“Love on Top,” and Other Contemporary Classics (Yes. I just called “Love on Top” a classic. Deal with it.)

Along with coming up with reasons — any reason — to stay in the house (ie: “I’m good with the club tonight, man. Need to watch The “Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives” marathon later on“), and going to hoop and spending more time warming up and stretching than you actually do playing, one of the strangest parts of getting old(er) is the mind-blowing experience of remembering something like it just happened yesterday, checking to see when it really did happen, and learning that it actually happened like 2000 yesterdays ago.

For instance, do you realize that Destiny’s Child’s “Say My Name” was released 13 years ago? And, “No, No, No” was released 14 years ago? I mean, I remember those videos and listening to those songs on the radio. I remember the debates we’d have in the cafeteria about whether Destiny’s Child was the first girl group where each member was a dime (The verdict? No. That title belongs to En Vogue) and if it was even cool to argue about stuff like that because we didn’t know if each member was technically legal yet. (Remember, this occurred before Huny invented the internet. Couldn’t exactly go to Wiki and read a lie about Beyonce’s exact age). I even remember how both of the women I was seeing at the time would listen to “Say My Name” whenever they took showers. (Apparently, even a college-aged Champ was already into emo Black girls)

Anyway, I’m bringing this all up because the fact that “Say My Name” was released 13 years old kind of puts a hole in the “Beyonce’s music aint going to be relevant 20 years from now” argument. It’s still a song people know and (occasionally) listen to, and it’s not too far-fetched to think that they still will seven years from now. And, while most (myself included) don’t necessarily think of the Thundergoat as being an artist who has produced “classic” material, her prolificness and the fact that she’s headed towards a two decades-long reign at the top of the charts ensures that she definitely has. 30 years from now, people still will be listening to Beyonce’s music at birthday parties, baby showers, and cabarets. Deal with it.

And, while we’re here, you know what else we have to come to terms with? The fact — not opinion. fact — that “Love on Top” may have the most staying power of any R&B song released in the last 10 years.

Seriously, I’ve been going out to clubs, parties, and bars now for 15 years. In that time, I have never seen a contemporary song make every woman in the club react the way they do when “Love on Top” comes on. Aside from a leaked nude pic of Idris Elba, there is no other object that can make Black women more collectively f*cking happy.

It’s not just the women either. Usually, when a popular R&B track from a female artist plays in the club, the guys either head to the bar or try to play it cool even though they know they’d bob their heads and mouth the words if they were listening to it in the car. “Love on Top” inspires no such pretense. I’ve seen it make guys — guys so thug they’d make Beanie Sigel look like Miguel — bounce in their seats while shamelessly attempting to hit each one of Beyonce’s keys. Everyone responds to this shit. Everyone. And, the song’s relentlessly infectious happinessit practically shanks you in the gut with its “You will f*cking smile while listening to this song” sentiment — makes almost certain this will be a song we’re still listening to when we finally put a Chick-fil-A on Mars.

Now, as you may have realized, I’m definitely not one of those people who steadfastly believes that the current era has produced absolutely nothing that will stand the test of time. I think there have been numerous recent movies, songs, albums, TV shows, and even individual sports seasons that could and should be deemed “classics.”

You already know that I believe “Love on Top” will reach this status. I’m curious, though. People of VSB.com, can you think of anything else created in the 21st century that you feel should be deemed a classic? Any current songs that you’ll be listening to at your retirement party? Any shows that will be talked about for decades the way “All in The Family” has been? Any contemporary movies that’ll make Roger Ebert’s “Best Ever” list in 30 years? Any current sports stars that will definitely be remembered as an all-time great?

The floor is yours.

—Damon Young (aka “The Champ”)

528 thoughts on ““Love on Top,” and Other Contemporary Classics (Yes. I just called “Love on Top” a classic. Deal with it.)

  1. “Irreplaceable”- Classic-even though I hate the premise.
    “Single Ladies”-Classic
    “Independent Women”-Classic
    Plus at least a dozen bangers that will fill any dance floor at any time.
    I am not a Beyonce fan. I’m a rap fan. But to deny Beyonce has staying power is ridiculous.
    Cue the “over smart”, “I just prefer ‘artists’ ” HATERS.

  2. I really hope “Love on Top” doesn’t become a classic. Classics usually pave the way for future artists because they try to mimick the previous generation. And in the case if imitating Beyonce (in regards to her more recent material), we need less screaming/yelling and more singing.

    In terms of 21st century classics, I think Alicia Keys’ “Fallin’” and/or “If I Ain’t Got You” should be on the list. Couldn’t go anywhere without hearing those songs when they hit.

  3. The songs Get Low and Some Cut are classics….Get Low turns 10 in February and Some Cut will turn 10 soon after that. Current song that I know I will be listening to later in my life: Blessed by Schoolboy Q and K.Dot and Bad Religion by Frank Ocean.
    Sports stars that will be Hall of famers: LBJ, KD, Ray Lewis

  4. This is the same argument that I have with people who hate Lil’ Wayne-
    I am not a big Wayne fan but he’s been out since 1997. He has mass quotables. He has huge albums. He steals the scene in every song he’s on and he’ been around for 15 years. Your favorite rapper hasn’t been around for 15 years and if he has, he’s not selling out Arena tours. He’s doing club gigs and rapping to half filled rooms full of college aged white kids.
    Wayne has staying power.

    • “Your favorite rapper hasn’t been around for 15 years and if he has, he’s not selling out Arena tours. He’s doing club gigs and rapping to half filled rooms full of college aged white kids.”

      Shawn Corey Carter would like to have a word with you…

      • Word. What amazes me about the Jiggaman is that he’s managed to evolve with the times without sounding trendy or without really changing his style much. Even Busta Rhymes (who believe it or not is pushing 25 years) sounds a LOT different now than when he came out. He’s still hot, just not the same dude. The Jiggaman has been pushing his D-boy flow and keeping current with the same flow since 1995. Wow…

        • There are obvious exceptions to the rule but the exceptions make the rule. The same people that think Wayne is overrated, don’t like Jay Z, Busta, Snoop, or Cube. I’m talking about the people that name some obscure rapper who you’ve barely heard of and that nobody that you know likes.

          • “The same people that think Wayne is overrated, don’t like Jay Z, Busta, Snoop, or Cube”

            Wrong! I think Lil’ Wayne is overrated and have the entire discographies of Jay, Busta, Snoop and Cube!

            • Women on this site seem to have a problem with generalizations. Maybe you hate wayne and love the others but there are a group of rap of fans that don’t include you that hate all of them and think MF Doom and Cunninglinguist are the best rappers ever to grace a microphone. This particular example may not include you but if you get enough people talking about a generalization it will not include someone at some point and time.

            • I too think Lil Wayne is the trashiest garbagey refuse of rappers and single handedly misled millions of rap connoisseurs with his interspersed bars of nonsensical half rhyming.
              I too own every album from Cube, Jay, Busta, Ghostface, Tupac, Rakim, Eminem & Nas. If I don’t know or understand rap, then I doubt it is possible for anybody else to understand rap.

              Beyond my preference, there is a reverence for talented production, well placed & well timed lyricism. What I am saying is, the classics from this last decade were mostly slept on– but here is the big breaking news interruption: as usual.

        • There are obvious exceptions to the rule but the exceptions make the rule. The same people that don’t like Wayne are the same ones that don’t like Jay, Busta, Snoop, and Cube. I’m talking about the people that name some obscure rapper who you’ve barely heard of and nobody that you know likes.

  5. Newcomer here! Not sure what audience this site caters too…but so far I love it! Recent college grad here ;)

    Anywho, I liked the song when it first came out, but now I turn the station as soon as it comes on. I most def feel that “Party Rock” is a song that will be played at my retirement party!

    As for tv shows, there are no good “family” shows anymore…everything is reality.

  6. Andre 3000 – Hey Ya!

    Personal songs played at my retirement will just be Madlib and Jay Dee.

    I don’t really watch all that much television so I can’t say which ones will have staying power outside the obvious choice. I really love Parenthood, Treme, and Generation Kill. Then there’s a bunch of cartoons like Samurai Jack, Symbionic Titan, Adventure Time, and Regular Show.

    These are the recent movies that have broken me.
    Hong Sang-soo’s Woman is the Future of Man
    Abderrahmane Sissako’s Bamako
    Lee Chang-dong’s Oasis
    Peter Watkin’s La Commune (Paris, 1871)
    Richard Linklater’s Waking Life

    • I love Treme. Since critical acclaim and popular appeal seem to be mutually exclusive concepts when it comes to entertainment and art, I wonder if that series falls into the former category.
      I adore your taste in movies. Tell me about where you live for movies came from.

      • Well, I live in NYC so every movie comes here. :D But, I saw all of those thanks to my library excluding Waking Life which I’ve caught on TV and online multiple times.

        If you mean where the directors come from Hong Sang-soo and Lee Chang-dong are South Korean, Richard Linklater is American, Peter Watkins is British, and Abderrahmane Sissako has duel homelands of Mali and Mauritania.

  7. Oh, I REALLY love that song. You can feel her feelin’ her man. I thought about this song when I watch the rerun of The Temptations movie or The Jacksons movie on Vh1. WHich comes on every other week just about. LOL. This is one of those Holland-Dozier-Holland type cuts.

  8. Single Ladies. It will be played at weddings for the bouquet toss for years to come. Confessions (album), Crazy in Love, Speakerboxx/The Love Below.

  9. My music classics in no particular order
    -”confessions” by usher
    -”songs in a minor” Alicia keys
    -”Illmatic” Nas
    -”The emancipation Of mimi”Mariah Carey
    -”The cool” Lupe Fiasco
    -”Get rich it or die trying” 50 cent
    -”Still dre” Dr dre
    -”Fan mail” Tlc
    -”Never say never” Brandy
    -”Velvet rope” Janet Jackson
    -”College dropout” Kanye West
    -”Tha Carter III ” Lil Wayne
    Those are some of my classics as far albums go

        • When Beyonce first went solo, I was a straight up Beyonce hater. Over the years, I think her voice has gotten better, she’s puts on a helluva live performance, and she definitely has shown staying power. I am no longer a Beyonce hater but I am not a Beyonce fan. Until last year, a search for “Beyonce” in my extensive iTunes collection would only pull up a song Jay-Z or Kanye song she was featured on.

          I say all of that to say this…. I friggin’ LOVE Love On Top. Everything that The Champ said is true. You cannot be unhappy when it is playing. I went to iTunes and actually purchased this song (I’m the queen of free downloads). It has an old school 70s feel to it. I checked extensively b/c I just KNEW it had to be a cover or something. Plus, when I hear it, I can’t help but think of when she told the world she was pregnant at the MTV VMAs during her live performance. This Beyonce non-fan thinks her dropping the mic and rubbing her belly and Jay-Z in the crowd with the HUGEST smile and beaming with pride was the most adorable display of Black Love since the Obama’s fist bump heard round the world. So if you haven’t heard the song, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rggp_zkJaIw

          • Ok. I have to agree to disagree here. Working the pregnancy announcement into the act… That for me was a definite “HAM” moment — as in: what a ham! The song to me is only good with the remix track and it has too much of a retro feel for me to consider it a classic.

          • ***Newcomer***

            I could not agree more with your post. It’s almost as if you climbed into my head and wrote out my thoughts. Not a hater, but not a fan, for sure.

      • Hey, you’re in good company. I ain’t never heard that is either. If a Bey song is on I’ll listen to it and sway my hips a bit. But I for sure don’t seek her out.

  10. Here is the thing about music. A classic song or one that people will listen to 10 or 20 years later is not necessarily a good or great song. For instance, people who were adults in the 1970′s listen to music from that era. Many of those songs were basically crappy disco songs but bring back memories to those people.

    And that brings me to Beyonce.

    I’m pretty sure people will be listening to her music 10 or 20 years from now. And for those who came of age when these songs were released, they will enjoy listening to them. but that does not mean that Beyonce’s music will ever be considered great or even good.

    In other words, Beyonce’s music is the disco music of our era.

  11. My list of classics:
    Tupac’s entire catalog
    Outkast’s entire catalog
    Mac Dre’s entire catalog
    Ready to Die- Bigge
    Doggystyle- Snoop
    The Chronic- Dre
    I Pledge Allegiance to the Grind I & II- Killer Mike
    The Low End Theory- Tribe
    Midnight Marauders- Tribe
    Onyx- Onyx
    Maxwell’s Urban Hang Suite- Maxwell
    Jodeci’s entire catalog
    TM 101- Jeezy
    Return to the 36 chambers- Ol Dirty
    Enter the Wu- Wu Tang
    Ice Cream Man- Master P
    Federal- E-40
    In a Major Way- E-40
    Illmatic- Nas
    As Nasty as they wanna be- 2 Live Crew
    Love Deluxe- Sade
    E 1999- Bone
    Radio and Bigger and Deffer- LL
    and 100 other albums.

    I think I went about this the wrong way. I just love too much music.

  12. Of all of Bey’s songs, I think “Party” is the only classic. It actually made my sexy bish, gettin’ ready to go out playlist (right along with “Milkshake” and “Nasty Girl”…don’t judge”).

    • YES!!!!!!! Now that’s on my list of Beyonce classics. Since I’m in that age group where I have to hype myself up to go out, I can’t even imagine looking through my closet without hearing Beyonce croon: “We like to party!”

      And “Freakum Dress.”

  13. Movies- Gladiator, Troy, The Dark Knight. Inception maybe?

    TV Shows- Modern Family. I loooove Game of Thrones but season 2 was so meh. No classic for it.

    Sports Star- Michael Phelps.

  14. My girlfriend is significantly younger than I am and she doesn’t understand my taste in music. Music is the soundtrack to you life but sometimes you had to have been there to understand it’s appeal. She doesn’t understand the importance of things like the movie Love Jones or the music of Maxwell. I told her “If you were hanging in coffee houses and listening to poetry like a lot of us were in 1996, you’d understand” She was unimpressed with the explanation.

      • She probably can’t grasp the significance of LJ because 25 minutes in she is sleeping. That is one of the slowest movies…EVER.

        • And you are how old? Sorry the robots didn’t shoot missles into the starship while destroying the streets and befriending the small child. We need more loud movies about robots. *Snickers*-I am sorry Love Jones wasn’t that kind of movie.

          • LOL. Aight, Uncle. Check my classic worthy movies, homie. ** Shaw Shank Redemption, Girl Fight, and Lumumba. I didn’t even see Avatar (which I’m actually not proud of….But I digress.)

            • Here’s proof I dig good stories more than action in a movie. I feel asleep at the show this afternoon watching the new Dark Knight movie. I thought it was wack and passed out 45 minutes into it.

    • I was a senior in high school when Love Jones came out. You couldn’t tell me that wasn’t what I wanted my adult life to be like. lol

  15. - Everything Kanye drops because he’s a f*cking genius, living legend, and already in the Top 5 Hip-Hop Artists of all time.

    - The Matrix
    - The Avengers (film)
    - Nas’s “Life Is Good” (which I’m glad was awesome because let’s face it, dude had been living off of the hype of “Illmatic” for over a decade)
    - Jay-Z’s Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint, and The Black Album. Throw American Gangster in too if only for the song “I Know”.
    - Every Eminem album save for “Encore”
    - Drake’s Take Care
    - Lauryn Hill’s Miseducation
    - Fugees’s The Score
    - Childish Gambino’s Camp album
    - Slumdog Millionaire
    - Inception
    - The Lion King

    - Frank Ocean’s Channel Orange
    - The Weeknd’s “Balloons” Trilogy
    - Domo Genesis & The Alchemist’s collab mixtape No Idol
    - Superbad (my favorite comedy of all time)
    - Friends With Benefits (my favorite romantic comedy ever)
    - American Pie
    - Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy
    - Nearly everything Beyonce touches
    - Lil Wayne who’s in my Top 10, DOA
    - Da Drought 3, Lil Wayne’s best body of work, imo.

    • Add:

      - 300
      - Harry Potter franchise
      - Outkast’s ATLiens, Aquemini, Stankonia, and Speakerboxxx/Love Below

      There’s more, but these were what came off top.

    • I am not a fan of Slumdog Milionaire and Friends with Benefits. In Friends, they fun of the rom-com genre, but then do exactly what they just fun of. I left 3/4 thru the movie, thats worse than watching the whole movie and not liking it. In slumdog, the chick came out looking like golddigger. She aint messing with no broke n****.

  16. Long-time lurker, second time commenter.

    Classics from this generation will include:
    1) Back That Ass Up by Juvenile (even though it took over for the 9,9 & the 2000);
    2) Yeah & Confessions by Usher (bury that entire album a G);
    3) Never Let Me Down* by Kanye (& the entire College series – 808s + MBDTF);
    4) Love on Top, as stated. Funny, because I remember a similar Twitter war on this very tune from a month or so ago.

    *I acknowledge this is a personal favorite.

  17. A few weeks ago, “Ooooooohhh…On the TLC Tip” turned 20, and I believe MC Hammer’s album is about 22 years old. I don’t if they’ll make it another 20 years, but “Baby Baby Baby” and “Can’t Touch This” made it longer than I’m sure most folk expected. And “Straight Outta Compton is 25. “F*ck The Police” is a classic

      • Same here! Well . . . it was a tape and my mom bought it. It was the first album I actually wanted for myself instead of just listening to whatever the people around me were listening to. I still listen to it at least once a month.

    • “Baby baby baby” isn’t surprising. It’s one of those songs that’s simple and doesn’t try too hard. Plus the video is very underrated. And Hammer at his peak was one of the best stage presences ever. The songs are mediocre, but MC Hammer had it the way few entertainers ever had.

      • “And Hammer at his peak was one of the best stage presences ever.”

        I don’t care what anyone says, but TO THIS DAY….his concert was the best performance I’ve EVER seen.

  18. My picks for classics:

    Alicia Keys – Songs in A Minor (Album)
    Amy Winehouse – Back To Black (Album)
    M.I.A. – Arular (Album)
    Esperanza Spalding – Esperanza (Album)

    People will def be listening to these albums 20 years from now.

  19. I picked songs that I think most people have heard.

    -”Fallin’/Diary/If I Ain’t Got You” – Alicia Keys (I stan for her…so what. I see you Val ;-) )
    -”I Wish” – Carl Thomas
    -”The Light” – Common
    -”A Long Walk” – Jill Scott
    -”Just Friends (Sunny) – Musiq Soulchild
    “I Like The Way You Move – Outkast (This album is classic)
    “Confessions” – Usher (the whole album)
    - Much of Kanye’s catalog
    -”Single Ladies” – Beyonce (Even though I don’t think this song is special in any way, it’s infectious. I’ve seen babies dancing to this, and I think people will continue to dance to it for years to come)

    This is all I can come up with now. After struggling with this list, it’s safe to say I really miss music from the 90s.

      • Yes, I stan for some ‘Licia. Of course, some people don’t like her anymore, but I don’t give an eff…I’m there at every concert I can get tiks to.

    • ““Confessions” – Usher (the whole album)”

      OMG! I love this album. I danced in many a rainstorm donning nothing but blue jeans and open button-up shirts because of this album. Crooning to absolutely nobody.

    • “-”I Wish” – Carl Thomas
      -”The Light” – Common
      -”A Long Walk” – Jill Scott
      -”Just Friends (Sunny) – Musiq Soulchild
      “I Like The Way You Move – Outkast (This album is classic)”

      Yep- everything else on the list? Not so much…

      • True story: a year ago, I bought tickets to see El Debarge in concert. Of course, that was when he relapsed, so they had to replace him with Musiq. I was lightweight salty until Musiq hit the stage. He put on one heck of a show….and I developed a tiny crush on him.

        And tiny is the right adjective, since I’m like a foot taller than him.

        • You too, K. Marie?!?!?! Here I am all hyped up to see El Debarge (been nursing this musical crush since childhood, don’t judge me), and here they come sliding Musiq in…I was prepared to give side eye all night, but Musiq did his thing, though he was having significant trouble keeping his skinny jeans pulled up. But once he started the opening to HalfCrazy, I was sold.

          And you’re right, he is an extremely tiny individual.

          • Girrrrrrrrl, I was HURT!!!!! I dang near broke down in my office when my homegirl sent me a text message about it! But yeah, Musiq’s live performance is off the chain. I loved the way he flowed from one hit to the next!

        • Musiq is the definition of underrated. He has tons of hits but NOBODY ever mentions him. I’m not saying they don’t mention him in the top 10 they don’t mention him at all. Like he never came out or had a career. Bravo.

          Musiq- Love- has been added to the classics.

          • You are NOT lying!!! I own all of his albums. I don’t even listen to the radio but will check his website to see if has dropped a new album and when he does, I buy it without listening to one track first. His voice is amazing. LOVE him.

  20. I HATE love on top! but i dont like most r&b in general. blasphemy, i know. i do however believe that adele’s 21 will be played forever. She went IN on that album.

  21. The explanation of the reaction to “Love on Top” reminds me of a similar reaction experienced with Lauryn Hill’s Doo Wop (That Thing), even thought it is 2 years too early for the 21st Century mark. I’m a little older than some folk here, but at an after-set with Sorors, Bruhs and other folks that song came on when it was hot and the place went wild. Bruhs was hoppin’ on tables, Sorors, were singing and dancing, the entire party was signing the song at the top of their lungs and after the song played, we played it again and did the same dayum thing! #GoodTimes

    Other Classic Material:
    Cherchez La Ghost-Ghostface
    Bilal, that entire First Born Album (Soul Sista, Sometimes, Fast Lane, Love It, When Will You Call)
    Deadly Medley-Black Milk feat. Royce da 5’9 and Elzhi
    Hip Hop-Dead Prez
    BM’s-Del tha Funky Homosapien
    Just Like Music-Eric Sermon
    Mash’s Revenge-MF Doom & Guilty Simpson (Dilla Beat)
    Epiphany (I’m Leaving)-Chrisette Michele
    Mr. Radio-Chrisette Michele
    Jill Scott’s catalog
    Verbal Clap-De La Soul

    TV:
    The Wire
    Chapelle Show
    Boondocks

    Movies:
    Harold and Kumar Go To White Castle-Stoner comedy classic
    Shottas-Hood B-Movie Classic
    Miracle at St. Anna-WWII, black contribution classic
    Kill Bill 1 and 2-Action Vendetta Classic
    V for Vendetta-Political Graphic Novel Classic
    League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-Action/Thriller Graphic Novel Classic
    Avengers & The Dark Knight-Comic Book Movie Classics
    Book to Movie classics-Harry Potter Series, Hunter Games, Dragon Tattoo Series (Swedish films too, not only the US one)
    Afro Punk-Music Documentary Genre Classic
    The Freshest Kids and Planet B-Boy-Dance/B-Boy Documentary Classic

    • Love on Top is my jam. But when Bey slows down I just can’t. Dangerously is quite possibly my least favorite Beyonce song.

  22. Future “Classics” (i.e. stayin power of 20+ years per Champ’s definition):

    Cupid Shuffle – Cupid
    Unbreakable – Alicia Keys
    The Wobble
    Dark Knight trilogy
    Inception
    Kobe Bryant
    Lebron James
    Joseph Gordon-Levitt
    Anne Hathaway
    Kevin Durant
    Jonah Hill
    Usain Bolt
    Michael Phelps
    Venus and Serena (though they are kinda considered classics now along with Tiger)
    The Game and it’s decline
    Living Single/Martin/Fresh Prince/A Different World (all of whom are approaching their 20s)
    Keke Palmer (depends on how her career goes; she’s got great potential)
    Kanye West

    That’s all I can think of now

    • Joseph Gordon-Levitt, The reason” 500 days of summer” is on my top five films to watch on repeat. He is having,finally, a breakout season, and I’m loving it. Probably the only skinny short dude I rock with, plus love him on the latest GQ mag cover.

      • Good one with 500. Everybody was talking about that movie! Dudes were all like “that was dead wrong.” But almost every woman I spoke with said “she told him no commitment from the jump!” The party with the fiancé was ill though….

        • That whole split screen scene was so much truth it hurt my soul. That and the scene on the bench.

          I have loved JGL since “Third Rock from the Sun”.

  23. Mario’s “Let Me Love You” and John Legend’s “Ordinary People” are two R&B songs from the aughts that are classic songs that are going to stand the test of time.

    The thing about “Love On Top”, aside from it being that “happy” song, is that it’s forever linked to that moment with a pregnant Beyonce on stage rubbing her belly and Jay looking on with Kanye patting him on the back. That was a real moment…and every time I hear that song, I’m hearkened back to that place where you encapsulate these megastars in a moment where they’re genuinely overcome with joy.

    That rarely happens. And that association helps to make an already good song a great one.

  24. TV show= That 70′s Show

    Movie = Black Swan

    Song = Rehab

    Sports Star = Serena Williams

    Word = (effin) Bling

    Drink = Moscato

  25. I think that a classic is a song that was released before your time, you hear on the radio or on tv or something and you feel the urge to find out more about it. Because of our natural proclivities for nostalgia, listening to music from our childhood/teenage years to me doesn’t count as a classic, it’s just a song we remember and brings up good times for us. To me, a classic is something like let’s get it on or sexual healing, because as a child of immigrants, I didn’t grow up with that music at all but when I hear it, it resonates with me somewhere and I’m drawn to it. I do agree that love on top has that ability, but definitely not those earlier destiny child songs you named. Independent women is annoying! Say my name, eh, I still like it, but I think it’s more a product of my generation and where I was at my life in that point (I.e. a little girl who thought they were awesome)

    Classics span generations. Neither my parents nor my children will be fans of say my name. Everyone can be a fan of Love on Top or other songs like Dance with my Father that have been labelled classics.

  26. Music wise:
    -Linkin Park: Faint, Breaking the Habit, Somewhere I Belong, in the End, Lost in the Echoes,Numb, iridescent (let me stop here for before I lose it!)
    -Frank Ocean: Pyramids, Bad religion,pink matter, thinking about you, swim good
    -The Weeknd: the zone, outside, initiation, the birds part 1

    Movies
    -the Matrix
    -The Avengers
    -the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises
    -Inception
    -Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
    -LOTR – specifically Return of the King
    - Harry Potter – specifically parts 1 and 2 of the Deathly Hollows

    TV
    -Game of Thrones
    -the Big Bang Theory
    -the Daily Show/the Colbert Report
    -The Boondocks
    -Robot Chicken

    Anime
    -Bleach (no fillers!)
    -Naruto(no fillers!)
    -Gunslinger girl (only the first season)
    -Ghost in the Shell 2nd gig
    -Gankutsuou
    -Fullmetal alchemist:Brotherhood

    Sports
    -the Federer/Nadal dominance
    -the Williams sisters dominance

  27. Training Day, Menace to Society, Hustle n Flow, Jay Z most albums, Kanye Spiderman 1, Fantastic Mr Fox City of God, One Week, Lincoln Heights, Barber Shop 1, The Bourne movies, Pink Friday yeah I said it

    • And I listened to DJ quick Way to funky the other day that thur is classic. Musiq soulchild one of the best writers ever his stuff classic too. Jagged Edge to everything they put out

  28. love love..love on top..it takes me to a happy place.do not know about classics, but here are songs and Albums i listen do not tire of;
    Powerless- Nelly Furtado
    Cry- faith hill
    Picture- Kid Rock & Sherly crow,
    Confessions- Usher
    Everything- Micheal Buble
    Kelly Clarkson- Second Album
    Abba- All
    Brandy’s Old Albums
    Adele- 21…well i could go on

    and i think Alicia keys sucks musically..her live performances…like WTF she’s pretty though

    • No…but to those who had a few babies while playing ” Neighbours know my name/Sex ain’t better than love/Sex room wid Luda & I invented sex” he wil be remembered for the next 21yrs…Just saying.

  29. Songs, right now what I can think of is Intl Players Anthem by UGK and Outkast. That will be played when and if this young man decides to get hitched. There are probably a lot more but that’s all I got folk

    • I’m on the fence on that one. While it was a great comeback song for UGK, but compared to all of the other classic records they had that one is a drop in the bucket.

      Overall, I’m sad about the event surrounding the song. UGK had their biggest radio record was was set for a great comeback, only to have Pimp C die a few months later.

      Oh, and did anyone catch the former child actor Lukas Haas in the “International Player’s Anthem” video? (He was the lone white guy in the wedding ceremony).

      • I feel you on this. UGK is one of the few Southern groups that I really feel, and I generally don’t mess with cats with huge Southern followings. My bro put me onto them while he was in jail in Texas, and I like their flow. It took me a minute to figure out where they were coming from, but once I did, I liked. If only Pimp C would have put down that sizzurp…

      • “Overall, I’m sad about the event surrounding the song. UGK had their biggest radio record was was set for a great comeback, only to have Pimp C die a few months later.”

        Yup.

  30. Everyone here is stating things they feel are classic to them personally, and not stuff that is actually classic. Music that will have people listening for years and years to come. Here is the list of R&B songs that actually are modern day classics from 2000-present:

    John Legend- Ordinary People
    Jill Scott- A Long Walk
    Carl Thomas- I Wish
    Tamia- Stranger In My House
    Toni Braxton- Just Be A Man About It
    Musiq Soulchild- Love
    Musiq Soulchild Dontchange
    Amerie- 1 Thing
    Ginuwine- Differences
    Anthony Hamilton- Charlene
    Kindred The Family Soul- Far Away
    Calvin Richardson- Keep On Pushin’

    • Kindred The Family Soul

      Now you just picked something only a true soul/hip-hop head knows about. Yes I’ve seen them everytime they hit the shores ( and international ones also, like these Bey stans I rock hard for KTFS). But few know they are alive, sad but very true.

      • That’s mostly because Kindred The Family Soul is a group where people know their songs, but may not know their name. If you played any of their songs for people right now, there’s a chance they may know the words. But ask them for a name? You’d be hard pressed to find a few that do.

        • Maybe in your region of the water, but I could hold game show cards with flashing bulbs and noone is batting an eye. KTFS holds no merit as a crossover hit or something that will be remembered. Even with the Snopp Lion feature and Mr Cherry directed videos, the people just don’t get it, to let them head into those charts postions long enough, for them to be a three word and a chorous ” I know and love dis tuneeeeee”. memory.

          You’ve now made me sad on my day off thanks PA

    • Amerie 1 Thing. The video were I swear i’m in the video at the back, with the curly short hair, and thick calves after all those bodypumps classes ;-) . I know everyone is actually focused on Jamacia’s big ass and dance moves, but you wil see me. Classic hit which still gets played every Friday morning in my room (one day of the week I HAVE to wear heels).

    • I may have have a small crush on you now bc you listed Musiq Soulchild. His voice is beautiful and Love is a classic!!!! The words to that song are just breathtaking.

    • First, shouts to DJ Jazzy Jeff, whose understates influence is all over this list. Also, does anyone understand how someone like Amerie could put out so many good singles and not figure out an album? I don’t get it…at all.

    • I was so going to put “Ordinary People” on my list, but I was trying to keep it short. But, that’s one of the best written songs of this century. Hands down.

      And add “Mama’s Gun” by E. Badu….CLASSIC! I love how there are no breaks in the music on this album.

  31. Now when I think of classic I think of the efect Nirvan’s “Teen Spirit” had on EVERYONE I knew. I mean my hardfaced hadstic jewish science teacher, my drug dealing uncle who loves country music, my basketball coach who loves Dennis Brown RIP, and me the closeted rock/hiphoper. I walked into a barbershop in my early teens and saw a bunch of bad man Yardies alongside sweet boy londoners, all singing word for word the lyrics and doing air guitars with no shame. Now when I think of an early day classic I have this small but generous list.

    Beyounce/Single ladies ( I hear it playing at the Olympics with nothing to do with the game, and people singing along with wedding bands and bouncing babies on thier laps, it’s a classic)

    Green day/American idiot ( Seriously I see Yanks singing this like crazy with conviction and city guys pounding the trams )

    Marvin Sapp/ Never would have made it ( Yes I love gospel music but even I’m shocked when my Skih-Muslim-Anything else but GOD friends play this with hands raised, and shaking their heads in time)

    Kelis/Milkshake ( Every ice-ceam makers dReam even in shoddy wet sumertime UK)

    Adele/Rolling in the deep ( Yep everyone on the planet has this album and when Linkin Park-Miranda Lambert-and countles others smile while dong a cover it’s a bloody CLASSIC)

    Owlcity/Fireflies ( Only because I FRIGGING love this pop tune)

  32. Shows: Friends, Dexter, The Wire, Sopranos, Modern Family

    Music: when I think of classics, I think of crossover appeal
    50 Cent (in da club), Mystikal (shake ya a$$), Outkast (ms. Jackson, the way you move, hey ya), Justin Timberlake (cry me a river), beyonce (single ladies)

    Movies: Lord of the Rings, The Dark Knight, Harry Potter (the whole series), most if not all of the Pixar films

    Love on top is good bc the song sounds nostalgic. It sounds dated and yet it still grabs you. But it goes on for too long and you wish that she cut it down by at least a minute.

  33. Any contemporary movies that’ll make Roger Ebert’s “Best Ever” list in 30 years?

    Hard to say. There are some classic movies that critics hated at first, then went on to eventually praise (see: Psycho, The Shining). When it comes down to it, taste in movies or music is subjective. Here’s my personal list though of movies that will likely be considered classics:

    Memento
    There Will Be Blood
    No Country for Old Men
    Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
    Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
    The Dark Knight
    Inglourious Basterds (I’m kinda iffy about this one. How people view this movie in 30 years will be based on how critics view Tarantino)

    • Yes to “There Will Be Blood”! “I drink your milkshake. I drink it UP!” is a classic line.

      Practically anything Christopher Nolan has done. So is “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon”. I remember being in awe when I saw that in the theater. Same goes with the first Matrix.

  34. Every time I turn around I think something happened last year that happened 10 years ago. ‘Tis true Champ it is def a sign of age. Anywho I like The Thundergoat as much as the next but when Love on Top comes on I immediately turn the station. It’s just not my flavor. Now I will listen to Say My Name…maybe it has something to do with the nostalgia I feel when listening to this song versus this Love on Top mess. Yo No Se! I do however believe that King Bey will stand the test of time because her Stans are a vicious bunch, no?

    As for 20th Century classics go I would go with:
    Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
    Michael Phelps – until someone breaks his record he will be one of the most talked about athletes
    Kobe Bryant – I hate saying this but I think he will be revered for years to come
    Martin – I didn’t see this on anyone’s list but I feel like the first couple of seasons of Martin are def classic sit-com worthy

    And to satisfy my guilty pleasure surrounding ratchet hood music songs like these will never die in my humble opinion:
    Fine by Jackie – O always make women dance
    Knuck if you Buck – always get the crowd hype

  35. TV SHOWS
    1) Sopranos (never watched it….)
    2) The Wire
    3) Modern Family
    4) The Big Bang Theory (laugh so hard I forget the gag reel is playing)
    5) Family Guy

    Films
    1) Dark Knight
    2) Harry Potter (Never watched…)
    3) Borat
    4) Anything by Pixar
    5) Hanna (Some might say Crouching Tiger or Haywire but this pickney is baddddd)

    • 5) Hanna (Some might say Crouching Tiger or Haywire but this pickney is baddddd)

      Hanna was good. As for Haywire, some director needs to get Gina Carrano acting lessons and cast her as Wonder Woman pronto. She’s too short but the a**-whooping ability is the selling point.

    • I’ve just missed your heart…
      I have yet to make it through a whole Harry Potter film. They look so good from the previews though. For some reason I just can’t get into them.

  36. Looks like everything is classic. I guess I’ll add Beyonce’s movies to the mix. She was terrific in that Austin Powers movie :-/ And we can’t forget Justin Bieber. His music is even mo classic than Usher’s….which is also classic. Anyway, let me go listen to some classic Ron Isley. For the youngins, that would be Mr. Biggs who is best known for his classic collaborations with R.Kelly (culminating with the classic song, Contagious).

  37. The very first thing I heard in my mind after reading the question was, “Go shawty, it’s your birthday, we gon’ party like it’s your birthday…” So I’m gonna say 50 Cent’s “In da Club” is going to be one of those songs our kids and their kids will know and bump to in the club (the way I bump to “Before I Let Go” in the club, which def came out before I was born!) Agreed about “New York State of Mind” especially now that the State of New York is using the instrumental in its ads promoting tourism…it ain’t going anywhere.

    As for movies, I don’t think any movie that’s come out yet in the 21st Century will have the classic status of something like Coming to America, for example…possibly “The Hangover” – the only movie that comes to mind that comes close to its comedy level. But also you never know what’s truly classic until 20 years later and our kids are watching and loving the movies we watched and loved.

    As for Beyonce my personal “classic” is Me, Myself and I. Best breakup/get over that loser song/feel better ’bout yourself song, ever and will def be recommended to my daughters when they need that kind of song!

  38. Classic songs:
    Rolling in the Deep – Adele
    Clocks – Coldplay
    Gold Digger – Kanye West (if I had to pick one song of his, I THINK it’s this one. There’s so many quotable lines.)
    Charlene – Anthony Hamilton
    Crazy – Gnarls Barkley
    Get Low – Lil Jon (our era so full of ignorant songs one’s got to sneak through)
    Untitled (How Does It Feel) – D’Angelo

  39. Ordinary People by John Legend will be a classic. People will be breaking up and making up to that song 30 years from now. Lil lightskinned dudes will be singing that at American Idol season 25 auditions.

  40. I’ll probably play “Love on Top” at my retirement party lol. Amy Winehouse will be deemed classic as well. TV show, “Modern Family”…it’s one of those shows that everyone can identify with because there is some aspect of that family in their family and that is what makes it classic. As far as sci-fi/fantasy, I think “Game of Thrones” will win by a landslide. Movie, “Inception”, “Matrix”, all Coen brother films…despite people saying they didn’t like the Matrix (lies), you know what someone means when they say “I took the red pill.” Classic. Sports star: Michael Vick (esp. if he wins a Superbowl), Usain Bolt, Kobe Bryant, Serena and Venus.

  41. My classic movies/TV
    -Winter’s Bone – Country-a** white folks are hard
    -Casino Royale – A James Bond who lives in a post-9/11 world would have to be a thug.
    - Justified – Raylan Givens is the modern Matt Dillion with less people skills.
    -Saving Private Ryan – Just for the Normandy landing scenes alone.*
    -Band of Brothers*
    -Homicide Life on The Street*
    -The Big Bang Theory- This may be the only sitcom other than the Cosby Show that I want to watch until it ends.
    -Friday Night Lights – All of the teenage angst of 90210 without the nose jobs.
    -Southland – Regina King is quietly flying the flag for sisters who on TV.

    *any time I see any of these on I will sit down and watch.

    Books/Comics
    -The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo (Stieg Larsson)- Anytime you read a 600 page book over the course of three days that says something.
    -Half of a Yellow Sun (Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie) – #NBR folks know.
    - Y: The Last Man (Brian K. Vaughan) – You would think a world without men would be peaceful wouldn’t you?

  42. Music that isn’t RnB

    Robert Glasper – Black Radio
    Aloe Blacc – Good Things
    The Roots – undun
    Lianne La Havas – Is Your Love Big Enough
    Quasimoto – The Further Adventures of Lord Quas

  43. If we’re talkin only from the last 10 years…

    Music: My Beautiul Dark Twisted Fantasy
    Movies: Dark Knight
    Sports: The current Spanish football squad, including David Villa. As for individuals, Messi. Duh.

  44. Hmmm….this is actually a tough question. Having given it a bit of thought, here’s my list:

    Ledisi–the whole “Pieces of Me” album.
    Van Hunt–though not successful in terms of album sales, his music is straight up classic.
    Kirk Franklin–With every album, I say he’s done something to change the shape of gospel music. But “Hello Fear” is probably the most classic album he’s ever released. To personify emotions like that? GENIUS!
    Kem–Ummm, I stan for him. Therefore, every album is a classic. If I had to choose a favorite song, it would be “Love Never Fails.” It’s so beautiful that you don’t even realize it’s a breakup song! LOL
    John Legend–I’ll be bumping “Live It Up” in my car for many years to come.

    Movies
    Talladega Nights
    Napoleon Dynamite
    The Notebook
    Sixth Sense
    I’m hoping to put the new “Sparkle” on this list….*crosses fingers*

    Clothes
    Maxi dresses
    Pencil Skirts
    Boy Shorts

      • I had to! Clothes are very important and I’m always sad when something I think is classic turns out to be just a fad. And then there are fad I wish would die a timely death….

        ….like those Peggy Bundy leopard-print shirts with arm cutouts. *gags*

    • “Kem–Ummm, I stan for him. Therefore, every album is a classic. If I had to choose a favorite song, it would be “Love Never Fails.” It’s so beautiful that you don’t even realize it’s a breakup song! LOL”

      You and African Mami with that damn Kem obsession, LMAO!

        • LOL! Maybe only two or three who are under the age of…..67. But I like that his music is just mellow….I call it a “brain massage.” You don’t have to overthink the lyrics, they just are. And that makes him pretty classic IMHO.

  45. Movies:
    A Beautiful Mind
    Apocalypto
    The Usual Suspects
    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    City of Good

    Music:
    Floetry – Floetic
    Bob Marley – Redemption Song
    Aerosmith – Dream On
    No Doubt – Don’t Speak
    Black Eye Peas – I Got A Feeling

  46. ***contemporary classics I didn’t name in the post***

    music (hip-hop only)

    the college dropout
    the blueprint
    supreme clientele
    my beautiful dark twisted fantasy
    speakerboxxx/the love below
    get rich or die tryin

    tv

    the wire
    the sopranos
    mad men
    curb your enthusiasm
    louie
    the office

    movies (movies i’ve seen, only)

    lord of the rings
    the matrix
    the dark knight
    gladiator
    no country for old men
    there will be blood
    the social network
    anchorman
    the 40 year old virgin
    avatar
    the social network
    the notebook

    athletes (basketball only. the following current players, if they retired today, would be considered top 50 all time greats)

    kobe bryant
    tim duncan
    kevin garnett
    lebron james
    steve nash
    dywane wade
    paul pierce
    dirk nowitski

    players on their way to cracking the top 50

    (kevin durant, chris paul, dwight howard, derrick rose)

    • I don’t think it’s fair to mention Speakerboxxx with The Love Below because they aren’t equal. The Love Below is classic, Speakerboxxx, not so much.

    • Supreme Clientele hasn’t aged that well in my experience. It’s not bad, but it’s not transcendent the way a classic is. Also, I’ve never really “listened” to Get Rich or Die Trying because between the mixtapes and my 50-11 Six-degrees-of-separation connections to him (like my 7th grade gf being his latest female artist and working with his cousin for two examples). If I had to name something from 50, it would be the No Mercy, No Fear mixtape. Hell, I) miss the desperate dude who went to The Jack (and if you live in Queens, you know what high school I’m talking about) clutching a 9 and a Jesus piece on the cover.

      • “Supreme Clientele hasn’t aged that well in my experience. It’s not bad, but it’s not transcendent the way a classic is.”

        I’d disagree with you, but my eyes are bleeding and it’s making it difficult to type

    • Out of all those players you listed, who will set the new standard for their position as Jordan and Magic have done??
      Right now only Kobe and maybe Duncan, eventually Lebron will supplant.

      I think all of Ye’s albums are classics, I’m still unsure about 808, what you think??

      • I think Kanye could’ve kept 808′s & B*(ch broke my heart. Don’t get me wrong they were some catchy tunes but as a whole it was very mediocre to me.

        • relative to Kanye, it was average. But comparing to other artists, the album is above average. If I happen to listen a song from 808, I bob my head ot the beat, but thats the only album not on mp3 player.

      • I say Lebron is the new standard for small forwards already. If you look at the best small forwards of all time (Bird, Dr. J, Baylor, and Barry) I’d choose Lebron over any of them

        With his style of play, Durant has a chance of being the NBA’s all-time leading scorer. With his size and jumpshot, he could average 20 a game when he’s 40, lol.

        Both Derrick Rose and Chris Paul have a chance of supplanting Isiah as the best point guard not named Magic Johnson. (After this season, I have a feeling Kyrie Irving will be in that discussion to. Just has to stop getting injured all the damn time)

        BTW, I loved 808′s.

  47. I’m going to name a few songs that randomly come on the radio to remind me of how much I like/liked them.

    1. Sisqo- “Incomplete”
    2. Isley Brothers featuring R. Kelly- “Contagious”
    3. TLC- “Waterfalls”

  48. People of VSB.com, can you think of anything else created in the 21st century that you feel should be deemed a classic?

    I have a few.

    Nissan GTR

    “It’s All Real” by Pitch Black (yeah the album sucked but this song is pure uncut raw hip-hop)

    “Motown 25″ by Elzhi feat. Royce Da 5’9″ (more pure uncut raw hip-hop. And I’m not saying this cause I’m from Detroit)

    C6 Corvette ZR-1 and Z06

    2003-2004 Mustang Cobra

    2012 Mustang Cobra

    2012 Camaro ZL1

    Air Jordan 22

    Dave Chapelle Show

    The Wire

    Breaking Bad

    Entourage

    Curb Your Enthusiasm

    Boardwalk Empire

    Mercedes-Benz SLR

    I got more but this enough for now. Lol

  49. “In that time, I have never seen a contemporary song make every woman in the club react the way they do when “Love on Top” comes on.”

    I have. “Don’t Trust No Ninja” – Khia
    Don’t think this is an urban classic? I wouldn’t either necessarily, except for the fact that whenever this some comes on everybody knows the words and the chorus. From the preppiest looking chicks to the hood chicks. I call it a classic. Probably won’t be playing it at my retirement party though…

    Classic movies: Shrek, Lord of the Rings ‘nem (I’m ready for The Hobbit)

    Classic TV: The Office, American Idol reruns (I remember where I was when Clay Aiken lost)

    I’ve been trying to catch some classic movies lately myself. Recently saw “Deliverance” for the first time. I was able to watch most of “The Godfather”- I think I’m going to buy that one so I can see the real movie instead of the TV version.

    • I think Carl Lewis just drank a tall, frosty glass of Haterade. If something comes out down the line, fine, but let’s not front. Usain Bolt is that ish now. You had your day Carl. Let the Jamaican dude live.

      Oh, and in a semi-related note, I finally got a real job. I’ve been delivering newspapers for a month, but now I got a real job escorting players for drug testing at the US Tennis Open. Your favorite Toyota-driving ex-swinger scientist with a severely mentally ill wife finally got a job! Oh, and as a result, y’all ninjas will hardly see me for 2 weeks because I need to be available at all times. Oh, the overtime will be GRAND. :)

  50. I know people mentioned have mentioned a LOT of artists, but two I think will stand the test of time will be Amerie and Buju Banton. Amerie had way too many hot songs to not be a hit, and 15-20 years from now, someone is going to have a #1 hit remaking one of her singles. Buju Banton is a bit more interesting. Quietly, he’s crossed over much more than people think, and I remember in college, White kids who didn’t know his name had his records in HEAVY rotation. Right now, the controversy over the anti-gay lyrics is putting him down, but once time marches on, I think people will see him more of a product of his time and give him the listen he deserves.

    Also, you know what album sounds a lot better than I remember? Color Me Badd’s “C.M.B.” Granted, they were so over the top in their style and look that they effectively became the D*ck In A Box guys. If you just listen to their album, they could sing, and they had great songs too. It’s a shame they couldn’t recapture that magic, because in about 10-15 years, when New Jack Swing starts dominating oldies radio, that album is going to get more airplay than it did the first time around.

    • *Nods @ Color Me Badd reference*

      They will ALWAYS have my respect because they put Oklahoma on the map….at least in the sense that we produce more than country singers. Literally, that was around the time when we started getting more concerts and artists to swing through the Sooner State. So for that, I’m grateful.

      I saw the Black dude at church a few years ago. Yes, he still had the braids.

      • Hey, as an aside K. Marie, who gets more love in Oklahoma: Color Me Badd or the GAP Band? Or is that more along the lines of the Tulsa/Oklahoma City split?

        • Good question! And props to you for realizing there’s more than one city here! LOL

          Overall, the GAP Band gets more love. But Tulsa definitely goes IN for their native group. If you ever find yourself in Tulsa, I guarantee someone will take you on the GAP Band tour. They’ll show you where they lived, where they played…everything you could ever want to know. People just aren’t that ride or die for Color Me Badd. Everybody can tell you where they went to high school, but that’s about it.

          And the people who don’t know either group? I weep for them. Seriously.

  51. I actually hate that song. To me its about waitng a nucca out probably after years of your tears and his BS and then you got a prize? I think not. I hate any song along those lines.

  52. Sigh, why must I be pulled into another conversation about the banality of the rescue fetus. I’ve already given many slightly hyperbolic rants about why I don’t like beyonce as an artist, as a brand, as a person, as a mammal, as a crew, as a trademark, or as an entity. But let me get real and talk about why its really her music I don’t like. But first, “love on top”? I thought I never heard of it until I youtubed it and realized I change the station every time this derivative crap starts to play.

    People place beynonce as the successor to Mariah and Whitney when that really isn’t the case. She filled the vacuum created by the lack of top diva (like N’sync and their brood for the backstreet boys) but she is more a successor to TLC thematically and direction wise. Not CrazySexyCool TLC, but Fanmail TLC. beyonce isn’t t the originator, but is definitely the flagbearer and the biggest catalyst of the initialization/hoodratification and subsequent downfall of R&B.

    Some people may blame hip hop for the route R&B has taken, but before beyonce, Rooftop by Mariah, Best of me by Maya, All I need to survive by Mary J., and all of TLCs works blended Hip Hop musical influence with the universal themes of R&B, Fanmail, most notably with No Scrubs, borrowed more heavily from Hip Hop’s negative themes of materialism and an antagonistic relationship between the sexes.

    beyonce refined this a bit and the dominant theme for her music is a portrayal of the male female dynamic is a dichotomy of dominance versus submission with the material often times replacing love as the ultimate end. Bills bills bills, jumping, cater to you, independent woman, Soldier, Diva, put a ring on it, irreplaceable, upgrade you all of those songs reflect it. No more adult supervision, just hood drama. Now we have Teairra Maris and K Michelles instead of Tamias and Mayas and Brandys. And it isn’t necessarily that the singers are more hood, just the content. Like I said, no adult supervision. No more universal appeal. The 90s look like a golden age compared to the 2000s.

    And yes beyonce is the queen, but all that means for the game today is that she is the largest vulture feeding on the carcass of what hip hop used to be.

    • Goodness! Amen, all day long. Tamia all day, EVERY DAY, over Beyonce. I don’t hate or dislike Beyonce as a person. I will even listen to a few of her songs…can’t help it, every now and then, something catchy comes out. But, as for substance and storytelling for me…well, Beyonce isn’t it. But, then again, I’m not her target demographic.

    • Sooo… how this should be read

      Initialization=Infantilization
      and
      The last line should be the carcass of R&B, not hip hop.

    • How exactly do the consumers play into all of this considering… they’re the ones Buying and Supporting this “hood” music you speak of?

      Dang… why can’t a mofo just be great? smh

      • They stopped buying R&B? Beyonce has vitually no competition but her numbers still don’t reflect her percieved stature? Unlike Whitney and Mariah she narrowed the scope, reach and fanbase during her reign on top of R&B? I get the support here, this age group and gender distribution is her wheel house. But adults and suburbia aren’t bumping her like that even though she is Pop. Beyonce is like the twilight franchise, decent numbers, narrow fan base of young women, not much else there. She is what she is, and that has never been adult music.

        • I’m curious… what is it exactly that makes you so angry? Is that you think people overhype her so you feel it’s your duty to let the “truth” be known or is it that secretly it bothers to see another black person excel to that level (be it warranted or not)… No really. I never read about other cultures hating on their aritstis the way we do. And if Mariah was on top, like you say Beyonce is (the queen, right or whatever?), I’m willing to bet you’d be saying the same F*cked-up sh*t except Mariah would be the subject matter. I get so tired of this argument. Truth is I think Beyonce is good. I could take her or leave her, but y’all make me have to show MORE support than I actually give d@mn to because frankly I’m so annoyed with the way people bad mouth this women who has paid her d@mn dues… Frankly I hate hate.

          Like seriously relax… it’s just Pop music.

          • One of us is angry here…I don’t have any irrational hate for beyonce. I think I’ve spelled out in great detail why I don’t like her. I liked Mariah, Whitney, Brandy, Maya, TLC, EnVogue, the first iteration of Destiny’s child, Monica, Blaque, Ghost Town DJs, Monifa, Tweet, Toni Braxton, Aaliyah, Alicia Keys. I can assure you I have no hate or malice in my heart for female R&B singers because they have ovaries and especially not because they are “On Top”. I used a reasoned argument to state my opinions about her. You can agree or not, but don’t call it blind “hate”. You’re the one throwing out baseless accusations. Not liking beyonce does not mean that I’m sexist or hate successful women. Now I see why you like her music.

            • I’ll post below… It’s too long to post here considering I’ve copied alot of the bullsh*t you said to make my point.

  53. Reggaeton is going to be niche classic and not a global classic. Right now, most people are still on their reggaeton hangover, but in a few years you are going to see kids commenting on youtube videos “my mama listens to that in the car!” It will get the same treatment as 90s house music. When the song “time for the perculator” comes on, everyone recognizes it, but on a few truly enjoy that genre of music. While Daddy Yankee is probably the most recognizable artist, he isn’t the best. The song “gasolina” is an anthem, but its not that good. Early Pitbull stuff, not the pop music he does now, will be played in 20 years. “Culo” and “toma” can get a party juking. When that whole Luney Tunes group was in full effect. they where churning out hits like Ray Lewis in a Browns game. For most people Reggaeton will be that spanish stuff you liked, but didn’t know what they were saying. For a small minority, it will be the reason why you have kids right now.

  54. As far as classic album’s go, My list would be :

    Complex Simplicity- Teedra Moses
    Tragic Kingdom- No Doubt
    Where I wanna be- Donell Jones
    Infinite Possibilities- Amel Larrieux
    8701- Usher ( I like this album more than Confessions)
    Aijuswanasing- Music Soulchild
    All I want is you- Miguel
    MF Life- Melanie Fiona
    Life is good- Nas

  55. Too many comments; didn’t read. Has anyone said “Back That A** Up”? That’s a classic. If you don’t dance to that song… you have no soul. ::twerks away from comment section::

    • Thanks for adding this, I denied the song for so long. I thought it was so cliche’ and came with too much pressure for those of us who have larger than average backsides. I secretly loved it though, lol. I still feel a bit of the pressure but I also don’t have any qualms about sipping my grand marnier and oj, following Juve’s rules both with class and pangs of nostalgia.

  56. Of course, this is not an exhaustive list. I’m just too exhausted to think of more. Oh, yeah, sorry for breaking the 21st Century rule. But, in my best spoiled little sister voice, Champ did it first!!!!

    Music:
    Raheem DeVaughn’s Love Behind the Melody. (Favorites: Customer, Woman, Love Drug, Mo Better, Butterflies, She’s Not You, Empty, Four Letter Word).

    Mary J. Blige: Just Fine, Be Without You
    Mary Mary: God in Me
    Anthony Hamilton
    Maxwell

    Movies:
    Love & Basketball, The Best Man, Waiting to Exhale, Amelie (French movie), The Five Heartbeats, 13 Going on 30 (don’t judge me; I’m a kid at heart), Ray. Y’all already said Matrix (all time fav) and Lord of the Rings. Future classic: The Hobbit. Can’t wait for that to come out!

    TV
    Friends, Girlfriends, Living Single, Cosby Show, A Different World, Grey’s Anatomy, The Wire (although I’ve never seen it (please don’t revoke my Black card), I know it’s great. Heck,it has to be…Idris is in it!),

    Speaking of:
    Idris Elba
    Ludacris’ voice
    Michael Ealy
    Bradley Cooper
    Denzel (no last name needed. And, he goes on every compliation no matter the year, decade, century or millenium)
    Samuel L. Jackson…same reason as Denzel. Although Sam isn’t particularly fine, there is just something about him.
    McSteamy from Grey’s Anatomy
    Boris Kodjoe
    Chiwetel Ejiofor
    Maxwell
    Daniel Craig (so???)
    Jeremy Renner (Yeah…I like him, too. SO???)

    I’m adding a category: “Things/Electronics/Other Sh*t I Came Up With”

    Things/Electronics/Other Sh*t I Came Up With:
    iPad, iPod, iYoMomma…heck, all things Apple. Thank you God for the MacBook Pro.
    My mobile phone – Samsung Galaxy S2…but mobile phones, in general
    ATM
    Blogging/Bloggers
    Apps for everything
    Amazon.com
    Google (as a noun and a verb)

    Very Honorable Mentions:
    My two sons
    My man

  57. I usually turn turn from “top” when its coming on the radio, but cant deny its likability…her “we like to party” song is the electric slide for blk females dancing in unison.
    TV
    The Wire
    Louie
    Breaking Bad
    The Office (US Version)
    Boardwalk Empire

    Film
    The Matrix
    The Avengers
    The Hangover
    Project X

    Music
    Kanye’s catalogue
    Bjork’s catalogue
    Roots catalogue
    Amy Winehouse catalogue

      • As soon as the Olympics and Paraolympics are done, I’m going to veg on “Breaking Bad”. I have tooooo many people mad at me for not jumping on this show, and interupting thier viewing pleasure

        • Yep….get on that stat! : ) The first couple of episodes, I was like…..”it’s okay”. But, the more you watch, the more intriguing it becomes.

    • Songs:
      TLC-Waterfalls
      Anthony Hamilton-The Point of It All
      Outkast-The Way You Move
      Outkast-Hey Ya
      The Game ft. 50 Cent-Hate it or Love it (for the story behind it, events that followed, and the overall production concept of the song…classic indeed)

      Movies:
      The Hangover
      Baby Boy (as much as this pains me…it is what it is; hood classic, but classic nonetheless)
      The Lion King
      The Help
      Friday

  58. I absolutely LOVE that song! I can’t think of one that crosses the gender gap in female R & B like that one…there are a bunch of guys songs, but nothing female. Hell even Steve Harvey played it every morning for 2 months and jammed out without shame declaring it his favorite Bey song ever! Lol..it’s definitely a classic.

  59. Well, one reason that “Love on Top” will be remembered forever is because Beyonce’s VMA performance to it was the precursor to her giving us all the first glimpse of the anitichrist the baby bump, now known as Blue Ivy Carter.

  60. Classic Album award goes to:
    Gnarls Barkley – St. Elsewhere. I have listened to the album so many times it isn’t even funny. It never gets old to me.

    Classic Artists:
    Mike Patton
    Cee-Lo
    Mos Def
    Talib Kweli

    I forgot another artist whose music I buy no questions asked.

  61. Don’t know if it’s been mentioned already, but Law & Order! I’m and SVU fan (with stan characteristics). Who can resist the former cop killa aka Public Enemy #1 Ice-T as Odifin Tuttuola. I know I can’t. All the mains on that show need serious psychoanalyzing but I’m down to ride though.

    My music tastes are mine and they may not be considered classics but I bet you all will bob your head if Mr. Ice Cream man or Make em say Uhhh comes on in the next 10-15 yrs. There was something about No Limit that captured me. Were they some of the greatest lyricists? NO. But to me they ushered in that business model for rappers. We can have our own and do it really successfully. Master P is one hell of a business man.
    Lauryn Hill is definitely on the list of classics.
    Love him or hate him, Rozay
    B.I.G.
    Boyz II Men
    UGK!!!!
    All that 90s R&B

    That’s all I can think of right now.

  62. I aabsolutely love you for this post. Can you tell I’ve been a Beyonce fan since the day before forever? The Cosby Show, A Different World, and Friends will defintely be making that list.

  63. Keri Hilson ft Kanye West – Knock you down. Good female anthem that sistas are gonna be feeling for years.

    Up in the Air (Movie with George Clooney) – Can see this one reaching cult status.

  64. At the risk of being mislabeled a “hater” as a result of many people not comprehending the difference between “hating” and having an opinion,…I quite frankly don’t see what the big deal is about Beyonce. I don’t get it. Not saying she is not talented, because she certainly is extremely talented. However, I’m not particularly moved by her. her music, her image, etc., and even fail to understand the significant level of interest she managed to garner over the last decade plus.

    Anyway, my favorite member of DC was and always will be LaTavia Roberson. Or as I like to refer to her, Short-Stack because she was just that…short and stacked…with her dreamy, bedroom eyes (insert Homer drool here)

    But back to Beyonce and her ‘anthem’ music. Perhaps my lack of connection to her and her music is the fact that I feel that she doesn’t appear to connect with the very music she sings. At least to me it seems that way, and I’m aware I can be very well wrong about that. When I hear her, I feel someone literally handed her the music sheet…then says, “Here, sing this”,….she proceeds to sing the hell out of it…then collects her check….boom, radio has its next hit.

    But I agree, Love On Top is a nice tune. But again, despite the soul and power and vocal prowess she exhibits in her music, to me she just sounds completely detached from what she is singing.

    As far as classics in the recent decade? Hardly anything that was released commercially and hit the pop charts is worthy of mention because 99% of it has been ‘for-the-moment’ gar’bauge, and will never feel the gentle caress of a record needle, the warm sensation of a CD laser, or have the pleasure of being double clicked on by a curser, again past it’s summer apex. <–see r&b(now dead), hip-hop(been dead), bubble gum pop(2520 attempts at r&b/hip-hop) songs released in the last 12 years.

    In these times, the true classics will never get that proper acknowledgment simply because they haven't received mainstream commercial success like their lesser talented but highly gimmicky @ss counterparts.
    With that said, I nominate Chrisette Michele's first album "I Am" front to back as a classic album.

    • How could I forget Chrisette Michelle??? That CD was/is such a long, cool, thirst-quenching drink of water in the desert of music that currently dehydrates our sense and sensibilities. From begining to end, that CD was “Golden”. I’m ’bout to listen to her now. Thank you for reminding me of “I Am”.

    • “I feel that she doesn’t appear to connect with the very music she sings….”

      I totally agree. Like I said up-thread, she has no soul. Her voice is empty.

  65. The first time the Ravens got to the Super Bowl and the kick butt game they played.

    Your first time dancing The Wobble in sexy heels and outfit.

  66. Every championship won by the Lakers, but particularly the one w/ Fisher & Horry

    The “Dream Team” Olympics basketball team –both male & female

    Holyfield and Tyson fight that went wrong, bloody and they couldn’t find piece of his ear.

  67. @MissRae- I thought I was the only one on here who knew who Teedra Moses is! Gotta love that album. She’s so underrated!

  68. Thats interesting… Hmmnnn.. I must be stuck in moderation somewhere. *sigh* The man always got to have his foot on a brothas neck. Release me please.

  69. That time ice cube messed around got a triple double. Not the song, but him actually getting that tripple double I’m not sure what kind of ball they play in cali, but scoring 10 or more points and doling out 10 or more assists is virtually, if not entirely, impossible in most games of street basketball. I guess if you play to 21 it is technically possible, but still even then…

    • Am I the only athletic nerd who, in pickup/street ball calculates the percentage of the total team points that I scored?? Like if we’re going to 12 and I score 4 points I think “5 man team and I scored a third of our points… WHO WANT WHAT!?!”

  70. A few classics that I don’t think were mentioned:
    Usher- Here I Stand, You Got it Bad
    Miguel- Sure Thing
    Trey Songz- We Can’t Be Friends, Bottoms Up
    Brandy- Angel in Disguise (the hit that never went mainstream)
    Alicia Keys -You Dont Know My Name
    Floetry- Say Yes
    MJ -Butterflies
    Janet -Velvet Rope
    Snoop -Drop it Like it’s Hot
    The Neptunes
    Algebra and Anthony David -

  71. Algebra and Anthony David-Forever More
    Mary J. Blige
    T Pain
    NeYo
    Jaheim-Ain’t Leavin’ Without You
    Anthony Hamilton
    Kem

  72. @ Meech

    Lol… you see why I like her music? Sweetheart I’m what you would call an audiophile… I can appreciate all music. Ain’t really much to address with your argument because it doesn’t exist… You are a hater.

    So I’mma give the people what they want.

    “Sigh, why must I be pulled into another conversation about the banality of the rescue fetus. . I’ve already given many slightly hyperbolic rants about why I don’t like beyonce as an artist, as a brand, as a person, as a mammal, as a crew, as a trademark, or as an entity. ”
    - Wow, that’s pretty hateful

    “People place beynonce as the successor to Mariah and Whitney when that really isn’t the case. She filled the vacuum created by the lack of top diva (like N’sync and their brood for the backstreet boys) but she is more a successor to TLC thematically and direction wise.”
    -Is that right? Because I’m pretty sure majority of the people on VSB would agree that Blaque, Ghost Town DJs, Maya and yes your BELOVED Aaliyah fit the same description. Interesting.

    “beyonce isn’t t the originator, but is definitely the flagbearer and the biggest catalyst of the initialization/hoodratification and subsequent downfall of R&B.”
    -I’m sorry to tell you but no one is an originator in the music game, everyone has taken bits and pieces from someone else. You show me any great and I will show you their influences. (see: MJ-> James Brown-> Louis Jordan and other jazz greats etc)

    -”… but before beyonce, Rooftop by Mariah, Best of me by Maya, All I need to survive by Mary J., and all of TLCs works blended Hip Hop musical influence with the universal themes of R&B, Fanmail, most notably with No Scrubs, borrowed more heavily from Hip Hop’s negative themes of materialism and an antagonistic relationship between the sexes.”
    -So you say R&B was already borrowing from HipHop in negatives ways before Beyonce?… got it.

    “beyonce refined this a bit and the dominant theme for her music is a portrayal of the male female dynamic is a dichotomy of dominance versus submission with the material often times replacing love as the ultimate end.”
    -Oh, so she created a niche… didn’t know that was a problem. Help me understand what success has NOT created a niche for themselves in their industry? GTFOH

    “Now we have Teairra Maris and K Michelles instead of Tamias and Mayas and Brandys.”
    -OK, see this is your FIRST big mistake… Teairra Mari and K Michelle aren’t even on the same level of popularity as Tamia and Brandy… what the Heyll do they even sing? If anything Beyonce’s status has made it more difficult for the “hood music” these chicks put out to get any shine…maybe you should be thanking her in that regard.

    “And it isn’t necessarily that the singers are more hood, just the content. Like I said, no adult supervision. No more universal appeal. The 90s look like a golden age compared to the 2000s.”
    -Maybe you go hard for that 90s pre-Beyonce music because that’s the era you began to appreciate music. Much like a lot of people’s parents who like music but don’t love it… only love what they grew listening to… like them. Maybe like you said, you’re just old as sh*t.

    “And yes beyonce is the queen, but all that means for the game today is that she is the largest vulture feeding on the carcass of what hip hop used to be.”
    -My dude… seriously get a grip. I thank God for young artist like Elle Varner who too were influenced by Beyonece oh and Mariah and Whitney… all great in their own right

    “Beyonce has vitually no competition but her numbers still don’t reflect her percieved stature? Unlike Whitney and Mariah she narrowed the scope, reach and fanbase during her reign on top of R&B?”
    -Mariah and Whitney were pre-bootlegging/internet appeal/social media presence… meaning we all have a lot more access to OTHER stuff as well thanks to the web. Mariah and Whitney were lucky all we had was the d@mn radio and CDs. Beyonce was post. And it plays a MAJOR part.

    “But adults and suburbia aren’t bumping her like that even though she is Pop.”
    -LOL… you say this in the same post titled “Love On Top and Other Contempary Classics”… did you read Champ’s post?

    “One of us is angry here…I don’t have any irrational hate for beyonce. I think I’ve spelled out in great detail why I don’t like her. I liked Mariah, Whitney, Brandy, Maya, TLC, EnVogue, the first iteration of Destiny’s child, Monica, Blaque, Ghost Town DJs, Monifa, Tweet, Toni Braxton, Aaliyah, Alicia Keys. I can assure you I have no hate or malice in my heart for female R&B singers because they have ovaries and especially not because they are “On Top”.”
    -I’m not mad Meech… I’m annoyed. And this may be true… maybe Beyonce turned down a song you submitted and now you hate her or some girl she looks like f*ck over your porr little heart or since was your and I quote “first love” but dumb @ss hell your heart broke a little when she got boo’d up… I don’t know, but you are a hater.

    ugh … I’m tired… that should be enough, hater.

  73. LOL @ the debate about the finest female group….we had the same heated debate back in juniour high and came to the same conclusion that En Vogue and Jade were the two other groups that contained nothing but fine members..

    Man “Love on Top” a.k.a Beyonce’s post orgasmic bliss track is just a reaaaal happy ass track, they need to make it the new theme song for cialis commercials in place of that “good morning, good moorning” joint. Have a gang of sistas dancing through the streets, nail spots and hair salons caterwauling along with Beyonce and at the end cut to a brotha lying in bed smoking a stogie staring straight into the camera with a slight smirk and nod.. then flash that cialis logo. *end* But I digress…the track got me in the past couple months, i tried avoiding it like most of her other tracks but it’s infectious as mug, got a ninja bobbing his head and tapping his toes..

    Classic albums of the past 12 years
    Both of Raheem Devaughn joints
    Blueprint
    Supreme Clientale
    Bilal 1st Born 2nd
    The strokes “is this it?”
    D’Angelo “Voodoo”
    Floetry “Floetic”
    Pete Rock “Soul Survivor”
    Erykah Badu “New Amerykah pt 1″

    Movies
    Memento
    Traffic
    A history of violence
    There will be Blood
    City of God
    Love and Basketball
    Hotel Rwanda
    Kill Bill (love every Tarantino joint..nervous about this Django unchained tho)
    Dark knight trilogy
    40 year old virgin

    Television
    The Wire
    Breaking Bad
    Sopranos
    season 1 & 2 of the game
    Don’t watch too much T.V

    Athletes
    Lebron
    Kobe
    Durant
    Aaron Rodgers ( could possibly end up being the greatest QB of all time..son has no weaknesses)
    Ray Lewis
    Calvin Johnson
    Vick (i’m praying he follows the same career path as Steve young)
    Usain Bolt
    Michael Phelps
    Serena Williams..coming close to Navritolovas record

    Fresh Prince of Bel air

  74. Beyonce’s music is like disco music, it serves it’s purpose for it’s time/culture- but to consider her any of her music “classics” isn’t realistic cuz that’s not even what she’s trying to do. She’s not focused on making amazing classics, she’s focused on making music that will sell NOW for the present culture/times.

  75. “fact — that “Love on Top” may have the most staying power of any R&B song released in the last 10 years.”

    Totally co-sign!!!!! I LOVE that song. And Beyonce is truly the Queen Bee. I am a B-stan

  76. I think there should be a clarification of what makes something a “classic.” While a lot of the songs and albums listed in the comments (and even by Beyonce) always bring joy to the faces of those who were of age to enjoy them when they came out, I don’t see many of them being passed down to future generations. I think that is what truly defines a classic: music that is still played and enjoyed by adults who weren’t alive when the songs were originally released.

    When I’m 60 and Spice Girls, “Macarena,” “Britney Spears,” “Adina Howard,” …(you get the point) are played, I will GET DOWN!!!! However, will my grandchildren recognize and like these tunes: no. Therefore, I would not consider them classics, but rather music hits of a time passed.

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