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It’s A Low Down Dirty Shame What Remy Ma Did To That Nicki Girl From Queens

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When I heard direct shots cast at Remy Ma on Gucci Mane & Nicki’s reconciliatory collab “Make Love”, three words immediately came to mind: are you dumb?

Apparently Remy felt similarly – and on Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 1:03 PM  EST, one Onika Tanya Maraj got her entire life snatched in just under 7 minutes by the Queen of Castle Hill, Reminisce Mackie, in a comprehensive takedown that was the result of a decade of tension by arguably two of the most visible female rappers today.

My love for Remy is no secret. I’ve stanned for her since she came on the scene on Big Pun’s Yeah Baby with the underrated track “Ms. Martin“, and followed that up in the same year with the “Ante Up Remix” – a song that is permanently on my gym playlist (as is the “Girlfight” remix). I still toe whop  to “Whuteva” when the mood strikes. Just a couple months ago, I flawlessly performed the seminal classic “Conceited” during a lipsync/karaoke challenge.

I was verklempt when she was sentenced to 8 years for exacting street justice against a girlfriend who robbed her, and still wonder what would have been her career trajectory if she hadn’t been robbed of her momentum on the heels of two hit singles. I’m sure this is something Nicki wonders as well – when Remy went in to do her bid, the two were publicly squabbling over what Remy perceived to be a shot at her on a freestyle.

As the years passed, it seemed that both women had decided to leave their bygones behind with their curly weave/straight bang pack hair combo and remain cordial. Nicki catapulted to superstardom, going from recording freestyles on project staircases to becoming a pop crossover sensation in the houses of high school fans everywhere – bye bye, “Beam Me Up Scotty”, hello “Super Bass”. And while Remy’s music upon her initial release had a few false starts (me and maybe 4 other people listened to her I’m Around mixtape), she eventually hit her second wind, recording the Grammy-nominated “All the Way Up” (with Jay on the remix), appearing on the West Coast leg on the Formation Tour to  extremely positive receptions, and branding her and her husband as debatably the strongest example of Black Love on Reality TV (as opposed to Yandy Smith’s ‘non-marriage’ to an adulterous felon).

By all indications, the two rappers now exist in different lanes, serve separate fanbases, and should coexist without issue save for the occasional sub (which I frankly don’t mind, if it keeps both women a bit competitive). It’s this fact that makes it all the more befuddling that Nicki took it upon herself to launch the first grenade:

“You the queen of this here?/One platinum plaque, album flopped, bitch, where? /Hahaha, ahhhhh/I took two bars off just to laugh/You see, silly rabbit, to be the queen of rap/You gotta sell records, you gotta get plaques/S, plural like the S on my chest/Now sit your dumbass down, you got an F on your test”

Listen to the song for yourself. It’s largely a middling verse. I mean, she rhymes “Nas” with “nahs” and “knives”. And she took two bars off just to laugh, which might be the most laughable way to create filler since Wayne had that three year stretch of correcting himself after mispronouncing words (go to Google and type “Wayne” and “oops I meant”). I would think that if you were going to declare war against a woman who shot her friend twice in the stomach, you would come with a tighter assault than that, but as they say, hindsight is 20/20.

Less than 48 hours later, Remy got on wax and addressed in no particular order: Nicki’s butt shots, using ghostwriters, switching from crew to crew to get on, her 360 deal and inflated sales, her deflated buttshots, her previous proclaimed fandom of Remy, stealing Remy’s lines, abandoning Safaree, general disloyalty, her pedophile brother, her fake goon status, alleged drug use, stunts on Mariah, Taylor, and Miley, selling a dangerous body image, instigating beef between Meek  and Drake, Foxy Brown’s hearing loss, her stupid ass chicken wing necklace, and flipped the Back to Back cadence to dismiss Nicki’s internet antics.

In short, it was the most comprehensive diss I’ve heard since “Takeover.” Every time I run the track back (I’m easily on twentysomething listens) I hear something new. I fully expect to discover some other rumor that Meek leaked to Remy that I was too busy screaming aloud to notice on my next play.

When it comes to disses, two things matter: content and punchline delivery. Remy hit on both. Take “Nas” and “nahs” or the “S” in plaques and compare it to this:

I’m sayin’, how you mix Nicki with a Minaj?/I’ma park this bitch, put Nicki in the garage/I’m gettin’ money like Nicky Barnes, I’m the big homie/I responded in less than 48 Hours; Nick Nolte/Gettin’ close like Nick Jonas, grippin’ the gauge/Then blaze off, Face Off, bitch, Nicolas Cage/You animated like Nickelodeon, you fake, bitch/Only the kids believe in you; you St. Nick/Now when I shoot Nick at Nite, they won’t understand it/I’m Wild’n Out, ’bout to hit Nick with the Cannon

Or this:

And stop talkin’ numbers, you signed a 360 deal through Young Money, through Cash Money, through Republic/Which means your money go through five niggas before you touch it/Any videos, promotions come out of your budget/Endorsements, tour and merchandise, they finger-fuck it/You make, like, 35 cents off of each ducat/I own my masters, bitch, independent/So for every sale I do, you gotta do like ten/Stop comparin’ yourself to Jay, you not like him/You a motherfuckin’ worker, not a boss like Rem

….nigga MY feelings are hurt and I didn’t even do nothing to Remy. Whew.

As of writing this, we have yet to get an official response from Nicki Minaj, short of a few deleted tweets to Trey Songz and mentions of album sales that Remy already addressed. It’s safe to say that Onika was served a very sizable L-shaped two-piece, no biscuit; and frankly, while Nicki has certainly had a more successful career than Remy, I don’t think there has ever been a point where she could outrap her, so I am not especially hype for any significant come back that Nickelodeon could deliver. Everyone has their day and Nick Nolte was handed hers.

In the grand scheme of things, this is unlikely to hit St. Nick that hard – at this point, her staple fan base isn’t one that cut their teeth in the late 90s/early aughts era of rap that would have a diss of this magnitude make or break your career, and her crossover content will largely be unaffected. However, this is a major win for Remy, who has struggled to reconcile the rap game she left with the one that she is now walking into. She managed to dominate an entire weekend by leveraging the grit she has always had against a competitor who for the last several years has claimed the top spot nearly by default; in an industry that has the attention span of a hummingbird, she managed to flip the Aubrey-style internet stunt culture on its head by refocusing the debate to content and skill as opposed to retweets, let us and Nicki know in her own words, “don’t ever in your life fucking play with me.” That is no easy feat, and I can only hope to see her capitalize on this momentum in a way that she wasn’t able to a decade ago.

RIP Rap Nicki Minaj. Long live Queen Remy. Buy “Shether” on Itunes.

Shamira Ibrahim

Shamira is a twentysomething New Yorker who likes all things Dipset. You can join her in waxing poetically about chicken, Cam'ron, and gentrification (gotta have some balance) under the influence of varying amounts of brown liquor at her semi-monthly blog, shamspam.tumblr.com

  • Michelle is my First Lady

    I don’t think Nicki can take it there with Remy. Which is probably why she hasn’t responded yet. The only thing she can really hit low on is Remy’s miscarriage and that’s like opening a can of worms tbh.

    • Blueberry01

      …and Remy can fire back with Nicki’s abortion…

  • HouseOfBonnets

    Also some are now saying that Nicki was addressing Azealia Banks…. Thoughts? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7b724f1105042e598f028cbbc537204c609f88be63c914d29b3393fb7fb87d7.png

    • Courtney Wheeler

      Could be…but Azealia isn’t really worth it. She’s like the black Tila Tequila…Just talks nonsense on Twitter.

      But it sounds like Remy’s been feeling a certain way about Nikki for awhile…

    • Why would she bother with Iggy? That horse was sent to the glue factory long ago.

      • PhlyyPhree

        Azaleia (however you spell it) Banks, not the Australian wonder how she got from under.

        • I forgot there were two of them.

          • PhlyyPhree

            Most people do.

            • miss t-lee

              *cackling*

          • miss t-lee

            Yup. Two different spellings too.

    • miss t-lee

      These must be Nicki’s fans, the Barbz- trying to spin this narrative.

    • Negro Libre
      • miss t-lee

        The ugly laugh I just did looking at this picture.

        • MsSula

          Same af!!!

      • Bah Debo

        This… Is beautiful

    • God Shammgod

      her barbz are doing anything to distract from the L. Delusional.

      • HouseOfBonnets
        • God Shammgod

          If it was for Azealia then why did Nicki immediately post up (and delete) information about Remy’s sales? Silly rabbits. lol

          • HouseOfBonnets

            This.

          • Kylroy

            If you’re gonna try to switch targets, you got to commit to that decision from word one. Can’t call a do over when your first shot back is a miss.

            • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

              My 4 and 6 year olds don’t even get away with that.

    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

      If I meant Azealia, but someone took it as meant for them. I would just change targets, if I was about that life. Half of rap beefs start over misunderstandings because the artists and the fans are messy like that.

      • Kylroy

        Yeah, but…if somebody decides to take a bullet meant for the least respected artist in modern hip-hop, wouldn’t you instantly win the beef by just pointing that out and laughing? Folks are having to bust out their tinfoil hats to find a different target.

        • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

          You can only laugh it off if it’s clear the person isn’t on your level. Nobody will give Nicki the benefit of that doubt.

    • TheUnsungStoryteller

      Gee, I forgot all about Azealia Banks.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        Unfortunately same

    • No Google

      Please, Azealia is on nobody’s radar. Nicki was definitely throwing shots at Remy.

  • TheCollinB

    +1 for toe whopping to “Whatever”.

    That was a 106 and Park dance move.

  • HouseOfBonnets

    you signed a 360 deal through Young Money, through Cash Money, through Republic/Which means your money go through five n***** before you touch it/Any videos, promotions come out of your budget/Endorsements, tour and merchandise, they finger fuck it/You make, like, 35 cents off of each ducat/I own my masters, b****, independent/So for every sale I do, you gotta do like ten/

    Once again want to point out that the math was done before she stepped in the booth……Brilliant.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/89868d9076f3c30beb43070fbfac58ae60522a904de124295ec9e466bf6778f6.gif

    • TheCollinB

      These are the type of records that let you know people been feelin some kinda way for a minute. That “don’t play with me” line is always telling.

      • MsCee

        Like “bih, you know I know things that you don’t want other people to know” (insert don’t play with me face)

        • TheCollinB

          The infamous “you know who did you know what with you know who, but let’s keep that between me and you” from Takeover

    • MsCee

      Playing devils advocate here. I understand that owning your own masters is essential in the music industry BUT I mean come on, would you rather own Remy’s masters OR be one of those five getting a cut off the Nicki block?

      • miss t-lee

        I’d rather own my master’s.

        • Professor

          when you own your masters and your publishing you get most every dollar off of your sales, and if it gets sampled, played in a movie etc you get a cut. That’s why E-40 told Jive to beat it for years because he was making as much selling 25k out his trunk as he would going plat with Jive. Remy will also get something else from this that people aren’t factoring in. Features. She is flames right now so what she could charge for a feature is definitely going up.

          • miss t-lee

            Exactly.
            You eat off that forever.

            • Question

              If you eat at all…

              • miss t-lee

                Calculated risk.

          • Madam CJ_Skywalker

            Yea, but Remy also came out after artists were hip (older and wiser) to the lie that is 360 deals.
            Everyone was signing them, including Nicki.
            Im 75% sure that Remy woulda signed one if she was out at the time.

            • wilmings

              Remy been out since like ’99. First official album 05? Singles before that. She been “out”. What are you saying?

          • TheCollinB

            She’s not gonna be getting feature request. The game is different. She’s not gonna be on the Sremmurd/Migos records that are released as singles. She may do some NY joints but nobody is paying her for it.

            • wilmings

              You are crazy

              • TheCollinB

                It sounds crazy but you have to understand the feature game. Most features are favor for favor. While Remy did put Minaj in a blender no selling rap act is going to reach to Remy for a feature because she doesn’t have a big enough draw fans wise….you get features when you’re trying to reach a fan base or your doing a favor. Nobody is about to pay Remy serious money for a feature. Maybe some local folks that pay in paper bags but that’s about it.

                She can still rap her a s s off tho.

                • Judith Lewis

                  Yes, they will, for she walked out of prison with a plan and she is executing it very, very well. She is real, no fake and she will pull in people that have never listen to rap. She has a story to tell and her message is from the heart. She does not have time for foolishness, that is why I do not understand why Nicki came at her. She is tired of being poked at by media and the industry. So anybody that comes for, she is going to explode on them. She has seven years of material just waiting on them. GO REMY, GO REMY

              • MsSula

                Agreed. That’s crazy talk.

          • miss t-lee

            This is the same reason a lot independent rappers kept themselves independent. Keep all the money.

            • Nik White

              See Chance the Rapper

              • miss t-lee

                And many others before him.

              • Question

                And the 9,000 that came before him whom we have never heard of?

          • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

            She still seeing cuts from features on anti-up remix. It may not be massive, but that joint is used in soundtracks.

          • Question

            A lot of what ifs. Not saying Nikki did it the right way but only time will tell. For now, Nikki seems to be doing aiight.

          • Mary Burrell

            This is fascinating me right now. I can’t believe I am wanting to learn about this genre of music. But whether it’s HipHop or Pop or whatever one needs to know how to make this a lucrative business.

        • All day.

          • miss t-lee

            Yes Lawd.

      • TheCollinB

        Nicki block. Only time owning your masters works well is when you’re a selling act. Otherwise you just own them for personal reasons.

        • MsCee

          My point exactly and Remy is talented but is she moving units like Nicki? That’s a real question.

          • Wizznilliam

            I think that is the point though.. She don’t have to move Nicki units.. She can move a tenth of the amount and make just as much from record sales. Can she sell out arena on the live show side? Probably not. But she don’t really have to do that either since she is getting most of that profit too.

            • Michelle

              Plus, Nicki is signed to Cash Money, which has a reputation for swindling their acts with a ‘Pebbles-like’ deal.

            • Not to mention this isn’t about sales, this is about credibility as an emcee. That’s the measuring stick. Real emcees are nervous for Minaj on a hip hop level. They know she’ll be fine monetarily. This is about the art of rap. And everyone is trying to move away from that because if they were honest, they’d have to admit – by that measure – Nik been suspect as of late.

        • esa

          but what if you end up like folks out here: selling and making someone else rich, while you own nothing ?

          • Madam CJ_Skywalker

            Yea, but your assuming that Nicki has both the want to do so and the ability to do so.
            There are some benefits to working with a label, especially if you don’t want to do the leg work of creating, marketing, and booking all of you own stuff.
            Its hard.

            • esa

              i’m not speaking about Nikki specifically. just curious why an artist would give away both their profits and their rights. especially in this era. contracts are made to be negotiated.

              • TheCollinB

                Word to Birdman

              • Negro Libre

                She doesn’t have a lot of leverage.

                • esa

                  that’s very telling.

                  • Negro Libre

                    She hasn’t built a team around herself.

                    • Madam CJ_Skywalker

                      She has a team of Yes Men….

                    • T.Q. Fuego

                      who?

                    • Negro Libre

                      Nicki Minaj

                    • T.Q. Fuego

                      Oh ok. Hopefully she knows how to invest though. If I had 1/10th of her funds I’d be set for life by year 5 based on what I know about investing (although she probably has a lot less time to make that happen at this point).

              • Madam CJ_Skywalker

                Ah. I get where you’re coming from.
                But that’s with the assumption that most of them are business/book smart, and I don’t wanna give them all that.
                Once contracts are involved, coupled with a whole bunch of people promising you fame and money, I think most mainstream artists just trust that their labels will look out for them, which is not the case.
                Artists (and most ppl) are not taught financial or business literacy. So can we be surprised that they continue signing their life away?

                • MsCee

                  That part. Also, add in the fact that some artist are really only here for the fame and popularity…bad deal be dam n e d.

                • esa

                  i dont expect artists to be business savvy beyond hiring a lawyer who is. to not even have that basic wisdom after all the True Hollywood Stories we’ve seen ..

                  • Madam CJ_Skywalker

                    I agree.
                    But most of the time they hire lawyers from the label, cause they don’t know any entertainment lawyers themselves.
                    The dont understand that them lawyers are there in order to protect and grow the assets of the label and not look out for the artist.
                    Word to Combat Jack.

                    • esa

                      its telling that they would overlook the importance of self protection when entering into an industry notorious for sharks. but i’m the paranoid type.

                    • Madam CJ_Skywalker

                      You need to start consulting the youth.
                      We need all the help we can get

                    • esa

                      i would love to. i guest lectured at SVA last week and i remembered how much i love talking to students. it’s feels so good to give back ~*~

                  • Kylroy

                    To be fair, that may just mean you get scammed by the lawyer.

                    • esa

                      everyone is vulnerable at some level, but without any sort of vetting process, you’re just setting yourself up. at some point, people have to be responsible for what they sign their names to.

                      i had an artist say to my face, “i dont read contracts, i’m an artist.” ohh how my tongue bled that day.

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      You should have rubbed your hands together like Birdman, then perhaps he would have figured out how stupid he sounded.

                    • esa

                      art books tho. the real money is not in the product, it’s in the parlay.

                • Negro Libre

                  50 cent was pretty business savvy and he was able to make a lot of dough in the process. It’s not necessarily a matter of being educated about business, as it is about having good business instincts. After all, John D. Rockefeller never finished high school.

                  • Kylroy

                    Given his inability to manage income vs. outgo, not sure I’d put a lot of stock in 50 Cent’s business savvy.

                    • Negro Libre

                      True, making money and managing money are indeed 2 different skill sets. Probably explains why corporations separate investors from managers.

                  • Madam CJ_Skywalker

                    Eh. Yes, I will give you 50.
                    However, I believe one can be taught business intellect. If provided with adequate resources…

                    • T.Q. Fuego

                      Why wouldn’t one teach one’s self though? Some artists did it before 2000 (when the Internet wasn’t really a helpful resource), there’s no excuse not to educate yourself these days. It’s the Information Age. Even Soulja Boy figured out how to get rich from dancing.

                    • Negro Libre

                      That’s kind of my point, education is fine and dandy, but an education more times than not is something you seek, and nowhere is that more apparent than when it comes to money.

                    • T.Q. Fuego

                      Yeah man. I’ve seen too many dudes who barely finished high school (or didn’t finish) do well financially just because they cared enough about figuring it out to teach themselves financial literacy and/or entrepreneurism. So I know it’s possible. It’s more of a function of common sense, creativity, courage (ie;risk tolerance), and persistence. I got a laundry list of complaints about this era, but lack of opportunity to educate one’s self is NOT one of em. It’s the biggest advantage we have over our (often times harder working) parents and grandparents.

                    • Madam CJ_Skywalker

                      Getting famous dancing and learning about money and contracts are two different things. Some ppl spend yrs in grad programs to learn about the latter.
                      Another factor I mentioned below is that alot of the lawyers in entertainment know these young artists are not financially literate and prey on that.
                      I’d say that most Americans aren’t well versed financially, so idt it’s fair to frame this as a prob solely on artists.

                    • T.Q. Fuego

                      It was a typo, I meant to say get rich from dancing. And he did. It wasn’t an accident. He took an alternative route and it was part common sense and part timing. Point is you don’t need expensive schooling to learn this stuff. To your other point, of course lawyers and companies pray on people’s ignorance. That’s called Capitalism. Which is why no one can afford to be financially ignorant.

                      “I’d say that most Americans aren’t well versed financially,”

                      Then they better get their sh*t together or be prey.

                      “idt it’s fair to frame this as a prob solely on artists. ”

                      The companies take sole responsibility for getting as much as they can from each artist, so the artists better take sole responsibility for getting as much from their art as they can. #realworld101 #learnhowtonegotiate

                    • Madam CJ_Skywalker

                      Aye. I hear you, and believe this should be taught in school.
                      But currently it’s not. My point was that I can see how these artists don’t see the value in owning their own and sign bad deals.
                      I don’t agree, but I understand, and don’t deride them for things I know they don’t know.

                    • T.Q. Fuego

                      Yeah, I understand too. and I don’t deride them either, but also don’t pity them because most artists don’t even get a deal opportunity to screw up in the first place. I’m praying that more artists wisen up and take advantage of the era we’re in.

                  • I_AmU

                    He didn’t need to. He chose the route of being a robber baron B.K.A. a thief, cheat. liar and bully. Oh and also a wyipo male.

                  • Mary Burrell

                    Michael Jackson and Prince were very business savvy

            • God Shammgod

              fair point, but then they always come around on the back end after realizing how badly they get fleeced. See: Wayne, Lil.

              • miss t-lee

                This is how episodes of Unsung happen.

                • Madam CJ_Skywalker

                  and literally all biopics of musicians.
                  Has anyone famous not been had?

                  • miss t-lee

                    Folks who have their own counsel rarely get fleeced. However, most folks are young and have stars in their eyes, and ignore the business part of the business.
                    …and get got.

                    • Madam CJ_Skywalker

                      Very true.
                      How many young artists in r&b/hip hop have the access to proper counsel coming into the game?

                    • miss t-lee

                      I’m not sure, but you’d be dumb not to have it.
                      Ain’t nobody looking out for you, but you.

                    • esa

                      especially since a good lawyer wants to get that contract signed and will negotiate rights and terms you never allowed yourself to imagine.

                    • miss t-lee

                      Amen.

                  • MsCee

                    My line of thinking on how this happens is “Hey, MsCee would you rather keep working your day job ORRRRRR take a third of this here mega millions powerball? Ummm where do I sign up for my third of that powerball lol?

              • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

                Exactly…when expense are recouping out of your gross sales, or licensing fees, that’s where the 360 deal gets ugly for the artist, no matter the numbers they are doing.

          • TheCollinB

            In Remy’s case her music as it stands wouldn’t make anyone rich. Until 360’s artist main way of eating was doing shows, and since Remy is independent she can’t eat off her shows. But if I had to pick I’d rather make money off of Nicki because she generates more.

          • MsCee

            I would think that in the early days most artists aren’t thinking long term. A piece of any figurative millions you could potentially make has to sound great when you aren’t used to thousands much less some real M’s.

            • miss t-lee

              Bingo. Looking for the quick money…not the long money.

            • Madam CJ_Skywalker

              Facts

            • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

              100% of zero don’t pay the bills.

              • MsCee

                That sums this whole thing up. Thanks, Kas.

              • Knowledge god. Like that LL line 99% of your fans don’t exist.

            • esa

              i think it depends on the artist. case in point: Master P.

              • MsCee

                Percy is a a whole other league. He the Steve Jobs of this record label ish.

                • esa

                  okay, here’s a more recent example: Chance the Rapper.

        • Facts. What Remy Ma song are people still going to be playing 5 years now? Lean Back is it thus far.

          • Ante Up & All the way up. All hip hop classics. What hip hop classics does Minaj have? Oh that “remake” of Baby Got Back. I’m not saying Minaj isn’t selling but her credibility as hip hop emcee is minimal.

            • Two tracks in a 15 year career ain’t much. Remy MA isn’t exactly a rap legend.

              • Remy’s respected. Its not about the hits. She’s respected as a battler and a NY hip hop figure who’s been on colossal summer anthems that are the heart of the culture. Call it what you will but lyricists respect her as an emcee from Jada to Nas to Busta on down the line.
                Minaj is respected for the crossover & the money it earned, the imagery (a style she stole & built on). That’s cool. But what is her real hip hop hit? Only? Roman’s Revenge?
                Really?

                • I think you’re greatly exaggerating her importance and respect in hip hop

                  • Not really. I don’t know a hip hop head who would say different.

              • Again you miss the point. it’s not the # of hit records its the impact of those records. Ante Up still gets played! All the way up is another summer banger. Its impacting the lingo and integrated with hip hop culture. Those things matter in hip hop.

                What Minaj track has ever been what either of those two songs were to hip hop culture? Maybe Roman’s Revenge…maybe.

                With Shether, Remy Ma has made herself legendary – with her rhyme. People are online breaking down her lyrics, stopping & rewinding to react to what she said. Its the same thing we did we when were 15 listening to Red Alert & Mr. Magic taping off the radio. Shether is historical, arguably the roughest dis record by a female MC ever and up there with some of the best dis records by the fellas. It will live on in hip hop infamy and I’m not gassing that. Minaj will be tied to this song and she won’t escape it when her story is told either. That’s just how it is. Vanilla Ice sold, Young MC sold, Hammer sold, Tone Loc sold, Warren G sold, that never been the end all be all with hip hop and its still not.

                • Legendary? You have an extremely low bar.

                  • Ha…you funny.

                    Everybody from Jada to Nas to Fabulous to Budden commenting. Lyricists. This dominated the NY airwaves, hip hop and spilled into pop culture getting discussed on daytime talk shows. What female did record you know has commotion in the culture since maybe Shante?

        • Dandy Terry

          i can’t with you “you just own them for personal reasons” LOL

      • HouseOfBonnets

        I mean I interpreted the line to mean that although money comes in Nicki gets barely a third of it. Of course I would take my share of her assets.

      • Wizznilliam

        Yea… But she ain’t one of those five and she is putting in the work. If I’m putting in the work then I want to own my masters and sell it however I please and get a bigger chunk of the proceeds. It ain’t like Itunes, Google Music, YouTube Music, Pandora, Spotify, etc don’t exist. What do you need the record companies for? Make your own independent streaming deals. Nicki is like ol’ school Prince with the “Slave” tattoo on his face.

      • Shay-d-Lady

        Just like to point out that a 360 deal does not mean Nicki does not maintain ownership of her masters. She may still have a majority cut.. and they all make money, INCLUDING her, which means she would still make money of licensing and publishing as well. most of the time all artists, independent or not license off a portion of their ownership and/or percentage of profit to publishing companies that are the primary vehicle for ad, tv, and film placements. Im not saying that Nicki does or doesnt, but Jay Z has a 360 deal as well and maintains majority ownership. its not an either or situation.

        • MsCee

          Yeah, thanks to Remy I went down the deep dark hole of researching and reading up on what exactly a 360 deal is. Sounds horrific, but I guess every cloud has a silver lining.

        • The problem isn’t the 360 part as much as the Young Money through Cash Money through Republic part. Jay Z deals directly with everyone he has a 360 deal with, so he can maintain ownerships and negotiate stakes. Nicki has to negotiate a negotiated deal through a negotiated deal. In other words, her cut is dependent on how bad the people up the line have gotten beat.

          • Shay-d-Lady

            regardless we dont know the terms of her deal though and we actually dont know if she splits the fees or if the cash money splits the fees. She can be signed to cash money and they get a percentage and then those percentages are shared with their partnership.

            im just reiterating the song is a diss it aint a learning manual or facts

      • wilmings

        She’s a slave like Wayne. And she’s below Wayne sooo…

      • Objection

        Playing devils advocate here.

        Ray Charles says never play with the devil. Own your masters. If you own your masters, your great grandkids can get paid from your work.

    • Mary Burrell

      Well looks like she understands the business end of the industry. This Remy/Nicky business reminds me of the world of Lucious and Cookie and all the shenanigans on Empire.

    • Other_guy13

      LOL Hidden Figures indeed

  • MsCee

    Lawd, this pic. Made me re-live the turrrible days when people thought two toned weaves was the move.

    • miss t-lee

      It was always a bad look. I never understood it…lol

      • MsCee

        Right, and broke as I was there was nooooo way I was gonna be buying not 1 but 2 packs of colored hair. Ish is expensive, 1B and all the other solid colors are the move lol.

        • miss t-lee

          I’ve always kept it a 2,or a 4/30 when I’m feeling saucy.

          • MsSula

            4/30 was my ish. Lol.

            • miss t-lee

              It’s a mood. ?

  • TheCollinB

    Can I use this as a platform just to advocate for battle rap in general? Remy was in battle heavy then left to do music. She’s been seen at events since being released and this entire track is a round from a rap battle. From the personal angle to the name flips

    Here’s Reminisce handing Lady Luck her a s s
    https://youtu.be/aUNW60ACUDo

    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

      Never heard this before. Remy is taking her apart. If I was Lady Luck, I would have just swung on Remy.

      • miss t-lee

        And I remember Luck being pretty decent, just no match for Remy #doe.

        • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

          Luck is not bad at all, but Remy is just rolling up on her like the ocean.

          • miss t-lee

            Exactly.

      • Quirlygirly

        I remember when I first saw this. Luck put up a good fight but Remy was just killing her.

        • TheCollinB

          Which is really why I wish Remy would step in and battle just one more time.

      • TheCollinB

        Remy was nonplussed the entire time. Luck was rapping for her life.

        • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

          For good reason

      • TheUnsungStoryteller

        I’ve always loved her voice. But, She was 21 years old back then?

    • HouseOfBonnets

      Currently watching this thanks for the plug.

      • TheCollinB

        No prob. there are better instances of people not being able to punch lines with the gods. I could throw some more up.

        • HouseOfBonnets

          I mean I ain’t doing nothing for the next two days but prepping the testing needed for this windows migration.

    • God Shammgod

      it’s interesting how split people are on who won this battle. lot of Lady Luck truthers out there.

      • TheCollinB

        I heard Remy talking about this battle and she said that she got a call like 20 mins prior to come battle Luck. She did that to that girl with 20 mins prep…..Rem was a bad mother fucker.

        • PinkRose

          Yeah right, her and her team planned this since day 1 incarceration.

          • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

            We are talking about a different rap battle.

      • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

        Really? How?

    • HouseOfBonnets

      Like this is amazing to watch….riveting.

      • TheCollinB

        I put another one up top.

    • I_AmU

      Reminds me of battles that went down at “The Fever” in the Bronx in the ’80’s or on the sidewalk outside the records store. R.I.P. Mr. Magic.

    • MsSula

      I don’t watch LHH, but the snippets of Remy Ma and Papoose I see are too cute for words. I like them together.

      • TheCollinB

        2 years ago I think.

    • Miles

      Exactly…these was battle Rap bars. Remy DOES this. The whole middle of the song were Nicki name flips. Nicki has no incentive (except pride) to clap back. She wasn’t outrapping Remy even when she was more of a rapper and less of a pop artist earlier in her career. Her core fan base will be unaffected by this whole situation. Remy’s already teased another song “Child’s Play” so she has another ready to go if Nicki responds. Remy gets a little buzz off of this though because SHeEther is currently outperforming “Make Love” on itunes. I’m a Remy fan and not a Nicki fan but objectively Nicki can just take this lump without responding and the people who buy her albums will mostly forget about it (if they even know) when her next video comes out (she’s filming it) and they see whatever crazy outfit she’s wearing showing her financed and paid for derriere

  • will_the_thrill

    Let me tell you. I’m a lawyer, and this Ms. Mackie anticipated and addressed counter-arguments. That’s the kind of stuff you learn in appellate advocacy courses. Amazing!

    • TheCollinB

      I’m telling you the skills she employed is battle rap 101. She had rebuttals to things that didn’t even come up yet.

      • Curtis Coleman

        Her bars were so good she that she “ethered” “Ether”.

      • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

        Exactly. She anticipated future lines of attach and cut them off by dealing with the 360 deal facts.

        • Tamera Jacobs

          She basically 8 miled the track so theres nothing Nikki could say it was a master class in a track.

      • Miles

        Yup, I call them Pre-buttals. Loaded Lux is the king of that…anticipating what someone might say then responding to it beforehand.

  • DcLover

    Like they say -I don’t have a spice in this soup- but I’m curious to know what The finality is . Seems to me this was inevitable Remy ma needs Nicki more than Nicki needs her . After spending close to a decade away she needs a hit album FAST or else this diss will be seen as the barks of a toothless dog

    • HouseOfBonnets

      I mean Rem is already seeing a positive boost in addition to what she was already doing (It’s not like she isn’t visible given her last year). The album she just released with fat joe (eyeroll because he is irritating) moved up in the itunes top 10 over the weekend plus she’s still doing promo. Even if she did plan this for press it’s working….I applaud it.

      • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

        I listened to the album. It is pretty good, but this press most certainly is helping the numbers.

        • HouseOfBonnets

          Marketing 101

    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

      Will be replacing my “dog in the fight” with your “spice in the soup”.

  • MsCee

    Bruh, lmfao at the Lil Wayne shade. I remember that dark and low point in his career. #neverforget

  • Professor

    Nicki talking money is the equivalent to Floyd Mayweather getting a vicious beating in the ring and talking to Larry Merchant and saying “Yeah but I’m richer than him!” Lace em up Nicki…

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