Principle Schminciple: The stupidity of the “You dated my friend, so you’re off-limits forever” argument

Even he just made a better decision than the “principled” people usually do.

While in a Giant Eagle check-out aisle last weekend, a noticed a picture of Scarlett Johansson—who, along with Natalie Portman, mans the backcourt on “The Champ’s Favorite Non-Black Actresses All-Star Team“—on the front of a tabloid, below a title that said something like “Scarlett Scorned” or “Johansson Jolted.” (I can’t remember which.)

Concerned with the health of my starting shooting guard, I picked up the magazine and read that Johansson, who divorced Ryan Reynolds—an actor best known for saying quite possibly the best movie insult of all-time—a month ago, was deeply upset that Reynolds was now dating Sandra Bullock. (The rumor is that Reynolds and Bullock became, um, “close” on the set of “The Proposal“)

Thing is, apparently the fact that Reynolds moved on so quickly didn’t upset Johansson as much as the fact that Johansson and Bullock were actually pretty good friends beforehand; a fact that’ll surely make at least 81% of the women reading this say “The nerve of that treacherous bitch!!!

My thoughts about the situation? Well, for one I think this (“Reynolds moving on so quickly didn’t upset Johansson as much as the fact that Johansson and Bullock were pretty good friends beforehand”) is bullsh*t. Whenever someone says they’re upset because of who their recent ex is dating and not because they’re dating at all, they’re f*cking lying. Granted, there are people who don’t care about when their exes start dating again and who they actually date when they do, and these people don’t care because they really don’t care.

People who care, on the other hand, care about everything. Reynolds could have hooked up with Gina Neely or the robot chick from “Weird Science,” and Johansson would still be f*cked up over it. There’s no real gray area when it comes to this. Either you care about everything, or you don’t care about anything.

More importantly—once you dismiss the fact that Reynolds probably went against his vows and Bullock definitely didn’t let a suitable grace period pass after the divorce (She waited three weeks before the ink dried on the divorce papers to start publicly dating Reynolds. Three weeks??? Sh*t, I waited longer than three weeks to start watching a new show after “The Wire” ended)—this case is just other example of the stupidity behind the closely-related You’re my friend, so you can’t date my ex and You dated my friend, so you’re off-limits” arguments; “principled” stances with horsesh*t foundations that are nothing but egregious examples of self-defeatism and cock-blockery.

And, while a part of me can see why a person might not want their ex to date anyone the person is cool with (Although, after a period of time, all bets all off.), eliminating people you could be interested in just because they may have been involved with someone you’re cool with is especially stupid.

Now, I understand that there might be some circumstances where dating a person a friend used to date might be too taboo to consider. Obviously, if they just broke up on Tuesday, it’s probably not the best idea to send your man a “Yo, you mind if I hook-up with Kim this weekend? Her ass was looking real fat at you all’s engagement party” message Wednesday. Also, if your friend was cruelly played and dismissed by their ex, not only should the ex be off-limits, you’re expected to provide the bleach when you friend wants to dispose of the exes body. Lastly, you should probably stay away from the ex of your ace boon coon.

Still, most ex situations aren’t that drastic, and here are three reasons why it’s a bad idea to always stay true to the “You dated my friend, so you’re off limits forever” principle.

1. Not only does it reduce your dating pool, it disqualifies a pool of people you might actually be compatible with

I’m sure everyone reading this either knows a couple people or who’ve refused to date “someone” just because they’re cool with a person that “someone” used to date, or actually is the person who’s disqualified “someone” for that reason; a state of mind/”principled” solo circle jerk that produces a never-ending game of six degrees of self-sabotage.

It’s especially faulty when you realize that if you and your friends share commonalities, there’s a chance that you might have access to/be attracted to the same general group of people; people who probably also share certain traits with you. Basically, you’re eliminating the people in your sphere of influence that you’re probably most compatible with.

To make an analogy, making a person off-limits because they might have dated your friend is like needing a tailored cut pants suit and refusing to shop at the Banana Republic because your friend frequently shops there…even though you and the friend are the exact same height and weight and have the exact same personal style and shopping budget. Sure, you can cop a pants suit anywhere, but wouldn’t it make perfect sense to at least consider shopping at the same spot your homegirl copped her suits from, especially since you already know they carry your size?

But no, your girl–who you’re not even all that close to—called dips on Banana Republic, so now your principled ass has to find a way to put together a work outfit at Rainbow, and hope that your Rainbow pants suit doesn’t split down the ass during your budget meeting presentation next week.

2. It’s a subtle dig on the quality of your friends

While most argue that the “I won’t date anyone my homie used to date” argument stems from a respect you have for your friend and your friendship, couldn’t you also infer that this argument stems from “Eh. If he found her trifin-ass, Rainbow pants suit wearing-ass attractive enough to date, I definitely want no parts of him“?

3. Every single argument a person can make about why it’s wrong to date someone a friend may have dated can be easily shot down

“I don’t do sloppy seconds.” (Well, unless you plan on dating virgins for the rest of your life, everyone you meet between now and the day you die will be a sloppy second. Or third. Or 221st. Deal with it.)

“I don’t need for a friend of mine to know exactly what my man looks like naked.” (Oh, please. Aren’t you the same person who sat at the Sunday brunch table while you and your girls made your girl fess up about her new man’s, um, “measurements?” Now that this new man happens to be someone you might be interested in dating, you’re getting all meek and principled and sh*t? GTFOH!!!)

“I would date her, but it seems kind of desperate.” (Hmm. The $50 worth of porn site subscriptions on your monthly bank balance seems desperate. The 90 minutes you spend each day searching for old girlfriends and crushes on Facebook seems desperate. The Dodge Challenger your “can’t drive a stick” ass just bought seems desperate. Finding and dating someone who you might actually like? Doesn’t seem too desperate to me.)

“It might jeapordize my friendship.” (If a friendship is so flimsy that the possibility of dating the same person four years apart has the potential to end it, it’s not really a friendship worth having.)

Anyway, people of VSB, I’m curious: How do you feel about the whole “dating the ex of a friend” situation? Do you think exes of friends should forever be off-limits, or are you like me in that you’re smart enough to realize the “You dated my friend, so you’re off-limits forever” principle isn’t a principle worth following?

The carpet is yours.

—The Champ

  • http://godmenandmoney.com Carmen

    This is a tricky one.

    But, I guess a person has to take a magnifying glass to all of the relationships involved in something like this [friendship and ex-ship]. You gotta check and see if the friendship you have is more valuable than a piece of yo friend’s ex-peen. Dating someone’s ex has so many crappy variables: depth of relationship, length of relationship, when they broke up, why they broke up.

    It’s just so much and so messy. I wouldn’t do it unless it was a long time ago. And maybe if I spoke with a friend about it.

    But on the flip, when a person is over it they’re over it and you really don’t care who they date. *le sigh* this is complicated??

    I know some girls who like to ‘claim’ men just b/c they think they’re cute. Now, that’s stupid & it “really does reduce your dating pool.” But I swear, some women do it…I swear they do.

    • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

      “You gotta check and see if the friendship you have is more valuable than a piece of yo friend’s ex-peen.”

      You summed up my post in one sentence. And you’re right, all the variables are messy. This is how drama comes into friendship. Even when people say they’re cool, most times they’re not. Plus, I never understood why anyone would want to date a man that their friend has had s.ex with.

      • Caballeroso

        “Plus, I never understood why anyone would want to date a man that their friend has had s.ex with.”

        Probably because you mentioned that thing he likes to do that you’re not all that into, but she’s been frustrated for years because she can’t find someone who would be willing to do that with her. Now that you and he are no longer together….cha ching! :)

      • Mo-VSS

        If it was just a few dates, then cool. But, anyone on here that says “I wouldn’t care if my best friend dated my ex-fiance” is a damn lie. It’s not the person that really bothers me, it’s the type of relationship I had with said person..the intensity, the length, etc…that would make me angry if my friend decided to date him.

        There are men in my life that are completely ON limits. Some dude I met and went out with a couple of times isn’t on the same level as a guy I dated for 2+ years, met his family and got engaged to. The former is defintely a green light for any friend…the latter will cause that friend to get shanked. Period.

        • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

          Exactly…and you know we stay shankin ninjas. :) …and we’ll use the insanity plea and get off on all charges. lol You’re right as I stated in my post down below, it depends on the situation and 9 out of 10 times it’s NOT okay. You know this is blog world where mythical negroes exist. lol

          • Mo-VSS

            Right on the shanking. LOL :)

            And who are these folks talmabot how they “wouldn’t care”…..I call BS on that. Let’s keep it real. Your girl of 15 yrs, who knows all about how that ninja stood you up on y’alsl first anniversary date, the friend who helped nurse you through the broken heart from that dude….that friend comes back and says “hey, my turn” and you jump on board to be the friend who helps her through her round with said ninja?????

            Uhm, no. Like I said, a date or two type dude…cool. An ex for which you once had strong feelings…nope. Don’t know too many folks who can honestly say they’d be cool with it all across the board from the word go.

            • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

              I don’t know too many folks who are honest about their feelings period. Everyone’s so caught up in being liked and political correctness. Either that, or it leads me to believe that many people don’t develop feelings for others. There must be alot of emotionless and empty relationships going on out there. smh

              • http://godmenandmoney.com Carmen

                I agree…b/c only the walking dead would be comfy w/ a friend ‘mating-up’ with someone they were once deeply involved with.

                There are too many people on the planet for that type of crap….but eh, what do I know?

        • j.ivy

          agreed.

    • Deeds

      I know some girls who like to ‘claim’ men just b/c they think they’re cute. Now, that’s stupid & it “really does reduce your dating pool.” But I swear, some women do it…I swear they do.

      Hell I have a friend like this. She’ll get upset if you talk to a guy and actually click with a guy that she admired from afar. Nevermind the fact that she admires alot of guys from afar. But I realize that she can be just ridiculous sometimes.

      • whykendra

        i have a similar friend. shes a clown. also, what about when people are “talking” not dating (which is most people these days). is he off limits then too? yall expressed interest in each other but never actually dated. im sure this girl would say yes but its just ridiculous.

      • Dee

        I had a friend like this…back in college….

        I told her she could pick one guy that I wouldn’t kick it too, and the rest were fair game.

      • Taylormay

        i have one outspoken friend that tries to claim dudes that she’s never had the guts to talk to but i have lots of other friends who won’t admit to it but just so happen to get mad at somebody at the same time that person starts talking to someone she thought she deserved (but never went after)

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “But on the flip, when a person is over it they’re over it and you really don’t care who they date. *le sigh* this is complicated??”

      yeah, i acknowledged in the post that some extenuating circumstances make it a no-go, but for the most part, it’s really not that serious

  • Emme

    First?

    • Ivy St.

      Almost. When I first scrolled through the comments, you were first. You got bumped by the man. Lol! Next time!

  • Buffy

    As someone who’s been in this situation I find that whole theory bullsh*t, unless that friend was to be engaged or married. That’s where my line is drawn. & it also has a lot to do with communication between friends. I’d never talk to my girl’s ex w/out telling her I was interested and was sure they were done with.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “As someone who’s been in this situation I find that whole theory bullsh*t, unless that friend was to be engaged or married. That’s where my line is drawn. & it also has a lot to do with communication between friends. I’d never talk to my girl’s ex w/out telling her I was interested and was sure they were done with.”

      i agree with this and sh*t

    • Sula

      Agreed… I actually introduced an ex to a friend and they got on swimmingly…

      Probably comes from the fact that when I am done with a dude I am really DONE with him, so whatever or whoever he dates afterward is really not crucial… Then again I am one of those people who is friends or courteous with their exes (except for one. Lol)…

  • Leila

    Off-limits. My girls and I go way back and no guy is worth losing the friendship over. Now if we’re just cool but not exactly friends, then that’s different. I would wait a little bit…..

    • 90sgagirl

      SMH Kelly Price “A Friend of Mine” plays in mind as I read this post….
      this is one of those easier said than done situations… and to some extent it does depend on level of friendship/closeness…some folks are into dating/sexing ex’s siblings/relattives or a group of friends..I think that’ messed up when guys/girl are known to Smash The Homies..that whole your friends are my friends and my friends are your friends borderline swinger ish..

      —-SOUL FOOD the movie: the highschool flashback when Terri (vanessa l. williams) is on a Date with Kenny, but then her sister (viva a. fox) has to tag along and ends up in the backseat of the car with him and eventually marries him…and years later at every Sun. Dinner at Big Mommas house you gotta be reminded of that..not to mentioned that yo little cousin Faye screws your 2nd husband too.. Dayum I just felt bad for Terri….

      —TRUE STORY: Yo homeboy/homegirl/bestie of umpteen years y’all go back like chiropractic…(Andre300)..this person was in the wedding everything, your kids godparent, then you and your hubby/wife get a Divorce, and you find out your ex is screwin ‘ your best friend…That’s Jacked UP,..I’d wonder if yall were screwin around during our marriage or had lustful thoughts that weren’t acted upon..and it would be even worse if the reason why yall divorce was bc of infidelity…. I cant say what I would and wouldn’t do, but that’d be a hard pill to swallow

      • Ms. My2Cents

        “y’all go back like chiropractic”

        As a Chiropractor, I approve this message, :)
        (not in a “as a karate expert” typa way…I really am a chiro!)

    • MS Dija

      I agree. Why would you want to date your friends ex anyway???

      Champ, I need clarification… When you say “friend”, are you talking about associates (people you know that you speak to in passing) or a friend who you hang out with regularly, talk on the phone, know their family…etc.

      I definitely wouldn’t date the ex of my homegirl. That’s definitely off limits. But… I still don’t even know about dating the ex’s of people who run in your same circle. Coming from a woman’s perspective, girls can be quite catty over stuff like that, and I typically like to avoid that kind of drama. I think guys are usually a little more laid back about that kind of thing.

      So maybe I avoid it, not so much because I feel its wrong, but more so because i just think its a bad idea. I think it usually makes for an uncomfortable situation. I personally don’t know many situations where dating an ex of someone your cool with is NOT awkward…

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        “Champ, I need clarification… When you say “friend”, are you talking about associates (people you know that you speak to in passing) or a friend who you hang out with regularly, talk on the phone, know their family…etc.”

        there’s only one friend of mine where his exes are off-limits. other than him, though? put it this way: i have a ton of friends/close acquaintances/guys i’m cool enough with to invite them to my place, and i’d drive myself crazy trying to construct and keep up with a matrix of “who slept with who” if I was on the dating market.

        i’m not saying it’s optimal to date someone a friend has dated. obviously, it’s probably better to just meet someone outside of your circle. but, if it happens…it happens.

        • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

          That’s a totally different argument than if you got “friend” who’s with somebody and u peeped her a few times, cuz yo boy doesn’t have bad taste.. Then they fall apart. Are u wrong for chasing after her later? I think it’s circumstantial. Some people are cool with it, some aint. I would consult my boy and see how he feels about it. If we’re that cool then I would respect his wishes.

          I think the main problem is what those ladies were talking about above. When u got a chick who lays claim to every good looking guy she sees. That chick needs a reality check

      • sanen85

        I agree. I’ve sort of had my eye on a guy I’ve known for a long time. He and I have always had some sort of chemistry and he’s always been quite flirty with me. He recently asked me out. The problem is his ex (and baby mama) is a semi-close friend of my sister. Now, I know my sister. I know what drama-filled lives she and her friends love to live and I know that I’d be pulled into that real quick if I went out with him. So, he and I will likely never be more than friends and that’s a shame. However, I prefer that to having to deal with the drama I’m sure would be coming my way if we ever dated.

      • Rob

        MS Dija, you are indeed correct. My first ex-fiancee was actually a good friend of mine’s ex-girlfriend. And not only that, he sort of passed her off to me after they’d been broken up a while. (That’s difficult to explain how that happened. I won’t even try.) And another buddy of mine said his ex would be good for me. Like, a good match. She could give me a little life experience, and I could maybe tone her down a bit, and we’d balance each other out in the end. We’d fought a little about it, but he came around in the end and thought it’d be a good idea. Where women are catty, men sort of play the pass the buck game. Another friend of mine started dating someone I’d been with, so… right there, that’s three people who’ve had their d*ck inside the same woman I’ve slept with, either before or after me. I think we just try not to think about things like that. And that’s not even all of them. I think there’s at least one or two more in there somewhere.

  • Tes

    Real sh*t, me and my best friend were talking about this very thing. I say “Its the principle” she says, “Well, I’ont care what you do with him.” It’s not so much that I don’t want to (cause dude is like a J. Dilla beat under a shady tree on a hot day with some sweet iced tea) it’s just that I feel it was morally questionable, especially since I hooked them up in the first place. Lesson learned though. Great timing and sh*t Champ.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      yeah, you better get on that beat before someone like gucci mane ruins it.

      • Tes

        Champ, I ain’t tryna have folks side-eyeing me like that though. “She’s with her best friends ex” side-eye is more vicious than say the “she just double dipped her chip in the salsa” side-eye.

        I think my thing is with loyalty. Sure she says she’s fine with it, but what happens when she’s not? Can’t just undo that whole situation. Ain’t no take-backs no mo.

    • whykendra

      like that usher song.

      ‘you’re the one who hooked em up knowin it shoulda been you”

  • coldsweat3

    I had this conversation with my homeboi’s ex last week. I agree with you champ, I have always thought well hey if me and my friend are similar we probably like similar personality traits in women. I would definitely pursue something within a certain time frame. I do however think it depends on how seriously they dated though and as you mentioned the amount of time in between. If several years go by then hey alls fair.

    The only challenge i see to this is i think alot of people still see their exes and think about the last time they had sex and that would be odd if ihat person having the sexual memory was your homeboi. Enough to make me pass up on something good? Not really but i just dont care about these things in general.

    • WIP

      Yes, because you know that woman is comparing you to the last guys (or whatever guy she recalls most vividly). It’s something people do automatically. When the last guy is your friend, someone you and she see on a regular basis, that just screams awkward to me.

  • http://awordorthree.com Crystal Marie

    All of the reasons, particularly the excuses listed in #3 make a lot of sense. For the sake of the argument, I agree with you. But when it comes to reality and practical use, it’s just not always a good idea. Plus, while a person your friend dated might possibly be compatible with you, so might scores of other individuals. Why consider dating your friend’s ex on the possibility that it might work out (or it might not) when China and probably your local metropolitan region is churning out lots of other singles for you to date without a potential messy situation?

    And if a friend is genuinely hurt by your decision, it doesn’t mean they are less of a friend for being hurt, just sensitive and would rather not see their friendnmake whoopy with something they may see as a failed investment?

    In short, I agree that on paper, this article makes sense, but in practice it’s tough.

    • Leila

      “Why consider dating your friend’s ex on the possibility that it might work out (or it might not) when China and probably your local metropolitan region is churning out lots of other singles for you to date without a potential messy situation?”

      Yesss. This is exactly how I feel! There are so many guys out there, so why mess with your friend’s ex? I have to clarify that my youngest friendship is 15 years and some go back to almost diapers, so these are my girls through thick and thin. Their families are almost like my family. No guy is worth losing my friendship over.

      • Caballeroso

        “There are so many guys out there, so why mess with your friend’s ex?”

        Quality over Quantity…
        Just because there are many options does not mean that they are more or even equally compatible. If your “soulmate” made the error of dating your girl simply because he hadn’t met you yet, does that make him any less your soulmate? If you subscribe to the soulmate theory, then perhaps the whole reason he ever even met your friend was so that he could eventually meet you. How ’bout that?

        • Jack

          My God, you’re a Beast!!! And I mean that in a good way :-)

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “All of the reasons, particularly the excuses listed in #3 make a lot of sense. For the sake of the argument, I agree with you. But when it comes to reality and practical use, it’s just not always a good idea.”

      yeah, like i stated upthread, finding someone outside of your circle is probably the best idea. all i’m saying is that cats shouldn’t just eliminate people off of principle

      • http://www.awordorthree.com Crystal Marie

        I agree with you. I’ve always thought it was a silly rule, especially when it’s applied to any and every circumstance. If you two are genuinely just a better match and your friend is over it & legitimately doesn’t care, then… I say go for it. Plus… it always helps if the friend who originally dated the woman/man is in a happy relationship with someone else. Then they’re downright ridiculous if they’re married to the man/woman of their dreams, and still upset about you dating their old fling.

        • Mo-VSS

          “Then they’re downright ridiculous if they’re married to the man/woman of their dreams, and still upset about you dating their old fling.”

          I mean, that I agree with.

  • http://biggerthomas.wordpress.com MadScientist7

    i think its all circumstantial. would i ever do it? probably. it would depend on how far removed the relationship was with my friend and the woman in question. let’s say a year or so has passed and the relationship wasn’t really that serious i would give it a shot if we were really feeling each other and it was ok with my friend (actually even it wasn’t but i would at least let him know my intentions).

    i think its kind of selfish for a person to say that you can NEVER date someone i used to talk to. you don’t own rights to that person anymore. your relationship is over.

    • tgtaggie

      +1. I see what you are saying. But what if you were in a situation where your boy already called dibs on said girl (stayed friends but never dated). And a couple years past…and you were presented with the opportunity to be with said girl?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqsyLmgcU0E

      • http://biggerthomas.wordpress.com MadScientist7

        if he called dibs on her and hasn’t said anything to her in YEARS, then who’s fault is it that the opportunity presented itself to me? i would say his. he better get in where he can fit in. literally. i still let him know my intentions and that he lost out by waiting so long to make his move.

        • tgtaggie

          Co-sign. It has never happened to me. But I have always wondered if it did what would be the best way to approach it.

      • UrbanDismay

        Firstly, I don’t like the idea of “calling dibs” on a person like they are a bag of chips.

        Secondly, I’m supposed to keep my hands off someone you aren’t even dating just in case you change your mind at some future date? Yeah right.

        • tgtaggie

          I just use the Barney clip (probably one of the most unrealistic womanizers ever. lol) as a example. And I probably wouldn’t call dibs on any person. But its kind of like:

          Homeboi: “Yo, if I ever get a chance to get with so and so. I might wife her.”
          Me: “Yea. She is pretty bad (I’m thinking to myself….”This ninja betta not mess up . ’cause by association it might mess me up.”)

          Then some time past and dude never got with said girl and a opportunity for me to get with her presented itself. And you and ole boy still cool. It has the potential to get kinda of messy.

        • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

          “Firstly, I don’t like the idea of “calling dibs” on a person like they are a bag of chips.”

          This cracked me UP. And ya know… co-sign. Calling dibs takes away the choice of the person who actually matters in the decision: the person you “called dibs” on.

  • http://www.twitter.com/fiveisthenumber fifty six

    I married a girl who was once the best friend of an ex. No problems…

    • Sydney

      your ellipsis says otherwise…lol

    • Taylormay

      lol same thing with my parents except my dad’s mom held it against my mom

    • Girl Kanyeshrug

      She was ‘once’ the best friend of an ex….meaning no longer the best friend of an ex?

      • Yeah…So

        exactly… hmmmm.

    • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      “No problems…”

      For both you AND them, or just you?

  • http://jdiva.wordpress.com ChaoticDiva

    I’m going to have to co-sign with this article. Simply because it comes up a fair amount of times, but of course, with one of my crazy ass twists.

    I actually use the “you dated/kicked it with/slept with my friend/associate/coworker/girl-I-only-see-at-the-club-and-say-hi-to-once-in-a-while” as an excuse NOT to talk to someone. Generally because I tried to hook them up with my friend in the first place because I wasn’t interested. (Does this make me a bad person).

    So here’s a better question: If you dated someone, and it didn’t work out with them, would it be trifling to talk to their friend, years later? I mean ex-of-a-friend, ex’s friend…

    • tgtaggie

      I think it depends on several reasons:

      1. Was said friend hotter than the ex?
      2. Is ex-girl and said friend still cool or just associates?
      3. No I don’t think its trifling. Better yet a good ex would introduce you to them. lol

      Also, I believe there should be a statue of limitations on whether you can date your ex’s friend(s). I mean if ya’ll talked back in the day (3+ years). What difference does it makes. It should not have any bearing if the relationship with ex’s friend work or don’t work out.

      • http://jdiva.wordpress.com ChaoticDiva

        Interesting take. I guess I would agree. But at the same time, how awkward would it be when him and his friend (or her and her friend) get into a convo and someone throws the new flame (aka the other’s ex) into the mix. I know some men will go to blows over their friend bumping bodies with their main back in the day (like in The Best Man), or will they shrug it off like it’s nothing (think Jermaine and Randy Jackson playing the wife swap game)? Maybe it’s just one of those situational things.

        • tgtaggie

          I think in The Best Man’s case. Morris Chestnut was mad he wasn’t the first one to pop Monica Calhoun’s cherry. Also, she really wasn’t forthright with him about her “past”.

          I think it takes a pretty mature person to accept the fact that (run on sentence coming) their relationship with ex didn’t work out and it could be a possibility that the relationship with you and the ex could work out.

          • Cris Until I Find a Clever Name

            @Chaotic Diva: Jermaine and Randy havent been cool for years behind that mess. Add to the fact that the woman and all 4 of her kids are living with Katherine Jackson’s house cuz she has no money and Jermaine hasnt paid child support to her in years

            @ tgtaggie: Lance (Morris Chestnut) WAS the first one for Monica. Monica and Harper (lame A$$ Taye Diggs) after she found out that he cheated with the twins.
            Lance was upset that 1) It was his best friend AND 2) that he wasnt the ONLY one Monica had been with (remember he was “excited” when Harper hinted that Monica was a virgin)

    • A Plus

      If you dated someone, and it didn’t work out with them, would it be trifling to talk to their friend, years later? I mean ex-of-a-friend, ex’s friend…

      nope. now, if you were in a serious long-term relationship with someone and it didn’t work out for whatever reason, would it be trifling to try to get with their line brother, best friend, etc….i think that’s a different story. but just dating someone it didn’t work out, then talking to their friend YEARS LATER, i don’t have a problem with

    • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

      No. I am a bit surprised by Champ’s take and the men who are cosigning. Maybe I know a diff breed of men, cause the guys I know wouldn’t talk to their friend’s ex. Now I’m not talking about cheaters, players, etc. I am talking about men who have deep friendships or go way back. It’s like they have a brotherhood or something. They give me the eye but no one is going there. Most guys I know don’t want any girl who’s “smashed the homey”. lol

      Quick story:
      Dated this guy Mike senior year (of highschool), we never had s.ex, etc. I was a trophy girlfriend which means he parading me on his arm to parties, etc while he slept with the entire school. lol no really. 10 years later, I’m single and run into his older brother (who could give Boris a run for his money…yes really). He’s hitting on me hard, so I go for it. I meet him for dinner and he shows up with this sour look on his face. Tells me that even though he finds me attractive, his brother (Mike my ex-x) said no. Mind you, Mike and I never had s.ex and I was 17 at the time! Geesh. His brother and I did hang out for a while but he never touched me. Btw, I’m 30 now so you see the time frame.

      • tgtaggie

        I think in your case it probably was to close for comfort for MIke’s brother. I draw the line with my brother. Friends yea.

        Was Mike married? ‘Cause why would he care?

        • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

          I want to put it out there that I don’t condone dating brothers. There’s a word for that which I don’t want. lol I thought this was diff because I was 17, 13+ years ago and we never were intimate in that way. I think Mike was just jealous cause he pursued me after highschool and told his brother about it enough to where it made him feel uncomfortable. I wasn’t mad because I wouldn’t want to date a sister’s crush either but this guy was a big time player so he was just being selfish.

          • whykendra

            yes. really selfish!!! 13 years??? for a high school non-love affair. really, mike??? the fact that mike cared int he slightest bit shows you that there may be some time of extreme immaturity and therefore you dodged a bullet as these things are product of family life and bad child rearing. ‘boris’ was probably a chump too.

            • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

              Haha exactly! But I refuse to believe his brother was a chump…he was too d@mn fine. :)

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        “No. I am a bit surprised by Champ’s take and the men who are cosigning. Maybe I know a diff breed of men, cause the guys I know wouldn’t talk to their friend’s ex. Now I’m not talking about cheaters, players, etc. I am talking about men who have deep friendships or go way back. It’s like they have a brotherhood or something. They give me the eye but no one is going there. Most guys I know don’t want any girl who’s “smashed the homey”. lol”

        like i mentioned in the post, there’s a statute of limitations. a few weeks? no. a few months? probably not. a few years? what are you getting into this weekend?

        • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

          Weeks? Months? LOL, I need years to be in that timeline.