Pop Culture, Race & Politics

Lil Wayne Spoke, Stevie Wonder Listened, And A Dandelion Died

I ain't got no worries.

I ain’t got no worries.

For the vast majority of us, no matter what we try to do, Lil Wayne manages to be there for all of it. When I graduated from college, Lil Wayne was there. When Obama was inaugurated? Lil Wayne was somewhere doing Lil Wayne things. But the point is, he was there. He’s managed to insert himself into various conversations and become a part of the pop culture landscape.

His ghostwriters have all gone the way of the doo doo bird so he’s almost a terrible rapper now, but somehow, he’s relevant. In fact, he’s managed to be SO relevant, that what would normally be a cast off line in a song that nobody will give two f*cks about gets a motherloving message from the family of Emmett Till. Yes, in the song “Karate Chop” by the world’s greatest rap-sanger, Future, Lil Wayne drops the line, “beat the p*ussy up like Emmett Till”.

Yes. It’s extremely inappropriate. Yes. Rappers do need to think about what they say before they say it and it is actually nice to hear somebody being called to the carpet for their lyrics. But…le sigh…as inappropriate as that line is, it’s not even the most ignorant and ridiculous thing Lil Wayne has said. Why then is his Emmett Till lyric an issue now?

Well that’s simple. For the first time, somebody ASKED a person directly impacted by the line what their opinion was. The family, or at least a member of his family, drops the hottest eloquent 16 regarding a stupid rap lyric and all of a sudden its national rap news. Surprise, the family doesn’t like a line in a song and then the company pulls the song. Then Stevie Wonder weighs in? What the hell just happened here people?

Le sigh.

I’m one of those people who laments the current state of hip-hop while finding odd fascination and enjoyment with artists like Trinidad James. I know it sucks. But I’m entertained so like the debate about Scandal, I’m a hypocrite and I’m okay with it. Period. However, I acknowledge the sheer ignorance involved in much of what I hear in the club the few times I venture that way. And its terrible. Simply terrible. The misogyny isn’t even sugarcoated with euphemisms and metaphors anymore. Naw….now, it’s straight up “My B*tches Love Me”. While I know that calling women b*tches on record isn’t anything new, it does seem like the ease and aplomb with which it happens now is at unprecedented levels. The only time it was worse was with N.W.A. in my opinion. That’s some of the most indefensible music in hip-hop history…no matter how well produced it is. My guess is 2 Live Crew and Poison Clan would have something to say about that, but whatevs.

My point is, I find it odd that a line about Emmett Till is the point where its gone too far when its been “gone too far” for years. The self-esteem of women is not the responsibility of men or hip-hop, but you aren’t supposed to attempt to take all of somebody’s esteem at the same time either. Plus…we already KNOW Lil Wayne is and idiot…why the f*ck is THIS so deplorable coming from him.

Which brings us to his now extra stupid rant from All-Star Weekend where he claimed that he was banned from NBA games and festivities (a claim the NBA has denied) because of the Miami Heat.

Oh Lil Wayne, how I hate thee.

Not only do you claim to be the new ‘Pac, you THEN unnecessarily tell the world that you boned Chris Bosh’s wife. Why? What did that add to the world? For the sake of argument, let’s say you probably did bone Adrienne. That’s not hard to believe. It’s sad, but not hard to believe.

Sidenote: I think it’s fair to judge women who have slept with Lil Wayne. Why? I don’t know. I have no answer for you. But it is fair. Hell, I think its okay to ask women you meet if they boned him off break. I’ve got no logical or sensical reason for this. At all. Somehow though, I doubt anybody would disagree with this. Lauren London, I’m looking at you. You disappointed me. I haz the sads.

It’s highly likely that Lil Wayne did smang Bosh’s wife…before they got married which happened sometime last year. So whoopty damn do. Why in Sam Hill would you lob that out there, knowing that it would snag headlines when its one of the biggest non-story stories ever. What kind of sourgrapes is Lil Wayne on. Quick, somebody put him back on drugs so his music and decisions can be better.

Oh, and ‘Pac. You are not. I don’t even know what correlation you were making but it’s wrong. Inaccurate. Sh*t aint right. Stop smoking that boat.

I’ve lost my point. The Bosh thing is stupid and Lil Wayne is both messy and probably a little butthurt at what he perceived to be a slighting by the NBA….though he has managed to (fairly or unfairly) get himself removed from several NBA games last year. But to go in on a team…c’mon son. I’ll be there’s no Lil Wayne or YMCMB playing in the Heat locker room before games.

Anyway, back to the more interesting part…am I trippin’ or does it seem a bit extra that all of a sudden a Lil Wayne lyric is catching the ire of the Black community when nearly all of his lyrics are as much if not more reprehensible? Or is this just more proof that we don’t care about women? We only care about what people say when it offends our race but that’s about all that matters?

Talk to me. Petey.

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka EH aka GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRL HE A 3

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Panama Jackson is a co-founder of VSB and co-author of Your Degrees Won't Keep You Warm At Night: The Very Smart Brothas Guide to Dating, Mating, and Fighting Crime. He believes the children are our future and is waiting to find out if he is the 2nd most interesting man in the world.

  • KT

    There was no reason to bring that man’s wife into his BS. That was a real b*tch move by Wayne (and the other dudes who wanna come out now as well).

    • IcePrincess3

      Man that proves P’s point that Wayne wanna be pac soooooo bad. He tried to use the same line that pac used against big on “hit em up,”but it just seemed more forced.

      • Latonya

        Wayne would never be Pac cause his lyrics are just stupid case in point:
        “I’m married to that crazy *****, call me Kevin Federline”
        “Feeling irreplacable listening to Beyonce. But ok I’ll put you out on your B’Day”

        • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com Tristan

          Pac was no lyrical Messiah himself,.however Pac has a legacy in music, Wayne is a trend, like Big Hair 80s music

          • Rogman

            Pac as a lyricist is mediocre but his persona(fake as it was) made him a superstar. Also he got lit up like a christmas candle with shells so………………………..hood jesus

            • rooseveltdunn

              To be fair Pac had some really deep lyrics in many of his songs he was hardly mediocre…he was no Big L or Biggie but he was better than a lot of rappers back then

            • http://opinionatedmale.com Medium Meech

              I hate the Pac wasn’t a good lyricist trope and the he was all personality one too. He was a great rapper, period. He didn’t have tight rhyme schemes like say Rakim or to take it to the extreme Busta or Twista, but neither does Common or Talib. That’s just a matter of preference.

              But as a rapper he covered a range of subject matters from deep to superficial to combative like no one else (and pulled off sincerity with it as well. He could go from Mos Def to Drake to NWA on the same album and no one would blink), his delivery was second to none, he had a flow that could adapt to any beat and ranged from lyrical to conversational to percusive. He could tell a story and had a distinctive and prominant individual voice in the figurative sense. Pac was distinctively Pac when the East coast and the West were going down distinctive but homogenous paths. He went to both scenes and wasnt absorbed by them, he made them his own.

              • Malik

                +1. People forget the essence of emceeing to talk too much about rhyme schemes. He moved hearts, minds, and crowds with his words. Can you believe 2Pacalypse Now dropped over 20 years ago?

                • http://opinionatedmale.com Medium Meech

                  That is crazy. I think of Pac as the anti Lupe Fiasco. I like Pac for all the reasons I don’t like Lupe, and Lupe should be one of the hottest MCs in the game if we go by strict tehnical criteria. Rap is art too.

              • http://opinionatedmale.com Medium Meech

                Also, I find that there is a regional bias with Pac. People from the East coast or even people who identify strongly with East coast rap don’t really get down with Pac.

                • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                  this is true. Cuz down South? We loved us some Pac.

                  • T.Q. Fuego

                    @Meech, Malik and Panama. I’m glad y’all get it, cause I didn’t feel like having to type those exact sentiments. Thanks for saving me the time and effort.

          • Rewind

            No he isn’t. Wayne is now a hip hop staple. People can keep criticizing him and being angry that he won’t do this or that, but it won’t change the fact that homie has been a hip-hop staple since 1998. Only a handful of rappers can say that, and even fewer can say they held the rap game in a choke hold up when rap changed up (2002-2011).

            I don’t like him but I will give him his credit.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            Gonna have to disagree with this. Hard to call somebody a trend who’s been around and relevant for the past 15 years via mainstream hiphop.

        • Bunni

          Nothing is worse than when he said “when it Waynes, it pours”

          …..that was just……lawd.

  • nillalatte

    Lil Wayne is a lil off and a lot wrong.

    • AnonyChick

      A lil? lol He is WAY off.

  • Charcoal Burnt Brother Lover

    This little piece of shitt. He is that ingrown toenail that no podiatrist can fix. His existence is unwanted but what to do? Urgh! So painful.

    • Latonya

      Tell us how you really feel! LOL

    • AfroPetite

      I find it quite disturbing that he is a father to multiple children and they will be reared according to his “values”. But I mean, I guess having a father present is better than not having one at all.

      • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

        Actually, I think there are times when an absentee dad is better in the long run. Like in the case of Lil Wayne raising kids.

  • msdebbs

    Lil Wayne is on that Katt Williams crack. I think that explains them crazy rants during all star weekend. Never been a big fan of this gremlin but I’m happy folks are FINALLY starting to listen and take offense to the trash that comes out of his mouth.

    • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

      It’s that syrup.

      • Latonya

        Yep, its mess with his brain cell.
        Wayne disappoint me when he was with the “Hot Boyz” his rhymes was not the best but ok. The Block Is Hot is my favorite song of 2001.

      • Think2Inspire

        Man, I seriously thought he was drinking pancake syrup asking “Why would drinking maple syrup be put in a song? Why these souther folk talking bout it all the time?That’s just dumb.” Woops. Had my brother explain it and I almost did a wall slide. I still don’t get it.

        • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

          Lol.

        • msdebbs

          lmao….I’m so happy somebody explained it to you.

  • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

    While his actual “skill” level is debatable, there is no debate over the fact that Lil Wayne enjoyed a stretch as the hottest/most talked about/most popular rapper. His star is beginning to fade now—at this moment, he’s the third most relevant rapper in his own crew—and I think what we’re seeing is a guy grasping at straws, attempting to stave off his inevitable decline.

    As far as the Emmett Till reference, it is interesting that out of all the reprehensible rap lyrics, this is the one that gets a song pulled. Even more interesting is the fact that he constructs the analogy in a way that it makes no sense. I know he meant “I’ll beat the p*ssy up the way Emmett Till was beat up” but it reads “I’ll beat the p*ssy up the way Emmett Till used to beat up p*ssy.”

    And, even if we stretch the laws of English to make the analogy work, it still doesn’t work. While I don’t know everything there is to know about p*ssy or Emmett Till, I’ve beat p*ssies up before, and I’m very aware of who Emmett Till was. Basically, I know enough about each to know that mangling a p*ssy to the point where it doesn’t even resemble a p*ssy anymore isn’t something to brag about, and can only be done with pliers and a blowtorch.

    Anyway, my point is that Lil Wayne kinda sucks now and will continue to suck and fade away progressively more until all that’s left is a small puddle of molly. And, more than anything else, the Emmett Till lyric just proves it.

    • IcePrincess3

      I think you’re reading to deep into it. I automatically knew that simile was not meant to be taken all serious. However, It’s certain sh*t u just can’t say because its in poor taste, just like they censored “blow up like the world trade” out of “juicy.” Certain topics just cause a sore spot in people. But I believe in free speech above all; even if I don’t have to like it, lil Wayne or anybody else can say whatever dumb ish they want, no matter how offensive it’s deemed to be.

      • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

        Right. This isn’t anything new. I was annoying with Rick Ross mentioning Treyvon Martin and George Zimmerman. IMO, it’s a question of taste just like you said. Rappers the like of lil wayne tend to have poor taste.

        • GypsyCurl

          That was a dumb phrase and it didn’t even make sense (no change).

    • AnonyChick

      I’m guessing the song hasn’t been pulled everywhere. I most def. heard it on the radio today and I was like O_O

      Really though, does this man talk about anything else besides cooch? What’s his obsession with the cat? I have heard him talk about beating it up on so many songs and in many different ways. I don’t get it. “Beating” it up doesn’t even sound appealing to me. At all. I know what the term means, but beating it up just sounds crass.. and violent.

      • IcePrincess3

        Yea, dub C and others sat the sat thing all the time. However again, to each their own. I don’t mind those expressions- blowin backs out, beating it down, even murdering it. Turns me on to hear someone talk sh*t. I don’t think it’s degrading. Do any other ladys feel me, or am I left out here all alone?

        • IcePrincess3

          * say the same

        • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

          When you hear those phrases in music it’s not really a big deal. But, when those phrases become a part of every day conversations then over time they lessen the humanity of women. IMO.

          • Never

            Question. Is this the first time a highly visible rapper has made a disrespectful reference to…a historical civil rights related incident of this nature and magnitude? Of course we’ve heard references before – Outkast and “Rosa Parks” – but THAT song, lyric, refrain, whatever was 6 cab rides, 3 crosstown subways and 7 blocks away from obscene.

            If not, I guess it’s that particular combination that resulted in the attention it has received. I mean, if it was MC Cool Hwhip (shout out to Stewie) nobody would have heard about it, and those who heard it would have dismissed it by virtue of his relative anonymity.

          • That Ugly Kid

            It doesn’t lessen the humanity of a woman anymore than women referring to a man’s peen as a pony (you know, an actual non-human creature), a c*ck (a rooster, which is a non-human creature), a pipe (non-human, inanimate object), etc.

            It’s no different. I just see them as colorful metaphors. Nothing more.

            • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

              But don’t you realize that all love making (and it is ALL love making, not this sex mess you speak of) is purely the unity of two intimate souls into perfect bliss? Nothing carnal should be spoken of it since all love-making is about the pure connection between two souls where the climax of the union is pure, unadulterated ecstasy! There’s nothing carnal about that, nothing at all! :)

            • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

              uhm, I don’t agree.

              S*x can be aggressive, but it’s not violent. I think there’s an important difference there. Terms like “beat it up”, “smash it”, etc etc, allude to inflicting actual pain….which doesnt make it enjoyable to me, at least but if that floats your boat, there’s nothing wrong w/ a little pain between consenting adults . Like, I heard someone rap about “rearranging insides”…really? really? that’s supposed to turn me on? okay.

              That doesn’t compare to referring to a p*nis as various large, shatflike objects, but that’s just my opinion. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

        • Kema

          *raises hand* I do icy… sex is kind of violent. Don’t little kids think daddy is beating/ hurting mommy when they catch them by accident? Lol!

          So if a dude talks about murdering it I’ll tell him I’m ready for la petit mort. :-)

          • Yoles

            * raises hand too*

            i don’t let things like this bother me.. i got real problems no time to be concerned about colorful phrases for coitus. none of them bother me… only thing that bothers me is if the person is all talk and can’t back it up with hot live action

            • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

              Word. You can’t talk about beating it up and leaving it barely touched, not to mention caressed. LOL

              • T.Q. Fuego

                Yikes is the sh*t.

                • T.Q. Fuego

                  *Yoles. Smh, Yikes would be a dope nickname tho lol

            • Rewind

              Wack sex should be punishable by death.

              • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

                actually i was just thinking ::

                rape should be punishable by death. i would get behind that.

                • Rewind

                  Of course, a violation is a violation.

          • mena

            I was wondering how this string went way left and i see that Kema started the avalanche :-)

            You could have just said +1!!!

            • Kema

              Too easy! lol

              • mena

                LOL!! I see :-)

                *not saying that i disagree…or agree* :-)

        • Aly

          I like (love!) dirty talk, but I can’t get with the violent stuff.

          • That Ugly Kid

            I don’t talk much. And since Wesley Pipes is my least favorite pr0nstar ever, I feel like I’d be a hypocrite if I did…

            • Sweet GA Brown

              Actually next to Byron Long I luhs me some Wesley Pipes. Not in the face but the talk is hella entertaining.

        • AfroPetite

          I enjoy no talking and more thrusting. I don’t need your tired arse metaphors to get me in the mood or distract me from what my body is experiencing.

          • Aly

            Lol, this made me giggle. No talking at ALL though? Hmm…

            • AfroPetite

              I’ve found that men try to tell me what they think they want me to hear and it comes off as forced and awkward.

              A few questions asking me who the owner of my love box is or a brief diatribe on what’s about to occur is ok though ;-)

              Anything else is doing too much.

              • http://www.twitter.com/Bmorebmw Tentpole

                Then we both know the wrong people. I’m gulity of not talking enough.

                • Bunni

                  Im accused of the same thing. Moreover, I have the WORST replies when someone tries to dirty talk me….dont ask me who it belongs to, dont ask me if i want this, or that, cuz i WILL giggle and give the ::shruglife:: face..a very socially awkward Bunni I am lol.

                  • Sweet GA Brown

                    I like the the talk in pron but it real not so much. If someone asks me whos it is I will say me.

                    …I mean it is mines right. I had it for 27 years…

          • Rewind

            *puts a gold star on your shirt*

        • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

          i hear youu. some (but not all) men can pull it off. sex has style. violence has style. and style is everythinnn ~*~

      • http://www.twitter.com/Bmorebmw Tentpole

        It is part of his self stimulation ritual.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        I misstated that. The song was originally pulled and then re-released minus the lyric. Or that is the label’s plan.

    • Royale W. Cheese

      ^5 for that grammatical analysis.

    • Marshal

      Had the song dropped or leaked After Black History Month I think nobody would have had such an issue, but this is Weezy we are talking about.Wayne has Always Sucked IMHO and now he’s going the way of a dying star in space.

      As far as Hip-Hop and Women are concerned, I mentioned either yesterday or last week that as long as [some] Women are singing right along and dancing to it they feel they aren’t being Offended, which then takes away from the whole argument that Rap is Sexist. I wouldn’t rap/sing/dance to a song that was dogging me specifically or in general, IJS

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        Naw. A lot of rap is clearly sexist, even if women are singing and dancing along to it. It’s possible to be more than one thing at once. Women do dance to it, and while I do find it ironic, if you want to go out and party, you almost have no choice as a woman. I suppose you could just go to jazz clubs…but nobody’s buying bottles at the jazz clubs.

        • Marshal

          Touche

  • Negro Libre

    I’m trying to give a f*ck, but I just can’t.

    No offense, but I haven’t listened to Hip-hop in a year, and that’s from DMC to Asap Rocky. People are emotional about hip-hop because they invest so much in it, but once you diversify and listen to what other genres of music offer your soul, you realize that people like Wayne ain’t really that significant. You can’t put a woman to bed with his music; you can’t drink or get high to it; you can’t study to it; you can’t even grind real hard to his music: it’s really just noise, which a lot of people are into nowadays as I can tell anytime I forget to charge my ipod and have to listen to Jamn 94.5 on my way to work.

    Let it go man, it doesn’t matter if he has millions of fans, his music is irrelevant and will be forgotten: who listens to Carter 3 anymore?

    • Kema

      You can workout to his music!

      • Negro Libre

        True…I’ll give you that.

      • Bunni

        The Carter 4 is the only thing that keeps me going in the gym….except, of course, for Kanye’s Graduation album….I’m not a real fan of Wayne, but his music seems appropriate when youre ready to do hoodrat ish with some friends lol

    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

      Hey, I think I’ve found your problem Negro.

      You live in Boston. All those years of being around the Boston Red Sox have warped their minds. #GoYankees

      • Negro Libre

        Lol…

        Gotta love Boston…it’s the foundation and the intellectual center of the greatest form of racism ever created: passive aggressive racism aka racism that can’t be proved or suburban racism. One of my boys from New York nearly went insane after a few months of dealing with it lol.

        • rooseveltdunn

          I live there, tell me about it…

        • The Guy Formerly Know As Hmmmm

          beantown!

        • SweetSass

          People who want credit for the Underground Railroad and a pat on the back for having one black friend.

  • That Ugly Kid

    When I heard the line, I knew people would be upset. I’m not. It was a stupid line. I was actually more upset that he’s acting like a scorned groupie over this Miami Heat thing.

    • IcePrincess3

      +179800 You kno he was really butt hurt bout the banning; he is a huge sports junkie. Not to mention the blow to his ego. Prolly for the first time, somebody told him, “your money’s no good here.” That’s when the claws came out, honey. Rowrr!

      • AfroPetite

        Is Bosh supposed to be mad about his wife having chex with other men before he married her? 98.9% of married men are getting the sloppy seconds of all the men before them anyway *shrug*

        • Royale W. Cheese

          Tangent…What’s more, men’s expectation of sex before commitment creates all of those “sloppy seconds” in the first place. You can’t go around leaving a trail of deflowered women in your wake and expect to have a virgin at your disposal to marry.

          • AfroPetite

            Man logic at it’s very best

            • rooseveltdunn

              man logic? You would get with a guy that smashed the home girls?

              • AfroPetite

                No. What’s that got to do with the expectation of men for the women they mess with to have zero chex partners though?

                • Negro Libre

                  Ummmm so you think that every man expects that the first time he sleeps with a woman, that he expects to have bloody sheets? You think when guys are sitting around chilling, talking about women that we’re like “Yeh I wanna be the first one to pop that cherry ni&&a?”

                  • AfroPetite

                    No again.

                    However, for men to want experienced women in the bedroom said woman has to have learned from someone other than them to become “well seasoned”. Either you want an experienced woman to chex or you want someone with a low count. That’s not to say a woman with upwards of 100 partners is awesome because she could be as equally wack in the sack as a woman with 2/3 partners.

                    • Negro Libre

                      Lol. I’m not going to disagree with you and say men don’t have utopian ideals about women.

                      Guys just want some pu$$y, they’ll take it from the low count or the high count girl, doesn’t really matter. It’s not that easy to get to start with.

                      As for relationships, then what men want becomes more specific.

                  • Toria

                    A friend of mine wanted to be 8th. With every girl. His logic was that after 7 others she will have been exposed to enough preferences to have learned how to do almost anything. Plus she will have learned what she likes so he can do that too all without the likelihood of her catching feelings.

            • T.Q. Fuego

              It ain’t man logic it’s just idealism from a man’s perspective. Our form of naivete.

          • That Ugly Kid

            It’s not really sloppy seconds that’s the issue, so much as having f*cked people in your circle. Like, I don’t care if my girl is not a virgin. I actually prefer it. However, I will feel some kind of way if she smashed some of my friends/associates before we met. Things become extremely awkward.

            • AfroPetite

              Since when was Wayne in the same circle as Bosh though?

              This makes his statement all the more irrelevant. Wayne ain’t running in no circles with Bosh in real life.

              • That Ugly Kid

                They are Black celebs, so while they may not exactly be friends, they will more than likely be at the events at times. And it will be awkward as f*ck if everyone you’re shaking hands with also used to plow you’re wife. Especially if they were doing so while you were together.

                • AfroPetite

                  Nah. Tika Sumpter is a black celeb and I sure as heck don’t expect her to be running in the same black celeb circles as Wayne.

                  Black celebrities don’t bang with every black celebrity just off the strength of their celebrity.

                  • Rewind

                    You overreaching on that part. A rapper and a basketball player do have th same circles. Eer heard of All-Star Weekend? come on now.

                    • AfroPetite

                      So every current black athlete enjoys and listens to every current rapper?

                      You’re serious about this?

                    • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

                      so wait…these dudes aren’t even in the same industry, but because they might be at the club at the same time every once in a while, it’s off-limits? Please explain this to me.

                    • Rewind

                      @Afro & Shamria, I am not really sure what part of urban culture you’re not familiar with that yall don’t know many msucians and athletes run in the same circles. More specifically, the woman they all have sex with run in the same circles, more so than anything else. yes, you might not find Jay-Z and Lebron James at the same club every week, but they do party together. You may not find Dwayne Wade hanging out with Rick Ross often, but they have that connection. Don’t be blind to this stuff, it is there, a simple Google search can prove my point. But more so I am speaking on the women they deal with, these chicks jump to wherever the money is, it is that simple.

                    • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

                      @Rewind

                      if that’s the only circle you flock in, which is an enormous circle at that, you’re really telling me that if you have one, you can’t rock with anybody else? I really can’t believe I’m defending groupies right now.

                      Also, most of them party together because of business, not because they’re actually friends. Y’all are acting like Jay-Z has Lebron on speed dial. Nah, bruh. I’m calling bullshiggity.

                      There’s already a million & one ways to call a ch*ck a garden tool. We don’t really need to invent another arbitrary rule.

                      Also, that’s the life these entertainers choose when they wife up groupies. They can’t get mad at the game if they choose to play it.

                • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

                  that’s like saying that you can’t sleep w/ 2 guys that went to college in the same year because they might see each other at homecoming. I really don’t get how these boundaries can be established.

                  • AfroPetite

                    LMAO.

                  • KENYADIGIT

                    I cant speak for other guys but for me its an ego thing. I don’t want to be in the same vicinity as a dude you boned before. Its something I consciously have to work on but the ego is some ish.

                  • Rewind

                    That’s because you’re comparing your own life logic to groupie logic. The two don’t correlate unless you’ve been a groupie.

                  • Marshal

                    As a Native Clevelander, YES, Shawn “Jay-Z” KNOWLES-Carter HAS LeBron’s # on Speed Dial. I can’t count how many times Hov was in Cleveland during Cavs games, him & Usher. Believe it

                    • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

                      that’s because he wanted him to join BK. Now he’s in Miami….it was more for business than anything else. I guarantee the first five people in Hov’s speed dial are rich old white men.

                  • T.Q. Fuego

                    “I really can’t believe I’m defending groupies right now.” Yeah, I’m glad u had that train of thought, cause I did too lol

                • H.H.H.

                  “so while they may not exactly be friends, they will more than likely be at the events at times. And it will be awkward as f*ck if everyone you’re shaking hands with also used to plow you’re wife. Especially if they were doing so while you were together.”

                  If that’s the case, then in theory, you’d never date any females at your college/grad school…because you and ya boys in college would know the same chicks, right?

                  then again, this may explain why chicks at my school didn’t date us dudes… *shrugs* *ponders*

                  • Rewind

                    No..it’s more like, you bring your wife to an event, and 30 men in the building all side-eye you because they all slept with your wife within a decent time range before you wifed her up. It’s one thing if you got one guy who’s been with someone you’ve started a relationship with, it is totally different hen a great number of men can all say the same thing, specifically because this one woman seeked out all of these men on her own.

                    • KENYADIGIT

                      Truuu

                    • H.H.H.

                      “No..it’s more like, you bring your wife to an event, and 30 men in the building all side-eye you because they all slept with your wife within a decent time range before you wifed her up.”

                      #10YearCollegeReUnion?

                    • T.Q. Fuego

                      Precisely

          • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

            Though I did see something in today’s NY Daily News that said that Mrs. Bosh had hustled $10k from Li’l Wayne, claiming she needed money for cancer treatments. As it turns out, she took the money and ran with it. I don’t care if I’m Chris Bosh or Joe Bosh, the gas station attendant in Abilene, Kansas. If I found out my wife had a history of hustling celebs AFTER she had my baby, well…#wedontgotogetheranymore.

            • camilleblue

              #wedontgotogetheranymore…HA! I see you Todd…stealing my hashtag ;)

            • T.Q. Fuego

              Lol, yeah the fact that she pulled a “I got cancer” con is more disturbing than her layin with El Gremlin smh

        • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

          I don’t think anyone would want to be reminded that their wife actually had sex with Lil Wayne.

          • IcePrincess3

            Bosh & Wayne aren’t part of the same circle, but 6 degrees of separation is crazy. Tunechi & wade used to live in the same building in Miami. Weezy said in an interview a long time ago that he invited wade over to play video games. Don’t kno if it ever happend or not, but they were @ least friendly at one point. And he still called him She-wade, so it proves my point that he’s just salty AF bout the ban & he’s being a crybaby.

        • mena

          True but we all know the rules are different for men and women. A man can sleep with 60 chicks and it is fine. A woman sleeps with half the amount of men and her discretion is up for debate.

          The world we live in.

          • Negro Libre

            Why is that?

            • mena

              Not going to play your question game. Just go straight to the point. It will save us both time.

              • Negro Libre

                Lol, for real? Ok.

                It’s just what you’re saying I’ve heard several times, I just wanted to know if you had any reasoning behind it that wasn’t status quo?

                But if you consider that a game, don’t worry about it, I’m not in a playful mood.

            • camilleblue

              ummm…me thinks because in general women are raised to be “chaste” and men are raised to “sow their wild oats….in general and generally speaking and all…..

          • Kema

            Truly guy logic! Because if a man is screwing 60 women, his friends are screwing 60 women and men everywhere are screwing 60 women who can they end up with untouched. lol! Oh the woman that did 60 men… in another state.

            • Rewind

              Yall keep saying man logic but if it is really a shytty premise, you still got to be clear on the fact that MEN ALONE don’t help keep the myth going.

              • mena

                No doubt. Slut shaming is real on both sides when it comes to women and who they have chexed. Had a friend in HS who was still a virgin and people called her a ho3 just b/c they could. She got a rep simply b/c she was cool with a lot of guys. Ruined her self esteem so she ended up becoming one.

                • Rewind

                  And that’s messed up because if she had people she could depend on, whether it was both males and females tlaking about her, the truth would have rung out. But she got left otu to dry. I know mad females from HS who went the same route.

                  • mena

                    I stuck by her and she has been loyal to me ever since. I tried hard but finally just had to make sure that she was being safe. We were different and hung out with different groups of people. I told her to just ignore it but that was the group she associated herself with and when she went back to her neighborhood after school, i wasn’t there to be the voice of reason. So, i just continued to ask that she be safe and was as nonjudgmental as i could be so that she would have someone to talk to.

                    • Rewind

                      NI’m sorry, i worded that wrong. I saw you were being her friend, but you know like many teenagers, she needed th support of many people, not just a few…some people need th whole world to back them up in order to feel good..it’s weird like that.

            • KENYADIGIT

              I have left a few women strewn on the side of the road but I still want to get with a woman who has had as few mates as possible.

              • AfroPetite

                How does one even go about confirming a woman’s count without her word though?

                You can’t even be 100% that she’s giving you an accurate number.

                • Negro Libre

                  Let me ask you a question:

                  Lets say you could go into Super-ho mode right now, and just have sex with anyone; how many guys do you think you could have sex with in a 30 day span?

                  • AfroPetite

                    I’ll bite.

                    In theory if I had 8 hours to spare each day and had a different man for each of those 8 hours, I have the potential to be in the 200-300 range within a month.

                    • Negro Libre

                      Okay.

                      Now, if you were a lesbain and you were chasing women, what do you think that number would be?

                    • AfroPetite

                      The same I’m guessing.

                    • Negro Libre

                      So you think it’s as easy for you to persuade 300 men to have sex with you as it is to persuade 300 women to have sex with you, in the same time period.

                    • AfroPetite

                      *shrug* I know women who only need slight interest and opportunity to get down.

                      Playing on the weaknesses of the opposite sex is an art that can be mastered when practiced enough.

                • KENYADIGIT

                  Good point. I think women should come with a HoeFax report like used cars.

                  Im also an asshole so women with kids have +10 body count off jump in my book.

                  • Charcoal Burnt Brother Lover

                    *rolls eyes*!!

                    Hoefax. THE PHAKK?!

                    You truly ARE an asshole. That I give you.

          • Dignan

            Maybe it’s because I’ve reached a certain age, or maybe I’m just weird, but I honestly don’t care if the lady I’m with has had 2 partners or 200.

            Seriously. As long as you’re bringing it disease-free, I don’t understand why the number matters at all.

            And yet, you’ll get these guys who act like there are still remnants of every other man she’s been with still hanging around inside the poonani.

            And I won’t lie, I used to be insecure about such things when I was younger, but I tend to ask myself “why?” about a lot of things that most people take for granted, and in this case I couldn’t come up with a good answer to “why?”

            • AfroPetite

              People around you told you it mattered and you actually cared about people’s opinions when you were younger.

              Now you go for self and follow your own moral code without much wavering, if at all.

              :-)

            • Rewind

              It’s simple. People throw things in your face,and most people are too sensitive to handle that kind of backlash. Everybody wants to be special and unique. For the rude awakening to be told that you aren’t, too many people aren’t built to have their dreams shattered like that. In all honesty, too many people do not deal with reality, they just live in their own alternate version of it, until real shyte knocks them upside the head and stops the charade.

              I don’t see anything wrong if I decided to wife a porn star, but I’d have to take in account all the exposure and negative connotations of her actions. If I chose to be with her, then I chose to accept that. I can’t get mad at her when I already knew what she did. Now, however, if she lied about what she did, and I never knew until it was thrown in my face…that is what will hurt. And I think that is the fear that many of these men have. They should know the truth, but some don’t.

            • rooseveltdunn

              There are two very great teachers in life, experience, and the the experience of others, I have seldom seen a man that wifed up a “whor…woman of questionable character” and ended up well however I have seen thousands of men that did it and ended up regretting it after finding out their kid isn’t theirs or some other messed up predicament, the best indicator of future behavior has often been past behavior, it is not about the number of partners alone but the underlying reason for which the number is high to begin with. Your idealism is nice and all but reality doesn’t care what you think.

              • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

                Team Mary Magdalene all day every day ~*~

                i’m not a Christian but i reaaally respect Jesus on this one.

              • Dignan

                I agree with you to some degree. I guess my points of disagreement are these:

                1) Most of the men that I’ve ever seen shun a woman with a high number weren’t doing it for reasons of the woman’s character. They were doing it for reasons that are largely irrational. YMMV.

                2) While I’ll agree that’s there’s often correlation between high partner number and questionable character and/or mental health, I don’t think that that would be the case if society were more accepting of women having sex without being judged for it.

                3) It goes without saying that you want to strongly know someone’s character and mental health before you wife them up, regardless of how many partners they’ve had.

                I don’t think that’s very idealistic at all.

                • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

                  number 2. dudes i met who were sluts, yo they were just as fukt up as me. now we’re talkinnn equality. water seeks its own level ~*~

                  • Dignan

                    I can’t disagree with that at all. My brother allegedly has a very high number, and he’s one of the most messed up people I’ll ever meet.

                • ‘L’

                  Soooooo, does this mean a woman should b concerned about the # of women her man has been with b4 she husband’s him up? …and how many is too many?

              • mena

                What should the woman think of a man that has a few too many partners for her liking though?

          • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

            #dontaskdonttell

            discretion is the better part of valor.

            • Marshal

              That’s how the Military WAS, but they’ve became an industry all of their, and you know, the Media wants “transparency” while being protected from Unnecessary Libel that comes from their reports/stories

            • mena

              I agree with you and as much as people say they don’t want to know and it doesn’t matter, 99.9% do care on some level. It may not be enough for you to break up with the person but you still care in some way. Guy or girl. DOES. NOT. MATTER.

    • http://opinionatedmale.com Medium Meech

      Yeah, If Drake and Mary J Blidge coupled and had a daughter and it subsisted on their music alone, this is how I would expect her to react, not an adult rapper who fancies himself an executive, gangster, and Miami transplant.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      See, when I heard it, I was surprised that people would be upset. Like radio announcers and shit are all like, “that’s disrespectful…” #cmonson.

      You can’t laud the man’s catalog then take issue with lines like that. His catalog is littered with ridiculously callous lines.

  • kid video

    He just doesnt know what to do with his life…he’s got money, fame, women, Supahead(allegery)…
    But he would trade it all to play pro ball wit the tall dudes.

    I hope Baby dont rip him off too bad when his sales/popularity really slows down(about 2 more years, tops). He got kids/baby mamas too feed for the next two decades…I smell a reality show.
    Im also still pissed about Lauren getting knock up…that damaged her career/sex appeal(in my eyes)/image.

    • AnonyChick

      Yeah, I think sleeping with Lil Wayne singlehandedly might have killed Lauren London’s career. Every time I see her, all I can think about is…eww, she let LIL WAYNE hit! LIL freakin’ WAYNE! That man is a dirty bird. He just strikes me as a walking STD.

    • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

      Yep, Lauren London traded sex with a syrup drinking gremlin for what was a promising career.

      • Royale W. Cheese

        Gremlin. +1

      • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

        And THAT is the power of game, Ladies and Gentlemen!

        • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

          Yeah, Gremlin has the same game as Hugh Hefner. Lol.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        Man…that hurt me SO much. SOO SOO MUCH. I loved her.

        • T.Q. Fuego

          +1 smh

    • msdebbs

      Yea she effed up royally with that one. You’re supposed to sleep with someone that will uplift your career…look at Megan Good.

      • tgtaggie

        I still can’t believe Lauren procreated with a gremlin. lol. The funny thing about Megan tho….she didn’t sleep with ole dude until they were married.

      • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

        I don’t think Megan Good is a good example, she needs way more people if she thinks we’re really rolling with this new preacher’s wife routine (who’s also a label exec? ok). She spent too long being a bopper…and not taking acting classes. And her new show…I tried to watch two episodes, I did…but her permanently concerned eyebrows will not convince me that she’s a cop in any capacity.

        I still think her best role to date was in Cousin Skeeter.

        • KENYADIGIT

          Damn.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            right? LOL

            • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

              lol I just re-read my comment…I do sound like the ultimate hater. lol. I actually don’t think about her all that much, I swear. I just think she’s a poor fit to compare to lauren london, for the reasons stated above. But hey, at least she didn’t smash weezy, I guess.

              Also, she’s undeniably gorgeous. she still cant act tho

        • camilleblue

          “but her permanently concerned eyebrows will not convince me that she’s a cop in any capacity.”


          *dead*

        • Malik

          I just remember her for the time she purposefully flashed her titty.

        • T.Q. Fuego

          Get em! Lol, I gotta give u ur props tho. “Permanently concerned eyebrows” was brilliant. It makes me a little uncomfortable. That heifer just seems up to no good. Swiper done swiped u for that phrase tho lol

          • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

            LOL. I swear I have no beef with Megan…I’m just saying putting her as a counterpoint to Lauren London gives me pause. The only thing she has over Lauren is that she didnt sleep with Weezy to our knowledge.

            • T.Q. Fuego

              Right. Lauren definitely looks way better.

          • camilleblue

            D@mn…not swiper done swiped you…*dead again*

    • Rewind

      I’m not sure why anyone acts like Lauren London was ever a viable option for anything but 10 minutes, a computer screen, and some Jergens. Seriously.

      She can’t act. She had one good role ever…ATL. That’s it. Other than that, you find her every where chicken heads are availabe. Somebody please inform me of what I’m missing that made this one particular woman something special.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        She can’t act at all. But she made me a believer cuz she so purty.

        • Rewind

          But really P…she aint even that pretty. She’s not. She’s got hood chick written all over her, just like Megan Good. It’s not pretty, it’s attractive and I get why that gets anyone in the mood to smash, but don’t lie about it or make it more than it is.

          Real talk P, you live in DC. You know good and damn well on an average day on Georgia Ave, especially by Howard, you could find 10 chicks to tell Lauren to sit her funny ass down because they look that hot.

          • Rewind

            I’ll take it up a notch. You could even go to Jaspers in Greenbelt and find some stunners up in there on a Thursday night.

            • Marshal

              I will give you e-daps for that, there are plenty of Howard chicks that could give any video vixen, Beyonce, Rihanna and so on a run for their money in the looks department. Not saying All would Win, but you WOULD have to Think About It….

              • Rewind

                Exactly, that’s all I’m saying.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            I don’t know. Must be a personal preference thing cuz I think she’s bad as hell. Period.

            • Charcoal Burnt Brother Lover

              Yes, Jammy Jams. She is BAD as all hell gerr ourr! Lauren London is the ISH! Let’s give credit, where it’s DUE! LAWD.

              • T.Q. Fuego

                +Me- That is a BAD woman. I was hurt by the news

            • Rewind

              I can’t front, I got a different take on beauty than most men I have conversations with. I have seen many beautiful women in my life and I guess that has densensitized me in a way, so when people fall over particular women, I don’t see them as equal in beauty towards what I know.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                LOL. Did you just basically say that I haven’t seen enough beautiful women so it makes sense that she’d be fine to me. But if I knew what you know, then I’d know there’s better?

                • Rewind

                  Nah, I’m saying I just have a different taste than you. Somewhere down the line, certaint types of chicks started looking all the same to me, so I ended up wanting to see a different kind of beauty. I’m not comparing my life to yours when you’re older than me and clearly have seen more, done more, and been with more women than I have.

                  • ‘L’

                    Good 1, very good indeed!

  • Malik

    Emmett Till isn’t just any type of random line though. His brutalization is one of the most pronounced and known examples by white Americans on Black children. It’s not just any other horrible Wayne line. And yes, it is another example of not caring about Black women. When was the last time there was any major story within the Black community about any abuses given to Black girls and women that was UNILATERALLY sympathetic for the Black girls and women involved? None in my lifetime.

    • That Ugly Kid

      This comment is ill placed. The topic is about Lil Wayne’s errant behavior. Not a soapbox to derail the topic with “BUT WHAT ABOUT DA WIMMENZ?!”

      Although it will be interesting to see the number VSS who will likely co-sign and discuss your sentiment. When those same VSS chastised the men on here, on numerous occasions, for trying to voice the male plight during a topic/conversation about women. But…I’m an igloo, though.

      • Aly

        Huh? Panama specifically asked…

        “…is this just more proof that we don’t care about women?”

        It seems like Malik is just answering the question. Besides, people derail the topic all the time.

        • That Ugly Kid

          Lol, yea I saw that right after I posted and I was like, “Aw sh*t”. My bad, Malik. But that question in itself (the one PJ asked), still doesn’t make sense. How is a rap lyric proof that people don’t care about Black women?

          • Malik

            Panama was probably talking to feminists and how violent language is generally used to described male-female have chex.

            • That Ugly Kid

              But…chex is violent. Metaphors like “beating”, “pounding”, “slamming” are describing acts that are actually taking place. You ARE “slamming” into her when you thrust. The sound you make while doing certain positions (i.e Doggystyle) IS reminiscent of “pounding” a drum. You ARE “beating” the vagina up, especially if she’s sore the next morning, etc.

              Other metaphors like “killing”, “murdering”, etc are just exaggerated versions of the ones listed above. Insinuating that the male will above average at chex.

              • Malik

                Not all sex is violent.

                • That Ugly Kid

                  Well, obviously. But it can be. Not to mention that the metaphors in question are mostly used when the parties involved are talking about fun, casual, chex and not “lovemaking”. Which is much slower, and passionate.

                  So, I still don’t see why people complain.

                • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                  Agreed, but if the sex that you have can’t at some point be similar to some sort of violent act, well, what kind of sex are YOU having?

                  • Toria

                    boring, vanilla sex :(

                  • Bunni

                    Thats boring sex. Good sex needs to be well-rounded….a healthy mix of violence and tenderness, IMHO.

                  • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

                    i said this upthread, but i think that agressive and violent are two different things. the violent language thats being used these days almost implies wishing to inflict pain upon your partner, which is no bueno, in my personal opinion.

                    that said, a little hair pulling never hurt nobody

                  • ‘L’

                    LMAO

          • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

            His, PJ’s, point was; why is there only an outcry when rappers breach a boundary of racial insensitivity and not when they go off on Black women.

            • Malik

              Because we haven’t cared about direct responses for Black women since Robert F. Williams? Or Latasha Harlins for indirect responses.

            • That Ugly Kid

              Except, there is. Unless we’re gonna forget about the hoopla concerning rappers who’ve shown public dislike for dark skinned women. Yung Berg’s “Darkbutts” comment, etc. Then that outcry evolves into a heated discussion as to why rap is “terrible” or “you can’t spell ‘crap’ without rap” type comments, etc. Much like what’s happening now. And in a week or so, we’re all going to move on with our lives.

              • Aly

                Yeah, except in Lil Wayne’s case, outcry actually led to action. The record company pulled the song. Has this ever happened with misogynistic lyrics?

                • That Ugly Kid

                  This song is an outlier, though. Let’s not make it seem like they are pulling every offensive song except ones concerning misogynist lyrics. Eminem was seen as the anti-christ back during the early 2000s. Just a few years ago he rapped about, as a reference to the Columbine incident, about putting kids in a single file line and shooting them all because they were bullies.

                  The only reason why action was taken place was Emmett Till’s estate got involved and threatened legal action or something.

                  • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                    They didn’t actually threaten legal action at all. They just made a statement. They don’t own a copyright on his name. And even if they did, you can’t stop somebody from speaking somebody’s name. It aint like he’s being slandered.

                    And Eminem was seen as the anti-christ, but none of that had anythign to do with women. That had to do with white people listening to what he was saying and parents and organizations losing their sh*t over it. There are outcrys about hiphop on occasion, but usually it has nothing to do with women. Which is my point. Why the hell does this matter over something that happens constantly?

                    • Rewind

                      The political outcry for the subjective ness i of women in hip hop died in the 90s after Snoop &the Dogg Pound laid out their albums. At that point. the old people stopped trying because ti was clear the young folks didn’t give 2/3 of a f.ck anymore, they just wanted to boogie down.

                    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                      that’s probably the most accurate reason.

                • Rogman

                  Truth be told I doubt this song would have been pulled if it was a big hit

                  • Bunni

                    Totally agree.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                Yung Berg’s comment ruffled feathers b/c of the dark part of it. Again, race. Nobody cares about women unless we start differentiating. And even then, we only care about talking sh*t about darkskint women.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

              yep.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            Like Val said, its the point that folks get up in arms about this, yet the rampant and constant lack of respect for women is just par the course so much so that we don’t even notice or care.

            • Dignan

              PJ, do you think that the reason that the Till line was different was because it referenced a specific person that is respected within (at least part of) the Black community?

              I mean, there are tons of songs about b!tches and h0es, but if Lil Wayne had a line that was really disrespectful about Michelle Obama, maybe there would be an uproar about it, and maybe the song would get pulled. Agree? Disagree?

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                You’re probably right. That’s more than likely what it is. Cuz lawd save the individual who besmirched MIchelle Obama’s name.

            • ‘L’

              Fella’s perhaps u should get on that. The problem is most of the outcry is initiated by women, then consigned by men. Let’s c what happens if men lead the effort…as it should b. Where r u warriors?

      • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

        Glad you said it bruh. Personally, I’m just waiting for the cape and tights at this point. What ever happened to that superhero uniform maker from the movie The Incredibles?

        • rooseveltdunn

          he may need an iron man suit at this point.

        • Malik

          Read the article.

          • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

            I did. What did I miss?

            And you’re Captain Save-em act is getting old. You aren’t some kid on the base who is desperate for friends after moving every year.

            • Malik

              “Or is this just more proof that we don’t care about women?”

              I was responding to that portion. I’m not “saving” anymore. It’s a reality that the Black community doesn’t mobilize over the sufferings of Black women. There isn’t any room to debate that. It ranges from apathy to hatred towards Black women when issues about Black women being harmed are discussed. That’s the world we live in and there is absolutely NOTHING to refute that.

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                Malik: one what empirical basis do you make your claims of all the supposedly bad treatment Black Women suffer? We know, for example, that violent crimes of all kinds, are at all time lows. We also know, that VAWA is likely to be reauthorized. Please explain to me and the rest of the forum how you come to this conclusion that somehow Black Women are being so put upon?

                Thanks

                O.

                • Malik

                  You’re an illiterate. Go sit in the corner and reread.

                  • rooseveltdunn

                    lol how can he re read if he is illiterate?

                • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                  Anybody attempting to discuss this with you whose been here before should know better. LOL. #cmonson

              • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                I’m not buying it. It might not be as widespread as you like, but I’ve consistently seen Black women AND men speak up about women’s issues. To say otherwise is begging the question.

                • ‘L’

                  Not women’s issues…Black women’s issues.

            • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

              Ouch!!!-but real rap, though. The White Knight-in-Blackface act is getting kinda tired, Malik. I’m just sayin’.

              O.

              • SweetSass

                It’s called empathy. He has it.

                • rooseveltdunn

                  lol coming from you though….

                  • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                    ZING!

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  Empathy is overrated – especially considering that most Women have none.

                  O.

                  • SweetSass

                    Bollocks.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

              What exactly did he say that was so f*cked up? Real question.

              • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                He brought up how people don’t listen to the suffering and concerns about women when the subject was tangentially, at best, about the suffering of women as a whole. This isn’t the first time he’s come out of nowhere like this, and it comes off desperate sounding. We get that Malik “cares” about women. Though I’m wondering if he actually respects them enough for women to speak for themselves. It’s not like we have a bunch of conservative-minded shrinking violets here.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  Boom. I’ll be brutally frank about what I perceive as a naked appeal on Malik’s part to pander to the ladies. A clear and present reproductive strategy that I find personally find repugnant, in part for the reasons you cited, Todd. Very well put!

                  O.

                  • Malik

                    I’d rather be me than a man like you who has aspirations of being the Eldridge Cleaver of “game theory”.

                  • http://pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

                    Um… the fact that a man defending women’s hardships is automatically labeled as “pandering” proves that men being sympathetic to women abuse ain’t the norm in and of itself.

                • Malik

                  Are you seriously going to argue that it’s the norm within the Black community for Black men to sympathetic to Black girls and women being abused? My position hasn’t waived at all from that despite people’s inability to actually address that or function at 3rd grade level reading comprehension. Neither have I ever wavered from the fact that I believe Black people should be supportive of one another. It is mostly one sided and that is evident at least here during each and every single conversation here regarding a story covering a Black girls/women.

                  It didn’t come out of nowhere, Panama specifically expounded on that fact several times in the comment section. Fall back on that desperation garbage just because you maintain some false air of objectivity.

                  • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                    Are you seriously going to argue that it’s the norm within the Black community for Black men to sympathetic to Black girls and women being abused?

                    Yes, yes, yes, 1000 times YES!

                    You’re mistaking the fact that there are sexist dudes within the Black community for the fact that most Black dudes are sexist. There are sexist dudes of all stripes. Does that mean all men within those groups don’t care about the fate of the women in their community? I read your point clearly. It’s just that it’s mistaken.

        • Negro Libre

          “I endorse hate speech; I don’t give a f*ck” – Patrice Oneal.

          Funny thing about living in Boston or Massachusetts or New England is the racism, like I mentioned above. Mind you, we live in the most liberal, the most PC part of the country. Yet, because of that, black people here are the most paranoid black people in America. Because white people hide their emotions; hide their anger and frustration; regular people use corporate language in everyday discussion etc, you never get to know for certain that what people are telling you is the truth.

          This is the end goal of PC culture, it creates a bunch of liars like white people in Boston. Lil Wayne said what he said. Certainly it’s offensive and it’s dumb, but it is what it is. Trying to generalize a silly statement and expanding it towards women as a whole in order to induce silence and shame, is just another way of creating a bunch of phony/passive aggressive people. If someone is wrong show them they’re wrong with logic and reason; not by group pressure or yelling about how offensive what the person said is: all that does is build resentment, pushes people into caves while they plot on how to destroy you and creates a passive aggressive and sneaky people.

          • rooseveltdunn

            +1

          • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

            Amen, my brother, AMEN! Though sadly, that passive aggressive BS has spread like a virus throughout New England. Grr…

          • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

            To quote Baratunde Thurston: “for a city with 49% non-whites, y’all do a great job of hiding it.”

            Seriously, I thought that Boston was the whitest city this side of the mason-dixon til I started befriending blacks & dominicans from there. and all the indians that have moved there to do their research

          • The Guy Formerly Know As Hmmmm

            you’re right. and in this post obama/post racial america its not just boston anymore….it’s spreading….

            • Dignan

              It’s always been that way in Minnesota. Those people invented passive aggressive, even before any Black folk moved to the state.

              • Bruce Geeroy

                When I heard about that “minnesota nice” shit…let’s just say I was upset lol

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            So you think that I’m attempting to silence people into shame? You’re telling me that it makes no sense to point out an interesting hypocrisy in the criticisms of a culture?

          • SweetSass

            Negro Libre, you’re a hypocrite. You want to go non-PC but you can’t handle the shoe on the other foot.

            Well.. f*ck Patrice O’Neil. I’m glad that fat f*ck is dead. He was never funny and his whole misogynist schick came from the fact no woman wanted him.

            How about that for un-PC?

            • H.H.H.

              you forgot to talk sh*t about his hairline.

              B- for Non-PC.

            • KENYADIGIT

              Aw, that stung. I think Patrice was a funny guy. He was abrasive but funny. His views on relationships were incredibly refreshing as well.
              I think you would be classified as a bear.

            • rooseveltdunn

              He had a a long time girlfriend and was becoming one of the most popular comics out there. Act like an adult, outbursts like this only take away from any credibility you think you have, not every guy that says something about women is lacking for punani, lil wayne has multiple baby mamas including Lauren London despite his lyrics. To be glad someone is dead (who never committed murder or raped someone or did anything that messed up) is simply brutish and show a lack maturity on your part, I am not even trying to diss you.

              • Rewind

                Don’t even waste your time. It’s not worth it.

              • SweetSass

                You just can’t handle the un-PC truth.

                I bet his girlfriend from Canada was real… her name was Alberta… she was from Vancouver.

                • rooseveltdunn

                  she was there when he died plus they had been together a while it was not a secret. You made the wrong assumption and got proven wrong and now you resort to cheap ad hominem attacks and irrelevant conclusions to back up your straw man argument. There is nothing true about what you posted, but I think in a way you are a victim of your own hubris. Pity.

                  • SweetSass

                    Manti T’eo called and he wants his catfish fake gf back.

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

              That’s a bit extreme no?

              • SweetSass

                I’m just proving that people use “Let’s stop being PC” to excuse their forthcoming hateful rhetoric… but then they can’t handle it coming back at them or when their icon is the subject of someone else’s un-PC rhetoric… and the responses I am getting prove exactly my point.

                Hypocrisy thy name is ‘un-PC.’

                • KENYADIGIT

                  You can make the argument that there is a thin line between being “Un-PC/PC” and an A-hole but your comment upthread was firmly in the land douche.

                  • SweetSass

                    There is no line between un-PC and ahole.

                    Oftentimes the person who says they want things to be un-PC also starts introducing themselves as an a-hole as a way of exonerating themselves from any offense people derive from what they say.

                    • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                      Sourpuiss, everyone’s onto your act. You have nothing of merit to bring to the table other than a cautionary tale of Sista who got burnt as a result of her own misbegotten actions. Now go run along and try to appeal to one of those alternativ rocker guys. Good luck.

                      O.

                    • SweetSass

                      Obsidiot…everyone is on to YOUR act.

                      You can’t handle the truth.

                      Tale of a broke azz brotha who can’t get no love so made a fake persona of a playa ‘game’ -
                      master online and write whole blog entries in the comment section of some actually well-liked brothas blog.

                      Sad.

                • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                  So in other words, you’re just looking for a reason to bully people. Nice to know what’s going on in your head. *smh*

                  • SweetSass

                    No, I’m giving the bullies a taste of their own medicine.

                    • Marshal

                      I’m sure that what Chris Dorner was doing towards the LAPD as well….

                      Two Wrongs Don’t Make a Right, Remember?

            • The Guy Formerly Know As Hmmmm

              damn sweetsass….

            • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

              Wow….just wow.

              I swear that unless a dude is a hardcore womanist to the point he has Audre Lorde and bell hooks tattooed on his chest that you have NO love for dudes. I’m glad you live nowhere near me. You’d probably swear I’m abusing my daughter somehow by doing most of the raising.

              • SweetSass

                I was being intentionally inflammatory to illustrate that when people say they want to take off the proverbial gloves they don’t mean for their opponents to be able to do the same thing.

                In real life I don’t really care about Patrice. I was just using this as an example of how people who wanna talk reckless cannot handle that level of recklessness thrown back at them.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  I would love for you to “take off the gloves” with me. Bring it. Please.

                  You can start with showing everyone that ever lovin’ grill of yours…

                  O.

                  • SweetSass

                    OK, Obsidiot… If that is really how you want it.

                    • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                      Ohhh, but I do, Sourpuss. Anytime you’re ready.

                      Say when?

                      O.

                • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                  Excellent back track. Excellent.

                  Kinda reminds me of this legendary performance. Billie Jean is truour lover. ;)

                  • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                    *Billie Jean is truly not your lover. Grrr…

                  • SweetSass

                    Back track? Can you read… I said it up front…

                    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                      No, here’s my issue with you. Every time you get called on your BS, you back away. This isn’t the first time you pulled off such a stunt. Hence, the Motown 25 video. I’d have a bit more respect for you if you actually stood up for your convictions. The fact that you run and hide every time you’re checked is damning.

                    • SweetSass

                      “You want to go non-PC but you can’t handle the shoe on the other foot.”

                      and “How about that for un-PC?”

                      You really need to up your reading comprehension skills.

                      Illustrating the hypocrisy was my entire point. I don’t know what the hell you’re going on about.

                      There is no ‘backtrack’.

            • Negro Libre

              Actually, I have no problem with that. I’ve heard worse ladies say that about him before he died, so I’m not mad at that. Also, you only said that for the sake of gaining a reaction, not because that’s actually something you believe to be true, by your own confession.

              The fact is that if a white person hates black people, for real, I would like to know. I’d like to know his rationale for doing so, and I’d like to be able to have a discussion with that person if they’re open to it. However, it is hypocrisy to say you’d like to discuss things with people and at the same time you want to limit what they say, when you don’t.

              Life is not sweet and some people wish death upon you, the enemy known is better than the enemy in the shadows.

              • Negro Libre

                moderation

    • H.H.H.

      just a few comments from your words…
      “It’s not just any other horrible Wayne line.”

      -”Rodney King baby yeah I beat it like a cop. Ha Haaa” – from the Carter 3, no? Wayne has a penchant for off the wall lyrics, Emmitt Till is par for the course.

      “When was the last time there was any major story within the Black community about any abuses given to Black girls and women that was UNILATERALLY sympathetic for the Black girls and women involved?”

      You mean like the Hadiya child who was killed last month? or the 7yo girl from Detroit that was murked by 5-0? or the army woman that was raped in WV?

      Can you give an example, to help me understand where your train is going on that one?

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        To be fair…Hadiya was like the 40+ something person killed in chicago this year. And she got national news b/c she was for the most part a “good kid” who marched in the inauguration parade. I think if she were a boy with a similar story, she’d have gotten as much press. You also can’t equate a 7-year-old being shot by cops as a being some type of sympathetic for Black women thing. It’s a kid being killed by a cop. That’s going to f*ck anybody up. And it feeds into our current disdain for police.

        And rape? I mean…its rape. If you can’t be sympathetic for a woman who was raped then what do you have in life? My point is, while you’re question is relevant, the three examples you picked don’t exactly undo his point.

        • H.H.H.

          are we as (black) men, truly sympathetic to rape?

          and i wasn’t trying to undo his point, but get examples that kinda go towards his point, so i could understand where he’s coming from. because i might not get it.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            Good question. I am. You ask others about this site as a whole and you might get a different response. But the point I was getting at there was, you report rape. So there’s no outcry for Black women in those situations. It just facts of what happened and we as people add our own bias there.

        • That Ugly Kid

          Panama, now you’re reaching. You (and Malik) both asked questions concerning outcry over Black women getting abused/killed, but when presented with legit examples, you’re trying to nitpick at which examples “count”. Stop it. They all count. There was outcry over Hadiya, Rihanna, the women getting raped, the little girl who killed suring a drive-by, etc.

          Stop trying to add modifiers or specify the criteria whenever an example gets presented. They. All. Count. Now, will violent acts towards Black women (mostly ones that end in death) get as much press as those towards Black men? No. Because statistically it is MUCH more likely to happen to us, and we’re dropping like flies, especially here in Chicago. The alarming rate at which we’re dying, coupled with the fact that we (Black men) are much more likely to be victims of racial violence also adds to it as well.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            Naw homes, you just can’t read. The outcry was not over “Black women” per se. That was my point. Do they all count yes. But don’t pretend like they count b/c they were Black women.

            • That Ugly Kid

              Except, it was. Those incidents always started discussions about violence against Black women. Especially in Hadiya’s case. As well as the busdriver incident, in which people stated that the only reason he (the busdriver) took the action he did was because she was a Black woman.

              And then just like everything else, we forgot about it a week later. The only reason we remember the Rodney Kings and Trayvon Martins of the world was because of the blatant racial implications, as well as the fact their attacker(s) were/are set free.

              Otherwise, we’d forget them like all the rest and chalk it up as more Black on Black violence.

              • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                Had the example of the bus-driver been used, I’d agree with you completely. That entire convo hinged on her Black womanness. Except, if you remember, many folks, especially here thought she deserved that sh*t. So what does that say.

                In Hadiya’s case, again, I think we watch different news. The big story was who she was and the promise lost to ridiculous gun violence that needs to be stopped. It wasn’t some We’re losing Black women rallying cry. It was we’re losing our Black babies.

                Now I agree that we do forget sh*t a week later. It’s our mentality nowadays. I agree.

                But I do think that pretending like every time something happens to Black women it becomes a flashpoint for Black women is completely offbase. Does it happen on occasion? Yes. But most of the time? Not at all.

                • That Ugly Kid

                  Concerning Hadiya, since we went to the same high school and were in similar circles, I hear/see things from a different outlet. Of course major networks go for the big story, which was that she performed at the Inauguration, etc. But a lot of commentary I witness here, in Chicago, is that people are sick of losing Black girls and boys.

                  • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                    “It wasn’t some We’re losing Black women rallying cry. It was we’re losing our Black babies. ” ~ Panama Jackson

                    that was my point thru this whole thing. folks are tired of losing Black babies. and most of examples tend to go that route.

                    • SweetSass

                      This whole exchange is hilarious to me.

                      Do we really need to prove that sexism happens in the community?

                      If you deny it’s existance, you’re probably the one perpetuating it.

                    • That Ugly Kid

                      My point still stands. There was outcry over Black women. Point. Blank. Period. And just like any tragedy, the topic desolves into a much more all-inclusive one. With Trayvon people weren’t just talking about violence against Black men, it became a convo about racism in general. With Rihanna it turned into a convo about domestic violence in general. With Hadiya, it turned into young Black people dying. The list goes on.

                      These all-inclusive conversations, or tangents rather, don’t take away from the fact that the initial outcry WAS about a Black woman. Again, do they get as much press as Black men? No. But I’m tired of people acting like we just don’t give a f*ck about Black women (not saying that’s what you said) at all.

                    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

                      Different perspectives. Just b/c an outcry was made because of a Black woman doesn’t mean its about Black women. If that’s how you perceive things then, yeah, it stands to reason why we patently disagree on this.

      • Malik

        The fact that you don’t know the 7 year old and army woman’s name speaks volumes. None of those lead to a massive online and real life protests and stayed in the cultural conscious like they often do when Black men are murdered. People remember Trayvon Martin, Sean Bell, and Oscar Grant. The latter of which has already gotten a movie based off the murder (starring Michael B. Jordan and entitled Fruitvale). It won at Sundance btw. I’ll be surprised if remember Hadiya’s name come Spring or if she’ll just be the little girl who performed for the president or even if we remember her existence at all. We have a history of not carrying Black girls and women’s names after they are taken from us or worse blaming them for their own murder.

        • H.H.H.

          “The fact that you don’t know the 7 year old and army woman’s name speaks volumes.”

          it really doesn’t (because i forget names), but i get the point you’re trying to make.

          so how do we tie this lack of empathy into bolstering a change in rap music into soley positve uplifting theraputic music, and a censorship of ignorant, misoynistic rap tunes?

          • Malik

            Well I don’t want censorship. All that leads to is “colorblind” like politics where people just learn to code things differently. Some of the most predatory and misogynistic men I’ve met have been self-proclaimed feminist. I believe The Good Men Project website for example has been notorious over the past few months for actively defending/shielding rapists.

            I don’t think rap should be solely positive. It, like all Black music before it, should reflect the multiplicity of Black lives and experiences. That includes misogyny and misogynistic people because they are actively involved in all our lives. It shouldn’t just be that SINGULAR shade of it though and we need to progress to a place where we don’t both sweep it under the rug entirely or place the entirety of misogyny in American culture on the shoulders of Black men. We gotta be open to dialogues, conversation, and willing to be wrong in our initial positions even if they make us uncomfortable.

            • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

              Well I don’t want censorship. All that leads to is “colorblind” like politics where people just learn to code things differently.

              That’s the problem though. In order to “do something” for women, actions are going to be taken. While they may not literally be someone from the government literally approving and rejecting music, the net effect will be the same, effectively chilling speech.

              Personally, I believe sunshine is the best disinfectant. Instead of shutting up misogyny, it should be called out and explained. Some of it comes from a very real place of being abused by women. Some of it comes purely as an expression of the artists on insecurities and their investment in patriarchy. Some of it comes from causes that would seem out of left field to anyone. The only way you find out is by asking respectfully, not shaming people into silence.

        • H.H.H.

          “People remember Trayvon Martin, Sean Bell, and Oscar Grant. ”

          with that being said, how many of the young men killed in Chicago in January do you remember?

          i can’t talk. i don’t. i just hear another number. perhaps that’s my insensitivity. or perhaps thats the reality of being a black male in america. in the end, another number.

          *shrugs*

    • Rewind

      I read your point several times to make sure I understood it. I agree with you Malik, but I do have a question.

      Do you really believe that empathy for Black women and young Black girls would exist more if THEY WOULD FIGHT FOR IT? I’m not blind, while other groups can get all sorts of supporters, I find the groups who just keep their anger and frustration to themselves get drowned out eventually and left on the back burner (hence the problem with Black people in general). On top of that, to enter a fight using the same tactics over and over again, hoping for a better outcome never works. I am not sure what it would take for the proper response and attention to be given to Black women, I just know everybody handles the situation wrong at all times.

      • H.H.H.

        if they are our sisters, our daughters, our ‘allies’…why should they have a need to fight for it?

        shouldn’t we as their brothers, as their fathers, fight for it moreso? because that is our job as protectors?

        • Marshal

          The thing is there are Plenty of Black Men, like Malik, out here doing it, BUT when you have Other Black Men and even Some Black Women shouting Captain Save ‘Ems and being Apathetic, the Argument and Movement is just an ember.

          “Independence” and the Flip-Flopping that is Gender Equality and Chivalry doesn’t help either

        • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

          ~ shouldn’t we as their brothers, as their fathers, fight for it moreso? because that is our job as protectors?

          this is soo swoon ~*~ thanks for the smile

        • Rewind

          There are times when heroes are called villians for trying to save the day. Some people will be angry that you tried to protect them, because they don’t see it as your duty, even if you do.

          I used to believe it was my job as a man to defend the honor of a Black woman. But in the end, that left me with no honor, a lot of bitterness, and no real reason to continue my fight. So either I was wrong, the ones I fought for were wrong, or we were all wrong together.

          • H.H.H.

            if you in your heart, as a black male, believe you are doing the right thing, by standing up for the honor of a black female, then sir, there is nothing wrong with that.

            we have a generation of males and females, where the common courtesies and manners that previous generations were taught, are like Godfather IV….#neverseen

            that doesn’t mean you stop doing it…that means you show up and do your thing, and let your actions stand in conjunction with your beliefs.

            if you see something wrong, be the bigger man and say something about it (so long as it doesn’t put you in mortal danger; and believe me, i’ve seen enough news reports that it can happen). but we as males can’t just sit and wait. If that makes you a Batman…then so be it…I have no problems being an Itachi. If the music that we listen to, that we support is “THAT” detrimental to the souls of our so-called ‘allies’, then we have to find ways to either eliminate this music and make lil wayne, trinidad james… “underground rap” and promote *looks in his ipod* XV, Domo Genesis, Homeboy Sandman (i’m just giving general examples, roll with it folks) and make that the mainstream rap.

            we know what the main problem is, and we’ve known it for the past 15-20 years, tunes that you’d only here at the club or strip spot, is now heard as mainstream pop music…now we gotta show some sorta initative to devise a realistic solution, or propulsion to change.

            m-m-m-m-maybach music.

            • Rewind

              I get your point, but I just pick and choose my battles now. But that particular fight, I have made my stance known and that’s as far as I go with it. I have no right to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn’t be, I can just tell them what I know.

        • Rewind

          There are times when heroes are called villians for trying to save the day. Some people will be angry that you tried to protect them, because they don’t see it as your duty, even if you do.

          I used to believe it was my job as a man to defend the honor of a Black woman. But in the end, that left me with no honor, a lot of bitterness, and no real reason to continue my fight. So either I was wrong, the ones I fought for were wrong, or we were all wrong together.

  • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

    Around 1995 or so hip hop went from music being made for Black listeners to music being made for suburban White male teens. And with that change rap began its transformation into a minstrel show.

    Part of the minstrelsy is the constant attacks on Black women, that C. Delores Tucker warned about, as well as the promotion of inner city violence. Rap became a musical video game in which Black women were used for sex and then thrown away and Black men were targets for bullets.

    I think a very large number of Black women have either given up on rap or have never gotten into as we have realized it’s not for us. In other words, we just stopped caring about rap in general. So, while the attacks and misogyny continue, those lyrics are mostly consumed by White males and Black males. Thus, you don’t hear any real outcry from Black women or the “Black community”, unless something totally beyond reason is said in the lyrics of a song, like the Emmett Till reference.

    • Latonya

      “think a very large number of Black women have either given up on rap or have never gotten into as we have realized it’s not for us. In other words, we just stopped caring about rap in general.”
      And the fact that its not that many female rappers besides Nicki Minaj. Nicki is just as bad as these male rappers when it comes misogyny, self absorbed, and unintelligent lyrics.

      • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

        “Nicki is just as bad as these male rappers when it comes misogyny, self absorbed, and unintelligent lyrics.”

        Yep, her song “Stupid H*e” proved that.

    • Aly

      I think a very large number of Black women have either given up on rap or have never gotten into as we have realized it’s not for us.

      There’s a third category as well – women who’ve become desensitized to the lyrics. Unfortunately, I think that I may fall into that category.

      • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

        Yeah, you’re right. And, I also hear women say they don’t listen to the lyrics, just the beats. Which I’m pretty sure is just a cop out.

        • That Ugly Kid

          I don’t think it is. Considering what’s being played on the radio. Most of the rap is just dope beats and catchy hooks.

      • Kema

        Yea… I think I’m on my “they not talking about me” ish.

        • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

          Yep, that’s another category. I’ll call that the Snoop Lion category since that’s the excuse he always uses when questioned about his lyrics. He says he’s not talking about all women. I think other rappers have used that too.

          • Dignan

            Wait, people are really calling him Snoop Lion?

            Reminds me of that line from the barbershop scene in Coming to America. “His mama named him Dogg, I’ma call him Dogg.”

            Maybe I’m in the wrong here. Has a public figure ever attempted a name change, only to have the public refuse to adopt their new name?

            My apologies for wandering off topic. I’ve had to take a bunch of cold medicine this morning, so I’m kinda floating and bobbing.

            • Aly

              Prince?

              • Dignan

                I had forgotten about Prince. That said, when you change your name to an unpronounceable symbol, it’s kinda hard to get the people to follow.

            • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

              you know i still cant call dude anything but Puffy. maybe Sean. but only maybe.

              Snoop is Snoop. he can be a Lion or a Dogg. or a Doggy Dogg. i don’t mind him shape shifting like this ..

              • Dignan

                See, I insist on never calling him anything but Sean Combs, just because I feel like he changed his name too many times.

                I remember the day that he changed his name from P.Diddy to just Diddy, and when he was asked why, he said, “I just feel that the ‘P’ was getting between me and my fans.” That’s when I decided that he’s Sean Combs from here on out.

                • T.Q. Fuego

                  ““I just feel that the ‘P’ was getting between me and my fans.” That’s when I decided that he’s Sean Combs from here on out.” Hahahahahaha, I can’t say that I blae u

      • AfroPetite

        Bingo.

        I think a large number of women that the current pop-rap genre targets are more so concerned about whether they can twerk to the beat or slow grind to it. Lyrics are essentially secondary and are quickly etched into memory if the hook is catchy enough.

        I do see a rise in these sing-song rappers who talk-sing about “love” and “being vulnerable” and “affectionate” see Future and Kelly Rowland— Never End as well as Rihanna and Future—Love Song

        • Aly

          Yup. It’s like, I don’t care what they say as long as I can shake my @ss to it. *hangs head in shame*

          • AfroPetite

            *goes to corner with Aly*

            Whatever, CIAA weekend is quickly approaching and I’m going to act a fool at this Grits & Biscuits party so I don’t care who’s judging humph

          • That Ugly Kid

            You shouldn’t be shamed, though. Music is, first and foremost, supposed to be entertaining. If you’re entertained, then it’s doing its job. Listening to misogynist lyrics doesn’t mean you support misogyny in real life.

            • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

              yes and no, at the same time ~*~

            • http://www.twitter.com/Bmorebmw Tentpole

              No, but sets up acceptance and allows the artist to go further into that dark hole

            • Bunni

              I’ve never been one to care that much about what lyrics are tahmbout, because I refuse to let every action in my life become politically motivated….can I just listen to some music and live my life and be great?? I think theres a diff btw a lyric and a message….a crude lyric is just a crude lyric….an entire song with the SOLE intention to degrade a group of ppl is a message…unless a rapper says “i put out this song to let my mama and sister and auntie and all you other heauxs know that you aint ish,” I’ll just elect to focus my attn on bigger issues than the 1st Amendment double edged sword.

            • H.H.H.

              “Listening to misogynist lyrics doesn’t mean you support misogyny in real life.”

              Sure it does…just like being an American means you support America’s policies.

              #Sarcasm #OrIsIt

          • Yoles

            i’m guilty of that too… dancing just knowing that they are not talking about me and sometimes singing along with gusto about bytches and ho*s…

            i’m a work in progress

            • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

              me too ~ complicity (and its discontents) are a funny thing ..

            • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

              “6-foot, 7-foot” is my sh*t. There’s nothing I can do about it. They tapped into my bloodline with that beat.

              • Aly

                Yes! Me too, WIP. Me. too.

                • Breezy

                  *hangs head in shame and sits in corner, sobbing bitterly*

                  I literally know all the lyrics to every song on the “Doggystyle” album.

                  • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

                    *also hangs head in shame

                    It ain’t no fun…

                    • Breezy

                      *cries bitterly while 2 stepping and singing*

                      ♫…if the homies can’t have none..♫

              • Kema

                6-foot, 7-foot

                One of my favorite songs to run to.

                • Ms. Bridget

                  I can run miles with this on repeat *sobs*

        • msdebbs

          Is that what future does?? I been trying to figure out this whole time is this negro a rapper or a singer??? I can admit I do sometimes listen to rachet music but I actually like to listen and learn the words..none of that twerk stuff for me. I’m good.

          • AfroPetite

            I want to say he’s a singer but he reminds me of T-Pain rip off so he could very well be considered an auto tune “rapper”

        • Royale W. Cheese

          I strongly believe that these songs are made specifically for stripper routines and strip clubs. That’s what makes sense to me.

        • Rewind

          It’s all about the fantasy. The ladies just love to shake off the real world and zone out. I get that. But when you zone out, you don’t even know what the world is doing to you.

          • Rewind

            But I guess that goes to everyone though…from drug users to people who eat way too much. Everyone can be guilty of trying to escape reality.

            • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

              it’s all an illusion. people just think they know some ish cause they thought it. ha ha. God’s got jokes ~*~

              • Rewind

                True, it is one sick ass joke, but it’s a funny one too.

                But humans as a whole will never get the punchline.

      • Royale W. Cheese

        I sing along with “down these females crawl” and feel kind of bad about it, but that doesn’t stop me from doing it again. Maybe I’m desensitized…or maybe I just enjoy doing the hipster thing where I ironically “enjoy” stupid crap that is totally out of character for me.

      • mena

        What’s funny is that I listed mainstream rap as one of the things that was good in theory. I also said that the beats were nice but the lyrics were inane. I admit that I am not a hip hop head but when I turn on the radio and all I hear are incoherent lyrics, it’s just not for me. The beats are what women listen to and Val made a good point. I have heard men rave about rap/hip hop (someone please explain to me if there is a difference bw the two) but I don’t know any woman that speaks about it the way guys do. The music is not made for us so the lyrics are just background noise to the beats.

        Again, can I debate with someone about rap fully. Nope. Can I tell you that the mainstream rap on the radio sucks. Yes sir. I can.

        • H.H.H.

          ” I have heard men rave about rap/hip hop (someone please explain to me if there is a difference bw the two)”

          Rap is the music of the culture of “hip-hop”.

          • mena

            Thanks. :-)

      • SweetSass

        Issa Rae’s Ratchetpiece Theater is a hilarious break down of the worst songs.

    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

      First, C. Delores Tucker really was a motherf*cker. No country for censors of any race, creed, color, nationality or sexual orientation, at least not while the US Constitution is allegedly in effect.

      Two, people of Ms. Tucker’s ilk have been prowling around Black culture since the days of freaking RAGTIME. The NAACP actually owned a record label in the 1920s featuring classical and gospel recordings. Why? To counteract the image of Black people as fans of that uber-destructive jazz, which was so destructive that tax dollars are thrown at jazz musicians nowadays.

      All people like C. Dolores Tucker are doing are passive-aggressively waving their uber-elite class credentials. Miss me with that. Or better yet, hope the snipers miss your head, you oppressive idiots.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        Angry much? LOL.

        I don’t mess with C. Delores Tucker either. Mostly b/c people like her never took the time to understand the individuals involved while passing judgement on the whole. Thing is, some of the music is absolutely indefensible. And I’m a fan of most of it. But I do at least know where it’s coming from. In terms of the…hmm…worst(?) of the lost, some of it is reality. But a lot of it is just ignant.

        Which really is my general point, though its been turned solely into a “why you trying to save women” sh*t…lol…y’all so angsty….is that why does a lyric about Emmett Till garner responses when nothing else ignorant does?

        • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

          I am militant with the First Amendment. You do not mess with my rights within that. Since I learned them in school, I’ve been vocal and vociferous about defending them to the utmost, especially when the attacks get spun out of nowhere.

          • SweetSass

            You need to ask your teachers for your money back. Now I now why you’re so mad at government, it failed you.

            • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

              I went to private school, for the record.

              These are the websites for my alma maters:
              http://www.allenchristianschool.org/
              http://www.martinluthernyc.org/

              Note the lack of government involvement in each.

              I didn’t go to a government-run school until I went to college.

              It’s a shame a certain Super Saiyan got kicked off the website. It turns out you two are the male and female halves of the same jacked-up coin.

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                Pwned – again!

                Maybe Todd can go for the hat trick…?

                LOL

                O.

    • OSHH

      Growing up with the genre of hip hop and being a hip hop head as youngin’ I went through several of these stages/categories that the ladies mentioned in these comments, until I had to divorce the genre all together. I could not take misogyny, the violence, the ignorance, the homoerotic nature promoted and DL lifestyles prevalent in the industry etc etc.
      Its like the wiser and more mature I become spiritually and otherwise the less and less I was interested in hip hop. I can’t be entertained by vile things and your ears are a soul gate, one must be very careful what you take in, in the name of entertainment.
      I heard entertainment defined as being detained so something can enter you.

      • AYFKM

        I agree 100%. As a young college kid you would catch me at the clubs grinding on somebody’s son to Luke’s Scarred and singing word for word with Akinyele all while attending one of P’s top 3 HBCUs. 20 years later, more mature and less driven by beats, I can’t stomach pop rap for more than a few seconds before I’m frantically pushing buttons to escape the aural rape.

        • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

          So when are you going to tell the young whippersnappers to get off your lawn before you drive off to the NAACP meeting? :)

          • IcePrincess3

            It’s so crazy how things have changed in 10 yrs. remember “tip drill?” Those young ladies at spelman CRUCIFIED nelly for some sh*t that had nothing (directly) to do wit them. Fast-toward to 2013, you got Trinidad James LITERALLY CALLING THEM HOES & CALLING OUT THEIR SCHOOL BY NAME, and nobody bats an eyelash! Poor nelly, you he’s just like wtf? Lol

            • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

              But it did have to do with us. Images are powerful, IP. And they have a long lasting legacy. So a video like that can certainly affect women at Spelman as much as any other Black women.

              People don’t take the time to differentiate a Spelman woman from a non-Spelman woman when it’s time to grab onto stereotypes to believe. Nor do they when it’s time to judge who is worthy of being treated like a human and who is not.

            • Malik

              Well in 2003 Nelly was one of the biggest stars in not just rap, but all in music. He was just as big as Em and 50 then.

      • Rewind

        Well entertainment rarely grows with its audience, and hip hop is a young man’s game. Very few rappers out there 35+ actually rapping about shyte a person who’s 35+ should be concerned about.

      • SweetSass

        I call it mental pollution. When you are enlightened you cannot countenance the stuff anymore.

    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

      Also, in terms of misogyny, I think Cornel West said it best. He said that misogyny isn’t in and of itself a bad thing because, yes, women do men dirty from time to time. The problem is that when the other side of the coin isn’t represented. Women should be shown in all their qualities, good, bad and weird.

    • SweetSass

      Yes, to all of this. Exactly why I don’t listen to rap. My Pandora is all alternative rock and electronica.

      • Malik

        You don’t like misogyny so you listen to alternative rock? O_o

        • That Ugly Kid

          No no, Malik. Let her have this moment….

          • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

            Now we know who she really thinks of as a man, baby. Let that vanilla peen SLAY a sister. She ain’t checking for no God damn n….

            • Dignan

              I’ll have you know that we don’t slay with our peens, we crush.

              Gawd, if I had a nickel for every douchey 2520 frat boy that I’ve heard say something to the effect of, “man I CRUSHED that p*ssy last night!”

              \_

            • SweetSass

              What the h*ll?

              Since when is listening Sarah McLaughlin , Gotye, Kimbra, Phoenix, or Florence + the Machine any evidence that I am pro-white male hegemony?

              Ya’ll wildin’ out.

        • Dignan

          Wait, which alternative rock is misogynist?

          I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I’m saying my memory is faulty.

          • Malik

            Weezer is always the first to come to mind as moderately big and having a long trail. I haven’t kept up with rock bands in several years though.

            • SweetSass

              I don’t listen to Weezer. Or John Mayer.

            • Dignan

              Fair enough. I was thinking of Afghan Whigs, but that was 20 years ago. Then there’s Limp Bizkit, but that was 15 years ago, and misogyny was the LEAST of their issues.

              I can’t think of anything from the past five years that strikes me as misogynist. Maybe Mountain Goats, but to me that’s less misogyny towards all women and more a guy laying out all of his pain that he feels towards one woman that he recently divorced.

        • SweetSass

          I think you’re mixed up about what I listen to. Rock is such a large category that spans from Tegan and Sara to Bon Jovi to Rob Zombie.

          More specifically… adult contemporary?

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            But couldn’t we say the same thing of Hip Hop? Indeed, that was the point of my comments earlier – there’s a huge difference between Lil Wayne and Black Thought (of The Roots) – but if you don’t listen to (or arre aware of) Hip Hop in general, you wouldn’t know (or care!) about that…

            O.