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***from possessing the ability to speak for three consecutive hours about the unique merits and deficiencies of flip murrays handle to his exaggerated pigeon-toed pittsburghese swagger, there are many great things about being the champ.

one of them, the ability to change a vsb topic at 10:00am after waking up and realizing that the premise was stupid completely loathing it, will be seen right about now.***

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“…nearly all SINGLE woman between the ages of 25-40 will do whatever it takes to land an appealing male, even if that means trashing whatever female code of ethics that allegedly exists. This is why women don’t trust other women. This is why Hollywood makes movies in which Ali Larter tries to steal Stringer Bell from Beyonce. You never see a movie in which Stringer Bell tries to steal Beyonce from Omar Epps. Why? Because no guy would like that movie. It would just make us angry. We would sit there thinking, “That’s not cool; this would never happen.” But if I took the Sports Gal to see “Obsessed,” she would say, “I can’t believe Beyonce is letting this happen,” or “I would have sniffed this girl out 20 minutes ago.” Sorry, I win this argument. I just do.”

—bill simmons, 5/5/09

according to biblical scholars, the original book of genesis contained eve’s sister, lakeisha janay. apparently, lakeisha would repeatedly test eve’s resolve and right cross by flirting with adam and stealing her figs. eve eventually prevailed after strangling lakeisha to death in the mudlands of listoria, cementing eve’s queen bee status while also providing ancient men their first mental template for penthouse mag.

although king james’s wife eventually forced him to edit this portion out, the fact remains that since the dawn of time, the fmf (female-male-female) romantic triangle (or, in ray j’s case, hexagon) has been a source of intrigue, amusement, and entertainment.

as simmons and many others have already stated, we already know the what. i’m concerned about the why. why do we (men and women) get so allured when women duke it out for a dude, and so appalled when the opposite occurs?

—the champ

205 thoughts on “meow”

  1. Champ would be the one to find a quote with some kind of reference to The Wire, lol his name is Idris Elba.

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      • @Slim Jackson,

        Sh!t, it’s kinda like a “where’s Waldo” thing for me. Everytime he shows up on TV or a movie, I yell out “Stringer”. (And yes, I did it when he showed up on Ladies No. 1 Detective Agency, too.) It’s frickin’ involuntary.

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      • @Slim Jackson,

        I actually think it’s hilarious Stringer Bell was used instead of Idris Elba like the man doesn’t have a real name.

        lol, its the same for all wire characters. sh*t, a part of me still feels like larry gilliard jr (d’angelo barksdale) actually died in that prison

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  2. wait a minute, now, what now? oh, the simmons quote.

    umm….women are, by nature, complicated and mysterious beings. meaning that you can’t just sum us all up by saying that “nearly all SINGLE womEN** between the ages of 25-40 will do” any one thing. except stay black and die. (and you can’t even count on 2520′s to do that right.)

    as for men: yall are more simple. thus the generalization above. and furthermore: “boyfriend #2″ anyone? male code of ethics, my a*s.

    and in conclusion, that simmons quote is full of sh*t.

    **notice how simmons’ simple as* couldn’t even spell the word right? lol

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    • @charli skipper,
      and the fact that i sabotaged my ex-boyfriend’s new girlfriend and their relationship has nothing to do with this idea that women don’t have a female code of ethics…..it just means that i’m complicated. and mysterious.

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      • @charli skipper, but was the new girlfriend a friend of yours? Men go after other dudes girls all the time as well the code of ethics implies that there is some type of tie .. just being a woman doesnt mean I owe you anything..now I personally am not a “ill take your man” type of chick but if a girl I dont know falls up on my husband she doesnt owe me anything HE does…

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        • @shay_d_lady,

          right! you said that perfectly. she was NOT friend of mine. actually, i never even liked the b*tch no way. (so really–he, the MAN–broke the code of ethics.)

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        • @shay_d_lady,

          “Men go after other dudes girls all the time as well”

          True. And the reason we don’t have more movies like Alfie or stuff with Ocean’s 11 subplots is because men don’t like relationship movies.

          Simmons’ assertion is akin to saying “Men between the ages of 14 and 68 love to murder. This is why we have gang violence. Did women really like the Transporter? Think about it.”

          Lol. ESPN has some funny blogs though.

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          • @Me fail english?,

            i agree with the first part of your comment but um….i lurved the transporter. and not just because jason statham’s fine @ss could get it anytime. lol.

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            • @SouthernGirl,

              lol. I hated the effin Transporter. But my point was not that women don’t lurve it, but that we don’t watch it as much as men. It’d be dumb to draw a correlation between men being murderous, action stars in real life and their disproportionate (as compared to women) enjoyment of the transporter.

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            • @SouthernGirl,
              “….i lurved the transporter. and not just because jason statham’s fine @ss could get it anytime. lol.”

              Shooot that was the main reason I was watching…I mean the storyline fell in after that, but that was the main thang that drew me in…LMAO

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          • @Me fail english?,

            Umm… I love The Transporter and Jason Stratham. My fantasy job is to be a stunt driver and I can’t get enough of the driving scenes in all the Transporters.

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            • @luvtheshoes,

              I think you guys may have missed the point here. Replace “Transporter” with any action movie that has more males than females in its fanbase.

              You’re all blinded by the sexiness of Jason Stratham

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            • @me fail,

              no harm, no foul. i’m not missing it. i see your point. and i understand it. i was playing on the ‘i just can’t pass this up-ness’ of your post. lol.i know i’m not the target audience of said movies and JS’ sexiness notwithstanding, i just like guy sh!t as my bff sometimes tells me.

              believe me, my love the godfather, scarface, goodfellas and many other mob/action movies are not born from the attractiveness or lack thereof of certain actors. i just enjoy those movies.

              but d@mn jason statham to h3ll for being so fine… ;-)

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            • @luvtheshoes,

              Ditto on your point, Southern Girl.

              Also, I’m the same way about guy stuff. Fast cars, car crashes, mobster stuff, guns…just lurve it.

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      • @charli skipper,

        and the fact that i sabotaged my ex-boyfriend’s new girlfriend and their relationship has nothing to do with this idea that women don’t have a female code of ethics…..it just means that i’m complicated. and mysterious

        …………………………………………………

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        • @The Champ,
          in hindsight, i should have just kept that part to myself. i was sleepy, hell…and i type the the way i talk.

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          • @charli skipper,

            LMAO!!! I thought it made PERFECT sense.

            *flashes Chick Logic member ID card*

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  3. “i’ll be waiting” why does that remind me of LL Cool J at the end of “I need Love”..lol

    as with everything you say champ lol, there are exceptions.

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    • @overit, bwahahahaha. i need love. that’s it i’m posting that video on yr page. i thought i was the only one who remembered that hilarity.
      signed,
      overit2 aka miss p. :*

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      • @Miss Patterson,

        psssh…what you talking ’bout? i looooove that song. especially the part when he says ‘watch our love unfurl. hilarity. i don’t know why that makes me cackle.

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        • I’ve often wondered what happens when you unfurl something.

          Like, is there a feeling of relief after the unfurlage, or does the act of unfurlation just leave you spent afterwards?

          Just my thoughts, people.

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          • @8th Wonder, lmao, you are dumb…but to answer your question, it depends on your furl game, some people unfurl slow, some unfurl quick.

            southern girl, that line always got me too! LL and mariah always be using big arse words.

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  5. this is foolishness..yes we can smell a thirsty chick cuase she desperate not because she is a woman . Beyonce’s character is being attacked (so to speak) so we side with her because she is the victim but as far as breaking all the codes…I dont know many chicks that will date their real friends dude, cheat with family or even date a close relation or friend of a long term SO… does it happen.. yes it does is it widespread…not in my world..
    now there are chicks out there that will date a married man and pursue a married man but thats not part of the female code thats a personal preference(some women do and some women dont) so as long as no friendship or familial lines were breached Ali was nothing more than a thirsty chick that needed to be dealt with and does not represent anything other than a c grade movie experience…

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    • @shay_d_lady,

      I personally think Beyonce’s terrible weave took it into D list territory.

      That aside, I don’t know if women have special intuition or men are just oblivious, but women can sniff out a whole lotta folks motives. And we don’t trust most of you! That means you players of the less fair sex too. How do you think we know what you’re mad about even when you won’t communicate in coherent english?

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      • @Me fail english?, Yes, that weave was TUUURRRIBLE! Lookin’ like she had a damn raccoon on her head!

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    • @shay_d_lady,

      I agree. These chicks dating the married guy often expect that to be ‘overlooked’ like he’s just some other suitor also. The times we live in…crazy.

      Bond.

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  6. i think someone desperate, lonely, insecure, unhappy (or any cast member from Flava of Love, Ray-J, I love Money, Bad Girls Club and most any other reality TV show) would probably be inclined to try to do most anything to “land” a 3 month-chex partner/booty-call, male or female, there’s not an age cap on that, is there?

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    • @maria, apparently not since vivica a fox and some chick got a cougar of love type reality show on tv now….

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      • @shay_d_lady,

        um……..am i the only one that thinks it’s triflin that she has to kiss each one of the men at elimination? how did no one put a red light on this situation? are all these dudes ok with that? mmhmm. that’s some lonely, desperate, insecure grown men for yo a*s.

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        • @charli skipper, I havent actually seen the show but that does sound quite triflin.. especially with the swine going around…LOL

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        • @charli skipper,

          um……..am i the only one that thinks it’s triflin that she has to kiss each one of the men at elimination?

          no. thats disgusting

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      • @shay_d_lady,
        You know that a kat t I work with is/was on that show? We’ve been clowing that kat mercilessly.

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  7. well. there’s only like 10 fine men in every city. LOL. but, in spite of that i don’t break female codes of ethics. it’s not in my nature. never has been. never will be. this is why if you ask any of my friends, they will say i don’t do infidelity nor do i ever give a high five for cheating. not cool. it’s beyond karma. it’s just wrong. i can’t speak for the rest of my vss’s. but all in all, i think we’re good peeps. the vss women are the cream of the crop. we’re above hating. right ladies?

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    • @Miss Patterson,

      *thumbs up*

      i think it takes a certain kind of woman to act that way. and some used to be good women get caught up in that ‘there’s no good men’ mentally and lose their minds and cross over to the dark side.

      h3ll, the one time i even broached the line of this topic was in 8th grade. lol. my bff was ‘talking’ to this guy that i could not stand at the time. they were together for a minute and broke up. then something clicked and we started liking each other but i was like, i can’t even consider this until i talk to my girl.

      and i was only even willing to consider it and talk to her because 1) they had only been together for literally two weeks or so and 2) he was not a Big (read: serious/love/life changing relationship). she was over it and she gave me the green light (no beyonce).

      she got with her future husband a few months later and the guy turned out to be a Big for me. who knew? but this was also back in the day before chex got involved. had she said ‘no’ i would’ve backed off. i’m not a schemer, man stealing type of chick.

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      • @SouthernGirl,

        but what if she would not have given you the green light. What would happen to those feelings? Do you just repress them? You just wonder ‘what if’? They were broken up. I understand it was 8th grade, but there are still alot of situation where I think women allow their friends to dictate their happiness.

        As a man sometimes we “make a bad choice”. What I mean is, when there are 4 or 5 women together, sometimes we holla for different reasons: attractive, most receptive, the one who looks easy (lol), etc. This becomes a problem when you are around/meet the other 3 or 4 and find that you have a real connection with them. Does that mean you have to discard your whole chance at happiness simply because you made a bad choice of whose number you got because you had too many drinks listening to Drake & Lil’ Wayne?
        I’m sayin…

        Bond. BlkBond.

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        • @Blk Bond,

          I can see where you’re headed but there’s a difference between getting someone’s number and dating them. and if your boy got the number of someone you were feeling during that initial meet and greet, how would you handle it? do you back off because he stepped first or do you holla anyway? do you wait to see if it plays out between them and then if not, swoop in for the kill?do you talk to him about it first? there are sometimes shades of gray in these situations. and if you are stepping into that gray zone, i see no need to worsen the sitch by being underhanded about it.

          regardless of gender, i agree that people often let others determine their happiness but IMO, the most important thing is to decide works for you within the limits of your relationship with the friend and who you are apart from that. meaning, in the sitch above if she would have said no, i would have taken a step back to evaluate myself, our relationship and my feelings for him.

          and if i felt certain way about him and felt she was being unreasonable (it was only 2 weeks after all) then i’d bring it up later to address my concerns and hope we could work it out and go from there. maybe i caught her off guard during the first convo. benefit of the doubt and sh!t. if she still wasn’t with it but i thought it was worth it, in that sitch i’d probably move forward and hope we’d be okay later. but if he was a Big to her, i would not have even thought about it. and that’s just me.

          i am going to make the best choice for myself but making yourself happy doesn’t necessarily mean f^ck everybody else’s feelings, ya know? yeah, people are gonna get hurt sometimes but that’s no reason to be willy nilly with the feelings of people you care about.

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          • @SouthernGirl,

            the phone number preceeds the date right? Unless of you are already acquainted with that person.

            If she gave him the number, I would accept that she chose him instead of me. This pales in comparison to the female friends because the guy usually initiates contact/actions that show an interest. With the women they BOTH may have an interest, but for various reasons, neither will move, they will simply allow him to ‘make the choice’. This is flawed, because he will approach both initially, however, it may be how receptive they are, who smiles more, etc. all of which are not explicit indicates of interest. Some women smile more than others, some women are more extroverted, etc. all of which most men interpret as receptive. These signals are misleading-and once that realization has set in or he realizes he has more in common with one of the other women, in most cases, he has to take an ‘L’ because the other woman feels that to seeing him is some kind of betrayal of her friend, which I disagree with.

            Even if you felt your friend was being unreasonable, you bringing it up latter would still be like you are waiting for affirmation from her-without considering her motives or other factors for his disapproval.

            I understand what you say about the ‘BIG’ factor. I don’t argue that. My issue is women missing out on possible John Preston’s (me and my ex watched that series-it lasted longer than we did) because of some false sense of loyalty to a friend.

            I don’t think you are being inconsiderate of your friends feelings, but you are disregarding your own.
            Be mindful that I am speaking of first meets, casual acquaitances, collegues, crushes, etc. NOT Life altering lovers and exes.

            Bond. BlkBond

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            • @Blk Bond,

              well, you didn’t really answer my question as to how this is handled between men so much as turn the sitch on it’s head to pertain, again, to women and their choices.

              also, this –> “This pales in comparison to the female friends because the guy usually initiates contact/actions that show an interest. With the women they BOTH may have an interest, but for various reasons, neither will move, they will simply allow him to ‘make the choice’.” <– is not always true. Women talk. And in some cases women will decide to fall back and wait it out to see who he picks and let it ride out, a la we both went for it and he chose her. no harm. other times you might get discussed in the bathroom or by undecipherable hand or eye signals between us that says who gets the play. whatever. also, this is before coupledom takes place.

              and, i’m not gonna give you my number right after you just got it from my girl because that makes us both look bad.i look tacky and desperate and you look thirsty and lame. in the EARLY stages, i.e. y’all talk/have a date or two, and if it didn’t work out we might could make a go at it after some discussion but not that same night. sorry.

              i don’t see how the loyalty is false but anywho…since we agree that Bigs are off the table, i said in my previous response that i would bring it up again in that sitch depending on how I feel about it. and if i felt strongly that she had no case i would move forward if I wanted to. at that point it’s on ME to evaluate how to move forward.

              somebody’s gotta fall back but making the best decision for me doesn’t necessarily equal me putting my life aside for her or for no reason.i’m not putting my feelings aside if i do what I feel is right. and whether that’s going ahead anyway or deciding i don’t like him enough to risk a friendship (were it to be that serious) that is MY choice. now deciding not to move forward or not by not considering your feelings at all is not cool.

              but it is what it is. we can agree to disagree. :-)

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        • @Blk Bond,

          There’s also the concern that what if you forsake your friend and it doesn’t work out between you and dude. Either way, there’s a chance you’re losing. I’d rather stick to what I know feels right (my friendship) and find another guy.

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          • @Me fail english?,

            I’m not speaking of the ‘BIG’ factor, I’m referring to crushes, acquaintances, collegues, etc.
            You could be forsaking your friend…and you could also be missing out on an opportunity at love…(shrugs)

            Red or Green pill…

            Bond

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    • @Miss Patterson,

      but, in spite of that i don’t break female codes of ethics. it’s not in my nature. never has been. never will be

      its funny how noone will admit to actually doing this, and noone even has any friends that they could see making this happen. you’d think on a blog with a couple thousand visitors a day, at least one of them is the real deal ali larter chick.

      lol, i guess this is akin to a guy never publicly admitting that he’s had his ass kicked recently

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      • @The Champ,
        “noone even has any friends that they could see making this happen.”

        I dont think anyones saying all that now. Im not the man stealing kind but I damn sure have some friends and loose aquaintances who’d do some shady sh*t like this.

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      • @The Champ, I never said I didn’t know people who have done this I just said it wasn’t me. They also werent my friends. This also tended to occur when I still in college, and shortly after undergrad. Also it takes a triflin a$$ man to actually be swooned by a chick who is clearly out to sabotage your relationship.
        Remember, it takes two to tango. Finally, Bill Simmons clearly hasn’t taken a look at his fellow male species. Because if he had he would see that some of the oldest love stories AND most embarrassing headlines of all time are based on men undercutting other men to win the heart of another woman. i.e.) Othello.

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      • @The Champ,

        I see your point. You’d think someone at least had an interesting story to tell. I had a roomie who went hard at a couple of my dates but they all thought she was ugly so…no harm no foul.

        Although, with as many women on this site who can attest to the fact that men do NOT respect other men’s relationships (even if they’re tight with dude) it’s a small wonder that so few men (not just on this site, but in general) admit to it.

        My current bf’s cousin was literally tryna put his hands in my pants pockets (wth? is this what they do Uptown???) and lay his head on my shoulder (I think) within minutes of meeting me.

        Last I heard, my exboyfriend wifed up his childhood best friend’s ex. They broke up within a month but still.

        And my sister’s ex and cousin physically fought over her.

        But no men seem to think this goes on. Hmmm

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      • @The Champ, i just wrote a response with at least 5 headlines listed, but when i hit post it disappeared into cyber air. oh well. i don’t have the energy to repost it. But my point was Bill Simmons needs to pick up the newspaper. There are headlines all over the place of both scenarios occurring and both are appalling. And as far as personal stories. Well, I’ve witnessed it several times in my early 2o’s while still in college. And it happened to me @ 20 and i don’t like to talk about it. the Ali Larter character was never seen again. (mwahahahaha!) the end.

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        • @Miss Patterson,

          I forgot about all the headlines. The NY daily news must have a weekly quota of articles about baby daddies who kill the mom and new boyfriend. I mean, seriously. That and the 80s movie “Where are they now?” features are killin me to death.

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  8. BS. Tell that to all the men that try to come at me even HARDER after I tell them i’m in a relationship. Men (in general) are guilty as well, I think their is just more backlash when a woman does it.

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    • @meleka on the laptop,

      “oh, you got a man? well can you have friends, tho?”

      *****as “boyfriend #2″ plays softly in the background*****

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      • @charli skipper, exactly dudes love that shyt.. the reason they wont make a movie where omar trying to get at stringer’s chick is because dont nobody go to the movies to shyt that happen every single day ..if I wanted to see that I would just pay closer attention to the dudes at work

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        • @shay_d_lady,

          Zecktaly! Some men go to the movies to escape reality, not to have it flashed right back at them.

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        • @shay_d_lady,

          Well that and Omar wouldn’t have gone for Stringer’s chick anyway since he liked dudes….tee hee

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          • @luvtheshoes,

            lol. Girl, they meant Omar Epps but this would’ve been an interesting twist on The Wire!

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      • @charli skipper,

        I never understood that one. Someone needs to explain this phenomenon to me. When I was just dating my hubby it was bad. But now that there’s visible evidence of me being spoken for?? Sheeeit.

        “Oh, you’re married. Well, are you HAPPILY married? Cuz if not, I can make sure you’re happy.”

        I got that one yesterday at the grocery store.

        Male code of ethics my azz…..

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    • @meleka on the laptop,

      BS. Tell that to all the men that try to come at me even HARDER after I tell them i’m in a relationship. Men (in general) are guilty as well, I think their is just more backlash when a woman does it

      i wont lie, ive seen this too. i

      think the main difference, though, is that the guy who’s trying to “replace” your dude usually wants to just beat, whereas the typical scandalous chick in that scenario wants to replace the other chick for good, lol

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      • @The Champ,

        This reminds me of the Chris Rock joke. When a man sees his friend happy with a girl, he wants his own girl. When a woman sees her friend happy with a man, she wants THAT man.

        I think men in general (whether the girl is single, married, blind, cripple or crazy) are all pretty much tryna beat at first. That doesn’t negate the fact that quite a few will persist in and even intensify the assault once they know you have a dude. I don’t know if it’s because they begin to like you or it’s just the thrill of the chase.

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        • it probably also has something to do with the fact that if you already have a man, they don’t have to worry about caring about your feelings and communicating and shyt, because there’s somebody else taking care of all that crap for them.

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  9. IDK

    For the same reason Rick Ross has plasmas in his shower, Jay Z doesn’t order room service “just snacks and ish” and wayne calls himself Mr.Lawnmower, oh and apparently 50′s mother thinks he’s handsome, Gucci “Moves Chickens” and Jeezy is flying in spaceships on behalf of NASA.

    yea I just completely forgot my point.

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  10. Am I the first dude? Wow, didn’t really expect that, but my take is that women seem more invested in getting a man in my humble, non-scientific, and totally anecdotal experienced opinion. Dudes will hit almost anything but for whatever reason (society, religion, no-good-daddies, etc.) women seem to wear their man as a badge of honor that lifts their self esteem. This may just be a fundamental difference in our make-up and highlight the different ways men and women love but something’s there. And in the end it could just be as simple as the real or perceived “lack of good men” argument. Scarcity or even perceived would turn a man or woman into an SO-stealing remorseless ***** (rhymes with itch). As a side note Champ you have truly earned your title as a Bill Simmons reader and obvious NBA fan I love when the Sports guy’s quotes make it to VSB.

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    • @Jaybilal,

      And in the end it could just be as simple as the real or perceived “lack of good men” argument.

      yeah, i think this has a way of subconsciously influencing our actions (men and women) even if we deny it

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  11. I just disagree. And that should be argument enough since Ive only been wrong like 7 times – EVER.

    No. Really, I think like some men, some women are just triflin. And they will do anything to snag a decent man, even if just for a moment. But I cannot support the idea that ALL women are like that because I am not. I think in general women don’t get along because in general women are catty. Most women are emotional thinkers which means that they aren’t rational thinkers, especially in already emotional situations (like when she thinks another woman is tryin to get her man).

    Also, there is no “girl code”. There is generally a “code amongst girls” which should serve as a guideline in dealing with each other’s men, but if I don’t know you, I don’t expect you to abide by that code.

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    • @Imperfect,

      “I think in general women don’t get along because in general women are catty. ”

      :( This makes Me Fail sad.

      Women are some of the most fearless, understanding, supportive, forgiving friends you’ll ever find. I hope you change your mind about this one day.

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      • @Me fail english?,

        Thank you Me fail!

        Patriarchal society has really won when there are so many women who walk around thinking that “women are catty”… Like really?? What of all the mothers, aunts, sunday school and real-life teachers that are nurturing and going around helping the world, are they also catty?

        It hurts my soul when I read stuff like that… and then I drink a mojito and life is good again.

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        • @Sula,

          Mmmm Mojitos….

          And growing up in a family full of women with a borderline feminist Dad (he’s as complicated as he sounds) I grew up looking at other women the way some black folks look at other black people. Like we’re all in this struggle together. Rage against the machine! So a little piece of me dies when I hear women say this. It’s like that doll experiment :(

          Also, it make men seem more rational and less petty than they are. Which just makes me laugh and then roll my eyes.

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          • @Me fail english?,

            Your experience sounds similar to mine. No wonder you’re the young and fabulous e-doppleganger of my e-twin (this is not however as complicated as it sounds.) Lol.

            My dad is an actual feminist I think. I grew up in a family of feminist by default women… So, I share the same view of women: “we should fight for each other’s rights and ladida”… so when I hear that other concept I’m very heartbroken.

            Like I had a very stereotypical view of the company I work for now before working for them… But now that I’m in it, I am so pleased because most of the higher bosses are women!! And in usually male-dominated fields as well. That got major cool points for real.

            But, eh, what are you gonna do? That’s why mojitos were invented…

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    • @Imperfect,

      “I think in general women don’t get along because in general women are catty.”

      I hate to agree with that statement, but I have no choice cause it’s true. *sighs* I can count on one hand how many girlfriends I have, and mind you, I’m missing like 3 fingers on one of my hands.

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      • @RedBeanzNRice,

        “…and mind you, I’m missing like 3 fingers on one of my hands” Lol.

        Let me clarify. I think women are VERY loyal. Amongst our (women) friends. But amongst outsiders, we treat them as such.

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  12. Welp,

    I like Bill Simmons. He’s part of my net rotation.

    *looking at my right hand*

    On the quote tho, he’s right in that no dudes would see a movie like that because, yea, that’s a bad situation where someone could get bodied. The bad way.

    *looking at my left hand*

    Apparently, situations like this have been dogging humanity for so long that there are at least 2 commandments speaking on it.

    Fast forward to today. There are many pop examples of dudes minding other couple’s business.

    LL Cool J – Hey Lover, etc
    Joe – All the Things, etc
    Dream – I Love Your Girl, etc
    The group that did that Splackavelie nonsense.
    That song off the Juice soundtrack that highlighted Q and Cindy from EnVogue’s relationship.

    I’m not even gonna start on lil dude from Pretty Ricky.

    But all this comes down to the fact that while the problem is not widespread, it is more common than we think.

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  13. Puh-leaase. I don’t know what alternate universe this Bill Simmons character lives in (or you Champ to believe this nonsense), but some of the greatest tales of all time are written about men stealing their people’s women and tryna kill dude after they did the dirt: Camelot (Lancelot and Gweneviere (or however u spell her name), King David in the Bible w/ Bathsheba, Othello (even though she ended up innocent)… k, I can’t think of anymore. But anyway, a man coveting another man’s (even his best friend’s) wife and trying to get with her is common place. It happens ALL the time. Yeah people SHOULDN’T do it and men say that they wouldn’t bcuz of some kind of “code”, but that’s bullshyt. They do. And will if she’s fine enough (for some men she doesn’t even have to be that fine) and she gives them a chance… i’ve seen’t it with my own two eyes. In some cultures men aren’t even allowed to be alone with another man’s wife or step foot in that man’s house if he isn’t present. Why? Because he might try to hump her!! That goes for friends and family too. Stop drinking that Koolaid, Champ.

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    • @pgh muse,

      “Layla” Eric Clapton
      Nas-Carmen-Jay-Z fiasco

      Come to think of it, if you grew up in the hood/ghetto you know too well that most of the time violence happens it either started over a woman or some money. Yall can let the 5 o’clock news gas you if you’d like about “random acts of violence” or “rival gangs”. Boosheet! Men like to make up codes to make themselves feel better. Omerta, Stop snitchin’, Code of the Streets, blah, blah, blah

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    • @pgh muse,

      Tell it, e-twin!

      The first president of my beloved homeland took his first son’s fiance, divorced the mother of his children (son’s mother) and married the chick. He was at least 40 years her senior. He asked her to have her tubes tied which she (dumbly) did. He had power and money.

      He’s been dead for 15 years. She is perma-drunk, gambling the remnants of her money away on some sorry island she bought.

      There are way too many stories of that ish happening. Bill Simmons might be Martian…

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  15. I was trying to figure out who Stringer Bell is.

    The woman that Bill Simmons is speaking of exists. But I’ve never seen her in person.

    In all my years, I’ve never had to deal with a woman who’s known I was with a man and has tried to get at him anyway, so I find it hard to believe that this is applies to “nearly all single” women.

    I honestly believe this is something some men have made up to stroke their own egos.

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    • @Nicki Sunshine,

      “I honestly believe this is something some men have made up to stroke their own egos.”

      The false stats and age brackets always give it away. It also begs the question, if men believe this is true do they:

      a) Figure themselves “appealing” and have the attendant throng of desperate single women vying for their attention

      or

      b) Have a respectable number of women interested in them, but none going to extreme lengths to bag them…thus making them “unappealing”

      Most (read: all) of the men I know, eligible bachelors included fall into category b. What say you gentlemen?

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      • @Me fail english?, And what about those who confuse a woman purely speaking to them and the man taking it flirting- hence the “whatever it takes”? I really don’t think the story in Obsessed happens much at all, so I’d like to know what he is basing his statistics of off.

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    • @Nicki Sunshine,

      In all my years, I’ve never had to deal with a woman who’s known I was with a man and has tried to get at him anyway, so I find it hard to believe that this is applies to “nearly all single” women.

      although simmons uses a bit of hyperbole, the latent point, that women are more likely to fight over and even share a man than vice versa, remains true.

      i know theres a biological (one man can impregnate numerous women) reason for this, but i guess im curious as to why (generally speaking) we’re still conditioned to act this way.

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      • @The Champ,

        I think it’s a mere matter of people getting what they tolerate. Men will dump a chick quick for making them look and feel stupid. I guess some women see this as just a “tough time” that they can “emerge from stronger” rather than the blatant disrespect that it is. I think women are generally more inclined to work at a rel’ship (read: beat a dead horse) whereas men have more of a “This doesn’t work anymore. Where’s the new and improved model?” attitude. Yeah, yeah I know there are exceptions. This is strictly anecdotal.

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      • @The Champ, more likely my a$$…men fight are way more prone to violence in this particular scenario.. See articles above. And if it’s all just to hit, tell me the last time you were willing to DIE/Get STABBED /ARRESTED for p*ssy? I rest my case. And rest deez while you’re at it.

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        • @miss patterson,

          Yeah from that angle, this whole thread makes men look crazy as hell. I mean women are down to get thrown down steps, lose friends and risk their reputations for what they believe to be a lifetime of happiness with whom they believe to be the only person that can give it to them.

          Champ’s saying men risk life, limb and reputation for some shit they can get from 51% of the population and is done in 30 minutes. And if you’re in a certain part of the city, for $50 or less…

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          • @Me fail english?, men risk life, limb and reputation for some shit they can get from 51% of the population and is done in 30 minutes. And if you’re in a certain part of the city, for $50 or less…

            exactly.

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  16. “What up ma? You gotta man?”
    “Yeah babe”
    “Is you happy?”
    “Yeah but, dont we all need friends?”
    Blank, slow, blinks, because as a 26 year old woman, I recognize that he doesn’t wanna be “hey girl lets go see indie flicks” but more “hey girl lets MAKE an indie flick” type friend…

    Men are HABITUAL relationship line crossers. Ive watched many a good night end with a drink being thrown across the floor cause some dude grabbed another dude’s girls arse. And instead of just being “oh my bad bruh, I didnt know that was your girl”, you get total chaos.

    So yes you are right, no one wants to go see that movie, cause in NYC drinks at the club are cheaper then movie tickets.

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    • @Cherished_one,

      “So yes you are right, no one wants to go see that movie, cause in NYC drinks at the club are cheaper then movie tickets.”

      What clubs you be at? You’ll be hard-pressed to find a beer for less than $7, much less a real drink.

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      • @Me fail english?, as a broke grad student, I have mastered the art of happy hour and open bar…

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    • @Cherished_one,
      “What up ma? You gotta man?”
      “Yeah babe”
      “Is you happy?”
      “Yeah but, dont we all need friends?”

      LMAO!!! I’ve heard this ish too many times…

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      • @miss t-lee,

        Girl! Haven’t we all? I’ve had to come up with too many responses to the “so you can’t have friends” line such as…

        “No, he’s crazy he might kill both of us.”

        “If you were my man would you let me have friends?”

        “How would you feel if you were a man and I had a friend that looked like you?” *batting eyelashes*

        “Here’s his number. Call him. If he tells you we can be friends then we can be friends.”

        “You don’t wanna be my d@mn friend! So when you saw me you were thinking hmmmmmmm, she looks cool as h3ll. I wonder if she likes to hoop.”

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  19. sorry, but both men and women can be trifiling when it comes to trying to bag the opposite sex, or the same sex if that’s your thing. Men go after attached women all the time…everyone wants what they can’t have, and some take to the extreme and try to take another’s main squeeze for their own. So, sorry Champ, but reality is against you. Hollywood doesn’t count….

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    • @N.I.A happyhumpdayonmybirthday!!, Seconded! Also, Ali Larter’s character was CRAZY lol. She was a straight up stalker, and men most definitely do that ish too (look at Tyra’s situation!)

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    • @N.I.A happyhumpdayonmybirthday!!,

      Men go after attached women all the time…everyone wants what they can’t have, and some take to the extreme and try to take another’s main squeeze for their own

      ***see reply to comment number 8***

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    • @Me fail english?,

      With no top lip and big ole front teeth – like a beaver. She’s ugly is you ask me. And what’s up with her eyes? It looks like they float around in her head. Ick.

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      • @RedBeanzNRice,

        Eggzaaaactlyyy…[/Homer Voice]

        She looks like a zombie! And she has the personality of a paperweight. She consistently annoys me.

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  21. In my opinion, something very important has been left out of this discussion. First of all, only those that are “willing to be taken” can be taken. I have never feared “loosing my woman.” I am all about the bargain. One should always strive to get the best bang for his/her buck, which is why I typically give the chicks I date a standing offer. “If that ninja can treat (massage, li*k, sti*k) you better than I can, then take him up on his offer.”

    That said, if some dude “takes your woman,” (which in my opinion is a fallacy because she obviously wasn’t your woman) you shouldn’t get mad at the dude, you should check your woman. As for guys, I don’t think a particular “code” exists outside of people that you are cool with. If there is a chick that I am interested in, if you aren’t one of my boys (even if I know you), then your skills as a masseuse, li*ker, and sti*ker need to trump mine.

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    • @B.J,

      If there is a chick that I am interested in, if you aren’t one of my boys (even if I know you), then your skills as a masseuse, li*ker, and sti*ker need to trump mine.

      **reminding self not to introduce sister to bj at the vsb bbq**

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  22. Well since you edited the post I guess I can oblige and answer your question

    “why do we get so allured when women duke it out for a dude, and so appalled when the opposite occurs? ”

    ‘Cause ya’ll are silly.
    The End.

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  23. “there are many great things about being the champ.

    one of them, the ability to change a vsb topic at 10:00am after waking up and completely losing the battle.”

    FIXED.

    And why wouldn’t you be appalled in a situation where you’d be a potential victim, and allured by situation that elevates your value to others?

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    • @Me fail english?,

      And why wouldn’t you be appalled in a situation where you’d be a potential victim, and allured by situation that elevates your value to others?

      lol, “we” means men AND women. sh*t, theres a reason obsessed was the number one flick in the country

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      • @The Champ,

        I think the reason it went number 1 had more to do with Beyonce than the plot.

        And yeah, I meant all people are appalled by situations where they can see themselves being the victim and turned on by situations that elevate their worth. I don’t think it’s gender-specific or limited to romantic situations

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        • @Me fail english?,
          and btw. did anybody even like the movie? was i the only one that noticed the expressionless son? wtf was that about?

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  24. Hilarious how I went to google Stringer Bell as I dont have HBO and came back and noticed the discussion edit.

    I dont think I’ve ever experience a man actually fighting over a woman. Something about that just doesnt seem right. Men dont do that do they? I think thats something women do. Its not cute but some men get off on that. I have no idea why. If I have to actually fight to get/keep my man and I might fight in the literal sense, that ninja aint worth it.

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    • @klysha,

      Smooth with the switch

      ***this comment is also number 16 in the handbook of “things you should never say in reference to the champ”***

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  26. “why do we get so allured when women duke it out for a dude, and so appalled when the opposite occurs? ”

    I think that in your minds there’s a vat of mud or jello somewhere nearby, and the ladies will inadvertently wrangle themselves into it – all while miraculously switching from sweats and hoodies to bikinis in the process.

    You’re appalled when the opposite occurs because you’re running from nature – you’d like to think that you’re more evolved than common animals, and it hurts your egos when you realize that you’re not. In the animal kingdom males ALWAYS fight over females.

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    • @RedBeanzNRice,
      You’re appalled when the opposite occurs because you’re running from nature – you’d like to think that you’re more evolved than common animals, and it hurts your egos when you realize that you’re not. In the animal kingdom males ALWAYS fight over females.

      Niice!!! Gold star for this comment.

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    • @RedBeanzNRice,

      heh… Jello… preferably lime…

      But, yeah, the nature thing… when those society gorillas get to howling and fighting its only for 2 things, control of the tribe, or to impress a female, so yeah…

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      • @Cheekie,

        It was the same Bill Simmons quote as above and Champ asked for anyone to give him a single reason why anything Bill said is bullish. So we gave him 30 and he changed the title from “Phantasm” to the far more butt-sexish “Meow”

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  28. Nah, I dont believe this at all. I think more men go by the “Alls fair in love and war” credence than women. I’ve seen more men do things even the grimiest woman would balk at.

    As for the movies and all that, we just look better doing shady isht. A good girlfight is always going to be entertaining. Men are always hoping a breat will pop out like in Half Baked.

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  30. Champ – “why do we (men and women) get so allured when women duke it out for a dude, and so appalled when the opposite occurs?”

    Because nothing is worse or funnier (worse: when your man is involved; funnier: when someone else’s man is involved) than seeing two men slap-fighting each other.

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    • @Cheekie,

      Because nothing is worse or funnier (worse: when your man is involved; funnier: when someone else’s man is involved) than seeing two men slap-fighting each other.

      i think watching nba players (pretend to) fight is worse and funnier, but to each their own and sh*t

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      • @The Champ,

        did you see charles barkley on pti yesterday?

        “if you know the fight is gonna get broken up quickly, you have to ACT like your mad” (on dirk nowitzki getting bullied by kenyon martin)

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  31. @ Champ,
    I knew there was a reason that I am addicted to this site. I sent that same quote to some of my female friends last night and was ready to just sit back with my popcorn and enjoy the follow-up emails.

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  32. I don’t (and never have) do the fighting over a chick. Especially if a woman is married or in a relationship. My assumption is that she’s already screwing her husband/boyfriend currently and I’m not knowingly trying to go in after the next dude like that.

    For example, say if I’m suppose to “hook up” with her or something later in the afternoon or evening, the thought may occur to me that this nasty bytch just screwed her boyfriend earlier that morning, and then expects to screw me, and THEN go home to be with him again all in a 24 hour span. The thought of that turns me off to dealing with women like that.

    Not to mention, I’m selfish and shyt.

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    • @Monk,

      “this nasty bytch just screwed her boyfriend earlier that morning, and then expects to screw me”

      Very well said and sh!t

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  33. my bff is writing her dissertation on female relationships in young adult lit and how problematic they are

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  34. “why do we (men and women) get so allured when women duke it out for a dude, and so appalled when the opposite occurs?”

    simple. a tiddy might pop out, and moving breasts (and booty-cheeks) is the 8th wonder of the world

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    • @Carver The Great!,

      lol. Now “Booty Buttcheeks” is on endless loop in my head.

      Thanks alot

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  35. Guys will quickly holla at another man’s girl, fiance, wife, ex-wife, etc. I think some guys view this as a conquest. In college a friend of mine had sex with a has-been rappers girl. He still talks about it to this day.

    Both genders get down equally. I do notice a disparity with familiarity. In other words it seems more likely a female with go at her best friend’s mate, rather than a man going at his best friend’s date.

    Bond. BlkBond.

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  36. “why do we (men and women) get so allured when women duke it out for a dude, and so appalled when the opposite occurs?”

    A.) Because nobody wants to watch dudes act like b*tches.

    B.) Because the is the notion (perceived or true) that there is a small pool of good men to choose from and in the (paraphrased) words of Chris Rock “Men meet their friend’s girl and think ‘Wow, she’s nice. I’d like a girl like that.’ WOMEN meet their friend’s man and think ‘I want HIM!’”

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  37. I finally caught my breath after Me fail’s ‘butt sex’ reference.

    Any kind of fight will entice even the most non-violent passer-by. It’s entertainment.

    But in the case of this specific kind of confrontation I think women watch to be assured that skankiness will not go unpunished. When you see a chick, who was clearly wrong, get dragged around by her hair it’s basically good conquering evil. It reminds us that there is nothing to be gained by stabbing your sister in the back and serves as a lesson to all women. On the other hand if Evilyn gets the upper-hand then I personally lose interest and pray that the cops will come lock her up.

    Why do men watch? I think it just goes back to a fight being a form of entertainment. Why do they shy away from fights over women? That would show that they were emotionally hurt by another man. It’s okay to be physically hurt by a dude. But it’s less-than-masculine to admit that a man (other than an older relative) hurt your feelings. Men are not so incline to publicize their feelings whether it be verbally or in the form of a rumble (been watching West Side Story) with the Don Juan.

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  38. There are THREE lessons that were drilled into my mind as a child, 2 taught to me by my father, and the last by my mother. My father taught me, 1) ALWAYS , ALWAYS, ALWAYS BE AWARE OF MY SURROUNDINGS, 2) NOTHING IS FREE… And my mother’s lesson.. 3) NEVER COMPETE WITH OTHER WOMEN. I come from a family full of women. My great grandmother had 6 daughters, my grandmother had 4 daughters, I have 9 first cousins, and 8 of them are female, … and Out of all of the grandchildren I am the youngest (I’m 28… soon to be 29). Anyhow… Every single one of those women previously mentioned are verrrrryyyy different. For example, all off the women in my family are attractive women, physically ranging from a 6.5- to a 10. It just so happens, that the 6.5 is the plastic surgeon with the private practice… so you tell me who’s the “baddest chick”?. You may have a chick that is every bit of your dream woman, and couldn’t sukka wang to save her life!. Your ex may look at your new girl, and wonder why she got dumped for fat chikk… not knowing that the cute fatty has you at home cumming back to back every night…. or the ugly chikk with the messed up grill, that would go to the store everyday for you mamma, when she slipped in the tub and couldn’t get around the way she used to!..LOL!!….. I’m sayin…. just a few examples of why you should never compare yourself to other women!!!YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT SHE IS BRINGING TO THE TABLE. Ultimatly… when it comes to relationships… it all boils down to individual compatibiliy and chemistry.. NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY… You can not fake those to things into existance, so it doesnt make any sence to compare or compete with the next woman. It is a waste of time. CONFIDENCE IS ALWAYS ATTRACTIVE.

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