i have an strange tendency to assume that people i’ve met who i’m not physically or sexually attracted to are attracted to me, and this can be somewhat disconcerting. but, oddly, this feeling usually only applies to gay black men and ugly white women. you can imagine how difficult this makes shopping at the gap for me.
as weird as this bit of aggressively unambitious egomania might seem, i’ve reluctantly come to realize that it does make me somewhat homophobic. i mean, i’m not going to be joining T.O.K. to remix “chi-chi man” anytime soon, but the fact that i’d be a tad bit unnerved by a hooper x doppelganger showing me slacks means that i’m not quite the bastion of open-mindedness and objectivity i thought i was.
yet despite all of this, i take full advantage of the freedom my well-earned “well, he makes tongue-in-cheek jokes about everybody and everything. he’s really cool and compassionate though so don’t take it seriously” pretense gives me to make off-color jokes, asides, and analogies about homosexual men
anyway, thinking about all of this helps me to understand why so many “enlightened” sistas are loathe to admit that they’re just as (if not more) homophobic than the typical brotha is assumed to be.
because their homophobia usually isn’t as outwardly vehement as a cat reciting cam’ron lyrics or calling kanye a “faggot”, it’s somewhat easy for them to ignore the cognitive dissonance that occurs when professing the need for a “gay bff” while simultaneously using gay black men as an easy scapegoat for rising HIV infection rates. this thought process also leads them to dismiss the idea that a man telling his son to “stop being a sissy” and a woman refusing to date a man who they heard might have been a sissy in 1995 come from the exact same place.
plus, they realize that an educated person actually admitting that they still harbor a bit of uneasiness about the idea of a gay black man in 2010 blatantly contradicts the open-mindedness that most socially and politically savvy sistas pride themselves on, so they continue to join “i hate prop 8″ groups on facebook while opening another firefox window to order j.l. king’s most recent hysterical missive in bulk.
mind you, i’m not trying to start another round of the “more” race. i could care less about who’s “more” homophobic between us (a “typical” black man) and them (a “typical” black woman), and i could give two shits about who’s is going to reach the finish line first.
but, i will say that i know that we definitely aint alone on the track, even if they still won’t admit that they’ve been running too.
—the champ
I cnt really muster up any written words that say, “I agree with you”, so I nod my head concurringly.
“I cnt really muster up any written words that say, “I agree with you””
lol, you just did. nothing says “i agree with you” better than “i agree with you”
Yeah but I was referring to something catchy, flavorful. Im not the George Orwell type, simplicity just cant due.
Second of all I cant make any anit-gay sentiments, because gay black men are like body snatchers, they walk among us.
I won’t be denying myself any employment opportunities in the future.
lol at the body snatcher comment. Something about it made spit out a small amount of coffee.
Well its mutual. As long as they dont have “ninja stars”. LMAO
would this stars be shaped like a pair of balls?
(sorry. couldnt resist the urge to add some 4th grade gay humor)
Eh. Racism is out of style and so is homophobia. Racists can just join the Tea Baggers (snicker), mention literacy tests for voting, and casually refer to non-whites as ‘those people’ and ‘you people’. Nobody’s cleaver enough to come up with another thing to use to discriminate against gays. Unless folks start hating on the stereotypes. Can you imagine people protesting against neatly dressed men and funny short haired women? It would be too hard to limit those groups so that they exclude heteros.
Nobody’s cleaver enough to come up with another thing to use to discriminate against gays.
i think they’ll start going after apple products and american apparel next
the cognitive dissonance that occurs when professing the need for a “gay bff” while simultaneously using gay black men as an easy scapegoat for rising HIV infection rates. this thought process also leads them to dismiss the idea that a man telling his son to “stop being a sissy” and a woman refusing to date a man who they heard might have been a sissy in 1995 come from the exact same place.
Yes and amen to that whole paragraph. I think my biggest peeve with homophobia is the need to dehumanize individuals. Gay people are no longer the sum of their parts; no, instead they are distilled down into that one little thing, their sexuality. Even the so called positives labels, i.e. all gay men are fabulous decorators/stylists/hair dressers, sashaying fools is just as bad as the other hateful ish. It’d be nice if everyone embraced the LGBT community, sang Kumbaya and let them have the right to pursue their path of own path of happiness, but I’m not that naive. I’ll settle for people doling out the judgment on a case by case basis. I’m all good on you not liking me, but hate me because you’ve gotten to know me and realize an a gigantic a**hole, not because you see me out with my girlfriend and pigeon hole me in your little boxes. Anyway, I don’t think you should be that concerned that you are uncomfortable around the hopper X doppelganger; at least you recognize it. Maybe, sometime down the road you’ll strike up a conversation with the dude, making a conscious effort to overcome the urge to run, and you’ll realize he’s not even remotely interested in you. Seriously, not even a little. It’s not like you start grinding on every girl you meet? I hope not anyway. We all have our prejudices, sadly.
And Prop 8…..seriously, California massive effing fail. Liberal state my tushie. Prop 8 and the misogyny laws, the similarities are striking. Why can’t we just love who we love?
I meant Prop 8 and miscegenation laws, forgive my sleep addled brain.
…when you wrote misogyny laws, my brain instantly accepted it and thought it was some new anti-abortion legislation!! Damn, now there are laws enforcing misogyny?!! wtf?! LOL. Goes to show where MY brain is this morning.
anyway, your post is the truth and good mornin to ya.
“Maybe, sometime down the road you’ll strike up a conversation with the dude, making a conscious effort to overcome the urge to run, and you’ll realize he’s not even remotely interested in you. Seriously, not even a little. It’s not like you start grinding on every girl you meet?”
this is what i tell myself. i’m not attracted to every woman i see, so why would it make sense to think that every gay man is attracted to every man they see? thing is, there’s a difference being knowing something is truly and truly believing it, and thats where the breakdown occurs for me.
well it might be true that every gay man you encounter wants to bone you. you do look kinda gay in that leather jacket you always wear… *just sayin*
POW! lol E prima you made me spit out my coffee
“you do look kinda gay in that leather jacket you always wear… *just sayin*”
thanks gem
you’re welcome champikins!! *hugs*
Honestly, most men wouldn’t mind boning a large percentage of the chicks we meet on a daily basis. It would all depend on the situation and how easily we could bone.
Since that’s our mindset, we assume that gay dudes have the same mindset, which understably makes us a little uncomfortable. I know gay men don’t want to bone every dude they see, but given how I am about chicks, I assume they are the same way.
So, somebody explain to me why they are different.
First, let’s get something straight…
All straight men don’t want to bone every woman they see. That’s just how you think, and for you to assume that everyone or even a majority of straight men think that way, that’s faulty.
Secondly, unless you’re walking around looking like Shemar Moore, Mehcad Brooks, Morris Chestnut, or the like, most gay men aren’t going to be thinking about giving you a second look, much less boning (or being boned by) you.
If you’re that low of a guy to think about sexing a female everywhere you go, then you have issues, and that’s not normal. You, gays, bi’s, lesbians, and whoever you can think of, are much more than your sexuality and the desires that stem from it. Wake up. Wise up. Move on.
In a (not so small) nutshell. I like.
I think that most of us VSS are ok with male gayness in the sense of having a guy you can go shopping with or have “girl talk” with but we are still uncomfortable with the idea or visualization of gay male sex.
I think one, because it goes against all that we deem as “manly” and two, because we know how much butt chex hurts!!
I personally have no problem with gay men but I still get kinda sqeamish seeing two dudes kiss. I’m all for love and sh*t but I think hetero people are just hard wired via evolution to find same sex relaionships as unnatural because, technically speaking, they are. The most basic and universal function of all living organisms is to procreate.
So while I think people will eventually lighten up over time it will never be FULLY ok with most people for that very reason. It’s a paradox and sh*t.
ok with male gayness in the sense of having a guy you can go shopping with or have “girl talk”
I know you didn’t mean it that way, but I just want to point out that not all gay men are females with penises. A lot of them are just regular guys, who like regular guy stuff (whatever the h**l that means), and could care less about shopping and girl talk. Seriously, statements like this make me want to punch baby seals. Stereotypes are just insidious people.
Plus, this,’ The most basic and universal function of all living organisms is to procreate.’ somehow, with the exception of the Catholic church, I don’t see that many people up in arms about birth control and contraception. Which according to your criteria is just as unnatural as same sex releationships.
Anyway, I think you are right and generation by generation people will stop with the hate. Hopefully; hey, we have interracial marriages now. Lord know they weren’t playing that circa 1967.
Seriously, statements like this make me want to punch baby seals. Stereotypes are just insidious people.
amen to that!!!! i dont have a gay male bff nor do i want one! mostly becuz this is boiling gay men down to a stereotype! i would hate to find out any of my 2520 friends have me around as they “bla[xican] friend” so they can learn how to make fried chicken, mexican food, talk in jay-z lyrics and do the fist bump with to look cool. *smh*
and this…
I don’t see that many people up in arms about birth control and contraception. Which according to your criteria is just as unnatural as same sex releationships.
amen! *hi five* and co-sign
“my 2520 friends have me around as they “bla[xican] friend” so they can learn how to make fried chicken, mexican food, talk in jay-z lyrics and do the fist bump with to look cool. *smh*”
Dagnabit, there goes my plan. I’ve been keeping you around trying to learn how to make salsa and guacamole. lol!
LOL and crocheting!!! damn you, poison ivy, damn you!!
So, the argument that people are hypocrites somehow invalidates the argument that the natural function of all life forms is to replicate?
That’s illogical.
People aren’t up in arms about birth control because they are hypocrites. That doesn’t have anything to do with the urge to procreate and humans reaction to those who aren’t interested in procreation.
I understand your anger at folks who will mistreat homosexuals based on the procreation argument but then use birth control or have abortions, but that doesn’t mean the two issues are truly connected.
I think hetero people are just hard wired via evolution to find same sex relaionships as unnatural because, technically speaking, they are.
This is an example of the logic used to justify the ostracizing of homosexuals. I’m not saying that’s what you’re doing, just that people use some idea of what’s natural as a talking point. It kinda goes beyond de-humanizing. More like ‘you shouldn’t exist’-izing.
If homosexuality was ‘unnatural,’ then it wouldn’t exist. Something only needs one occurrence in order to be natural regardless of the value humans place on the event/organism/object (or lack thereof).
not sure evolution is to blame either, recall that several cultures including ancient Greece and Sparta (yup 300) engaged in all sorts of homosexual practices…..look up “pederasty” in antiquity if you are curious……not sayin this makes it right or wrong…just sayin people been doin it for a while (….not before Christ but a long f-ing time…..)
Jigga ref. for you BK
FYI folks – Relax. Taking my comment out of context. I wasn’t speaking about my own views, I was just hypothesizing why I think people have a problem with it. If you thoroughly read my post I said I don’t have a problem with anything, I just have a problem SEEING it (which I think alot of people would agree), but other than that I could give two shits less what anyone does behind closed doors. You could be f*cking animals or kitchen appliances for all I care…
I know all gay men aren’t effeminate and flamboyant – I was just following up on what Champ said about women wanting a “gay BFF”
No need to school me on gayness and sh*t, trust me, its the last thing on my mind!
@BKSweetheart…You could be f*cking animals or kitchen appliances for all I care…
Now this right here is funny as hell to me…..well not so much the animals, but the kitchen appliances….mental picture of someone getting all up on the toaster ….*DEAD*
Yeah I wasnt schooling you I was specifically talking to meteorman, agreeing with his assertion, I think ur comment had merit I just added the jigga reference as a tip of the hat to u……
“not sure evolution is to blame either, recall that several cultures including ancient Greece and Sparta (yup 300) engaged in all sorts of homosexual practices”
this is true. all socreates and aristotle and plato wrote about was philosophy and fellatio.
Just becoming a member of the 300 was mmmm…intense.
“If homosexuality was ‘unnatural,’ then it wouldn’t exist. Something only needs one occurrence in order to be natural regardless of the value humans place on the event/organism/object (or lack thereof).”
way to get all stephen hawkings(sp?) and sh*t
After your comment, Champ, I totally went back and read MeteorMan’s comment in monotone Stephen Hawking-voice.
“I think one, because it goes against all that we deem as “manly” and two, because we know how much butt chex hurts!!”
Are you sure all the VSS know this?
“I think one, because it goes against all that we deem as “manly” and two, because we know how much butt chex hurts!!”
***just wanted to let all the guys know that the bidding for bksweetheart’s email address will begin at 2pm est***
@The Champ – LMAO!!!! Oh please there isn’t a woman in here over the age of 23 that hasn’t been at the very least “accidentally” poked in the booty during chex!!
Y’all know I aint lyin!!!!
@ BK Sweetheart..
*dead like winter leaves..because sadly you AINT lyin!!
there’s no blanket statement that’s 100% on point..you are wrong on this account too..not every chick has experienced that
@The Champ
***just wanted to let all the guys know that the bidding for bksweetheart’s email address will begin at 2pm est***
Is there a reserve price?
17 cents
@The Champ
damn thats all my unchexed booty is worth
“17 cents”
i think I’ll pass.
Homosexuality not Natural? Annnnnd YOU’RE WRONG. Case and point:
http://www.livescience.com/animals/080516-gay-animals.html
Top Ten Gay Animals: http://www.livescience.com/bestimg/result.php?back=&cat=gayanimals
Humans didn’t teach these animals to be gay. Homosexuality is not a choice, no more than Heterosexuality is. Given, the ACT of having sex with someone is your choice, but that’s about it. You don’t tell yourself “im going to be aroused, get butterflied, be mushy, etc.” for any “type” of person. It just is. Have you ever questioned your own heterosexuality? No, because no one has probably ever brought it to your attention unless it was to compare or make reflection on the MINORITY sexuality. (you know, kind of like the same way white people don’t worry about being white until their black friend/associate/coworker reminds them or experiences something)
I was a bit homophobic…then I moved to Atlanta for school. Cleared that right up. I’ve never had issues with gay females, they all seem to love me. Vanquishing my homophobia allowed me to gain two of the best friends I could ever have. I still have limitations as to what I can “tolerate” or deal with, but that comes with straight folks too. I think in a world that is as close as the nearest keyboard, you can’t really live like that. It seems like nowadays, people are so worried about this down low situation that they want to see you stab someone in the neck during rush hour on the news at 9am to show how manly you are. I don’t worry about that stuff. A well placed “oooooooooooooow” (shout out to Brian from youtube) is just as funny from a straight man as it is from him. I figure, I’m not homophobic or gay, and if you doubt me, send your best heterosexual female friend by the crib….we’ll see.
I feel u on the post….the last sentence is funny to me….even when a brother is tryna show his progressiveness he still gotta stipulate something akin to a “no homo”……find that ironic, paradoxical, and confabulating at the same time
Hmmmm, valid thought process. I never thought of it as similar to “no homo”. Thank you for he new word, I’d never heard “confabulating” before.
“Thank you for he new word, I’d never heard “confabulating” before.”
that sounds gay
LMAO! Can’t lie…I thought the SAME thing…
LMAO!!!!!
I figure, I’m not homophobic or gay, and if you doubt me, send your best heterosexual female friend by the crib….we’ll see.
its funny you say this for a number of reasons, but mainly because im not sure a man’s romp in the sack with a woman could necessarily prove how hetero he is. presumably, a man could literally go in on a girl’s vadge just as hard (hehe) core as he could on another man’s a$$. sure, he might have more of an affinity for one than the other, but could, like many women in the missionary position, fake it.
basically, any man that says he can SHOW me his hetero-ness by some physical measure needs more ppl… preferably heteros.
It seems like nowadays, people are so worried about this down low situation that they want to see you stab someone in the neck during rush hour on the news at 9am to show how manly you are
Word. Life… And you know how I feel about that, bro.
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it’s somewhat easy for them to ignore the cognitive dissonance that occurs when professing the need for a “gay bff”
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Wait… black women’s gay BFF’s are black too?
Wow. I guess I missed the memo because I have hotmail.
——> goes to tell her white gay BFF we can’t be BFFs anymore. Damnit. I thought all gay BFFs were like Mark from Ugly Betty and sh*t.
“goes to tell her white gay BFF we can’t be BFFs anymore. Damnit. I thought all gay BFFs were like Mark from Ugly Betty and sh*t.”
exactly!
well, i’m one of those women with a gay bff. he’s actually (supposedly) technically bi and claims that he will eventually marry a woman. yet, i am uncomfortable with and opposed to the idea of dating any man who “used to be” gay. i’m not sure if that’s homophobic or not. and i know that i won’t know every man’s past or be able to tell just by looking. oh! also, it makes for slightly awkward moments when the bff and i are watching certain episodes of tyra or oprah (um….the ones with ted haggard….). but i’m okay with all that.
oh, and on another note, every once in a while my mom will see a flamboyant man and go, “…..is he…..gay?” it shocks me every time. i can’t believe she still finds gay spottings so unusual. girl, momma, bye.
yet, i am uncomfortable with and opposed to the idea of dating any man who “used to be” gay.
why?
If women think gay= less manly, then that man will always be less manly in her eyes.
I lurk a lot and comment little, but I know none of the VSB’s wants a “used to be h0e.” (nttawwt…right?) It just doesn’t fit with what you want for your life…
Please note, I am not linking gay to h0e…I’m just saying women and men may have similar, “No thanks” attitudes when it comes to people’s pasts regarding those two subjects.
“I lurk a lot and comment little, but I know none of the VSB’s wants a “used to be h0e.” (nttawwt…right?) It just doesn’t fit with what you want for your life…
Please note, I am not linking gay to h0e…I’m just saying women and men may have similar, “No thanks” attitudes when it comes to people’s pasts regarding those two subjects”
i know. whenever i encounter a woman who doesnt understand why a woman’s ‘out there” past bothers some men, i just ask her to imagine how you’d feel if you found out the guy you’re seeing used to be a little gay
i just ask her to imagine how you’d feel if you found out the guy you’re seeing used to be a little gay
for some reason, this made me chuckle. I think it was the “little gay” part…
It may also have to do with the fact that I wouldn’t believe that somebody used to be gay. If you were gay before then you are still gay. I don’t think you can turn on and off gay. I mean in the back of mind I would wonder if you still wanted to be with men and are truly attracted to women.
Man please… (no homo)
Black Author wins The Matrix Copyright Infringement Case
This little known story has met a just conclusion, as Sophia Stewart, African American author of The Matrix will finally receive her just due from the copyright infringement of her original work!!!
A six-year dispute has ended involving Sophia Stewart, the Wachowski Brothers, Joel Silver and Warner Brothers. Stewart’s allegations, involving copyright infringement and racketeering, were received and acknowledged by the Central District of California, Judge Margaret Morrow presiding.
Stewart, a New Yorker who has resided in Salt Lake City for the past five years, will recover damages from the films, The Matrix I, II and III, as well as The Terminator and its sequels. She will soon receive one of the biggest payoffs in the history of Hollywood , as the gross receipts of both films and their sequels total over 2.5 billion dollars.
Stewart filed her case in 1999, after viewing the Matrix, which she felt had been based on her manuscript, ‘The Third Eye,’ copyrighted in 1981. In the mid-eighties Stewart had submitted her manuscript to an ad placed by the Wachowski Brothers, requesting new sci-fi works..
According to court documentation, an FBI investigation discovered that more than thirty minutes had been edited from the original film, in an attempt to avoid penalties for copyright infringement. The investigation also stated that ‘credible witnesses employed at Warner Brothers came forward, claiming that the executives and lawyers had full knowledge that the work in question did not belong to the Wachowski Brothers.’ These witnesses claimed to have seen Stewart’s original work and that it had been ‘often used during preparation of the motion pictures.’ The defendants tried, on several occasions, to have Stewart’s case dismissed, without success.
Stewart has confronted skepticism on all sides, much of which comes from Matrix fans, who are strangely loyal to the Wachowski Brothers. One on-line forum, entitled Matrix Explained has an entire section devoted to Stewart. Some who have researched her history and writings are open to her story.
Others are suspicious and mocking. ‘It doesn’t bother me,’ said Stewart in a phone interview last week, ‘I always knew what was true.’
Some fans, are unaware of the case or they question its legitimacy, due to the fact that it has received little to no media coverage. Though the case was not made public until October of 2003, Stewart has her own explanation, as quoted at aghettotymz.com:
‘The reason you have not seen any of this in the media is because Warner Brothers parent company is AOL-Time Warner…. this GIANT owns 95 percent of the media… let me give you a clue as to what they own in the media business… New York Times papers/magazines, LA Times papers/magazines, People Magazine, CNN news, Extra, Celebrity Justice, Entertainment Tonight, HBO, New Line Cinema, DreamWorks, Newsweek, Village Roadshow and many, many more! They are not going to report on themselves. They have been suppressing my case for years.’
Fans who have taken Stewart’s allegations seriously, have found eerie mythological parallels, which seem significant in a case that revolves around the highly metaphorical and symbolic Matrix series. Sophia, the Greek goddess of wisdom has been referenced many times in speculation about Stewart. In one book about the Goddess Sophia, it reads, ‘The black goddess is the mistress of web creation spun in her divine matrix.’
Although there have been outside implications as to racial injustice (Stewart is African American), she does not feel that this is the case. ‘This is all about the Benjamins,’ said Stewart. ‘It’s not about money with me. It’s about justice.’
Stewart’s future plans involve a record label, entitled Popsilk Records, and a motion picture production company, All Eyez On Me, in reference to God. ‘I wrote The Third Eye to wake people up, to remind them why God put them here. There’s more to life than money,’ said Stewart. ‘My whole to the world is about God and good and about choice, about spirituality over ‘technocracy’.’
If Stewart represents spirituality, then she truly has prevailed over the ‘technocracy’ represented in both the Terminator and the Matrix, and now, ironically, by their supposed creators.
Stewart is currently having discussions with CBS about a possible exclusive story and has several media engagements in the near future to nationally publicize her victory. June 13th 2004. Sophia Stewart’s press release read: ‘The Matrix & Terminator movie franchises have made world history and have ultimately changed the way people view movies and how Hollywood does business, yet the real truth about the creator and creation of these films continue to elude the masses because the hidden secret of the matter is that these films were created and written by a Black woman…a Black woman named Sophia Stewart. But Hollywood does not want you to know this fact simply because it would change history. Also it would encourage our Black children to realize a dream and that is…nothing is impossible for them to achieve!’
This explains why they haven’t made anything since the Matrix. Speed Racer was meh.
Black people were the first to develop and introduce civilization to the rest of mankind. The facts have been dubiously and continuously erased from pop culture and relegated to fringe cultism. Our time to lead again is coming around again and I hope we become prepared. It won’t mean being “thing” oriented and primarily left brain functions that dileniate the difference between “things” but also integrative and right brained: ONE. The creative ability of the one balanced with the other is what allowed mankind to take huge leaps in developing civilization. You can do/be anything if we can begin to look internally and take overbearing focus off of external creation and get balanced. Avatar, Matrix etc and many of the big box office mega hits end with the well meaning white man coming to save everyone else from ourselves, himself and his peers. This is going to be a tumutuous year of change. If you thrive in a transforming environment it’s time to get busy if you don’t you’ll probably be cowering in a corner. Don’t. Take some chances this year. Be your own “messiah.” Look inwardly.
V for Vendetta and Ninja Assassin
***officially making this february’s nomination for vsb.com’s annual “comment of the year that has absolutely nothing to do with the entry it was posted it” award***
Lol. My bad Champ. Thanks for letting me get this out to your readership. It speaks to the strength of the network you’ve help build. My apologies for the lack of decorum. Sincere.
lol, dont worry about it. i’m glad that sista won her settlement
How much is she supposed to get because even a percentage of 2.5B is big cake.
most settlements are stipulated to be secret…..thats why they have to be “leaked”
Negro Legal
even a percentage of 2.5B is big cake.
You hear me!! I am glad she got her due! There are so many of these stories… and I can so see how quickly this can happen… *smh*
I know kung fu.
Seriously, though, I think I love this comment. Good look.
*Looks up Sophia Stewart on Google……Jaw Drops*
In my google searches, I even found out there is a blacknerds network!! w00t w00t!
snopes.com says this is false. cant find any credible internet source that suggests otherwise. where is this published??
There is a case number… here it is:
The case number in the Utah Federal Court… Civil No. 2:07-cv-00552
The Judge denied a dismissal and ruled the evidence stands.
I believe it’s easy to look that up.
i meant that this whole settlement thing was true. but this works too!!! lol… very easy to look up, thanks!!
Check your snopes son…
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/matrix.asp
I don’t know… There’s something about my people being oppressed and continuously discriminated against that says to me that probably every black person should go ahead and let homosexuals have their freedom to marry without contest. Not too long ago, we had to jump over a broom…
Homosexuality is not “unnatural.” I really dislike the argument that basically turns de-humanizing into ‘you shouldn’t exist’-izing. If something exists, then it is natural. Its not even a new concept. If something EVER existed, then it’s natural. Some of us place some kind of value on “natural” like the world in which we paint it is what it should be. Newsflash: Reality is itself and is rarely what we (humans) think it should be.
Slight rant… I can picture 2520s from 450 years ago saying its “unnatural” for us to read and to live as citizens within a society.
I totally agree.
Also, gays should definitely have the right to marry. If they could marry each other, maybe they wouldn’t be marrying heterosexuals ceasing the down low-ness that’s going on.
i dont think ppl on the dl getting married to heteros has anything to do with actual marriage lol. and everything to do with wanting to be “normal” aka “hetero”. ninjas wanna beat another dudes meat without being a “fag”
“There’s something about my people being oppressed and continuously discriminated against that says to me that probably every black person should go ahead and let homosexuals have their freedom to marry without contest.”
I agree and disagree. It is my understanding that marriage has to do more with religion than with state law (civil right). While the state should be able to grant you partnership/union, should it still be called a marriage?
I also am not a fan of people comparing sexual orientation struggles to race struggles. I’m crunched for time right now but I will come back and explain.
“I also am not a fan of people comparing sexual orientation struggles to race struggles. .”
Thank you. I am not a fan of this at all.
neither am i
Nope. This lesbian in my office steady be trying to convince me. Ish makes me mad to type about it!
One day, she even changed my desktop to a photo of two black dudes with shirts that say, “Gay is the new black.” I wanted to clock that heffa…and those two dudes…lol
I know gays experience civil rights issues. But, they are completely separate from black civil rights issues.
I tried to explain to her that she gets to pick and choose who knows she’s gay. She’s not butch, so people may not always catch it. I’m black all day, every day. Rain, shine, sleet or snow. I love it and it’s not a burden, but I can’t put this skin away when it’s inconvenient. This me. You and your boo? Y’all can just be @ the house and no one has to know. Mmk?!
I’ve done this rant twice to a blank stare. I give up.
“I also am not a fan of people comparing sexual orientation struggles to race struggles. I’m crunched for time right now but I will come back and explain.”
Same here, as a gay rights supporter, I NEVER do this. And I actually get incensed when folks do this to defend their case. Because it DOESN’T defend it. There are so many other things you can say to defend gay rights without getting into some sort of Opression Olympics battle with race. Frankly, comparing gay rights and racial rights belittles the specific intricacies of both. They’re both rights, sure, but they are different and should be treated as such in order to get anything done. You can’t just wave a magic hand over both rights to solve them. Obviously they are two different struggles and will take two different methods to solve them.
absolutely agree with you cheeks (and miss t-lee and ivy st upthread).
i remember in my senior year of high school my econ teacher talked to us about this and how he thought it would take a LONG time for the “gay rights” movement to gain enough attention because they kept comparing themselves to the civil rights movement.
i hate the argument like i hate the holocaust vs. mid-atlantic slave trade argument. apples and zucchini really. just STOP!
lmfao @ “apples and zucchini”. Love the spin on the old saying.
LOL but seriously. apples to oranges doesnt even begin to describe the disconnect, imho. theyre both fruit and approx the same size. i needed something of greater contrast yet still in the same “produce” family lol.
“LOL but seriously. apples to oranges doesnt even begin to describe the disconnect, imho. theyre both fruit and approx the same size. i needed something of greater contrast yet still in the same “produce” family lol.”
Haha, I feel ya. And strongly agree.
thanks, ash, for clearing that up. i’ve always been uncomfortable w the comparison but that’s mostly because gay white folks be making that argument. and to me, they are still white and privileged (read: prone to appropriating sh*t) regardless of their sexuality. i never thought deeper than that about the merits of the argument. thanks again!
“I also am not a fan of people comparing sexual orientation struggles to race struggles.”
I’m not a fan of doing this but I’ve used the analogy in past. Hell I think I did on VSB a few weeks ago. My bad.
I also am not a fan of people comparing sexual orientation struggles to race struggles.
Cosign,…one has nothing to do with the other.
Well even if your service is performed by the county clerk and not a priest, it’s still called marriage. You get a marriage certificate and God has nothing to do with it. They say a couple of words about the State’s power. So I have to disagree. Marriage is whatever people want it to be. That’s why we have (or should have) separation of church and state.
While the state should be able to grant you partnership/union, should it still be called a marriage?
@Ivy St.
Sure. Why not? No one owns that word.
I also am not a fan of people comparing sexual orientation struggles to race struggles. I’m crunched for time right now but I will come back and explain.
I wasn’t equating sexual orientation struggles to racial struggles. I wasn’t even comparing… They are not comparable; however, I do feel that at times I want to tap certain individuals on the shoulder and say: “you’re not helping.”
More like STFUIts funny how people use the same belief system that was imposed upon them to shun the civil rights of others as well as a basis for ostracizing another group of humans. That is a fact.Its funny how people use the same belief system that was imposed upon them to shun the civil rights of others as well as a basis for ostracizing another group of humans. That is a fact
Say it loud and clear so more people can hear you.
People will be prejudiced no matter what… but it incenses me when the prejudiced against, turn around and also ostracize another group… Makes me think of the abusee who becomes an abuser. Endless, senseless cycle. *smh*
*standing ovation*
I love how progressive the VSBs are! It’s a good look!!!