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Once Again, Black Women Did The Work White Women Refused To

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There will be plenty of time in the coming days, weeks and months to do a full post-mortem on what just happened last night — exactly how and why every projection was wildly wrong, what could have been done differently, whether or not Mike Pence is a sentient Death Eater, et cetera. There are a lot of assessments that we’re not far enough removed from to truly examine.

One thing is clear, however: this is not on us. And when I say “us” I mean that on multiple levels: Communities of Color, Black People, and ultimately, my fellow Black Women.

The exit polls are in. Despite all of the fair and empirical reservations Black Women had on putting our future in a Clinton presidency for a second time, 91 percent of Black Women with a college degree voted for HRC. Without a college degree? 95% No matter how concerned we were about how vested the Democratic leadership was in tending to our interests and our issues, we fell in line and carried the load that was demanded of us — as we’ve done time and again.

Conversely, the exit numbers on White women? Madame Clinton barely got a majority of college educated women, and was damn near pushed out 2-to-1 to White women without a college degree. When you continue to slice the data around the White Woman’s vote (party fealty, religious evangelism, age, etc), you have no option but to come to the conclusion that Clinton absolutely lost the White Woman block that was assumed to be in the bag.

This bring us to the message we’ve known for quite some time. When forced to choose between race and gender lines, White Women will overwhelmingly pick race, every time. We knew it when Susan B Anthony said “I will cut off this right arm of mine before I will ever work or demand the ballot for the Negro and not the woman.” We knew it when a disgruntled White female college student took her case against Affirmative Action all the way to the Supreme freaking Court, even though White Women are empirically the largest beneficiaries from said Affirmative Action.

In many ways, this election was a litmus test. When faced with a choice, where would the debris fall? Black people certainly didn’t underperform at the polls. For all of the paternalistic criticism the Black and POC communities have received over the past few weeks — being told to tell Cousin Pookie to vote and berated on the futility of the 3rd party vote — we showed up at the polls and fell in line for what was perceived to be the greater good, arguably against some of our own interests. Meanwhile 66% of White women voted for racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and all around incompetence.

The verdict is in. No matter what your social media news feeds or your group chats or your brunches may imply, the fact of the matter is we are not nearly progressive as a nation as we purport to be. But that burden is not on us. We as Black people — as Black Women — don’t bear the weight of the loss. If anything, we can breathe easier as the rest of the world is being exposed to what we’ve known for over a century. That White Feminism still rests on the laurels of White Supremacy. And that’s not changing anytime soon.

Shamira Ibrahim

Shamira is a twentysomething New Yorker who likes all things Dipset. You can join her in waxing poetically about chicken, Cam'ron, and gentrification (gotta have some balance) under the influence of varying amounts of brown liquor at her semi-monthly blog, shamspam.tumblr.com

  • Me

    My question to everyone: if you knew during the primaries (that people dislike her more than they hate Trump), what you know now, would Hillary Clinton still have been your choice for president? Would you still be okay with a DNC that muscled Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders out of the nomination? Would you still vote for her over a different candidate because she’s “our best chance at beating Trump?”

    • Junegirl627

      Yeah I would’ve still voted Hillary because she is a realist and Warren and Sanders are way too Optimistic. As much as I agree with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders beliefs I know that congress would’ve did them like they did Obama and stonewalled them until they were out of office. Hillary wanted change but knew that they would never let drastic change happen but she new that she could make gradual changes to the status quo and make quantitative changes in the quality of life of the disenfranchised that would amount to qualitative change as a whole.

      Wa

      • Me

        So in primary do-over, you’d rather vote for someone who expects to do little for you than to hold someone accountable who promises to do more at the risk of getting neither and ending up with someone who promises to undo what’s already been done for you?

        • Junegirl627

          No in a primary do over I would vote for Hillary because I am aware of a power structure that would never let Bernie or Elizabeth’s policy go through and nothing would get done. Look at Obamacare. He campaigned as it being a way to buy medicaid benefits and make it so that you pay an affordable price for care if you don’t already have healthcare. Had he did gradual steps like pushing forward small changes in healthcare and Rx coverage before the big intro of Obamacare it would’ve gone over better. the government and big business will always try to do what is needed to win.

          Hillary knows this and she was the only candidate that knew that in government you ask for an inch and take a mile until you are in a position to demand the whole dang thing. Obama Bernie and Warren show their hands

          • Me

            Hmm. So, if you knew in the summer that Hillary would lose against Trump because people specifically dislike her too much to vote her in, you still wouldn’t take a chance on a different candidate because that candidate would have to overcome Republican tactics? Isn’t that technically the same as voting for Trump then?

            • mr. steal your costco samples

              this really isn’t half as clever as you seem to think it is.

              • Me

                I’m not trying to be clever. I really want to know.

            • Junegirl627

              If we knew what we know now. we would’ve had large enough out comes in districts done better outreach and worked harder to get a better result. Also you act like a socialist native american and a socialist jew wouldve done better than a waspy wyte woman in middle america. common on

              • Me

                The apathy would be the same though. Are you saying you think things turned out the way they did because folks who didn’t vote for her weren’t targeted during her campaign? I’m not saying Sanders or Warren WOULD win. The reason I ask the question is because a big narrative during the primaries used against Sanders was “vote for the candidate that can beat Trump.” So now that we know Clinton can’t, I wonder if anyone would’ve been more willing to try a different candidate instead.

        • Elissa Malaikah

          Seems like she answered your question thoroughly, and I call BS on the “expects to do little for you” part. Nobody likened Hillary to our Great White Hope; we know the deal. Hillary’s fight for our ovaries and equality in pay, and so-on affects Chelsea too. She would have at the least, done job description, as opposed to as you pointed out, “someone who promises to undo what’s already been done”. That’s a no-brainer. Take my chance on the person with a proven history of doing something, or go with the one who makes no attempt to know me but eliminates basic protection. Are you serious?

          • Me

            That’s not what I asked. My question was, if we were all given the primaries (meaning Dem vs Dem) to do over again, and everyone knew that Hillary isn’t in fact able to beat Trump, would everyone who voted for Hillary still vote for her over other Democrat options. JG’s response stated that should would go for Hillary because she wasn’t as optimistic as Bernie or Elizabeth, which boils down to choosing someone who will do little rather than someone who promises more.

            • mr. steal your costco samples

              it is patently obvious that no one casts a vote in a primary for a candidate they think will lose.

              purify yourself in the waters of lake minnetonka

            • Elissa Malaikah

              Many people DIDN’T vote for her over other Democrat options, until there were no options. Love Bernie, but like she pointed out, he would have been stonewalled out of office. Hillary can play the game. This election is not a reflection that she COULDN’T beat Trump or her votes would be much lower, and his much higher. What it reflects is, as this article points out, we slept too…slept on vote splitters, and preservation of White privilege.

              • Me

                What do you think would’ve galvanized vote splitters around Hillary that wasn’t already tried?

                • Elissa Malaikah

                  Now see, much like Junegirl, I answered you already. Not sleeping. Similar to Obama’s campaign, we rolled deep, fussed out our non-voters, carpooled even. Still we slept. I’ve read countless articles and posts from the White I’m With Her Team, and their wayward MAGA relatives. We slept on them not changing their minds, and they also slept on their own platforms of privilege. We also slept on the MAGA crowd. They were all lumped into one basket of deplorables, and they became a THEM, instead of our co-workers and neighbors with their own valid fears. Not all his votes came from bigots. Some came from a general distrust (or mistrust) of government, something we can all relate to. They saw him as a harmless big mouth, one that we all know, and have shown love for at a time. They didn’t see the dangers to their lives, like we did. And we slumbered on all that.

                • Elissa Malaikah

                  We slept on millennials, and I’m not blaming them, but do you know how many of them wrote that gorilla’s name or Mickey Mouse on their ballet? Now I personally addressed the millennials in MY camp, and I slept with the assumption that they would educate their own. That’s a lost platform, and that’s just me. Bernie, as I said, love him, but his agenda is the people. You think that would have rocked with Congress? He never had my vote for that reason. And I ain’t mad at those who did. We all judge fights differently. “Sleep is the cousin of death”.

                  • Me

                    I agree on the millennial vote. I definitely think millennials were treated as an afterthought the whole year, which is weird to me because depending on older generations has a built in expiration date for any party that is thinking for the long term strategy.

                • Elissa Malaikah

                  And then, since you asked and all…look at what they judged her on. Not smiling, emails that were already investigated, Benghazi, a situation she wasn’t by herself on….in short, being a woman, but nobody wanted to say so, much like the hate for Obama. Her male supporters slept. They didn’t rally THEIR masses by calling BS, as we did for Obama. Nuff said?

                  • Me

                    Sort of. I don’t want to misinterpret you, but it sounds like if all that remained the same, getting non-voters behind her wouldn’t have changed the outcome. I’m just trying to see what the tipping point would’ve been. Or more so, were Democrats decidedly waiting for another chance to elect Hillary specifically rather than strategizing to keep control of the WH (kind of an “if not Hillary, then who?” question).

                    • Elissa Malaikah

                      Addressing the concerns of the non-supporters may have changed the outcome. A clearer understanding of the “deplorables” may have, as well. We were all too busy being angry. Statements like “if you vote for Trump then you’re a racist”, or “Voting for Hillary means you support the murder of innocent people”. Neither statement is inclusive of the other. It can be, but doesn’t have to be. We hear the same, those of us that support movements like BLM, then this means we hate police. Now some of us do, but definitely not all. Neither side is listening, all pushing their personal agendas or defending their own truths. I think this campaign brought out the ugly in the entire nation, where in the end, many felt forced to vote off their own principals, instead of who showed true leadership.

                    • Me

                      I definitely agree with this. I do think the nation got into a bullying contest and called it an election. My only hope is that despite the results people can forge forward regardless of who your candidate may have been and do what needs to be done to make this government work for us. It may seem impossible, but it’s not. The hope I’m holding onto is the fact that Trump doesn’t have the power to act unilaterally, and there are still some Republicans that won’t just roll over and take what he says as gospel. Thanks for answering my questions, though.

    • King Beauregard

      The DNC didn’t “muscle” anyone. Bernie lost because more people liked Hillary better. That’s on Bernie.

      Also, there’s no chance that the Trump supporters would support the atheist socialist Jew who wants to raise their taxes. You have to know this.

      • LMNOP

        There really are people who supported Bernie and then voted for Trump though.

      • Me

        Hillary did turn nearly 10% of Trump supporters though, but I’m not asking in terms of turning Republicans. What we did see, though, is that Trump supporters came out in droves to stop Hillary — something that may (or may not) have happened if it were a different Democrat candidate. So I wonder if folks would still throw their support behind her knowing how it wakes the sleeping giant rather than choose a less polarizing Democrat candidate to take their chances with.

        • King Beauregard

          If I could get into my time machine today and go back to June 2015, and my only choices were to support Hillary or support Bernie, I would support Bernie because i saw that Hillary didn’t work out.

          However, Bernie would be even less likely to work out. People didn’t support Trump out of Hillary-hate, they supported Trump because they liked what he had to offer. And Hillary got the majority of people making less than $50000 a year, while Trump got those making more … so if anything, Bernie would have given the relatively wealthy added incentive to support Trump and not see their taxes go up.

          • Me

            Ok. So you don’t believe that the Bernie supporters who don’t like Hillary would’ve made up the camp if it were the other way around? I ask because I remember reading somewhere that Hillary supporters were more likely to support Bernie if he won, compared to Bernie supporters supporting Hillary.

            • King Beauregard

              You’re trying very hard to construct a case that if it had been Bernie vs. Trump, Bernie would have won.

              I think the Bernie supporters who are subhuman creatures and didn’t support Hillary, aren’t the issue. The main issue is that people liked what Trump was selling. Weaknesses of the Democrat are secondary to that.

              And let’s be honest, Bernie would have been cranking out the mistakes. Trump would have made a complete fool of Bernie — goaded him into mud-fights, called him on his Moscow honeymoon, and so on. We Hillary supporters would have voted for Bernie of course because we are good and decent people who do what’s right for the country, but Bernie would have made such a pathetic spectacle of himself that he would have gotten fewer overall votes than Hillary did.

              • Me

                Alright, insults aside (because I don’t do the online name calling thing so I gotta skip over all the berating of Bernie supporters)…

                I’m not trying to say Bernie *would* win. I’m only asking if anyone would’ve taken a chance on someone other than Clinton now that they know that she specifically wouldn’t win.

        • Bwhy

          This is as much a false narrative as “Gary Johnson stole the election.” Bernie Sanders was not a viable candidate for several reasons and the largest being that most Democratic voters are center-leftists. We don’t believe in pipe dreams of free college and free healthcare. We do believe in minding our business (non-values voters) and making things more affordable for everyone (controlling capitalism). Bernie’s pie-in-the-sky was never going to move minority voters because we have never been offered a slice. EVER. IN. HISTORY. (Freedom, acknowledgement or our humanity, the right to vote and not being killed for kicks are crumbs at best.) And those large red swaths on the map were never going to ‘Feel the Bern’. Take this nonsense over to Buzzfeed or HuffPo.

          This is my first VSB comment ever, y’all. I love it here and feel like we’ll be hanging out daily now.

          • Me

            Interesting. So what’s your answer to the question? Would you have voted Hillary over Bernie again now that you know she couldn’t beat Trump?

            • Bwhy

              This will be my final reply because you obviously don’t like my clearly stated answer above. I was given a choice between Hillary and Bernie, I chose Hillary. If you asked me to vote again today, I would STILL VOTE HILLARY. Bernie Sanders would NOT have outperformed her in the General election. You are creating a dangerous and false narrative that could cost Democrats 2020 as well.

              • Me

                I don’t dislike your answers. Just trying to see what people think about the choices they were given/choices they made earlier this year. There’s no right or wrong. I’m just curious.
                However, speaking of 2020, what would be dangerous regarding the question I asked? If it’s the Bernie part, I only used him because he was an actual choice given, but you could insert anyone else in the same question as far as I’m concerned.

          • Junegirl627

            Soon as Bernie vocally agreed with the idea of reparations for black people I knew that a vote for him is a waste even if he wins.

      • Digital_Underground

        Yeah, Bernie wasn’t about to win the general election. The prospect of Sanders going way left and picking a Supreme Court justice alone would have electrified the Republican vote.

        There were many false equivalencies this cycle. The idea that Bernie was the Left’s version of Trump is one of them.

      • Also, the DNC didn’t think to develop a bench. A lot of it is on local leaders who tended to their fiefdoms and didn’t grow the party politically. This wasn’t a one-election thing. This was a slow process. Their bench slowly but surely eroded away, so as a result, all of their eggs were in Hillary Clinton’s basket. Once that didn’t work out…welp!

        • Digital_Underground

          I think both sides have this issue. The Republicans did have Ryan and Rubio on deck. But Ryan’s just saw his political life flash before his eyes when Trump was elected. So I’d count him anymore. And Rubio is meh.

          • Still, get rid of Rubio, Ryan and Cruz, and you have a bunch of options to at least look over. The Democratic Party barely has enough candidates for a primary this time. It’s Tim Kaine, maybe Corey Booker and *kanyeshrug*.

        • Me

          Do you think Hillary would’ve won if Democrats had more House and Senate seats before yesterday? Or are you just saying Hillary wouldn’t necessarily have to have been the candidate if that were the case?

          • Definitely the latter. Honestly, how many good options did the Democratic Party have?

            • Me

              Good point. Democrats sent 2.5 candidates to go head to head with 14 Republicans. Seemed silly then. Still does now.

        • Epsilonicus

          Its harder to develop a deep bench when Repubs hold more governorship and state legislative branches

          • True. But no one thought that they should matter. And the people in them were more concerns about collecting checks than doing anything political.

      • Mary

        Word. Bernie wasn’t gonna happen.
        Third party folks have to work their butts off and be well known in their state and preferably a few more before running for president. Who knew Stein or Johnson? If I’m wrong please set me straight.

    • CookieGugglemanFleck

      I voted for Sanders and really regret he wasn’t the candidate. He would’ve had a much stronger showing and it’s a likelihood we wouldn’t be where we are today. There would’ve been no Comey at the 11th hour mess, which no one is mentioning anywhere. Her polls completely turned around after that. PS Elizabeth Warren was never in the running for anything.

      • Me

        I know Warren never officially ran, but up until Clinton stepped down as Secretary of State, Warren’s name was being tossed around seriously, and there have been theories that the Clinton machine prevented her from running so that she wouldn’t have to compete against another woman for the historic distinction of first.

        I tend to agree with your assessment on Bernie, which is why I’m wondering how everyone else thinks about it. Republicans clearly put winning over everything, so I wonder if Democrats have it in them to do the same if they had a chance to do it over.

        • blogdiz

          People wanted Warren to run, bur she has always said she wasn’t interested in running plus she believes that she could do more good where she is.
          I am not the worlds greatest HRC fan but she has enough stuff of her own not to like her for without people making up stuff

          • Me

            I took Warren’s denials with the same grain of salt as Clinton’s denials when they asked her if she was stepping down from Secretary of State to prepare her campaign. I agree that Clinton had enough of a stand alone resume to nitpick about without constantly spotlighting the scandals, but that ship sunk as soon as the media saw their viewership spike after the first Trumpism surfaced. I don’t think anyone had a chance at a mature campaign from that point.

    • -h.h.h.-

      if elizabeth warren was a choice, she would have been my first choice (what can i say, i like ivy league law school professors)

      that being said, if the party that i chose to align with, wanted to go with another choice, i would recognize that choice as being inherently better and closer to my optimum choice, than any Republican candidate. because however a primary ends up, the party comes together and supports their candidate.

      *sigh*

      • Me

        Hmm. So are you saying that you would vote Hillary and not Bernie again, or Hillary and not Donald again. Follow up question: Are you a “vote every election” type, or do/have you ever sit out based on principal?

        • -h.h.h.-

          between hillary or bernie?

          i would probably go with Hillary. if bernie won the primaries? at the general election? i’d go with bernie

          after ’10, 2011, i became a vote every year character (i be slipping on the school board elections, the Lord is working on me) , i’ve worked polls which got me more interested, and i registered Dem last year or the year before so this year was the first time i voted four times (presidential primary, federal primary, state primary, general)

          • Me

            Hmm. I find the mentality very interesting. My take on this election season is that a lot of people took for granted just how much Clinton was disliked by constituents for more than one reason, and that played a key role in her losing — more than Trump dogwhistling to bigots. I think Trump supporters would’ve been less motivated to show up if it weren’t for the added factor of keeping Clinton out of office which is not solely a Republican point of view. As a result, I think the way the DNC handled Sanders ended up creating a faction of Democrats who chose to let them fend for themselves rather than vote for Clinton. I’d be surprised to learn that Clinton supporters would still choose her over Sanders even if they knew she couldn’t actually beat Trump.

    • Asiyah

      I wish I was allowed to vote in the primaries but I couldn’t due to me being a registered independent. I wanted to vote for Bernie so badly.

  • Nick Peters

    I think democrats (and black people) have a very bad habit of overestimating people…the truth is most people are tribal, most people are dumb and that most people are out for themselves and unconcerned with idealistic or symbolic endeavors.

    • TheCollinB

      They made us this way when generation after generation we were told to have faith in a master that clothed and fed us in return for breaking our backs for them. This mindset of overestimating is just one effect of systematic oppression.

  • PinkRose

    Becky is the primary reason why I transitioned my career into one where they aren’t represented in ANY significant numbers. I’ve said it before MANY times, gimme an Asian over a ww ANY day!

  • Cleojonz

    For all the white folks wandering over here saying “Not us we didn’t vote that way!…” We’re not making this sh*t up:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/blame-white-women-country-failure-shatter-glass-ceiling-article-1.2866025

    • Mary

      Some of that was party loyalty and apparently in some marriages the women vote the same way their husbands do. I heard conservative women bemoaning Trump’s sexism, but agreeing on the importance is staying with the party ticket. Shoooot!

  • MsCee

    This election has exposed so much. I’m sitting here trying not to be shocked and surprised. But here I am, shocked and surprised…and even a little sad.

  • Shitzkin Jones

    This’ll make you feel better niqqers

    http://oi43.tinypic.com/zkr5sz.jpg

    • -h.h.h.-
      • Junegirl627

        i wonder if his your mom got photographed in this pic did he ask her if she calls it doggy? you know since she’s the goat and all….

        Shouts to his daughter for fluffing the black guy

        • mr. steal your costco samples

          this is really vile stuff.

      • LMNOP

        flag and block user

  • LifeDelishUs

    This is 1877 repeating. We had 8 years of Reconstruction. The New Jim Crow as now been institutionalized (as if it wasn’t before) and acceptance on an unprecedented scale. It’s time to rearm and be ready.

  • Shitzkin Jones
  • Ustadh

    This gem from http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/blame-white-women-country-failure-shatter-glass-ceiling-article-1.2866025

    The last time Hillary Clinton lost, in 2008, she didn’t make it to Election Day. Obama defeated her for the Democratic nomination.

    White women at the time blamed black women for choosing race over gender.

    Black women had your back this time. Who are you going to blame now?

    • TheUnsungStoryteller

      Bingo!!!

  • PD ENC

    This is so deserved. I voted for HRC, stumped for her, and left no doubts as to my feelings for Trump. I felt justified, and righteous, and I shouldn’t have. We (ww) have so many fights in common with POC, including LGBTQ equality and still we allow this divisiveness. Even many of us that are allies or “progressive” stop just shy of breaking down that last barrier and reaching out to link up interests. Every time in the last year that someone has made a snide comment about BLM, or intersectionalism, or being politically correct…I just smiled and said, we’ll have to disagree. I was too afraid of my position and my professionalism to loudly and repeatedly say what should have been said, and I am so ashamed.

    • Junegirl627

      good you should be. i’m going to respect your buyers remorse it is well deserved but here is the thing. I have no time for a Feminist that didn’t protest the death of Sandra Bland because its a “black issue” I have no time for a Feminist who doesn’t stand up for people who push the “Angry Black Woman” Sterotype because you can’t Identify. News flash the same people who will call me and “Angry black woman” Call you a ball busting biih or say you have Peen envy but wyte women can’t see that because yall are too busy seeing color.

      Wyte women have never been at the forefront of change and gender equality because you never experienced all the adverse effects of being a woman. You don’t know what it is like to have to deal with all the effects of being a woman without protection. so yeah you didn’t speak out because then you would be without of your cloak of protection given to you by white me. All of you protected your cloak instead of realizing that by standing with us together YOU DON’T NEED THE PROTECTION OF WHITE MEN!!!

      think about it.

      • Jennifer

        “All of you protected your cloak instead of realizing that by standing with us together YOU DON’T NEED THE PROTECTION OF WHITE MEN!!!”

        MY GOD! I just cried out at my desk! When will people understand this!?!?

        • Junegirl627

          Its sooooooo frustrating. Meanwhile these same women who didn’t vote for Hillary said “I wish Michelle was running” really? come better. You expect me to believe that you wouldn’t vote for Hillary but you would vote for michelle.

          The same women who tried to drag her because she decided that helping her kids adjust to life under a microscope is more important than creating a political career. Were concerned that she was too educated to be happy as just the first lady and have constantly circulated disparaging remarks photos memes vines and articles about her.

          Come better we don’t have a first woman president because whyte women arent ready to have a woman president. because wyte women would rather create a profile on sugarbaby.com then get a job. Because wyte women wnat you to think they will fight real hard for gender equality but they won’t work for it.

          • Jennifer

            YES to all of this about FLOTUS. I remember all of it. The insulting Washington Post articles, the think pieces, the silence when she was disrespected on so many levels as a black woman. And, now y’all are chanting Michelle 2020?! #girlIguess

            • Junegirl627

              no I wouldn’t vote for flotus because she doesn’t deserve what they would do to her daily for 4 years and this nation doesn’t deserve her.

              • Jennifer

                …and FLOTUS ain’t trying to run. She barely wanted to be FLOTUS let alone get on the campaign trail for HRC and the Dems.

        • kingpinenut

          After the smoke dies out….

      • TheCollinB

        Chest tattoo status right. With cursive font.

        • Junegirl627

          i don’t understand

          • TheCollinB

            It’s worthy of being scribed into skin permanently

            • Junegirl627

              oh lol! sorry I didn’t sleep last night

      • PD ENC

        I agree whole heartedly. I will say I don’t consider someone a feminist if they think Sandra Bland or the ABW stereotype is insignificant or a non issue. Where I effed up was believing that of COURSE that’s wrong and unacceptabe but not mobilizing. Not adding my voice when it could have been powerful and not creating a space for others to be heard.

        And it works to the advantage of white men that ww and woc DON’T work together more. Your fight is my fight, and until I (and other ww) start living that reality, not just believing it, we’re going to keep losing.

        • Junegirl627

          I don’t have hope for it anymore.

          • FeeFee

            Black women, we are on our own.

        • Helga G.Pataki

          You are right and I hope that you start to have that conversation with other ww.

        • Scorpiogoddess??

          lol @your fight is my fight…..nah son. It ain’t. Let’s keep it ONE hundid.

      • I agree, but I think a lot of White women don’t mind r@pe culture, because they believe they can control it to use it against women they don’t like. They want to be safe, but they’re perfectly fine with other women being victimized.

        • Junegirl627

          i slightly disagree. they don’t want r@pe culture at all. and true they try to control and use it to bully women to their collective way of thinking but at the end of the day. They don’t want to see wyte men harmed in their fight. its wyte men over them always. unless/ until they are in a position to be harmed by wyte men

        • Digital_Underground

          Indeed. The concept of “whores” has been used by women of privilege to negatively impact other women for a long time. A short cut to disenfranchise another woman is to have her ridiculed for the same behavior you get away with. There is a long history of that with women of color being the subject of the ridicule and the social impact that comes with it.

          Plus, there are advantages to being the preferred women of the men in power.

      • Else Murray Johnski

        so what if you’re not that person but you’re still a white woman? what if you’re the person bringing coffee and firewood to the 4th precinct? what if you’re the white woman at work that noone wants to talk about BLM in front of because you liable to go off and start a conversation that they don’t want to finish? what if you walk and act in love and try to help where you can and still you get grouped as part of the problem? I don’t need you to give me a pat on the back or stroke my ego…i’m asking because i want to know how more to become part of the solution. I don’t need someone to write me a guidebook, i’m just saying that it’s worth thinking about. I know I hate being grouped and judged when i’m honest as fuck trying to take care of people. I know that you are no stranger to that feeling, but it’s not isolated.

        • Bwhy

          Else,

          Being grouped is NEVER fun, but in ‘Murica the pendulum swings both ways on that front. The best thing you can do to be apart of any solution is to keep confronting the source of the problem. Many people came to VSB today for a place to process and scream into a void. They skipped partisan sites and looked for a safe space where they aren’t hyphenated Americans. Please let them have this moment to process.

        • Lex

          “I don’t need you to give me a pat on the back or stroke my ego…” I think this is what you’re looking for tho because if you weren’t you wouldn’t have rattled off a list of your “good deeds.”

        • Junegirl627

          Then role up your sleeves and get to work on making sure you corner ofthe world is ready to do the right thing next time

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