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You Were Probably Going To See Hidden Figures Anyway, But Go See Hidden Figures.

I feel like I’m in a pretty enviable position in life. Since I was 18-years-old, I’ve been surrounded by Black people who are actively involved in STEM fields. I have several friends with STEM PhDs, including one who writes for VSB on occasion. Two of my closest friends in life are PhDs in biomedical engineering/biology and psychometrics, I have several friends with math PhDs, a few with chemistry PhDs, I even know some physics PhDs. Not to mention the numbers of medical doctors I personally know. They’re all very brilliant, regular people and fixtures in my life.

To say that I live in a bubble of Black excellence would be an understatement, but it’s true. I wrote about this some time ago after Damon and I attended Yale’s Black Solidarity Conference in February and came across this young woman who had never seen a Black PhD before. She is in college majoring in some STEM major. It gave me the sads. I might still have those sads.

I recently wrote about my TI-83 graphing calculator and being in a pre-freshman summer program for STEM majors at Morehouse. We had a counterpart program at Spelman College (thy name we praise) called WISE, or Women In Science and Engineering, also (I believe) funded by NASA.

I just used 203 words to basically state that Black mathematicians and scientists aren’t anything new to me, regardless of gender. So when I see movies like Hidden Figures it serves to reinforce the things that I, personally, know and can attest to: Black folks been doing the damn thing like beavers for a while now.

But what I also have to do is take a step outside of my own bubble and realize that, apparently, for a vast many of people, Black, white, or other, the world that I call normal is actually pretty small and potentially anomalous, which is exactly why movies like Hidden Figures are important.

As you know by now, Hidden Figures is a movie that explores the roles several (and I do mean SEVERAL) Black women played in the early stages of America’s quest to get a man into outer space. It specifically tells an abbreviated story of Katherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughan, and Mary Jackson, three Black women mathematicians who worked at NASA’s Langley facility in Virginia in separate roles that were vital to the early space missions. Katherine Johnson (played by Taraji P. Henson) is especially vital in the movie as she’s the woman whose calculations SPECIFICALLY ensured America wouldn’t lose in the space race with Russia.

The movie is based on a true story, and sadly a story I had NO clue existed until the promotions for Hidden Figures began earlier this year. We are all aware that Black women’s contributions are often downplayed if not altogether erased when it comes to the struggle for civil rights in this country no matter the era, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t EXTREMELY frustrated by how much I learned about these pivotal women, and women like them, by watching this movie.

To know that there was an entire group of women period, but especially Black women, all of extraordinary intelligence and acumen, working at NASA ensuring the continuation of the early space program and having ZERO idea about their contributions is exactly why we need to support movies like this. It helps that it’s actually a good movie (though long, and that’s what she said) and that Janelle Monae (as Mary Jackson) and Octavia Spencer (as Dorothy Vaughan), as well as Taraji, are magnificent on screen.

Yes, there are definitely several moments that are specifically designed to make you clap or say “Amen” even though I’m pretty sure they didn’t happen exactly how presented. There are several speeches that seem a little bit too on the nose, though they are very important for moving along the greater point about discrimination Black women faced due to both their color and sex. But those a-little-bit-too-perfect moments don’t detract from the greater good and greater lessons to be learned from watching this movie: Black women are excelling everywhere, even in places where history tries to tell you they weren’t.

My daughter wants to be a scientist when she grows up. She’s not sure exactly what kind yet, and sometimes she wants to be a doctor and a scientist and a songwriter and a spy. Part of this desire is that many of the television shows for kids now feature kids, and girls specifically, who are conducting experiments and using their brains to change the world or whatever. I’m glad that my daughter can watch KC Undercover or Doc McStuffins and see girls of color being who she wants to be without any obstacle or roadblock. Because of those television shows, my daughter’s imagination is wide open.

But I definitely want my daughter to see Hidden Figures; that way, she can see why shows like KC Undercover or Doc McStuffins exist. She needs to know that these smart Black women took no prisoners and used the gifts they were blessed with to excel even if took 50 years for their stories to hit the mainstream. Our history is everything.

So many contributions of people of color have been overlooked, and Hidden Figures puts that fact front and center. Specifically, the roles of Black women in every facet of the furthering of our community are often relegated to background roles or plot devices. It’s a nice change of pace to see a movie headed up by a group of Black women about a group of Black women who not only excelled, but excelled in a world most people think is only inhabited by (white) men.

I realize that many women have a complicated relationship with the term “Black girl magic” and for various understandable reasons. But it is the term I thought of while watching the movie. No they’re not unicorns, just Black women doing the work that Black women have been doing for eons and fighting a fight that many of us fail to acknowledge, including some Black men who sometimes present ourselves as an additional foe. The Black women in this movie are brilliant mathematicians who paved the way for those women that I know who never realized that being a math major wasn’t an option. And the world is a better place for it.

Hidden Figures? I’m glad we found them. I look forward to finding more.

Panama Jackson

Panama Jackson is pretty fly (and gorgeous) for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. He refuses to eat cocaine chicken. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future. You can hit him on his hitter at panamadjackson@gmail.com.

  • Glo

    I’m hoping that all the men who were pushing so hard for black people to go see Birth of a Nation push Hidden Figures just as hard. So far, I haven’t seen it happen. *insert side eye*

    • Ni66as are SILENT AS HAYLE…

      • miss t-lee

        Rat p*ssing on cotton quiet.

        • PriceIsRightHorns

          Lol. I just replied to you with a similar sentiment.

          • miss t-lee

            Jinx!!!

      • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

        The Hotep crowd is certainly silent.

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          Well…they probably think NASA is part of some conspiracy theory anyway.

          • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            Indeed Sister. Some of that crowd believe in the erroneous view that the moon landing was faked. I’m glad that the movie will show as it will inspire more people to study STEM fields and the actions of unsung black heroes.

      • TheUnsungStoryteller

        I only hear crickets from our counterparts. Well, with the exception of VSB.

    • The Pengest BK

      I wanna go on record as saying, and let the receipts show that, I never caped for BOAN, and when Hidden Figures drops on DVD by the end of April, it will be required viewing in all classrooms.

      • miss t-lee

        We know who did, and who didn’t dawg.

      • Kema

        Yes!!! I am a math teacher and my students are always asking to see a movie. “No Mikey… Life of Pi is not a math movie”

        Can’t wait to be able to show this one!

        • LMNOP

          Hey Kema! How are you? And Life of Pi isn’t a math movie? It sounds like a math movie lol.

          • Kema

            *Waves* Hey lady!!! I’m enjoying all this time off. And no the boys name is just Pi. LMAO!!! How have you been?

            • LMNOP

              I’m good, and you know what’s crazy? I saw the movie AND read the book, and I remember there was a boat, a zoo, a tiger, and I just assumed there was some math in there lol. But Hidden Figures will definitely be a great movie to show, there’s not a lot of math movies.

        • Mikey is clever

        • Righteousauthority1

          show anti white propaganda about how the evil racist inept white guys almost fucked up the moon landing, if it wasn’t for a few sassy black women – all on the taxpayers dime, of course? smh

      • Other_guy13

        I have still yet to watch BOAN lol. It’s even on firestick and I just scroll right by it. Hidden figures though… Let’s just say I got my popcorn ready

      • TheUnsungStoryteller

        Yes, maam!

    • Nobody pushed to go see BOAN. Niqqas were every bit as lazy.

      • PinkRose

        They did years ago before the rape stuff hit the fan.

        • PriceIsRightHorns

          Before, during and after.

      • miss t-lee

        Nah…you’d be wrong.

        • I have seen brothas get in their feels about some rather odd stuff. This one wouldn’t surprise me.

          • miss t-lee

            Trust.

      • Glo

        I literally had dudes posting all over my FB about how it’s important for me to see BOAN regardless of what Nate Parker did or didn’t do.

        • PriceIsRightHorns

          And those same dudes hit our timelines with a stream of vitriol when it turned in subpar box office receipts.

          • Maxine Shaw

            Wasn’t 60% of Flop of a Nation’s audience made of black women?

            • PriceIsRightHorns

              Yup. That didn’t stop the backlash, though.

        • Mary Burrell

          Your hair is gorgeous.

          • Glo

            Thank you!!!

      • Sorry fam… The capes were out for BOAN.

      • siante

        alot of hotepy black men were on Youtube pushing boan & crying the rape talk was a “conspiracy”

      • Diego Duarte

        Saw black men all over the internet pushing for BOAN, even after the rape conspiracy. Some of them even had the NERVE to come here and decry black women for pushing the “false rape narrative” against Nate Parker.

    • Wise Old Owl

      I am wishing for all the women, who hate and blame Black Men for all the ills and sins of the World to go see and enjoy Hidden Figures in love, peace and happiness and allow Black Men to have a space to support other Black Men without fear, judgement and attacks…My Beautiful Black Wife and I plan to support Hidden Figures the same way we supported and enjoyed BOAN during its opening weekend…we are not worried about the historical inaccuracies the same way we were not we were not worried about them in BOAN….and any other Hollywood story based upon true events…Black Girl Magic and Black Boy Joy are both Beautiful Things and I am going to continue to uplift, support, honor and love the Most Precious Gift the Creator Gave the World…the Black Woman…Hotep out…

    • miss t-lee

      Make it plain!!!!!

      • PriceIsRightHorns

        You can hear cotton hit the floor in this MF.

        • miss t-lee

          Girl…

    • Objection

      The conviction rate for black men in the criminal justice system is 95%. An all white jury found one black man not guilty, and America went into full force to make sure his movie failed. I’m not wasting my money on any movies. America has shown me what time it is when it comes to black men. But I hope you enjoy the movie.

      • Question

        Huh?

      • PinkRose

        Listen, WHITE FOLKS were looking for a reason to trash the movie, and he served it to them on a platter with his funky a$$ attitude.

        • Objection

          . . . with his funky a$$ attitude.

          Nate Parker or King Kong Aint got $hit on me!

      • Wise Old Owl

        Please don’t waste your precious time trying to engage the irrational Black Men haters on this site…their joy and pleasure is Attacking and Blaming Black Men for the break-up of the Fat Boys and everything else bad in the world….

        • Val

          The Fat Boys broke up?

        • miss t-lee

          Totally gonna start a teespring for an Irrational Black Man Hater line.

        • Objection

          Don’t take this website too serious. Just Stick’ Em.

          • Wise Old Owl

            You are correct….

        • Overtymem Usicradio

          I as well have sensed the presence of feminist overtones as well on this site as of late, and VSB seem to bash in it. I wonder why.

          • GailyTheyRing,WhilePeopleSing

            So is something wrong with being Feminist? Being feminist does not equate to being a misandrist.

            • Blackberry02

              They refuse to believe that they can be mutually exclusive.

            • Overtymem Usicradio

              If your intentions is only to create friction between the sexes then yes. The feminist overtones on this site has only been divisive. Attacking black men for not openly supporting this movie as many of you feminist have done is not productive. It is very unnecessary. You can enjoy both movies.

              • Wise Old Owl

                Why would they…they hate Black Men and we both know why….no point of engaging irrational haters….their joy and happiness come from bashing Black Men to make themselves feel important and better about their lives….recognize hate and love yourself and keep it moving…

                • Overtymem Usicradio

                  I fully get what you are saying, but my point is that this site is called Very Smart Brothas, and such a site has huge following of angry feminist who bash black men every chance they get. Sure I recognize the hate, what I don’t understand is why do they bring it to a site where it is not wanted or needed. This site is for black men and women and others to come and engage each other in positive and productive conversation. But you are right, I should just read the nonsense and keep it moving. :(

                  • Wise Old Owl

                    That’s why they come, because it gives them an audience to vent, attack, argue, feel special, attack, berate and mock Black Men…they hate Black Men, because they view us as the enemy…and competition…

                    • Overtymem Usicradio

                      The last post to me just proved your every word.

                  • Ms.

                    Oh yeah, this IS a site for black men. I thought it was Madamenoire for a minute. Time for me to go. Bye.

              • GailyTheyRing,WhilePeopleSing

                Friction is necessary at times to create order. In my opinion the over and undertones of feminism on this website is not creating divisions, it is just making some people uncomfortable who are willing to admit that there need to be a change in the way in which black women, in particular, have been treated and viewed. Moreover, black women have always been overwhelmingly been feminist by their actions and men were ok with it especially if it relieved them of some of their duties that patriarchy have ascribed with to them, however, once the label ‘ feminist’ is attached it becomes an issue. In relation to the movies, the actions, reactions or inaction of Nate Parker helped to create that visceral response.However, Nate Parker’s race became a factor and that we can not get away from. Interestingly enough it is often black women , inclusive of feminists, who caper and shout the loudest for black men and I find it hypocritical for you and others do not to want black women to call out these same black men when they mess up. One must go with the other because if we do not what we are left with is a group of enablers, another label pushed down the throat of black women.

                • Overtymem Usicradio

                  Wow. That was some of the most inarticulate, convoluted piece of garbage I have ever read. Friction does not create order. Friction causes chaos and confusion that leads to disharmony and division. You are looking to cause any real change through dialogue, you are looking to start a fight you feel you should win on some silly gender based principle, and mainly for attention to some silly gender based agenda. I won’t even address the foolishness about black women always being feminist and men being cool with because we all know that pure bull. And you feelings about Mr. Parker was never really based on his attitude or his past legal troubles. You were all in love with him but turned on him once you discovered that his life partner was white. And as for shouting the loudest for black men, those shouts were about how bad and evil we are and how we just love white women. Black feminist only care about gender issues, which is fine, but why bring it here? Calling out these so called Hoteps because they were pushing for a movie with historical content and was made by black people? And now you want these same Hotep who you hate to promote a movie to which you could easily promote yourselves? This garbage should even offensive to real feminist.

                  • GailyTheyRing,WhilePeopleSing

                    You do know in order to smooth instrument friction is needed, basic science. Choas is needed to create order, that is ying-yang, but I leave that to you. I do not give two hoots about who Nate Parker is married. However, I object to YOU telling ME how I feel and how I should relate to an issue. You can not address it because it is true. Really now black feminists are only concerned about gender issues? Then you know nothing about black feminism, and feminism is not about misandry but in everything there are extremes, if you and I are honest about things. However gender issues are important and that is something we can not get away from. For as long as I have been reading this site what is foremost is black culture and black advancement, but a part of that is calling out the BS which we as a race sometimes engage in and nothing is wrong with that. Right is right wrong is wrong , and you the fact is black men do not always bat for black women with the same rapidity that black women bat for black men. But stay in your feeling and sulk but never ever dare to tell me how I feel about an issue. Your response is pure drivel, if I must say.

              • Ms.

                No, no one to my knowledge is attacking black men for not openly supporting Hidden Figures. Nobody expected black men to support the film anyway. I mean, c’mon black women…black men spend all day attacking black women so why would any one of us suddenly expect black men to support this film about us? Black men attack your degrees, so what makes you think they would support a fulm version of your achievements? Come on now….

      • Ms.

        FYI the majority of these “all white” juries are made up of white women. Just so you know. Are you black men going to write them off too? No, of course not.

        • Objection

          I’m writing you off.

    • Annalise Keating
    • kingpinenut

      Taking my daughter to see HF this weekend. Baby girl is aiming for CERN.

      • I_AmU

        She’ll make it. Nuclear research?

        • kingpinenut

          She speaks a language beyond my comprehension

          • I_AmU

            It’s a beautiful thang! I’m rooting for her. Peace & Blessings

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        • kingpinenut

          Cried my eyes out..wish this history was public knowledge back in the day.

    • rikyrah

      Silence from Hotep Central. That channel did video upon video for Birth of the Nation, yet, as of yesterday afternoon, had not done ONE video about Hidden Figures.
      Curious indeed.

    • LMNOP

      You’d think this would be an easier sell, with the lack of a rape controversy.

      • miss t-lee

        Do you remember the original trailers? I could’ve swore it was originally dropping before Xmas, and it seems to be pushed back.

        • LMNOP

          I don’t remember that, but it’s a shame, this is a good week for movies to come out.

        • Junegirl627

          No it was supposed to drop in February and they moved it up to Christmas so that it could be in contention for Oscars

          • miss t-lee

            Christmas for some…we gotta wait til January…lol

            Thanks for clarification.

            • Blackberry02

              Don’t you live near a major city?

              • miss t-lee

                Not major enough…lol

                • Blackberry02

                  Awww…poor miss t-lee.

                  • miss t-lee

                    It’s fine. I’d already planned on seeing it in January.

            • Junegirl627

              You sure because there’s limited release but they put a list of all the theaters across the US that is showing

          • Nik White

            Alrighty then!

        • PinkRose

          That’s what I remember too, I think the date got changed a few times.

        • cakes_and_pies

          It did change.

      • cakes_and_pies

        I mean 4 Black women presidents of HBCUs fired this year and one professor/ county commissioner accused one President of purposely not hiring Black men. I’m not shocked by this.

      • Other_guy13

        Much easier sell. And better cast. Been waiting for this to drop all year. Janelle Monae, math, and NASA…. Yes please

        • Mary Burrell

          Plus Janelle Monae is in Moonlight.

    • Mary Burrell

      You beat me to it.

    • Me

      Has anyone heard from Steve Harvey or his sidekick Sheryl Underwood yet? Between the two of them, I thought they were splitting profits with Nate the way they were rape-caping.

      • Mary Burrell

        Come through.

    • Blackberry02

      Let’s go, Glo, with that avi! Shout out to that hair!

      • Glo

        Hahahaha, thank you! :)

    • I can’t speak for anyone else but I’ve been caping for this movie since I first saw the trailer. Don’t throw all of us under the bus.

    • Sigma_Since 93

      It should go without saying we are rooting for the movie. There’s no drama surrounding the characters that require us to put on the cape and ride to the defense of supporting the movie. Fences and Hidden Figures will be great date night movies. I just may skip the date night part and take the whole clan.

    • I want to see it put its not in theaters down here, even the theater that usually have black movies only has fences

    • Maxine Shaw

      Just like they did for Queen of Katwe…oh, wait.

      • Blackberry02

        Yikes….

    • Ms.

      Okay, I did think I was on Madamenoire for a moment while leaving my comments because there were so many BW on here commenting. Honestly you other black women should NOT have swamped this site to complain about BM not supporting you. We don’t NEED BM to support the film because we have the bulk of the money in the BC to support our OWN film as black women.

      Second,, BM did not even go out and support their OWN film – BOAN (Birth if a Nation). How could you expect them to support YOu when they did not even support their OWN shhhhhit? Get real. Why are you gals here?

  • The Pengest BK

    Panamá, thank you for using the STEM acronym without the A. I’m a hobby artist, and I actually majored in art briefly. I never associated art with science, technology, engineering, or math, unless you’re considering the aesthetics of each aspect instead of its function.

    • GailyTheyRing,WhilePeopleSing

      Snob!

    • I never associated art with science, technology, engineering, or math, unless you’re considering the aesthetics of each aspect instead of its function.

      i slightly disagree. i think the art part of STEAM is to signify the part science and computer programming is taking with regard to art and design (hi photoshoppers and inDesigners) – https://www.goldennumber.net/art-composition-design/

      • The Pengest BK

        da Vinci makes a strong case for the mergence of form and function. I see how STEM is used to create works of art, but I feel like art is more inferred, and STEM is rigid. Everything must be precise in science, but you can play with a piece of art.

    • Jennifer

      As an hobby artist and brief major, I’m surprised you don’t see the reasonability of including it in the acronym — considering all of the scientific evidence on how the skills leaned through arts education and instruction can enhance work in other subject areas.

      I’ve worked in the arts for over 10 years now, and campaigns like STEAM are frustrating to me — not because I don’t see the relevance, but because it feels like a desperate attempt to prove the its importance.

      The arts are being exlcuded as an essential part of K-12 public education — meanwhile, private and well-funded public schools are not forced to make these cuts. Why’s that?

      (I really came to the comments love on Hidden Figures. Back to that)

    • LMNOP

      STEM is filled with good jobs, A not so much.

      Art does have a lot of value to the world and humanity, just not a lot of full time jobs with benefits.

      • Plenty of art careers depending on how flexible you are.

        • LMNOP

          Maybe so, but you don’t really hear about starving engineers like you do starving artists.

          • The average engineer is much better at what they do than the average artist.

            • cyanic

              Artists are wholly dependent on people who value them.

      • fedup

        I think its all in how you look at things, like Ricky said below; need to be flexible.

        May not be HIGH ART, but somebody paid these people $5000 to produce this:

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6d5192f3835d3d42623773b76e2eadd0759510af4153050896409feb6d5b7ed.jpg

    • NonyaB?

      I’m full STEAM ahead: Science + Art background. Aside from art-focused fields like fine art or literature, there’s a lot of the arts in STEM: Some of the best science research and creations reflect art and design sensibilities. I use an arts approach when setting vision on new projects/creations (macro), supported by approach problem-solving from a design perspective when working on component-related tasks like programming (micro).

      Yes, there’s necessary rigidity in science but a lot of the paradigm shifts involve people who went beyond fundamentals and got the art of what fields potential for humanity.

      • Janelle Doe

        Also music and math… Some of the best composers are math heads

        • NonyaB?

          Exactly; it goes both ways. I also find myself using math and the like when completing art tasks.

        • Blackberry02

          Yes!

  • Val

    And, the three women whose stories are featured in the film, Katherine G. Johnson, Dorothy Vaughan, and Mary Jackson were and are all members of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.

  • PinkRose

    The reason Hidden Figures remained “hidden” for so long is because Black men didn’t/don’t stick up for Black women in STEM the way White men did/do for White women (and that ain’t all that great either).

    The fact that we now outnumber them in STEM AND in college is Black Girls making our own magic, ’cause ain’t nobody gonna do it for us!

    • Annalise Keating

      White supremacy trying to take credit for everything good on earth (including the sun, moon, and stars) may have a little something to do with the hidden figures remaining hidden too.

      • PinkRose

        The HF story should have been required reading at Hampton. Yet I know many “the other HU” grads IN STEM and not one has ever mentioned it. And I think that’s kinda strange.

        • Annalise Keating

          Agreed. Great point. I didn’t go to a HBCU so I didn’t think of things in that angle.

    • Question

      Is it true (I’m asking, I don’t know) that White men pushed for White women in STEM back in the day (40’s-60s)?

      • PinkRose

        Madame Curie for the Nobel Prize. And Rosalind Franklin for the Nobel prize she SHOULD have received for her discoveries in the structure of DNA.

        I have a life off the internet so I don’t have to time or motivation to name more.

      • Annalise Keating

        I don’t know for sure but based on the limited stuff I have read, many (not all) white men didnt really want white women to have equal access to jobs in these fields either. And even in other fields like the arts.

        • Question

          That’s why I asked the question – I heard an interview on Fresh Air with Terri Gross with the author of the first Computer Science textbook written by a woman and she said coming up in the 50s there was almost outright hate for her presence in the field. People would purposely destroy her research papers and manuscripts, throw away her lunch. She said part of the reason why many of the early women pioneers of STEM are so close is they would go to conferences and commiserate together.

          But maybe that was isolated. Or maybe there are other instances of white men pushing for women that don’t get as much attention…

        • Blackberry02

          I’ve come to understand this as well.

      • Janelle Doe

        I can’t comment on the truth of that from back then i do know that gender diversity (white women) seems to be the only diversity discussed in some professions and corporate firms in this day and age.

      • Msmoss

        My mom was a software developer during that time (white, Canadian). She had degrees in chemistry and physics, and took an aptitude test for computers with IBM. Scored the highest they’d ever recorded, but they told her they don’t hire women so maybe she would want to work as a secretary? She said nope. Went on to be a developer elsewhere. Interestingly, she said there were a lot MORE female developers in the early days because men saw it as “soft”, just typing away. Men were more concerned with hardware in those times but since then women have been pushed out and few ppl know about this history, as women seem to get erased, esp WOC.

        • Msmoss

          So basically, no. White men didn’t and don’t particularly uplift or make room for white women’s success. Usually the best they can do is remain neutral.

    • *Church hum* Really? Are you going to go there? REALLY? *CHURCH HUM*

      • PinkRose

        I’ve dealt with FAR more misogyny than racism in my career. Mostly fom African, Indian, most especially Chinese mem now that I do a little programming too.

        Being tallish certainly doesn’t help with the Chinese men, lol!!

        • Annalise Keating

          How can you tell racism from misogyny from non black folks? Honest question here, no sarcasm. Most of the time I really can’t tell. especially since some of the most blatant racist ish I have seen have been from some (NOT saying all) of these Asian folks. It’s like they trying to out racists some of these white folks sometimes.

          Also, what percentage of folks you have crossed paths with in your career have been white (as opposed to Asian)?

          • PinkRose

            Great questions, I’m a Scientist so the majority of folks in my career were White until I crossed over into the computer side of science a few years ago. Now it’s about 50/50, with Whites and Asians.

            That said, I guess the Asian stuff could be a sexism/racism gumbo.

          • Maybe we should just stop trying to parse out the hatred and try to get rid of it all. Heavy task, I admit, but of the biases are all BS anyway.

            • Annalise Keating

              True.

          • Blackberry02

            “It’s like they trying to out racists some of these white folks sometimes.”

            Say.It.Again.

            • Brother Mouzone

              Yep…Asians, Indians, and white Hispanics fit this profile also.

        • You’re right about the misogyny, but you’re eliding cultural differences. STEM fields tend to attract immigrants from culturally conservative places, and that creates tension.

          I spend more time in industry, and the misogyny is much more subtle due to the native born people around. What you’ll see is a woman leading the boring-but-necessary projects, while the dudes get the high profile stuff that leads to press and big raises.

          • PinkRose

            Cultural conservatism as an excuse for blatant misogny is straight bull crap.

            And as a Black woman in STEM, I’m obviously aware of cultural differences, I just no longer make excuses for it.

          • Blackberry02

            “What you’ll see is a woman leading the boring-but-necessary projects, while the dudes get the high profile stuff that leads to press and big raises.”

            For some reason marriage with kids popped in my head after reading this.

            • Women tend to do OK in the biotech industry and in academia… So long as they aren’t married with children. Once the baby comes along, Bad Things Happen, and I’ve seen it countless times. Your marriage metaphor is apt in more ways than one.

              • Blackberry02

                What kind of bad things?

                • Like RIP to any advancement unless you leave the technical side of the business. Also, there’s a lot of machismo in being able to stay late (even if you rarely do it), so the assumption is that a woman with a child is slacking off somehow.

                  • Blackberry02

                    Very true. HF also highlights this as well.

                  • Blackberry02

                    Double-edged sword…

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        Ain’t Pink in her 50’s?
        Let her cook.

    • Global warming is Black men’s fault too.
      The war in Syria.
      Trump’s election.
      The Fall of Constantinople.
      The Saxon loss at Hastings.
      The Peal Harbor attack.
      People calling carbonated beverages “soda”.
      All the fault of dem ebil black mens….

      • Cheech

        *chuckles at the Saxon loss at Hastings*

      • Wise Old Owl

        Yes, any opportunity for For the Black Men Ain’t $hit crew to turn every post into an online-social media gender war…as I stated earlier, this site is full of individuals who truly hate Black Men and should probably seek therapy for their irrational fear, contempt and Misandrynoir towards Black Males…It was White Supremacy and Gender Bias at NASA…not the Black Male Boggie Man, who held the institutional power and influence to deny and prevent Black Girl Magic from shining and winning during the Space Race…although, I am sure there were a few insecure phuckboys who tried to block the Sisters from rising to the top…the vast majority of Black Men supported them back then, just as we support Black Women today.

      • Annalise Keating

        LMAO

  • PinkRose

    Got the book for Christmas and read it in about 4 hours! GREAT read, going to see movie this weekend!

    • Lex

      I did not know there was a book! Good lookin PR!

      • LMNOP

        Neither did I. I want to read it now.

  • Zachary Marcus Cesare Harris
  • Let’s see… I started off an engineering major, ended up with undergraduate and graduate degrees in Biological stuff and threw in a minor in Comp Sci. I’m about this STEM life. I’m going to try to make it between Star Wars and Fences. Failing that, I’m hitting up the DVD. Good for them! And it’s always a particularly isolating h311 being the only Black man in the room. I can imagine how reckless they got with women in the 60s.

    • PinkRose

      You do realize you’ll eventually bump your head on that “White ceiling” without a PhD, right?

      • kingpinenut

        Even with the PhD..

        • Annalise Keating

          Sustained!

          • kingpinenut

            *single tear*

            Lawd let justice rain

        • PinkRose

          Npthing’s ever perfect for Black folks.

          • kingpinenut

            Except our complexion

        • PinkRose

          Yeah but I’d like for Kwanzaagito to not focus on that and become Dr. Kwanzaagito . ;)

        • Blackberry02

          Especially with the PhD.

          White people try to bring you down when you’re at your highest point.

      • I have a masters in Biology. For what I do in industry, that’s fine. Granted, racism is real, but my degrees aren’t going to protect me from that. Also, my publications and developed products have given me a rap sheet and enough cosigns to get me opportunities. Also, I made a point to network to whatever Black people who somehow got in a position of power.

        • PinkRose

          Earning a PhD isn’t about trying to abrogate racism because that’s impossible. It’s about having a credential that can afford a person more options and opportunities.

          So while I was able to get prompted to Lab Director without one, I always recognized the advantages to having one versus not having one. But I also recognize that this isn’t everyone’s goal.

          As for working in Industry, I did that for a while too and for me, it was the worst experience ever. Between all the fudging of data to get drugs to the next clinical trials stage and the “throw your mama under the bus” mentality to get ahead, I was never well suited for it.

          So I sincerely wish you the best there, I personally think the Govt is the best employer for Blacks in STEM and the numbers bear this out.

          • We have different preferences, but I think we can agree that academia SUCKS for Black folk. Without the fear of Congress or the love of cash to mitigate foolishness, academia can wallow in its biases with impunity.

            • PinkRose

              Though I’ve done pretty well in Academia overall, pretty much EVERY work environment is going to kinda suck on some level for Black folks.

              Especially if you have half a brain.

    • The babies are definitely getting this on BluRay this Easter.

  • PriceIsRightHorns
    • GailyTheyRing,WhilePeopleSing

      WhY?

      • PriceIsRightHorns

        Hey Tam! I’m quite tired of the gender wars and having the same convo over and over.

        We started praising HF and then it turned into “well black women destroyed BOA.” I have run out of patience and energy for this.

        • GailyTheyRing,WhilePeopleSing

          Fair enough. To tell the truth I have not been paying close attention to much of the comments.I would scroll through, if something catches my eye I may respond. But the same convo is tiring.

          • PriceIsRightHorns

            It is tiring and it’s disheartening. I can’t speak for the VSBs, but a lot of us ladies pointed out that the support that BOA received is noticeably missing for HF. Some of the responses to our observations have been very telling and in short…WACK.

            • GailyTheyRing,WhilePeopleSing

              Because for some people any criticism or non agreement is automatically negative so defensive poses are needed at once. I have too much to do to engage in some of these inane conversations , but not now. But it is nice ‘seeing’ you though. Hope your season was good.

              • PriceIsRightHorns

                Nice seeing you as well! It’s been wonderful and I hope yours was the same. ?

                • GailyTheyRing,WhilePeopleSing

                  It was tiring and but I was glad for the extra day off, so it was great being able to sleep today and yesterday. Glad you had a good holiday period.

              • Blackberry02

                “Because for some people any criticism or non agreement is automatically negative so defensive poses are needed at once.”

                TRUTH.

          • Janelle Doe

            So glad I read this, people out here threatening to “leave” like if the comments bother you so much don’t read them… or lurk like others do.
            What’s with this “I must type to let you know I will no longer visit” smh
            OAN I like your avi and the names
            :-)

            • GailyTheyRing,WhilePeopleSing

              Thanks dear. Trying to cheer myself up because December was extremely stressful and I love Christmas, come to think of it the next couple of months are going to be stressful too. OAN I didn’t realise you had reply to every comment.

        • Blackberry02

          I agree!

        • Duff Soviet Union

          “We started off praising HF and then it turned into “well black women destroyed BOAN.””

          The best bit about that is that Black women actually saw the movie more than anyone.

        • Brother Mouzone

          Thank you, thank you, thank you!! The gender war thing over EVERY D@MN subject is exhausting.

          • PriceIsRightHorns

            We have to do better.

  • rikyrah

    Like you Panama, I consider myself an educated woman. I consider myself well read with regards to Black history. Yet, I had no idea about these amazing women. I find it insulting that I knew about Bletchley Circle in ENGLAND, years before my own fellow Americans.????

  • Hsquared

    You can hardly enjoy an article on this site without running into the same sorry assed garbage. Damn near every post on the site that rightfully acknowledges black women always has to include a healthy dose of shade toward black men. So, of course, the comment section degenerates into a bunch of dumbassery. The reason we’re such a one step forward two steps backward assed people is because we hate each other. Black men and women hate each other. Black women can’t stand each other. Black men only seem to be cool with each other when they’re mutually engaged in nonsense. Some of you cannibalistic negroes make being black exhausting.

    • We only argue because we love each other.

      • Hsquared

        I really should save comments like this for people who know me and know how much I love my people.

        • You have to admit, you sounded a bit questionable up there. One love #doe.

        • Blackberry02

          I concur.

    • Wise Old Owl

      All day every day on the site…getting to the point that I may have to say goodbye to VSB…I love the articles and the vast majority of the fellow visitors, but there are too many individuals who truly hate and despise Black Men on the site….

      • How the heII did we get to here from Sesame Street?

        • Jennifer

          They must be like those faux black operatives who are trying to bring unrest on Twitter. They turned it up to 11 too quickly.

          *walks away*

          • miss t-lee

            *cackling*

          • fedup

            I love it when the Daria of the group comes out.

            • Blackberry02

              I used to love that show!

        • GailyTheyRing,WhilePeopleSing

          Hey Cog. I am not accepting any responsibility for your name changes, ijs. Hope you had a good season.

          • Even people that don’t like Kwanzaa love the idea of Blackness celebration week.

          • NonyaB?

            Too late, Our Lady of Name Changes!

        • miss t-lee

          Left turn at Albuquerque.

          • I knew we shouldn’t have made that left at Albuquerque…

            • miss t-lee

              It happens just that quickly.
              Now we all hate each other.

              • NonyaB?

                Well, The People’s Bureau has done its part to heal the matter by providing proper highway signage and directions to the lost owl above. Hope other lost souls eating bitterness cereal will be similarly directed.

                • miss t-lee

                  *cackling*

        • NonyaB?

          By missing sign posts on the highway. The People’s Bureau has now rectified the matter by providing proper signage and directions to the lost owl above.

      • TheCollinB

        Whoooo tf are you?
        See what I did there?

        • Wise Old Owl

          Someone, who has no time for tomfoolery…take care and enjoy yourself….see what I did there…not special at all…

      • cyanic

        I don’t. But since I’m a man that’s no consolation to you.

        • Wise Old Owl

          Truth hurts…so let’s engage in youthful personal attacks…thought they went high when others go low…

      • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

        I don’t.

      • Blackberry02

        WOO, you forgot everything that we discussed? Just like that?

        • Wise Old Owl

          Didn’t forget anything….just no time for so called VSS and VSB’s who hate Black Men and think that it is cute to disparage Black Men on a daily basis and then have the nerve to claim that Black Men hate and oppress Black Women…sorry, I have my own opinions and views and don’t follow the group think to make myself feel special and accepted by the Black Men Ain’t $hit crew…

          • Blackberry02

            Ain’t nothing wrong with having your own opinions, WOO. But based upon what I read, you are assuming that when a women expresses HER OPINION about something that she actually experienced, then she somehow is stating that it pertains to all Black men. But, that is not the case. She’s entitled to state her own opinion just like you can.

            It’s also not fair – and quite honestly, it’s hypocritical for you to do, considering what you are claiming.

            “…just no time for so called VSS and VSB’s who hate Black Men and think that it is cute to disparage Black Men on a daily basis and then have the nerve to claim that Black Men hate and oppress Black Women”

            Please show me a particular VSB or VSS who has done this. Yep, state their handle or call out a particular conversation.

            • Wise Old Owl

              Far too many….moreover, many change their usernames…also, I don’t have a problem with anyone having an opinion…we all have them….however, allow me to have my own opinion without being attacked…group think rarely equals independent thought…furthermore, are you going to honestly tell me that it is not an anti or critique of Black Males on the site and a Pro Black Female slant…either way, I was just hoping for a more positive vibe with Very Smart Sistas and Brothas…when can disagree without mocking and belittling each other…

              • Blackberry02

                “Far too many….moreover, many change their usernames…”

                That doesn’t make a difference because if it happened, it happened. Plus, the regulars know when people change their handles. (Did you notice something different about me??) You need to be able to provide an example. Here, at VSB, we ALWAYS have receipts for any claim that we make. And if you don’t have one, then it’s considered an assumption – at best.

                “…however, allow me to have my own opinion without being attacked…”

                Are you saying that I’m attacking (or have attacked) you? Or, are you saying that someone else has?

                If it’s the latter, provide a screenshot of the convo, if Disqus won’t let you repost. If it’s the former, I apologize. I was probably hungry as I was typing.

                “…furthermore, are you going to honestly tell me that it is not an anti or critique of Black Males on the site and a Pro Black Female slant…”

                Anti-black males is NOT the same as a critique of Black males. No one knows every single Black person to be able to assess all of their behaviors, so you could not (with statistical significance) make a claim that all members of one group act a certain way.

                (Remember how I was able to correctly guess that you were APhiA? I made that determination based upon the other Alphas that I know, who mirror your way of thinking – or at least, as evidenced by our conversations. Now, do I believe ALL of the Alphas act like you? Of course not…well, I hope not. Lol. :wink:)

                As for VSB, I would say the posts intially were geared towards men/men’s issues when I first started lurking (two to three years ago). I definitely remember not seeing any posts about women or women related issues until about 1.5 years ago or so. I just chocked it up to it being a site ran by two men. However, that doesn’t mean they never did, either. I wasn’t consistently on the site since its inception, so they very well may have; I just may have missed it.

                “…when can disagree without mocking and belittling each other…”

                I’m sorry that you have been mocked or belitted, as that’s not something I’ve seen too much of. Typically, those that get roasted are rude, disrespectful, and/or just tone deaf to the conversation.

                But, what I WILL suggest is that you provide definitive examples (e.g. posts, conversations) of the “pro-female slant” and/or “anti-Black male” agenda. As of right now, the only examples that you’ve given were from OTHER sites, not VSB.

      • NonyaB?

        You know what’s better than threatening to leave? Actually leaving.
        You’re always such a fount of positivity and we’re clearly all beneath
        you, so why are you still here?

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/274e111e5491d70784c0944888a15f46d845e14006275b1aa8590d4a0dbbdc24.gif

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/caf7c97fb3c6c14fbfd3471fb3c6eb78a8edc2c77a30b1647a062af73143de0d.gif

        • Blackberry02

          Yes, Queen!

        • Mary Burrell

          Yes to this.

        • Wise Old Owl

          Very mature….How dare a Black Man have an independent thought and don’t agree with the group think that Black Men ain’t $hit….sorry, but this Black Man does not run from keyboard bullies….so, keep your fingers yourself….

    • TheCollinB

      Is that what the problem is?…it only took you a paragraph to break that down fam. You should start a blog about it.

      • Hsquared

        Or become a freelance guidance counselor.

    • miss t-lee

      *cue the violins*

      • Hsquared

        You got me with that one.

      • PinkRose

        And some cheese to go with the whine.

    • Val

      Only 3 comments ever? Interesting.

      • PinkRose

        ‘Nother username.

    • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

      Your time could be done here. With the exception of a couple of folks, none of the folks regularly post here that did so when I started reading. Of course some of them got mad because the editors wouldn’t ban folks at their demand. I didn’t take this to be that kind of site. Guess their mamas never taught them one monkey don’t stop no show. In essence I figured it was time for that crew to roll out. This is about exposure for the editors, education (at least for me) for some, comradery for others, a pastime during the workday for most, even a place to vent. In essence extract what you can for what it’s worth. Beyond that your time here could be done. I mean no disrespect.

      I’ve plateaued with folks, sites, etc. I knew then it was time.

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