / Only God can judge me, who the f*ck is you…”

        • Selah

          @Monk,

          “Rhythmic American Poet Jay Jenkins also known as Young Jeezy”

          i cackled at this. Somehow I think my life is better now that I know this information. :)

    • charli skipper

      @Monk,
      Only God can judge me, who the f*ck is you?

      ugh! this hilarious, ignorant mess right here…lol. i need to work this into my sparkling breakfast conversation tomorrow.

    • BlkBond

      @Monk,

      Yeeeaaaaaah! (jeezy voice)

      Bond.

      • http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic BLUNTBLAZER

        @BlkBond,
        yeaaaaaaaaah *in gucci’s voice*