“Light-Skinned Points,” “Accent Points,” And More “Points” That Make People Seem Much More Attractive Than They Really Should Be

Still a bit confused on how this whole points thing works

***This is a revised version of an entry that originally posted three years ago. Enjoy***

In August of 2008, Panama blessed the VSB pulpit with “wlsg,” an entry which provided a definition for “light skinned points”

Light-skinned point(s). noun. 1) the additional attention that fairer skinned light skinned women receive over their darker-skinneded sisters whether or not their face actually warrants any attention at all. 2) the assumed increase in attractiveness laid before melanin deficient black women whether or not their face actually warrants any attention at all.

***For those still unclear about what this means, just think Evelyn Lozada.***

Yet, although this term gets the most mileage, it’s far from the only time black people assign “Points” —  the possession of an attribute or characteristic that makes a person seem much, much, more desirable than they really should be.

Here are 10 more.

1. Dark-Skinned Black Male Points

Single-handedly responsible for the popularity of Wesley Snipes, Taye Diggs, and at least two of them 112 n*ggas.

2. “She looks good for her age” Points

A few years ago, I had a 40-something colleague who all of the older (and younger) male teachers were sweating, as well as a few of the students, who’d always remark “Damn. if she looks like that now, imagine how fine she was at 25″. I agreed, until I saw a 20 year old yearbook picture of her, and was shocked to see that she looked exactly the same. At 25, she looked like a really good looking 47 year old.

3. Poet Points

I originally was going to just make it “Black Male Poet Points” until I remembered that female poets and spoken word performers have their audiences in a certain trance as well. Seriously, if you’re a Black spoken word artist and you still can’t get any kind of romantic rhythm, maybe sex with live humans just isn’t in the cards for you now, or ever

4. Big, ummmm, “Ego” Points

Put it this way: There’s a reason why at least 7 percent of the cats in every hood have never bothered to get driver’s licenses

5. “Good” hair Points

For many black men, the allure of the “good” hair is just as strong if not stronger than the light skinneded points. Seriously, I’ve seen n*ggas do back flips for minotaurs in pumas just because they could imagine playing in their hair

6. “Thick for a White girl” Points

For those who doubt the power of thick for a white girl points, ask any 28 to 40 year old brotha if he’s ever had a prolonged fantasy about big-bootied and strong-faceded Jenny Von Oy.

7. Black Male Blogger Points

Um, moving on…

8. “Shes a well-adjusted freak” Points

Because of the peculiar mammy/madonna/whore complex that affects how the Black community regards our women, orgasmic women who don’t sleep around but actually get great pleasure out of having jungle monkey matrix sex (and aren’t the least bit shy about admitting it) are at a premium, even if looks wise they happen to be more John Kerry than Kerry Washington.

9. Black guy who only dates Black women Points

Um, moving on again…

10. Foreign accent Points

N*ggas love nan’s (non-American nigg*s) with “exotic” accents more than midgets love Ikea. Seriously, if you’re a Black man or Black woman who’s having trouble dating, just barricade yourself in your apartment with tapes of Hugh Grant or Penelope Cruz for a month and practice sounding exactly like them.

That’s it for now.

People of VSB.com, did I miss anything?

Are there any other “points” out there that you’ve seen successfully affect someone’s desirability? Also, do you personally possess any “points” and, have you ever been “influenced” by an otherwise unattractive point haver?

—Damon Young (aka “The Champ”)

615 thoughts on ““Light-Skinned Points,” “Accent Points,” And More “Points” That Make People Seem Much More Attractive Than They Really Should Be

  1. Umm yes you missed hoes (excuse my french) with as$, the a double s will make a brotha dehydrated with thirst…..she could look like the bottom of somebody shoe but….they are deemed bad because they have as$…I never understand it, its just and excess of fat in one area…and if not groomed appropriately in the gym, it will start to resemble cottage cheese…yuck!

  2. Totally true about all of the above… but Taye Diggs is fine regardless. Wesley…now that’s another story.

  3. Sooooo I get 4 bonus points. Whoop!

    Oh and don’t foget “Good dad” points. With as many dead beats as there are out there, its hard not to swoon over a man picking his kids up from school.

  4. Oh, and you forgot “Pretty Locs” points. Living in DC, I’ve seen plenty of Wayne-lookin dudes getting ALL the love because they’ve got Wayne dreads, too.

    I’ll never get it.

    • Me and my friend talked about this a few weeks ago; she mentioned that women seem to go crazy over a guy w/dreads, then asked “Why is that?” We’ll probably figure out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop before we find an answer to that.

      • Yes, when the style is maintained correctly on a fine specimen; however, on many fools who don’t know what they’re doing it turns out looking like a yak’s a**
        IMHO

    • +1

      I was feigning for this football player on campus so hard because his logs were always well kept….immaculate even. He wasn’t the finest but his hair made it better

    • I really love pulling them… especially when receiving a certain oral favor. Le sigh anyway, I will be making a phone call and yes its 5 but you can do alot before work.

    • I have to admit, I fell victim to a good five months of dating a dude who was okay looking at best, but had pretty locs points (also several “good on paper points”).

      But I would like to add “mixed with asian” points. My eyes are ever so slightly slanted and guys will get hype asking if I “gotta a little asian” in me…pause. Anyway, I look totally black. But I do notice that the nigrahs love a black girl that looks asian whether they are truly biracial or just have some typical asian features. Even if the chic is not really “cute”. Not to say im not cute. Cuz im hot. lol.

  5. * Bangin body points. Like some of those chicks have butterfaces. And dudes will call them butterface behind their backs.

    * Non-black guys who prefer to date black girls. Robin Thicke is sexy, but he’s not all that fine. Just saying.

    * They play Piano/Guitar. Dude could be busted, have a busted attitude, and a chick will go nuts if he got the strum down. Same goes for good “sangaz” (Jodeci, anyone? Them dudes were hideous, but still got poonan). Just saying.

    • I’m going to also throw in “exotic” points. Just because someone possesses a multi-ethnic background or a feature that’s considered anomalous to most blacks does not equate to attractiveness

    • Women are just as guilty for giving points to other women for long hair. And it isn’t even related to what men find attractive. I’ve heard women say “you’d better not cut off all that hair, you’ll look like a dude” or “she looks more feminine with the extensions.”

      • This is so true! I’ve definitely heard this from a number of women. Both sexes seem to have their length hang-ups.

        • “I’ve definitely heard this from a number of women. Both sexes seem to have their length hang-ups.”

          Growing up, people gave me such hair envy because my hair was long. What I don’t rhetorically understand is why is there a hang up about long hair? So many black women have short/balding/unhealthy hair because of relaxers. Yet won’t do what is necessary to have long hair (i.e. don’t get a relaxer and don’t put one in your 4 year old).

            • Right. You can have long healthy hair with relaxers but many people do not apply these chemicals correctly and thats why they are left with damaged hair.

          • @GypsyCurl

            I feel you girl. I’ve experienced the same thing as you, except instead of hair envy folks were questioning my race trying to justify my length and texture. I swear if I had a dollar for every “what are you mixed with” question I’d be retired. Smh.

            I never understood the hair hang-up, though. I’ve always looked at it as just hair. It doesn’t make you or break you. And as Black women I think we can do some extraordinary things with our hair whether bald, short, long, whatever. We rock when it comes to our hair and hue variety. I wish we’d embrace this.

      • Ugh, that sh*t annoys me to no end. If someone wants to cut their hair, why should they take your pleading & begging them not to into account? That ain’t yo damn hair, let them do what they want w/it.

      • You ever notice what is considered long/length to black people would actually be mid-length/not long to 2520′s.

        • As the National Spokeswoman for White People Everywhere, I can agree with this. In most cases, one isn’t considered to have “long” hair until it’s at least to the middle of one’s back. Carry on and sh*t.

    • What’s funny about this is I have always had long hair and yeah guys loved it. So a year ago when I announced I was cutting it off everyone freaked out on me, said it would be ugly and not to do it. After cutting my hair off I got sooooooo much play it made no sense. Even had an ex hit me up and say “I just want to f*ck you with short hair” lol

              • i cut all my hair off too in 2008, walked into the barbershop and asked how does this work? took out my clip and said i’d like a caesar please… barber dude said what and another dude in the chair beside me said “nah ma, i don’t care what that n!gga did, we all fvck up sometimes, don’t cut all your hair off, it aint right!!!” i did it and like you i got play in a whole different arena… men and hair what a relationship

                • “nah ma, i don’t care what that n!gga did, we all fvck up sometimes, don’t cut all your hair off, it aint right!!!”

                  LMAO Priceless

                • I understand your concern, but that big chop usually happens after some sort of major life changes. It’s usually a dude, but it can be something else in your life, like family or work-related. Few women make dramatic hair style changes just ’cause.

                  • I big chopped after sitting in an organic chem lecture about cosmetics chemistry. I don’t even wear make-up, it was that crucial.

                    Oddly, I went natural and white dudes came out the wood works to holler.

                    • TRUE! I don’t know what it is about white men and women with shorter hair. Maybe it looks more classic and natural to them. I dunno.

                    • Okay, I’ve been lurking on this site for a minute and I know I’m late but I HAD TO comment on this. When I did the big chop how about these white dudes was coming out of no where. I didn’t even think it could have been my hair until I read your comment. huh.

                  • Or it happens when you just get tired of dealing with hair. I’ve cut mine off a few times. I love that perfect angle of a well-bumped bob. Can’t beat it.

          • No lie, I don’t mind short curly. I just don’t want my girl and I gettin a line up and a fade together.

            At the same… Well… You know…

      • I think short hair is the litmus test for attractiveness.

        Imagine Tyra Banks with a short TWA. *vomits* It’s bad enough when she has a pony tail that is pulled back so tightly we are forced to peep the alien visage…at least for the wretched in the facial area there is always extensions to distract the masses.

        • @demondog06

          I so agree with this. Although I don’t have short hair I think short hair is the shit! Every time I flip through a hair mag or leave the beauty shop I always admire the short do’s. I think they come out bangin’ compared to the regular press and curl or weave.

        • oh no. I, African Mami do not (grammar nazi’s suck an egg)underestimate the segggggizzzyness that was my short hurrr! Shoo, even if I had a head the size of a watermelon, I would not give a fug then, and even now. It’s all about rocking it with confidence!!!

  6. Parts of the Point System that I remember from college that both girls and boys talked about:
    1. The Country accent points
    2. The exotic name points
    3. The “They go down” points
    4. The He/She Can Dance Points: Every guy was ranked in terms of their ability to dance
    5. Herb Points
    6. Abs or Arms got you points too

  7. Long hair points for women. This is what drives the wig/ weave industry, and probably has Yaki collecting more hair than the Red Cross collects blood.

    Smell-good points.

    Passport points.

    Firefighter (or uniform) points. I can’t explain it. When I walk past a regular Joe in half-uniform, wearing his firefighter’s shirt and pants, he just seems very legit to me. Like, he’s not that dude that messages you with “hay ladie can I git you’re number cuz you a prettyful women.”

    • Smelling good always gets you way further than what should be allowed. If you’re rockin the old spice deodorant I can not be held accountable for my actions…

        • I’m a firm believer that smelling good is a key component to seduction. Humans are animals. Our olfactory senses play a huge role in attraction/mating. I swear to you I have multiple bottles of perfume which I use depending on my mood and whether I want to stimulate a dude’s senses…LOL. It hasn’t failed me either.

        • Two guesses as to which deodorant I currently wear…lol
          I couldn’t write this stuff…funny…a lil weird even

    • YES..to passport points. And dont let the ninja speak more languages than me (i speak three, will be adding a forth soon) lol

    • In addition to passports I’ll add reading ninja points. My brother may never be single the way women in his masters program throw themslves at him. Passport + reading ninja points= winning.

    • I see your Passport points and raise you speaking a foreign language fluently points. The holy grail: french speaking negroes. jebus.

    • YASSSS Uniform points! Ding ding! A man in a military, cop or firefighter uniform is hot. Don’t let him be attractive at the same damn time. Oh, Jesus help me. Done.

  8. And out off all these points….. its sad non of the “guarantee” a healthy/good relationship but I do give points for morals ijs just to toss that in

  9. -Reached 30 and don’t have no kids points.

    -college grad points

    -has a good job/a job points

    -athlete points

    -sexy girls who actually understand and enjoy sports points

    *whoever that guy is in the pic… He gets negative five thousand points.

    • “-Reached 30 and don’t have no kids points.”

      I think that actually gets a lot of folks negative points, for some strange reason. Not having kids doesn’t make you look sexier, it just makes people wonder what you are waiting on.

        • LOL. Do people even care what that is anymore?

          I recently had a very interesting convo with an old friend who is married, has recently started trying to seriously negotiate having a kid with me (to combine brain power into one super-kid), and tried to convince me that marriage and kids are wonderful for women. Yes, an embodiment of proof of how marriage can suck for women was telling me that marriage is great, for women.

          • I’d like to see a blog post exploring the thought process behind a male’s desire to colonize women’s ovaries, even if the colonization is entirely inappropriate (he’s married).

          • “I recently had a very interesting convo with an old friend who is married, has recently started trying to seriously negotiate having a kid with me (to combine brain power into one super-kid),”

            Wow.
            That sounds like a very interesting conversation… o.O
            wonder what kinds of crazy sht the super-kid would think up though…

            • “wonder what kinds of crazy sht the super-kid would think up though…”

              LMAO. Now that’s a scary thought.

      • I agree. For women, it can equate to being seen as a stuck-up professional sister who thinks no man is good enough for her, and for men, it means people speculating that you’re gay! It’s a shame that actually planning your life is seen in a negative light in the black community.

        • Agreed. It is indeed shocking. If you are in your late 20s and beyond without a kid, people assume that something is horribly wrong with you. Even people who know better will give you the “what’s wrong with you face?” before they realize the error of their ways.

      • “-Reached 30 and don’t have no kids points.” Givens you about 25 points on my scale!! That’s a beautiful thing! and hard to find nowadays

    • “-sexy girls who actually understand and enjoy sports points”

      Very true! Guys go crazy when they learn you can intellectually debate/discuss sports with them.

    • “Reached 30 and don’t have no kids points”

      I waited until I finished grad school, traveled, and focused on my career and now at 33 getting ready to have my first child. But I’ve heard it’s a negative quality when women don’t have children by 30 with a lot of people, especially outside the Northeast.

      • I keep saying 2 more years. I’m 31 and at this point I’m thinking there is no really good time, just need to do it. I haven’t had any guys react negatively when I told them no kids though, especially the very small few who didn’t have any themselves.

    • *Reached 30 and don’t have no kids points*

      I think you only get all these points if you under 30, particularly in the 18-25 range. At 30+, you may get some points, but it will probably be followed by a “wonder what is wrong with her” side-eye. Especially if you are single, attractive, educated, and all that jazz.

      • @Mjoy- Those are all good marks on your jacket! No kids by 30? Thats awesomse. Live your “young” years to the fullest before you have a baby. Your biological clock is good till @ least like 37. Do you boo!

        • I’m 35. That biological clock has quieted down a lot, and I see that havin’ babies ship slowly drifting away. I’m not chasing after it, either. Children need good fathers and I have no prospects.

      • I have honestly never heard of this till I saw it on VSB. Every time people asked me if I had kids and I said no, I got the impression they were pleasantly surprised. Especially men. But maybe I’m myopic. If I get a side eye from women, I always figure they’re a little jealous of my fancy free lifestyle. But I have never ever heard someone say what’s wrong with you because you don’t have kids. Or anything like that.

        • Same here. I have been told I need to get started once asked how many kids I want eventually…. lol but I take that with laughter!

  10. tatted up points: women(and some dudes) will overlook a persons face if their are tatted up. I don’t know what happened but in last 5 or so years tats have become sexy, i blame lil wayne

    bi-sexual points: the thought of fulfilling 3some w/openly bisexual chick is 99.9% of men fantasies. a “6″ that admits she is bi and/or down for a 3sum could move her up to an 8. the bisexual points hv extended a few relationships, i know of 2 friends that wanted to leave their girls but she was down for 3sum so they stuck around smh lol

    I love sports points: women always claim to like sports but really just lying to seem more dateable or just think players are cute, but when a chick REALLY knows and love sports she is wife material. she will understad why u don’t want to go out on sundays during football season or won’t complain u rushed her off phone while nba games was on, bc she will be doing the same and/or watching with you

    • i love tats but not any old random scattered non cohesive tats but stories told in pictures that consist of entire sleeves and full backs… no neck, no face and no hands…

      once i had a lawyer who had both sleeves completely done just a collage of his life story… i could barely concentrate to keep myself out of jail on some trumped up traffic yes i said traffic charges… beautiful sleeves and he wore short sleeve button up shirts under his jacket… all i could think is… its a new dawn a new day… & i’m feeling it

    • Tats get you no where with me. And to be honest, I never understood women getting sleeves or who sections of their body covered in tats. Also, the darker you are…let’s just say that if no one can tell the color of ink you received, why are you getting a tattoo?

    • Bisexual points for women was a good addition. Props to bleekgilliam for that one.

      Also props to whoever said edgy/bad boy persona points

  11. Accent points can be regional too, not just non-US ones. As a Noo Yawker, some Southern accents get big points with me.

  12. Tatted up points…if a man has a nice body and rockin them ” snap backs and tattoos” its a done deal. No need to see the face…..especially if the hat is low enough to cover lol

  13. She can sing points.

    Everytime a guy finds out I can sing, they get TOO excited. Still not sure what the big deal is though.

    Nice lips points.

    *In my Forest Gump voice* And that’s all I have to say about that.

  14. Being at least 6’0 points
    Having any musical/artistic skill points
    Dressing well points.. It wouldn’t hurt for some guys to pick up a GQ every once in awhile…

  15. 11. Swag Points
    Women everywhere seem to be obsessed with this sh*t. They want a man who got swag. What does this entail? Not sure. But I’m kinda leaning towards wearing the latest fashion (nut crush jeans) and acting like a Kanye.

    12. Big Booty Points
    Almost every heterosexual black man alive gives these out.

    Man #1: D*mn that b*tch look like the insides of a small intestine.
    Man #2: But she got a donk on her though. That’s a face down-azz up deal. I’ll hit as long as she ok with kissing pillow all night.

    13. “It’s Funny/Catchy” Points
    These are the only reason why terrible rappers like Future and 2 Chainz are hot right now. They suck. Period. But their sh*t is catchy and in the case of 2 Chainz, his lyrics are so bad they’re good.

    14. “He’s Rich” Points

    Lil Wayne has kids. Enough said.

    15. “He’s CLEARLY Not At Fault” Points

    There is a 33 year-old black man who was recently discovered to have 40 kids by 11 different females. I want to believe that no man on this Earth is this f*cking stupid.

    • Kanye defines swag? I’d think someone like T.I. would be the prototype.

      And as far as the guy with all those kids, what about the women who continue to get pregnant by him?

    • 11. Swag Points
      Women everywhere seem to be obsessed with this sh*t. They want a man who got swag. What does this entail? Not sure. But I’m kinda leaning towards wearing the latest fashion (nut crush jeans) and acting like a Kanye.

      Exact reason why I’m in love with ASAP Rocky even though he looks like this chick I know.

    • I think women also give men “He’s Got A Girl” Points. This has to explain why women always come at me and flirt when I’m already in a relationship. When I’m single, I don’t get nearly as many looks. Can women just smell a man’s taken-ness or something? Because this sh*t always happens. When I’m single, no play. When I’m taken, buffet. Young Money.

      I can’t stand it! Can I get some attention when I’m single, please? And don’t look at me, see the glasses and the Cosby sweater and approach me like I’m a nerd. Because I am. I will talk about Spiderman being in The Avengers sequel. And if you so much as imply that the Hulk can beat Spiderman, I will walk away, and tell your waiter to add some unwanted lubricants to your next round of drinks. Know your audience.

      • Women are into men that aren’t checking for them. They don’t know whether or not a man is in a relationship but they are attracted to the aloofness that being taken affords a man.

        I’m predicting that Spiderman will not be in The Avengers sequel. Too many things to work out. Would it be Tobey Macguire or the spikey headed f*ck that’s starring in the reboot? On film Spiderman needs to be re-established in the American psyche first. And if Spiderman and Hulk went toe to toe, Spiderman could only aspire to ESCAPE. There is no way he could DEFEAT Hulk. #nerdbeef

        • Word, son? Spider-man already stated in a conversation with Mary Jane that he knew exactly how to beat The Hulk. But he’d only use it as a last resort. Because he’d actually end up KILLING The Hulk. Spiderman is the GOAT. Accept this. I’m not above enduring countless papercuts by sifting through comics to prove this point. *pushes glasses up on his nose and adjusts pocket protector.*

        • To my knowledge he’s stopped the Hulk twice. Once while he was possessed by Captain Universe and he punched Hulk into space. The other time he just simply out thought Big Green. Hulk had Spidey in a bear hug and was about to crush him and Spidey told him a knock-knock joke. It was so out of the blue Hulk couldn’t help but turn into Banner.

      • This goes for women and men. When you are taken, you put off a certain air of happiness and confidence. Both are attractive qualities.

      • I think women checking for a taken dude can be broken down into two sets. The first kind is someone who is on the fence about a dude on his attractiveness. Once she finds out about a girl, she’s thinking that maybe dude do have something after all. The second kind is the type of woman who gets off just taking dudes from other women. They want to believe that they’re so all that that a man would do anything for them.

        I can respect the first. Heck, dudes kind of do the same thing with a girl that hangs out with a lot of dudes and is cool with them. The second? Well, that’s how people get f*cked up, in the words of D12.

      • women are like jobs…it’s easier to get one when you already got one..

        as for hulk vs. spidey…i will refer you to the hulk mini series future imperfect,
        in the future hulk flips out and kills every known super hero and becomes a dictator named the maestro. the only hero stong enough to face him was the present day hulk before he went nuts….so….yeah

    • #14: Rich (real, or imagined) What’s the guy’s name who was married to Jen on one of the not-quite-a-housewife show? Eric, I mean WTF, have you seen him?! For a dollar and a nice house or is it his personality and ability for the slow n’ low?

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