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Serena Williams Beats Everyone On The Court, But Just Can’t Win With White People And Black Men

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I want to say that the first time that I heard Serena Williams called a man was middle school. I can’t say that with absolute certainty as middle school is generally universally awful and grades six through eight are a haze of mob mentality and chocolate milk but nonetheless, it wasn’t until my teen years that I truly understood that people held a great amount of resentment for Serena Williams. Her muscular frame defied the expectations or demands of femininity at the time, even amongst Black male communities, who yes, liked their women thick, but only if the thick was “soft” looking like Esther Baxter. Somehow, Serena’s fit frame threatened that clear demarcation between strength and beauty that is supposed to exist between genders. Almost two decades later, there are plenty of men and women across racial lines who still possess this opinion: a perfunctory search of “Serena” and “ugly” or “Serena” and “man” will generate a terrifying number of results.

This obsession with minimizing and masculinizing Serena isn’t just limited to a beauty standard, however. After being overshadowed by her big sister Venus earlier in her career, Serena burst onto the scene with two huge tools in her arsenal — a strong baseline forehand and a dominant serve. Which were not only impressive for their speed — at around 129 mph Serena has the 3rd fastest recorded serve in women’s open era history — but her consistent ability to crack 115 mph with precision in ball placement. While women’s tennis had already been trending towards a more power-era sport with competitors such as Monica Seles disrupting the status quo, Serena’s serve set a new standard, requiring her competitors to train towards consistently returning speeds that were more commonly seen in men’s tennis. With the new benchmark being set and Serena’s serve taking her through a dominant run in the early aughts, the never-ending question started to rear its ugly head amongst professional tennis critics: could Serena be strong enough to compete with men? Does her physique provide her an unfair advantage over women?

The answer to both of these is obviously no (unless you count mixed doubles, which is a whole other ball game). However, the fact that this discussion has loomed so large over her career through a layered combination of misogyny and racism is what makes it so especially insulting that the same discussion is used to invalidate her legendary accomplishments. Evidenced most recently by John McEnroe, who stated that he couldn’t call her the best tennis player ever without a gender qualifier “if she played the men’s circuit, she’d be, like, 700 in the world.”

While it’s largely irrelevant, it should be noted that it’s unlikely that she would be ranked as low as 700. Regardless, what John and others like him refuse to understand about removing the qualifier is that it has nothing to do with whether or not Serena can compete at a high level with men. Serena Jameka Williams from Compton, California is one of, if not the best tennis player of all time because of her dominance and rebranding of the sport in spite of an elitist community that resisted accepting her as one of their own. She went from being ostracized as a villain the United States Tennis Association to being the face of it, selling out arenas in record time in a sport that was declining in attendance. Her and her sister are singlehandedly responsible in the resurgence of tennis interest in this country, both from viewership to actual participation of young Black women in the amateur circuit at a young age. And she did it all while wearing a cat suit, crip walking, and appearing in Beyonce videos.

It’s nearly impossible to overstate just how overscrutinized Serena’s rise to the top was. The conversations around her frame have continued well into the latter phase of career. In 2015, the New York Times bifurcated her “large biceps and mold-breaking muscular frame” with that of her competitors, who “chose not to” pursue the same frame because they “want to be a woman” or don’t want to “feel unfeminine.” In 2009, sentient pile of black mold Jason Whitlock infamously associated Serena’s then-struggles to return to the top with her size, claiming that if Serena could just focus on becoming leaner, she would become the greatest ever – which is quite the criticism from someone who can only claim to be singlehandedly the greatest in keeping the pork pie hat industry alive. And now, in 2017, the same frame that has somehow robbed her of her claim to femininity, that was consistently and unfoundedly associated with aggression and a brutishness that is unbecoming of a female tennis star, is being evaluated as unfit to stand in a man’s apparently dutiful place in history. This is after 23 Grand Slams across multiple generations of tennis peers, after being inaccurately reduced to a passing fad by both her contemporaries, and after redefining the entire approach to women’s tennis in such an unprecedented manner that a tennis star the likes of Maria Sharapova – who actually has been suspended for taking banned substances, as opposed to Serena, despite near-constant accusations to the contrary – can be reduced to near-insignificance. Roger Federer can’t make that same claim, much less McEnroe.

 Greatness has to do with more than athletic ability – Andy Roddick, with a serve of 150 mph is on no one’s greatest list (except for maybe one of “greatest finessers of multimillion endorsement deals while barely winning shit” with Anna Kournikova). Greatness is about impact, and the uncontested fact remains that in the last 25 years, Serena Williams has impacted the sport more than any of her peers, male or female. Serena can have her baby tomorrow and never pick up a racket again while exchanging cutesy Reddits with her fiancé on playdates with the Carter-Knowles twins and that significance of her multi-decade trajectory will remain an indelible constant. There’s no arbitrary ranking that McEnroe can make that will ever take that away, no matter how often he uses the gender qualifier to minimize it.

Shamira Ibrahim

Shamira is a twentysomething New Yorker who likes all things Dipset. You can join her in waxing poetically about chicken, Cam'ron, and gentrification (gotta have some balance) under the influence of varying amounts of brown liquor at her semi-monthly blog, shamspam.tumblr.com

  • Strong post, Sham!

    Every time Serena is brought up you realize how many folks are mad because they aren’t her. If we can’t stop her then we’ll minimize her.

  • Queen@

    Let’s not forget this tidbit of white men tears… How could you do anything beside praise this woman’s skill, tenacity, and plain fucking awesomeness is behind me.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/def4e3a2e02bd445e45e7686293e04e56e5cc0bd97ff4ef6c522a0cc0f5548af.jpg

    • Darkchloe144

      These niqqas got too much time on their hands to put this kind of effort into BS.

    • BM, President of Fuckery

      Yikes this is the type of stupid that should ban someone from reproducing.

    • cedriclathan

      That’s a real story? WTF? They can find anything to twist a story. “This just in, pregnancy is an unfair advantage for black women.”

  • Monica Harris

    While this article is extremely accurate and I’m glad you wrote it, the title is super shameless clickbait. Not cool.

    • BM, President of Fuckery

      Says who?

      • Monica Harris

        There’s just not enough nuance in the title. Personally, I feel that black men have certainly embraced both Serena and her sister.

        • Eh. The most I’ve seen is Black women express desire to have s*x with her rather than champion her skill.

          • God Shammgod

            And even that is a relatively recent phenomenon, if we’re being real.

            • Absolutely. Very, very women with muscular builds get any sort of public appraisal and women athletes are always neglected.

            • I think that’s true on some levels, Shamira but she started appearing in S.I. Swimsuit issues in the early 2000’s. I think white boys looking at her that way is really a new thing.

          • cedriclathan

            You must run in a very narrow circle of black men. That is not my experience.

            • Very small circle.

              • Brother Mouzone

                The molecular level small.

        • Brother Mouzone

          EXACTLY. The overwhelming majority of brothas embrace them even when they didn’t return (see what I did there) the embrace.

          • Monica Harris

            Yea that’s def been my experience and I’ve frequented quite a few tennis courts with black folk. But more than that, there was no reason to even include “black men” in the title when the article was not about black men’s perception of Serena Williams in the first place. It felt like she was trying to be divisive.

            • Brother Mouzone

              Unfortunately, that’s par for the course on this blog when it comes to writing things about Black men.

            • Wise Old Owl

              It was included to start the daily gender war and negroes ain’t $hit rants and generate clicks and comments…bbloggers know that articles stating Black Men hate, abuse and reject Black Women attract readers and visitors to their sites…

    • Kas

      Where is the motherfucking lie?

      • miss t-lee

        There isn’t one…lol

      • Val

        I think the post title overstates and generalizes. Most of the Black men I know love Serena. Just look around this room. Are you to let a small percentage of Black men represent the whole in such a negative way?

        • Wise Old Owl

          Val,
          Thank You for your honesty and non hatred of Black Men…

          • Brother Mouzone

            She’s one of only about 8 or 9 on this here site.

            • Wise Old Owl

              True…most seem to really have issues with Black Men and generalize Black Males and claim if it doesn’t apply don’t get offended…my issue is that Black Men are stereotyped enough in America by non Black Folks, so why do we have to paint Black Men instead of the Black Male offender…

        • Kas

          Honestly, broad generalizations of black men don’t bother me. I know it doesn’t apply to me or my friends so I don’t worry about it. But you raise a fair point. Do white people get the same benefit of the doubt?

          • Val

            Not really concerned about White folks in general like that, Kas. Plus, they do enough defending of themselves already.

        • Sausage Finger Whitlock is the only black dude who doesn’t support her. Or he’s at the head of the line.

          • Tam

            He was quick to defend his compatriot, isn’t it time for him to come out in support of the only people who will have his back in the end? Or is he praying his revertiligo goes away?

            • There are no ratings in supporting his own. FS1 thought they were going to hand ESPN s fade so in lieu of that they create controversial topics.

              • Val

                He’s definitely c00nning for money. His game is amazingly transparent.

                • It’s sad. I’m glad Mike Hill got after him.

          • Val

            I won’t say he’s the only one but he’s definitely at the head of the line.

        • God Shammgod

          I understand issue with the title, but it wasnt a small percentage of men. The praise of Serena by men as a secksual being is relatively new – remember, shes been in the public eye for 25 years now – and there were entire comments section on this very site saying that Serena’s butt is probably “too hard” and not soft, and men who said they prefered their men more delicate, etc etc. Her shape being associated with femininity is a recent development, regardless of race. That said, I didn’t dive too deep into that in this piece – especially with respect to her fiance and child-to-be – because I wasnt trying to hit 7K words.

          • Val

            Gotcha.

          • Brother Mouzone

            She was a CHILD in the early years. Of course the sexual comments are more recent. I would hope nobody was talking about her butt at 14.

          • Michelle

            I’ve never heard BM give Serena props, to be honest. Every man referred to her as a man/masculine. The only BM that I’ve heard say something “flattering” (if we were to include compliments about her a$$) about Serena were a handful of men that post on VSB.

    • DeeWilli_85

      I totally agree on the title

    • Soul Glo Model

      Thanks Monica.

    • Wise Old Owl

      Thanks! As a Black Man, I have always supported her and Venus and could care less who they date and mate…just don’t like the Double Standards of Black Male and Black Female celebrity interracial daters…one is cheered and one is jeered depending on the gender of the cheerer and jeerer…hyprotcritical idiots run amonk…And no one attacks Serena and Venus more than White Males…

    • Brother Mouzone

      Thank you!

  • A lot of men ONLY watch tennis because of the women. When Queen Serena stepped on the scene and had the nerve to have datazz and be so much better at the sport than everyone, the white tears came aflowing. Problem is, the men didn’t have the cajones to admit they were just watching white girls grunt in short skirts.

    • cyanic

      Amy Schumer had a funny bit about that.

    • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

      I only seriously watch tennis because of Serena and Venus. I like the sport to but I’m only there through every point for them.

      • arafat

        Yep, same here. I stopped watching the recent french open when Venus lost.

    • Brother Mouzone

      It sounds chauvinistic, but it’s true. There is a reason they broadcast the “lingerie” football league and not a traditional full padded women’s league. It’s not right, and it’s very objectifying, but it is what it is.

    • kingpinenut

      Lawd let them tears flow and props to the man allowed the honor of waxing Serena’s assets.

  • Jasmin

    Serena pregnant is what I imagine Mother Earth to look like. Strong, bold and Beautiful…every bit of femininity–> I see while she’s pregnant. It is true that pregnancy brings out the beauty in a woman, and DEFINITELY a black woman!

    • Blue Skies Bring Tears

      She’s magnificent. I’ve always found her beautiful, and pregnancy has heightened her beauty. That Vanity Fair cover is incredible.

  • MsCee

    I absolutely love Shamira for this. Girl, who you bank with? I have a deposit coming your way. When I heard that guy say that she couldn’t win with men it legitimately pissed me tf off. MFer SHE ISN’T A MAN. I hope he falls in a bed of freshly chopped grass and has the worst allergic reaction in medical history and dies 8 long and gruesome days later.

    • BM, President of Fuckery

      That’s like arguing that even though the Black Marlin is the fastest fish in the water that it couldn’t beat a cheetah so it’s slow. Its such a useless statement that you have to question the speaker’s intelligence.

      • MsCee

        My.point.exactly.

      • esa

        irrational people consistently lack self awareness.

    • Glo

      And the qualifier wasn’t necessary at all. He basically came into a convo saying “Serena is good, but she’s still just a girl,” and there can be no reason for saying something like that aside from jealousy and spite. Like, who asked you?

      • raul

        If you’re talking about McEnroe the interviewer asked him as part of the interview (crazy I know). It’s not like he just brought it up to throw shade.

        • Glo

          Oh wow, I didn’t know that. Ugh.

          • camille1128

            The question wasn’t “where would she rank if she played on the men’s circuit?” The question was “You know, why say female player?”

            • Brother Mouzone

              Yep. Not a McEnroe fan, but the interviewer steered him into that. He simply said greatest womens player ever. SHE then said ” why female”. If someone asked Lebron James about Lisa Leslie( or whoever is considered the greatest) and he said she’s the greatest women’s basketball player ever, I think it would be ridiculous to then say “why just female player”.

      • D-Nice

        They have had a very good relationship for the most part, and McEnroe has fawned over Serena at times not qualifying her excellence with “but she’s female.” So, this was very disappointing. I’m not sure it was that shady or malicious, but it sure didn’t come out good.

      • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

        The interviewer asked him. I suggest people listen to the who interview. He would have been smarter and more aware of intersectionality to not go for the bate and dismiss the question as silly, but he opened his big mouth.

        • Brother Mouzone

          Yeah, he took the bait. You could hear his hesitation, like, what? Then he bit.

    • God Shammgod

      Thank you for reading!

      It’s also ridiculous because if the best is only defined by physical prowess then it’s almost always going to be assigned to a man by default. McEnroe just has a book to promote.

    • D-Nice

      The man thing is SO tired. I’ve played tennis since I was 8 and and a huge fan, so Serena has a special place in my heart. I can’t stand when people talk abut her musculature or call her a “man” and say she has an unfair advantage. Disrespectful, ignorant, racist. Steffi Graf was less muscular, more lithe and dominated generally to the same extent – yet no one asks if she had some unfair advantage. Wonder why. Their advantage is that they’re the best, most talented players; that’s it.

      The “man” thing, without racial overtones, used to rear it’s head somewhat with Martina Navratilova who was/is an out lesbian and was among the first fitness fanatic players – you could really see her fitness and strength. She was sometimes referred to as manly.

  • Arguably the greatest single sport athlete in the last what 30 years??? She is actually under-praised considering her accomplished, her peak dominance, plus her longevity. The only knock I could imagine someone attempting to make when it comes to single sports athletes of all time is competition faced. I know we will have truly started to make progress in terms of gender relations when we start to see men talking about wanting to achieve greatness like Serena Williams.

  • Glo

    The hotep rage has been going full force against her since she announced her pregnancy.

    • MsCee

      “Hotep rage” hit me in the tickles. I’m picturing over turned jars of shea butter and posters of Marcus Garvey being angrily ripped off the walls in aunties basement.

    • cakes_and_pies

      I haven’t seen any full rage (yet) just a lot of grumblings about “that White boy don’t know what t do with dat @ss, wasted potential (whatever that means), and she got a little money so now she can’t date a brother” BS.

      • Glo

        I’ve seen the full “We lost another Kween to the white man” and “When are these women going to learn that diluting our blackness is not the answer?”

        I’ve also seen a fair amount of hotepian rage against Rihanna for making out with that millionaire.

        • Glo

          Sorry, *billionaire

        • cyanic

          Are these ashy having niqqas attempting to wife up anyone in their community?

          • Glo

            Of course not.

          • grownandsexy2

            lol

          • siante

            All of the hoteps I personally know are in long term relationships with white wimenz

            • cyanic

              Eww.

              • Tam

                I am taking it that it is eww to women

                • cyanic

                  Girl bye. You know I don’t like crust anywhere near my toast.

                  • Tam

                    Hahahaha

            • Duff Soviet Union

              Or *very* light skinned women. The kind of woman who you bring home when you want to go white but are worried about what your Mom will say.

          • kneelbeforetigers

            this. nutshell.

          • Mochasister

            Now you know…

        • cakes_and_pies

          The talk like they had a real chance with them. The male ego is a force to be reckoned with

        • With Rihanna, I just wanna smash to do my dad proud. Either her or Alison Hinds. Just lemme have that one moment. :)

          • Tam

            Hahaha. You sure you can handle Allison? Btw, I see Rihanna and Naomi Campbell are feuding? I wonder who shall prevail

            • I’m a brave man Tam. I can handle some of anything.

              • Tam

                Go for it.

          • Wise Old Owl

            Remember, you must of a lighter shade to smash Rihanna, because as her Navy will gladly inform you, she doesn’t prefer dark skin Brothers, however, like most women, she gets a pass…now let’s go after Kodak Black who obviously suffers from Self Hate and Low Self-esteem from growing up dark skinned in color caste Florida with all those folks from the islands like Rihanna who doesn’t prefer Brothers like Kodak and allows her actions to speak for her, while Kodak allows his words…we all have preferences…Azealle Banks has stated numerous times that she hates Black Men without any backlash or VSB think pieces…

            • Azalea Banks got dragged on here for her colorism. Don’t go there.

              • Wise Old Owl

                When? Was there a think piece or the comments?

            • Coco

              Has rihanna ever said she doesn’t date some black men because they’re darkskinned? If she did, would it be considered self hate since she’s not darkskinned herself? Didn’t she date Travis Scott and he’s dark skin. Rihanna got beaten by a black man but never once said anything negative about black men.

              Kodak black actually pointed to his own skin to say I don’t want this, how is it not self hate? HE POINTED TO HIS OWN SKIN!!!!

              Azalea have been dragged in bl0gs more than any male musicians, who have said worse.

              • Wise Old Owl

                I clearly stated that she allows her actions to speak for her…travis Scott was her opening act on her tour…
                A Black Female WWE wrestler stated her preference for white males without any backlash from the mainstream Black Blogs or this site…there is a double standard.
                She was beat by a light skin thug, who she has repeatedly taken back into her life…
                Moreover, Arabic males are still enslaving African women and treat Arabic women like second class citizens and often deny them basic human rights…

                • Coco

                  Rihanna was caught kissing Travis Scott in the mouth, There are pictures of it. That wrestler got dragged even by black women, I saw it myself on twitter and b0ssip. Are we talking about arabs or black people? I don’t know much about arabs or their culture, I don’t see why you’re bringing them up. Last time I checked, light skin isn’t a race, and both chris and rih are light, they’re both black ppl. It’s so stupid to pull he’s not black enough card. Rihanna is isn’t the 1st victim of domestic violence to take their abuser back, there are studies about this behavior, if you knew anything about domestic violence, you’d know this. She has grown and has stopped messing with about 4 years ago.

              • Wise Old Owl

                And I stated that Kodak Black suffers from Self Hate and Low Self-esteem from growing up dark skinned in color caste Florida…he is the Hate that Hate Made…read the comments from Black Folks mocking him and calling him all sorts of names…they never fathom or admit that dark skin Black Males also experience Colorism and rejection from Black Women and Black Men..
                Colorism against dark skin Black Males is even relevant and present in same gender relationships with expected roles based upon complexion…

                • Coco

                  Yes he does suffer from it, what does it have to do with Rihanna or Serena? They’ve both been confident in their blackness. When it comes to dating most women prefer darkskinned black men, they’re even called chocolate, lighter skinned men face more prejudice because light is seen as feminine and weak, hence all the light skin ni99as jokes. If you’re a black person and you’re not just trying to argue, you’ll agree with this.

                  • Wise Old Owl

                    So, dark skin Brothers are more favored than light skin Brothers and Drake, Chris Brown, Steph Curry, J Cole, The Weekend, The Rock, President Obama, Eric Holder, Cory Booker, Ice Cube, Michael Ealy, Jesse Williams, Lester Holt, Michael Strahan , Steve Harvey, Brian Gumble, Don Lemon, T.J. Holmes, Big Sean, Chance The Rapper, Will Smith , Terrance Howard , Omar Hardwick, Vin Diesel, Duval Patrick and numerous other light skin Brothers are victims of Colorism and face rejection from Black Women, Corporate America, Hollywood, the Media and educational and judicial institutions…..all the data shows that Light Skinned Black Males earn 50% more income , receive shorter prison sentences, have lower unemployment rates and are viewed as more desirable partners by Black Women….

              • Wise Old Owl

                Which blogs has she been dragged more than Kodak this week….The Root The Grio, Bossip, Eurweb, Mediatakeout, Madiamnoire, Ebony, Essence, Neguswhoread, Verysmartbrothas?

                • Coco

                  Are you serious? She’s been dragged everywhere. And just like her, he’s a celebrity, everything they say will be scrutinized. Why are you acting like he should be coodled? Black men should like/date/marry what they want, but why do they insist in telling us what they DONT want ?The most common form of interracial marriage is white men and Asian women, but we never hear white men drag white women because they love Asians. It’s so embarrassing. I’ve never heard a white person say I only date olive skin, no pale skin. Never! Slavery did a number on black people.

        • MsSula

          Rihanna should get her billionaire on! That oil money goes a long way.

      • cyanic

        She’s had money when she was dating the brothers. Nobody wanted to put a ring on it. Waiting around for mixed bae or crust bae.

      • Alessandro De Medici

        Jeez,

        I remember in college, I attended one of these black student union seminars on dating. Still relatively fresh from Nigeria, I made a YUGE, near life threatening mistake: I suggested, to a crowd of young black men and black women, that who a person chose to date or marry regardless of their race or class, was pretty much no one’s business…

        Lmao, at how they booed me!!!

        For real, it was like 50 people eyeing me like (even the black girl with the white boyfriend, who she brought was mean mugging me smh):

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8joWCbjcTQ

        • cakes_and_pies

          Oh no baby, what is you doing?!? Lesson learned.

        • grownandsexy2

          You’re lucky they just booed you. lol. Things can go left real quick when you suggest that one should be free to date/marry regardless of race or class. And like the black girl with the white boyfriend who was mean mugging you, I can relate.

          I have a friend that has dated all over the rainbow, but mention a black woman who dated a white guy and all bets are off. I asked him why is it ok for him and not black women? His answer was, “don’t do as we do, do as we say (which is to date black men), and reeking of paternalism. Again, why can’t we do what you do? It never made sense to me. I think SOME black men think black women “belong” to them, as in we are their possession. When a black woman dates a man of another persuasion, SOME black men look at it as a rejection of them, even as they have “Becky” on their arm. Mind boggling.

          • PurpleIntrovert

            wow

          • Alessandro De Medici

            I think that SOME men do think that…and my experience has shown that SOME women do it too. The ironic thing is that even though all their “ACTIONS” reveal this to be the but none of the parties ever ADMIT verbatim to it.

            I just keep the truth to myself on this thing.

            https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/1600×900/371158-Eric-Hoffer-Quote-We-lie-the-loudest-when-we-lie-to-ourselves.jpg

          • Mochasister

            I don’t even like white men like that and have absolutely no plans to date one (I dabbled with a Latino. He was non white tho so he don’t count. Lol!). But I mean this from the very bottom of my hear: f*** yo’ friend! :^)

        • You ain’t lie. Sigh…

        • JD_Challenger

          Wow that anecote reminds me of the African character on Dear White People the series…so innocent and naive to the African-American cultural dead-ends…that being said, I agree with you and most of those people are really insecure in their Black supremacy.

      • Duff Soviet Union

        Hotep types called her a man for a decade when she was dating Black men and now act like their nubian queen has betrayed them while they call her a “bed wench”. Losers.

      • Well, that White dude beat out Drake so salute that man. He’s doing something right. LOL

        • cedriclathan

          Drake seems like the guy women use as a step ladder. They use him to show they can get with a celebrity and then move on.

          • Monica Harris

            stop

          • kneelbeforetigers

            Drake DEF is a middle step-ladder… ladies use him to get their self-esteem back up, and then they bounce. Perpetual rebounda

      • Blueberry01

        Little money? N*ggas stay hating on a girl’s pockets…

    • Junegirl627

      Since she got engaged to a white man. They love that

      • miss t-lee

        Yup…lol

      • It really is disturbing to see all facets of America still caught up on interracial dating.

        • Word. I’m always perplexed by the Black people who get in their feelings about it though. Like yeesh…it’s obvious they wanted to marry out on some level. Why worry about someone you never met not checking for you? LOL

          • Duff Soviet Union

            From what I see, most people really don’t care about the IRR itself as much as the garbage that goes with it.

            So many people really think their relationship with a non-Black person makes them special and they can’t stop talking about “I date because Black (wo)men are….”. It’s really creepy and it’s obvious their “love” for their partner is really just hatred for Black people.

            I’ll also say that while I have seen Black women pull this (remember “Beyond Black and white” or whatever that website was called?), Black men are *much* more likely to be on this trip.

            • Duff Soviet Union

              Another thing is that these are the guys who *love* to talk about how “Black women are mad at me for dating a white woman” and make a public spectacle of their relationship when they see Black women. You know the type.

              These people *want* Black women to be mad at them, and if you go looking for that hard enough, you’ll find it eventually.

            • First, Beyond Black and White has to be one of the creepiest sites on the internet. That there is a crew of Black Women with that much blatant self hatred is mind blowing.

              Also, you’re right about how most Black people approach interracial dating. I know it’s behind many of the strange reactions that I’ve gotten over the years to my interracial dating interests. When they figure out that I don’t treat it like a big deal, it causes a bit of shock, then relief. Also, having a child that looks obviously Black has helped recently. It definitely takes the edge off of things when you’re with a Black woman, you have a non mixed child and then mention that yes, you have dated out before.

              • Duff Soviet Union

                I take it you’re not on Twitter because that type of creepiness is not uncommon there.

                • I’m very fastidious in who I follow on Twitter for the sake of my mental health. I’m more of Facebook guy. LOL

              • orchid921

                Hmmmm. I used to lurk over there a lot, but haven’t been there in some time. It seemed empowering back in the day, but clearly something’s changed. What creeps you out? Asking PURELY out of curiosity … :)

                • The tone on that site is very reminiscent of those Queen of Spades websites for White women. It’s just written by Black women wanting non Black men. Not only does it come off objectifying, it comes off more than a bit insecure. These women are expecting White and Asian men to make up for the fact that their dad wasn’t around and they were teased as kids. YEESH.

          • Junegirl627

            marry out?

    • Monica Harris

      Fair, but hoteps are probably (I don’t have data) like a small percentage of black men

    • Michelle

      I know that they are losing their cool and sweating out their African Musk oil because of this Tumblr post.

      https://mimigemrose.tumblr.com/post/162447556450/evooob-thehalfricangawd-fredexmain

  • Photoshop’s a helluva drug

    I had a coworker who would talk about the steriods the Williams Sisters were on because they were so much bigger now than when the started. I was like “You know they were teenagers and still growing when they went professional right?” He was so bitter.

    • Glo

      I can picture that convo now.

      “…you mean puberty?”

    • TheUnsungStoryteller

      Bahahahaaa!!!! That is hilarious!!! What an idiot!!

      • Val

        Nice avi! :-)

    • Junegirl627

      Go to that co worker and say it’s a good thing those girls never used PED’s like that “Tall Pretty Blonde Girl Sharapova.” Their whole legacy would’ve been compromised.

      • who are you kidding

        Sharapova was all but absolved by the CAS after an appeal. Might want to take note of that.

        • Junegirl627

          Thatbitch did a year and was found guilty of using illegal performance enhancing drugs and she still can’t win a set off Serena in over 10 years so that’s the only notes I care about

          • who are you kidding

            That’s fine, but the court that reviewed her case came to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that she did not intentionally dope.

            • Mochasister

              What difference does it make? The fact is she was doping.

              • who are you kidding

                Whether she intended to dope or not seems to be rather important.

                • Mochasister

                  How do you accidentally dope? Unless someone put something her food or drinks or slipped her a pill that looked like a vitamin but really wasn’t, then she intentionally doped. That’s like a man telling his wife that he didn’t “intend” to cheat. Yeah, maybe so but he still inserted his penis into another woman’s vagina.

                  • who are you kidding

                    Taking a substance for non-doping purposes which later is moved to the do-not-take list of the anti-doping authorities is one way, and that’s what she argued and the CAS believed. Nobody but Sharapova really knows for sure.

            • Nature

              Ypipo always have excuses when they get caught cheating. Whatever she intended she was doping while she was playing. Doping and losing to Serena. LOL
              Maybe if she did on purpose she could have found a formula that worked.

              • who are you kidding

                Sharapova said she had been taking meldonium since 2006. She beat Serena for the Wimbledon title in 2004. So perhaps the substance hurt her game.

            • Ernestine Easter

              DOES. NOT. MATTER. EXCEPT …. that if it had been Serena, and they had video footage in her defense….it would not have mattered in her case either, except she would be guilty in the court of opinion.. Obviously she is NOT a man with all that belly. good grief. “all but absolved..” how is that even relevant.

  • cyanic

    Beautifully written and validating my initial dispute earlier.

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