Race & Politics

Politics Schmolitics and Little Tea Pots

Like I assume most reading people of America did, I watched President’s Obama State of The Union speech and the following Republican response from Rep. Paul Ryan scary eyed Tea Party (though Republican) representative Michelle Bachmann. I thought Obama’s speech was pretty well done. In general, I always expect Obama to deliver well. He’s an orator and charismatic leader. His speech was heavy on story-telling  and focused on the future of America as opposed to any partisan wrangling. That was nice.

His speech also for the first time in a long time, avoided going for the moments that would require different sides to stand up and applaud. While some of that is to be expected, I appreciated him giving a speech that was more about listening, reflecting, and refocusing than it was about punchlines and ovations. I thought President Obama did a very good job of creating an optimistic environment for our nation. Though…

Though, I found his speech to be very short on specifics and ideas. Now, I read earlier today that Obama intends to specify his goals and plans in his upcoming budget request, so I can wait to find out what he’s got up his sleeve. Go Obama.

Let me be very upfront here: I find politics in general (speeches, grandstanding, etc) to be very uninteresting. For the most part, it all comes across as rhetoric and propoganda. I’ve never cared much for politics but the uber partisan nature of Washington right now and the Tea Party’s ascension to the national scene has made me realize that, well, people are pretty much insane. And this isn’t to say that I think President Obama is doing a bang up job. He’s doing a decent job as President but I do think his transparency could use some work. I read the health care bill. It was the most convoluted piece of legislation I’d seen in a long time. But I do believe in his vision and goals. But over all, politics doesn’t really move me. I wish it did, but it doesn’t. I do think that Obama has caused me to pay more attention, but at the end of the day, it’s all just the same…ole song. With a different beat since you’ve been gone.

With that said, Michelle Bachmann’s speech scared the living f*ck out of me. Or maybe it was just her. I don’t know. I can’t think straight. The hills have eyes and hers looked like she borrowed Satan’s contacts. Paul Ryan was political. Obama’s was visionary. Bachmann? She spoke in the language of the folks who don’t like to figure things out. She said quite simply, “Obama, you dropped the ball and are making America bad. Stop it.” And I think a large swath of Americans would be able to easily understand that message. She’s like Sarah Palin-lite. She even sounds like her. I can’t lie, people like her and Sarah Palin who are able to easily speak in a language of folks who don’t know any better in such a manner terrify me because those are people who like to vote and listen to non-sense or speeches that really don’t say anything but sound like they say a lot. Truth is, her speech was fairly benign. But something about her just really put me in a bad space.

I do find it interesting that Bachmann was able to give a message on behalf of the Tea Party when they’re all mostly Republican. To me, it kind of made the Republicans look a bit…disorganized to me even though the speeches weren’t that far apart. But it marks a combo of Ryan, who by all accounts i a very bright and smart guy, and Bachmann who looks like a renegade soccer mom who somehow ended up in Congress.

Overall, to me, they’re all just speeches and mean nothing until the wheels start turning.

Until then. A-ha, hush that fuss, everybody move to the back of the bus.

Good people of VSB (forgive my mental ramblings being a bit all over the place), what were your thoughts about the State of The Union address and the following messages from Republicans? Do you even care? How do you feel about this country’s prospects in 2011?

Talk to me.

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka 21 KOOKAROO GANGSTA aka GIIIIIIIIIIRL HE A 3

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Damon Young

Panama Jackson is pretty fly for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future.

  • http://jouromeo.blogspot.com/ Sage of Silence

    First of First!!!!

    • http://jouromeo.blogspot.com/ Sage of Silence

      Politics are interesting.Obama is a much healthier President for the United States than Bush was. Can we truly lose focus of the people who put Bush in power? If we stray from the lack in proper decision making so soon, the World we know will catapult right back into the brink of Armageddon and Apocalypse like we were two years ago.
      Get ya-self a gun.
      Tea Party represents (in my eyes) Anglo angst and has very little to do with actual Political policies. With a Chocolaty complexioned(you know what I mean when I say Chocolaty…I don’t like calling AA’s neither AA’s or Black) Commander in Chief, I wouldn’t be very surprised if Anglo’s, nationwide, felt like the power they once operated under the “cloak” of, was now in the possession of “others.”
      From online video games, to the night streets, the N*word has become ever more prevalent in usage towards myself.
      And that stench of fear is what I believe is driving the tea party.

      Like Panama said “I find politics in general (speeches, grandstanding, etc) to be very uninteresting.”
      I do not believe he is the only one that feels that way. Though, after recently watching “Religulous”, the way politicians are now and our national half interest with the politics they govern, this becomes a numbers game and they have a coupon to have more people on the court than we do. (That weird they I used at the end refers to politicians & any other sort of government representatives that hold enough power to matter or mention.
      I hope y’all are smarter than I am, because I’m only so so but still stay disappointed. Please say it ain’t so.

      • Caballeroso

        “… I wouldn’t be very surprised if Anglo’s, nationwide, felt like the power they once operated under the “cloak” of, was now in the possession of “others.” ”

        I suspect that this is what they mean when they chant “Let’s take our country back.” Once the Pres. is out of office, I wouldn’t be surprised if teh Tea (Bagger) Party simply disappears…we’ll see.

        Religulous…good show! I meant to buy the DVD.

        • Honey

          yeah, you’re right about the tea party. i’d seriously bet money that they’ll disappear as soon as a white face is in office again

      • http://thatswhatgemsaid.wordpress.com Gem of the Ocean

        Tea Party represents (in my eyes) Anglo angst and has very little to do with actual Political policies.

        its infuriating that theres nothing to really counter this type of movement *smh*

      • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

        I kinda wanna make an “Anglo Angst” tshirt for my somewhat racist coworker.

        • Tes

          I say you do it, but also include in the gift package a “My President is Black” t-shirt, just for equality’s sake.

          • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

            HAHAHA!

            • http://jouromeo.blogspot.com/ Sage of Silence

              I’m in a very strong like with y’all.

  • http://yourchildsmother.blogspot.com/ KMN

    Panama, I am going to read your post in the morning, because I know it’s gonna be off the chain. But I wanted to update VSB/VSSs on Tiana Hill. She actually got in contact with her family a few days ago via FB. But they haven’t physically laid eyes on her. I haven’t had any updates since but I think it’s good so far. I actually got the local paper to pay a little bit of attention to it (no article, but one of the journalists did contact some of his contacts).
    I just want to thank yall again for helping me out with the retweets. Yall have been a great help in this process.

    I’ll comment some more in the morning…I gotta finish my blog post now. LOL

    THanks again VSB/VSS

    KMN

    • Cris Until I Find a Clever Name

      THAT’S WONDERFUL KMN!!!

    • http://lizburr.com Liz

      Oh that’s good to hear! I was getting nervous but I am glad to know she is alive. Please keep us posted!

    • legitimate_soul

      That is excellent to hear!

    • http://DamonLThomas.com Monk

      Good news…the best news.

    • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      Oh wow, that’s fantastic, KMN! Great news. Can’t wait til the family is properly reunited. :)

  • http://calmpleks.wordpress.com Calmpleks

    “I do think that Obama has caused me to pay more attention, but at the end of the day, it’s all just the same…ole song.”

    I think that will be his everlasting impact on America. I always believed that people’s expectations of him were misplaced. He’s one man operating in the midst of a corrupt and convoluted system. The changes he can bring to the political machine are limited, but the thing he can change is us and how we look at it (even if it’s merely seeing it for what it is). For that I’m grateful and inspired. Still.

    • tgtaggie

      My expectations weren’t that high of the President (I know there are certain things he can get done). Imagine if Uncle Fluffy (John McCain) would’ve have won. #shuttersatthethought

      The media and some black people (some white folks too) thought he was going to be the second coming of Lincoln, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Reagan, and Clinton (the first black president) combined.

      • http://uphereoncloud9.com/ Wu Young

        Was Ike the last Republican president who wasn’t a polarizing a**? For all of his faults and mistakes he seemed to have understood the big picture.

      • Caballeroso

        I think history will ultimately determine whether BHO will be the second coming of Lincoln, FDR, Truman, etc. I suspect that, perhaps with the exception of Ike and Clinton, none of the aforementioned presidents were recognized to be all that great until after their terms were complete. Who knows, maybe in 2020 I can head to Mt. Rushmore with a photo of Barry O, a jackhammer, and a chisel, and be applauded and not shot.

    • UrbanDismay

      People expect(ed) Obama to be the ultimate Magical Negro. Now that it turns out that he isn’t (surprise) those people feel betrayed.

      Other than being our first black president (Bill Clinton does not count and I find it more insulting than funny that people still say that with a mostly straight face) I think Obama will end up being about average as presidents go in terms of what he gets accomplished during his time in office.

      • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

        UD,
        In that Black people supported Obama overwhelmingly, and given that Obama presented hinmself as a klind of magic bullet (keep in mind his address at the 2004 Democratic Convention), I do not think it is unreasonable for people to view him in the way they do and which you described above; when you hold yourself out as a Messiah, you can’t blame others for treating you in kind.

        The big question for me in all this (I didn’t vote for Obama) is simply the following: are Black people, who supported Obama nearly 100%, getting their electoral return on investment for their votes – and if so, what objective evidence can any of us point to that demonstrates this? Has Obama even spoken to our concerns, specifically and in very public venues, as a constituency? Again, if so, can you or anyone else here cite such instances?

        O.

        • Mo-VSS

          It was unreasonable for people to think of him as anything other than a man running for office who was the first of his kind to have a real shot at winning. Nothing more, nothing less.

          And as someone who voted for him, I didn’t do so with the 100% fervor that others did. I did so because, given the choices, he was the best in my opinion. So, now that he’s in, he’s worked on healthcare and that was my main concern. Until we acknowledge that education should be run like a business and get the god-awful teachers unions out of the way, education will remain the same. And there is little, if anything, this president or others can do about it without dismantling the teachers unions.

          (and I’m not anti-union, by the way, I’m just anti teacher’s unions)

          • Medium Meech

            People saw what they wanted to in Obama. I really can’t think of that many campaign promises he didn’t follow up on. Guantanamo Bay comes to mind, not much else. If people got past their unprecedented expectations they would see he has been a great president. Not good. Great.

          • http://calmpleks.wordpress.com Calmpleks

            Mo, I’m a teacher and I think a lot of the criticisms of unions and tenure are justified. However, being part of the system and seeing how politicized EVERYTHING in education is (from what to teach and which textbooks to use) I wonder what viable alternative there is. Using the business model makes sense on the surface, but we’re not dealing with a “product”, which makes it harder to judge value and success (you can’t just use test scores). Unions were partially created to break up the nepotism and “old boy network” that was occurring in hiring practices. A teacher’s effectiveness is such a subjective thing that there was a need to avoid unjustified firings. But like I said, while I agree that the unions are a problem, I recognize their necessity.

        • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

          I am sorry to say, MoVSS and MediumMeech, that NEITHER of you have actually answered my questions, especially pertaining to African Americans. Please try again?

          O.

          • Medium Meech

            My response wasn’t to your questions. It was addressing Mo’s first paragraph.

            • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

              That would indeed explain it. Let’s see who, if anyone, will actually answer some hardheaded questions about Obama here…

              O.

        • UrbanDismay

          (sigh)
          Even with our support, President Obama would never have made it into office without out a lot of money/support from 2520’s.

          So I don’t understand the position that Barack owes us an “electoral return” for our votes. I thought we voted for him cause we wanted him to change this country for the better, not because we wanted him to give us the change out of his pockets.

          Clinton promised black folks a lot of things that he didn’t deliver on; why aren’t we demanding reparations from him too?

          Barack Obama is President of the United States of America, not Negroland. With your thinking, we’re not the only ones owed a little extra for our vote. Guess we’ll have to get in line behind everyone else with their hands out.

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            Good Morning UD,
            Replies below:

            UD: (sigh)
            Even with our support, President Obama would never have made it into office without out a lot of money/support from 2520?s.

            O: Non-sequitur. Try again, please? Oh, and what is a “2520”? Please explain?

            UD: So I don’t understand the position that Barack owes us an “electoral return” for our votes. I thought we voted for him cause we wanted him to change this country for the better, not because we wanted him to give us the change out of his pockets.

            O: While what you say above sounds great in a perfect world, the reality is that this is not the world in which we live; politics is in large part about what’s in it for ME. and the truth is, that Black folks have continually gotten took for B.A.D., not by White politicians – but BLACK ones. Clay Davis, anyone?

            UD: Clinton promised black folks a lot of things that he didn’t deliver on; why aren’t we demanding reparations from him too?

            O: Annnnd, another non-sequitur. Focus, UD. Focus…

            UD: Barack Obama is President of the United States of America, not Negroland. With your thinking, we’re not the only ones owed a little extra for our vote. Guess we’ll have to get in line behind everyone else with their hands out.

            O: It is quite clear, and not at all surprising, that you do not know how electoral politics works, nor of the responsibilities of what being an involved, engaged and an assertive citizen entails in a free and democratic society. While regrettable, this is something that is relatively easily remedied. I would suggest you study up on some of the basics of Political Science, as well as the founding documents of our nation, and the Federalist Papers.

            O.

    • IET

      I co-sign on him changing the way people look at politics… but I would argue differently about how he’s changed things and is changing things.
      President Bush and Dick Chenney had their corporate buddies dictate to them what would be best for their industries. For too long our gov’t has been completely and utterly bought by those industries. If they didn’t want something, it wouldn’t get passed, irregardless of if it actually helped the country. Plutocracy- gov’t by the insanely rich.

      The change Obama has engendered is everyone can have a seat at the table to negotiate how America moves forward in stead of having it being dictated to us by (insert industry of your choosing here). Instead of driving, they’re negotiating. Now, that makes the process of “doing big things” as a country more slow but the truth is, that’s democracy. It’s subtle, but huge in terms of implications. i.e. Health insurance reform, Wall street reform?

      Those policies have been watered down like shit and don’t do as much as they could on several avenues, but, he’s taken the reigns of power from them and is now working with them corporations like fellow, albeit dysfunctional, teammates.

      Props to President Obama for getting the African-American Colloquialism- “we do big things” into a State of the Union address and having it flow and make sense.

  • tgtaggie

    +1. I also thought it was a pretty good speech. I was reading on the Huffington Post that some folks thought it was pretty boring. Its the State of the Union. Its not going to be exciting. I just wished he would have gotten a little more in specifics (especially about cutting the deficit and small business).

    Also, didn’t John Boehner (sp?) either looked uncomfortable or was lit during the speech. I’m going with a little of both.

    • Keity Rich

      He looked like his ass was itching

      • tgtaggie

        He might have a small bladder. Liquor will run through you faster than water (don’t ask me how). lol

      • kingpinenut

        roflmbao

      • Caballeroso

        I think he was fighting back tears…or maybe he was too sunburned to move. He did have a general “I wish I were somewhere else” appearance though.

        • kingpinenut

          He looked like he was in a Preparation H commercial

          • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

            This wins.

    • PoliBohoGlam

      My twitter feed confirms that it was simply past his bedtime.
      He just needed some warm milk in a sippy cup.

  • Bengemin Grehe

    Didn’t catch the Republican messages. What I did catch was very simple, our prospects for 2011 and beyond…

    WE DO BIG THINGS!

    • Nameless for Now

      “WE DO BIG THINGS!”

      THIS!! I’m from TX so you know I loved it! : D

      • Caballeroso

        I wonder if this line from our President was inspired by listening to Yung Joc’s or Eddie Kane’s song….”We Do It Big”. Perhaps he paraphrased for a wider audience.

        • WIP

          I think he was listening to “Get Big” by Dorrough (“You ain’t got e-nough money…”)

          • Nameless for Now

            LOL, aint that the truth…

  • Keity Rich

    Your points are all valid. It amazes me that someone can get on tv and make baseless arguments but still sway large groups of people to follow them. People can be idiots.

  • http://ypblogspot.com/ YPRuck

    I concur with your assessment regarding President Obama’s speech as he never disappoints being the great orator he is…And regarding the Rescrublicans & White Tea Party, I didn’t even bother to watch their responses b/c I already know they were going to take shots at The President plus I was ready to watch “The Game” (another disappointing episode btw) and didn’t want to get upset hearing the Repub BS!!! Nonetheless, I think he may set a record for vetos b/c I know these Repubs/Tea Partiers finna get out of pocket!!! #TeamVeto – Great post!!!

  • Nameless for Now

    Lol, Boehner looked like he was mad and slightly intoxicated….amused me greatly through the whole speech.

    I felt like you P, that the ideals were admirable, but there wasn’t a whole lot of talk on how we’re supposed to pay for this future…glad to know it’ll be revealed in the budget. He was pretty inspirational though and didn’t go on forever, so I was happy : D

    Michelle, Michelle, Michelle — two thumbs up for hair, jewelery, dress!!

    Last but not least, though some Republicans pander to the Tea Party, TP is to the right of Republican like Sweden (lol, couldn’t think of a party) is to the left of Democratic. TPers are mostly Libertarian : )

    • j.ivy

      When my bestie and I discussed the SOTU we ended by showing reverence to Michelle’s hair stylist! I had to laugh at us for that being a bullet point in our discussion…I wonder if that’s a black woman thing or did all women take notice and appreciate her dougie???

  • http://pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

    Michele Bachmann is why Jesus wept.

    • http://jouromeo.blogspot.com/ Sage of Silence

      LMAO @ you @Cheekie
      Sincerely, X-D

    • kingpinenut

      *wipes tear*

  • @milesfan79

    Overall night was decent, speech was ok, but nothing we haven’t heard before: we need this, we done that and going do that, etc etc etc

    The most interesting part of the night was the Tea Party response. On surface level it was comical and will make for great SNL spoofs lol, lets pray SNL spoofs tea party lady(yea i don’t care enough about her to remember or learn her name).

    On a deeper level it made me think about a few things that made me a bit sad/mad. We are all laughing and slandering the tea party, twitter was lighting her up!! But fact of the matter is, they mobilized their movement, have elected officials in congress and got major network to broadcast their message. in that regard i respect them in a sense(no i;m not tea party supporter or republican), bc they didn’t like something, got together and changed it. not only did that change it, they managed to win seats in congress and defeated democrats(and republicans that didn’t side with their views).

    I couldn’t help but think about black people, we often complain there aren’t enough blacks in congress, there are currently 0(zero) black in senate!! If you looked at crowd there was visible lack of black faces. So why haven’t blacks took same concepts of tea party and formed political party/movement that could get officials elected and get major networks to broadcast our message??

    So it dawned on me we are laughing and joking tea party, but at the end of the day they formed their party/movement, gotten officials elected and are being heard, if they weren’t we would be talking about them now. the last time i recall cnn broadcasting something regarding the black community longer than 5mins was “black in america”, which we all know really didn’t portray blacks in positive manner. Yet CNN knows tea party is crazy but they gave them 10mins of air time to broadcast their response/issue!

    interesting enough black ppl got together to petition and get “the game” back on tv(yea BET not broadcasting SOTU is a whole different post), but what political issue (or issue that benefits are well being) have we fought/petitioned for lately?

    Why haven’t blacks successfully formed political movement that could get individuals elected?

    these are just some questions i found myself asking and just food for thought

    • http://ypblogspot.com/ YPRuck

      Checkout the “BLAC-PAC|Bold Leaders Aspiring Change Political Action Committee” via http://blacpac.org/Home.html – “The political voice of the African American Community”

      • http://tdlove.wordpress.com Tonya

        Too bad I don’t live in Arizona..but I will keep my eye on them. Thanks! :)

    • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

      Miles,
      Aside from the fact that upwards of 10K Black elected officials have been put into office nationwide and at the local, state and federal levels since the mid-60s or so and the Congressional Black Caucus being present in the round at tonight’s speech, there is also the Black Tea Party having just been formed about a week ago; you should be able to easily Google it up. It’s called the Crispus Attaucks Tea Party movement, out of Houston, TX.

      O.

      • tezzybaby

        Actually that’s a diabolical scheme to destroy the Tea Party from the inside…im privy to their plans

    • Nameless for Now

      When you put it like this, a viable third party is pretty impressive….they didn’t just get people talking, but “have elected officials in congress and got major network to broadcast their message.” Hmmm.

      • http://jouromeo.blogspot.com/ Sage of Silence

        I’m just hearing about them, why? Something is wrong. seriously. The way all white people around me talk, I represent all black people and so to have a organization that caters to me that I do not know about is d@mn near blasphemy.

    • Yeah*yeah*Yeah

      @Milesfan79

      I understand what you are saying and I agree with you.

      My thought has always been that the Tea Party was a direct result of hatred toward Obama/blacks; I may be wrong- ok.

      To me, it just showed how much hatred (enough to make people form a party) of black people is still alive in this country; yes President Obama did get elected, but where are the people that supported him at now? I think the Republicans- being opportunistic are using the Tea Party as a distraction to further their greedy plan (Pinky and the Brain…) :)

      • WeGottaDoBetter

        I don’t think ‘BLAC-PAC’ is catchy enough to compete with the Tea Party…IMO, but I like the idea.

        As far as the speech, I think the last part about the Chilean miners and the company out of Pennsylvania, was the best part and should have been the main focus/tone. As far as the small guy can do BIG things mentality.

        • Yeah*yeah*Yeah

          @WeGottaDoBetter

          IDK…Black Panthers…

          Gotta start somewhere…

        • Nique

          You can always call it Black & Yellow…

          • http://twitter.com/s0_flyy FLYY One

            I really have NO idea why this made me laugh so hard…

            • WIP

              Have that song playing at all the little gatherings when the reps walk in. The BLAC-PAC will have the krunkest rallies on the circuit.

        • Caballeroso

          I applaud the concept of BLAC-PAC, but with an “in-your-face” moniker like BLAC-PAC, it screams reverse racism, narrow focus, and will be interpreted as anti-white. It basically begs for defeat. Our President won because his campaign was not focused on “we the black people” but rather on “we the people”. Unlike the campaigns of Sharpton and Jackson.

          Like it or not, you can’t get national respect with selfish intentions. You have to at least front like you have everybody’s welfare at heart. Take the Republicans for example, their motto is obviously “fuk the poor!”, but they would never call themselves the Wealthy PAC.

          • WIP

            “I applaud the concept of BLAC-PAC, but with an “in-your-face” moniker like BLAC-PAC, it screams reverse racism, narrow focus, and will be interpreted as anti-white.”

            Cosign

      • kingpinenut

        you ain’t lyin Ycubed

        folks need to read up on Reconstruction….ain’t a damn thing changed but the date

    • http://www.thelowerfrequency.com TheMostInterestingManInTheWorld

      @Miles – I think comparing the Tea Party and it’s movement to Black people is a stretch. At best count, the Tea Parties represent about 6 million people. Conversely, there are about 40 million black people in this country. You might say that gives us an advantage, but, in reality, it means we are a much more politically diverse group of people. What’s good for me as a married black man in Brooklyn with no kids might not be good for the black southern single mom. As far as movements go, the tea party is closer in form and function (NOT IN SUBSTANCE AND IMPORTANCE) to the Civil Rights movement. To put it succinctly, united by a common enemy (barack obama/racist white people)a relatively small segment of the US Population (Tea Party/Black People who were actually willing to march and fight and get bit by dogs) decided they weren’t having it anymore.

      Today, as a people, we no longer have that common enemy. It’s way to complex and the idea of “Black People” starting a new “movement” over simplifies our varying needs.

      But, the complexity and non-unifying nature of our struggles shouldn’t necessarily inspire the general complacency and malaise that it does… so, in that regard, I feel you.

      • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

        Actually, the Black community in the USA is quite monolithic, and we can see this wrt Obama himself; how much of the Black vote did he garner in the last presidential elections? And, can we not say virtually the same thing for the past three Democratic presidential candidates (percentage of Black Americans voting in favor of the Dems’ Man: over 90%). How long has the Black community voted almost entirely Democrat? What percentage of the Black community share essentially the same faith (some “flavor” of Christianity)? And, how many African Americans share the same or very similar views on such issues as Abortion, Affirmative Action, attitudes wrt Gays/Lesbians (Prop 8), etc, et al? I think on all these objective measures, we can reliably and safely say, that the Black community is far and away MORE monolithic than not, and it would not be wrong for anyone, African American or otherwise, to make such an assessment.

        O.

        • Medium Meech

          I don’t think voting record is an accurate tool with it comes to measuring the the diversity of political opinions among black people. In fact, the examples that you listed about attitudes on abortion and Prop 8 (conservative ideas) paired with the fact that blacks vote overwhelmingly democratic (liberal) shows that a question with only 2 answers (democrat or republican) isn’t inclusive enough to show nuance. I mean, how do you reconcile the overwhelmingly conservative leanings of black America with the overwhelmingly liberal voting record?

          The policy issues and open hostility towards black people of the party that brought us the southern strategy (Republicans) clearly have too strong an influence on black voting habits to draw any conclusions about our political thought process outside of we wont vote with a party that is openly hostile towards us.

          And please don’t give me the party of Lincoln argument.

          P.S. if you control for age, income, education and geography, I doubt that black people have a more conservative disposition than any other race.

        • Medium Meech

          Oh, and the fact that Obama garnered slightly more support percentage wise from the black community could as easily be a reflection of his moderate appeal or the divisive rhetoric of his candidate (and VP) and their supporters.

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            MM,
            The primary if not sole reason as to why Black Americans don’t vote for the GOP is simple: RACE. One can go into whether that is right or wrong, but I think one would be hardpressed not to see this huge factor in the mix here and extant for at least the past half a century.

            As for your other comments, I simply do not see how it is possible to note all that I have listed and NOT come to a fairly simple observation about groups of people and how they vote. Black people ARE indeed monolithic, politically, and one doesn’t need to be a Gallup or Pew or Rasmussen pollster to see this.

            O.

            • Medium Meech

              Again, your points conflict. You give two explanations for the same phenomenon. Is the monolithic voting a function of race or a function of homogeneous thinking in the black community? And I agreed that Blacks in America don’t vote for the GOP is race, in that the GOP is hostile towards blacks and uses this hostility as a rallying cry for it’s based with thinly veiled language. I’m not really sure what you mean by race in this context.

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                MM,
                I am saying that Race is the key motivating factor wrt African American political activity. Pretty straightforward stuff, I would think. Why one would want to contort themselves into all manner of cognitive pretzels when the whole ball of wax is so bleedlingly obvious, is at turns fascinating and despiriting to me.

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                • Medium Meech

                  Again, never said that race wasn’t a motivating factor. In fact, all of my points have gone to clarify how race plays a role in the way that black people vote. Why you keep suggesting that I am saying otherwise is what confuses me. Perhaps the problem is not that your logic is simple and I am over-complicating things, but you aren’t breaking your argument (at least what you presented here) down to it’s simplest causal components so you don’t understand what I don’t agree with.

                  Your argument: Black people vote in unison, black people are black => therefore, being black is their motivating factor. Also, because black people vote in unison they must have politically homogeneous views.

                  You then attempted to augment your argument about the political sameness of blacks with examples of issues that black people allegedly share the same opinion about.

                  My argument was that voting in unison does not prove a lack of diversity in political thought, or an accurate measure of political views at all when it comes to black people. I used your very examples which were conservative in nature to illustrate this fact by contrasting them against, again, your example of an overwhelmingly liberal voting record.

                  I also listed variables outside of race to explain the conservative leanings of black people. If anyone is stuck on race, it’s you.

                  As for voting democrat, I argue that it’s more self-preservation in the form of not voting Republican as they have hostile views towards blacks than black people voting Democratic simply because they are black and have a homogeneous political view or out of some pro-race loyalty. I wish we were that united, but we aren’t. This is where our definitions of the role race diverge. I never said anything about race not being a factor.

                  Now that I made it as simple as I can, do you want to address any of my arguments, or continue to sidestep them and repeat your points and shoot down objections that I never made?

        • http://www.thelowerfrequency.com TheMostInterestingManInTheWorld

          In addition to what Meech has said, the point was that the black community (whatever the black community is supposed to mean these days) is not as monolithic as the tea party. That’s the point. Miles was suggesting we for a sort of political movement along the lines of the tea party. My point is, our needs and wants as a people are not as specific as that of the tea party and there are too many places where we, as a people, are divided in our life requirements to form any sort of political party, or faction of a political party, that encapsulates us all. There’s just too many of us. You gave a whole bunch of “What happened to Kansas” type issues. Issues that are very much hot button issues, but not issues an intelligent person should use to draw his political affiliations.

    • WIP

      I don’t know that black people have a specific movement to get behind. It’s a little naive to believe that all black people have the same agenda anyway. I do understand though that there is no major political movement featuring a majority black supportors.

      I will also suggest that many problem plaguing the ‘black community’ are problems that require personal and social change, not necessarily legislation. Michele is attacking one of those issues (obesity). If there were to be party created with a strong black base, I imagine it would be focused on healthcare legislation.

      The tea party is about feeling “Taxed Enough Already” right? I believe there are black supportors within that party. Why haven’t blacks rallied more behind it? because of the racism indirectly associated with the party or because it’s not important to us. Shouldn’t it be?

    • tezzybaby

      “So why haven’t blacks took same concepts of tea party and formed political party/movement that could get officials elected and get major networks to broadcast our message??”

      We’d be lynched…. :)

      In the words of Time Wise:
      “Protest is only seen as fundamentally American when those who have long had the luxury of seeing themselves as prototypically American engage in it. When the dangerous and dark “other” does so, however, it isn’t viewed as normal or natural, let alone patriotic.”

      However I do agree with your basic premise, AA do need to be more involved in the political processes of this country.

      A funny thing about the Tea Party is that they stress the importance of no big government but still want Medicare, if thats not one of the most absurd thing I have ever heard. As a Houstonian, Im am deeply saddened by the Crispus Attucks tea party, and I weep everyday because of it. Why any black person would want to join the tea party shows a disconnect to me.