Marvin’s Room and the Rise of the Open-Air Emo Negro

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I realize that Drake’s song “Marvin’s Room” came out a few months ago. However, it still manages to get airplay on the radio stations here in Washington, DC, and every time it comes on I’m compelled to listen to it. Mostly because this song flies in the face of pretty much everything you’re taught at Man School. But even worse than that, this song is the exact same sh*t that Bill Cosby got in trouble for some years ago when he called out Black folks. Dyson was all over his back on that one. Where are you now Mr. Michael Eric Dyson when Drake is throwing your manhood under the bus?

Damn wheelchair academics.

What do I mean by this being the equivalent of Bill Cosby’s now famous “pound cake” speech heard ’round the world? Well, Cosby was basically accused of airing dirty laundry. It’s not that what he was saying was wrong, it’s just that he (allegedly) shouldn’t be out there saying it publicly – a point I fervently disagreed with. In fact, he said it at Howard University at a UNCF function if memory serves correct. In truth, dude was talking to the very people he needed to be talking to. Anyway, back to Drake and his 3-minute slip up. No pregnancy.

Every man swears we are real G’s. Well except Drake. I don’t think he ever pretends that he doesn’t cry in the daytime. With a crowd. Never has one successful rapper seemingly been so in touch with his feminine side on wax before. But he crossed the line. Dude put every ninja in America on blast with “Marvin’s Room”. While all of us swear to never have those moments of weakness and not giving into our emo sides, we’ve all done it. A lot of us swear that when Snoop said in ’94 that we don’t love them hoes, we made it our battle cry and man mantra. When the truth is…

…there are a gang of emo, wang-stas running around saying that same sh*t Drake was saying over and over to some woman who moved on because he sucked. Yep, some of us do love them hoes. We pick up the phone and tell some ex that “she can do better” while she wonders why the hell we’re even calling. Not that we’re ready to step up to the plate, we just know that we’d like a chance to still be at bat. Which, is ridiculous. But many cats do give into those moments of weakness that most of us swear we don’t have. Truth is, women are just great gatekeepers and put up with a lot of non-sense. I’ll bet nearly every dude has at least one moment where he simped out hard but the woman he was dealing with didn’t put him blast.

Of course, that could be because she didn’t know dontdatehimgirl.com existed or she doesn’t understand the point of a Twitter, but I’m guessing it’s because deep down, women like that type of attention and validation. Yep, validation. A dude calling you back after some time or just being on some, “girl we had good times…that dude you’re with isn’t good enough for you…” more or less lets her know that she had some last effect on you. And I honestly think that’s what all women want most. Even if the relationship didn’t work out, they just want to know that they mattered. Or will be remembered.

Women tend to only put dudes on blast who do egregious sh*t and even still, I’d bet the dudes would still try to get back in at some point and ole girl would listen. Which is where Drake comes in…again…because I’m sure none of us believe that was his last phone to call her. Biggie makes “Suicidal Thoughts” and offs himself at the end. Drake probably hangs up and makes himself a smoothie, watches Jerry Maguire then writes a rap about struggling with success…again. Emo-rap apparently can win.

And it wins because a vast majority of the guys out there are emo as all hell. Sure they are Big Meech at the club, but they stay in their feelings at home. Check Twitter feeds. You’ve got as many dudes as women playing into gossip and putting their feelings out there and not wanting to be misunderstood. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. You know, perhaps social networking is at fault here. It’s just like with the “babymama” phenomenon. We have this ridiculous view that every kid had a husband-wife, mommy-daddy tandem back in the 50s-70s and somewhere along the way divorce became okay and out of wedlock births weren’t as frowned upon. The truth is, that stuff has been happening since day one, it just didn’t have the Internet to put it on blast. Nobody talked about it because there weren’t a million anonymous people listening to your every word. Nowadays, it happens all the time and men have audiences who eat it up. The same gossipping women are supposed to do is being taken over by men who are more than willing to get into their feelings and share them. Without feeling conflicted about it.

I think that’s been the biggest culprit. The lack of conflict a lot of guys are feeling. Whereas most of used to feel like p*ssies for getting caught in our feelings on some dumb sh*t, it seems like nowadays a lot of dudes are running at the opportunity to get in their feelings on some dumb sh*t and air it out to be seen by as many people as possible.

You used to just keep that sh*t at home for your wife or girlfriend to see and hear. Yeah, she’d laugh at you. But it stayed at home. Now, not so much.

“Marvin’s Room” is the perfect example. I saw all kinds of people, men and women, talking about it when it, and for good reason. It represents that shift where putting out stuff like this that used to be confined to just that one dude and that one chick (and whoever she clowned him with). Now, it’s a song a mainstream rapper makes. Sh*t like that only used to come out on indy releases by Atmosphere. I wonder how Slug feels about Drake? By the way, its possible that thost last two sentences made sense to about 10 percent of anybody reading this.

So what say you? Have you seen this rise of the emo negro? What’s to blame? Is it a bad thing? And how many of y’all have had Marvin’s Rooms situations? Pony up fellas. It’s okay to tell the truth. We’re being emo now.

For the record. I’m not emo. I’ve never done anything I’ve referenced. I’m a gangsta, I don’t dance. I boogie. Thank you and good night.

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka TICKLE ME EMO P aka GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRL HE A 3

463 thoughts on “Marvin’s Room and the Rise of the Open-Air Emo Negro”

  2. I cannot tell a lie.

    The “I dropped the ball… you were the greatest… I should have stuck with you…. You can do better… get back with me” phone call has a close to orgasmic effect on me.

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    • it’s not orgasmic to me but my reaction is like…overwhelming smile…laughter…HA! you lame @ss muthaf—! ha! BEYOTCH!

      & then telling them in the politest tone how you’re glad they’re ok & flattered that they thought of you, but you truly have no desire to have this conversation or any other with them. ever…

      and hearing the confused silence, followed by non-sensical stammering & apologies…

      the best!

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    • You ain’t lying…those phone calls are awesome…lol all I can do is put the phone on mute, & laugh while they’re “venting”. I know, I’m evil. :-)

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    • I’m the opposite. When things fall apart, I want dude to be ghost, totally. I react to the call, e-mail, text or what have you like “damn, you mean you still exist?” Dude admitting quirks I already new about and accepted, and decided to love him fully in spite of those things…that admission doesn’t do a thing for me. Him confessing he should have stayed just pisses me off. His deciding to walk off makes it impossible to convince me that I was ever really important to him, so I get o gratification from what I see as lies on top of lies.

      You can probably tell I’ve been through this a few times.

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    • I remember awhile back we talked about this related to the theme of most R&B songs by female artists

      http://www.verysmartbrothas.com/dodging-bullets-of-love-with-beyonce/

      Incidents like the ones the women above are describing is PRECISELY why we have these kind of songs. Half of the dudes are still being that dude that’s not really ready to step up to the plate, but wanting to take another swing anyway… and the other half are dudes who really are crawling back.

      Today will not be a good day on VSB for the Y chromosome clan.

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    • I do wonder how many of you all actually get those calls though. Perhaps its a lot. I know for a fact that I’ve never told an ex that I want her back. I did tell one that she might be the one I let get away, however, I was okay with the outcome so la di da. She agreed. We hi-fived and kept it moving.

      So when a dude hits you with that…what do you do? You know…after you get finished shaking and sh*t?

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      • I get these call waaaaaay too often! I’m 30ish now and all but two of my exes (starting from middle school non-dating where you just saw each other at school and talked on the phone to my ex husband who thought he could make this call a year after our separation and was surprised I was filing for divorce) have made this call or visit. One hood type ninja knocked on my door with a blunt and 40oz Mickeys at midnight and wanted me to go chill in the park with him for old times sake…told him I had kids and my man was moving in next month and I didnt do that stuff anymore. He asked to see some pics of the kids, told me they were beautiful like their mama, told me to be sure I make that man take care of me and my kids, then tenderly kissed my forehead and said “I’m out!” and left.

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  3. this post had so many great lines…
    drake is the unhappiest rapper alive…1st he just wanted to be successful & bang every bish wit a box, but now that he is & he can…he’s so damn emo…#1stWorldProblems

    anyway twitter & fb stats just affirms that niqqas are bishes too. (i know that was less than eloquent & somewhat negative in connotation–i’m bitter)…but honestly, i think men are the only people surprised by the emo-ness of their male-kind…cuz as women…we already are more than familiar w/all the emo-ness that is a black man. all them begging-esque al green type songs…were probably part of a real dialogue between a niqqa that just wouldn’t do right and the woman he wronged, before they were ever song lyrics.

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          • +1

            When you’re having a moment, there’s really no safe place. Women / mamma’s want their boys to be able to emote but what happens when that same boy becomes a man? Women then want you to man up (yes this was a VSB blog plug) now and deal. How can you be told to own up to yours in one breath and potentially laughed out of town when you do? I’m just sayin.

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            • I have to disagree… I am consistently a safe place. And I’m guessing a lot women are? I’ve had more men cry, literally cry, on my shoulder than I think can be counted. It’s funny, they almost always worry that I’m going to say something about it later. But that is one thing I vowed to myself to NEVER, like _ever_, throw in a man’s face.

              The boyhood thing is challenging… I have a little brother, and my mama and I are always like, yep, go emo, it’s cool… but of course dad is always like WTF? Man UP. NOW. Lol, so it gets tricky…

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              • There’s a differnce in I’m crying because something bad has happened and I emoting because I did you / her bad; I doubt that safe place would be there.

                The other challenge is yes you and your mom are letting your brother know it’s o.k. to emote but are we raising the future women that it’s o.k. if your man does this and it’s not limited to certain situations. I get where your dad is comming from becuase I struggle with finding the balance between what is and what should be with my son. He should be able to emote freely then get back on his grind. The reality is that it’s not 100% socially acceptable yet.

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                • This is another reason I worry about the world I’m raising my boys into. I’m trying to teach them that it’s okay to feel and positively express those feelings but are their future mates being taught that it’s okay for men to do this? Makes me feel as if I’m setting them up for a harder life, not an easier one.

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                  • Just one of many shifts in gender relationships TAC that you and I must attempt to navigate ourselves and our children thru.

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                  • Nah,
                    you are building in the ‘filter’.
                    the things you are teaching him – that is how to express himself and be ok with talking about emotion – well that will filter out all of the women that can’t handle an emotionally well-adjusted man.
                    He may be frustrated at first, that some tramp-dressed-skank-ho don’t like his convo. But then, he will meet that awkward, but chexy, well-read, in-touch with herself sister and it will be all good.

                    he won’t miss that other craziness at all.

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                    • Wait, I think I confused you with Todd down thread…. who is adamantly (it seems) of the “man up” side of the conversation…

                      And if you purposely pull a Shrek character out of your azz in homage to my earlier Shrek inspired comment, I heart you for it.

    • Here’s the thing. I don’t know if we’re surprised that it exists so much as its like…robbing a bank with your boy and he says your name out loud in the store. Like…damn dude…have you no couth??!?! Keep that sh*t to yo’self.

      Here’s the thing about R&B and sangers in general…sure those dudes are singing sh*t women want to hear…but news stories kind of indicate that a lot of these dudes werent exactly the charming wordsmiths without songwriters.

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  4. While the new emo school of Hip Hop is one of my favorite topics, I have to digress for a small announcement…

    It’s my BIRFDAY!!!

    *Burst through the wall like the Kool Aid Man”

    OH YEAH!

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  5. Aubrey… *blush*

    *ahem*

    I don’t see a problem with being emotional and admitting it. As a “strong” black woman, emotions often take a back burner for me, so I find myself listening to sad love songs or angry songs and just dealing with it until one day I’m venting to my best friend drunk and wailing and…right, I’m back.

    Letting the emotions out, contrary to popular belief is good in moderation. Nobody likes that weeping willow b*tch at the party unless she’s easy .

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    • aha, a clever variable you pointed out at the end there “unless she’s easy” lol, that definitely does make it more acceptable haha

      I mean, as a man socialized the way we normally are and having the natural strengths/priorities that usually don’t involve suppressing or managing emotions you have a love hate relationship with Drake and his honesty. He is in touch with his feelings, and not ashamed of them, which is noteworthy if nothing else. Men have had Drake moments, we learn not to act on them though. Even though none of us like to talk about it in such a simp *ss way, it’s natural to feel some type of way about any and everything relating to other humans’ approval or validation. We crave social acceptance and adoration from all people, especially the opposite sex. Both genders are guilty of it, but Drake’s the first R&B/Hip Hop hybrid artist to do it so accurately/honest. Besides Kanye I guess. That guy seems pretty genuine for the most part. Don’t always agree with or approve of his decisions, but he seems authentic to his character as an artist.

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      • I have noticed that a lot of my male friends dislike Drake…but know most of his lyrics…so yeah.

        As a woman who’s in touch with her emotions but reluctant to share them, seeing a man as big (physically and in the world) as Drake just up and say “I worry about being single forever” or “I’m probably a little bit in love with you” makes me feel like if he can be open and honest with himself and the world so publicly why can’t I?

        The difference between Drake and Kanye is that you know Drake is somewhere just feeling his emotional sh*t, while Kanye is somewhere buying new sh*t and collecting models. Not. The. Same.

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        • “I have noticed that a lot of my male friends dislike Drake…but know most of his lyrics…so yeah.”

          :D That cracked me up :D

          Kanye is evolving though. I see him smiling a lot lately. I like that very much — beautiful smile. I think Kanye’s songs will change once again and maybe, just maybe he’ll marinate in his emotions a bit longer.

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    • I can totally agree here.

      I can be emotional…in private. I’ll vent to my friends, cry in my pillow, get sh*t-faced in my room…but when I walk out that door, it’s game time. Leave all that stuff in the house.

      Oh, and I hate the weeping/bitter b*tch at the party. Especially when it was HER F*CKING IDEA to even go out in the first place! Ladies, if this is you, please wait until you’re really ready to go out before pulling this stunt. Otherwise, we can just go get drinks. We’re perfectly okay with just getting drinks.

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  6. i think the emo negro is definitely on the rise, and for most of these dudes it’s terrible, because it’s making them into little b*tches. they’re jumping way out the window with the whole expressing feelings thing and just crying and sulking, not really realizing that the two are not the same. please, do take off the panties and grow a pair. however, i think part of it is positive, because guys are paying more attention to whatever women they have around them, and realizing it’s okay to be soft, but only sometimes though.

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    • Everything in moderation, huh?

      Woody Allen has created excellent cultural products that have resulted from his neuroses. To a lesser degree, Charlie Kaufman has done the same. And they both have reaped substantive pecuniary benefits from them.

      This is what entertainers do. Drake, Mary J. Blige, Christopher Nolan, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, Meryl Streep…most if not all of commercial artists cash in on deftly capturing emotions in their work. Because no one buys (real) protest songs or philosophical treatises on iTunes.

      Beyond professional entertainers, only some realize that they can harness their emotional energy (collected experiences both positive and negative) to achieve stellar goals. The remainder are lost in the sea of emotion.

      Ideally, everyone would be able to perform the alchemy of transforming their baggage into gold and platinum (records, trophies, stars, and the like), but those are not the world’s circumstances. You have me to thank for that, ha-

      Wait…*sniff*…this does not feel the same! Everything has changed! Whyyyyyyyyy?

      *buries his face in a handkerchief*

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      • Hmmm….

        As an artist, i feel like the purpose of artist is to express yourself, even if its drunk dials to your ex. That might not have been the best move, but as an artist, creating in the midst of an emotion usually prevents me from doin some stupid ish like makin said drunk dial. I think Drake does the same thing, except he just gets paid for his art, and its exposed to everybody. While he does get into his feelings and stay there, he’s just using his art for therapy. And while the bros might be a lil verklempt that he cryin in the booth, Panama said it best: them same cats go through the same thing, and have been for years. So yeah, homeboy be a marshmellow on wax. But Picasso was too, we just couldn’t understand it. It just seems like Aubrey Graham isn’t very happy these days…

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    • hmm…you think guys are paying more attention to their women? seems to me like dudes are being emo…but selfishly so. like there’s no extra accountability attached to it. to me it seems like dudes being emo are the equivalent of how women feel we act when we’re sick. we want all the attention and p*ssy sh*t without worrying about how it affects our women.

      basically, “be there for me at all costs”.

      i’m not saying that this is accurate either, but it seems like a logical step for the emo ninja.

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      • I have to agree with you there. I’ve experienced it to be rather selfish and emo-egotistical. The whole “I’m so sad, look what you’ve done to me, what if I died tomorrow, answer my calls, why don’t you love me” bit is draining and doesn’t leave room for the other persons’ emotions. Effective communication and being expressive is important, but a balance is absolutely necessary.

        Now, with all that said. I have to admit that I do enjoy emo ass The Weeknd and his overdose-inducing falsetto. I can even tolerate Drake. Call me hypocritical, but I’m fine with the Open-Air Emo Negro as long as I only have to hear it through my speakers. Texts, phone calls, emails, Twitter, Facebook…no thanks.

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      • I think emo dudes who whine are the ones fishing for the next woman to feel sorry for him awww him and then fall in his bed.

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  7. “Even if the relationship didn’t work out, they just want to know that they mattered. Or will be remembered”

    That about sums it up on our end!!! Be as emo as y’all wanna be (meaning a healthy mix of gangsta and emo). Just let you Soul Glo!!!

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    • Damn, that “submit” button is sensitive dinna mug!

      Meant to add that, even tho your confessions may not get you another invitation to the party in her pants, it’ll open the panty vault more readily for the next dude. Now follow me…if more dudes did this, your potential for being the “next guy” recipient go up exponentially!!! This in turn lowers crime and we are all livin and lovin in line with the VSB credo. #UNITY

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      • i aint saying its not true. but you’re saying that dude saying he f*cked up means that she’ll be more open to some other dude? why? and what if new dude doesnt show up for like a year later. like how good are those returns?

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        • Lemme see if my after work brain can get these thought together…

          I guess my logic centers around the post beak-up overanalysis and potential wall building exercises that some ladies (and men) participate in. This may not directly lead to a reluctance to give up the draws! However, a future ego boost via an “I f$&@Ed up”, “you’re the one that got away” call can do wonders in breaking down part of that wall and making it easier to scale for the next one. It may be purely an ego boost or serve to heal an old wound, allowing that person to move on a bit further than they may otherwise have!

          As for the returns, timing may vary. If you’re the next dude this may come a bit down the road from putting your emo-filled “you mattered” speech, or sooner rather than later. For the chick it might allow her to move on to the next one (no Jay) now or later. Who knows! Basically, and theoretically speaking, an increase in emo moments leads to more chicks with less baggage…leads to more openness and potential to beak out the Delude Slow Jams Get The Draws Tape, lower crime, and world peace.

          I hope that made sense! ;)

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  8. For the record I love Drake because he raps about his actual feelings but I don’t know I can’t say I’m mad at the brotha for keeping it real, he’d no thug, drug dealer or what not I guess he just be in his feelings but that’s who he is, but I do agree that this social networking has unleashed the sensitivity in brothas I mean it is all kinds of ridiculous the emotionality that is expressed on here and it be the same guys I often see when I go out claiming they hard or are in some kind of like making these emotional statements..but you know what they say people become bold behind that computer screen

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    • I’m sorry, but I actually had to read that about 3 times, and out loud to understand what that said. Seven lines… One entire run-on sentence. =/

      Um, I like Drake, too. That is all.

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    • You know your argument is so backwards and your punchline was reversed in polarity. If you are going to rant and ramble, at least be coherent while doing so. It is an art, I am the innovator. Also, you must have a few periods to separate clearly different thoughts.

      Now back to your substance. Being emotional online does not exclude them from being hard or gangster in the streets. That actually shows a bit of a dynamic to appreciate. But what do you know about that?

      Point is…emotions don’t define you. Emotions define how you feel. Thugs get lonely too.

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      • Being emotional online does not exclude them from being hard or gangster in the streets. That actually shows a bit of a dynamic to appreciate.

        That’s actually quite ridiculous homes. While we all need a place to vent and be somewhat honest (depends on if you think folks online are that honest or are being more the personas they’d like to be) the only reason anybody can get away with it is if nobody knows who they are in real life. That’s fugazi and I doubt that you’d cosign anybody being that way. Like if I was one way on line and completely opposite when folks met me…VSB would take the worst hit ever. You’d probably think I was a schizo. Nobody cosigns schizo.

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    • Oh shoot didn’t realize this was an online Blackboard english class…I will make sure to proof read my next statement…”peers” and I got in on the first read too lol…smh

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      • Real funny. It ain’t about being “peer” edited but about being coherent. Next time you go to smart off, at least leave something that people can readily understand. Your insolence is wildly dull.

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            • Technically, I’ve never not been emo.

              Matter of fact, that is why I or anybody else hear ever wrote anything. But far be it from me to start breaking down words to improve your ability to digest the metaphor within the script you use daily.

              The worst part is, I don’t really understand why y’all are responding so sharply. Nor do I care. You want it, bring it. I’m not in a sugar coating mood. Y’all on that bs.

              I’m the same dude I was 5 weeks ago and 15 weeks ago. It ain’t like I morphed into something else. I just got happier and it became clear how unhappy some of y’all are. Come here rooting for things that you could easily have in life if you improved the secrets of your attitudes.

              Attitude is everything…my current one is IDG NOT A SINGLE F about what y’all think of me. But I still appreciate VSB for everything it has brought my way. I still think this is an awesome community but some of you definitely need to stop. Maybe I’m the one this week. Duly noted….:-)

              Still jdgaf tho

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              • @ Sagey:

                Ain’t trying to start no stuff and ain’t trying to continue it either, but I’m so grateful that the internet demons got in my computer last night and disconnected my internet just about the time I hit the submit button! We are both blessed. :)

                I hope whatever is bothering you, you have conquered that tho. And, if it’s this blog/comment section, take some time off and enjoy life. Ain’t nothing here that serious bruh. Beleeeve dat! Peace and love.

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            • Y’all must’ve forgot who I am. I say what I see. Considering how horrible her script was and how arrogant her response, y’all really should have never come at me if y’all are going to defend this mess. There was not a single solid thought. It just bled together. So, nobody can be sure what she was “trying” to say without her explaining. Except she has the personality of a Walgreens plastic bag.

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              • And what exactly do you do for a profession? judging from your blog site…not much, but write about irrelevant stuff that no one is interested in besides yourself. And according to your “info” you work in HR that doesn’t even require a degree you could have worked your way up from an hr assistant and became that. Don’t be an internet bully because you have all the time in the world with no real job to perfect your grammar sir. Seems like you might as well be bagging at Wal-Mart rather than Walgreens…

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                • Perhaps you are right….I’m glad you can click links and attempt to defend people. But my grammar is hardly up to par. Lol. And I can hardly see fit to take your derision personally.

                  What I do as a living? Nothing. I don’t work. Next? I don’t have my Bachelors even. Next? Do you think any of that makes me a better or worse person? I’ll say what I feel like saying. I’ll admire the qualities I admire period. Anybody that wants to find fault with it is fine.

                  I’m not really concerned with judgment. Only improvement. These details may mean something to someone. Not to me.

                  Oh, as for my blog topics…lol. Of course I write about what interest me. That is the purpose. Lol, your point? Do you feel better that my life appears to be less than a man’s life should be? I’m fine with it. Pray for my downfall. :-) I’m not concerned with your judgment.

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                  • Actually, I am slightly concerned with your judgment. I don’t need validation but we all love acknowledgement.

                    But life is rarely about what you’ve done and more about what you will do.

                    Even stated without defending myself, painting me like the bad guy might win the eyes of on lookers but this is a truth that I would love to see y’all defend: I didn’t directly insult or lower anyone but you all behaved as if I had (aside from the coward chick & walgreen’s plastic bag comment-which I merely did because it made me laugh…it still makes me laugh). So, even if I lost the argument, made a mistake but came out the better person. Did I really lose anything but an opinion popularity contest?

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                • I just realized how much of a coward you are. What do you write about?

                  Judge not lest ye be judged.

                  And you levy a sentiment of lacking worth against me? Rofl.

                  Simply amazing. Pulling cards.

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                • Oh kay….but I’m pretty sure you don’t really want to go there with me. So, I’ll just ignore you from here on out. :-)

                  This is a service because I once felt such camaraderie with you. Call it a parting favor.

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              • First of all, who are you that we are supposed to remember? When did you become more than just another dude on the internet?

                Second, I understood her just fine. It wasn’t too long ago that you were typing like that and I understood you too. Then someone offered you some constructive criticism in a respectful way and here you are.

                You’ve been in attack mode for a few weeks now and perhaps you need to take a couple of steps back remember who you are and where you are and why you’re here. I have no idea what you might be going through but dumping your sht on strangers isn’t gonna help anyone.

                Fin.

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                • BULL SH*T the way people came at me was far more disrespectful. I just didn’t react….You a lie. And I always had periods. Who you think you lying to? And yeah, I already mentioned being the innovator. And of course I’m just another dude. But I was referring to my “see it through” attitude. Duh? You got problems. To take what I said ALLLLLLL the way to left field. Over complicating and adding negatives to what I’m saying.

                  What ever….just like you telling me…get over yourself. You, no matter what you say, will not get through to me. Why? Because you don’t understand the things you are preaching to me better than I understand them.

                  This is really pointless…and I’m going to keep responding. So….impasse. Next move.

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                    • If they are so pointless why do you keep responding?

                      Just go and be happy and stay high above all us lowly, unhappy people. Makes it easier for you to sht on us for not being on your level, right?

                      You can have the last word after this since that seems to be what you want/need. I’m taking my miserable self to bed.

                    • ” And I always had periods. ”

                      Did anybody else misinterpret this when they first read it? No shots fired, I’m just a lil throwed off lol

                  • Aww, Sagey, whyyoumad, bro? MoVSS DOES have a point, you know. I very distinctly remember an older thread where people had some trouble understanding your unique flow, and while some people laughed outright while others just gave you a #kanyeshrug, some people really did sit down and give you advice and constructive criticism. I agree that the comment that started alladis wasn’t the most coherent, but so what? This isn’t GrammarNazi.com, nor is it a place where we should be shooting each other down for expressing how we feel, even if our words don’t always come across clearly.

                    Now I know you’re an independent, intelligent ninja who knows his own mind, so you might just blow my words off. That’s okay, I still like you, man. I appreciate seeing opinions here that don’t follow the norm, they challenge me and force me to think about my own opinions in various ways. But that’s no excuse to be rude to a somebody, especially somebody you don’t know. For all you know, she could be a world-class physicist and Nobel laureate who simply d3cide$ to rite lik dis on teh intenetz. And while “No” is far more likely in this case, that’s still no cause for tactlessness.

                    Dunno what’s up lately, but I hope you come back to us as a Sagey who drops truth with the control and precision of a surgeon. Trust me, it’s far more powerful that way. Peace.

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                • This was my thought (hope) also…..cause this mess was pure comedy. Matter of fact, I’m STILL waiting on the “just kidding” comment….it HAS to be coming…lol.

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              • See, I disagree with you. For one, I understood it. Whether you did or not is irrelevant if other people can. Two, I don’t know you…at all…you seem cool as a fan to me, but you sounding like a hit dog. Almost like you took something she said personal. She wasn’t saying anything that I really didn’t say in my post.

                Now granted, you’re right, you are the emo dude in my opinion – no shots – based on what I read here and that’s all well and good, and an appreciated perspective, but what arrogance did you see in her response? I’m actually curious.

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        • Ok…I am not even going to entertain you I often read on this blog but never comment. But I have noticed that you are the type that likes to go back and forth and attack on simple comments I wasn’t insulting anyone I wasn’t trying to “smart off” I was simply responding the the writers article. They were my thoughts plain and simple. There is no ending philosophical point to it its my damn opinion you a*s. So you can calm down and continue on with you super pretentious life…

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          • “super pretentious life”

            or maybe it is that your an absolutely underwhelming life. The possibilities are endless.

            This is YOUR fault. Your forgot YOUR periods on a popular blog. Then YOU got mad when SOMEBODY mentioned YOUR LACK.

            You can call me names and say you “see” such and such but really, we have been going back and forth for months so you can only ASSUME to know what it’s really about and who is truly being whatever way.

            I promise you, I may be pretentious but I highly doubt it. I may be an A** but I doubt it. I may be worse than all of that….but I’m not you. I’ve got to live with whoever I am for the remainder of my life the same as any of you do.

            Just know that if I truly am an a** or otherwise, that I’ll get what I deserve. But if you’ll curse me, how much better can you be? Pulled right down to “my” level. Smh….And I’m pretentious??? I smell the hypocrisy. Simple arguments?
            No, Simple people. VSB….very simple brothas??? nay I dare say. Next?

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            • If you have a degree it is definitely not keeping you warm at night. You sound extremely unhappy, as I stated earlier my opinion is what it is. This is all simple, the internet is very interesting in that it allows you to run in to people that you otherwise (thankfully) wouldn’t run into. The time you have spent ridiculing my small insignificant statement further proves you have no life and are looking to spread your negativity through the web. The screen you are hidden behind, has given you such confidence, more so unwarranted arrogance. Most truly educated people seek to help and assist not belittle and degrade…read a book, go to church, look at the sun hell I really don’t give a damn but you are not going to block my shine..

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              • I’m surprised how I could give you so much information about me but you aren’t giving any information about yourself.

                Happy people are less likely to be upset by criticism. So, why are you so upset if you are as happy as you claim?

                You see, If I’m an a**, it explains why I’m being this way…What is y’all’s excuses?

                I thought so. Good one. Deduction is not your strong suit. None of ya.

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              • Ha…:-)

                What about what I’m saying sounds unhappy? What are you using as signs of my unhappiness? Or are you just talking out your cheeks?

                You women have more numbers. You have more insults. You have more emotions. And yet, for being direct I was wrong and you all respond with all this? Nope….you may never feel the bite of my word but you will either stop responding….or….cave. I kind of see why Obsidian went where he went with y’all. Once, you think you’ve been offending, you have no character and you try to disrespect a man’s perception of himself. Which is extremely weak regardless if you are right or wrong. And I sound like the unhappy one?

                Well, I guess that shows what I thought I knew…Okay. With that one, I can rest….y’all schooled me. Let me go deal with myself.

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        • I know this isn’t my battle, but your comment seemed on par with “mean girl” antics. If there is a problem with her comment, which several other VSP agree with, you could have pointed it out in a better way. The level of disrespect that followed is IMO utterly despicable. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt b/c I don’t know you but that is how you and the others came across.

          And no, I don’t know the original poster. I just felt the need to speak on the situation, especially b/c I feel like s/he was unduly attacked. I haven’t seen Charlene post before and I hope the behavior of some won’t turn her off.

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          • I can easily respect that.

            Level of disrespect utterly despicable.

            I agree with you. But that depends on who you feel was disrespected. And why.

            I’ll take the blame for my extra dry joke. That is typical of me. But they depressed the keys on their keyboards. Their thangs.

            Either way. feel free to enter. Nobody should attack you if you ain’t come in swingin’. I’m definitely not mad. And I appreciate your contribution to the fray.

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            • Honestly, I feel like disrespect was coming from all sides. So I guess you can keep agreeing with me lol.

              I just feel like things can get a little out of hand at times.

              Wow, I seem to be channeling Susie so let me get back to Hey, Arnold.

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              • Oh, disrespect on all sides?

                What are you counting as disrespect? Because even what I did say, it is hard to call those insults.

                I honestly believe you to be afraid of taking sides. But note, I called the person taking shots from the SIDELINE a coward. Fair enough. I called the girl unable to take criticism where it should be expected insolent. and weak( the plastic bag insult). And in no kind of way was I being simply hurtful more as being descriptive.

                These women (if you so choose to call them that) crossed into a territory marked by their insecurity and argued as children. With nary a perfunctory restraint or glimpse of dignity. Indignant as all of Perdition. And you lump me with them?

                This is funny to me. You may feel I’m wrong for my abrasive quality but I by far and wide did not stoop to a name calling without clear signs of said offense.
                Hey, either way…we all got to grow up more everyday. I just don’t need to lie to myself while doing it.

                Emo….

                I hope for the sake of these women that I’m just some maligned emo dude with a grudge against smart & well adjusted women. Otherwise, like I have said other places…I lose the amount of time I spent typing. They lose so much more if I’m not wrong.

                How you say it tho, right?

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          • Wow. Ok, seriously… this whole thread got waaaaaay out of hand. What I originally said was in jest. There was truth to my comment, but still, it wasn’t meant to be a personal attack! I think the people who agreed with me understood that and went on about their business. It’s hard to express tone when typing, geez.

            Then some people swooped in and took this to a-whole-nother level! My apologies, Charlene. I hope you continue to comment and this won’t force you to continue lurking. As for the other 40+ comments/arguments, that was just a long time coming…

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      • Five foot thuggin it and lovin it :D … atleast I am.

        What’s been goin on since I been gone? Seems like a free for all…where’s the love? <3 Thugs can love…right?

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    • After reading thru all of this, I just feel like I need to take a shower. I have no idea why it started out so deep and why the hell it even went where it went. I’d offer my psychoanalysis, but frankly…nobody would care. Hell i dont care that much. but at the end of the day, delivery is everything. i don’t understand what set the sh*t off in the first place. or why it was necessary to berate (and don’t front Sagey Bear…just cuz you don’t think telling a motherf*cker that their words were merely an incoherent rant is in anyway rude doesn’t mean it aint so) a mofo. granted…some folks deserve it. hell i might have deserved it a time or two. If I was her, I’d have come back at you too. Straight up. There was a time homes when I couldn’t understand what the hell you were saying, punctuation or not. Sometimes I’m still lost. I just keep it moving. How does it make sense to take aim at somebody who does the same sh*t, except using much easier language? That’s what I don’t get. Me and Wild Cougar don’t agree much it seems, but on this one, I’m with her. I don’t understand.

      To each his own and sh*t, but what’s the point in the pot calling the kettle Black when we all ninjas here anyway?

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      • Had I known that my remark would turn into this, I wouldn’t have even said sh*t! This is NOT the first time someone’s grammar has been mentioned on VSB. I’m sorry that it spawned this ridiculous mess. Again, Charlene, I hope that you keep commenting… =/

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        • For the record, I don’t think you meant any harm with your comment. I fact, if someone hadn’t turned it into something else, I think Charlene would have laughed it off and moved on.

          As for my contribution to this mess, it has been some time in coming; at least for me. I felt I had to say something and I stand by every word I typed. However, I don’t do e-beef so I consider the matter closed on my end.

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      • Everyone was joking, poking fun in jest (hell, I did it to but I did say that I understood and agreed with her statement) Sagey took it to a whole notha level. Unnecessary in tone, belittling and just plain nasty.

        So, in short, I agree with you PJ.

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      • And one more thing. I always find it funny when someone feels the need to let you know they about to terminate the discussion/conversation/friendship/etc. I’m like, just do it. The effect is much better when you just dissapear…tangent ended.

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      • *walks in…

        read this…

        yells #drakeforever!!! (as the resident canadian..i have to say this).

        *walks right the eff out.

        bye y’all.

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      • Question: Why do you guys even bother? I mean you’re all very smart, it’s super clear that someone needs a hug. Give him the damn hug and move on. To me it’s that simple.

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      • I feel like we were all just at the family reunion. Uncle Roscoe called aunt Rita outta her name, and then her kids wanted to jump on him. Nana was tryna keep the peace and just wanted make sure everybody has a good time. Everybody got drunk and started dancing with thier shoes off, brother and sister hugged it out, and now its back to eating ribs and palying spades.

        I love VSB… nobodys perfect, and everybody can a lil sensitive about thier ishhh. Point is nobody is better than anybody else. Thats my hot 2 cents and Im done :)

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      • @Panama Jackson

        I’m cool. There was a point today when I thought about it and caught myself a little upset. Laughed it off and got back to life. Whether I’m right or wrong is completely irrelevant to their lives unless it means something to them.

        And about the Fugazy comment; times change and so do the forms of communication. Tupac, Nas and plenty of other “thug” rappers expressed themselves via poetry before blogs. Is it such a far reaching claim to think a thug would be on a blog? Wow, P. wow.

        Typing is a fairly basic skill set nowadays. Maybe it’s the West Coast in my blood but this comment section is stuck in retro stereotype mode. I don’t know what to tell ya.

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  9. I don’t want the “girl…I never shoulda let you go” call ever. I’ve had guys do that and you know what I do? Hang the f-k up! Why? Cuz. I’m a real G and that’s what real G’s do.

    Seriously though, I don’t hang straight up. I listen, and then say “thanks for calling.” And THEN I hang up. Why? B/c unless you want to talk to me about the reasons behind it, all that call represents is a drunken night of reminiscing come to fruition w/a little bit of “can I still hit” thrown in for good measure. Like Scarface said, “I don’t need that kinda sh*t in my life.”

    One thing I do agree with is the public airing of dirty laundry effect that social networking has had on us all. Sure, we’ve all done the “TMI” tweet or fb stat, but it’s only the truly ignorant who persist in that after you get one too many folks calling you asking about your relationship/job status/state of your vagina/etc. Most begin to realize maybe those stats should be private.

    And that’s the thing with all sorts of media now days. Celebs (and wannabe celebs) want privacy but they steady signing up for tell-all reality show deals. Everyday people want folks to keep they name out their mouths, but they steady feeding the twitter/facebook stream of consciousness and wonder why folks stay talking.

    I lost the rest of my point, but it’s late and I suppose that’s good enough on the comments.

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    • Mo-VSS is on it. Good point about the celebs bein hypocrites. And yeah those drunk dials and “remember when” convos are the trick bag! Run like Forest Gump from those lol

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    • “I don’t need that kinda sh*t in my life.”

      Yep. If a ninja’s going to get gone (on bad terms) then a ninja needs to stay gone. I HATE the regret call. Awkward^infinity. I like to be allowed to think that perhaps dude vanished from existence, or is living in a monastery some place in Tibet.

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    • “Why? B/c unless you want to talk to me about the reasons behind it, all that call represents is a drunken night of reminiscing come to fruition w/a little bit of “can I still hit” thrown in for good measure. Like Scarface said, “I don’t need that kinda sh*t in my life.”

      +7

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  10. Men and their emotions, lol. According to the cuffin’ season calendar, we should be seeing emo on a 100 million (Marvin’s Week) around late October, lmao.

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