Featured, Race & Politics, Theory & Essay

Steve Stephens Is at Fault for Robert Godwin Sr.’s Death. He and He Alone. Not Joy Lane or Anybody Else. Stop That Shit.

I don’t remember the first time I heard the phrase “toxic masculinity” but it has stuck with me ever since. It’s not a hard concept to define or understand. Effectively, and simply, it’s a label placed on actions and behaviors attributable to “manhood” that are destructive, often violent, and naturally come with extremely negative consequences toward both men AND women.

By now, everybody is familiar with the story of Steve Stephens. He is the murderer from Cleveland (though his current whereabouts aren’t known) who brazenly killed Robert Godwin Sr., a man doing nothing more than walking home after Easter dinner. Stephens, while filming the entire thing on Facebook Live, approached Godwin, asked him to say the name of his ex-girlfriend, Joy Lane, and then blamed her for the act of murder he then committed.

Let me be very clear upfront: It is not Joy Lane’s fault.

Say that again: It is not Joy Lane’s fault.

In fact, let’s all sing that together – IT IS NOT JOY LANE’S FAULT.

It is not Stephens’ mother’s fault. It is not any Black woman’s fault that this monster committed such an act, ever. He acted on his own choices of his own volition and did the unthinkable. It takes a sick individual to find blame in a person just because her name was uttered in connection to an immoral act. But it has happened.

I’m also not going to be so quick to jump on the he has mental health issues bandwagon. I’m no psychologist, armchair or otherwise, and neither are most people with opinions on his state of mind. Some people just have evil in them and those demons surface. I do believe that all of us, especially Black people, need to engage in more self-care, ensuring our ability to manage in a world that is very hostile to our livelihoods, spirit, and bodies. That is important. You can’t help anybody if you cannot help yourself. Stephens may very well be an unwell person, his actions indicate that as a possibility.

But really, he comes off as a man who snapped and had no idea how to deal with the rejections he faced for various reasons and as opposed to dealing with his own problems in a non-destructive fashion, he did the most cowardly, morally bankrupt, nihilistic, and sadistic thing he could do, became aggressively destructive, took a life, blamed it on a woman, and begged for attention while doing it by filming it live. I do not wish grace or mercy on Stephens. My heart has no room for a man who could do what he did.

Robert Godwin, Sr., God bless the dead, could have literally been ANY OF OUR grandparents who did NOTHING more than decide to go home at that time. There was no way to stop that crime from happening.  That’s what makes it the most heartbreaking; What could have been done? Once Stephens decided that somebody was going to die, the only obstacle was picking a person. He allegedly told his mother the day before that that particular visit was going to be the last time he saw her. Should his mother have called the police then? Maybe. But what could they have done? He hadn’t done anything wrong and unless he WAS a mentally unstable person and did something that the police COULD have legally stopped him for, and there is no indication that prior to this act there was anything on record to indicate as such, there would be no file or anything started.

Now, I’d be remiss if I didn’t acknowledge that it is entirely possible to live a life in a way in which nobody can tell that you are suffering. His FB live video implies as much, but this is where toxic masculinity comes in. As opposed to trying to find a way to deal with it, he decided that destruction and chaos were the only ways to address his problem. Now a family is out a patriarch, a community is shattered, and his is now a life lost as well.

I don’t care what happened between he and Joy Lane. The fact that he attempted to place the blame on any woman for his actions is asinine. What he did to Robert Godwin Sr. is irredeemable. Just like any time a man has taken the life of a woman or anybody due to rejection, and violence due to rejection is far too frequent to be silent about it. This shit has got to stop. We have to hold our brothers, fathers, friends, and really ANYBODY accountable to the destructive actions and behaviors that exist, even if they haven’t resulted in extreme circumstances. Our culture is one rooted in this type of patriarchal behavior for which there is entirely too much access to information explaining why its toxic. Knowing better to do better is ALWAYS a possibility. If you have the pre-meditated wherewithal to make such terrible decisions, the entire onus for them is on you, not the woman who broke your heart.

I expect that Steve Stephens will be probably be killed by police, if he doesn’t kill himself first. Any person who is willing to go to the lengths he has has probably already decided how this is going to end. I will be surprised if he’s captured and sent to prison where I imagine his actions would be lend themselves to the most unpleasant lifetime sentence of all time, should he even make it that long.

I felt horrible for Mr. Godwin and for the family for having to find out that your father was mercilessly gunned down by a maniac with a vendetta. Watching the news story was heart-breaking. I’m afraid we’ll get more outrageous stories like this, and more of our family members will pay the price for a societal lack of addressing issues like toxic masculinity that have such negative impacts on our community.

I’m praying for the family of Mr. Godwin in this trying time. Rest in power, sir,  and God bless the dead.

 

Panama Jackson

Panama Jackson is pretty fly (and gorgeous) for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. He refuses to eat cocaine chicken. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future. You can hit him on his hitter at panamadjackson@gmail.com.

  • cakes_and_pies

    People were side-eyeing Joy Lane’s statement because she didn’t straight up condemn.
    She has enough sense to know to NOT opening make disparaging remarks, because this muthafucka is still out there possibly looking for his next victim.

    Also, the Que’s response to Steve Stephens is just so tone deaf and offensive. Who ever runs their social media should be fired https://www.theblackloop.com/omega-psi-phi-steven-stephens/

    • Michelle is my First Lady

      The Que’s response was such a publicity stunt.

      • MsCee

        I read that and was like uhhmm whet? It had nothing to do with the situation AT ALL..we don’t give a dayum when y’all were founded. Tf

      • Valerie

        My dad is a Que, even he said that was a stupid statement.

    • panamajackson

      That is a remarkable statement from them. In a bad way. They kinda shoulda let that one sit for a minute and came back to it and edited.

      • miss t-lee

        That was remarkably bad.

    • IDontKnowAnyMore

      WOW. the Que’s response is appalling.

    • miss t-lee

      That was the response? For real? Oh wow.

      • cakes_and_pies

        A bot could have written a more thoughtful message than that.

        • miss t-lee

          Fa sho.

        • MsCee

          Yeah, they should have consulted Siri or something.

    • Darkchloe144

      They made this about them. Who the hayle cares if he’s Que, anyway?

    • PhlyyPhree

      I could be wrong, but I think that was just a “plug and play” letter.
      My mother and stepmother have to send those types of things on behalf of their orgs all the time. It doesn’t excuse the fact that they need to do better, BUT I think someone was in a rush to put out something, not realizing they grabbed the wrong template/needed to delete the second half of that letter. That’s pretty much just standard descriptors you find whenever they release anything.

      • cakes_and_pies

        It is, but that just makes it worse.

  • Robert Dotson

    Well said Fam.

  • miss t-lee

    Well, I’m glad folks are actually paying attention, and realizing that “toxic masculinity” is not just a buzzword that the “big bad feminists” came up with. Sh*t is real. Look at what happened last week at an elementary school.
    I avoided the video like the plague, so I had no idea he made his victim say her name before murdering him. Sickening. Can’t believe folks were sharing that video with reckless abandon yesterday. Ugh.
    Rest In Peace Mr. Godwin. You didn’t deserve that sh*t.

    • AlwaysPi7

      Just hearing about this was tragic enough, so very heartbreaking, God bless his soul. All I ever hear about fb live is murder or suicide.

      • miss t-lee

        Totally heartbreaking. Like I’d just gotten home spending the day with my Pops and my grandmother, and then to hear about that? Disgusting.
        Yeah, same here FB live is a cesspool as far as I’m concerned.

        • Val

          Yep. Facebook needs to call it a day and delete fb live. This is not the country for that. America is too violent.

          • miss t-lee

            Seriously. I’ve heard of a few kids killing themselves on live, and folks just watching. Like…this is where we’re at as a society?

            • NattyJammin’Inna

              I think that is where our devolution comes in. People will find other means of shocking scaring, if it can be called that, to their manifesto outs. Camera/smart phones seemingly are a part of the downfall of man.

              • miss t-lee

                Yeah…I agree.

              • Danasholt

                Managing director of Google!, is explaining to users to start off “Work at home” method, that People have been doing for about one year now. These days alone, I generated close to $36,000 until now with no more than my home computer as well as some spare time, despite that i have a fulltime 9 to 5 job. Even everyone not used to this, can make $89/per h easily and the earnings can go even higher over time… This is how i started
                !st104c:
                ??
                ??;?? http://GoogleFinancialCashJobs394MarketTripGetPaid$97/Hour ????????????????????????????????????????????????????::::::!st104c:….,….

            • esa

              watching snuff films have always been part of the underground. the difference now is, people can choose to star in them. the thing i find telling in this new development that is that people want their death witnessed.

              • miss t-lee

                True. I do remember it mostly being underground at one point. Now, it’s mainstream it seems.

                • esa

                  i think what has changed, is free distribution. people don’t have to deal with the black market any more. i am inclined to think more people would have watched it had they access.

                  secondly, the legal culpability of doing so has been removed. i dont doubt it was a bit more common than we have been lead to believe; people used to keep quiet. now they tell on themselves.

                  • miss t-lee

                    All facts.

              • Question

                But it’s gone mainstream.

                The act of glorifying ones own death doesn’t surprise me as for many it fulfills the desire for attention and awareness that they believe went unfulfilled during life. But the compulsion by larger swaths of society to view?? That’s strange to me.

                • esa

                  i find different perspectives helpful to getting a better sense of the bigger picture. suicide is such a personal matter that to make it so public is a curious new phenomenon. but i get it: once the seal is broken, pathology becomes normalized.

                  as to the compulsion of larger swaths, it doesnt surprise me at all. i’ve been entirely too overexposed to sociopathy. what i find very telling about the state of culture is the fact partaking in this new form of snuff film is not seen a criminal act.

                • mysstea

                  Note: I did NOT watch the video beyond what they showed on the news. That said, I don’t find it strange at all. People have always had a morbid curiosity. I think it may be a part of our natures. Think back to gladiator fights, public lynchings, people rubbernecking on the highway when there’s a car accident. It’s like it’s built into a large part of the human psyche the witness the tragic so that we can then say oh how awful…glad it’s not me or one of mine!
                  I think we can all agree that there is something ghoulish about people watching and/or sharing the video, but when put into that perspective, to my mind I get it.
                  That doesn’t, however, EXCUSE that behavior. At the base of us all is the animal and we SHOULD be able to overcome our base instincts. That, to me, is the root of the problem (maybe?): we don’t spend near enough time overcoming that base. Whether it’s toxic masculinity, an unhealthy fixation on tragedy, or just living a selfish life.

                  • Question

                    Good points all around…

                  • Lisawmorneau

                    Google is paying 97$ per hour! Work for few hours & have longer with friends and family! !sy61c:
                    On tuesday I got a great new Land Rover Range Rover from having earned $8752 this last four weeks.. Its the most-financialy rewarding I’ve had.. Follow this link for more information
                    !sy61c:
                    ??
                    ??;?? http://GoogleFinancialCashJobs351ShopIceGetPaid$97/Hour ????????????????????????????????????????????????????::::::!sy61c:….,…..

          • PriceIsRightHorns

            A teenager streamed his accidental suicide on Instagram live a few days ago. It’s out of hand.

            • Roz

              This hurt me when I read it. I have my issues for social media purging, and I’m so glad I didn’t have to “see’ this.

              • PriceIsRightHorns

                It’s very sad.

                This culture of let me get attention by any means necessary is toxic.

                • Roz

                  It’s because people are watching, and when the show is over, everyone moves on. I don’t know why this is triggering. Bah. I’m out yall, be easy.

                  • PriceIsRightHorns

                    I feel you. It’s sickening.

                • Question

                  I keep waiting for the pendulum to swing the other way but it hasn’t happened yet. Now I’m wondering if it ever will in my life time (and I’m in my 30s)…

                  • PriceIsRightHorns

                    I’m hopeful for change, but at times it’s difficult to remain optimistic.

          • Sometimes Facebook live is the only way to get unfiltered evidence though. It’s been helpful (somewhat) for black folks recently.

            • Val

              True but I’m not sure it needs to be live. Someone needs to vet what is streamed. A few weeks ago a rape was streamed live.

              • But who do you trust with censorship? Also, sadly, that video may help someone get justice in court. Is it too much to ask that we not view videos simply because they are available?

              • We as in humans. It feels like this is a discussion of how to work this technology around human evil. Sorry if that was unclear.

          • Phoebe Cohen

            Seriously, yeah. There’s no reason for facebook live to still be up.

        • “Yeah, same here FB live is a cesspool as far as I’m concerned.”

          It really is the pits. I’ve never watched a FB Live post simply because I don’t care to see what people are going to do for likes. It’s vain and toxic at the same time.

      • niksmit

        People live stream it crimes too: rape, theft. One of the recent stories I heard about was a rape and folk are trying to figure if/how to charge all the viewers who never did anything.

      • Jeanette Johnson

        Exactly! I don’t do FB live never have. Too many sickos on there doing murder and suicides. The authorities really need to shut it down. This is such a sad story.

    • Michelle is my First Lady

      I can’t believe folks were sharing and watching that video like it was pure entertainment. Sad.

      • miss t-lee

        That’s what society has come to, and it’s very sad.
        Like, I literally had to tell folks on my TL not to RT that video. Like…that shouldn’t be so.

        • Question

          It’s strange what qualifies as “entertainment” (defined as anything that captures people’s attention) these days.

          • miss t-lee

            Very strange.

          • JennyJazzhands

            Next it will be car crashes.

        • Junegirl627

          I mad and announcement to people that if I see it they were getting blocked and reported and any real or in person friendship will end with that post. My line in the sand has been drawn. I also promised to make sure to post the most disrespectful comment about who they are as a human for share before I reported and blocked them.

          • miss t-lee

            Sometimes you gotta do it.

      • Emily Harris

        I am glad I read enough ahead to be warned. I don’t want that stain on my psyche. Human atrocity is so unsettling to my spirit I can’t function for a while after witnessing it. In middle school I had to leave halfway through the Eyes on the Prize series after the showing of Emmett Till’s open casket. I was so disturbed by it I had nightmares.

    • Courtney Wheeler

      It just hurts my heart..plain and simple

      • miss t-lee

        Indeed.

    • Jazz G

      I was pissed at the news for showing the video. I don’t believe they showed the actual shooting but I wouldn’t know because I walked out the room.

      • miss t-lee

        Yeah, they started showing it last night and I never grabbed the remote so fast..

      • Simms~

        Same. I hadn’t heard about it before that (appears the people on my timeline have some sense about them after all) so this morning while getting my kid ready for school it came on the news. I was so upset since my 8 year old was within earshot of the television.

      • Ess Tee

        Ever since that moment almost two years ago when the news media put a blackout on airing the live killings of the news anchor and camera man, I’ve given a side eye to news stations that will air the killing of someone at the hands of police.

        It just brought into sharp relief who gets protected and whose death will get exploited and played on a loop.

        • esa

          legalizing and normalizing snuff films for profit and propaganda. they aint slick.

    • Mary Burrell

      And it’s sick too me people were watching that senseless savagery and nobody thought to call the authorities.

      • miss t-lee

        Indeed.
        FB is now trying to say it wasn’t live, but an uploaded video. They’re hitting that Prime Time backpeadal.

  • Michelle is my First Lady

    I will be the only one on the mental illness bandwagon then. I think so many people in our black and brown communities deal with rejection, strife, hurt, etc. and they are not given the tools on how to cope & deal with it. Don’t get me wrong, I will not make an excuse for what he did; however, I think these factors that lead up to why he went on a killing rampage. My heart goes out to the family & friends of Mr. Godwin. It is just a sad & heartbreaking situation all around. Also, if you haven’t already, don’t watch or share that horrendous video. Let’s do what we can to protect the family of Mr. Godwin.

    • miss t-lee

      I’m not. There’s folks out here living with wild stuff on the daily who don’t decide to go on murderous sprees. IDK. I think sometimes it’s just too easy to throw mental illness out there as the motive.
      Some folks are inherently evil. That’s all there is to it.

      • Alessandro De Medici

        There’s been a link in the media that’s been set up, where mass killings and mental illness are supposed to have a mutual relationship. But nah I’ve worked with the mentally ill and some who actually ended up being killers…one does not lead to the other.

        • miss t-lee

          I believe it.
          I think more folks who are struggling with mental illness are apt to take themselves out, before other people.

          • esa

            exactly. no matter how degraded the mind becomes, morality is a matter for the soul.

            • miss t-lee

              Yes.

      • Michelle is my First Lady

        And that is what’s interesting because you have folks that are completely fine one day and then suddenly snap the next. You just never know what is going on in people’s heads – whether it is demons, evil, or mental illness.

        • miss t-lee

          You never know.

        • grownandsexy2

          Are they really fine tho? Maybe they seem fine to the casual observer but aren’t.

      • MsCee

        The fact that I know people who’ve dealt with REAL truama, hayle, I myself haven’t lived a green life. I KNOW how it feels to hurt but I continue to seek help and deal and therefore I refuse to make excuses for those who choose to hurt others because they are hurting.

        • miss t-lee

          You and I are >here<.

      • NonyaB?

        This right here: “Some folks are inherently evil. That’s all there is to it.”

        If people saw stats on how often criminals hiding under the mental illness banner (to avoid jail) were found to be not sick, they’d get it. If it only affects a minority of population, then a criminal should be assumed evil, not mentally sick until proven otherwise. The tendency to ascribe mental illness to a wicked person’s actions without any proof or justification is too widespread.

        • miss t-lee

          Agreed.

    • Alessandro De Medici

      I always kind of take a step back and try not to express any kind of diagnosis on public people, but for all we know, this isn’t a product of mental illness, unless, you consider rage to be an act of mental illness. Based off what we currently know, the man went on a rampage, because of issues he was having with an ex.

      I mean we’re referring to him as mentally ill, because we can’t believe that someone would just randomly go on a killing spree, and it’s only people like serial killers or psychopaths that do such things. However, I think that we’re mostly projecting, because we don’t want to accept that evil sometimes, is nothing more than a choice, a choice some people choose to go through with:

      https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201406/serial-killer-myth-1-theyre-mentally-ill-or-evil-geniuses

      • Michelle is my First Lady

        I hear what you’re saying but I won’t rule that out. I understand some folks are pure evil but some of his posts were just off.

        • Alessandro De Medici

          How so?

      • esa

        ~ unless, you consider rage to be an act of mental illness

        rage can drive you out of your mind. if you’ve never been there, you’ve never known rage, which is not simply the heat of anger, but ongoing biochemical malfunction. there’s a reason mad means both angry as well as insane.

        ~ we don’t want to accept that evil sometimes, is nothing more than a choice

        i’m not one to suggest illness absolves people of responsibility for their actions. i’d love to know more about where the courts got this idea.

        • Alessandro De Medici

          Rage can drive you out of your mind, but that itself is not a mental illness. An illness doesn’t just happen in a split second, it is something that develops and is had over a period of time. The mind is complex and people do things that are beyond people comprehension, but simply being shocked or amazed at human behavior, does not have anything to do with an illness. Just because someone pukes from drinking too much or lifting too much, doesn’t mean that there’s a sickness in the liver or stomach.

          Also in courts, you have to be competent to stand trial, in other words, the only things that can be judged are things based on acts of free will, including ignorance. If a person does or acts upon something, that is outside of free will, a court by definition cannot say they are guilty of a crime. Since guilt presupposes responsibility.; it’s the same reason why laws, generally speaking, differ between adults and children. Without such barriers, you could use mental illness (even temporary) as a rationale to dodge any responsibility for a crime.

          • esa

            ~ Rage can drive you out of your mind, but that itself is not a mental illness.

            to clarify i was thinking that rage was the result of prolonged exposure to anger, disrupting normal brain function and creating really bad biochemical reactions that are deep rooted in neuro pathways. i have no viable knowledge or rage outside this framework.

            ~ Without such barriers, you could use mental illness (even temporary) as a rationale to dodge any responsibility for a crime.

            but people do. that’s a defense, though hard to prove. but what i am curious to know more about is the standard the law uses for mental illness.

            • Alessandro De Medici

              Nah, that’s not what rage is. Rage isn’t a medical or scientific term. Could all those things come about, maybe, but once again, it has to be proven, not just based of governmental law, but basic principles of science and inquiry.

              I’m not a big fan of the field of psychiatry, but at the very least, people are taught to be way more cautious about debating or talking about the nature of mental illness than the general population, for a good reason. It’s very easy for mental illness to be used as a form of rationalization.

              For the most part, like in medicine, a lot of the law is dependent on expertise opinion on mental illness. It sometimes is used as a defense, but there’s a reason why it’s difficult. Other expert opinions can be used against others.

              • esa

                ~ Rage isn’t a medical or scientific term.

                okay, what is the medical terminology here?

                ~ people are taught to be way more cautious about debating or talking about the nature of mental illness than the general population, for a good reason.

                but they rewrite their own criterion on a regular basis. their incompetence renders them complicit in this mess. that said, i’m not interested in debating mental illness, just trying to get a beat on the legal framework that allows use of a doctrine based on shifting definitions. being that i know so-called experts who testify at trials, and their credibility is highly suspect.

                ~ It’s very easy for mental illness to be used as a form of rationalization.

                rationalization is a form of cognitive dissonance.

                • Alessandro De Medici

                  Oh like I said, I could go off professional psychiatry for days, but still, their standards are way better than the general population, or what makes up pop psychology (because at least to some degree, they can be held accountable for their F-Ups.)

                  As for the legal aspect like I said, with most fields dealing with expertise, the courts usually rely on the opinions of experts. However, it’s not just enough to say that a psychiatrist say that a client has mental illness. They have to evaluate the person in question, show evidence in the past and the present, that gives justification for their diagnosis. And in the field of psychiatry, it’s already hard as is for multiple psychologists and psychiatrists to come to the same opinion on the mental illness of a patient in question.

                  • esa

                    ahh so we agree, to a large extent. was bound to happen again (smile)

                    but circling back: any insights on the medical terminology for rage (or like, what sections of the brain are used/impacted).

                    • Alessandro De Medici

                      Lol it’s called Intermittent explosive disorder.

                      I think one of the problems I have with the mental health issue, is how especially, in America, it’s wounded our ability to tell the difference between a human frailty (one of those things that come about as a negative side of human behavior and thus requires discipline to master) and an illness (something that comes about through sources that we do not directly have the ability to control or master.)

                      For instance take Narcissism (human frailty) vs. Narcissism Personality Disorder (the disease/illness). I’ve met few people who actually have ever heard of narcissism as just something that exists. They think that something must have gone terribly wrong for someone to be a narcissist. That they must have had brain damage, been spoiled rotten as a child, been abused etc. This creates a blindside in people, and also in how they view evil. They begin to think of evil and illness as being intricately connected.

                      Narcissism is something common in human history and in human beings for instance. It’s required to a certain degree to become a powerful person. Julius Caesar had it. There’s a story I remember reading about Caesar and how he wept at the statue of Alexander the Great, because at the age of 40, he felt that he accomplished so little as opposed to Alexander who had pretty much conquered the known world by the age of 30.

                      A lot of effed up things aren’t illnesses, but part of the human condition. Calling them illnesses or redefining them as illnesses to bring more power and influence to your industry (shoutout to the old school Freudians) doesn’t help them go away, and furthermore, do not display any form of sensitivity or benevolence.

                    • esa

                      I hear you ~ and I don’t disagree but my reality doesn’t give me the luxury of armchair analysis. I find the whole industry suspect but the only way out of heII is the way you came in.

                      I’m dealing with this on a practical, rather than abstract/theoretical level. Thanks for the tip.

                    • esa

                      okay so i read up on IED and i’m not talking about inappropriate responses to petty triggers.

                      i am talking about rage that is an appropriate response to decades of on-going abuse and malicious neglect. does the DSM IV or V address this ?

                    • Alessandro De Medici

                      Then you wouldn’t be looking for an illness then.

                    • esa

                      I’m dealing with damaged neuro pathways, disruptive biochemistry, and physiological trauma as a result of prolonged exposure to extreme stress and rage. if that is not illness, how would you define it ?

                    • Alessandro De Medici

                      That is probably an illness, but what you were asking about was about a psychological justification for behavior based off an illness, not an illness in and of itself. That’s why the DSM wouldn’t be able to answer your questions, since it’s more about symptoms and their relationship to a disease, as opposed to the cause and effect of a disorder or disease.

                    • esa

                      my bad. i was inadvertently conflating two unrelated things:

                      one, i would love info on non-IED rage, on a purely practical level.
                      two, i’m curious, on a philosophical level, about the intersection between law and psychology.

                      back to item one: does the DSM have anything useful on this? i

                    • Alessandro De Medici

                      I doubt you’ll find anything useful in the DSM on the topic. Especially since I think the whole IED thing is nothing more than the APA delving into the world of rationalization again.

                      http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2015/08/04/intermittent-explosive-disorder-the-illness-that-goes-on-growing/

                      Lol @ one of the comments, reminds me of my approach when I dealt with clients back in the day:
                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/de9cb00356f921021512a06c29387ed059ac87266ee453c36ab842e2771daf8c.png

                      That said, I still don’t think there’s any evidence that rage originating or influenced by mental illness is somehow different from rage that does not originate from mental illness. The problem lies in not having a firm understanding about what is known about the mind/brain and what is speculated…much of the field of psychology and psychiatry in my opinion, exploits the grey in the middle, for profit, power and the glory of expertise and credentialism.

                    • esa

                      ohh my wry smile ~*~

                      we are ~here~ on the industry. me all the more so since they’re the reason i gotta deal with ish. i suspected the DSM would prove useless; nevertheless i must press on.

                      i feel like i’m not clear. what is known about rage? i feel like you’re the best person to ask for a reliable source on this topic.

                    • Alessandro De Medici

                      Try mythology.

                    • esa

                      interesting. thanks ~*~

    • Mel

      Agree with you, in NYC last Labor Day, a young man murdered a young woman, a stranger to him because she asked him to stop touching her. Teach your sons that this isn’t acceptable behavior, that it’s not cute to force you attentions on someone who doesn’t want them, teach your daughters how to navigate this behavior as safely as possible. Woman/Girls don’t owe you a smile, their number, their time just because you demand it and Men/ boys don’t owe it to any one either. Let’s teach boundaries and respect from the cradle, it may keep someone out of an early grave.

    • Me

      I refuse to blanket any murderer with mental illness before a licensed professional does. I refuse to reduce an innocent person’s death to having the misfortune of walking near a mentally ill person. That man chose to kill, and then chose to run. Mental illness couldn’t be used if his rampage was him busting his ex’s windows in. It wouldn’t be used if he stalked his ex. It wouldn’t be used if he started robbing in her name. So I won’t use it in this instance. It’s not a get out of jail free card. Even mentally ill people can be held accountable for their actions.

      • Michelle is my First Lady

        Where did I say it was his get out of jail free card or that he should not be held accountable?

        • Me

          Jumping to mental illness as an excuse absolves this man of his deliberate actions. His therapist hasn’t stated such. He hasn’t been evaluated by a court appointed psychiatrist. Why is his agency being taken away without facts? For all anyone knows, he could’ve plotted this exit plan long before the breakup.

          • Michelle is my First Lady

            For the last time, I never said this man should get a get out of jail free card or should not be held accountable. This man needs to be held accountable for the life or lives that he took. No one deserves to be brutally murdered like that. At all. All I am simply saying we need to start having a conversation on why so many folks are snapping and randomly taking people out because of it. There are far too many cases like this way and we, as a society, need to figure out what is going on. Mental illness is not an excuse. It is a very real thing. Sadly, too many people are using that as an excuse so much that we can’t treat the people who are REALLY in need. All in all, we need to start having the conversation about it and start treating people because there are way too many people dying mercilessly at the hands of others.

            • Me

              Assuming he’s mentally ill is giving him a pass. What are you using to determine that he should be lumped in with folks that actually suffer from mental illness? Just the fact that he did something heinous in the wake of a breakup does not in itself point to mental illness. To jump to that conclusion is to absolve him of choices he made with sound mind, which I won’t do. Until a professional diagnoses him, lumping him in the conversation on mental health only minimizes the tragic death that occurred and places unwarranted sympathy on a murderer.

      • AKA The Sauce

        When you have seen it up close….you will understand. This reminds me of my father so I think he had a real issue.

        • Me

          But your father is not this guy. Mental illness runs in my family, and I’m not going to use them to explain what this man has done. Until a professional evaluation shows that he acted against his free will, I’m not going to assume or give him any benefit of doubt that his free will wasn’t fully in tact at the time of the murder.

          • AKA The Sauce

            I understand what you are saying. But what I am saying is I see certain similarities in what he said during his phone call. Unfortunately I was tagged so I saw the incident when it happend. I also had a chance to look at his page because I thought it was a practical joke someone was playing on me (it wasn’t). From what I read on his page and what I heard….it screams like a man holding on to a lot of past wrongs and this was the final straw. Maybe he just snapped but I think there was more. I’m not excusing him at all. When my father did what he did I held him accountable. I still think he should be in jail but that’s why we have lawyers. We like to turn our heads in the black community on MH and it needs to be acknowledged more. Just my thoughts.

            • Me

              I’m all for mental health in every community. I’m not for jumping to the assumption that this man had a mental illness just because he killed someone over heartache. We all have baggage and unresolved issues. Some more severe than others. That doesn’t mean we’re all mentally ill — even if at some point some of us do heinous things. I’m not willing to deny that someone had the free will to make other choices in situation like this. Especially not while he’s still on the run.

              • AKA The Sauce

                That’s fair….wait and see. Still don’t blame Joy

                • Me

                  I was shocked that Joy was even a topic (I don’t follow social media, so this article is the first I’ve heard she was). Like who even logically jumps to that as a serious thought in a situation like this??? Joy is a victim too. WTF people???

                  • AKA The Sauce

                    People suck. I week for humanity at this point. How people can blame her is beyond me. Her life will never be the same because of this. I don’t wish this on anyone.

            • Michelle is my First Lady

              You said it better than I could, OG.

    • niksmit

      Your caveat reminds me that I’m having trouble with the fact that too many people do not differentiate between a cause/reason and an excuse.

    • AKA The Sauce

      I’m on the bandwagon with you

    • NonyaB?

      There is a significant # of people who are (or can occasionally be) merely evil, not sick. If you consider the fact that mental sickness generally affects a minority of population, then you’ll see that it’s more likely that a criminal is wicked until proven otherwise via professional analysis from psychiatrists.

  • AKA The Sauce

    I’m just done with 2017…RIP to Mr. Goodwin.

    • Remember, we had this very discussion last week… This is so draining to deal with on a daily basis.

      • AKA The Sauce

        I just want a break, yo!

        • Zil Nabu

          Take care of you, whatever that requires. If you need a break, take it. Don’t let things in that further damage your soul.

    • Valerie

      I saw your post the other day as I was lurking. I’m sorry, I hope you’re doing better.

      • AKA The Sauce

        Thanks love…i’m doing better

        • Valerie

          That’s good. *hugs*

  • Val

    Last week that guy killed his ex and a kid at a school. This week this. I hope this trend stops now. It really is frightening to think that some folks react like this to the end of a relationship.

    • esa

      the tragedy is these are the only ones we are hearing about. the fact that this happens far more frequently is devastating.

    • And it’s so much more prevalent than a lot of people believe. My friend is a family therapist and she said she’s had no fewer than 10 female clients face near-death situations because they left/attempted to leave abusive men.

      And people love to ask “why did she stay?”

      BECAUSE IT MEANT SHE WOULD STAY ALIVE.

      • Roz

        I volunteered at a women shelter years ago, I no longer ask “why did she stay?”. The things women go through for literal fear of their lives? Smh.

        • Tuh. It wasn’t until I was in a situation where I “couldn’t” leave that I truly understood what it’s like to fear the person you love.

          • Roz

            I’m glad this is no longer your reality.

        • miss t-lee

          It’s literally a life or death situation.

        • Helga G.Pataki

          A woman is most at risk when she tries to leave and immediately after she has left bc abuse is centered on the control of someone else.

          • grownandsexy2

            That’s what I told a friend of mine. He was actually thinking of doing harm to a guy who was abusing a friend of his. Harm that would possibly mean that he would be a guest of the state. And this is a man who doesn’t have so much as a traffic ticket. He was willing to risk it. It ended with her staying with the guy and my friend said he was glad he didn’t do what he originally planned because she decided to stay. I told him, that leaving can be more dangerous than staying sometimes. A woman is in more danger when she leaves.

      • Epsilonicus

        In my line of work we find the most dangerous time for a woman is when she tries to leave. Most women who are killed in domestic violence situations have it happen when they try to leave.

      • Ess Tee

        They often say that one of the most vulnerable times for a woman in a domestic violence or intimate partner violence situation is immediately after she leaves. That’s what happened to the teacher in San Bernardino.

      • Diego Duarte

        This sh*t. Possessive men are the single most dangerous fucking species on the planet. They will go to any lengths to hunt down their SO, and when I use the word “hunt” I fucking mean it. I’ve seen men stalk other women not just through social media, but also follow them to their workplace and hang around, circling the building like fucking sharks. This just based on the suspicion that she was cheating on them.

        Violence, threats of violence on them and their loved ones. There are a myriad of reasons for women to stay in toxic relationships, because they rarely if ever have any options. And if you think the authorities will help, you’re entirely deluded. Most cops are male, and most male cops are the same kind of abusive, s3xist azzholes that entirely dismiss domestic violence. Which is why when one of these cases pops up you find out the guy had 10+ reports at the local Police Department.

        • MsCee

          My friends ex fiance literally would not stop popping up at her job. He cheated and she left, yet he still somehow felt as though she owed him a second chance.

          • Diego Duarte

            And the problem is that the minute she gets a restraining order the death threats will come. There need to be laws criminalizing stalking. No “three strikes” bull or any sort of thing. You stalk your ex, you get jail time. That simple.

            • grownandsexy2

              And if he doesn’t respect the law, that piece of paper means nothing.

          • grownandsexy2

            I had an ex like that. We were engaged, he cheated, and I ended it. I went in the service the following year and THREE YEARS after I broke it off, he started his shenanigans. That ended with me slicing ole boy across his neck.

            When my tour was finished, he actually got a job where I worked and hung outside my department, by the door adjacent to where I sat every day. Thankfully, I sat in the back where he couldn’t sneak me but if I went to the ladies’ room which was right outside that door, I’d go in there armed with scissors and a letter opener. lol.

            He found the street I lived on and commenced to knocking on neighbors’ doors to see where my house was. Stopped by one day while I was out, pretending to look for my brother who he was never close to. It was a ploy to see if I’d answer the door.
            I finally bumped into him one night. He apologized for all his BS and wanted to reconcile, but nah. I think I’ll pass on that one. My girlfriend and I often reminisce about that time and cackle. It wasn’t funny then and I consider myself extremely lucky.

            • MsCee

              So you had to actually cut his a s s. Lawd, he wouldn’t let go frfr. One of my coworkers is also dealing with a situation like yours. She broke up with a guy about 4 years ago and he’s started to email her and her family saying all kinds of crazy ish.

              • grownandsexy2

                Sho did. lol Got him good too. He was flirting with my girlfriend who was with me at the time to make me jealous. I ignored him, he yanked me off the step. So now I’m pissed cause I’m on the ground. I can still picture it. He had a yellow shirt on and after I played Jack the Ripper, it was yellow and red with his blood. lol. He eventually married my neighbor who he knocked up. He used to beat her like he was whipping on a dude. I saw her at a party after the divorce and she wanted to give him back. lol

                Some of these guys are a real mess. They eff up and get mad cause you break it off.

                • MsCee

                  Wow, the neighbor tho? I tried to warn my ex’s new girl…she didn’t take heed. Three years and a ruined life later she contacted me and apologized for not believing me and thinking I was just jealous. She told me he hit her in the eye with a wrench while she was holding her son and that’s what made her leave for good. Glad we are all survivors.

        • Sweet Potato Kai ?

          I had a ninja show upon my doorstep. He was never given the address?

          • Diego Duarte

            Wow, he doxxed you? I think there are a few websites where you can track someone’s address based on their name alone.

            • Sweet Potato Kai ?

              I dodged a bullet. Never again.

            • grownandsexy2

              There are plenty of sites where you can find out more than an address. You can find out their age, birth dates, relatives names and birth dates, how they’re related, where and when they attended college, etc. I know this because I have friends who ask me to track down folks for them periodically. Nothing nefarious of course, but the information is out there.

        • Zil Nabu

          This sounds eerily OJ-ish.

        • One summer in law school I interned with a domestic violence crisis center, helping women apply for restraining orders. I had one case where a woman had to file in a court two counties over because her abusive husband was a local judge. I had several crisis calls from women who refused to even apply for the PO, because their husbands were cops and they didn’t want them to lose their jobs because they weren’t allowed to work outside the home, and wouldn’t be able to feed their kids. I also did a PO for a woman whose abusive boyfriend kept calling her at work and following her, and she was afraid of losing her job because her boss said SHE was disrupting the workplace. DV situations are entirely f*cked up and yet, people don’t take it seriously.

          • Diego Duarte

            Curiously enough I did something similar for first law internship. Worked at the school’s pro bono facility for legal counsel. We offered council and legal representation to people who couldn’t afford a lawyer. About 99% of all cases involved child support and abusive husbands. The stories you hear make you sick. It really makes you feel impotent too because most of the time these people get away with it.

        • I have family in law enforcement, and they’ve told me some of the sickest people they’ve seen haven’t been criminals – it’s been the people they’re on the force with.

          • Diego Duarte

            Not to generalize or anything… or actually LET’S generalize, because fuck it.

            Most people who go into law enforcement love the idea of authority and control, which is why the pick that profession. They want a position of authority to exert control over others, to impose themselves. Which is why there is such a problem of rampant abusive use of force in the US, where cops are almost never held accountable. Which is why law enforcement tends to have far too many white supremacists among their number.

            The other side of the coin are those who go into the force to change things and serve their community. But they quickly become obfuscated and discouraged by the institutionalized abuse that exists within.

      • Gibbous

        Actually the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she decides to leave. That’s when she is most likely to be killed. While she is leaving or shortly thereafter.

    • AKA The Sauce

      Until men stop viewing women as property/trophies and start seeing them as partners in life…I think the trend continues. His ego was hurt and I’m guessing what she said about him was true. Why else would he take his anger out on another man? I don’t know what happened but a nerve was struck…a very explosive nerve.

      • Alessandro De Medici

        if dude had a mental illness or moreso a mental disorder, I’d guess it was NPD. If he had NPD, a nerve wouldn’t really need to be struck, as much as being exposed would have.

        • AKA The Sauce

          I do think he was ill….my father would do ish like this (seriously shot at random people in his neighborhood) because he felt like his wife was having an affair, the whole family laughing at him, and nobody cared about him. Then the VA stepped in and he got the meds/help he needed.

          • Alessandro De Medici

            I’m not saying that it’s not possible, just that I haven’t seen or heard enough about him to be able to say he was mentally ill. When I was learning about psychology back in the day, I learned, and have since internalized the caution, that mental illness has to be proven. Especially, when if an act or behavior can be done by people without mental illness.

            • AKA The Sauce

              He thought he was being picked on all his life….he was just over it. Dude needed to talk

              • Alessandro De Medici

                But the question I’d ask is how did that affect his day-to-day life, and what evidence did we see prior to the breakup to SO that would explain his behavior? Is this typical behavior we can expect of people who’ve suffered under similar circumstances?

                • AKA The Sauce

                  I can’t answer that. I can only speak for myself. I was a ticking timebomb before I sought help and I still struggle with how I react sometimes. You never know what someone is going through….he may have just had enough. When you feel like you have hit rock bottom and have nothing left…you think of some crazy ish.

    • I’m not surprised in the slightest. People ain’t got no sense when relationships end.

      • NattyJammin’Inna

        ‘I’ve invested so much..”

        • WORD.

          • NattyJammin’Inna

            A lady who was in undergrad with me died from that same reason. She had just gotten a scholarship to do her masters, actually was scheduled to leave the next day, when he her ex bf killed her and himself and tried to burn down the house they had built together. They had broken up, but because they had built together no one wanted to cut their losses and move on, so they co -existed ( a surprising high number of persons are doing that ish). Despite the fact that he was seeing other people, he couldn’t stand that she had moved on in more than one ways. So he killed her and set the house on fire and then killed himself.

            • MsCee

              Lissen, when I decided I was leaving my ex I literally graduated May 5 and packed up all my ish May 6. I didn’t want him to know I was leaving. I had an 11 month old, no job, no car, and $400 to my name. I left out townhouse, bills etc and said my life and my daughters life is worth more,,,fluck cutting some losses. GET OUT!

        • Ess Tee

          People really be holding on because they have “all these years.” Like, all these years where y’all barely hid contempt for each other and *maybe* had some bomb chex in between?

          • NattyJammin’Inna

            Remember there is a stigma about walking away, especially the older you get. A gf of mine is an advocate for settling especially once you are past 30.

            • Ess Tee

              And this is so unfortunate.

          • I remember back when I was doing the Borderline Personality Disorder support group heavy, and just being in utter shock that these people (men and women, gay and straight, legit wealthy and poor) hung around people with obvious abuse issues for 15, 20, 25 years. Part of the reason I ended up helping to run the place was that I figured out something wasn’t Right within 3 years, and people were amazed. I never got why people held on just to protect their ego. Like cut your loses and Move The Heck On.

            • Ess Tee

              The idea that they’ll be seen as “weak” or “not fighting for the relationship” keeps people in things for far longer than they should’ve been in it.

              • If that makes me weak, call me Mr. Glass. NOAP. I was just discussing this in a FB group for serious conversations. Given a choice between peace of mind and ego, I’ll take peace of mind every day and twice on Sundays. I’ll be that weakling who isn’t self-medicating or whipping tail, thank you very much!

            • MsCee

              The truth is, it doesn’t take long to see. Most of the time people are voluntarily blind. One thing about those red flags, they ALWAYS show themselves it’s just up to you to take action.

              • It’s one thing if you don’t necessarily have a support system to move on right then and there. Similar to what you did, a bit of planning is a Good Thing. Still, at least have a plan instead of waiting for the sweet by and by.

      • I end relationships left and right. With tact (most of the time). I can not allow myself to think that I must stay associated with someone just to stay alive. And trust me, I’ve had dating sotries (previously shared how I had to call the police on a second date). That’s a crazy fear I refuse to accept.

    • MsCee

      I thank God everyday that I had the means and support to move 5 hours away when I decided to end my abusive relationship for the last and final time. I pretty sure it’s the reason I’m still alive today.

  • Michelle is my First Lady

    FYI – possible Steve Stephen sighting in West Fairmount Park in Philly, That is what’s being reported on Fox29.

  • JennyJazzhands

    When I read the headline, “man commits murder because a black woman hurt him”, I was just… I mean…what?

  • Zil Nabu

    I didn’t watch the video because I will not watch someone lose their life for entertainment. However, I will say that situations like this are why I’m a very strong proponent of concealed carry. If Stephens had time to make the man say his ex’s name, then the man may have had time to defend himself if he too were armed.
    Rest in power Mr. Godwin and I pray for any form of comfort his family may find during this time.

    • Val

      First thing I thought was, do I need to start carrying my gun with me when I go out?

      • Zil Nabu

        One of the worst things the Democratic party has done to Black people is convincing us that we should make it harder for ourselves to exercise our 2nd Amendment rights. I could rant for hours on this one.

        • Val

          Sigh, Really with the Republican nonsense? And your Republicans folks are tone-deaf and owned by the gun industry. Democrats are calling for common sense gun laws. Republicans want a free-for-all with no restrictions on gun ownership.

          I want to be able to defend myself but one of the reasons I’m feeling like I need to carry a gun is because Republicans refuse to make it difficult for people who shouldn’t have guns to get them.

          • Valerie

            “Republicans refuse to make it difficult for people who shouldn’t have guns to get them.”
            Exactly, after all the stuff that has happened they refuse to do anything about it.

            • Zil Nabu

              But how do you take away someone’s Constitutional right without due process?

              • Valerie

                I NEVER said take it away. I said we need better gun control.

                • Zil Nabu

                  But prohibiting someone from purchasing a firearm without proof of a crime or dangerous intent is actually taking away their right without due process. If that’s not what you’re talking about then I’m misunderstanding.

                  • Valerie

                    You are. Not debating this any further.

          • Zil Nabu

            The “common sense” gun laws here in Chicago have done nothing to keep guns out of the hands of those who wish to use them to do harm. All the control here has done is create a high cost barrier to exercising one’s 2nd amendment right.

            • Val

              I know that is the Republican talking point but criminals getting guns and people like Stephens getting guns are two different issues.

              Deep background and mental health checks likely would stop a large percentage of domestic violence murders as well as spree mass killings by mentally unstable people.

            • Val

              Also, I want to add, the Second Amendment argument is highly debatable. Are we a militia?

              • Zil Nabu

                Depends on what you view as the dependent clause. But I will agree that it isn’t 100% clear. However, as it stands right now the right to keep and bear arms is necessary in order to have a well regulated militia. I believe in exercising each and every one of my rights as a citizen.

                • Val

                  What militia?

                  • Zil Nabu

                    If ever needed the people need to have the right to bear arms BEFORE there can be a militia. At least that’s what I believe the current judgement on the 2nd amendment is.

                    • ThePrestigeSeries

                      Based on that premise it can be argued that only people that are currently serving in the National/State Guards should be able to carry then. There is a difference between a militia and a bunch of people with guns.

                    • Zil Nabu

                      This is if you view the presence of the militia to be the dependent clause in the 2nd amendment. The Supreme Court has ruled that it is not.

                    • ThePrestigeSeries

                      Roger, but the ruling also allows for gun restrictions, which is needed. I would also like to say that all of this “maybe, mighta, or coulda” with a concealed carry in this situation is ridiculous. Concealed carry works best when there is space and distraction. If someone pulls over and points a gun at your head with the intent to kill; in the time it takes the average person to unholster, point and aim in defense…you’re dead. And, let’s be fair here, the victim was 74 so it would stand to reason his motor skills probably weren’t the most nimble. I am not saying that guns can’t be used to defend yourself, but in this instance it’s reaching.

        • Mel

          You have every right to carry a gun, but not every dope who wants one should HAVE one and that’s what Gun control is about. You need training and a license before you can drive, the same thing should happen PLUS a back ground check before you are allowed to carry a gun. Please don’t come with that.

          • Zil Nabu

            Driving is not a constitutional right. Keeping and bearing arms is. And many states already require licensing and training and background checks.

            • Mel

              Oh and they’re so good at it that most murders like this are committed with licensed guns. Everyone does NOT get to have a gun.

              • Zil Nabu

                That’s already the case. Everyone doesn’t get to have a gun. However, until due process (i.e. conviction or commitment) is complete the right to have one if one so chooses should not be taken away. That’s a very slippery slope and one I’m unwilling to go down. The absolute guarantee of safety is the death of liberty. Inherently liberty comes with risks. The hope is that when liberty is abused justice is served.

        • Valerie

          Not with you on this. Democrats are trying to figure out a way so psychos like this guy doesn’t get access to guns. What is so wrong about stricter restrictions such as background checks if it means we as innocent people are safer because of it?

          I do believe in concealed carry but I do believe it’s way too easy for people to get access to them. There needs to be more training and better background checks.

          • NattyJammin’Inna

            Didn’t 45 remove a restriction that prevents persons with mental illnesses from accessing and buying guns?

            • Valerie

              I’m not sure but knowing him I’m not surprised if he did.

            • Roz

              I believe he did.

            • Cheech

              Yup.

            • Not necessarily. The problem was the way it was written made it so that anyone who had mental illness to the point where they got disability got banned from gun ownership. Normally, there had to be an involuntary hold in your past to be banned, because those are subject to legal due process. It was thrown out because of the wonky way the regulation was written, and the potential for abuse as a result.

          • IDontKnowAnyMore

            So do we know if he has a legal permit to carry?

            • Valerie

              I personally do not know. To be honest, I have not been following this story as I should because I’m still in shock. I have family close to where this shooting happened so I’m shook.

          • Outside of felony conviction check and check for current or past involuntary confinement in mental asylum what sort of additional background checks would you like?

            • Valerie

              I stated what I felt, you don’t agree. Moving on.

              • If you can’t define what you mean by “better background checks” then your prescription is unhelpful.

            • cdj

              Crimes that may not be considered felonies would be good. Stalking, misdemeanor assault, official reports of child abuse and domestic violence (even if charges are dropped), people with restraining orders (even temporary ones). Check their school records; lots of times violent people have been that way for a LONG time.

              • Fair enough. As long as it is based on convictions and not charges/allegations fine.

                • cdj

                  Well, sometimes with domestic violence, the evidence is all there, then the victim doesn’t show up for court because he or she is afraid. I guess this would mean no conviction. I think the perpetrator still should not have access to firearms.

    • Valerie

      Agreed. I’m also with you on the concealed carry.

    • I’ve been beating the drum of a gun free society for a while. Take the inverse, what if that evil jackazz didn’t have a gun at all?

      • BlackMamba

        Guns are way too tied into American masculinity, especially for white men, for this to be politically viable in the next 100 years.

        • It just has to start somewhere.

      • Val

        Imagine how many people would still be alive.

    • Roz

      The thing with everyone carrying a gun is that EVERYONE swears they are a good shot, and they can tell who the bad guy is when they heard something pop off. I am for gun control since gun elimination is not possible.

      • Zil Nabu

        Gun control has done nothing for our communities except for lock up black men for simply carrying. It hasn’t curbed gun violence nor has it made us any safer. All it does is create high barriers for law abiding citizens to scale in order to exercise their rights and leave people defenseless against rage aholics like Stephens.

        • Roz

          All it does is create high barriers for law abiding citizens to scale in order to exercise their rights and leave people defenseless against rage alcoholics like Stephens.
          I don’t agree there, Sis and we will have to agree to disagree. There are stories out here of well intentioned good Samaritans killing innocent bystanders trying to get to the bad guy. Stories of mental ill people and/or evil people buying guns at gun shows with relative ease AND killing law abiding citizens. Stories of family members mistaking other family members for burglars. Nah, I can’t get with it. I will go to the gun range and shoot because I like the feel of a Beretta but I don’t want/need to carry it on my person.

          • Zil Nabu

            Which is absolutely your prerogative. Not trying to convince you otherwise. My point is that when the cost for licensure is upwards of $300 before you can even purchase a firearm, that is too high of a barrier to entry and often excludes low income people from exercising their rights legally. And like it or not we are over represented in the low income strata so it disproportionately excludes poor Black communities from ownership and that is not something I can get behind when I see the large numbers of Black people incarcerated not for actually committing a crime with a firearm but for simply possessing one without proper licensure.

      • Some people really are good shots though.
        http://heavy.com/news/2017/04/no-charges-for-zach-peters-shooting-3-teens-in-oklahoma-home-invasion/

        I support background checks for conviction and previous mental confinement. But even in the comments here many of the people calling for gun control are really talking about increased gun control as a precursor to total elimination of private gun ownership. Not going to happen.

        My guns must be defective because they have never discharged on their own.

  • The amount of people I saw on social media saying Joy Lane “owed” something to Mr. Goodwin’s family and the public in the form of a statement/response was sickening. She owes NOTHING except to make sure SHE and her family are good and can remain safe until this lunatic is caught.

    Mental illness is a real thing, but people are also just terrible sometimes.

    • Quirlygirly

      Mental illness is real but not every terrible thing that happens is because someone has a mental illness. Sometimes people are awful, disgusting, humans who are devoid of feeling for their fellow man and the lives of others.

More Like This