Pop Culture, Race & Politics, Theory & Essay

Macklemore’s Real Problem With Black People

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Imagine a world where…

1. Justin Bieber and Beyonce performed together at a major event

…and…

2. During the show, Beyonce “accidentally” made an obscene gesture that kinda, sorta seemed planned by her and Bieber

…and…

3. When questioned about the gesture, Bieber threw Beyonce under the bus, allowing Beyonce to receive all the negative press by herself

…and…

4. Within the next several years, as Beyonce continued to suffer from the public relations hit, the Black community would begin to embrace Bieber while collectively forgetting about her.

Seems completely far-fetched, right? I’d even say that it was impossible. Like, not f*cking possible in a million Pharrell years. But that would make me a liar. Because this exact thing happened 10 years ago. 

Janet Jackson may not have been as big then as Beyonce is now, but she was close. And Justin Bieber today might not be as big now as Justin Timberlake was then, but he’s close. But those are minor details. The major detail remains the same: Black America collectively “forgave” a 20-something White male for his role in effectively ending the career of a Black music icon.

There are myriad theories for why this was able to happen. You could argue that Janet was already on the downside of her career, and this was just a nail to a coffin that had already started to close. You could argue that the entire controversy was just another example of the double standard for male and female and Black and White performers. You could even say that Janet was blacklisted because she was the one who actually had a body part exposed.

While each theory has some truth to it, none really explain why Black people have been so quick to embrace Timberlake. I mean, he’s on every Black awards show, he works with the best Black artists, and he’s the White celebrity crush for like 17% of Black women.

The answer is simple: Timberlake has talent.

That’s it. Talent is the great neuralyzer; powerful enough to make us forget and forgive anything. It makes us liars and hypocrites. Excusers and enablers. Things we say that really, really, really, really, really matter to us like integrity and loyalty and even racial solidarity stop mattering once someone is talented and cute and makes us laugh with his dick in a box.

He’s cool with us because he’s cool.

Timberlake isn’t the only example of this happening. I’m sure many of us can think of suspect stuff we’ve let slide because of how much we liked a person’s music or movies or pizza. It happens to me, too. Quentin Tarantino has a long history of saying and/or doing racially problematic things, but I look the other way because I love his movies.

All of this helps me understand what’s happening with Macklemore right now.

Macklemore is literally everywhere right now. And by “Macklemore is literally everywhere right now” I mean “Think pieces tying Macklemore to White privilege and disingenuousness and cultural appropriation are literally everywhere right now.” Seriously, on my way to the bathroom earlier, I tripped and fell over a 1,100 word long piece comparing Macklemore to John Boehner and Joseph Caiaphas. It was sleep on the floor. I gave it a granola bar.

He has become both pop culture’s and Black America’s punching bag of the week. I even joined in the fray during the Grammys, tweeting that he was the only Grammy winner where the “get off the stage” music is better than his. 

While the heat he’s receiving now will eventually die down, one thing is certain: He will never, ever, ever, ever receive the same type of embrace from us that Timberlake or even Eminem does. Never, ever, ever, ever. He’s not quite the male Miley Cyrus. But, as far as him symbolizing “everything that’s wrong with the music industry” and “White people stealing shit again”, he might as well be.

Which proves (again) that we’re all hypocrites.

The only thing really separating Justin Timberlake and Eminem and Robin Thicke — all White artists who’ve been embraced by Blacks despite doing and/or saying some racially problematic things — from Macklemore is that we think Macklemore sucks. We don’t diss him because of appropriation or undeserved Grammy wins or Instagrammed messages to Kendrick Lamar. I mean, we say that we do, and we do a very good job of seeming upset about that stuff. But, when you consider that some of the White artists we embrace have done much worse, the Macklemore hate comes down to the fact that we think his music is simple, saccharin, and stupid. If he was a little more talented, a little less awkward, and maybe a little more handsome, we could be convinced to look the other way. But he’s not, so we don’t.

Perhaps you don’t agree. Maybe you believe it’s not just about talent. That Macklemore comes off as fake and Timberlake seems authentic so that’s why we embrace him. And, you know what? I believe you.

Actually, let me rephrase that. I will believe you if you can do one thing for me: Name the last Janet Jackson LP.

—Damon Young (aka “The Champ”)

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a contributing editor for EBONY.com. He resides in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes.

  • Sahel

    I said it the other day,time for a new genre to be created. Hip hop RnB and Rock,gone. Thought Janet got hitched to a billionaire arab or something.that nips thing hurt her brand though..world acted like it was worse than a mextape

    • ratchet dialogue

      I never understood the big deal. it was just a nipple. cows have dangling nipples too, why haven’t they expressed outrage yet?

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com/ Testorshia Turner

        Their’s typically aren’t pierced and on television. That’s the only difference I can see.

        • ratchet dialogue

          but I see them on tv….ALL the time.

          • JayIzUrGod

            Now you do…2004 you didn’t

            • ratchet dialogue

              sir, I did…….congrats on putting a ring on it, by the way!!!

              • Sahel

                Wait,what.Rewind is stepping into the line of fire

              • JayIzUrGod

                Thank you kindly!

                Nah I’m saying 10 years ago, boobs were on HBO /Showtime only. Today, the major neteorks show side boob all the time, nips are next!

          • Val

            Where exactly are you seeing nipples/ breasts on broadcast TV?

          • panamajackson

            On regular network television? B/c I’m callin shenanigans on that one.

    • Val

      European style dance music has taken over. Everyone’s doing it now. Rihanna is top of that list with, quiet as it’s kept, Beyonce quickly catching up to her in that genre. The desire to crossover is killing R&B.

      • Sahel

        Dance Dance revolution. Good thing A.K is still around,i think

      • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

        I have to get back to that. The thing is crossing over means something completely different now than it did even 10 years ago.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

        What happened now is no different than what happened in the mid-80′s. If you listen to the R&B in that time, you could tell by the song and the videos they were trying to make a beeline towards pop radio.

        • Epsilonicus

          Then look at New Jack Swing which went hard towards hip hop

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

            Believe it or not, but the whole New Jack Swing movement was a direct response to all of the R&B artists making music solely for the purpose of crossing over.

            • BlueWave1

              Thank you for pointing this out. People got tired of hearing Freddie Jackson, Surface, Peabo Bryson and others sing that souless, funkless and heartless music. While the New Jack Swing had its faults it at least brought some Funk back to R&B. In truth, mid to late 1980′s Hip Hop was in large part a reaction to the watering down of R&B music.

              • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                A lot of people tend to forget that some of these artists in R&B made completely different music at one point. Just look at Peabo Bryson’s work post-Capitol, Surface’s work post-Salsoul (Although I’ll stand by their second Columbia album faithfully), Kool & the Gang post-1977 and Jermaine Jackson post-Motown. Folks seem to want to forget about that.

    • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

      All these new RnB cats are just rehashing the blueprint my man Maxwell laid out in 1998 with Embrya. Not that I don’t dig it because Embrya is one of the greatest albums of all time.

      • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

        And it’s better than the Jodeci clone groups we dealt with in the 90s. That crap became the Black equivalent of hair metal.

        • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

          New Jack Swing was the worst.

          • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

            Now, the Jodeci clones were the worst. When I can guess what the entire album sounds like just based on your group’s picture, and BE RIGHT, that’s a problem!

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist
              • panamajackson

                I actually liked Jagged Edge because 3 out of 4 of the dudes could really sing. Were they inspired by Jodeci, yes. Clearly. But they have a pretty decent catalog. Ruff Endz on the other hand. And Ideal. And Profyle. And I’ll stop here…

                • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                  You’re right. Jagged Edge had the sense to move away from the Jodeci sound, if not necessarily the look. But the rest of ‘em…yeah, no. Just no.

                  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                    What helped them was working with Bryan-Michael Cox more than they did Jermaine Dupri.

                  • panamajackson

                    And they made really really good music. that J.E. Heartbreak album STILL goes.

                • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                  Panama- you know you’re wrong about what you said regarding Profyle and Ideal- you didn’t have have to take it there, LOL!

                  • panamajackson

                    Listen to me…I have albums by both of them. I’m just saying, the music I like, but their style was a bit TOO much like Jodeci to me…

                • PaddyfotePrincess

                  You didn’t like “Get Gone?” Lol.

                  • http://trulytafakari.com/ dtafakari

                    I LOVED GET GONE lol. But that was the only song. lol.

                    • PaddyfotePrincess

                      I liked it too. I wonder what happened to them.

                  • panamajackson

                    I enjoyed that song. Yes, I did.

              • shalonda282

                Wait not JE, no way they’re clones. They and Jodeci were able to master being smooth and not too soft, something most RnB groups like Immature, Pretty Ricky, and Bryan McKnight fail miserably at. Nah, those others they ain’t JE.

                • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                  Jagged Edge were by-the-book clones of Jodeci and even took their place after they broke up- similar to how System Of A Down took Rage Against The Machine’s place when they broke up.

                  • shalonda282

                    JE merely stepped in and expanded where Jodeci left off. Their sound was totally different though. I can’t speak on the System of a Down and Rage Against the Machine comparison because I don’t know their music. The Sleep Now in the Fire video was pretty cool though, (just found it on You Tube). No money was harmed.

          • http://trulytafakari.com/ dtafakari

            YOU TAKE IT BACK!

            • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

              Never.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

      What also hurt Janet was her trying run that whole thing about being a freak on every freaking album. We get it Janet, you love d*ck…now can we move on to something else? LMAO!!!

      • Val

        And the interesting thing about that is men wrote and produced most of those songs.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

          Produced? Yes. But wrote? Everything after “Control” was all Janet.

  • ratchet dialogue

    This Mac n cheese dude was introduced to me courtesy of this blog. I’ve never heard of him. Perhaps I listen to his music and not know it is him. Is it rachet?
    Janet Jackson was as big as Beyonce was. Celebrity cult worship was not prevalent then as is now. The generation before us were not cultic in their ‘worship’. That little comparison pissed me off. I’m dealing though.
    I will never, no care to EVER understand what the brouhaha is with Justin Timberlake. He is basic as far as talent is concerned, like real phakkin B(ay) to the A(AAAAAY) to the S(aywhatnow IIIIIIIIIIIcan’t) C(thebigdealwithhisBASICAL voice!!!!!). If we talking blue eyed white soul singers, Paula Patton’s husband takes the crown.

    • Sahel

      Bunni will come for you,shes the resident Justin lover

      • Val

        I thought it was Mena.

        • Sahel

          Didn’t Bunni declare she ran down a NY street during the Nsync days for JT.. If Mena is a fan then let her defend the shield too

          • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

            No…you got the wrong NSync member. It was for JC she ran down the street for. LOL

            • Sahel

              I stand corrected

        • ratchet dialogue

          darrrrling Val, heeeyyyy!!! :) *waving*!! I forgot to answer your question last time in regards to food. Wellll, today I had cassava leaf and rice…..mmmmmh, mmmmh, mmmh! try it, if you ever get a chance.

          • Val

            Hiya, AM!

            *waves*

            That sounds interesting. I will.

    • http://testorshia.blogspot.com/ Testorshia Turner

      “Blurred Lines” has ruined Robin for me. iCan’t

      • ratchet dialogue

        but girl, can he SANG? yes. JT…tries

        • http://testorshia.blogspot.com/ Testorshia Turner

          He sued Marvin Gaye’s family. Sanging or not, you don’t mess with the legacy.

          • ratchet dialogue

            lmao. well, he is just exercising his white privilege, what else is new?

            • IcePrincess

              BOL!

            • panamajackson

              See, I disagree with this here…b/c he ain’t done sh*t that hip-hop hasn’t been doing for years. We went YEARS in hip-hop with folks not clearing samples…on purpose. Completely repurposed songs with little to no alteration. Pharrell (the tracks producer) just did the same thing except replayed it (in my opinion) just like Dr. Dre did with all of his samples.

              • https://www.dlisted.com/ AGuest

                2013 isn’t 1983, though. Too many lawsuits have went down for someone to pull something as juvenile as not clearing a sample. What has to be going through someone’s head to not clear a sample with that much money on the line?

          • Val

            Unfortunately Marvin already screwed up his legacy.

            • Rachmo

              Yuppers

              • Val

                Hey, it’s nighttime Rach!

                • Rachmo

                  Even crazier, Sober Nighttime Rach

                  • Val

                    Lol. Awww, sorry to hear that.

                  • Sahel

                    Whoa,two days in a row am getting my mind blown.

                    • https://www.dlisted.com/ AGuest

                      I’m convinced ‘Monster’ is a payola baby.

            • http://trulytafakari.com/ dtafakari

              Val, didn’t Pharrell produce that track? Why is Thicke the face of the movement?

              • Val

                I guess because the artist is the one that usually gets the accolades as well as the criticism. But I really don’t have a problem with the song.

                • http://trulytafakari.com/ dtafakari

                  Me either. The lyrics, the video, maybe. But all the heat on Thicke, when a black producer made the record? We throw out the word appropriation willy nilly.

                  • Rachmo

                    I rather enjoy the song. *boogies*

                    • http://trulytafakari.com/ dtafakari

                      The beat is infectious! But then again, my boo Pharrell made it…

          • panamajackson

            To be clear, it was a suit b/c of the one brought by Marvin Gaye’s estate claiming that the music was a rip. Now, to anybody with ears it does sound like it. Though Pharrell dropped sheet music and the whole nine, like, look, its not the same. So even thought it SOUNDS just like hte Marvin song, they sued to protect themselves from…being sued. LOL.

            • Rachmo
            • http://trulytafakari.com/ dtafakari

              I may be the only black person not mad at this suit. Maybe it’s because I find it strange to charge Robin Thicke with appropriation when Pharrell produced it.

              • panamajackson

                Oh, Pharrell is part of the suit. Trust and believe.

            • http://testorshia.blogspot.com/ Testorshia Turner

              I can’t get with it Uncle PJ. Like, I know he sued to not get sued but at the same time…c’mon now. It sounds almost exactly like Marvin’s song! I’m just…meh >.>

              • Rachmo

                I have a video by Vanilla Ice explaining it below haha

              • panamajackson

                It makes sense to me…I mean…somebody’s coming for your money and art. You may as well stand on your product.

          • https://www.dlisted.com/ AGuest

            That was terrible. A terrible song and a terrible bite. Or was it Marvin Gaye’s family which sued first? The other terrible part is that TI and Pharrel were part of that mess as well. They should have just paid the family props and royalties and let it be a day. It makes me wonder what other influences were at work, to be honest.

        • TheHumanSpider

          I disagree. Both JT and Robin Thicker are…enh…

          • ratchet dialogue

            may the devil in you FLEE! I say FLEE.

            • TheHumanSpider

              Certainly. :)

              *turns volume up on Michael McDonald’s “Everytime You’re Near” on headphones*

              • kidvideo

                REGULATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                MOUNT UP!

              • https://www.dlisted.com/ AGuest

                Michael McDonald is like the Winter Brothers: they may be white, but they have both the talent and the respect. Those three would never pull what Justin Timberlake pulled on Janet or what Pink pulled on the genre.

          • PaddyfotePrincess

            I think Jon B. is underrated.

            • Val

              Is that the same Jon B. from the 90s?

              • PaddyfotePrincess

                That’s the one.

                • Val

                  Impressive career longevity.

                  • PaddyfotePrincess

                    He hasn’t released anything in a couple of years, but he’s still around.

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

              “Stronger Everyday” was his best album…and the label didn’t even bother to try and promote it!!!

              • PaddyfotePrincess

                Great album that received no love.

                • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                  I blame Mathew Knowles for that…as well as how he mishandled De La Soul’s “The Grind Date”.

            • panamajackson

              Jon B. had one of THE best albums to come out of that decade with Cool Relax.

              • Epsilonicus

                You could play that album front to back non-stop

                • panamajackson

                  I run it on Spotify all the time.

      • http://trulytafakari.com/ dtafakari

        Blurred Lines is a hiccup. Robin Thicke is gold to me.

    • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

      Justin Timberlake has just been gifted with really great production and co-signs during his solo career.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

        And that’s the sole reason for him being famous. If he worked with people like Mike City (who was supposed to be on “Justified”), I don’t think we would have seen Justin being as popular as he was.

        • PaddyfotePrincess

          I love the music Mike City produced for Lalah Hathaway and Dave Hollister.

    • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

      I’m sorry Robin Thicke is mediocre…i said mediocre to me he uses falsetto when songs really don’t call for it, keeps picking rap beats too big for him and hasn’t had a solid album in a decade…no.

      • Muse

        LOL, everytime I see the word “mediocre” now, I hear it in the voice of Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman.

    • https://www.dlisted.com/ AGuest

      I don’t know anyone who embraces Justin Timberlake. Robin Thicke got a pass because not only could he sing, but … Paula Patton. Paula Patton made Robin Thicke look like a guy who walked the walk, instead of just somebody pulling a Pink like JT does. JT’s pattern of using black people and black music in the same way Miley Cyrus will ask for something ‘urban’ has a long history. Robin has more invested — as well as the talent — over JT.

      The Super Bowl sacrifice of Janet was the nail in the coffin for my group.

      But I’ll admit to being out of it, and my group not being indicative of most people. But the treatment of Janet, and JT disappearing instead of manning up really hurt. Just because a Camel with Self-Esteem issues is willing to overlook that in order to make pop music, doesn’t mean that it’s okay or that all is forgiven.

  • iamnotakata

    I have really been experiencing and reading a little too much about whites and their privilege and I am sick of it!! 2014 is off to a huge start with all of this sh*t. My class today was essentially about overcoming white privilege in healthcare, parts of black twitter are going off about the self centered white b*tch who almost had a kanipshin because a heavy set black chick entered her whites only yoga class…and then white folks out here in Oakland acting like minorities are invisible figments of their imagination…And then all the ruckus about Macklemore winning a grammy for a category he doesn’t even qualify for…who hurt America?…

    • Sahel

      I can only imagine it,a white dude in Oakland demanding equal rights lol

      • iamnotakata

        What do you mean?

    • TheHumanSpider

      I think Colin Kaepernick did it when he won the starting job from Alex Smith

      Just kidding. Social media. Gave a voice to the voiceless. Not helping is the mantra that every voice matters.

      Which leads to the current cr@p we are experiencing.

      • iamnotakata

        True

    • Val

      So that’s how “kanipshin” is spelled.

      • TheHumanSpider

        Hmmmm…

        I always figured it started “co”…

        *shrugs*

      • iamnotakata

        Probably not lol I tried to spell it in google and that’s what popped up. Oh I googled it again its actually this conniption

        • Val

          It’s one of those words that you always hear people say but you never seem to see in print. So it’s hard to know the true spelling.

    • The Champ

      the most popular comment there literally made me laugh aloud for 5 minutes

      “I eagerly await the follow-up piece: “IHTM: I was Just Trying to Do My Fucking Yoga and This Weird-Ass White Girl Kept Staring at Me with Tears in Her Eyes”

    • Msdebbs

      See people like her is why some people rather skip the gym all together. She should really consider taking a long walk on a short bridge…

    • Rachmo

      I take serious issue with you bringing this article into my life. I used to do yoga regularly and…wtf is wrong with this crazy woman? Now I’ve got to comment over there. Just fuckery I tell ya

      • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

        This ain’t a surprise. There’s this mistaken belief that the only bigots are Republicans and rednecks. This goes to show that racism is deep among the hipster set as well.

        • Rachmo

          I am mad taken aback. She must not realize she sounds insane.

          • afronica

            Yes, but have you heard the back story? On Twittah last night some chick said she knew the nutso yogi. Said chick’s 2520 boyfriend apparently left her last week to take up with an Indian (subcontinent) chick. This week, nutcase starts flipping in a yoga class on a woman darker of hue. Coincidence? You decide. Also, who knows if any of that is true.

            But it suuure is entertaining. And I suuure am ratchet for enjoying it. *cackle*

            • Rachmo

              Giiiiiiiiirlllll haha i am HERE FOR THIS

            • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

              Wow…I hope that ain’t true. That sounds like the old school lynchings that used to take place after some White lady found out her man jumped the fence, and now has to defend her honor. *smh*

        • TheHumanSpider

          Each, but that much could’ve been ascertained from some of the music they listen to. Have you’ve SEEN/HEARD some of the HIP-HOP they like?!

          • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

            Word! I think Black people need to realize that the game is chess, not checkers, and peep what those cats are trying to do.

  • http://testorshia.blogspot.com/ Testorshia Turner

    Discipline. (Feedback and Can’t B Good were my favorite tracks).

    Macklemore’s mediocrity is offensive, and the fact he’s being musically masturbated over by the masses just baffles me.

    That’s all I got o.o

    • PaddyfotePrincess

      I was going to say Damita Jo, lol.

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com/ Testorshia Turner

        Close, but no cigar! lol

        • PaddyfotePrincess

          Right…I’m going to check the track listing of Damita Jo because I can’t remember what was on it or when it came out.

          • Rachmo

            Was 20 YO after Danita Jo

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

              Yep- it was the album that Jermaine Dupri took it upon himself to produce. The problem was that his production was very out of tune with Janet’s sound on that album. It’s akin to the Trackmasters working with Nas on “It Was Written”.

              • Rachmo

                Yeah the last janet album I really liked was Damita Jo.

                • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                  That album would have done something if it weren’t for the fact the first single was a ballad. The only reason “I Want You” was released as the first single was that it was produced by Kanye and written by John Legend. Her label wanted to cash in on the successes of both of them.

                  • Rachmo

                    I agree. That song was a weird first single even though I LOVE that song.

            • PaddyfotePrincess

              Yes. I think she had a duet with Nelly on 20 YO.

          • Rachmo

            It’s pretty good :)

    • HRH Prince Farouk I

      Musically Masturbated, if ever there was an apt expression for this. lol

    • Sandpaper

      Hey Sweetheart!

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com/ Testorshia Turner

        *waves* Hey there! ^_^

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

      I liked “Discipline”- I felt Rodney Jerkins should have produced the whole album, in my opinion.

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com/ Testorshia Turner

        Agreed. I think the second she let JD take over, the plane started to fall from the sky.

    • OSHH

      I really loved “Rock with U” off the Discipline album, such a fun tune.
      Also really loved “Truly”, off Damita Jo, the interludes before and after that track too.

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com/ Testorshia Turner

        I still play China Love! *opens arms for hug* We kindred ^_^

    • Maris

      I want Feedback to die a fiery death. No one should be allowed to utter the words “I’m heavy like a first day period” ever ever.

      • Shamira

        I SAID THIS. Close second? “these chickens is ash and I’m lotion”

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com/ Testorshia Turner

        But…but…! >.> Okay, that one line is terrible.

      • Rachmo

        “Lightskin, dark skin, my Asian Persuasion” ???????????????????

  • Cheekie Mae

    I’m allergic to try-too-hards and Mackleless definitely gives me that vibe.

    I’m also allergic to mold.

    There may be a correlation.

  • Val

    I think Justin got over because Janet publicly excused him. If she’d gone hard after him then I think most Black folks would feel differently about him.

    And, some of us think Timberlake is overrated. He’s a lesser Usher or even Ne-Yo.

    • ratchet dialogue

      you and I are HERE. sooooo phakkin overrated it hurts my senses.

      • Sahel

        This will get quite amusing later in the day.Stay tuned

        • ratchet dialogue

          I’m tuned Botswana, like TURNT UP FOR What tuned.

          • Sahel

            Botswana??

            • ratchet dialogue

              yes……..

              • Sahel

                You are from the A.O ?

    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

      Personally, I think Justin Timberlake is more akin to a Sammy Davis Jr or Dean Martin type. He’s been making nods in that general direction. I wouldn’t be surprised if 10 years from now, he has a regular gig on the Las Vegas Strip.

    • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

      NeYo….let’s not go too far here

      • Val

        People talk junk about Ne-Yo but he’s a major talent. He writes hits, sings hits and dances.

        • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

          He blows it with production ie Red…Justin got timbaland making him opuses neyo still singing over simple piano chords and flow stick music

          • http://trulytafakari.com/ dtafakari

            but i rather like Ne-Yo’s hits.

            • HRH Prince Farouk I

              Did you mean hats? *runs away*

              • http://trulytafakari.com/ dtafakari

                lol! TOO-SHAY!

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

          A major talent who has the same problems as every other songwriter that decides to take the spotlight- they give their best material to other people (See also: Leon Ware and Rod Temperton).

          • Val

            Rod Templeton was an artist? I didn’t know that.

            • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

              He was the keyboard player and primary songwriter in Heatwave. So, if you like songs like “Boogie Nights”, “Always And Forever”, “The Groove Line” and “Mind Blowing Decisions”, you have him to thank for those.

              • TheHumanSpider

                “Star of a Story” is a personal favorite of mine…

                • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                  Did you hear the remake that neo-soul singer Grenique did? It was fantastic- and produced by Chico DeBarge:

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5zFDnRsVfA

              • kidvideo

                Since we are discussing popular 80s music producer/composures i like to shout out Giorgio Moroder…this guy produced some great music for 80s Flim / TV soundtracks and a whole lot more.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Moroder

                • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                  Giorgio Moroder low-key wrote the blueprint for the rise of EDM, but the casual music fan doesn’t know much about him. I was glad when Daft Punk gave him his shine.

                • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                  Giorgio’s work with Donna Summer and the Scarface Soundtrack will stand as classic material as part of his legacy.

      • IcePrincess

        Hey now whatchu talmbout I love ne yo! Leave him alone.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

      She publicly excused him and later blamed him for the fallout when her “Damita Jo” album flopped (Which wasn’t a bad album, by the way…).

      • Val

        Lol. Yeah but by the time she got around to trying to blame him no one was listening.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

          Wanna know why? By that time “FutureSex/LoveSounds” dropped…and all was forgiven, LMAO!!!!

      • Asiyah

        yeah, that’s why I think she only excused him because she thought he’d back her up. then he didn’t, so she retaliated.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

          And so began her descent into irrelevancy, LOL!

          • kidvideo

            U call it irrelevancy…i call them Tyler Perry films.

    • Asiyah

      She most likely publicly excused him because she didn’t think he would throw her under the bus. And yes, he’s overrated. I enjoyed Futuresex/Lovesounds, but I’m not going to consider him some musical genius or laud him for being a white boy with soul.

    • Shamira

      he’s a Rat Pack talent. Jack of all Trades, Master of None. Still love him though.

      • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

        I’m just waiting for the Vegas show though. Dude can end up on Wayne Newton status if he chooses.

      • Val

        I agree about master of none. Especially acting.

    • AAA

      It’s funny that the 10 year incident was referenced. I can’t lie there are a few songs of Justin’s I like, but because of what happened, I have never purchased a JT cd. But I’m just one person who took it personal and I would agree that it seems most black people have excused him.

  • PaddyfotePrincess

    I don’t get into to the awards show for this very reason. It seems to be a popularity contest in which quality is often overlooked.

    As far as Macklemore goes…just no.

    I’m not a big fan of Justin, but I caught him in concert with Jay-Z and he was pretty good.

  • Sane Nobles

    Macklemore isn’t trying too hard or fake, that’s just how it is out here in Seattle. He acts exactly like every other 2520 who grew up in black neighborhoods here. He and my brother-in-law could be the same person, give or take a few oxycodons. He’s not that far from 95% of the black men I know out here either.

    That said, I don’t get the hate. Yeah, his radio hits are more pop than rap, but I can say that about most rappers on the radio.

    I still think the man has talent and I appreciate his honesty in his music. I don’t get the hate, especially since I’ll listen to his music before I would Drake’s. *ducks flying objects*

    • TheHumanSpider

      I have no beef with his message, but

      It’s like a vegetable you dislike: You know it’s good for you, but it just doesn’t taste good. Not helping is that every news article worth a d@mn keeps shoveling this crap that this vegetable helps prevent some ailment when there are plenty of fruits that do the same thing but don’t get the same coverage.

      That analogy is Macklemore.

      • Sane Nobles

        I can see that. It’s how I feel about Beyoncé

        • TheHumanSpider

          Indeed, duke. Indeed.

    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

      So in other words, the City of Seattle is filled with nothing but cornball negroes.

      Well, perhaps it’s for the best that Russell Wilson is the starting quarterback for their football team. I saw him on TV at a Nets game and thought to myself “really? I mean…not sleeping on your skills on the field, but really?”

      • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

        I just hope he doesn’t go Trent Dilfer Sunday, I wanna see him be the reason they win if they do at all

      • TheHumanSpider

        As a beatmaking head, the city of Seattle doesn’t just have “cornball negroes.” Seattle is the city that houses beat maker Jake One.

        • panamajackson

          And who can forget Sir Mix-A-Lot. I mean…he brought us the best hip-hop song ever.

  • JayIzUrGod

    I listened to his album. I dug it. He clearly worked hard on it, and to an independent artist, his success is the ultimate fu ck you to the whole music industry (he even made a song called Jimmy Iovine dissing the whole industry).

    With that said, he is now a brand. And because of that, he’s worn out his welcome. But that’s what the industry does to you. Let a little shine come your way, and they make you feel like Superman, telling you to soak up all the yellow sun rays and be more powerful than anything ever. I can’t knock him for getting his money, but the mere fact that I hear his song used in an ad for New Jersey online gambling….is scary. And sad.

    Diss Macklemore if that’s what works for yall, but he really isn’t the problem. The industry and its undeniable pimping talents are the problem. He wouldn’t be in the position he is in if the industry didn’t make him the darling of 2013, and unfortunately for Kendrick, his story just happens to be a little too REAL and HOOD for old white dudes. And there will never be another Janet episode. Mainly because the female artists of today are too pu ssy to try that…and they already give us free peep shows.

    • Sahel

      Aha,Rihanna

      • JayIzUrGod

        I’m glad you figured it out

    • ratchet dialogue

      India Arie spoke VERY eloquently on this matter. ——->in reference to your last paragraph

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

        The only problem is that even though the was telling the truth, she was coming from a place of anger and bitterness. She’s still salty over being nominated for seven Grammys and took home virtually nothing that night.

        • ratchet dialogue

          Who cares that it was coming from a place of hurt??? She spoke nothing but the truth.

          • Epsilonicus

            Trying to organize around anger rarely works.

            • ratchet dialogue

              But she wasn’t trying to organize or rally anything. She just spoke on the issue.

      • JayIzUrGod

        I bet she did. She saw the trend since the first day she got on the music scene

    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

      Word. Macklemore, fairly or not, isn’t who he really is anymore. The fact that this process only took one album is the breathtaking part. Like let dude put out a second album before he becomes a cliche. LOL

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

        His second album is going to flop- trust me on this.

        • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

          He’s gonna be a singles rapper like Florida and pitbull

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

            Isn’t he becoming that already? LOL! I mean, his career centers solely around two songs- one about shopping at thrift stores and the other about pandering to the gay community.

            • Asiyah

              I haven’t heard either one of those two songs lol I’m so out of touch!

              Only heard one of his songs and that’s can’t hold us something like that

              • kidvideo

                I actually thought “Can’t hold Us” was a Kanye song…It sounds like “Turn up the Lights”.

            • Giovanni Rain

              I think the straights who flirt with each opportunity to advertise their support for gay marriage are worse than some homos themselves.

              • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                It makes you wonder if they are sincere or they are being opportunistic. In this situation, it’s very hard to tell.

          • http://trulytafakari.com/ dtafakari

            And the mainstream LOVES those two. Which I don’t get.

            • Val

              I get why Pitbull is popular. He makes really fun danceable tracks. But I’m with you on Flo.

        • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

          I could also see him being the hip-hop equivalent of New Kids on the Block. The last album they put out was actually a damn good R&B album…that went triple wood.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

            “The Block” was really good. It also helped that they had Polow Da Don and Teddy Riley doing most of the production.

            • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

              Polow Da Don produced that album? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

              • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                In fact, he did the second single- called…well… “Single”. Remember this one?

                Oh yeah, while you’re at it, please check out the solo debut from the lead singer Jordan Knight. Jam & Lewis and Robin Thicke produced that whole album. It will kill anything Justin Timberlake made easily.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US5fXXiWjSk

                • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                  I remember that album by Jordan Knight. For whatever reason, it didn’t pop off. I now have my homework…

                  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                    It did, actually. It went platinum. The problem was Interscope had a chance to market that album to an urban audience and dropped the ball on it. His solo album was pretty much an R&B record.

                    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                      All things considered, it was a disappointing album. NKOTB was a huge, known quantity, and this was the era where NSync was going double platinum in a week. You do have a point on the marketing.

                • Asiyah

                  Jordan had soul…for a white boy.

                  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                    He did have soul- which is why I didn’t understand how Interscope could have missed the opportunity to market him to an urban audience. It wasn’t like he was gonna fail.

                    • Asiyah

                      I get the feeling that mainstream America is scared of soul, for some reason.

                    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                      Which is why Justin Timberlake is famous, but James Morrison is not.
                      It’s also why Adele is famous, but Nikka Costa is not, either.

                    • afronica

                      Yeah, wtf happened to Nikka Costa? She’s got a web site and a few songs are up there, but she just fell down the rabbit hole. And that one CD of hers was really good.

                    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                      Here’s what happened: It’s the same thing that happened to Esthero and Jamiroquai. The record label tried to market her to everyone else except her intended fanbase.

                    • afronica

                      Hmmm. Weird because I also really like Esthero and Jamiroquai. Maybe niche groups like them need to band together, make their own quasi-label and provide each other with marketing, touring and distribution support.

                    • http://www.facebook.com/MentalMass MENTAL MASTURBATION

                      Black people. We love to support a soulful white person.

                    • http://adventurousdaydreamer.wordpress.com/ TerreaLatise

                      What about Remy Shand?

                    • Freebird

                      That white girl. Can sing.

        • Epsilonicus

          And even if it flops he making money bc he is independent.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

            People clown independent artists all the time, but you never hear about them going broke.

            • http://www.facebook.com/MentalMass MENTAL MASTURBATION

              This is true. Remember Khia? “My Neck, My Back.” She received a large share of the cash from her album and will never go broke. As an independent artist you may not push huge units, but your payday will be bigger and you won’t to sell as many albums.

              And must I bring up TLC and Toni Braxton who sold 10 million each….??

              • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                Not helping TLC and Toni Braxton either is they didn’t write most of their songs.

                • Epsilonicus

                  Hence why Toni went bankrupt the first time.

                  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                    Yeah, that and irresponsible spending habits.

                    • Epsilonicus

                      She was soooo gorgeous when I was growing up. I had the biggest crush on her.

                    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                      Me too…until I found out that she was 5’2″, LOL!

                    • Epsilonicus

                      Hahahaha! She not too short to kick it lol

                    • kidvideo

                      Whats your issue again?

                    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

                      I’m 6’5″- THAT is the issue!!! Short women generally don’t interest me.

                    • ratchet dialogue

                      She is still drop dead gorg, if you ask me.

                    • Epsilonicus

                      Amen!!!

      • JayIzUrGod

        Seriously thays what’s sad Todd. This dude is actually good at rapping, he actually has a love for his music, and hea already on the path to being a joke. I don’t even think his sophmore album will touch his debut because of the pressure he will bw under now.

        • http://www.facebook.com/MentalMass MENTAL MASTURBATION

          I call bulls*** on that. His rapping sounds like disjointed Spoken Word and he has zero stage presence. His domination of hip-hop via the Grammys, AMAs, and the other creme de la creme awards shows is purely political for the LGBT agenda.

          • JayIzUrGod

            If you say so. When i listened to the album, i heard something different rhan ehat you’re saying. But the time where he made the album, and the time.where Thrift Shop blew and made him a huge pop star are teo different things and points of time for him as an artist.

            I don’t like what he turned into but i know it isn’t fully his fault. The industry fid its magic and we all got tricked, but everybody is stuck on him when he isn’t the problem at.all. Hasn’t history taught yall this will happen over and over again? So why is anybody surprised? I don’t get it.

            • http://www.facebook.com/MentalMass MENTAL MASTURBATION

              I’m not surprised at all. Still disappointed at white, upper-middle class homosexuals promoting their agenda while marginalizing Black artists. That’s gonna always be disheartening whether we see it coming or not.

              • JayIzUrGod

                Which is why i say bring the heat to them.instead of the middleman like Macklemore

                • http://www.facebook.com/MentalMass MENTAL MASTURBATION

                  True!

            • ckthegreat100 .

              Nah, macklemore is trash

              • JayIzUrGod

                If you say so, i don’t think of him as great but i don’t think of him as wack either. Just in the middle

    • Omar

      The indie things seems a little overplayed since, his distribution company ADA is apart of Warner Bros Music Group, even if ADA focuses on independent artists their probably getting help from Warner Bros.

      Also frankly the grammy’s seems to love some white rappers, Eminem has like 7 studio albums since he signed with Dre, 5 have won grammys and the most recent will be in the running for next years grammy. For reference Jay-z only has like one.

      • Epsilonicus

        Em is a better rapper than Jay though…

        • Omar

          Em has these great moments but Jay puts together better whole albums and that’s the category in question.

          And Jay was just a reference point, the main point is that Eminem putting out an album seems to almost guarantee him a grammy, he is about 5 for 7 when one of the best rappers of our generation is 1 for 12. Even if you think Em is better, does anyone honestly believe he is THAT much better.

      • JayIzUrGod

        I don’t doubt skin politics don’t play a major role in this but to be clear, no matter the award, music wise if you put Jay vs Em, Em wins hands down everytime. Because he is willing to get personal and emotional, and people eat that up. It makes Em relateable. Jay will never be relateable in that way. Jay is my favorite rapper but even i can see people only see him a specific way, where as they can see Em.as an everyday man, despite being the most controversial rapper of all time.

        Macklemore & Ryan Lewis having an independent album makes for big news because they sold huge and all that money goes to them. They say the music industry is changing, their success proves that. Even if they are linked to Warner Brothers, they aren’t signed to them, and that’s what people take note on. Its the American dream, so damn right the Grammys jumped on that bandwagon

      • h.h.h.

        Also frankly the grammy’s seems to love some white rappers, Eminem has like 7 studio albums since he signed with Dre, 5 have won grammys and the most recent will be in the running for next years grammy. For reference Jay-z only has like one.

        *comes in from the cold*

        nah, bad example.

        Jay is one of my favorite artists, but Em is a better rapper, the only time a rapper outshin’d Jay on the same track was Em on Renegade…”Rap God” and “Bad Guy” off the last album solidifies his status

        • Upgrayedd

          Em is great, don’t get me wrong, but to say he is better than Jay is… misguided. Em does one thing better than Jay.

          • Epsilonicus

            Em, on a technical level, is a better rapper than Jay. Jay is better business and brand expert than Em.

            • Upgrayedd

              When I hear technical when talking about rap I hear rhyme patterns and tempo. Em can ride one out with the best of them and will spit 6 lines that all rhyme with each other following the same general construction and hit you with the double time tempo (like in rap God). T.I. is good at that too but doesn’t speed the tempo up as much. Jay is more conversational than that, but when he does it, her merks it and makes the intervals more nuanced free flowing like with “where I’m from” or “is that yo ‘chick’”. It’s more to the technicalities of rap than that though, and Jay is getting him on each of those.

        • Epsilonicus

          He went completely and utterly beast mode on “Rap God”

          I also heard Em will work on verses for months at a time. Puts time into his craft.

      • http://www.facebook.com/MentalMass MENTAL MASTURBATION

        Unpopular opinion: I never saw what was so great about Jay-Z as an emcee. He’s a great lyricist and all, but his passion and flow are nothing to write home about. I prefer southern emcees like Too Short, Outkast, Ludacris, and The Geto Boys.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

          Too Short is from Oakland. He’s been living in Atlanta since the late 90′s.

  • Rachmo

    My problem is I just don’t think he’s that good. Don’t get me wrong I TOO want to pop some tags with $20 in my pocket. But outside of that I don’t think his rhymes are worth all the accolades. My favorite part of “same love” is the lady singing bc her voice makes me tear up. So maybe my distaste is moreso genuine bafflement at all of his praise. Also Kendrick and Imagjne Dragons? YEEEEESSSS

    • Cheekie Mae

      I still maintain that the Kendrick/Imagine Dragons performance was the best thing to happen this week.

      • Rachmo

        I started watching that sitting down. All I needed was the “yawk yawk yawk yawk” to be on my feet and bobbing hard like Taylor Swift

        • ratchet dialogue

          I am a TSwift fan. Lawdhammercy! I’m so grateful to the heavens she didn’t win a grammy this year.

          • Rachmo

            I actually enjoy Tay Swift and yeah she’s gotten quite enough shine.

            • ratchet dialogue

              yap!! But, I do want her to stop writing her own songs. I want to hear something totally different, that has nothing to do with dumping guys. Even singing about her dog would be a welcome change.

              • Rachmo

                You know what I’m with you here.

            • Val

              Her performance at the Grammys was disturbing.

              • Sahel

                Why so,no pianos ?

                • Val

                  That crazy head banging she was doing.

              • Kema

                Lol! You didn’t like seeing her get her A Key’s on?

                • Val

                  Lol. Don’t even, Kema. AK has never performed like that.

            • 321mena123

              I don’t get the TS hate. Are people hating on her because she wins too much?

              • Rachmo

                I think it’s that and bc she comes off as prissy, privileged, and too girly for words. I have a friend like this and she’s all pink and romance everything. And much like Tay Swift’s Instagram shows when you get dumped she’ll be the first one to arrive with freshly baked cookies, the first one to send you a perfect engagement gift, and the last one to understand why you like video games.

              • Val

                No, that’s definitely not it.

              • CrayolaGirl

                I don’t hate TS but I can’t stand her “golly gee willikers, who me, I’m so surprised because I’m just an innocent little girl singing song” act. She keeps it up no matter where she is or how she talking to. I find myself always wondering what’s her real personality. I’ll never talk bad about her music just her lack of personality which comes off as fakeness.

                • Rachmo

                  I know someone exactly like this. She has a lack of personality but is a nice person (my friend not Tay Swift bc we’ve never hung out).

                  • CrayolaGirl

                    There’s nothing wrong with nice but in my experience, it takes a lot to hang with someone with no personality. You start feeling guilty because you want to invite other people or limit the amount of time you hang. Sad.

                    • Rachmo

                      Yeah it does take small doses. But it doesn’t detract from the fact that she’s a good person and a good friend. Just like Taylor is a good songwriter and a snappy dresser as of late (not directed towards you just general people who haaaate her)

          • Epsilonicus

            Taylor Swift needs someone to make her happy so she can stop making music.

            • Rachmo

              Sir, I have to disagree. Her songs “Our Song,” “Mine,” and “Tim McGraw” were beautiful love songs.

              • Epsilonicus
                • Rachmo

                  You can try and gif it away but she’s a great writer. Her more countryish albums were great albums, and “Red” showed a lot of growth. I know people don’t like her bc she’s “annoying” but ol girl is talented.

                  • panamajackson

                    I agree with you on Taylor Swift.

                    • Rachmo

                      She’s is a great writer and is treated like the anti Christ. Meanwhile all she does is date, bake, and write good songs. Let me go listen to “Trouble” again.

                    • afronica

                      She has the Anne Hathaway problem. People HATE her, but when you ask why, they just shrug and spit in her general direction. Ya, they’re both a bit precious, but so what? Let them live.

                    • Rachmo

                      AGREED! I think Anne Hathaway is a weirdo theater geek but still a great actress.

      • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

        Melo X Drunk in Lust >

      • Epsilonicus

        Imma disagree. The President went hard in the paint on Republicans last night. He has never been as aggressive.

        • Val

          Really? You think he was being aggressive? I think he was being pretty passive.

          • Epsilonicus

            Compared to other #SOTU addresses, yes. He basically told Congress what they won’t do, he will do. That has never happened. His tone and everything was more aggressive than normal.

            • Val

              I think he was saying, ‘okay, I give up,. I can’t get anything done for the most part so I’m just going to concentrate on using Executive Orders to do a few things. Otherwise I’m done’..

              • Epsilonicus

                I thin he has realized Congress is useless. Before he was always trying to cooperate. He should have been realized that those days are over.

                • Negro Libre

                  Well, at least he waited till 2014 to start thinking like that…6 months earlier and we would have been invading Syria.

                  • Epsilonicus

                    True story

        • Cheekie Mae

          Playing the Kendrick/Imagine Dragons mash-up over the SOTU speech >>>>>>>>>

    • Val

      He picked a topic Hollywood thinks is cool at the moment.

      • Upgrayedd

        I don’t know if it’s fair, but some think he might be exploiting a topic. Would have been a lot braver 5 years ago.

        • Val

          It would have been even more brave if a major Black artist had made a song like that. As far as him exploiting the topic, of course he is. That’s what Hollywood does.

          • Sahel

            The fact that any artist did is what matters from my point of view. I doubt he is exploiting the topic,hollywood brought us the L word.

            • Val

              The L Word was definitely exploitation.

              • Sahel

                I dunno Val. I know you will get on soapbox with this,but that got the convo going.

                • Val

                  Maybe you’re misunderstanding my use of the word in this instance. Exploitation happens all the time. Usually though only one party gets something. But, sometimes both the exploiter and exploited get something. In the case of this song and the L Word both parties got something.

              • kidvideo

                Yeah…it exploitated my willingness to watch Jennifer Beals to make out with other women…
                Bow Chicka Wow Wow….indeed.

                • Val

                  She’s the main and maybe the only reason I watched the show.

      • Rachmo

        Yeah the song isn’t for me bc it seemed very weird. Like the first verse spent too much time on whew I’m not gay just bc I clean my room

        • Val

          At first I went back and forth about that verse. I thought, well, I guess he’s just saying that he’s a str8 ally and that it’s okay to be str8 and to stand up for LGBT equality. But, then I’d be, well, does he really need to qualify whether he’s str8 or not. Seems a little homophobic.

          Now, it just bothers me.

        • kidvideo

          It would have been more clever if he said he kept his closet clean…but i think eminem used a similar line before.

    • Sahel

      Kendrick and Imagine Dragons reminded me of Jay and Linkin Park

      • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

        I’d be here for a mash up album…as long as its not like that trash luda and sum 41 tried to toss out there

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/pervertedalchemist1 Perverted Alchemist

          And they are labelmates at Interscope- so it could happen a lot sooner than you think…

        • Epsilonicus

          That Luda/Sum 41 music was God awful…

    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

      Word. Macklemore isn’t bad as much as mediocre. If he didn’t win those Grammys, I’m not sure I’d remember who he is without someone prompting me.