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On Kehlani, Nick Young, And Gender-Based Double Standards For Cheaters

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In recent days, artists and ball players have provided a gotdamn clinic on how NOT go about several facets of everyday living. They’ve also exposed one of the most significant double standards we have in the Venus vs Mars debate. For those not in the know, a singer you don’t know named Kehlani used to date Cleveland Cavaliers PG Kyrie Irving and either did or didn’t cheat on him with her ex, a singer you may or may not know named PARTYNEXTDOOR, then allegedly attempted suicide because of the social media backlash she experienced.

Because God has a sense of humor and likes to point out how fuckin’ human humans are, a few days later, Los Angeles Laker PG D’Angelo Russell got the cold shoulder from his teammates (and pretty much every man alive) for videotaping and THEN releasing a video of his teammate, Nick Young aka Swaggy P, admitting to cheating on his fiancée, “rapper”/non-rapper Iggy Azalea, an alleged prank gone too far.

This is when Brick starts killing people.

When the IG post from PND showed up, Kehlani caught wreck. She pretty much got blasted all over the social medias for cheating on Kyrie, whether or not that’s what really happened. None of us know. This is part of the problem with putting your relationship on social media anyway, folks have some view into your life, and because you place it out there, they feel it is their right to comment on it (it is). So as soon as PND put that post up, stating that his R&B chick was back in his bed, folks who keep up with this shit insinuated that she was outchea cheating.

Maybe she was. I have no clue. She said they broke up weeks ago. I have no reason not to believe her. But truth ain’t as interesting as the salacious possibility of somebody that you don’t know cheating on another person that you don’t know, publicly. Kehlani was disputed, debated, hated, and viewed in America as a motherfucking trollop. She was the buss it wide open spokeswoman. Men let her have it. Women let her have it. You can’t be out here cheating. Because that’s wrong.

The dumb part about this is that we all know the stats on cheaters. There are motherfuckers cheating RIGHT now on their significant others. Literally, while reading this, its going down in the some of your DMs with your ex or some chick or dude you’re trying to catch the buns from while your unsuspecting (or possibly suspecting) significant other is living their life like its golden.

Or maybe doing the same shit that you are. I don’t condone cheating, but its interesting to me how quick folks are to call out cheaters when almost all of us either are or know people who have or are currently cheating on their girlfriends, sidepieces, and wives. Somehow, Kehlani got dragged for it. And let’s be real, it’s because she’s a woman. Plain and simple. The rules are different for women: act like men are expected to act and you’re a tramp. How do we know this is real life?

Because despite the fact that D’Angelo Russell outted Nick Young as a cheater, (probably accidentally because he wasn’t thinking), the ENTIRE conversation is about how fucked up D’Angelo is. The fact that Nick Young is a cheater is an afterthought. Hell, even I made it a less-than story. Sure, he shouldn’t cheat. But D’Angelo is a snitch for putting his business out there like that. Nobody should fuck with D’Angelo on a personal level because of this. Fuck that nigga D, yo. People that don’t know D’Angelo Russell don’t fuck with D’Angelo Russell.

Hell, I’m one of them. I don’t want to have any convos with him because I don’t trust him to keep it to himself and I’m not doing a damn thing wrong. Which is another issue, and a very valid one. But the fact that Nick Young ADMITTING to cheating on his girl is not nearly as big of a deal on the social medias as what Kehlani MAY OR MAY NOT have done is some shit. She got dragged; Nick Young is catching sympathy. The entire D’Angelo convo is about how big a fucking man code violation he committed. You do NOT under any circumstances (unless this nigga is fucking over your sister, mother, or other woman you share blood with, and even then I’m not sure a 2nd cousin really counts) throw your man under the bus. That’s what the story is with the Swaggy P vs D’Angelo story.

Not the REAL story: Nick Young is a cheating bastard who NOW has to deal with his real life fiancée. D’Angelo fucked with Nick Young’s household so he’s the pariah. And rightfully so. But Kehlani is out here living her life and somehow, someway, she’s a harlot.

She got dragged so badly, that she apparently attempted suicide. I wasn’t all up and through her mentions but I can’t imagine how bad it must have gotten for a woman to decide that maybe life wasn’t worth it. I tend not to care too much about what people think, but thousands of people aren’t calling me a dirty dick motherfucker either. I don’t know how I’d react if I was a singer that nobody was super familiar with, but all of a sudden I’m famous for potentially cheating on Kyrie Irving who is somehow being made out to be a this good guy who got screwed over. I don’t know shit about Kyrie Irving; if she did leave his ass, maybe it was for reasons, but there’s no benefit of the doubt here.

Being a woman probably comes with a lot of great perks. I really wouldn’t know, I’m not a woman. But when I see the bullshit women have to go through, I actively thank the Lord for making me a man. I feel bad for Kehlani and I actually think she ain’t lying. Meanwhile, I think Swaggy P is an ain’t shit nigga and is always going to be an ain’t shit nigga, but nobody cares, because ain’t shit niggas aren’t supposed to get exposed by their boys. That’s what “Don’t Date Him Girl” is for. And don’t get me wrong: D’Angelo Russell is all kinds of a bitch ass nigga for recording his man giving the world’s dumbest deposition. But at the same time, Swaggy P is ALSO the world’s dumbest man for giving the world’s dumbest deposition.

Do you know what the biggest lesson I take from all of this is: keep your relationships the fuck off of social media or at least don’t OD on them. Really. Oh, and also, if a motherfucker is asking you too many questions, getting all up in your Kool-Aid, you need to ask why the fuck they’re asking so many questions getting all up in your Kool-Aid and if you find out they’re recording you, you break their shit. You can’t even watch somebody delete shit nowadays, the Cloud is real.

But keep something for yourself. Social media is dope for many reasons. But if you put your life out there, everybody feels free to comment on it. More people are paying attention than you realize, especially when you’re famous. Those millions of folks who you want to like your pics when you get that exclusive pair of Jordan’s, well those motherfuckers are also looking at the pics of who you’re with in St. Kitts and remembering and cross-referencing and indexing.

But mostly, we have got to stop with this double standard. If Kehlani is possibly wrong, then Nick Young is first in line for the firing squad. Ultimately that’s Iggy’s decision to make, but we can’t make him an afterthought if we’re going to go for the jugular on a woman out her living her life too.

Damn Daniel, dis tew much.

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  • Breezy

    *standing ovation*

  • I have a question that has been bothering me:

    Who is Brick and why is his name always mentioned with killing?

    • panamajackson

      LOL. Brick Tamland is a character from Anchorman. There was a big fight scene amongst rival news stations, and in the debriefing of said fight, Ron Burgundy (Will Ferrell) says, ” and I think Brick killed a guy.” It’s just one of those funny statements that always works when things get out of hand.

      • miss t-lee

        Brick was the unsung hero with that pitchfork.

        • TheCollinB

          I love lamp

          • miss t-lee

            LOL!!!

          • Madame Zenobia

            Do you really love the lamp? Or are you just saying it because you saw it?>

            • panamajackson

              You didn’t ask me, but I definitely love lamp.

            • TheCollinB

              I love lamp.

      • Oh, okay. Thanks for the context.

    • -h.h.h.-
    • Kas
  • Courtney Wheeler

    https://media.giphy.com/media/3EAKx2kb2Nz81D7qBa/giphy.gif
    Wrong is wrong..end of story..The social media double standard is real.

  • Vanity in Peril

    Were it not for the upper body strength we shoulda, woulda killed ur a33es a looooooong time ago.

    • Brass Tacks

      Oh Stop.

      You love us, Vanity. Sidestepping your thoughts on premeditated murda not withstanding.

      All that being said.

      Who hurt you?

      • Vanity in Peril

        Lol I love y’all individually but hate y’all collectively. And I say this whilst lovingly staring at my boyfriend who I would kill first iffin this revolution ever kicks off proper.

        • Brass Tacks

          Collectively? But this push and pull is what makes it fun.

          Besides, I think women would get bored rather quickly if we did EVERYTHING the exact way y’all wanted.

          Serious Question: If you were to stab him, would it be considered in the name of love?

          Cause some people *side eyes Breezy* Don’t think that this type of love exists.

          • Vanity in Peril

            I’m not sure what the “push and pull” is. I’m not asking for a world where women rule (the opposite of our current world) im asking for men to see a world where we are equal.

            As a black woman I feel fortunate to have insight on this bc I see it from men in regards to sexism and white women in regards to racism. Equality does not mean reversal. It’s always been odd to me that a white woman can see this in feminism but not in an end to white supremacy and that a black man can see this in an end to white supremacy but not feminism. I’m painting w broad strokes of course and this isn’t a post about racism so I’ll stick to patriarchy. Patriarchy says women are property, patriarchy says a woman is valuable in only one way and if not in that way that she has no value, patriarchy posits that we were made for male consumption, patriarchy demands we choose between being the Mary or the whore. Patriarchy explicitly and implicitly denies 51% of this population their humanity.

            TL:DR aint shlt fun about patriarchy.

          • Breezy

            Don’t be talking ish behind my back. You wanna fight?! Let’s fight. Tuh!

  • “Being a woman probably comes with a lot of great perks.”

    This gave me pause as I was genuinely trying to think about some of those perks. I think my favorite is being able to show PDA with other girls. Because reasons. But yesterday I got knocked over as this huge, burly guy pushed past me to get a seat on the train and I thought, “Okay, I’m officially carrying these boobs around for nothing.”

    • panamajackson

      I dare say thats not true at all.

    • Brass Tacks

      “I think my favorite is being able to show PDA with other girls.”

      What I wouldn’t give to have that ability for a day.

    • heyheyno

      Oh man I’m sorry that happened to you. Chivalry might be dead.

  • Me

    So when are we gonna talk about how these #dumbass man code rules set ridiculous expectations of men for real? I mean it’s now worse for D’Angelo to think a dude is #fuckedup, and decidedly put him on blast about it than it is to actually be #fuckedup. That don’t sound stupid to anybody else? D’Angelo gotta stifle himself because of his peen? He’s a BAN because he dared to put somebody’s b/s on front street? It ain’t like he released medical records or credit scores. Dude is getting flack for outting somebody who should be outted. Come on!

    • panamajackson

      Naw, I think he’s catching flack b/c he didn’t do it to help Iggy, he did it b/c he’s a douche. That’s his problem. The unintended consequence of being a douche is that he put Swaggy P on blast.

      • Me

        I don’t know these people outside of this article, so what makes D’Angelo a douche and not just a dude that thinks cheating is bona fide low life activity?

        • -h.h.h.-

          as per his head coach, Byron Scott:

          Even Scott, whose handling of Russell this year has been scrutinized, came into the season speaking of Russell in the same breath as Lakers legend Magic Johnson when describing his court vision.

          Russell started the Lakers’ first 20 games before being moved to the bench along with second-year forward Julius Randle. And Scott, on countless occasions this season, has publicly questioned Russell’s maturity.

          “He’s such a kid,” Scott said in February. “I told him the other day, ‘You’re 19, but sometimes I think you’re 14.'”

          • Me

            I’m not getting it. Does immaturity = douche?

            • panamajackson

              Actionable immaturity when you’re 20 years old, I think so.

              • Me

                Really? I was doing some grade A immature things at 20. Dude ain’t but a couple years post HS. Are we really expecting the utmost discretion from somebody who JUST stopped being a teenager a few months ago?

                • panamajackson

                  I’m not expecting anything from him. But are you saying that exhibiting extreme immaturity that affects other people is just what 20 year olds do, therefore its not douchebag behavior? I don’t think the two are necessarily mutually exclusive.

                  • Me

                    I’m saying 20 year olds in general are immature, so the notion that D’Angelo did something egregious by being immature at 20 sounds off. It would be like being mad at a 6 year old tattle tale. That’s not outside of the realm of his age range, so why flip out about an immature prank?

                    • panamajackson

                      A 6 year old is learning about life. This is a 20 year old man who has a job and shoud know better at some point. C’mon. You’re not saying what he did is age appropriate. When I was 20 I wouldn’t have done anything like that…because I would know better.

                    • Me

                      What he did is totally age appropriate. Young guy plays a prank or purposely retaliates without fully calculate the ramifications of his actions. That’s what they do. Sometimes it blows over. Other times you ufck up something major. It’s not unheard of at that age by far.

                    • panamajackson

                      While I get what you’re saying in spirit, I definitely disagree in this case. So we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

                    • Kas

                      On this particular issue, we know better at 13, let alone 20.

                    • Me

                      Knowing better does not necessarily lead to doing better, hence why situations like these occur. Many 20 year olds do things despite knowing better. This is no different.

                    • Kas

                      Referring only to the outrage by the men on this post. We covered how worthless a lot of us are (all ages) on yesterday’s article, so no, we shouldn’t be clutching our pearls quite so tightly over the infraction (yes, I realize I used a phrase normally associated with women for a bunch of men).

                    • Me

                      That’s what I was getting at. It’s like dudes really believe their manhood can be taken away if they dare cross this one particular line even if there might be just cause for it (not saying that D’Angelo did or did not have just cause either way).

                    • Kas

                      Men don’t consider cheating bad enough to cross their friendship over. Not saying you have to agree, but trying to explain why we act the way we do.

                    • Me

                      I know this. It’s just that on the one hand it’s not serious enough to risk your friendship over, but on the other hand it is serious enough that you want people holding it in the deepest confidence. Makes no sense.

                    • Kas

                      If you are expecting rational answers, you might want to stop dealing with men. We do stuff that we know in our heart we shouldn’t do, because we are selfish, but lots of fun. What can I say? *shrug*

                    • Me

                      I always like it when dudes admit that they’re not this all-logical super-rational gender like they keep trying to convince us they are. Man code is steeped with irrational rules as far as I can tell. But anyway, I’m not expecting dudes to abandon it en masse. Just wondering why I don’t see nary a fella calling out the fallacies of the system.

                    • Kas

                      The system is in our favor, why would we call it out? :)

                    • Me

                      It’s only in your favor if you do dirt on the regular. I’m trying to believe dudes aren’t overwhelmingly dirt mongers, in which case you’re just setting yourselves up to hold the bag for your dirty friends.

                    • Epsilonicus

                      “What he did is totally age appropriate.”

                      I asked a room full of 16 year olds today and they said naw

                    • Me

                      Follow up with them in about 5 years and ask them how many of them have either done or had someone do them something equally egregious as D’Angelo. Considering social media is overrun by the 18-24 demographic, they’re the most likely to pull these kinds of shenanigans. And whether it’s a stupid move to make or not, it’s well within the realm of things 20 year olds do, which makes it age appropriate.

                    • Epsilonicus

                      Is this age appropriate behavior at any age? Nope. People know the rules of the game. Now do they follow them all the time? Probably not. But that does not mean it is any less age appropriate.

                    • Me

                      Mmm… There’s a difference between appropriate (meaning suitable or proper) and age appropriate (meaning falling within the norms of a particular age group). It may not be appropriate or legal behavior to secretly video tape someone, but it is age appropriate for a 20 year old to do something immature or to act without thinking through the consequences.

            • brothaskeeper

              At a certain age, yes.

              • Me

                And 19/20 is that age? Seems far fetched.

                • -h.h.h.-

                  so you think it’s unreasonable for a 19/20 year old, who is a professional basketball player, and who probably underwent a ‘summer camp’ of sorts prepared by the league on how to conduct himself (whether or not he paid attention is another story)…you think it would be unreasonable to think that to ask questions to extract information from his teammate, and have it leak out might be a “bad idea”?

                  roll it…light it…puff it…and pass it to the right.

                  • Me

                    It’s definitely a bad idea. But 20 year olds are chock full of them, so by that measure most, or at least on average, 20 year olds would be douches by default if immaturity = douche at 19/20. So why the outrage at a bad idea? And why is that outrage worse than the actual bad behavior?

                    • AquaTeamV3

                      Why is being 20 years old an excuse to do something stupid? Dude’s a grown man, he honestly should have known better.

                    • Me

                      It’s not an excuse to do something stupid, it’s just not shocking or abnormal for a 20 year old to do something stupid. So to go from immature to douche seems an overreaction.

                    • inYOface

                      Without much exposure (my reality) 19 and 14 is the same age. I once outted a Manager to another (she got fired) because I thought you were supposed to tell when adults weren’t doing the right thing – I was 19 – I didn’t know til years as later…

                    • Kas

                      So you were literally the Fed up in that place. LOL

                    • inYOface

                      undercover (smh) – the boss kept me close – I thought I was special – She thought I was a small kid from the country that was new to adulthood and the rules (hangs head shamelessly)

                    • Kas

                      Live and learn. The boss did like you.

                    • -h.h.h.-

                      ok.

                  • Has the kid said anything? Does he have any defense or reason for taping the conversation.

                  • Epsilonicus

                    Especially a person who grew up in the social media age. I asked a bunch of teens about this today and they all said dude was completely wrong and it was a b*tch move

                • John Shannon

                  Folks are In the Military, Killing folks for a living at 19/20. You can Die in Prison as an Adult at 19/20, but you saying you aren’t supposed to know better?? Really???

                  • Me

                    Knowing better vs doing better at that age. Nope, I don’t harp on it. I’m hard pressed to think of anyone who didn’t do something monumentally stupid at that age WHILE knowing better. And if we’re using killing folks as a measure, that would make child soldiers in other parts of the world the most developmentally advanced people on the planet.

                    • John Shannon

                      They are kidnapped and tortured, whereas Everyone Else CHOOSES to do Stupid. No Sympathy

                    • Me

                      The point is that immature people have been killing people despite their developmental stage. So bringing that up as an argument for someone’s ability to make decisions based on what they know falls flat because anybody at almost any age can be trained to kill.

                    • John Shannon

                      Volunteering to serve is nowhere in the same Galaxy as a Forced Child Soldier- and I’m an Actual Solder by Choice…..

                      I brought it up because the youngest you can enlist is actually 17-18; nobody is out here really giving passes to Teens nowadays , but you compared Apples to Watermelons with the child soldier remark

                    • Me

                      You’re the one who brought up killing in a military as proof that someone is mature. The point is that it’s not. Killing is not a sign of maturity, it’s a sign of training, and anyone can be trained to kill regardless of maturity level or volunteerism.

                    • John Shannon

                      If you don’t need to be mature to Kill then that makes you a George Zimmerman and a Guy/ Lady not worthy of being in the Army…

                    • Me

                      And lots of those people do in fact exist in the Army. In fact, lots of people are sent to the Army by their parents BECAUSE they’re immature. Men have to sign up for the draft regardless of maturity. Wearing a uniform, following orders, and firing a gun is not an indication of maturity.

                    • John Shannon

                      That may have been the case Decades Ago, but as of This Year, the military doesn’t have time for Immature People. A Criminal Record, even multiple traffic citations will not have you get enlisted.

                      There is no Draft and hasn’t been since the Vietnam War. I don’t know who told you this stuff, but if you don’t come correct you can stay working minimum wage or go to college and get it out your system

                    • Me

                      There may not have been a draft in a long time, but men are still required to register for the draft, and can be held criminally liable for not doing so. Criminal records and citations are evidence of crimes, not immaturity. There is nothing about being allowed to join the military that proves 20 year olds who do immature things are outside of the norm.

          • klucille

            I read that article already, but that’s not proof. That’s just his opinion.

            • klucille

              I need events.

              • -h.h.h.-

                I need events.

                wow.
                http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-l4nq-K82Kqo/Tz5OLnwW8hI/AAAAAAAAAyg/vVZ3SaAyIJc/s200/wee-bey-gif.gif

                D’Angelo Russell is 20 years old. Against his better judgment, he befriended Lakers teammate Nick Young.

                Nick Young is one of the NBA’s most notorious goofballs. He gave himself the nickname Swaggy P, he is one of the biggest ballhogs in the NBA and he is engaged to Iggy Azalea. (“Was engaged,” perhaps.) He starred in one of the most hilarious memes of 2014 as he celebrated a shot he missed. He’s also the current star of a popular and entirely relevant meme.

                Apparently Young, Russell and other Lakers have participated in a prank war all season. This is not uncommon for immature trash teams with vacant leadership. (The Sacramento Kings are prank war champs to the point where the franchise has actually embraced the nonsense.)

                Russell, as noted, is young. So maybe he didn’t realize that he was taking the prank war too far by coaxing Young into admitting infidelity with a 19-year-old girl he met at a club while Russell surreptitiously recorded. Live and learn!

                http://www.sbnation.com/2016/3/30/11330390/dangelo-russell-nick-young-tape-iggy-azalea-cheating

                • klucille

                  lol. I loved the Clippers “got ’em” prank. (That’s my team.) So pranks, general, are not enough for me to think dude has a character deficit. Silly, maybe. Then again, I’ve hated Nick Young since he was on the Clippers, so maybe I’m too close.

                  • -h.h.h.-

                    i mean i get it…there’s a difference in prank levels between what Russel did…

                    and this:

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qve776r0fE

                    • klucille

                      I’ll concede that. I personally don’t like pranks. I mean, why are you trying to mess with me on purpose?! But I’m giving the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t intend for the video to get out to anybody.

                    • klucille

                      Bledsoe’s response is the only appropriate response to encountering a dinosaur. You cannot out punch a T-rex.

              • panamajackson

                You need more proof than one of the men’s opinions who is with him every day and is one of the people responsible for ensuring he gets paid? You need to read articles that show he’s a douche?

                • -h.h.h.-

                  You need more proof than one of the men’s opinions who is with him every day and is one of the people responsible for ensuring he gets paid?

                  http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s–WQ0xBxFA–/inzjyecpyzpgbnmejhos.gif

                • klucille

                  Yeah. Coaches say crazy things all the time. Vinny said Deandre didn’t have any potential. and Bill Russell thought calling his whole team a bunch of losers and telling Kenny Smith to stay away from them was morale boosting.

        • klucille

          Yeah, I’m not quite sure how he’s a douche yet. “He ain’t even stretch doe” is the best quote of all time.

          • panamajackson

            It’s because, as HHH pointed below, he’s very extremely immature. So I’m guessing in his immaturity he thought it would be funny do do this, thereby making him a douche.

    • -h.h.h.-

      in my opinion, it’s one thing to check a man on infidelity, man-to-man.

      it’s another thing to record evidence to send to the fiance (technically they aren’t married.) directly and personally.

      it’s another thing to record evidence to send to a fiance (that isn’t married)..and actually put it on public media.

      if this was about checking your boy on indiscretions…that aint the way to go about it.

      • Me

        People post smoking gun type of things all over social media all the time. What makes this any different? Why can’t dude legitimately think this is noteworthy isht and not be harrassed about feeling that way or expected to not feel that way just b/c he’s a dude?

        • -h.h.h.-

          what would make this….”noteworthy isht”?

          cheating?

        • KNeale

          I mean…I’m judging the he77 out of this man I don’t know but I really can’t be convinced that he was just so appalled at the thought of cheating that he exposed his teammate for the greater good. I highly doubt that.

          • Me

            I’m not necessarily concerned with the intent behind exposing his teammate. It’s more the “snitching makes you a *itch b/c … man code” that I have a problem with. Whether he did it out of respect for IA, or respect for impending marriage, or for S&G doesn’t really matter to me. The idea that peen = mute whenever your boy does dirt or else you get persecuted bothers me thought.

        • John Shannon

          Apparently you didn’t get the whole Donald Sterling fiasco, or Hulk Hogan’s fall from WWE Grace with his video recording of calling Black folks N-words

          • Me

            How does this relate?

            • John Shannon

              Folks record plenty without consent, thinking they are doing Good but causing more chaos. This why folks don’t do sharing passwords on Their Phones, but now we gotta Check Others’ Cells so that they don’t Record

              • Me

                Right, but it seems like your previous comment was meant to disagree with me. So I’m not following. This happens all the time, but only creates outrage for the person who leaked it when it’s “breaking man code”, which is ridiculous.

                • John Shannon

                  It’s Real- Actual Men don’t gossip, we get at a guy directly and not on some secret spy steez. Russell violated that code, just because Women like to Run Tell That, doesn’t mean Men have to.

                  Male Logic vs Lady Intuition: we are Strategic but Women go with their Gut and don’t always Think before Acting

                  • Me

                    “Actual Men don’t gossip” Let me introduce you to my coworkers who I’ve had to quash the gossip on despite being the only female on my team. I’ve gotten everything from conspiracy theories, to making fun of complete strangers in the office, to straight up plotting to take each other down. If it’s one thing men do, it’s gossip. So, take your survey again homie.

                    • John Shannon

                      Talking Trash==Gossip.

                    • Me

                      Really? That’s what you’re going with? You got qualifiers on gossip now?

                      gossip: idle talk or rumor, especially about the personal or private affairs of others

                      i would think that covers trash talk, but hey…

                    • John Shannon

                      You just told the definition of Gossip, hence Russell did, and that falls into the Man Code to the T.

                      Now, if you still choose to not accept that it’s on you, the Rest of the Male Gender likes that rule just fine

                    • Me

                      What? I never disputed whether or not Russell was gossiping. You made the assertion that men don’t, which is false. Men do gossip, and Russell is one of MANY MANY MANY examples of that.

                    • John Shannon

                      He’s not a “man” at age 20 according to your assertion……. You can’t dispute a Man Code AND say Men Gossip. One or the Other but not Both

                    • Me

                      I never disputed man code; I said it’s ridiculous for it to even exist. Men do gossip. That’s why these situations come up where men throw a fit over other men gossiping instead of focusing on the actual problem. I never said he’s not a man, either. I stated that he’s immature, which is not unusual for anyone his age.

                    • Godzilla Jr.

                      He didn’t say men don’t gossip. He said real men don’t gossip. Very different.

                    • Me

                      Most men gossip. All the dudes commenting on this very article alone are gossiping. So miss me with that #RealMenDon’t

                    • Godzilla Jr.

                      That’s a very broad definition. I get the sense that gossiping is just about anything you say it is. Ok then.

                    • Me

                      No, I posted the definition above. Idle talk or rumors about someone else’s private affairs. That’s what we’re all doing here, including the men. None of us are personally involved in D’Angelo and Nick’s relationship, yet we all have plenty to say about it. Gossip is gender neutral.

                    • Godzilla Jr.

                      Of course. However, to speak on the generalities of a situation is not to gossip. Most of us aren’t indicting or supporting any of the actors in this drama but speaking on the dynamics of the situation.

                      Using your logic, one can only speak about a situation in which they’re a direct participant. This would undermine the breadth of human knowledge and understanding so this broad of a condemnation doesn’t hold up.

                    • Me

                      Opining on someone else’s business is gossip. That’s what everyone is doing. Tossing out opinions that no one asked for and that is not their business. You keep looking for loopholes that absolve men from doing what most people do just so you can throw one guy under the bus for doing the same thing. GOH.

                    • Godzilla Jr.

                      If you know or are acquainted with these people, perhaps it could be considered as gossip. Having an opinion on PUBLIC information regarding PUBLIC figures certainly is not.

                      Your definition is overly broad to provide cover for your weak conclusion.

                      Thanks Webster! Lol, take care…

                    • Me

                      Yeah ok homie. Keep carving out exceptions for when it’s acceptible for you to gossip and still consider yourself a “real man” if that helps you sleep better.

                    • Godzilla Jr.

                      Ok dude. Keep making things up.

                      I haven’t said a word about any of these people. The only thing I’ve commented on is your faulty logic.

                      I guess that’s gossiping too, lol.

                    • Me

                      Maybe not on this particular thread, but I’m sure if I looked through your profile, I’d find a few instances of you gossiping. Men gossip. The end.

                    • Godzilla Jr.

                      You’re like the people who confuse having an opinion with hating. Simple.

                    • Me

                      I’ll edit mine, since you edited yours

                    • Godzilla Jr.

                      Ok. I didn’t want my intent to be misconstrued so I edited for clarification. Feel free to do the same. We’re not in court, lol.

                    • Me

                      Fair enough.

                  • (Raises hand) I…I think Russell is an Actual Man. Yeah.

                    Male Logic: that impetuosity is limited to women.

                    • Kas

                      All men are logical and rational at all times except when women push our buttons. It’s in the Ain’t Ish Handbook.

        • Godzilla Jr.

          If Russell was a woman, it would still be a bitchass move, or perhaps messy. Very messy.

          • Me

            Messy, yes. But not some woman code violation.

            • Godzilla Jr.

              I think messy is the female equivalent.

              • Me

                It isn’t. No woman would ever question another woman’s womanhood over tattling. Messy just means messy, which is all this fiasco is and should be. But dudes are out here breaking out in man code hives b/c D’Angelo told on another dude.

                • Godzilla Jr.

                  I disagree. When a woman is called “messy” her womanhood is called into question because the implication is that “messiness” is childish, just as the “real men” characterizations.

                  • Me

                    That’s not the case AT ALL. Messy is not a term restricted to just women, and no woman is walking around feeling some kind of way about her womanhood over being called messy. Women don’t do this whole “you’re not a real woman if…” police work that dudes do.

                    • Godzilla Jr.

                      Again, your opinion about something subjective is apparently the gold standard.

                    • Me

                      Unlike yours, I’m guessing?

      • Julian Green

        I don’t by this prank line that’s being peddled. Nick Young and D’Angelo Russell must have had beef. There’s no way he didn’t know what he was doing.

      • “Friends” like those…

    • AquaTeamV3

      The rule itself isn’t dumb at all. If you have an issue with someone, take it up with them one-on-one or in a small group. Not everything needs to be put out in the open, ESPECIALLY not on social media. In general, it’s a very passive aggressive move to put something out there instead of confronting the person directly. (If it’s a serious issue and the person isn’t responsive, then you start adding other parties to the mix to get help, etc.)

      That said, this doesn’t look like D’Angelo was doing this because he thought the cheating was wrong. This is more in the “immature prank” category.

      • Me

        D’Angelo aside, I’ll say that my interpretation of the rule has nothing to do with taking up an issue man-to-man and everything to do with not blowing a man’s cover even when he’s all the way wrong. It’s basically diet “no snitching”.

        • Kas

          It’s really “carb & fat heavy” no snitching. I understand why you find it ridiculous. Men, myself included, have just been indoctrinated deeply into the mindset. *shrug*

          • Me

            LOL @ “carb & fat heavy”. I guess it is a heavy meal to follow that must make y’all feel satisfied in some way to keep chewing on it. I’m just wondering when guys are gonna start bucking the system. It’s like the one ain’t isht rule that dudes want to die by, but to what end?

            • Kas

              All of us, even that mythical unicorn who has never cheated, know that we are capable of cheating. If you can’t trust your friend to have your back, then what is left. Note this rule only applies to friends. One of my female friends wants to do some dirt, she gets the same cone of silence. Vice versa some random guy is doing dirt to a female friend of mine, and running and tell it . . . after I have words with him.

              • Me

                But then that would/should apply to everything then. We’re all capable of the worst actions, yet we only get tight lipped on cheating (and criminal enterprise, but I’ll accept that that’s related to life or death decision making skills more so than solidarity).

                • Kas

                  What else is there to be tight lipped on other than cheating and criminal enterprise?

                  • Me

                    Finances, sexual orientation, employment status, cosmetic surgery, hairpieces, sexual history, etc… A lot of the things we freely discuss with the public about other people’s private affairs should in theory be off-limits if the objective is solidarity and minding our own business.

                    • Personally I extend my stance to that, but that’s just me.

  • Vanity in Peril

    “Damn, Daniel. Dis tew much” gave me convulsions of laughter. Guffaw!

  • AquaTeamV3

    Eh, this is less about double standards and more about perspective.

    I’d argue that the majority of folks believe that cheating is wrong, regardless of gender. As such they’d probably agree that Nick Young’s behavior is scummy. That said, the cheating isn’t the highlighted issue in this case. What stands out is a betrayal of confidence between teammates; you don’t have an intimate conversation with someone close to you, record it, and then post it online. If D’Angelo really had an issue with the cheating, he should have talked about it man-to-man, not blast it across the airwaves. Keeping confidences is becoming more of a lost art as time goes on.

    • panamajackson

      Maybe so, but cheating is still something he did. And it doesnt really matter to anybody. We all agree its bad, but Kehlani caught flack for it. Nick Young is not.

      • Brandon Allen

        Real talk. It’s really another patriarchy angle. It’s about PND taking Kyrie ‘ s girl. It’s not even really about her. Also, people wanting to be the most ridiculous on social media.

        • KNeale

          Wow. You said it. Its not even about her. And also PND posting the picture with that comment to someone who he supposedly love is gross. Kehlani and Nick Young were both exposed on social media by someone they supposedly trusted, but only one of them is being called a victim.

          • John Shannon

            Well, PND also saved her life too, according to her.

            So Door is pulling a Ras Al Ghul technique for a Woman who allegedly ALREADY Dumped a guy, for what?

            • Brass Tacks

              Im loving the DC comments that have been permeating VSB lately.

      • Homie91

        Nick Young is Somebody, Kehlani is NOBODY. I didn’t even know who this chick was until a few days ago. Do you really think Hilary Clinton wouldn’t be sitting in jail right now if she wasn’t somebody (i.e famous)?

  • Mika

    You sir, deserve an award. Someone get this man an award for writing this.

  • miss t-lee

    Party Next Door and D’Angelo Russell are running a neck and neck race in douchbaggery.
    We can all agree cheating is bad, but so is putting folks business out in the street, when it’s really not your place.

    • Mika

      I don’t get what people get out of it though. What do you achieve? Fame for 15 min as the person who outed them? Just starting up unnecessary trouble.

      • miss t-lee

        I don’t understand it either.

      • KNeale

        Yeah especially since now I head that Russell is being iced out by his teammates. They wont speak or even sit next to him. I’m betting he wasn’t thinking, he just acted and he probably regrets it now.

        • miss t-lee

          I just read they’re supposedly both addressing the media this evening before their game. That should be interesting.

        • Mika

          I feel like men take those relationships in sports like a true brotherhood. He was probably talking to him, like this is my bro foreal, he knows G code, and boom, outed him just cause he is young and dumb as fawk. You never know how people react to those things. How did he not know Iggy was crazy, what about crimes of passion? SMH people don’t think.

          • KB

            Not that I condone such actions, but if you’re doing dirt, just keep it to yourself fam. Don’t tell not nann nudda soul that you’re creepin. Why ninjas feel the need to brag about who they’re creeping with is beyond me.

            • Me

              That should be the beginning and end of “man code”. I don’t understand why folks get mad at other people snitching, when the original snitch is themselves!

              • John Shannon

                A Snitch is someone doing dirt and throws a guy under the bus to save his own behind; I hate the No Snitch culture when it comes to Crime and Death.

                Privacy is just that- private, and Russell has no chill for respecting that. It’s not his place of business to do what he did at all

                • Me

                  What’s private about telling someone your dirt? If someone wants to keep their personal info private, it’s not that difficult to do. If you don’t want people knowing your dirt, don’t snitch on yourself. Once that info comes out your mouth, you have no control where it goes.

                  • John Shannon

                    I’m sorry, but Nobody ever seemed to worry about being recorded until today. Friendships will End now because of this

                    • Me

                      That’s not true either, but I’m getting the sense that a lot of your logic is based on stereotypes and memes, so I’m checking out of this convo. Peace.

                • KingsCounty

                  Kobe is a snitch. He got caught and threw his man under the bus in hopes for a shorter sentence.
                  Then he bought a ring, did some community service and won some chips and viola we all forget.

                  • John Shannon

                    If someone hates you but Also Cheating on His Wife, you don’t owe that person a damn thing. Shaq should have had No Comment about Kobe’s situation rather than take shots and maybe then he would not have had to get exposed himself. With Superhead’s book that came out in ’09, it’s better he got caught in 04-05 than years later

            • miss t-lee

              You do your dirt 1 deep.

              • Brass Tacks

                ^^^This shi right hurr!

                • miss t-lee

                  It’s real talk.

            • heyheyno

              Right! I swear from my personal experience men gossip more than women.

              • Mochasister

                You ain’t said nothing but a word! And they watch soap operas too! Lol!

                • cancergirl08

                  Yep. I’ve had men mention “Victor Newman” from Y&R and I’m like, “how you know who that is?! But Y&R is the soap of all soaps, lol. It’s pretty good too.

                  • Mochasister

                    That was my paternal grandmother’s soap back in the day. I remember I started watching when Shemar Moore joined the cast. All My Children, One Life to Live, and General Hospital completed my roundup. Sigh, they don’t make soaps like they used to.

            • The thing is Nick wasn’t exactly “bragging”. D’Angelo was leading him on with questions so he could get some stuff recorded (which is what makes it such a violation) and Nick was just answering honestly because he had no reason to be suspicious. Apparently it was part of a “prank gone wrong”, but I don’t really understand why you would do that.

              • SororSalsa

                Probably because he knew Nick was gullible and a little dumb, and didn’t catch on to what D’Angelo was doing. And D’Angelo was dumb for thinking this wouldn’t come back to bite him in the a**.

                • Yea but I don’t thing D’Angelo was recording it to expose him though he just wanted to be funny. It’s just a dumb situation all the way around lol

            • Kas

              If you don’t brag, it didn’t happen.

            • Blueberry01

              I think that’s part of the reason why people cheat. They feel like they “outsmarted” the person they cheated on, so they brag about it to boost their self-confidence.

              I find that people who cheat usually have low self-esteem, fragile egos, and/or are insecure.

      • Likes!

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        Payback?

    • Exactly.

    • Homie91

      His career is pretty much done, unless he manages to become a Top 10 player. What he did is up there with coming out of the closet as gay while being an athlete.

      • Oluseyi

        Neeeeeeupe.

        He’s too good of a player for this to matter to his career. (He’s better than Nick Young.) Consider: Derek Fisher’s OPP ways have been known since his playing days, and it didn’t shorten his job or prevent him from getting a coaching job (at first). And Golden Tate allegedly smashed his own QB’s wife; he’s still playing for the Lions.

        Worst-case scenario, the Lakers trade him. Far more likely scenario? The Lakers trade or waive Nick Young during the off-season, assuming his contract doesn’t expire. Either way, expect D’Angelo Russell to be a Laker next season and Nick Young not to be.

        • porqpai

          I dunno. I think a case can be made of the past couple years of athletic f*ckery paving the way for more Terrell Owens to occur in the NBA. I mean, no one would touch T.O. Or Randy Moss at the end of their careers because they were considered “team distractions” amongst a host of other reasons. But, yeah, it’s a trend I think the NBA will pick back up with soon. See Dennis Rodman. If the entire bench is publicly shaming him, he’s a liability irrespective of his talent.

          • Kas

            TO and Moss were no longer top 5 players when they got cut loose. They have always been difficult, but their diminishing skills finally caught up to them. If Ray Rice was younger and better, he would still be in the league.

            • porqpai

              Every team will take a shot at an old timer with some gas left as either self-directed backup, but mostly for leadership. They didn’t get that shot because no coach trusted them not to lead the team straight into foolishness. Hence my adding “amongst a host of other reasons”. But they, and to an extent Chad “Ocho-Cinqo” set that trend, and if you notice, the minute you get negative press, the pundits are talking about your job being on the line. That wasn’t always the norm. You also get situations like Manzel having to hire the “trouble agent” ( I forget his name, but he repped T.O. ) and a rep for being a problem. The trend is real (reactionary on the part of owners and coaches ), and extending to more sports.

              • Kas

                Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, and Aaron Rogers, could do anything short of killing someone (with a good lawyer even murder wouldn’t be out of bounds) and would still have no shortage of offers. If LeBron said he was feeling Dan Gilbert’s wife, best believe Dan would send her over in her best and cleanest underwear. Jobs are only on the the line when your talent drops off or you abuse a dog (wypipo and their dayum dogs!).

                • porqpai

                  I legit cracked up at the dog bit. I also only barely cede the argument to you because Big Ben still has a starting qb spot in the NFL. Lol

                • Brass Tacks

                  As a Vick fan 4Lyfe.

                  I approve this message.

      • miss t-lee

        Not first time this kinda thing has happened. I mean Kobe snitched on Shaq. Jason Kidd and Jimmy Jackson back in the gap. etc, etc.

        • Kas

          Russell will be fine since he is more talented than Nick. Nick is the more likely candidate to be playing overseas.

          • Dougie

            Nick Young is about to be 31 and has another year on his contract. And he can shoot. He might get another 2 year joint in 2017, but he is on the down side of his career. It was a solid one. He’s not going overseas.

            • Kas

              Not saying he would, but comparing the talent level of the two.

        • Godzilla Jr.

          But Kobe had Kobe-level talent. D Russell? Not so much…

          • miss t-lee

            Just pointing out that this isn’t new.

        • Dougie

          This is drastically different than Kobe snitching. Kobe was in a legal deposition and blurted it out. This kid secretly recorded a private conversation with the intention of posting it to the masses.

          • miss t-lee

            Snitching is snitching.
            Plus Kobe has no reason to be talking about Shaq’s personal business with the dayum law.

            • Dougie

              I agree that Kobe is awful, and I’ve preached that for years; but to compare the two on a surface level kinda ignores a lot of stuff underneath and HOW bad D’Angelo was compared to Kobe.

              • Kas

                I will take being secretly recorded over being narc’d out during a conversation with police. But I’m splitting hairs, they are both unacceptable.

              • miss t-lee

                Ehhhh.
                I’m looking at this at the same level across the board. Telling other folks’ business when it’s not yours to tell.

            • Question

              He did if it helped explain the chain of events and prove/suggest that something was consensual.

              My point: TOTALLY different situation. Prank vs. Aggravated assault and rape charge.

              • miss t-lee

                You can make your point. I made mine already.

                • Question

                  I did.

        • Question

          Different. Kobe didn’t just snitch on Shaq – he made mention of Shaq to police during an investigation about a chain of invents. That wasn’t snitching.

      • At this point, if D’Angelo Russell ever had any interest in men, he might want to, um…. aggressively pursue them. Jussayin.

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