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Michelle Obama’s Embrace Of Feckless War Criminal George Bush Is The Blackest Thing That Ever Happened Last Week

There’s no escaping capital letter Whiteness. Not here, at least.

This is an immutable fact about America that Black Americans instinctively and grudgingly process and attempt to navigate through. Of course, there are spaces large and small we can create (and have created) that offer a suitable — if temporary — respite from it. Spaces where we’re free. Where Blackness marinates and luxuriates. Where Blackness sticks without being sticky. Where Blackness fulfills and replenishes. Where Blackness is bulwark, barrier, and buffer. Where being Black is easy. (Well, easier.)

Sometimes it’s found in the space between the moment two Black strangers acknowledge each other while passing on the sidewalk; a subtle and sharp and necessary recognition that protects and connects and shields us ever so slightly from the street. Sometimes it’s found at a game night, where friends group together to laugh, flirt, drink whiskey, play Mafia and Spades and Taboo, and allow themselves to (finally) exhale, which provides their lungs more space to inhale, to take full and deep pulls from the Blackness passed around and permeating the room. Sometime it’s a knowing glance with a Black co-worker during a staff meeting and the subsequent car ride home with that same co-worker where the genesis of that glance is deconstructed. Sometimes it’s a kitchen your aunties shush you out of when you attempt to peek in on the greens. And they send you back to the equally Black living room where the rest of your Black-ass family immerses themselves in each other’s beautiful mess. Sometimes it’s an afternoon block party; one of those afternoon block parties that stretch for three and a half blocks and 12 and a half hours. And, if lucky, sometimes it’s just your block all the time. Because that’s just how your block is. 

But it’s a tenuous freedom. One that exists the same way a crash of rhinos is free in a zoo. And the same way Hawaii is free from the Pacific Ocean. And no single image better encapsulates that dynamic than the photo of First Lady Michelle Obama embracing former president George Bush during last weekend’s opening of the National Museum of African American History and Culture.

Bush’s appearance at Saturday’s museum opening — which, considering who all was there, was one of the greatest collections of Black Americans in one space and at one time ever — seemed at best “peculiar” and at worse “why the fuck is this fucking dude fucking there?” Until you realize that the same president who led us into a sham war and allowed one of his own cities to drown in the Mississippi authorized the legalization to build the space he shouldn’t have been welcome in. A sprawling and spanning structure where every square centimeter is dedicated to honoring and reflecting the breadth of the Black American experience wouldn’t exist today without one of the Whitest men to ever WhiteMan signing off on it.

Like many capital letter White People, George Bush also seems to exist in a perpetual state of desired forgiveness for crimes he’ll never actually admit to. It’s a feeling that seems to especially emanate from him whenever he’s around Michelle Obama. Who, whenever they’re pictured together in public, humors and corrals him the same way she would a friend who’s had two too many chardonnays. Or, perhaps, a six-year-old nephew who took two too many snicker-doodles from the cookie jar and wants to be saved from the wrath of his mother (her sister).

It is a cute and sweet picture. A cute and sweet picture that triggers and fucking infuriates. A cute and sweet and triggering and fucking infuriating picture that serves as a stark reminder that the National Museum of African American History and Culture stands and exists in the only place it can. In America.

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • In this sentence “…take full and deep pulls from the Blackness passed around and permeating the room” Blackness is code for THC yes? Right?

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Mix the profound with the profane

    • RewindingtonMaximus

      We know who has black finger tips now.

      • Sigma_Since 93

        That’s not going to stop you from getting on the bus right??? Cuffing season is around the corner……

        • RewindingtonMaximus

          I’m working it on Unc, I’m working on it!

      • Damon right?

        • RewindingtonMaximus

          Look at you dodging stuff already.

  • When I first saw this all i could hear was my mom saying

    “Bless his lil pea picking heart” *deep sigh*

    That aside, they seem to have a genuine associationship. At least thats how its portrayed.

  • Stanley

    You just summed up all of the emotions I had about that photo in this post. You sir, are a hero. Also, F**** Bush

    • Junegirl627

      Exactly Stan. F**** Bush. Lets not forget that this is the same man that was signing off on, and executing black man so fast it felt like they were being churned off a conveyor belt back when he was governor of TX before he officially took office because the next in line as governor was going to be anti-death penalty

  • TJ

    I’m convinced that Michelle Obama is the only person that can keep George Bush in order and out of shenanigans. Like that one teacher that gives you that stare, and you pipe TF down. Lol.

    They can invite him to NMAAHC events, but she’s still not invited to the cookout.

  • raul

    Or maybe they’re buddies now that they’re both full of the only color that really matters…green.

  • America. The best thing George Bush did as President. Happened to be the best thing that happened to my mother. PEPFAR.
    Such a strange place to live. So much strange fruit.

    • PinkRose

      One of my projects is examining clinical outcomes in HIV positive adolescents/young people under 24, yeah for PEPFAR!!

      • That’s soooo Dope!!! Get it Pinks!!!!

    • MsSula

      My mother worked with PEPFAR for the last 8 years of her career and the programs she ran with their help still have lots of impact. The main program was to help children rendered orphans or vulnerable by HIV (those who had lost parents or were infected from birth themselves). Powerful stuff.

      • Gurrlllllllll!!!!! My MOMMA too!!!! When I’ve visited some of the organizations she worked with….
        When you have played with the orphans……

        Powerful stuff!!!

      • I don’t know if my comment disappeared. Or if I partied a little too hard at the Museum. LOL.

        But I thought I wrote. That my mother did the same thing as well!!!! It is sooooo cool to have that in common. It was amazing to see the organizations that were working with the orphans and many of those in Hospice.

        I blame Obama for the closing of Tapologo. (sort of)

        Powerful stuff!!!

      • I swear my comments keep disappearing :(

        • L8Comer

          I see them. Maybe you partied too hard?

  • Nik White

    I’m glad that all of that talent, magic, beauty and power was able to leave that wonderful event safely.

  • miss t-lee

    Dubya always looks like he needed to be corralled. Like a 4 year old on unlimited sugar.

    • Sigma_Since 93

      Black women have always needed to rein him in. First Condi and now the FLOTUS. Do you think he frequents those spots I hear about and has some sista put him in line for being a bad boy??

      • L8Comer

        I just had a flash back to that white politician in The Godfather who they found in bed with a dead black prostitute. After he was talking all that shyt too. He was just like George

        • Cheech

          I don’t remember her being black. But yeah.

          • L8Comer

            Did I make that up? Huh. Interesting.

            • Cheech

              Actually, I’m not sure I remember seeing her. Maybe she was like Hermione in the book — unspecified, assume/project what you want.

              BTW I tried the Pumking. It’s — different. Not cloying and obnoxious like your average pumpkin spice item. But still — damn, that’s sweet. Not my cup of beer.

              You want the other 3?

              • L8Comer

                Lolol, well I’m glad you tried it all the same.

                And I sure do!!

              • L8Comer

                I usually don’t like sweet either, but I make an exception for some of the pumpkin ones. I like schlafly too. But u won’t. Still I didn’t think it was all that sweet. U like hoppy beers, don’t you?

                • Cheech

                  I like my beer to taste like I woke up face down in the pine straw at Augusta.

                  • L8Comer

                    Lolol is that California hops? Super piney, kinda tastes like dank week. I prefer malty beer so we won’t like the same thing. I like some hoppy beers in the summer tho

        • RW

          Interesting because there was a black woman that accused George of rape. She was also found dead….with a bullet in her head.

      • cakes_and_pies

        Makes me wonder if he had a Black nanny/housekeeper like in the movie “The Help.”

        • Prolly.

        • Sigma_Since 93

          Who was his Dom like in Fifty Shades of Grey

        • miss t-lee

          See. We’re thinking alike.
          My late grandmother kept house for a lot of wealthy white families, and you’d be surprised how many of those children would still came by the house just to sit on the porch and chop it up with my grandmother.
          We’d stop by and I’d be like, “who these white folks in the living room?”

          • Junegirl627

            When the Kennedy’s nanny (a black woman) retired they built her a house on the property to live out her days till she died.

            • miss t-lee

              Wow. Didn’t know that.

      • miss t-lee

        Um…IDK?
        I just figured it’s his age. Plus growing up I’m sure he had a Black nanny.

        • Mochasister

          White people are so strange. We’re inferior to them, but they hired us to to take charge of their most precious cargo, their children.

          • miss t-lee

            This truth!

      • NonyaB

        Probably a case of had a nanny and or first crush that was Black.

      • That isn’t W’s flow. Trust me on this one…

        • Brass Tacks

          Where would one go to research this?

          • I can put you in touch with some primary sources. They tend to hate the people who seek out Black women specifically, but like the cash flow and the dress up. They also tend to be low key militant.

      • Brass Tacks

        Is it shameful that I would want to visit said establishment?

      • ThatChickCool

        Daddy Bush had Judy Smith and Dubya had Condi. A message passed down to keep a Black woman close/in office, not for diversity, but to keep your s * it together.

    • L8Comer

      Lol right? Between this and his overly happy self carrying on that event where Michelle had to grab his arm the way your mom / auntie did when you needed to chill in public.. they’re rlshp is too funny.

      • Junegirl627

        you mean the dallas police funeral? his messy @ss

        • L8Comer

          Yep that was it! She had to hold his hands… like this is not the appropriate time and place. She looks like she talks to him like he’s a child. https://img.rt.com/files/2016.07/original/5785e9fec46188ae4a8b457f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b495517516bf3bdbe8cb6b7da32f5c0debe754929aff7e772e4aae0c678d52b8.jpg

          • …and Barack is like..”aaaah, she gotcha!”

            • L8Comer
              • Sigma_Since 93

                He’s doubling down!!! He’s truly living the ask for forgiveness vs. asking for permission life!

                • L8Comer

                  ? gross

              • Guest

                Lol! This is pathetic. God getting old is horrible. Laura is embarassed.

                • L8Comer

                  I don’t think this is about getting. My mom is the same age as him and she’s quite together, clever, elegant, and all around impressive. George is just weird

                  • Guest

                    You might be right. He could be just weird. It wouldn’t be a stretch lol.

                    • L8Comer

                      Lol

                  • Mochasister

                    And high. Don’t forget high.

              • Mochasister

                Barack is looking like, “You got one mo’ time, ole man. Pop off. ONE. MO. DAMN. TIME…..”

                • L8Comer

                  ???

          • Sigma_Since 93

            That look on W wife’s face is like look how Mallorie looks at Kerry W in Scandal.

            • I never even noticed her expression until now.

            • L8Comer

              Like how do you do that? He doesn’t listen to me like that

              • Sigma_Since 93

                or you supposed to keep your fetishes in the closet George, why don’t you look at me like that George, or no George they don’t swing so stop dropping hints.

                • L8Comer

                  ???? allodat huh? Smh lol

            • ak1991200

              I still think the first 2 seasons of Scandal, when Judy Smith was still consulting, are low key about GW and Condi.

          • NonyaB

            Peep Laura going “How does she do it? He always obeys her more than me!”

            • RewindingtonMaximus

              That’s what happens when you just use Jergens instead of cocoa butter

              • NonyaB

                LMAO!

              • Quirlygirly

                HA!! *throws my Jergens out

                • Nik White

                  Keep it for your hands-kant be wasting good lotion Q.

            • L8Comer

              That’s what I was thinking lol, but Sig had a whole different (and interesting) take on Laura’s expression lol. Scrolll for shenanigans

              • NonyaB

                Ermigawd, just peeped it!

                • L8Comer

                  Lolol

        • Mochasister

          His high as a kite @$$.

      • miss t-lee

        Yup. She had his hand in the grandma lock like, “if you don’t sit your narrow behind down.”

    • Mochasister

      You say sugar. I say cocaine.

      • miss t-lee

        LMAO

  • Funny, he looks like he just whispered “mommy.”

    • Val

      But he’s thinking Mammy.

      • Pay Val her money, and leave. The interwebs are closed today.

      • Jacqueline

        Michelle Obama is no ones Mammy, Val. Period and end of story. LOL

        • Val

          When did I say she was? I said that’s what he’s thinking.

          • Jacqueline

            Nope, what you are seeing is two people who have formed a bond. We have to be very careful in projecting something onto people. I never fell into the belief that George W. Bush hates Black people. He is a conservative from a certain time and period and those usually are two different things..

            If he hated Black people he would be supporting Donald Trump and he is not.

            • Val

              And you say I’m projecting. Lol

              • Jacqueline

                No, I am just dealing in facts. They mentioned why he was not supporting Trump and Trumps bigotry and racism was a factor. Not projecting. It came from the man’s mouth.

        • L8Comer

          Val knows that. The point is, maybe Bush doesn’t.

      • Mochasister

        And I think that’s what I find disgusting about it.

  • Val

    Lol The Obamas know they have Black folks in their pocket. A few days ago President Obama told Black folks if we didn’t vote for Hillary he was going to be personally offended. A few days latter Michelle takes this photo with someone that most of Black America remembers as someone who abandoned us in New Orleans after Katrina. Yet she had no thought of how we may be offended by this photo.

    Can you imagine Michelle Obama taking a photo with someone who Jewish folks considered an enemy? With someone who had done great harm to Jewish folks?

    It would never happen! Never!

    Eight years of us cheering them and never criticizing them has led them to believe they can do or say anything to us and get away with it.

    And, the real scary thing is, they can do or say anything to us and get away with it. This photo is proof.

    • PinkRose

      You. Done. Went. Too. FAR!!

      Name ONE President/FLOTUS that has done more for Black folks than the current one??

      Uh huh, now proceed to sat your a$$ down in the corner somewhere. ?

      • Val

        Nah, you name what he’s done for us.

        • PinkRose

          You first since you brought it up.

          • Val

            You can’t because he hasn’t done ish for us. All he does is tell us what to do and what not to do.

            And, you do realize you’re making my point for me, right?

            • PinkRose

              You really think I’d have gone there if I couldn’t go there? And by not answering your own complaint first, you’re making my point that NO other president has done more for Black folks.

        • Leggy

          Obamacare for one. In Louisiana, when the democrats got elected, a record number of black folks signed up for Obama care.
          Also, I really want to know what exactly you people thought Obama was going to do for black people. I’m actually quite intrigued when people say this. Also, what has he done for white people?
          Obama is the president of America not the African American president. You honestly sound like trump and his people.

          • Val

            Lol Okay.

          • No Google

            “Also, I really want to know what exactly you people thought Obama was going to do for black people. I’m actually quite intrigued when people say this. Also, what has he done for white people?
            Obama is the president of America not the African American president.”

            lol Keep telling yourselves this.

            • Leggy

              Well answer the question. What should he have done? Answer the damn question. I need one of your people to please enlighten me!

          • DM.

            “Obama is the president of America not the African American president” is just too predictable it almost feels like parody. Lol.

    • I don’t know if Michelle Obama took the photo thinking about “that most of Black America remembers as someone who abandoned us in New Orleans after Katrina”.

      I don’t see anything wrong with her taking a photo with the man.

      Maybe she took the photo thinking about how he is viewed internationally. Particularly in Africa. Maybe she was thinking about the praise her husband has had to give him in Africa. The praise he has received in Africa. Her visits to Africa where she has had to witness his legacy there. And she takes a lot of pictures.

      • Negro Libre

        Ehh, I don’t know about that.

        Politicians and even their families are well aware that nowadays political operatives are constantly using oppositional research to find something that can be used against their opposition in political battles, whether it’s today or later in their political careers. Michelle’s been in the White house for over 7 years, she ought to have internalized all the rules when it comes to optics.

        That being said, Presidents usually have to mess with each other and know each other from a non-political/ideological standpoint, because to be fair, who else can relate to them, or understand the entirety of information and secrets that they’ve had to hold? It might be, I know, shocking, that Michelle actually “likes” George…

        https://31.media.tumblr.com/0f20d543991f396477dbb806f6b47740/tumblr_inline_ni01f0E6af1ryw50a.gif

        • Michelle is likely just as conservative as George Bush privately. They likely hold a great many similar views.

          • Negro Libre

            A lot more black people are conservative than we are led to believe. By our standards today, MLK would have been a leader in Respectability Politics.

            • PinkRose

              Start with the Black church, they have been rethugs for decades based solely on their stances on abortion and gay life.

        • I bet she has a tremendous amount of compassion for him.

          • Negro Libre

            Lol, why “compassion” though?

            • Question

              Umm…maybe because she now knows what the job fully entails…how constrained you are by your advisors and the information given to you, how no matter what you do in the eyes of half of America you will ALWAYS be wrong before you even say/do anything…and that at the end of the day, you went into the office thinking you could make some change, and at the end you realize the whole situation is far more complicated than you ever realized before you had that *top* security clearance…?

              • Negro Libre

                I’m not saying that might not be true…

                I’m just wondering how one person can extract that from the photo?

                • Lea Thrace

                  probably the same way some others are extracting that the same photo is an example of the Obamas selling out black people or some such nonsense*. Its a damn photo of people hugging. *sigh*

                  *such nonsense includes my conspiracy theory regarding GWB’s mental state

                  • RewindingtonMaximus

                    Exactly.

                    All of this has always been about projection.

                    Unless we are living with these people, in the meetings with these people, being given priority with these people…WE KNOW NOTHING. Nothing at all.

                    • Question

                      And its kinda silly when we presume to know something when we ALL know we as the public are purposefully and blissfully kept from knowing as much as possible.

                    • RewindingtonMaximus

                      Yet our connection to anything political or even through celebrities hinders on it.

                    • Question

                      Interesting point. I guess that depends on how closely you hold those connections/opinions and what they’re used for (meaning the degree to which you use those positions to indicate something about your life, values or perspectives). If that makes any sense…

                      I guess its one thing to hold opinions and another to assume that opposing opinions are based on a lack of information or unwillingness to consider a perspective. I see this a lot particularly with Black folks who are quick to make it known how disappointed they are in BHO (which is totally within their right and legitimate depending on original expectations). When asked for supporting information, they quickly jump back into “oh, so Black folks can’t criticize BHO because he’s Black?”.

                      I’m always like “wait…what? I asked for some supporting information – I didn’t question your political Blackness…”.

                    • RewindingtonMaximus

                      Well in truth, it’s no different than Black folks commenting on the state of America, and then White America yelling “then go back to Africa”…there’s no purpose because there’s no rebuttal.

                      The average person is only designed to have their opinion, not defend it, despite what many of us think.

                      The facts are all there but legitimately there aren’t a lot of Black people who can honestly say the political decisions Barack has made has personally affected them. They dismiss the notion that the federal government does not automatically create every issue they face, because it always begins with the state. Specifically for Black people, our biggest problems always stem from a position of what we expect vs what we are given, yet folks don’t spend enough time looking for the string connected to what is given to see WHY we are given such.

                  • Cheech
                • They probably whispered to each other…”lets hug and make people talk.”

              • RewindingtonMaximus

                Yup.

            • Lea Thrace

              Likely because first families are an incredibly unique community. No matter which side of the aisle, there are commonalities in experience that they share. In some ways, thats a “family” you get to be a part of that you do not choose.

              • LMNOP

                That’s an interesting perspective, I never thought of it that way, that they have this incredibly rare experience in common.

      • Val

        Okay.

    • Guest

      He signed the bill to have it constructed, so it makes sense for him to be there. And shunning him is unneccessary since I highly doubt their relationship with him is that deep. This is politicking 101. Your ideal is ahead of reality again. Come back to how the real world works.

      • Val

        Lol. Here they come to their defense. There is a difference between shunning and embracing. There is a difference between shunning and paling around with someone.

        • Lea Thrace

          showing up at the same event is paling around?

          Its one thing to go on vacation but because she gives hugs and they shake hands they are paling?

          Val, I know you dont like the Obamas and like the Bushes even less, but this is a stretch even for you.

          • Val

            And what exactly do you think they are doing in that photo? And it isn’t the Obamas that I don;t like, it’s their ignoring Black folks that I don;t like. And when I say ignoring I mean policy wise. I know they will sing to us and tell us what to do.

            • Guest

              “And what exactly do you think they are doing in that photo?”–Policticking.

              “And it isn’t the Obamas that I don;t like, it’s their ignoring Black folks that I don;t like. And when I say ignoring I mean policy wise.”–Which was once reasonable, but now has gone delusional with this post.

              “I know they will sing to us and tell us what to do.”–Which is fair criticism, but still doesn’t excuse going off the deep end over this photo.

              Your ideals are ahead of reality. Just wondering, how old are you, if you don’t mind answering? I’m just curious ’cause this type of photo op however you may feel about the presidet is not uncommon.

        • Guest

          And where have they been palling around him? Or as a Lea Thrace pointed out, does being at the same event and comingling palling around?

          They cannot ignore the fact that he’s a former president of the United States–good or bad, so to shun him publicly would be beyond ridiculous. This is politicking 101 at play here. Your dislike of Obama’s presidency has you going off the deep end now.

          • Val

            Jeeze. Did you read the post? Lol

            • Guest

              I did thoroughly. It’s what your reading into this photo and how they should treat him in public that’s problematic givin that 1–He’s their predessecor and 2–He signed the bill.

        • Guest

          He’s the PREDESSECOR and one from the opposing party, so showing respect and admiration–no matter how you may personally feel, in these PHOTO OPS is a part of the job in politicking 101.

          Come back to how the real world works Val, not your ideal world.

          • You can be respectful without cuddling up to someone comrade.

            • Guest

              So you these photos as cuddling, I see them as patronizing. No grown man who has it wits about him should want to be hug by woman like this, unless she’s his mother. It’s a matter of perception then.

              • RewindingtonMaximus

                I’ve never seen a photo in recent memory where a Democratic First Lady holds hand with the former President who beams up like she’s going to give him a cookie.

                Never in history has anything like that come to light.

                So this is new all the way around.Which is why I see it divides people. It’s hard to get a read, but we all need to stop pretending like we are insiders. We aren’t

                • Question

                  If you want to get technical – everyone in the photo seems to be holding hands (including the people behind them). Its likely one of those moments in a service where they say “hold hands with the person next to you and say God is with you” or something.

                  Context sucks.

                  • RewindingtonMaximus

                    Yea but we have multiple pictures of Michelle doing this with George. This particular picture is only special due to where this happened.

                    So I’m sticking to my point, because there have always been pictures of two presidential families being cordial. I’ve never seen that happen as often as the Obamas have done it though.

                    • Question

                      You’ve also never seen a President or the First Family be more open and familial while in the White House. If you think about it more broadly, the Obamas in many ways have been a total departure from the norm.

                      Had this been the Kennedy’s, you never would’ve seen a picture of Jackie holding hands with ANYONE save for her own children.

                    • RewindingtonMaximus

                      Exactly! The Obamas are among the first of any government structure to embrace the new age of technology & public access, instead of fighting against it like so many others have.

                      It’s not like we are dealing with British royalty, they hold no true political cards. Obama has been under the microscope since 2006 and made it worse the minute he decided to run for President, but not once did he look like he had to shun the world away. He knew he was always being watched and acted accordingly.

                      Even if he is the Harbringer of Death like many people believe him to be, does anyone understand how horrifically difficult it has been to keep up that act for 8 years?

                • Guest

                  “It’s hard to get a read, but we all need to stop pretending like we are insiders. We aren’t”–I agree with you there.

            • Question

              So she’s supposed to feel the same way you (general) feel about George W Bush even though she likely has far more information than you will ever have? Thats interesting.

              So the word is “ignore what you know and ride with us”… ok.

    • Leggy

      This is a bit ridiculous and such a stretch. You don’t see them going on vacation, he’s literally the president who signed the bill to get this museum elected, why should they ignore him? Why should they be petty as first family?
      I know you hate Obama because…I don’t even understand you’re reasoning but even for you this is ridiculous.

      • Val

        Lol Okay.

      • Jacqueline

        Also, Laura Bush is on the board of the museum. They had every right to be there.

    • TeeChantel

      I understand what you’re saying. I was actually more bitter about George Bush being on that stage. I understand he signed the bill to get this museum going, but nah I don’t think he should have been up there. The man is a floosy — and he still left a bad taste in my mouth from Hurricane Katrina and 9/11. I’m bitter. And petty. Let me cook.

      • Val

        I actually don’t care about him being there, that photo though is problematic, for the reasons I mentioned. But I totally agree about the Katrina debacle.

        • RewindingtonMaximus

          Well if you think about, during the whole presidency, the Obamas have notoriously made note to have no enemies. Everyone has thrown hate their way and they refuse to reject them, in fact embracing them instead. John Bohner for example.

          One way to see it is they already knew any retribution on their part would have an avalanche of backlash. But then in turn, we Black people get to once again “have to to be the bigger person” image stuck to us.

          I understand how you feel, but I’m always trying to figure out how any of us, who have never had power, really say we know a better method.

          • mr. steal your costco samples

            we don’t. he’s been a saint in terms of comportment.

            policy’s pretty good, too. I mean, going from the gotdang world exploding to 4% unemployed is nuts. AND he got my mansnem Holder working.

            • RewindingtonMaximus

              That’s how I feel. Like yes Obama has blood on his hands (drone strikes, horrible deportation rates, police shootings, mass shootings, etc) but as someone who’s 32 and has been forced to read the legacy of every President thus far, I have never seen a President outside of your elites (Wilson, both Roosevelts, Kennedy, etc) diminish the horrible load that was handed to them and make improvements for the whole country to capitalize on, despite people being hurt for so long that they couldn’t take advantage of them at first.

              This is sincerely the most complicated time to be a US citizen and I really don’t understand why people just talk like we should have better when history says WE NEVER HAD BETTER.

              • mr. steal your costco samples

                Right. And when they try to make a “black” statement (closest is probably Holder’s “y’all cowards when it comes to talking about race,” which was met with a collective “UP YOURS N1GGA”), it’s unbelieveable how much hit dog hollering there is.

                • RewindingtonMaximus

                  People want what they want without taking into context how that is supposed to happen. We really are all about instant gratification.

                  I keep telling people, try being a manager, supervisor or owning your own business, because your attitude is way different than being a regular employee. There’s just some things you can’t do that you used to be able to before. You can’t go backwards, and most people won’t know why, and it’s not like you can really explain it either. Explaining it would put everyone at risk, which is why they keep their mouths shut.

              • Mika

                In two terms. I feel like he just wasn’t dealt the fairest hand, he came in and there was so much pressure on him as the first black president AND hurry up and fix the mess that president bush created.

                • Leggy

                  And also fix all the black problem that’s been festering for 400 years!! You’re black!! Do it in 8 years!!

                  • Mika

                    Correct. Sometimes I gotta SMH cause I am like, you expect one man to come in and fix everything? Like, do they know what being a boss is like? Have you run a nation before? While I respect everyone’s opinion on what he should have done, or what he could have done, could YOU have done it if presented the opportunity? Nah. I mean, I just don’t get why people expected him to do all of these things in eight short years.

                  • Guest

                    I mainly saw black people expecting that. Which was a sad state into how little we know about how policies and structural changes work. It’s starts from the bottom up. We’ve yet as a collective figured that out.

                • RewindingtonMaximus

                  The same way any other Black person in a high position of power was put into a position to clean up a mess made by someone else while under constant scrutiny that the mess is their fault, they haven’t cleaned it up fast enough, and they are living proof that people like them don’t deserve the position.

                  Hence why he is a miracle worker, because he is the first President to prove Presidents aren’t as great and powerful as we’ve let history make them out to be, seeing as how Congress was always in control of the most important of decisions.

          • Lea Thrace

            Its not been mentioned yet in today’s comments but there is an element of their faith at work here. And I think it is an integral element. Being the bigger person and turning the other cheek is very key!

            • RewindingtonMaximus

              It has been since day one. All of the horrible things said about him, his wife, his children…and WE have been the ones to raise h e l l about it. Not them.

              • Guest

                We don’t have the power to raise h.e.l. l other than blogging. Until we get power outside of blogs, we’ll have to keep turning the other cheek as a people.

                • RewindingtonMaximus

                  We haven’t set the world on fire, but we have been able to keep spotlights and heat on people who never had their actions penalized before. Do they still get away with murder? Yes they do, but can they do it quietly? No.

                  We have to take each baby step into account. We can’t just expect that the world will crumble due to us being angry when the structure was designed & refined over years to keep it in place.

          • Nik White

            None except the dude in the Phillipines.

            • RewindingtonMaximus

              Well that was different…cause that dude is off his rocker

    • NonyaB

      Val, I accept your dislike for the Obamas, esp Honolulu Slim (and indeed, I hope he never encounters you in a dark alley, ’cause you’d be ready to show some of that dislike). But your hate has you interpreting every action as proof of their evil, which waters down any valid reasons you may have.

      E.g. I peeped the post you linked, where H. Slim supposedly said not voting for Hillz = offending him. Not the case. In the actual video cited, he said (paraphrasing) people not going out to activate their vote invalidates the legacy (of social justice, community organizing, etc). In case of Michelle’s picture, we are talking about politics, and appearances count. Bush was invited because he was instrumental to getting the museum approved and built. You feel Michelle should prioritize her petty over decorum on an international stage? Comme des fackons. I don’t expect to be able to read whatever she personally feels about X when in public. Replace the Obamas with your preferred candidate in either situation and my opinion would be the same.

      • Val

        The thing that is most amazing is that when someone criticizes the Obama’s even just a little bit folks seem to lose all of their reading comprehension skills. Lol

        And, please, and this is for you or anyone else, show me where I have ever said I hate the Obamas. I mean, why make stuff up?

        • Leggy

          “A few days ago President Obama told Black folks if we didn’t vote for Hillary he was going to be personally offended. ”

          He never said this. He said never voting PERIOD would hurt his feelings.

          And your history tells us you dislike him. Obama can do no right in your eyes. We tell white people how blacks have literally only had rights in this country for 50 years and that’s why we’re so far behind and systematic oppression that has literally been in the making for 400 years but people like you want Obama to address all that in 8 years.

          • Val

            Nope. I need receipts. Where have I ever said I dislike him? I mean, I know he’s a Jesus like figure to you, but to me he’s just a politician, which means he’s not above criticism. And criticism doesn’t equal hate.

            • Leggy

              I like how you completely skipped the part where you gave false information as facts but also criticism should come with facts. If you think Obama did not do anything for black people then you should have things that you think he should have done and had the power to do that he absolutely didn’t try to do. Otherwise you’re not criticizing, you’re just trump.

              • Val

                Sigh. You’re repeating yourself.

                • Leggy

                  And you can’t back up any of your claims. As usual.

          • Nik White

            I like POTUS (and FLOTUS) but he said something VERY similar at the CBC dinner. I saw it on the Root.

            • Leggy

              Please give me a link.

          • Hugh Akston

            “If I hear anybody saying their vote does not matter, that it doesn’t matter who we elect — read up on your history. It matters. We’ve got to get people to vote,” Obama said. “I will consider it a personal insult — an insult to my legacy — if this community lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election. You want to give me a good sendoff? Go vote.”

            http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/17/politics/obama-black-congressional-caucus/

            i’ll close my mind and think he meant “Go vote for ducky drumpf

            • Leggy

              This is the article you’re referring to? I read it. Why would Obama ever encourage anyone to vote for anyone other than the Democratic Party?
              But my point still stands, he never said it. He said go vote PERIOD. Y’all are projecting and putting words in his mouth at this point.

              • Hugh Akston

                the article just had his words i could have posted the video if i wanted but didn’t feel like finding the right marker

                ” Why would Obama ever encourage anyone to vote for anyone other than the Democratic Party?”

                uhhh

                “He said go vote PERIOD.”

                context matters, but like i said i’ll close my mind and interpret what he says to mean “go vote for drumpf”

                • Leggy

                  I literally just watched tracee Ellis Ross on snapchat ask people to make sure they register to vote. She didn’t mention a candidate but she’s publicly campaigned for Hilary and I’m sure she wants people to vote for Hilary but she didn’t say that because words mean things and she doesn’t want to impede on people’s rights to vote for whomever they please.
                  Yes, context matters but words also mean things. If he didn’t say “not voting for Hilary will be a personal insult to me” don’t attribute that statement to him. Words mean things.

                  • Hugh Akston

                    we are talking about the POTUS not anyone else

                    context matters in that before he made his statement

                    he prefaced two candidates one was good and the other was bad

                    and he said go vote, for whom is the logical follow-up question is for whom?

                    and like i said i’ll close my mind and vote for drumpf

                    let us agree to disagree

                    no hard feelings

                    • Leggy

                      Just don’t attribute a statement he didn’t make to him. You can project all the meanings you want from the statement but don’t attribute a statement he didn’t make to him.

                      Girl, your vote your business. Vote for trump. It’s your right.

                      No hard feelings.

                    • Hugh Akston

                      “Just don’t attribute a statement he didn’t make to him.”

                      where did i ever do that?

                      “Girl, your vote your business. Vote for trump. It’s your right.”

                      Unsure why you’re referring to me as a girl, don’t think you’d accept the reverse,…but meh

                    • Leggy

                      The reverse as in if you called me a girl? Did I misunderstand your gender? I’m sorry if you’re male, I just assumed you were female.

                    • Hugh Akston

                      you assumed? based on what exactly? this is hilarious lol

                      you think a girl has the name Hugh Akston? ok i guess

                    • Leggy

                      I have a friend named hughette, we call her Hugh. I associated you with that. I’ve always thought you were a girl. I don’t know you so you can believe me or not, I really don’t care. I already apologized. Shrug.

                    • Hugh Akston

                      never stated i don’t believe you i simply asked a question

                      i just find it funny because i’ve seen it happened to others, but never thought it would happen to me lmao…kind of like “a boy named Sue i guess lol

                      but you should look up the name haha

        • NonyaB

          Val, are you saying you don’t intensely dislike them?

          I didn’t mean “hate” in all its heaviness (dropped it in there out of habit to avoid repeating the same word several times in writing) but I think your dislike esp. of H. Slim is clearly established in your comments. And if you are saying you don’t dislike him, then you haven’t been communicating that clearly at all.

          • Question

            That and Obama defenders are drinking the Kool-Aid or are afraid to speak out against BHO because he’s Black. That line of reasoning is also frequently dropped…

            • Leggy

              Or we apparently think he’s Jesus.

              • Question

                A lot of it comes down to opening expectations. I think a lot of folks who are annoyed with him thought he was going to be the first President for Black Americans, rather than the first Black American President.

          • Val

            Like I said, reading comprehension seems to be a problem for some when it comes to anyone not worshiping President Obama. Where have I ever said I even dislike him?

            In fact, I’ve mentioned that he’s a very charming guy in the past. This has nothing to do with a personal like or dislike. People need to grow up. I understand you worship him but come on.

            • Lea Thrace

              whoa now Val. You cannot be telling me that you have never claimed to dislike him. Your disdain for him (his policies) has been made plain MANY times in these VSB comments streets. MANY times. You cannot be trying to tell us that we have ALL been misreading your comments all this time.

              • Val

                D@mn, can you read? Where are the receipts? You people want to make up ish and attribute it to me. Eff off with that crap. Show me receipts or shut the h3ll up with the lies.

                • Lea Thrace

                  wow. that kind of response is not something i would have expected from you. But ok. Keep on keeping on.

                  • Val

                    Whatever liar.

                    • Lea Thrace

                      what has gotten into you? no one here attacked you. no one here has called you names. You can and should dislike whomever you want or their policies. There are plenty of people in these comments that feel the same way you do. Its not a big deal that you go around calling people liars.

                      And are we, who are pointing out how your previous comments have been taken, all somehow colluding to slander you in some way? If multiple people have taken your comments as disliking the Pres or his policies and you didnt intend that (which im guessing is your beef here), maybe look at the words you use. We arent out to get you Val. woosah.

                • MsSula

                  Val, I have not been as regular on this site but even I know he is not your favorite person, and that’s fine and ok. But what you seem to say is that anybody not aligned with that thought process is automatically worshipping Obama. We can have different views on the same person and both think critically.

                  And Obama did not say not voting for Hilary is going to offend him personally. He was talking about the process of voting. Plus as a democrat, it is NORMAL for him to put his weight behind the democratic candidate. Simple.

                  • Val

                    Receipts. You folks keep repeating the same thing. I would like for anyone to find any statement I have ever made saying I don’t like him or I hate him or even that he’s not my favorite person.

                    Every single thing I’ve said about him has to do with policy. I have never personally attacked him or FLOTUS. Prove me wrong.

                    This is the problem.

                    • MsSula

                      I am not going to pull out receipts to prove anything. What is this? Kindergarten? I thought I understood something, you say you did not say it. Great! If you are saying that you like the Obamas, I will take your word for it.

                      Comprehension is a delicate thing. I and many others it seems have very bad reading comprehension. Lol.

                      Carry on.

                  • With Clinton pulling a whole 1-3% ahead of Trump in the polls and Barry speaking directly to the CBC you honestly think he wasn’t begging Black people to vote for Clinton? Seriously? Come on now.

                    • MsSula

                      So what if he was? It’s his right. And it’s actually to be expected. He is a president from the Democratic party, he is expected to back the democratic nominee.

              • Word. I have many, many problems with Obama, but I don’t make it personal.

              • Guest

                This is willful ignorance at play.

            • Guest

              You’re being wilfully ignorant here. Your dislike of him has been made clear–there’s nothing wrong with that, especially when some of the things you’ve criticized are valid, but some things were borderline delusional.

              If you consider our rebuttal to the delusional stuff worshipping, that is your perception. But please stop acting like you’ve not made it clear that you have no love for the Obama’s presidency, because that is our perception.

              • Val

                Who are you? Lol

                • Guest

                  The inquisitive one. Lol

            • NonyaB

              a) I don’t worship Obama. Liking him and even occasionally criticizing (*gasp* )him while rejecting invalid criticism do not constitute a paradox. Likewise, questioning the validity of your critique of someone is not blind worship.

              b) You don’t have to say “I dislike him” verbatim to communicate it. My reading and comprehension skills are top notch. I’ve read a lot of your comments around him and that dislike is a central theme.

              c) The fact that so many in a diverse group of people (who certainly don’t agree with me on many other things) agree on your dislike for him shows the discrepancy is at your end: If you claim otherwise, then you’re not communicating clearly enough.

              My original point stands: Dislike and opposition is ok but outlining arbitrary things as support just waters down any valid reasons you may have.

              • Val

                Well, you seem like you worship him to me. On a Jesus level. And although you didn’t come out and say that, it’s what I get from your writing about him.

                • NonyaB

                  Ahahaha! Oh Val, are you mistaking me for someone else? Because you’ve got the wrong nationality, wrong religion. This non-US, agnostic-atheist peep who likes and has also criticized Obama, does not worship him. I stand by the points I made.

                  Anyway, you’re in full scorched earth mode and we’ve clearly exhausted the means for civil conversation. So, carry on and whenever you cool down, I hope you’ll revisit the issue of why and how there is supposedly a big discrepancy in your stance and your communication of it.

                  • Val

                    Nope, we don’t need to revisit anything. And I stand by what I said as well. You seem to worship him. Also, just because I won’t sit back and take it when someone lies about what I’ve said does not equal scorched earth. And if you wanted to be civil then you wouldn’t have lied.

                    • NonyaB

                      Nothing I said was a lie: it is my honest comprehension and there’s no reason to wilfully twist your comments. I’m pretty sure that if we used data tools did a sentiment analysis of all your comments on this topic from this site, we’d find the same but you might still say it’s untrue.

                      By revisit, I didn’t mean for us to re-engage on this but for you to review on your side. Your comments on BO communicate dislike to a diverse group of people but you insist otherwise. Therefore, the onus is on you to investigate what or how you’re communicating that is giving the supposedly wrong impression. If I insist I’m saying “A” yet everybody hears “B”, then I’d definitely want to deconstruct how I’m communicating the wrong thing. Also, I don’t see how balanced admiration+critique can = worship but do you.

                    • Val

                      “Nothing I said was a lie: it is my honest comprehension…”

                      Lol Just because you believe something doesn’t mean it’s not a lie. And it is and you are a liar. Apparently the only way you can make your point is to lie and distort. I get that.

                    • NonyaB

                      Chile, get the entire fxck up outta here with that BS. It’s not my belief; it’s what you’ve communicated. The only liar here is YOU: For some reason, you are unable to accept the fact that your dislike for BO is that apparent in your comments to everyone and that has nothing to do with me. It however, illustrates why quite a few people here refused to engage you on this convo – they’ve obviously seen this reaction from you before and weren’t interested in seeing it again.

                      You’ve made the surprising choice to focus on calling people names vs reviewing your communication and why it’s such a big deal to own your position, as if disliking a politician was such a big deal?! You Val, strongly dislike Barack Obama as expressed in your comments and the internet lives on.

                      Enjoy the last word; I’m fully done now.

      • Kas

        I hate you. Got me googling comme des fackons.

        • NonyaB

          Eez fronsh for “come the fxck on”.

          • Kas

            I know now.

          • brothaskeeper

            Wee wee!

          • Mochasister

            It took me a minute before I caught on. My dumb butt was actually trying to pronounce it.

            • NonyaB

              Well, it is pronounced frenchishly. ;)

      • We’re on the same page here. I disagree pretty strong with most politicians, but at the same time, I recognize that they’re people as well, and we shouldn’t confuse their actions with their character. The game is deeper than you think….

        • Guest

          “The game is deeper than you think….”–I don’t think she realizes this. She has to be young, because most people of a certain learn and understand politicking 101 and this is politicking 101 at it’s finest. She has an idealistic view of the world and how it should operate.

    • Freebird

      After reading this post I looked for your comment…..cause naw. Ain’t ‘
      s hit cute or black about this moment.

    • Question

      This photo is proof of what? Wait…why is Michelle supposed to shun or avoid physical contact with her husband’s predecessor again?

      • Val

        Yeah, someone already said that. So, might want to check the comments so you are repeating stuff. Lol

    • No Google

      “The Obamas know they have Black folks in their pocket.”

      Absolutely. I’m still amazed how after eight years that man continues to talk down to black audiences. He lectures black audiences and he subscribes to respectability politics. He has never dared to do any of that with any other group in this country. Someone on twitter said something that summed up my frustrations with Obama and the black community. They said the love this community has for him is rooted in celebrity worship rather than his actual policies. Who cares that he hasn’t put forth a damn thing that specifically addresses the issues of black folk and he speaks to black audiences like we’re petulant children, my president is black my lambo is blue ? And I be god damn if my rims ain’t too ?

      • Val

        I agree except that it’s more than celebrity worship. For many Black folks it’s the juxtaposition of this country’s racist history and how most never thought they would see a Black President and First Family. That mixed with the fact that the Republicans attacked him from day one for no other reason than he’s Black.

        So, I get why Black folks have defended him but at a certain point folks need to see beyond that and be able to criticize and analyze his Presidency without all of the feelings being involved.

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