naked: chris brown and the sad plight of the scorned man

unless you’ve been underneath aretha’s areolas a rock for the past 36 hours, you’ve undoubtedly heard about the domestic abuse scandal involving r&b megastars chris brown and rihanna, who are apparently attempting to follow in the star-crossed and dysfunctional footsteps of sid and nancy, ike and anna mae, and diddy and chapstick.

although the pop culturalist in me is i’m interested in seeing exactly whose image will take the biggest hit…

***my guess? in the pop community: chris brown. in the black community: rihanna. i’d bet a 20 to anyones 5 that this is exactly how it will play out***

…i’m not going to get all tmz-ey on you and discuss the minutia of the allegations. at the same time, though, the situation does highlight a relevant topic.

according to the rumors, brown’s actions were a direct result of him finding out that ms umbrella was out poning de river without an, ummm, raincoat…which eventually led to him getting drenched as well.

we’ve already discussed the potential dangers of retaliatory sullivan-esque window-busting, but whats continually ignored and dismissed is the scorned man. more specifically, what the hell is a scorned man supposed to do?

before i continue, i want to make it clear to the chicken littles out there that this isn’t a plea to take it easy on mr. kiss, kiss. i’m just using his situation as a segue for my main point. i don’t condone or support any type of domestic violence, ever. sh*t, i even spearheaded a short and ill-conceived movement a few years ago to have undershirts referred to as “lady massagers” instead of “wife beaters (***editors note*** the champ is lying)

with that being said, the plight of the scorned man is exacerbated by the fact that he usually doesn’t have many outlets. for instance, a woman usually has a safe nest of vulva scented feminine softness to land in if cheated on. although she may have to guard for chickenhawk wang buzzards thirsty for her leftovers, most woman can rely on a girlfriend or two to support her.

i mean, sh*t, theres an entire billion dollar industry complete with magazines and television stations (lifetime, oxygen, playboy) built around the idea of the downtrodden chick.

***lets put it this way: women scorned and cheated on is some melodramatic tear-jerking one-word titled (ie: “enough!!”) miniseries starring meredith baxter-birney and rosie perez. a man scorned and cheated on? its “forgetting sarah marshall”***

a man, on the other hand, usually has few to turn to, mostly because of the stigma of being scorned. where a scorned woman draws immediate sympathy because we been socialized to think that men in relationships will inevitably f*ck up, a scorned man is usually given five minutes of sympathy…immediately followed by some variant of “what the hell did you do to her to cause her to do this to you???”, which is then followed by “stop b*tching and man the f*ck up!!!. lets go bag some sluts”

if a guy admits to being cheated on, he then faces the stigma of having his sexual prowess questioned. this time, the five seconds of sympathy are followed by “i mean, if he was taking care of things in the bedroom, she wouldnt have cheated, right? maybe somethings missing down there”.

with this being said, again, what exactly is the scorned man supposed to do?

honestly, i dont know.

what i do know, though, is that although i continually jab at the existence of chick logic and the aura of impenetrable illogicisms permeating it, i do  admire their (usually) stigma-less freedom to discuss sh*t like this with each other.

of course, i’m lying again. (***editors note*** no he’s not)

—the champ

  • superwoman

    hmmm… he should perhaps talk to HIS girlfriends? the ones he knows for a fact he doesn’t want to sleep with, just to keep things clean… a good friend of mine turned to me when his S.O. cheated on him, stole from him, (then blamed it on their domestic worker, who he fired…), lied to him….

    it was slightly strange initially to hear all this from a guy, but as a friend, you have to be there when your homey is going thru such pain..

    as for chris brown…. Nx! no excuse for the nonsense. none! and didn’t he also come from a tough home life? therapy people – just say yes!!

    • http://myspace.com/shatani shatani

      @superwoman,

      i second that emotion! go to therapy, dammit!

      ive only ever had one male friend that would come and talk to me about how his gf did him wrong. that was awkward! not because he’s a dude, but because she was my friend too….i felt like i had to choose a side. i chose his cuz seriously, she effed his sh*t up and for, seemingly, no good reason!

      none of my other male friends have ever admitted to being cheated on…i dont doubt they would talk to me about it though. they talk to me about EVERYTHING else…

      • superwoman

        @shatani, same here! she was also a friend of mine, but the way she did him was SO WRONG!! and lying to the point that s’one lost their job was unconscionable.

        plus, i discovered eventually that i was also a victim of her web of deceit, she told me crazy lies too – and i had recommended her for a job based on that info… only to have the ish blow up in my face – so i WAS NOT impressed…

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @shatani,

        none of my other male friends have ever admitted to being cheated on…i dont doubt they would talk to me about it though.

        ive still never had a guy admit to me that his chick was running around on him. this just isnt a conversation most guys have.

        • osyeP

          @The Champ,
          I think most guys dont tell anyone b/c they just see it as karma and keep it movin….

    • Leila

      @superwoman, “as for chris brown…. Nx! no excuse for the nonsense. none!”

      I concur! There’s no excuse at all.

    • Princess Duvet

      @superwoman,

      “no excuse for the nonsense”

      in concurence as well..take your ball (get it tested then treated) and go home.

      start a therapy group. Champ seems to be big on “what about the men” messages. Start a public support group. btw..men do have informal support groups..ive overheard some very private tete-a-tete men had with other men about relationship issues, usually during like basket ball or something. But MEN TALK TO EACH OTHER.

      • ofloveandotherdemons

        @Princess Duvet,
        ..men do have informal support groups..ive overheard some very private tete-a-tete men had with other men about relationship issues, usually during like basket ball or something. But MEN TALK TO EACH OTHER.

        See, this is what I believe too. I’m not saying that they haven’t been socialized to internalize somethings in some situations, but if every person with an XY chromosone didn’t talk about anything but sports/women wouldn’t there be alot more random mall shootings. You can’t internalize without something snapping eventually.

        • Princess Duvet

          @ofloveandotherdemons,

          “You can’t internalize without something snapping eventually.

          I totally believe this too..TD Jakes had the movie which basically explored the themes of “waiting to exhale” for men. Men exhale. But here;s the thing, they don’t want OTHER women to see it, hell they don’t even want to let their boys know that they DO blow off steam. Instead they pretend like they dont really have any emotional outlets to save testosterone face..and still look like a man.

          But thats the house they built. That’s not a woman’s fault. At the next exhale session they need to talk about why talking is so closed and stigmitized.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            @Princess Duvet,

            But thats the house they built. That’s not a woman’s fault. At the next exhale session they need to talk about why talking is so closed and stigmatized.

            who said that it was the woman’s fault?

          • ofloveandotherdemons

            @Princess Duvet,
            ‘…face..and still look like a man.”

            I think all this socially constructed definitions of a ‘man’ and all that it entails needs to be revised and quick. I don’t think it’s doing men and their health, or society at large any favors. Gender roles are basically all social constructions anyway. Boooo, another of my pet peeves.
            If it wasn’t considered un-manly to cry/vent/actually express whatever emotions you had to keep your sanity maybe we’d have less dudes dropping dead at 40 or getting strokes and heart attacks.

          • http://ambitionzazawriter.izfree.com/wordpress/ MDUBB

            @Princess Duvet,
            That’s crazy cause I’m not like that at all.
            I have a very small number of friends, like 4 at the most that I talk to about all that kind of stuff.
            I’ve cried in front of them, confided in them, asked them for advice,etc.
            If you don’t let it out, you’ll explode and start punching people in the face, ask Mr. Breezy he’ll tell you.

    • http://theyounganddisenchanted.wordpress.com/ puff

      @superwoman,

      I second talking it out with your female friends – that’s what I do for my guy friends. I’ve also started using my male friends for sympathy in the hopes that I’ll gain a better understanding of where I went wrong (and by that I mean why the a$$hole did what he did). So far it’s been mixed results, but I like having the perspective of both men and women on the topic.

    • http://www.missjennamarie.com Jenna Marie Christian

      @superwoman,

      Dang..She cheated, lied, and stole!!!!

      • superwoman

        @Jenna Marie Christian, it was heeeectic, girlie!

  • http://www.myspace.com/chicanextdoor Miss Patterson

    i heart you for mentioning ‘forgetting sarah marshall’. i loved that movie. secondly, you’re right. men should comfort one another after being betrayed. seriously, why can’t you guys be there for one another the way we are? all it requires is ps2, a little pron, cereal and stinky boxers. that’s it. that’s what y’all need after betrayal. straight up maleness. no?

    • http://myspace.com/shatani shatani

      @Miss Patterson,

      if they wash their boxers i would so go to that party! lol

      • Resident GRitS

        @shatani,

        …I’d bring the beer.

        • http://www.myspace.com/chicanextdoor Miss Patterson

          @Resident GRitS, yes we definitely need beer. boys never have any snacks. so, i’ll bring pretzels, hot flaming cheetos, and some chocolate.

          • RedBeanzNRice

            @Miss Patterson,

            OMG, I fully hearted you for the Flaming Hot Cheetos (fav), but now you only get a half-heart for the “sweaty balls” comment, lol. You took me from “YUM” to “BARF” in a matter of 2 seconds, lol.

          • osyeP

            @Miss Patterson, dudes dont like chocolate. the women done turned the pity party into something about them again …. lol jk

            • mssmtaylor

              @osyeP,

              HAHAHA

              We always do!!!

          • overit

            @Miss Patterson, I guess I’ll be playing mom so that when ya’ll are done with your junk food binge and need some real food, I’ll be there.

            • http://www.myspace.com/chicanextdoor Miss Patterson

              @overit, ooh yeah. bring it! i’ll need a massage therapist too from all that video gaming. [miss patterson is faking like she knows something about video gaming]

      • http://www.myspace.com/chicanextdoor Miss Patterson

        @shatani, yeah you’re right. they should wash the boxers. i like the smell of tide waaaay better than sweaty b@lls. i’m nasty for saying that out loud.

        • http://myspace.com/shatani shatani

          @Miss Patterson,

          it had to be said.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      @Miss Patterson,

      all it requires is ps2, a little pron, cereal and stinky boxers

      so you suggest that guys should bond while sitting around in their boxers watching p*rn and eating cereal?

      • V Renee

        @The Champ

        Ummmm that sounds EXTRA gay.

      • http://www.myspace.com/chicanextdoor Miss Patterson

        @The Champ, perhaps you should visit Morehouse on a random Saturday morning. maybe not p*rn, but definitely ps2, boxers and cereal. definitely.

        • http://insidethemindofadeviant.wordpress.com/ Deviant

          @Miss Patterson,
          I think there is some kind of law against sittin around with your boys in your draws. You gotta put on pants.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            @Deviant,

            I think there is some kind of law against sittin around with your boys in your draws. You gotta put on pants.

            this law does exist in the manbook. its right underneath the part about “spending as little time as humanly possible naked while in a locker room”

          • http://www.myspace.com/chicanextdoor Miss Patterson

            @Deviant, i don’t know what to tell you cuz my ‘play brothas’ at morehouse did it all the time. they had shirts on, but they were definitely in their boxers.

            • http://kamakula.wordpress.com kamakula

              @Miss Patterson,

              Perhaps you’ve not noticed what the guys here have NOT been saying about said brothas. . .

  • http://myspace.com/shatani shatani

    thats crazy…i was having this conversation a couple weeks ago (well a variant) because a male friend of mine was telling me how this dude lost his ever-lovin mind and was stalking and threatening a female friend of his. i told him that men suffer more from break-ups that women do…and for just those reasons mentioned.

    if the relationship is long term, i think its more devastating for the man. a woman has her girls….for better or worse, they will be there for her to cry and b*tch and plot and laugh and all the many stages we go through when mourning the loss of a relationship. she can go to her girls for comfort, to commiserate or to just listen to her talk about how she feels. who is gonna do that for a man? you think he can go to his boys and cry about it? he has no support because in all likelihood, his woman was his support. and for a lotta dudes, all that bottled up emotion can turn to rage and thats not pretty.

    i think it sucks that the scorned man really has no outlet…i wish i had an answer, but i dont. boys are just not socialized that way ’round these parts.

    • http://www.myspace.com/chicanextdoor Miss Patterson

      @shatani, i think Champers needs a bff or something. i wonder if he and panama talk on the phone under their respective covers and discuss raising their children together and stuff. it goes like this:
      C: sup? maybe panamina and champina can go to cau/spelman/howard and pledge together’
      P: word.life
      C: as long as my baby girl has enough waffles.
      P: you know me, sharing is caring.
      C: that’s what she said. diplomat out.
      i hope they do, that would be so cute. maybe champers and pj are e-twins after all!
      VSB: where boys talk into the wee hours of the morning about their futures, since 1913.

      • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

        @Miss Patterson,

        I need to get my black ass to bed, but I just wannna say that this WHOLLLEEE faux-echange betwixt Humpty and P-Money made my night. LMAO!! Thank you, Pattiecakes! I bid you all good nite

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @Miss Patterson,

        i’m mad at that entire exchange, catch-phrases and all. good sh*t, lol

        seriously though, i do have people i can talk to if sh*t gets heavy, but many men dont. plus, even the ones that do don’t feel comfortable expressing sh*t aloud.

    • YGB

      @shatani,
      “a woman has her girls….for better or worse, they will be there for her to cry and b*tch and plot and laugh and all the many stages we go through when mourning the loss of a relationship. she can go to her girls for comfort, to commiserate or to just listen to her talk about how she feels. who is gonna do that for a man?”

      Aren’t men supposed to be better friends than women?

      • http://myspace.com/shatani shatani

        @YGB,

        certainly not in this area….

      • http://nianaturally.blogspot.com N.I.A. fabuloussince1982….

        @YGB, “Aren’t men supposed to be better friends than women?”

        I was thinking the same thing…. You would think that if they were, a man would be there when his boy really needed him, and not just to play Madden.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @YGB,

        Aren’t men supposed to be better friends than women?

        good question.

      • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

        @YGB,

        No.

        • YGB

          @Luvvie,

          Straight to the point! This made me chuckle!

      • V Renee

        @YGB

        “Aren’t men supposed to be better friends than women?”

        I think when they tried to promote this idea, they just meant men make better friends to women, not to other men.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          @V Renee,

          I think when they tried to promote this idea, they just meant men make better friends to women, not to other men.

          nope

          • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Specialized Sula

            @The Champ,

            I call a contradiction hearing on this one.

  • Princess Duvet

    “what the hell is a scorned man supposed to do?

    ….I can’t even start right now cause Im too tired. But the poster “Rihanna” yesterday made a VERY good point, why are women publically DEMONIZED after an accusation around sexua!l assault, domestic violence or abuse. Rihanna giving Chris “the gift that keeps on giving” is speculation and SR isn’t exactly hard news.

    So if women have their “safe havens” they often come with a leaky roof.

    I can’t quite buy this scorned male bull shat yet.

    • RedBeanzNRice

      @Princess Duvet,
      “what the hell is a scorned man supposed to do?”

      He’s supposed to know his place as a scorned man, and just be one. Bottom line. No fisticuffs, no crying to his homies, no asking his daddy how he kept his mama around for so long, no lurking in her bushes after midnight, trying to see if another dude is taking his place, etc. He’s supposed to just deal with it. Hello? Men are the hunters, and if they lose the intended prey, they keep on hunting until they make a catch. Bottom line. Plain and simple.

      • Princess Duvet

        @RedBeanzNRice,

        “Men are the hunters, and if they lose the intended prey, they keep on hunting until they make a catch. Bottom line. ”

        or they start a movement for men who’d like to create their own insular emotional safe havens. And who want fair and equal treatment under the laws of love.

        They want to have bake sales and cook offs, start a 501c3 organization draft the hemancipation proclamation and cry “aint I a man” from the mountaintops.

        • RedBeanzNRice

          @Princess Duvet,

          “They want to have bake sales and cook offs, start a 501c3 organization draft the hemancipation proclamation and cry “aint I a man” from the mountaintops.”

          …and they shall call it The Metrosexual Movement. Funny stuff, Madam Dustruffle!

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @RedBeanzNRice,

        “He’s supposed to just deal with it”

        lol, and continue to die at 52 because of years spent internalizing sh*t and not getting help, huh?

        • http://www.myspace.com/wudaman19 WuDaMan

          @The Champ,
          Jesus be some high blood pressure pills.

      • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

        @RedBeanzNRice,

        Damn. You gon have some resentful sons when you tell them “Feelings are meant to be kept inside. If you have a wee wee, that is”

        • RedBeanzNRice

          @Luvvie,
          “Damn. You gon have some resentful sons when you tell them “Feelings are meant to be kept inside. If you have a wee wee, that is”

          Only I’ll never know it, cause they’ll keep it inside. ; )

      • ofloveandotherdemons

        @RedBeanzNRice,
        ……. no crying to his homies, no asking his daddy how he kept his mama around for so long, no lurking in her bushes after midnight, trying to see if another dude is taking his place, etc. He’s supposed to just deal with it.’

        Dang child, but they have little hearts that beat and emotions as well as penises. A little harsh no??? If the situation were reversed, I’m sure (not, really sure since I don’t actually know you, but we’ll go with that for the argument) you’d want your girl’s not to bottle all that toxic shit in anyway. Well, if we take off all the stereotypes and social expectations on male behavior off the table, doesn’t it go to reason since female and male are human beings they should both be feeling the same sort of crappy and should be allowed the same outlet options. Let’s let the men cry and vent, no social stigma attatched.

        • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Specialized Sula

          @ofloveandotherdemons,

          In a nutshell and sh*t.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      @Princess Duvet,

      ….I can’t even start right now cause Im too tired. But the poster “Rihanna” yesterday made a VERY good point, why are women publically DEMONIZED after an accusation around sexua!l assault, domestic violence or abuse. Rihanna giving Chris “the gift that keeps on giving” is speculation and SR isn’t exactly hard news.

      two things:

      1. this…

      “why are women publically DEMONIZED after an accusation around sexua!l assault, domestic violence or abuse”

      …is a great topic, and definitely worthy of discussion. thing is, its not today’s topic, and, to counter the inference i made from your comment, just because i chose to highlight another issue doesn’t minimize other issues present.

      2. i know sandrarose is a gossip bl0g, and not factual, which is why i specifically used the term “according to the rumors”.

      • Princess Duvet

        @The Champ,

        “thing is, its not today’s topic,”

        i think my feelings are hurt. lol

      • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

        @The Champ,

        *Chortles*

        • Princess Duvet

          @Luvvie,

          Champers seems like he’s on some type of blog rampage today. aren’t these indiv. threads for people to go off on their own little side tangents.

          cant i have my side tangent?

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            @Princess Duvet,

            tangent deez

            • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

              @The Champ,

              *cackles*

      • overit

        @The Champ, my friend worked for Chris Brown and she came back months ago talking about “Rihanna is NUTS”. That’s all she coudl talk about. In my opinion, I don’t think it was an std, I think it was just a dysfunctional relationship.

        Here is my thing, I know men can be foul, etc. But I have seen some women ASK for some ish. Yes I said it. I’m sorry, but you don’t take advantage of someone because you know they were taught they couldn’t hit you back, so you wanna be all “hit me muhf***a, HIT ME! You a lil B***” I have seen that play out and fortunately, I haven’t seen a dude hit a woman. All I know is that gender roles can only last for so long, eventually, a dude is gonna be like eff what I was taught, I’m teaching her a lesson.

        At the end of the day, mutual respect is key. I just know that men always get the blame when there is a domestic dispute, and sometimes women just aint right.

        Either way, I propose the Sat Down corner be re-named the CB and Rhee Rhee Sat Down Corner. Its the least we could do to pay tribute to their very public display of hot messtasticness.

        • Nikiloveli

          @overit,

          THANK YOU. I just kept reading, hoping that someone would point that out. Sheesh.

          Sometimes, some women deserve to be hit.

          YEAH I SAID IT.

          In fact, once upon a time I remember having an IM convo where we came up with 10 or 11 really good reasons to hit a woman. I now need to update that list to maybe include “knowingly stepping outside of a platonic relatinship and bringing home the creeping nutbugs.”

          I don’t know if that was the case or not, and I’m not saying that he should have hit her. But if it was, I understand.

          • http://blackwomanlost.blogspot.com/2009/02/naturally-alises-blog-poetry-slam-3.html Naturally Alise

            @Nikiloveli,

            Everyone is so off base with this, no woman deserves to be hit, if Rihanna was your sister or homegirl y’all would sing a different tune. Most people who say such things have never been victims or witnesses (which I said upthread too) to the horror that is any kind of domestic violence.

            • osyeP

              @Naturally Alise, I disagree with you. I’ve been a victin of DV, as I wrote downthread. My mom and aunt has been too. I’ve witnessed it, on multiple accounts. Most of the time, the women I saw get hit didnt deserve it, but you mean to tell me that the time my aunt hit my uncle with the car on purpose, she didnt deserve to get dragged out the car? Now, I’m gonna stand up for my aunt regardless of if her actions warrant a beating but let’s call a spade a spade. Sometimes ppl, both women and men, deserve to get punch in their damn mouths. However, I am not a proponent of giving everyone what they deserve. I dont and will never women for the same reason I try not to fight ppl who are smaller than me, I’m afraid I might actually kill a mofo. But to say some ppl dont deserve it, is a crock of sheeit

              • Princess Duvet

                @osyeP,

                im really perturbed that everybody (and sadly and most disturbingly women) got these off the wall exceptions about cars, tow trucks, guns, axes, Cyanide..the objective in these situations are to perserve your life and remove yourself from the situation..not to plot about how you gonna beat chick down..um she’s trying to kill you.

              • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

                @osyeP,

                What did your uncle do to your aunt that made her lose her mind and want to run him down with the car?

            • Nikiloveli

              @Naturally Alise,

              I’m not “most people,” and I stand by what I said.

            • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Specialized Sula

              @Naturally Alise,

              THANK YOU NATURALLY!!

              No wonder ish like this keeps happening! I mean ARE YOU SERIOUS? Asking for ish?

              If she was that “crazy” why couldn’t he break up with her? Was it that hard?

              Stuff like this is why I rarely have those kind of conversations. Women blow my friggin’ mind EVERY DAY with this stupid nonsense.

              Anybody using hands needs to be dealt with BY THE LAW. Male or female.

              “deserving to be hit”? Getthefluckouttaherewiththissh!t!!!

              • Princess Duvet

                @Specialized Sula, i said a special prayer over this “she deserved it” thread.

              • osyeP

                @Specialized Sula, your comments is kind of perpetuating a double standard. When a women doesnt leave a relationship despite her being abused, we talk about the batter wife syndrome. However, you write “If she was that “crazy” why couldn’t he break up with her? Was it that hard?” Maybe he was a battered husband. Maybe the attack on his life pushed him over the edge, i think thats fair to say that if a woman threatens your life, you have every right to beat her down. I think my mom would say the same thing. This is also coming from a woman who tried to beat a random dude with a club b/c he called her a bitch b/c she stole his parking spot. If he would have fault her, could we really be mad?

              • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Specialized Sula

                @Peyso,

                No.

                In the battered wife syndrom, “the wife” is being abused so she is the victim. If he’s being the victim, he should use the same outlets provided for women. Either quit the relationship, seek counseling or call the police.

                I do not have a double standard when it comes to violence. A human being who is being abused should resort to the course of action implemented by the law: call the police, get a restraining order, walk out, seek therapy. Do something that does not involve physically or emotionally abusing the other person.

                And I’m not going to trivialize the very issue of emotional scarring caused by the cycle of violence in BOTH men and women by giving a two-sentence reply. The issue is too big and too complex.

                And I even want to bet that Chris Brown didn’t know he was an “abuser” until it happened… but when it happens the appropriate sentence should be handed. The same should happen to a women who bust someone’s windows or pour hot grits or whatever else the crazy people do. You pay the consequences for your act.

                The reasons why you acted that way may be legitimate, it doesn’t justify the act and shouldn’t remove the sentence. And I repeat this is the case for both MALE AND FEMALE.

                Serial killers have good reasons too…. in their minds!

              • ofloveandotherdemons

                @Specialized Sula,
                Yep, yep….that sounds about right.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            @Nikiloveli,

            “knowingly stepping outside of a platonic relatinship and bringing home the creeping nutbugs.”

            this confuses me, lol

            • nikiloveli

              @The Champ,

              I went off on a tangent in my head, and subsequently used the wrong word. Sue me.

              “Platonic” should read “exclusive.”

          • ofloveandotherdemons

            @Nikiloveli,
            we came up with 10 or 11 really good reasons to hit a woman. I now need to update that list to maybe include “knowingly stepping outside of a platonic relatinship and bringing home the creeping nutbugs.”

            Will all women and men be privy to this 10-11 reasons that we’ll get them punched around like rag dolls?
            What if the person throwing the punches thinks his/her reason for the assault is warranted but doesn’t fall within the 10-11 reasons? Is he/she given some sort of appeal period to justify it, or are we allowed at this point to go ahead and empathize with whoever received the black eye?
            Tis a slippery slope this ’10-11 reasons’ biz? I think, to me anyway, it’s similar to all those clauses that come with empathizing with sexual assault victims. “Yeah, she/he was raped, but they were kinda skankily dressed. Maybe, they instigated the situation in some sort of sub-conscious level.” Slippery, jam covered slope.

  • http://twitter.com/laviyah L

    my ex-husband acted like me leaving him was the end of the world. all these years later, he is still not over it. i won’t get into details about his behavior though…

    • RedBeanzNRice

      @L,
      “i won’t get into details about his behavior though…”

      The ellipses are indicative of the fact that you WANT to go into detail, but you’re waiting to be prompted. So, I’m prompting. Give some details.

      • V Renee

        @RedBeanzNRice

        I’m withcha. Details please.

  • maria

    i think that men do have pple they can talk to you…i mean, if they don’t have their boys to fall back on, then they might have a decent relationshop with their siblings which he could talk things over with…and i co-sign the idea of talking things over with their female friends… i don’t buy the b.s. that their real boys aren’t going to be there for them when/if they need to talk about some real sh$t…i mean if all they have is superficial boys that only care about going to a club or drinkin or whatever then what do they expect when times comes around for some real support? and while it may not always be the most comfortable or reaslistic avenue how being able to talk to an uncle/father/cousin? i’m mean somewhere along the lines men have someone they can lean on…no one is island, sorry not buyin it…

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      @maria,

      i’m mean somewhere along the lines men have someone they can lean on…no one is island, sorry not buyin it…

      you don’t have to buy it. just read some of the comments left by the men today as proof.

      • Nikiloveli

        @The Champ,

        What about y’all daddies and uncles and ish?

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          @Nikiloveli,

          What about y’all daddies and uncles and ish?

          theres a comment below that expresses my sentiments perfectly

          “Yeah, they can go to their female friends that they don’t want to sleep with, but we know those don’t REALLY exist… unless you’re gay in which case… ah never mind. That’s a whole other convo.

          To their father? He’s prally emotionally repressed his daggone self, especially if he’s old school. Same goes for other male relatives.”

          • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

            @The Champ,

            wow!!! i got “quoted”!!!
            I would feel special except that I wasn’t cited ;)

            I keed, I keed…. I joke with you!!

    • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

      @maria,

      “i think that men do have pple they can talk to you…i mean, if they don’t have their boys to fall back on, then they might have a decent relationship with their siblings which he could talk things over with”

      And all men are openly emotional creatures who love to discuss their vulnerabilities *side eye*

  • Leila

    You got a good point. Men don’t have a support system like women. It’s the way men are raised, they’re taught to be tough and man up all the time……Chris Brown must have lost his mind though. Beating on Rihanna on the street and even biting her. There’s no excuse for ever hitting a woman…

    • osyeP

      @Leila, I would never hit a women but I must admit that I would shake the shiznic out of her if she gave me the herp. Would we be this up in arms if C Brown was on the DL and gave Ri Ri the ninjas? Just asking….

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @osyeP,

        Would we be this up in arms if C Brown was on the DL and gave Ri Ri the ninjas? Just asking…

        hmmm. good question

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

        @osyeP,

        I am SOOOOO mad I was gonna say the same thing about the shaking! I decided not to post that, inlight of the topic today. Trying to be sensitive and ish.

        Really though, there may never be an excuse for anybody to hit anybody. But the doesnt mean there aren’t times a mofo dont deserve a good smaking. Lets be real.

      • Mia

        @osyeP, “Would we be this up in arms if C Brown was on the DL and gave Ri Ri the ninjas”

        There’s a double standard. I remember a girl in school who choked a guy for giving her an STD and all the girls sympathized with the girl.

        • WestIndianArchie

          @Mia,

          On some, “What did he do to her so that she’d act that way”

        • ofloveandotherdemons

          @Mia,
          I remember a girl in school who choked a guy for giving her an STD and all the girls sympathized with the girl.

          See I think this is some bulls**t. If a guy can’t choke his chick over this than damn skippy a girl shouldn’t be given the green light to do the same thing. The presence of the gift in a box and/or the fact that men are usually physically stronger than woman doesn’t make it alright to abuse them (and yes, that mess is abuse.)
          I swear all this double standards that come with these stupid gender roles are going to be the death of us. I saw a documentary once on the plight of men that undergo domestic abuse, both in hetero and same sex releationships, and the percentage of those that actually reported it was really, really low. I believe it was around 10-15%. The percentage that received any kind of sympathy was even lower. Sad.

  • Resident GRitS

    …there are too many versions to this story.

    In the first article I saw, Chris and Rih-rih were seen at a party together…then a few hours and a few blocks later, he and “an unidentified woman” were seen arguing on the street where she was “left at the scene”. In another version, Rih-rih canceled her Grammy performance due to the contusions on the sides of her head, allegedly from Chris. Your third version is…scandalous, to say the least…but I feel like the story as a whole (all versions included) doesn’t hold water.

    The sad fact is that regardless of the true story, CB’s career is scarred for life. Rihanna will likely be able to publicize her “victimization” into some magnificent recovery album and everyone will say how brave and strong she is for moving on. Chris definitely gets the short end of the stick.

    I never did like them together…and, that’s not bitter, that’s real. I feel like the two of them were completely mismatched. Chris was the boy-next-door and Rihanna’s persona was overtly s*exual. One could argue that CB’s character was bound to suffer, regardless.

    • Mia

      @Resident GRitS, “Chris was the boy-next-door and Rihanna’s persona was overtly s*exual.”

      It’s all marketing and PR. I met them through work and Rihanna was really sweet, while Chris Brown was very arrogant in person.

      • overit

        @Mia, Chris Brown can be arrogant, being a teenager with the world at your feet can do that. But, I have heard from several people that while Rihanna is sweet, she is bipolar with her emotions and CB. Honestly, I can see it lol.

    • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

      @Resident GRitS,

      “CB’s career is scarred for life”

      I beg to differ. Americans are awfully forgiving. If Michael Jackson could have a career after that first pedophile trial, and R. Kelly still goes platinum after pissing on a teenage girl, then Chris still has a chance at a very lucrative career even after beating a woman.

      It’s a sad truth. Americans overlook a lotta sh*t in the name of celebrity-hood

      • http://www.myspace.com/chicanextdoor Miss Patterson

        @Luvvie, the vein in the back of my head is hurting because of this line: “r. kelly still goes platinum after pissing on a teenage girl” you are so wrong and so right.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

        @Luvvie,

        And thats the truth. We are far too fickle to hold on to hate for a lifetime. Especially if you make a comeback hit with a killer beat.

        • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

          @Dom,

          LOL damn right. I ain’t gon lie. I knew R. Kelly as a pre-vert but I bumped TP2 & Chocolate Factory something serious!

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @Luvvie,

        It’s a sad truth. Americans overlook a lotta sh*t in the name of celebrity-hood

        this is true. america loves a comeback story almost as much as we love to de-pedestal someone.

        • overit

          @The Champ, this is true. america loves a comeback story almost as much as we love to de-pedestal someone.

          that is so true.

    • ofloveandotherdemons

      @Resident GRitS,
      Rihanna will likely be able to publicize her “victimization” into some magnificent recovery album and everyone will say how brave and strong she is for moving on

      I may be misconstruing you statement, but it reads like you don’t actually believe she was a victim in this situation. Chick may or may not have given him the Herp, but she was battered around by dude making her a definite victim. Was C. Brown wronged/victimized too ? I think so. Does it justify him smaking her around? NO.
      It’s a slippery slope when we start placing gradients on what constitutes as appropriate instigators for any kind of assault.

      • osyeP

        @ofloveandotherdemons, you already came to a conclusion? were u there? we dont know what happened so lets just wait and see.

      • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

        @ofloveandotherdemons,

        “Rihanna will likely be able to publicize her “victimization” into some magnificent recovery album and everyone will say how brave and strong she is for moving on”

        Ne-Yo will write all the songs b/c he is perfectly sensitive like that. His ballad game and heartbreak game is sooo proper. I’d probably buy that album. No, I would DEFINITELY buy it

        • V Renee

          @Luvvie

          LMAO!!!! I would buy it too.

        • Leila

          @Luvvie, lol!

    • http://www.myspace.com/chicanextdoor Miss Patterson

      @Resident GRitS, i think CB is pretty effeminate, and for that reason I agree that those two were extremely mismatched.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73903598 Dom

        @Miss Patterson,

        They’re kids! Literally, children, not even legal! You’re supposed to spend your youth dating wildly innapropriate people. Thats how you grow.

        The only thing that always troubled me about their coupledom is the amount of time they spent together. It seemed as though they were attached at the hip. That didnt seem normal or conducive to a healthy relationship.

        • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

          @Dom,

          Umm… they are legal. CeeBee is 19 now (remember his Sweet 18th on MTV) and RiRi is 20.

          And you’re right. Any couple that spends 366/25/8 together bugs me. Get up from under the nutsack and tits. Just come up for air or SUMFIN!

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        @Miss Patterson,

        i think CB is pretty effeminate, and for that reason I agree that those two were extremely mismatched.

        i always felt this way too. although they’re both around the same age, they never seemed like one of those couplings that “matched”. who knows, though?
        does that even matter? why am i even asking? if a black blogger makes a bad analogy in the woods, is he still the champ?

        • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

          @The Champ,

          “if a black blogger makes a bad analogy in the woods, is he still the champ?”

          no.

    • SouthernGirl

      @Resident GRitS,

      i agree that there are too many versions and too many ‘sources’ going on at this point. i just think it’s a sad situation that we don’t know the full extent of yet. at one point yesterday it was being said that he may have had bruises too and that rihanna has a temper and blah blah blah. who really knows?

      i just think it’s unfortunate that this occurred. chris has a history with abuse and kids that grow up in situations like that often turn into abusers themselves if they don’t get the help that they need. i don’t condone anybody hitting anybody but i think they both need some help. because if you’ve got two people who don’t know when to back off things are going to explode.

      but what is a scorned man to do? i happen to have guy friends who do have those support systems so i don’t see much of the ‘i don’t have anyone to talk to sad man syndrome.’ but these are usually friends (including me) that they have known for years–some since under roos, others in the early years like elementary/junior high.

      so i think it just depends on the people in your circle. even amongst women, you know which girlfriend you can go to depending on what you need emotionally. some are better for laughs, some are better for tears, one is gonna talk you outta of ______ while the other one will be like, girl, let’s go! i think it’s the same for guys.

  • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

    First, iQuit you for mentioning the Hat’s Aretha and her mammoth mammaries in this time. And no I will not “Quit DEEZ!” so hush yo face.

    b. IF it is true (although it is purely rumor at this point) that RiRi did give CBreezie herpeshia (c) LibraSong, then a swift roundhouse kick to the face to Rihanna would be understandable.

    And kick me out of the YaYa Sisterhoo if yall want but IF (I say IF) its the case, then I may rock a “Free Chris” tshirt.

    • http://myspace.com/shatani shatani

      @Luvvie,

      im mad you designin’ t-shirts already. lol

      • Princess Duvet

        @shatani,

        Luvster got one foot on a banana peeling and the other right out the YAYA sisterhood..btw i don’t know wtf a sisterhoo is ..lol.

        • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

          @Princess Duvet,

          LOL You know I meant “sisterhood” :p

          • Princess Duvet

            @Luvvie, i can’t be sure since you all revolving door about this movement LOL..

            • http://myspace.com/shatani shatani

              @Princess Duvet,

              she’s a woman that likes to exercise her options!

            • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

              @Princess Duvet,

              I love my womyn sisters and all that good stuff. The movement is only as strong as its weakest link, and if that link is scorching with a VeeDee, then I ain’t holding on to it.

    • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

      Oh and *insert appropriate “The More You Know” PSA about the perils of Domestic Violence here* with Tracey Gold delivering the message before filming her next Lifetime film about a mentally disabled child who grows up to have Bulimia and Anorexia and then kidnaps a family’s newborn from the hospital before being raped and then framed for a murder.

      • Nikiloveli

        @Luvvie,

        I would so watch that movie.

    • http://blackwomanlost.blogspot.com Naturally Alise

      @Luvvie,

      You know I love you and your parched follicles, but it ain’t no excuse for a man hitting a woman or vice versa, if the herpes is the reason then shame on the both of their overexposed selves…

      • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

        @Naturally Alise,

        I’m sorry but ish like Herpes ain’t just an issue of betrayal but is a public health issue. And dooming someone to a life of warts is just… yeah naw. If they got violent for that moment, methinks them snapping off is justifiable.

        Promiscuous Joe: “Umm… so I may have given you AIDS”
        Me: *Shoots Joe in spleen* “Wait, whatchu say to me??”
        Joe: “I meant herpes”
        Me: *Roundhouse kick to esophagus*

        Yeah… that would be one jail sentence that I will be fine with serving.

        • http://blackwomanlost.blogspot.com/2009/02/naturally-alises-blog-poetry-slam-3.html Naturally Alise

          @Luvvie,

          Well she been walking around with the “cold sore” for a hot minute, so why the delayed reaction?

          • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

            @Naturally Alise,

            Having a cold sore does not mean that one has genital Herpes. Unless she gave him head while her cold sore was active, then that ain’t how he got herpes (if he indeed has it and if it was indeed the cause of the spat).

            • Datalore

              @Luvvie,

              Thank you for this!!! I have been trying to explain this to people repeatedly.

              I truly believe that cold sore is the source of this particular rumor…

              • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

                @Datalore,

                Folks be like “eeewwww she has a cold sore! She must have the herp” Newsflash… the Herpes Simplex Virus 1 (the cause for cold sore) is not uncommon and just cause RiRi is light skinded, her cold sore looked like it was glowing and throbbing on her face (like the boy w/ the boil on Fairly Oddparents). Rihanna’s cold sore looked like it needed to be rocking a hat cocked perfectly to the left.

                Po’ thang.

              • http://www.museacdonline.com pgh muse

                @Datalore and Luvvie,
                Newsflash… the Herpes Simplex Virus 1 (the cause for cold sore) is not uncommon and just cause RiRi is light skinded

                I don’t even think that Herpes Simplex 1 (and i could be wrong i may have to fact check) causes genital Herpes… they are two different viruses and simplex 1 – the version that causes the common cold sore or fever blister is not sexually transmitted, and is very contagious, but is not a cause of genital herpes.

              • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

                @pgh muse

                actually under a microscope, HSV- 1 and 2 are virtually identical, sharing approximately 50% of their DNA. HSV1 can easily mutate to become HSV2 and you can get HSV1 in your genital area from unprotected oral sex, just as you can get HSV2 in your oral area.

                Long story short… there is no difference except the social stigma and perhaps severity of manifestation of disease.

              • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

                @BBMo,

                MESSAGE!

          • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Specialized Sula

            @Naturally Alise,

            Girl, you are reading my freaking mind.

            I am so appalled by those comments I think I’ve lost my mind.

            I mean, really? A 19 year old beating a woman because she “allegedly” gave him herpes is excusable?

            Wow, just wow.

      • YGB

        @Naturally Alise,

        I feel that both of them are at fault here (if indeed the story’s true).
        If she had the herp before she got with Chris and knowingly gave it to him, then I can understand his reaction. On the other hand if u wanna partake in grown-up activities, then you must do so in a grown-up manner i.e. use protection!!!

        • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

          @YGB,

          Unfortunately standard methods of protection i.e Condoms, do not effectively protect against herpes simplex 2. Herpes can be passed through skin to skin contact and lesions do not necessarily need to be present for a person to be shedding the virus.

          **getting of STI Public Health Practitioner Soap Box**

          • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

            @blackberry molasses,

            WORD. Along w/ HPV. Ish is scary enuff to make celibacy seem reasonable sometimes

          • YGB

            @blackberry molasses,
            So the only way a person can be safe is if they refrain from any human contact altogether?

            • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Specialized Sula

              @YGB,

              Pretty much. :)

            • http://lostwomanchild.blogspot.com/ blackberry molasses

              @YGB,

              that or KNOW YOUR PARTNER, OPENLY DISCUSS YOUR SEXUAL PASTAND CHECK MEDICAL HISTORIES.

              It makes me sad that people are willing to throw their genitals on the craps table without knowing their odds. Seasoned gamblers at least know their odds of crapping out.

              Its not the sexiest or most comfortable thing in the world, but its a matter of LIFE and DEATH these days.

              I’ve seen too many sad stories in my clinic to not be dang near puritanical in this respect.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      @Luvvie,

      First, iQuit you for mentioning the Hat’s Aretha and her mammoth mammaries in this time. And no I will not “Quit DEEZ!” so hush yo face.

      b. IF it is true (although it is purely rumor at this point) that RiRi did give CBreezie herpeshia (c) LibraSong, then a swift roundhouse kick to the face to Rihanna would be understandable.

      And kick me out of the YaYa Sisterhoo if yall want but IF (I say IF) its the case, then I may rock a “Free Chris” tshirt.

      i’m mad that i completely understood every word of this. i don’t know if that means i’m getting smarter or dumber

      • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

        @The Champ,

        The answer is smarter, ye old egg-domed one.

    • SouthernGirl

      @Luvvie,

      lol@ a free chris t-shirt.

      i think this might be cause for a chris rock type of shaking…but no hitting. ;-)

    • Nikiloveli

      @Luvvie,

      I’ll buy one. In fact…I’m off to Photoshop some ish right now, just in case.

  • http://www.threewaystotakeit.com Slim Jackson

    “What is a scorned man to do?” is a great question. As soon as I heard he thumped her, I figured she cheated or did something that involved her and another man. That’s the only thing that will set off any “normal” dude to spazz on a chick like that. No. It doesn’t make it right that he hit her and for some reason bit her. Nonetheless, I see why he ODed. I’ve always said that men are extra-territorial and aggressive when it comes to their woman’s sexual goods. This is just another example of that. He’s just a dude like any of us here…prolly even less mature.

    • Princess Duvet

      @Slim Jackson,

      “As soon as I heard he thumped her, I figured she cheated or did something that involved her and another man. That’s the only thing that will set off any “normal” dude to spazz on a chick like that”

      REALLY??? a woman’s indiscretion(s) is the ONLY reason??? So if he hits her that still makes him “normal”? Praytell what makes an abuser “abnormal” ? the frequency of activity? what exactly?

      • http://www.threewaystotakeit.com Slim Jackson

        @Princess Duvet,

        If he hit her, that means he lost his cool and ODed…the same way a woman will go throw hot grits on a man or try to cut his thang off. This post and my comment here having nothing to do with repeated domestic abuse. I’m just sayin’ everybody has their breaking point. And as I said in my last comment, him snappin’ cuz of her indiscretions doesn’t make it right. If we assume the rumors of the herp-dog transfer are true, then imagine how you’d feel and react if you found out you got one of the gifts that keeps on giving from your partner. I’m sure you wouldn’t be sittin’ and havin’ a peaceful conversation over tea and crumpets.

        And even if you acted crazy, I’m sure it’d be excused or mitigated because of the circumstances/situation. You’d still be considered “normal”. Hmm, I smell Double Standard. *Tip toes away to avoid trouble**

        • Princess Duvet

          @Slim Jackson,

          i dunno…men particularly always preface this stuff with “im not saying its right”..yeah but if you was saying it WAS WRONG, you would just SAY THAT.

          And why are we even going to the lowest common demoninator..SR and the likes HAVE BEEN WRONG.

          So what if Rih Rih was the “real” and “actual” victim…no herp..no nothing..would we then be looking for “well she just popped off at the mouth too much”..

          i just feel like most people NEED for Rihanna to have DONE SOMETHING. I don’t even think herp is an excuse, but what if she came back clean.

          Then what? What else would we (read you) be looking for?

          • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

            @Princess Duvet,

            If there was no herp, then no, I wouldnt think it was AT ALL justified. I have seen domestic violence first hand and it is not a pretty sight. Nor does anyone “ask for it”, man or woman.

            • Princess Duvet

              @Luvvie, just checking..that also includes she ACTUALLY was not sleeping with the “rapper who is also married”…

              but im curious what Slim thinks too…what if she didn’t cheap or had the herp. then what?

              • http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com Luvvie

                @Princess Duvet,

                If she doesn’t have the herp, and he whooped her like that, then that $50,000 bail wasnt enuff and he needs to get Adebisi’d in jail. Truly. Is that mean? Probably. Whatever

              • http://www.threewaystotakeit.com Slim Jackson

                @Princess Duvet,

                If she didn’t cheat and/or give him the Bumpy Johnson, then she better have said something about a deceased love one of his. Anything outside of that, and he’s got problems and needs some serious counseling. I’m trying to give him some type of benefit of the doubt, but I’m reasonable/logical and can admit when someone is just off their rocker or has serious issues.

              • Princess Duvet

                @Princess Duvet,

                “I’m trying to give him some type of benefit of the doubt”

                Is that apart of man law that makes yall, first go to rumors of Herpes, then to her possibly talm bout his deceased twin flame, AND THEN AND ONLY THEN…he could be off his rocker and or have serious issues?

              • osyeP

                @Princess Duvet, It aint man logic but just like most of the women have jumped down the throat of C Brown before any real facts have come out or a trial or any of the things that often prove a person guilt or innocence have occured, we can give the man the benefit of the doubt

            • Nikiloveli

              @Luvvie,

              Not so.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

            @Princess Duvet,

            i just feel like most people NEED for Rihanna to have DONE SOMETHING. I don’t even think herp is an excuse, but what if she came back clean.

            eh. i wouldnt say most. plus, this is besides the point. although its true that there are people looking to scapegoat her by any means necessary, i think what slim is getting at is, in the HYPOTHETICAL case that she did wrong him first, the reaction isn’t surprising. i dont think he referring to riri and kisskiss specifically as much as any random couple in this scenario

            • Princess Duvet

              @The Champ,

              plus, this is besides the point.

              this would completely fall in line with me being totally of topic today. LOL

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

                @Princess Duvet,

                i appreciate the tangents.

                really, i do.

                really

            • http://www.threewaystotakeit.com Slim Jackson

              @The Champ,

              Thank you sir. You’ve cleared this one up.lol.

              • Princess Duvet

                @Slim Jackson,

                oh hush it.

        • Nikiloveli

          @Slim Jackson,

          **Tip toes away to avoid trouble**

          Don’t throw a rock, then hide your hand. Especially when you’re right.

        • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Specialized Sula

          @Slim Jackson,

          A woman who throws hot grits on another human being is nuts, so is a man who hit a woman because of her own ‘sexual goods’.

          I mean, are people real with this bullshat? I can’t believe what I’m reading.

          • http://www.threewaystotakeit.com Slim Jackson

            @Specialized Sula,

            I don’t think any of this is that outlandish. Regular people do “crazy” things all the time. Why you think people beat court cases with the “temporary insanity” defense?

            Law and Order Jackson

            • http://freetherapyorelse.blogspot.com Specialized Sula

              @Slim Jackson,

              Who are those regular people we are talking about? I personally don’t know any.