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Once Again, Black Women Did The Work White Women Refused To

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There will be plenty of time in the coming days, weeks and months to do a full post-mortem on what just happened last night — exactly how and why every projection was wildly wrong, what could have been done differently, whether or not Mike Pence is a sentient Death Eater, et cetera. There are a lot of assessments that we’re not far enough removed from to truly examine.

One thing is clear, however: this is not on us. And when I say “us” I mean that on multiple levels: Communities of Color, Black People, and ultimately, my fellow Black Women.

The exit polls are in. Despite all of the fair and empirical reservations Black Women had on putting our future in a Clinton presidency for a second time, 91 percent of Black Women with a college degree voted for HRC. Without a college degree? 95% No matter how concerned we were about how vested the Democratic leadership was in tending to our interests and our issues, we fell in line and carried the load that was demanded of us — as we’ve done time and again.

Conversely, the exit numbers on White women? Madame Clinton barely got a majority of college educated women, and was damn near pushed out 2-to-1 to White women without a college degree. When you continue to slice the data around the White Woman’s vote (party fealty, religious evangelism, age, etc), you have no option but to come to the conclusion that Clinton absolutely lost the White Woman block that was assumed to be in the bag.

This bring us to the message we’ve known for quite some time. When forced to choose between race and gender lines, White Women will overwhelmingly pick race, every time. We knew it when Susan B Anthony said “I will cut off this right arm of mine before I will ever work or demand the ballot for the Negro and not the woman.” We knew it when a disgruntled White female college student took her case against Affirmative Action all the way to the Supreme freaking Court, even though White Women are empirically the largest beneficiaries from said Affirmative Action.

In many ways, this election was a litmus test. When faced with a choice, where would the debris fall? Black people certainly didn’t underperform at the polls. For all of the paternalistic criticism the Black and POC communities have received over the past few weeks — being told to tell Cousin Pookie to vote and berated on the futility of the 3rd party vote — we showed up at the polls and fell in line for what was perceived to be the greater good, arguably against some of our own interests. Meanwhile 66% of White women voted for racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and all around incompetence.

The verdict is in. No matter what your social media news feeds or your group chats or your brunches may imply, the fact of the matter is we are not nearly progressive as a nation as we purport to be. But that burden is not on us. We as Black people — as Black Women — don’t bear the weight of the loss. If anything, we can breathe easier as the rest of the world is being exposed to what we’ve known for over a century. That White Feminism still rests on the laurels of White Supremacy. And that’s not changing anytime soon.

Shamira Ibrahim

Shamira is a twentysomething New Yorker who likes all things Dipset. You can join her in waxing poetically about chicken, Cam'ron, and gentrification (gotta have some balance) under the influence of varying amounts of brown liquor at her semi-monthly blog, shamspam.tumblr.com

  • SB

    Yup, this was straight up 2520 stuff. This is on them and them alone.

  • miss t-lee

    We knew it when Susan B Anthony said “I will cut off this right arm of mine before I will ever work or demand the ballot for the Negro and not the woman.”

    Yup, this f*ckery is centuries deep.

    • blueevey

      In all the pictures I saw of people standing in line at Susan b Anthony grave, I didn’t see any women of color.

      Your commented reminded me of it. And sadly, when I saw the pictures and video, nothing seemed out of place.

      • miss t-lee

        I didn’t either. I’m glad I didn’t, because that part of the suffrage movement, wasn’t for us.
        I did see a sister tweet about folks going to Ida B Wells and other Black suffragettes graves and placing their stickers. And some did.

        • Mary Burrell

          Ida B.Wells should be celebrated for her courage and the work she put in.

      • Cleojonz

        I saw some black folks post it. I wanted to tell him you know she didn’t mean us right?

        • miss t-lee

          Bless their hearts.

      • Mary Burrell

        Do those white women know of the racism in the suffragette movement or maybe a good question is do they care? I guess i answered my own question they care more about their whiteness than they do about gender or racism.

        • They know.

          • Melissa

            I didn’t know, to my eternal mortification. I’m a 35 year-old woman with two degrees, so our schools are really doing a bang-up job.

            • Melissa… I don’t believe that. There’s nothing throughout America’s history that has dictated that we have had a fair shot or representation in ANYTHING. I think willful ignorance is no excuse. *shrugs*

          • TD

            They get sudden amnesia when it’s brought up. I had to make one #neverforget today.

      • TD

        Yeah, that’s in my hometown. A few WOC went but most of us were like:

        “Nah”

    • Mary Burrell

      Wow, Susan B. Anthony was a racist I have go do some reading now. Thanks for that.

      • miss t-lee
        • Mary Burrell

          I bookmarked this for my commute to read in the morning.

          • miss t-lee

            Awesome. ?

      • justtwo post

        Yes. Gandhi too. It’s interesting that Martin Luther King was influenced by him.

        • Mary Burrell

          I know all these famous so called people we held in high esteem. I was sad and disappointed to learn that about him as well.

        • overandout

          Gandhi did a great thing and his methods were top notch. Unfortunately anti-blackness is so pervasive that if you discount every good thing that ever happened because the person was a racist asshole, we’d never talk about anything. :(

          • justtwo post

            Gandhi was a degenerate. Probably burning in h3ll along with all the rest of the white people. You interested in joining them or something? You either think racism is a big deal or you don’t. If you don’t, I’m not interested in anything you have to say.

            • HoneyRose

              People, and life, are not so black and white.

              • justtwo post

                MLK was assassinated. It’s 2016 and we’re about to re-enter Jim Crow from the looks of it so no. No.

            • overandout

              WTF man, why are you on my case. Indisputable facts:

              1) removing the yoke of the British from India was a great accomplishment.
              2) his methods of non violence were useful and MLK did well to learn from them.

              Notice how I didn’t say that he wasn’t a fucking racist! I was merely lamenting that even the people who have done some of the greatest things (including Susan B. Anthony) have been racist fucks so we need to learn from them but take care of ourselves #1.

              • justtwo post

                BRO YOU’RE the one on my case. I already told you where I stand so WHY are you still bothering me? TAKE THE PROPAGANDA SOMEWHERE ELSE. I’m not like you. I’m not a fence hopper so what you’re doing is wasting your breath.

                • overandout

                  Sorry, I got the reply notices late. RELAX

          • Brother Mouzone

            I said in yesterday’s post..Indians are dam near as predjudiced as wypipo when it comes to us.

        • HoneyRose

          MLK was influenced by Gandhi’s tactics and strategies, not his racism. It was smart. You can take the good and leave the bad when planning a nonviolent revolution.

        • Asiyah

          I DESPISE Gandhi!

          • justtwo post

            That’s right!

      • HoneyRose

        Susan B. Anthony worked for abolition of slavery and equal rights for black people for her entire life. She wasn’t on board with an Amendment giving suffrage to black men without women also getting the vote – that’s what that quote meant. She (correctly) predicted that if women’s suffrage wasn’t included and campaigned for, it would be decades before women finally got suffrage.

        And what a lot of people leave out of this conversation is that black male abolitionists and activists were totally willing to throw black women under the bus – either telling them to “just wait” Or being ambivalent towards or against a woman’s right to vote and determinr her own destiny. Anthony got into a lot of arguments with black male abolitionists over this, as did black female activists like Wells and Truth.

    • Mary Burrell

      I just learned something new today thank for this reading about Susan B.Anthony and her racism and Ida B.Wells and her courage to speak out and put the work in during perilous times working against lynching of black men and women and she was a champion of women and their right to vote. So today i am learning about the racism in the suffragette movement.

      • miss t-lee

        It’s always been them vs us.

        • Mary Burrell

          You are right about that. They criticize us and say all we think about is racism but it’s there where they practiced this so why get mad when we learn what happened in history?

          • miss t-lee

            I wish I could understand.

        • Mary Burrell

          So much to learn in these e-streets

        • Mary Burrell

          You always have good information

          • miss t-lee

            Thank you. ?

      • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

        Yes, many suffragette activists were racists back then.

        • Mary Burrell

          I remember you saying that in a post on Clutch and i haven’t forgotten that. I think it was a post about the movie Suffragette or something Meryl Streep said and I recall something you wrote about the suffragettes being racist. So now it makes sense now.

          • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            I remember that too. Many suffragettes didn’t like Ida B. Wells, because some of them were jealous of her activism against lynching and her promotion of black freedom overtly. Ida B. Wells was a legend who not only fought against lynching. She came out to work in politics, education, journalism, and other facets of the black experience. Most white women voters voted for Donald Trump. That tells me that this election is a measuring of the massive vicious racism and sexism found in American society. Thank you for your eloquent words like always Sister.

          • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

            Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who previously had had a really positive personal and working relationship with Blacks and worked in concert with them to improve the lot of both Blacks and women lost her mind when Black men technically got the right to vote before White women did. Once that happened, you would never know that she had once been a champion of the cause of more liberty for Black people. After that 15th Amendment was passed, even Susan B. Anthony thought Stanton was extreme in her racial hatred broke off her association with her. Part of the problem was that a lot of people (White men) who were in the position to grant more rights to the groups of their choice said, ‘Sure, I’d be willing to help out your cause… as long as you disavow Black people and denigrate their causes.’ I guess I understand why they made the choice that they did, but it was still terrible for Black people and to be real these women took up the new cause a little too enthusiastically and a little too permanently for anyone to be naive enough to think that they were terribly pained over what they were doing.

            • Mary Burrell

              Thanks for sharing that knowledge. I always love reading your post. I can never get enough knowledge.

              • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                Thanks. Would you believe that Stanton, at one point, worked with and was very close friends with Frederick Douglass? He, of course, as well as being an advocate for Black people’s rights was also a vocal supporter of women’s rights, but that relationship with Stanton… that changed.

                • Mary Burrell

                  I read her parents were abolitionist she did a total 180, she totally flaked out.

            • Mary Burrell

              You have contributed to my knowledge today thanks Sis?

        • aychrist

          When Sojourner Truth said, “Ain’t I a woman?” she wasn’t talking to white men. She was talking to women that look like me – and this election is proof of how much women that look like me haven’t changed in 150 years.

      • Lisa

        Keep researching! I learned about that for the first time a couple years ago. The koolaid they make us drink in elementary school. Blacks, Native Americans, and Asians all should demand elementary schools teach the cold hard truth about the reality of some of these “historical American heroes”. We idolize Lincoln forgetting he hesitated to speak out against slavery as an institution because it was economically advantageous for the country and that he really went to war with the South because they wanted to secede from the Union and create their own country. The reason he made the Emancipation Proclamation was because taking away the slaves would financially cripple the South and make them easier to subdue, not to mention the Black soldiers he could recruit through the campaign. Oh, and the slaves he freed? He was hoping they’d all leave America and go to Canada because blacks and whites could never live together. It’s just deception and lies they teach in our schools on our history.

        • Mary Burrell

          True American history is whitewashed and sanitized a good book I purchased Lies My Teacher Told Me by James Loewen and Howard Zinn A People’s History of The United States are great reads.

          • Janelle Doe

            The firebrand and the first lady is another good book.

            • Mary Burrell

              Thank you will check it out just got Democracy In Black, How Race Still Enslaves The American Soul by Eddie S. Glauber Jr. off of Amazon.

            • Mary Burrell

              Pauli Marshall and Eleanor Roosevelt I will check that one out.

        • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

          Lincoln’s an interesting case. Towards the end of his life he saw the error in his previous apathy and came to recognise the evil that was slavery. This change actually occurred around the time of the signing of the Emancipation Proclamation, but yes, for the overwhelming majority of his life he didn’t give a toss about Black people, thought they were naturally inferior and was only interested in preserving the Union in the Civil War. Freeing slaves was a just a means to an end until he finally realised at the end of his life.

          About shipping Blacks off, that was a touch more complicated and he learned towards Jefferson’s (yeah, that monster) view that Black people and White people couldn’t co-exist because Black people would never be able to forgive and live in a society with ‘what we did to them’ (Jefferson’s words) permeating the country down to the cellular level. By the end of his life, Lincoln was of the opinion that Black people wouldn’t be permitted to prosper in a country that could treat them like that for so long and and didn’t want them to be free. He thought should go where they could live a slightly less anxious life out of immediate danger. He also believed that Black people would want nothing to do with a people and a country that had enslaved them, so why wouldn’t they leave?

          Messy country with a messy history. I’m Canadian so I can’t imagine what you’re going through. Canada is really, really racist (of course even more so and horrifically so towards our Indigenous people than towards Black people, but we’re right behind), but I’ve never had to face this kind of experience. Trump currently holds a 7% approval rating among Canadians so our relationship with you will be interesting. Something gives me the feeling that Trudeau and Trump aren’t going to be as friendly as Trudeau and Obama, Trump already called Canada a disaster, so I’m not optimistic. Condolences and good luck.

          • Trudeau is a class act. I got my middle name from his father.

            • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

              That’s pretty interesting. As with other leaders, there are those who had/have their problems with him, but a lot of people of colour have a soft spot for him. My mother, for instance, is from Jamaica and she came over to southern Ontario (where we remain) 1968 when the employment situation was absolutely dire. That wasn’t a phenomenon that was new to the late ’60s and you have to imagine that if someone (and the friends who came with her) was willing to relocate from the sunny, beach-flecked, community-oriented and naturally gorgeous Jamaica for General Winter it was for a reason. She, however, had been forced to stay in her (of course, beloved) homeland because there was no way that any Prime Minister prior to Pierre Elliot Trudeau was going to let Black, or any minority communities into the true north strong and pale.

              Now, the opening up to minority immigrants wasn’t purely for altruistic reasons, it was partly to temper tensions between Anglophones and Francophones, that was never a secret, but nonetheless, those tensions had existed for a long time and it was only Trudeau who was willing to let minorities in. Even before that, when a high-ranking official was asked how many Jewish refugees should allowed to relocate to Canada, he replied, ‘None is too many’, so the shift that occurred under Trudeau has huge.

              Justin can throw a punch, he was a boxer, so there’s a part of me that wants him to take out Trump the way he did with that jackass Patrick Brazeau (look him up, he’s awful). Sure it was charity event, but the sweet science had never been sweeter.

              • Patrick Brazeau just looks douchy.

                • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                  He had been arrested for cocaine crimes and beating women multiple times, but it only after he received kickbacks that he was removed from the Senate. Not that it meant much since Stephen Harper found him a nice cushy position once again. Makes sense, he was accepting the kickbacks from Stephen Harper.

                  Of course, prior to the charity event, Patrick Brazeau had to make a spectacle of himself, gloat about all the pain he was going to lay on him, partly because he’s much bigger and also because he’s awful. He didn’t know he was up against someone who had some boxing training. Justin Trudeau laid him out in a hurry and a nation cheered.

      • Pam Taylor

        See Angela Davis’ “Women, Race and Class”, copyright 1983.

        • Mary Burrell

          Thank you I will add it to my list as well there is so much to learn in regards to women’s issues in regard to race and class issues.

        • Yahmo Bethere

          Patricia Hill Collins, Paula Giddings

    • Judy Bauerlein

      Susan B. Anthony was FIRST an abolishonist who later became a suffragette and feminist. She started to work to end slavery when she was 16 years old, and headed up New York Chapter of the American Anti-Slavery Society. The quote that you use in your article is taken out of context. At the time that she said that she was working with both men and women, black and white, to earn votes for both black men and white and black women. Some of the men she was working with thought it would be easier and better to JUST fight for the African American MAN’s vote, excluding ALL women, black and white. She didn’t think that that was enough, and broke with the men and started working for women’s right to vote. So Susan B. did put race first, and her work toward ending racism and slavery lead her to see her own oppression as a woman.

      • miss t-lee

        Fly your Susan B Anthony cape elsewhere, because ya girl was fraudulent.

        • Judy Bauerlein

          If she was, I’d love to know more about it. Please do share any information about this.

          • miss t-lee

            Your Google works the same way mine does.

      • wanderlust

        Not entirely accurate. While she did start off as an abolitionist, she took a salient detour and choose her whiteness when it looked as though the right to vote for white women would be threatened. http://www.npr.org/2011/03/25/134849480/the-root-how-racism-tainted-womens-suffrage

        • Judy Bauerlein

          She did, you’re correct, but she was not only fighting for the white female vote, she was fighting for the FEMALE vote, and that included black women. At any rate, white women, like myself, need to do MUCH more for racial equality. This I agree with 100% and I will continue toward racial justice for all.

      • miss t-lee

        Strategic racism doesn’t make it any less racist.
        I don’t think they understand.

        • I think we don’t give them enough credit about understanding… THEY KNOW.

          • miss t-lee

            You know what? You’re correct.

            • Girl, they’ve been in this game for centuries… AIN’T NOBODY THAT DUMB.

              • miss t-lee

                Indeed chick.
                INDEED.

      • EWilliams1914

        Ok this had me cracking up.

    • Brother Mouzone

      And they put her on money…smh.

      • miss t-lee

        Yup. I have some of those dollars that my parents saved for me.

  • Mika

    Still trying to process it all together. We have to be the laughing stock of the world right now.

  • This is squarely on Becks…and Wotepian dudes just don’t try it today. It’s not prudent for you to try.

  • Val

    Welp.

  • HouseOfBonnets

    All of this. (mic drop)

  • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

    In other words it was a bunch of she said, she said. Folks running their mouths and numbers but didn’t know what they were talking about. I don’t do numbers and statics. This outcome is why. Who said Hill had the white women?

    • Deeds

      The polls and white women themselves.

      • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

        Ah, the polls. Or everyone hoping?

  • Men lie, women lie….numbers don’t.

    I’m still trying to process it all….I feel, betrayed? in a way. We held our nose and went with Hill, for their sake and our own only to turn around and realize they all snuck out the back and left us looking like boo boo the fool and one of our little friends.

    • MsCee

      We were like:”Man I don’t know about Hillary”
      They were like:”Yeah, us either but we definitely can’t let Trump win”
      So we were like:”Ok, cool…we got it”
      Then they were like:”Gotcha, just kidding #MakeAmericaGreatAgain”

      • They hit us with a steel chair and sprayed NWO on our back

        • #facts

        • Which is funny because Trump is basically Vince McMahon.

          • Cheech

            Vince and Linda McMahon are the chief funders of the Trump Foundation (to which Trump has not donated since 2008).

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        • KING ROKOKO

          HAHAHAHAHAHA

        • pop_top

          This accuracy.

      • StacyAustralia

        pretty much

      • I Tompcos

        They scared us- but only us. we voted out of fear and everyone else voted their best interest- this also happened in the primaries- no one voted for clinton but poc we abandoned our best interest to vote for her even though every poll taken during the primaries showed she could not beat dtrump – we can do better- We could have had Bernie. who in every single poll ever taken had him beating trump by double digits –

        • Sweet Ga Brown

          The super delegates let us down big time in that one. Even where Bernie did good the super delegates voted for Hillary.

          • I Tompcos

            yes it was total corruption within the party. I agree that played a large part, but still knowing all this- the “with HER” crowd supported HER and the corruption-as a result we lost the WH- most people will not vote for t an outright corrupt politician, and the way Bernie was treated during the primaries did not shine a very bright light on HRC it was not a good look – by trying so hard to damage Bernie she also damaged her chance for ever becoming president as well.

        • Reina Benoir

          I didn’t vote for her in the primaries. People made fun of me because I voted for the “socialist” but his policies were in my best interest. He didn’t make it so I pulled the lever (sort to speak) for her after I finished plugging my nose.

          The Democratic party isn’t doing a damn thing for us. They expect our votes as though it were their due and shove candidates at us who don’t feel like they need to talk to us and address our issues.Clearly white people don’t have that problem, the person who is pretending to address their issues is a liar and a con man but they voted for the person they thought would do what they want. There are a lot of reboots that need to happen in this country, how the Democratic party deals with us is one that we can manage in the near future as in right away.

          • Church!

          • I Tompcos

            good on you- we knew better, but the “with Her” crowd were just too stubborn to listen.

        • Eri Cad

          I also voted for Bernie in the primaries. They didn’t scare me. I did vote out of my best interest.

          • I Tompcos

            yes those who knew better did,[vote for Bernie] and thank you. but there were far too many “with HER” folks who would not listen to reason and insisted this woman who in fact ran a very dirty and sloppy campaign be the democratic nominee. As shown in the above article- hopefully this will be a wake up call and possibly those who didn’t want to listen to all the concrete facts about this candidate and her policies will understand how important to consider these things before backing any future candidate.- peace.

        • Deb Brouhard

          Folks, Bernie could not have won in the general election. Why, because deplorables are voting on one issue —race. Make America white again means going backwards to Jim Crow, gays in the closet, women in the kitchen. Does that sound like Bernie’s platform to you? Plus you add Socialist to the mix and Trump’s base would freak out. Bernie wouldn’t have got one Trump supporter for his progressive agenda. His defeat would have beem equal to Goldwater’s

          • Chloe

            I agree and also Bernie is an atheist which the GOP would have publicized and weaponized to the point that he would have been tarnished beyond viability. Given that most Americans identify as Christians, even on the Left, they’d never elect a ‘scary, heathen atheist’ as president.

            • I Tompcos

              –um his own party did that already- they caused him more harm than any republican could have.[between election fraud and every other dirty trick they could come up with] Bernie was too good for them- the entire Democratic party from DWS to Donna Brazile cost us this election! – and you are still doing it- even after “HER” lost.[aren’t we better together?” oh yes that was all just bs to get his votes- well we didn’t buy it and your comment says we weren’t wrong – smdh

            • I Tompcos

              –um his own party did that already [until the pope invited him out to the vatican to speak] – they [Dem party] caused him more harm than any republican could have.[between election fraud and every other dirty trick they could come up with] Bernie was too good for them- the entire Democratic party from DWS to Donna Brazile cost us this election with that type of nasty propaganda and you are still doing it- even after “HER” lost. weren’t we supposed to be “better together”? Bernie is still a part of the democratic party you know -oh yes that right- that was all just some total bs they came up with in order to get his votes- well we didn’t buy it and from the sounds of your comment we weren’t wrong in our suspicions – really please it’s time to stop all the foolishness – smdh

              “First of all, I am not an atheist,” Sanders said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” The emails showed top party officials tried to undermine Sanders’s presidential campaign.

              http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/289002-sanders-i-am-not-an-atheist

              • Danielle

                I’m honestly not sure why people think that Bernie would have won either. He is a Jewish man with liberal views. The people that voted for Trump are the complete opposite, the outcome would have remained the same.

                • MarieKersey

                  It’s true that Bernie would absolutely not have won a single Trump-supporter, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional or deeply ignorant of the antisemitism + fear of “communism” of the Midwest.

                  But, HRC seems to have mainly lost on low voter participation amongst would-be *democrat* voters. It is unforgiveable in my view – Trump is an actual existential threat to life on earth, and that’s absolutely no exaggeration – but it’s true – people were so unenthusiastic about her they neglected to get out the vote, at least in the states that mattered most. (And not just whites btw.)

                  There is a slim possibility that Bernie Sanders would have activated more voters. Because everyone wants what seems like a genuine change, not just conservatives. He wouldn’t have been able to accomplish it once president, but he would have been a genuine shift ideology-wise. We’ll never know, but it is possible.

          • I Tompcos

            unbelievable, pull yourself together- and stop believing everything you hear on MSM- no those things are not on trump’s platform- No one wants HRC for president – I’ll deal with trump for 4 years thank you- oh and – it is this way of thinking that has given us a trump presidency- you “with her” folks didn’t want to listen. now we have trump, and you have 4yrs to learn how to vote in your best interest. please stop the fear feast and put on ya big girl panties and deal with it- understand unity is the way to go. besides the DNC is toast- post the huge #Demexit .

      • pls

        In college there was this 2520 girl who always swore she was gonna bomb the tests in this one class. “Yea I’m not even gonna study cuz it’s just no chance.” Flash forward to test day this heaux got a 99! Bish you studied!

    • Objection

      I don’t feel betrayed. I talked to Native Americans before I deal with white people, they got that 411 on white America. They told me, “Industry rule #4080. . . .”

      • justtwo post

        American Indians don’t like white people and they’re just brazen with it. I’m wondering what would it take for black people to get to that point. Probably separation.

        • Probably. For all its faults,at least they have the reservation.

          • Dusty

            Can we please, please, please not do the same racist thing as those who are open about their prejudice and can we get away from branding other people as ‘they’?

            • Native Americans. Better?

              • Dusty

                Not exactly. You missed the point — whenever we balkanize by separating into ‘we’ and ‘they’ those who are in power and wealth will always win. The wealthy few want to have the rest of us fighting with and demeaning each other, and distracting ourselves from the solidarity of common purpose and common action by which we could change the course of national and community life. White power-brokers did this during and after the Civil War, and continue to do so, as Clarence Jordan delineated so very well – white Southerner though he was. DBoySlim, we just have to get to the place where we can say “WE” rather than “we” and “them”. I carry both First Nation and Anglo heritage in my body — my family walked that stony road of the Trail of Tears, and my family enslaved Africans brought across on the infamous Middle Passage. Oppressed and oppressor, it is I. And I do believe, as our President Obama said, that ‘we are all mutts’. At some level, all of us need to search into the ways we divide and learn how to come together. It’s always harder for the ones who have historically been oppressed, especially as a group, but at least these ones are totally aware of that oppression and not carrying it around as an unrecognized burden. But however we can assist each other, however you and I can assist each other, please can we do that?

                • I appreciate your candor and I understand where you’re coming from. I can get with this approach.

                  • Dusty

                    Thank you! What a pleasure to exchange ideas and more with you. Bless you this day!

                • Jazmin

                  But, sadly that is not human nature. There are differences between the We’s that prevent us from coming together. That we are all people of color is notmenough. It is human nature to divide ourselves and to compete for limited resources.

        • Dnice744

          40 acres would be a start.

          • It would but 40 acres is like ten city blocks. They are not giving that up.

            • Dwight Johnson

              They already gave us that…in the form of projects.

              • Stefanie Kelly

                if it was in the form of projects, then it was not our promised 40 acres.

        • Chloe

          They like white people, 50% of them marry white.

          • justtwo post

            No they don’t.

    • ryan

      I am going to be real. If the only way you paid attention to the election was through the lens of the MSM (New York Times,CNN etc.) then yeah this is a surprise. But the reality is there was no way she was going to win. I source my news from various places, including The MSM, right-wing news sources (fox, drudge etc) true liberal news sites, and even conspiracy sites, and the truth of the matter is her negatives were to high. to run through a few
      1 wikileaks.org the DNC and Podesta leaks. I remember during the debates reading a comment on here after Trump referenced them. The commenters said something along the line of “yeah like wikileaks is a real source” well it is, and their track record is impeccable and if you actually read the emails for yourself they will show you how incredibly corrupt and morally bankrupt Clinton, her campaign, and the DNC were from the jump which segues into..

      2) the Clinton foundation with its troubling list of donors, and the fact that it was used as a personl piggy bank by the clintons (fun fact, did you know that Chelsea used 3 millions dollars of foundation money for her wedding? No? Go read wikileaks) and its Friends of Bill list

      3) Correct the Record and her campaigns collusion with the MSM( wikileaks). CTR and that MSM collusion the reason that allot of the previous things probably didn’t hear about any of that stuff in my first two points. with CTR’s army of paid shills and bots on the internet, on liberal leaning sites all these things were wiped clean, while it did nothing to consevative sites( where allot of white people get their news) this meant her constituency was misinformed about her chances.

      4) IF she had been elected that would mean that for the at least 28 years out of 32 either Bush or a Clinton was in the whitehouse, and ain’t nobody got time for dynasties.

      There are more but those re the majors

      • Betty’s Babygirl

        IMOP she was elected because:
        1. ‘murica was not going to allow a woman in the WH right after a Resilient. All vestiges of them must be removed and the entire place sanitized, literally and figuratively
        2. Reaffirm wypipo supremacy at all cost even if it meant attempting to set the clock back to 1950.
        3. To keep women in their place.

        Instead they chose to elect:
        1.They chose a person who stiffs small businesses. When they sue him he keeps them tied up in court. They don’t have the money to compete so they chalk it up to a loss.
        2. A person who has been sued for racial discrimination
        3. A person who creepily ogles and talks about his daughter as if she were not his daughter
        4. A peraon who is on his 3rd marriage with his 3rd mistress
        5. A person who openly courted white power groups and extremist
        6. Is as thin skinned as a butterflies wing (sorry butterfly for comparing you to him)
        7. Makes fun of the disabled, the obese, and assigns women numbers in terms of there attractiveness
        8. Dog whistled racial hatred by making his slogan “Make America Again”, thinks stop and frisk is great policy
        9. Insulted Mexican people the day he announced the day he announced his canidacy for president.
        10. Stole Nixon’s theme of being the law and order candidate
        11. Promises to deport “illegals” and break up families
        12. Admired by Putin

        Any justification of any of the facts listed above is rationalization for having chosen an inexperienced, bigoted, narcissist as the leader of what once was the free world.

        • ryan

          No the problem is the democrats ran flawed and corrupt person, rigged it in every way and still lost. were there racist and sexist who voted for her? sure? but then how did he win the white women collage educated vote? Because they’re sexist? No because of the reasons I Stated above

          • Kullervo

            He won the “white women collage [sic] educated vote?” because said white women were *racist*.

            • ryan

              And that attitude is why she lost, How were they racist? Were they racist when they voted overwhelmingly for obama in 08 and 12? when you dismiss epople without trying to understand them, why would they support you. I am almost certain had Bernie had the nomination, or Elizabeth Warren , the results would have been different.

              • enhancedvibes

                If you really think this country is ready to elect a jew or a firebrand like Warren to the highest office in the land in the current political climate i want some of what you’re smokin!

                • ryan

                  They said the same thing bout trump in 2015

              • Kullervo

                And I am almost certain that if I read any more of your poorly worded drivel my head is going to explode.

                You tried though and that’s all that matters.

              • This is spot on. HRC talked at and not to her supporters and she was so focused on blacks that she completely IGNORED poor white trash (rural whites) and college educated white women.

                • It started with “I’m With Her”. Such an awful, selfish slogan. You have to get on her train. Never mind what she has to offer. Obama offered hope and change. Trump wants to make America great again. These slogans are always terrible, but any marketing 101 student could tell you hers was pretty bad considering the baggage she came with.

                  • Asking everybody to accept that foolishness. AND folks were drinking the Kool AId.

                  • Yahmo Bethere

                    BOOM. I DID vote for her, but deeply resented at how her nomination (well before the convention) seemed like a coronation.

                  • Jazmin

                    Clinton had no message. Catch phrases work. As horrible as Trump is, he ran a memorable campaign that accomplished all that it said it would.

                • Shecodes

                  Not true. She spoke at length to the PWT, more than to the blacks by far. But her ‘deplorables’ comment hurt her bad. White people don’t believe racism exists (they’re psychotic) and the most leftist white person suddenly becomes the KKK when you tell them it does.

                  • Dusty

                    Some of us white (in appearance) women know racism exists and is a deep ulcer in our nation. Some of us who are not even extreme leftist act against racism, sexism, and gender bias every day of our lives. Some of us have become conscious-raised about our own internalized prejudices and suspicions and narrowness.Please do not brand every single person not quite like you as psychotic or blind. That’s as prejudicial as it comes.

              • aychrist

                Obama didn’t win white women, college or no, in 2008 or 2012. But hey, thanks for your completely uninformed hot takes.
                http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/whats-up-with-white-women-they-voted-for-romney-too

            • Blueberry01

              Lol @ [sic] ?

          • enhancedvibes

            But while she was a flawed candidate, no politician is perfect after all, she has never been proven to be corrupt, it is all optics. Sexism IS a large reason why she didnt win. Engrained sexism means that men, women and children are all subjected to it, we all internalize it.

            • Clockwork

              I really believe that the majority of Trump voters are misogynistic and racist, but those hacked emails really expose Hillary Clinton as being corrupt.

              • Jazmin

                But…corrupt as compared to whom? Mother Theresa? Until,we are able to view comparable emails from every SOS who has ever served, we really don’t have much of a basis for comparison, do we? Politics is a corrupt business. it is simply a matter of degree and intent.

                • Chloe

                  Even Bernie said that if his emails had been hacked, they’d found nasty stuff too. We need to leave Wikileaks out of this since they’ve already been exposed as having a political, pro-Trump agenda. If they were truly neutral and objective and only concerned with exposing corruption, why not hack Trump’s emails and the RNC’s servers too? Wikileaks founder wanted Trump to win and hacked Hillary’s emails to help him win. They have zero credibilty.

            • ryan
            • KNeale

              She’s definitely been proven to be corrupt. Maybe you’e thinking corrupt in America. Cuz I would call rigging international elections, initiating coups etc. to be corrupt.

              But listen I still voted for her though. I don’t know what this guy Ryan is talking about but my personal opinion is that her being a woman wasn’t as big of a factor as people are condensing it too. Its way more complicated than that.

              • enhancedvibes

                She hasnt been proven any such thing. Her job as SoS is to represent the administration’s policies and positions. She isn’t the only person involved in the issues you give her sole responsibility for; I’m sorry, but no, that is not how govt works. She may be complicit in making poor decisions while in an appointed position, but no one is perfect, and public service is not an easy job.

                It really does have a lot to do with sexism and the fact that propaganda (ie lies) work. The American electorate is easily swayed by lies, they dont want to engage in their due diligence to learn the truth.

                • KNeale

                  Its been proven, friend. ITs written in her emails. Her interfering with international elections. And I never said it was just her. But thats the thing with technology, we have receipts on her like nobody before. This won’t be the last time this happens. Democratic voters especially the more liberal side are supposed to rail against American imperialism. Thats what we do. And now we have her emails talking about fugging up Venezuela. Its ok to say, she not the only one. But its not good. Its not lies, its what she did. People are now starting to realize even more so than before how there really aren’t two parties in this two party government. People have been saying that for millenia but now we have Wikileaks. I voted for Hilary but I gotta call a spade a spade.

                  • enhancedvibes

                    ” Her interfering with international elections”

                    Where can you read these specific emails? I have already conducted several google searches and cant find anything. If you claim this is in the emails, provide a link please. Thanks.

                    It likely won’t matter. Pretty much all the emails I have read so far, aside from the ones involving the DNC (which still did not lead to a rigged primary since nothing forced over 3M people to vote for her more than Sanders), are much ado about nothing. The email leaks reveal how little Americans understand about how govt works, but in short, the SoS represents the administration though they are tasked with their jobs due to their own expertise, knowledge, opinions etc. Nothing Clinton did while SoS was without support of the Obama administration, nothing.

            • Dusty

              Yes, yes, yes, enhanced vibes! Thank you. I have been watching Hillary Clinton being demonized since Vince Foster and Whitewater — and those who are swiftboating Mrs. Clinton keep going back and exhuming poor Vince Foster and attempting to claim he was murdered by Mrs. Clinton. Mrs. Clinton has been hounded by examination after examination and NEVER has there been actionable material sufficient to bring formal charges. Let’s all remember, folks, (that despite what happens to poor folks and folks of color and ignorant folks and anyone who doesn’t belong to that 1% or so) the American law still says that an American is to be presumed innocent until 1] charges are brought publicly against the person, who 2] has the right to know those charges and defend self against them, in public trial, with defense/legal assistance, 3] in a court with a jury drawn from local citizens (not always in practice a ‘jury of equals’), and the charges must be proven to that jury’s deliberation as substantive enough for them to agree that the individual is guilty, 4]at which time the presiding judge pronounces guilt and assigns some sort of punishment. NOT ONE of those actions has ever been brought against Mrs. Clinton. Therefore, Mrs. Clinton is not guilty of crimes, she is innocent. Flawed, yes: which of us is not? But most of us have not had the National Enquirer posting unflattering photos and lies on their front cover for us to have to view as we go through the supermarket checkout line and internalize to familiarity whther we want to or not.

              • Chloe

                Plus the fact that the owner of the National Enquirer is a friend of Trump’s. It was revealed during the primaries that Trump told them to run damaging stories about Ted Cruz.

            • Stefanie Kelly

              there is an unwillingness to admit the internalized self hatred that lead to so many men & women & their BS “she’s just as bad as Chump” crap.
              #disgusted

          • Notorious FWC

            Oh I think they’re all kinds of f’d up in all those ways. They’re well skilled in all sorts of f’ery

          • Deb Brouhard

            Why did Trump win the white college educated vote, for the same reason Trump won the uneducated vote—race. Why is it that Hill had to be without flaws but Trump can be the most flawed candidate ever running for president? If Hills flaws bothered then why turn to a more deeply flawed person who is racist and misogynistic against the people voting for him? The educated white women didn’t want a woman and wanted to preserve their race. Seems folks only want to focus on Hillary’s flaws, why? Give me a break.

            Trump was given a pass by the media who made a false equivalency of his qualifications to hers. They gave him legitimacy to his racist, sexist views. They laugh at his misogyny and his tweets, his bullying. Sometimes you wouldn’t even know Hill was running. So don’t go puting her lost on flawed character then dismiss Trump’s flaws. If Hill had been a white man with nothing different Dems would have won in a landslide. Her main issue is name recognition and longevity, then followed by gender. I don’t even think Bernie would have won because white uneducated folks want to take this country back to when they were on top and nothing in Bernie platform was going to give them a rigged platform to compete on and win.

        • ladyfresh

          *applauds*

        • Blueberry01

          13. A person who will be on trial this month for defrauding people in a fictitious university.

          14. A person who was accused a sexually assualting a 13 year old, will start the criminal proceedings next month.

          • DC

            That’s been dropped. Keep up. And there were never any “criminal proceedings”, they were civil proceedings. There is a difference. You can sue anyone in civil court.

        • Johnny Boy

          Assigns women numbers in terms of there attractiveness. You gonna tell me you weren’t bumping the Radio killa’s jam back then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTWDpFc7gsU

        • KNeale

          I’m still not ready to definitively say that she was not elected because she was a woman. Especially when so many white women voted for Trump. Its levels to this skit. I think more of what galvanized Trump’s supporters from the beginning was racism against Latinos and Muslims (and then obviously Blacks but Trump didn’t direct so much of his public comments toward us, comparatively). The NYTimes exit polls show that Republican voters first concerns were “immigration” and “terrorism”. In fact, Trump is a known mysoginist but he had the crowd (white people) going wild before Hillary was even his opponent and he was still battling out with Rubio and Cruz (who by the way,whether you know it or not, would have been way much more of a problem than Trump). I’m not saying that sexism wasn’t a part of this race. I’m not saying people didn’t vote against her because she’s a woman because I’m sure some people did that. But to say its because “the country” didn’t want a woman president is too much of a full stop. This loss is WAAAYYYY more complicated than that. And I would argue it had more to do with race than gender.

          • Betty’s Babygirl

            Being a woman was only one reason she was not elected. However, it was a significant one. Much of what you said also played a factor. I don’t know your age but in 1984 when Walter Mondale selected the late Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate, you’d of thought he had chosen an alien. We have not evolved as much as some would like to believe in terms of women’s rights. Obviously since Drumpt is the President -Elect. And I’m not even addressing Resilient Women and our plight. Don’t underestimate the depth of misogyny in this world, That would could be dangerous.

            • KNeale

              I don’t underestimate misogyny I’m just saying we didn’t really get to test it out on this election. Its too complicated. To say ‘America just didn’t want a woman’ is a conclusion without an intersectional analysis, in my opinion.The exit polls say the top 2 issues of Republican voters was immigration and terrorism (race and race). It suggest that there were people out there that were like ‘I don’t agree with these huge/ field changing/ extremely bigoted positions, but I just can’t have a woman in the white house’. And I don’t think that’s true to an extent to equal (as oppose to playing a part of) a loss. I think these voters were in agreement with these bigoted and race baiting positions and that was the primary reason over her gender.

              • ladyfresh

                You are not giving an intersectional analysis. Betty’s Babygirl actually is because #2 puts racism into the equation. Yours wants to overlook misogyny if not downplay it. Saying its too complicated thats your failure to understand how to factor it in. Black women understand that intersectionality and how to factor it in. Now stop using the word because you really don’t know what it means.

                • KNeale

                  Honey calm down because I am a black woman that very much understands the word intersectionality and very much voted for Hillary and very much need you to stop being rude when we were having a civil conversation. And to clarify: Its too complicated to condense her failure down to that one issue, not too complicated for me to understand. #itslevelstothisschitt

                  • ladyfresh

                    Not sure if you are a black woman frankly you would know better than to:
                    a. call me a person you don’t know ‘honey’ don’t try that condescending crap w me, take it elsewhere
                    b. nothing rude about what i wrote and definitely nothing excitable, no need for you to try to “calm me down”
                    c. i really don’t think you read what Betty’s Babygirl wrote because she clearly did not condense it down to that one issue.

                    #yourlevelsclearlyarenotuptomylevels
                    #getonourlevel

                    • KNeale

                      you didn’t quite get the “levels” reference did you. anyways. go on your way. honey.

                    • ladyfresh

                      Girl you’re dismissed no worries

            • Stefanie Kelly

              i think the unwillingness to acknowledge the misogyny in this situation is really troubling. men & women who will not admit to it remind me of those who “don’t see color” –
              #saveit

              • Betty’s Babygirl

                They deny it at their own peril.

          • Deb Brouhard

            So many white women didn’t vote for her. One site said 53% of white women voted for Trump, and VSB said 63% , but whichever is right, white women voted for white. In almost all states, the 49 to 48% Trump win means that if white women voted for Hillary she would have won. So their votes would make a difference. Even millennial didn’t vote either, and Bernie’s folks went 3rd party so now they have no seat at the table at all. Not a smart move and frankly most will disappear in the off elections anyway.

            But look at how much white men came together to attack her, from all sides and even the FBI was in cohoots as well.

            This country has elected dozens of “dishonest” people for president (Nixon ring a bell?) so yeah gender played a strong role when 50-60% of white women don’t vote for another woman she couldn’t win.

        • Dusty

          Sadly, Betty’s Babygirl, you are so right. (Speaking as a mixed-race Cherokee/Anglo) I think as you do, that nationally, it was and will continue to be a steep uphill for any woman to crack the White House. The desire on the part of anglo men to keep women of any color or age ‘in their place’ is overwhelming. A woman is lying if she says she personally has never experienced prejudice, being objectified, expected to do (fill in the blank) more, differently, for less pay and less recognition, with more fragile job security…than most any male of the white and straight persuasion. If that road uphill is so steep for white (in appearance) women, it is even steeper and rockier and full of danger for women of color. NEVERTHELESS, there ARE women of whatever color and whatever gender and whatever education who are willing, who already have, come together in solidarity. (There are even some white (in appearance) women who aren’t acting as if they have to control that solidarity! Okay — we aren’t really fully there, yet — but the action and solidarity are better than they were when I was a young pup.) Let’s keep on keeping on. We are treading a stony road, but there is victory in the distance. We can still be singing that excellent 3rd verse of James Weldon Johnson’s hymn: God of our weary years, God of our silent tears, thou who hast brought us thus far on the way; thou who hast by thy might, led us into the light; keep us forever in the path, we pray. Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met thee; lest our hearts, drunk with the wine of the world, we forget thee; shadowed beneath thy hand may we forever stand, true to our God, true to our native land. Thanks so much for your posting!

          • Betty’s Babygirl

            Thank you for your eloquent, hopeful and encouraging post. The irony is 3rd world countries have had several woman leaders but not the good ol’ USA.
            Peace and Blessings

            • Dusty

              And blessings and love right back atcha, Betty’s Babygirl!

      • enhancedvibes

        Firstly, there wasn’t anything all that inflammatory in the podesta emails. And it should be no surprise to anyone that the DNC wanted a democrat to actually win the nominee. Sanders was not a democrat. Secondly, Clinton won the nominee for the simple reason more people voted for her. Sanders was not an unknown, he just didnt win the primary votes. Thirdly, there is a charitable foundation and the family foundation. While i have not read the specific emails referring to chelsea’s wedding it is more likely the family foundation paid for it which is entirely legal. The charitable foundation has been vetted by charity watchdogs and is considered one of the best international charities in existence right now. The financial reportings of the foundation alone wouldve revealed such an expense for a wedding and it didnt. That’s because the family foundation likely funded it. The Clintons do not receive any monies from the charitable foundation.

        The conclusion to this election? Propaganda and engrained societal sexism will elect a do nothing know nothing vitriolic empty suit over an eminently qualified woman who was vilified unjustly for things she didn’t do and things she did do that were misrepresented by the opposing side.

        Tl;dr: lies work get disgruntled folk to vote.

        • ryan

          have you actually read the emails or are you regurgitating what CNN told you. let me give an actual example. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8396.

          In this email Bill Clinton receives check for 1 million from the Ambassador of Qatar for a five minute meeting for his birthday while Hillary was secstate . 6 months later
          http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

          • Thank you.. Not to mention the Saudi’s contributions.

          • enhancedvibes

            I dont watch or listen to CNN. I read several of the emails just not that specific one re the wedding. Most of the emails really are much ado about nothing and Americans reaction to many of them show WAY too many Americans dont understand how govt works.

            To wit, this Qatar arms deal thing you reference and the uranium deal: the clintons have known the people and heads of state donating to their charitable foundation for decades, and while the timing of the meetings and donations is questionable, they only ever resulted in that, meetings. There is no evidence anyone in the State Dept went above and beyond for any of these donors whom she merely arranged meetings for. Also, given they have known these people for decades we really dont have to engage in any mental gymnastics to opine they likely would’ve gotten those meetings anyway.

            As for how govt works, when the US engages in things like arm sales, uranium deals, etc, SEVERAL agencies and depts are involved, and I’m sorry, but no, Clinton never had the power to overly influence any of these deals. They were already either in the works and/or her dept was just one of many signing off on them. There really is no there there.

            I dont live in an echo chamber. I live in the reality of understanding how govt works and knowing that the dumbing down of America and the 20+yr attack of a woman who has literally dedicated her entire adult life to public service can lose to a know nothing, do nothing empty suit charlatan snake oil salesman because of lies and sexism (so deeply engrained in society even subgroups of women voted heavily for trump). Also, the vote can be seen as a backlash against Obama, the deep hatred of whom is clearly rooted in racism. With that said, the Democratic Party needs a shake up in their leadership to most accurately reflect its changing demographics, ie younger generation and people of color.

            We shall see what the coming years will bring, but I perceive trump being a one term POTUS. The first rule of politics is get elected, and I cannot wait till his voters realize this as very much of what he promised will never come to pass and the groups he blamed their grievnces on actually arent the group to blame. The disgruntled Trump voter is actually angry about the changing demographics and worried about becoming a political minority since they (ahem white folk) remember how they themselves treated political minorities. But their fears were manipulated as this feeling is completely unfounded since whites hold the majority of power in business and govt in this country.

            This issue is largely complex but never doubt our country’s underlying sexism and racism as being at the root of these issues. There is intersectionality all over.

            • Eri Cad

              I’m glad someone broke the straight bs over those damn emails because I literally sat through this entire election cycle wondering why folks were hotter than fish grease over some emails that said nothing. The hacked emails from those film studio heads were more incriminating then these Clinton emails.

        • What emails did YOU read? You DO KNOW that they are available to the public? Grab a capuccino and read them… and you will see that what you just typed was some foolishness.

          http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/What-Excuse-me-Say-what-GIF.gif

          • enhancedvibes

            I’ve read several of them and so very many of them are largely unremarkable.

      • Spot on.

      • Johnny Boy

        Or being investigated by the FBI twice in one election cycle. How many Haitians you think voted for her after finding out she was using the Haiti earthquake to make money for her foundation.

      • Gail

        She lost as soon as she got the Democratic party nomination. White male voters in 2012 were steaming mad at the Obama second term and the Democratic party forgot that and got complacent.

      • Chloe

        1. Hillary won the popular vote. 2. Wikileaks is not politically neutral or objective. If they were, they would have hacked the email servers of every candidate running, including Trump’s and the RNC but instead, they only hacked Hillary and the DNC’s. They had an agenda. 3. You’re simply repeating every rightwing debunked lie posted on Breitbart.com.

        • ryan

          1) Hillary won the popular vote with less totals than Obama

          2. You’re right, wikileaks is not neutral, they are and have always been anti establishment (and the only person in the race more establishment than HRC was Jeb), and I didn’t hear the democrats complain when the were releasing the Iraq cables or or the bush era state department cables. 3) and even if I did get them from breibart (which I didn’t, can’t stand their inflammatory style of writing) does it make it less true. and honestly I don’t care where the truth comes from, as long as its based on facts. My whole point was that if people had got out of their internet filter bubble, and actually LISTEN to what dissenting voices are saying, then the results would not have been as surprising, and maybe it could have been stopped (like in primaries)

    • sister_h

      Personally, I don’t think there’s any shame in people of color holding the fort. We didn’t do it blindly. People of color have more discipline and understand the value of collective political action. And we correctly noticed that Clinton would be better than Trump and company. By contrast, the individualistic way that white people do things led to their secret (unbeknownst to themselves, perhaps) white supremacist tolerant tendencies to come to the fore.

      • There’s no shame on my part, there was no way I would ever vote for Toupee Shakur, I think the icky feeling comes from the fact all the “colorblind”, “tolerant”, allies went in the booth and revealed their true selves and now are acting just as stunned as we are. And we’ll never know who these decepticons are

      • I don’t understand the concept of “lesser of 2 evils” though… Collectively black folks were still going to fukk themselves by voting for her. We, simply, have to do better. Politics is NOT just Dems and Reps. We are not thinkiong out of the box nor are we holding our public servants accountable for what happens to us.

        • Johnny Boy

          4 years from now when the next election cycle comes around we will still be arguing about the lesser of the 2 evils. You are right in that we are not thinking outside the box. There’s more to our civic duties as Americans than just voting. How about some of us on here run for public offices in our local towns and cities. It doesn’t sound pleasing but some of us will have to make that sacrifice.

          • It is going to be the same song and I’m gonna vote just like I did the past 2 elections as well as show my face at city council and school board meetings… and call my reps when I need them to do something… … *shrugs*…..

            • Chinasa

              (Honest question)
              What are we supposed to do?
              Now that we are at Ground -zero, how do we move forward from here without repeating the same mistakes?

              • Johnny Boy

                I think first we got to understand everything in this world is checks and balances. You can’t solve one problem without adding to another problem. Its give and take just like our relationships. Next we got to ask ourselves and agree upon what we want for Black Americans and eventually Americans as a whole. We have to start playing the long term game. Personally, I don’t agree with the protesting. I do believe in “doing for self” just like the Asian Americans. They be low key with their success. Dudes come to America, 15 people under one roof all working getting the house paid off then put a down payment on the next house. If they have to do groceries they hit up Chinatown. If they need home renovations they hit up the Vietnamese. So some of us have our own businesses on here. Lets put money back in our pocket. We have to invest in one another. There are various ways to make paper. Another issue that will need to be brought forth is what kind of government do we want. Do we want a big federal government or a small one that lets each state do their own thing. What are the pros and cons and henceforth.

              • Start by getting to know your local politicians.. go to town halls.. call their offices when you here of new policies attempting to be implemented. Don’t be afraid to tell them that they don’t have your vote and that you will rally against them if they don’t handle your concerns.
                Thoroughly research political candidates.. Watch C-Span so you can hear what happens in congressional meetings.. Your reps are there and you can note what they do and don’t do… Hold them accountable.

                For gubernatorial and presidential candidates.. research EVERY party’s candidate to see whose platform you agree with… and work on their campaigns… It takes time and dedication but we have to do it.

            • Johnny Boy

              Keep on keeping on.

          • ryan

            and its our civic duty to to vote more that ever four years because A) in order to build a movement it has to start locally and go upward and B) that guy who sits on your county commision has more of an affect on your day to day life than any president

            • Johnny Boy

              ryan I agree with you. Which is why I say that we need to start planning more long term. Its a relay race. You’re passing the baton forward, placing faith in the immediate hands of the person in your local community/network. There is just far too many people standing between me and the president and I don’t know any of them on a personal level that can partition on my behalf. Its like passing out CVs in person or online without having a person on the inside who can bypass HR and take your CV directly to the general manager. If I don’t have that person then my resume can be sitting on standby for months even years before they even look at it. And meanwhile HR and everyone else bringing their people in.

      • Yahmo Bethere

        Black folks need to consider declining relevance. Demographic change is not, nor will it ever be, kind to us.

        Not voting makes you a non-fucking factor. I would prefer that our vote be up for grabs; however, I would caution us not to fuck around with the right wing.

        Compare Jews in 1880s Austria and Germany to their children/grandchildren.

        Where will we be 50 years from now?

    • black women: fine, let me swallow my pride and go vote for this white woman to preserve SOME of my rights.

      white women: eh, we good.

    • Melissa

      And then compounded the insult by sitting on social media sanctimoniously whining, “You guyyyyys we have to respect each other (LOL) and stop complaining.” Well, of course you’re not complaining, what’s going to change for you? I thought that the orange menace was so abhorrent, so vile that we could get it together and see how badly we f&*#^@d up, but alas we couldn’t even do that. No, we’ll just sit here and blame everyone else and then, if (when) it all goes badly, we can go to Defcon 1 It’s Not Our Fault Or Our Problem. Nice going, as usual.

  • I’m still befuddled by the results

  • MARY D

    Well said.

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