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Fighting The Power With Radio Ruckus

Jesse? Jesse, dat you at the frigidaire???

(If you have iTunes, click this link to the Jesse Lee Peterson Radio Show and our episode is labeled “Tragedy of Black Babies” LOL. We are the last hour and start at about the 1: 28 mark.)

I didn’t want to do this interview. Let me state that upfront. In fact, when we got the initial email showing interest in having Champ and myself on the Jesse Lee Peterson show, my first reaction was, who in the hell is Jesse Lee Peterson and what part of Arkansas is he broadcasting from.

But it turns out Mr. Peterson, Jesse Lee that is, is a quite well-known and accomplished (political leanings aside and dbaggery aside, but I’ll get to that) speaker and organizer. Then came the Wikipedia page that convinced me that I was right. Mind you I’d never heard of this dude before but his list of accomplishments amazed me. This ninja thinks Obama hates white people, thanks white people for slavery, started an actual Anti-Jesse Jackson day (jury’s out on whether or not this is a good or bad thing), is a Republican, right wing extremist and conservative. And he’s a reverend. Basically, this motherf*cker is Uncle Ruckus’ ordained cousin, Rev. Ruckus.

At this point, I decided I need to seek counsel from everybody except my father who I’m pretty sure would curse me out for even considering doing this ninjas show. I talked to family members who all told me not to do it, but at the end of the day, Champ and Liz convinced me that this might be a good idea. At the very least we could have fun and if there was ever an opportunity to do some crime-fighting, this would be it.  But I felt dirty. And for the most part, my gut was right.

With that said, here are ten things that I learned while actively participating in both the best and worst radio interview and convo we’ve been apart as VSB…

1. First rule about doing a radio interview with a ninja named Jesse Lee Peterson is don’t do a radio interview with Jesse Lee Peterson.

I don’t think the guy’s a bad guy, but wow, even before we got on the horn with him I thought he needed to have Siemen’s furniture. From the outset of the show, my suspicions were confirmed. Which brings up another point…

2. There’s no way you can truly prepare for somebody who’s entire opinion and reason to be is in direct contradiction to everything you believe in life.

I imagine this is what rappers feel like visiting shows like Bill O’Reilly or what a convo with Glenn Beck would feel like. Which is interesting, I always wondered how they always seemed to have a leg up on their guests, but when you control the convo and aren’t answering questions yourself, you have that power. We somehow ended up on the defensive for the majority of that convo. Which is fine, defense wins games. But I’ll concede that he definitely tripped me up a few times…like…

3. Apparently Jesse Lee hates Black women.

Grandiose statement? Perhaps. But I’ll be damned if his presumption that most Black women are angry didn’t lead me down that path. Then again, it’s all perspective. Was he talking about the angry Black women stereotype, or legitimate anger that women can’t seem to find good men (or at least that’s what the media is telling us.) Who cares, his whole premise, initially, was that all Black women are angry. To the point where the motherf*cker asked Champ how he deals with his girlfriend’s anger.

Point here is…

4. Just because you have a Black name doesn’t mean you give two f*cks about Blackness.

In his own way, Rev Ruckus thinks he’s doing a service to Black people by exposing our faults. And he would be if he wasn’t blowing white folks in the process. Oops, did Panama just say that? Yes he did.

5. Apparently I don’t even know my own mother.

The fact that I actually got into a spirited debate with somebody about my own mother is beyond me. Which brings me to something I realize more and more when we do these interviews. We get a lot of softball questions. The first time somebody came throwing boulders, I was so taken aback (not so much that he was going to, I expected that, but how quickly out of the gate he came with it) that I actually got suckered into a dumb a** argument about my mother, a woman I’ve known my whole life. Next time, kick rocks donkeynuts.

6. While I definitely got pissed at one point, I actually found the interview to be more comical than anything.

People who know me in real life know I get amped. Like all the way turnt up amped. I rarely back down and I go in all the way. Arsonist is not just a nickname, it’s a way of life. So it took all kinds of restraint for me to be easy. Though every time I called him “bruh” or “brutha” I’m pretty sure I was really calling saying “n*gga”.

7. I’ve never sent more “is this n*gga serious” text messages in my life.

I was both tweeting and texting during the interview. I actually had to mute my self a few times just to laugh because of the pure ridiculousness of this mofo. Not only did he twist some of our words up, he also created our own conclusions for us. But then again, I know I put dude in a position to do so by not being as direct as possible. Its like media-training-by-fire. I’m learning so much. Next time a motherf*cker asks me a question, forget what I think the answer should be, all direct all the time. “Hey Panama, should I jump off of this bridge?” “Yes, Jesse Lee, you should. No question.”

8. I found myself asking myself, who the f*ck was he listening to?

More than once he put words in our mouths…um….but the “are you a good man?” question where we both said yes, and he comes back from commercial break like “well one of you said no and the other said maybe” baffled me. I watched Crackheads Gone Wild on DVD yesterday morning and THAT exchange with Rev Ruckus was the most baffling thing that happened to me yesterday.

9. I’ve learned that research is important.

While on the call, I texted Liz to ask her to find out if he was married because I wanted to go there on this dude. But I couldn’t confirm one way or another and I didn’t want to hear, “this isn’t about me, this is about you and the BS answers you both are giving.” Which he basically said when he alluded to, “why are you guys doing this since neither of you knows how to give solid answers or provide anything worthy of note for anybody, much less lab rats, hoodrats, or big booty Judy’s named Bertha. Next time, I’m gonna have a freakin’ Match.com profile sheet pulled on anybody who wants to question our credibility.

10. I don’t actually disagree all that much with his stances on things.

Well at least I don’t disagree with his ability to have countering opinions to my own. I’m obviously more liberal than I thought, which is cool. Legalize weed. But that’s the problem with liberals…we generally just want people to live and let live. Conservatives not only think that’s bullsh*t, they want to talk about why it’s bullsh*t. No wonder why hippie music died out. Everybody became Republican and started hating on the younger generations. It’s the ciiiiiiiiiiircle of life. Oh, except his BS assertion that men have no business discussing or communicating their personal issues towards women. Cromagnon arse ninja.

I felt like this was worth sharing. A sort of director’s cut of behind the scenes imagery of what’s going on in the mind of folks while we’re doing these interviews and stuff. I’ve long felt like we could do a Behind The Blog on VSB and it would be the most entertaining sh*t ever.

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If you listened, any thoughts? Criticisms? Surprises? Talk to me.


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Damon Young

Panama Jackson is pretty fly for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future.

  • bhillboy37

    Uncle Ruckus is the inner Ninja hater in many middle aged blacks. Like a friend of my wife’s came over tonight talking about how she loves black people but she has the only black family in her sub division. Secretly we hate the niggrish part of us.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

      My love for black folks is as open as my hate for niggerism in all its ignorant forms.

  • TJ

    throat punches would have been in order. that and keyed cars. stupid arse idiot

    • miss t-lee

      *throat punches* are always needed.

      • monique

        when needed, they should be applied early and often.

        • miss t-lee

          my girl!!!! what up Monique! :)

  • tezzybaby

    Now I have to go listen to the interview before I give a full comment…brb

    • tezzybaby

      I like the “is this ninja serious?” laughs you and Champ are giving his blanket statements

      • tezzybaby

        *slow clap* to you guys for keeping your composure if I was in the studio I would be kicking over office chairs and fcuking up microphones in a non-angry black woman way of course.

        Other thoughts:
        1. You guys did great!!!
        2. The name Jesse Lee kinda sounds like he’d be Clayton Bigsbying it up, simliar to
        James Earl Ray or John Wilkes Booth.
        3. I like how the interview started low-key and morphed toward the end to a fcuk yo couch n*gga moment

        The funny thing is I heard of this guy awhile back for his inflammatory statements about the beneficence of slave masters and thought he was just the black Rush Limbaugh with a speech impediment. Glad to know my first impression was correct. I’m really interested in the backstory of how you guys came to be on this show though.

        • Girl Kanyeshrug


        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          There isn’t much backstory to this. They simply reached out. I assume that either somebody who works on the show either reads the blog or heard about us via some other channel just thru the ninjanets. Me no know. I’m curious as well.

          But ya know, it is what it is.

  • miss t-lee

    My favorite part of the interview was that caller…lol He was clearly p*ssed that his daughter was shackin’ up w/ a brotha and he wanted answers!! LMAO As I mentioned on twitter I’d never heard of the guy or his radio show before today, and I won’t be going to any lengths to hear him again. I’m glad ya’ll kept your composure while answering them silly azz questions.

    • http://www.divinetranquility.wordpress.com Miss Patterson

      Yeah, this will be the last time I listen to Jessie too, but Ralph (the angry father of the negro lover) was pretty great. The way he was talking about courtship TOTALLY reminded me of my old pastor.

      • miss t-lee

        Whoa, your old pastor?
        No bueno.

        • http://www.divinetranquility.wordpress.com Miss Patterson

          I should clarify. I meant ONLY the part about courtship that Ralph was illustrating to them reminded me of my old pastor e.g) getting to know each other, spending time together, learning your partners idiosyncrasies, etc.

          We had a singles group at our church and we talked about everything from s*x to marriage, including dating and courtship. However, my old pastor did challenge us on our beliefs about pre-marital s*x and that was also in line with some of the opinions jesse had about not living together, etc. However my pastor never said anything derogatory about women.

    • http://pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      YES! The guy calling in was hilarity. I was definitely on the edge of my seat waiting for him to make a n-word slip up. Because I could feel it coming. (twss)

      • miss t-lee

        Right? I was waiting on it too.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      you know, i wish i’d talked to Ralph a little more b/c he provided more random shots fired than a little bit.

      i think that was the problem…i’d need like hours and hours to fully delve into everything i heard. and i didnt have that kind of time. Ralph’s first statement was, “i see why black women are angry…” DIRECTLY referencing his assuming white daughters dealing with Black men. lol. missed opportunities.

      • miss t-lee

        Totally!!! I bet Ralph would’ve had plenty to say…lol

  • Kidsister

    I am downloading the podcast as I type. Before I listen, let me just say that I hate listening to things like this because it frustrates me so…I’ll be looking at everybody with the side eye today!

    • Kidsister

      OH WAIT, does that make me an agry black woman?!

      • http://qalil-com.blogspot.com Qalil Little


        I hate it when people needle me and then expect me to be nonchalant or whatever about it. Are they serious?

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        pretty sure you’re just an angry black woman just for breathing. at least that what i take from jesse lee.

  • Rog

    I’m listening and although its probably its irrelevant his lisp sounds hilarious, like Mos Def’s funny voice in the move 16 blocks.

    • Kidsister

      Im still listening as well, but this guy is butchering simple words left and right!

      • Rog

        Left, right, back and forth its damn near distracting enough to forget what he’s talking about.

        • Kidsister

          LOL! Exactly! I wonder if he listens to himself and hears what we hear…

      • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

        How hard is it to say “Michigan”?

        • Kidsister

          LOL! Apparently just as hard as it is to say brutha

          • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes


          • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

            … and “Damon.”

          • MrExcelsior

            How does one engage in “explo-ing”

    • Lina

      the fact that he can’t talk makes his views seem even more foolish

  • http://brotherjamesthetastemaker.tumblr.com ChaoticDiva

    I’m afraid to listen. Why? Because I know I’ll get pissed off at this dude, track dude down and….

    Wait, are the feds reading this?

    • Yoles

      hahahaha you’re so funny ChaoticDiva… we know you’re joking… just in case they read this mannnn you keep me in stitches!!!!!

      • tezzybaby

        cute picture yoles!!

        You know there is a 1 ninja maximum for the feds…and it’s Barack.
        So I think you will be good, if you need an accomplice…I know people.

        • http://brotherjamesthetastemaker.tumblr.com ChaoticDiva

          Yes, I will “hire” those “lawn workers” to help with my “landscaping project”. I hope they have “leaf blowers”. lol…

        • Yoles

          Thx TBaby!!!

    • http://qalil-com.blogspot.com Qalil Little

      Yeah, I know. I’m scared of pressing play.

    • http://eatreadrant-nadette.blogspot.com Nadette@Eat, Read, Rant!

      I second that notion. the whole point of VSB is to fight crime, and if I listen that sh*tf*ckery in my current state of mind, bodies will fall.

  • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81


    “Are you denying that Black women are angry?”

    “What type of women do men think they want?”

    “This is Ronald Reagan… Thanks for listening?!?” o_O

    Is this real? Did Aaron McGruder set up a version of Punk’d? I almost feel like he is just playing a character. I’m having a hard time believing this is truly how he sees life.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

      Aren’t all the Limbaughs and Becks of the world playing a character to some extent?

      • lotusflower11

        Glenn Bleck was some kind of radio clown before he got his shows on television. If radio clown wasn’t a real description it is now lol. He had a show on CNN, and got more radical when he got to FOX. These people market themselves and their rhetoric to gullible people who swallow it hook,line, and sinker. And they laugh all the way to the bank.

        • http://qalil-com.blogspot.com Qalil Little

          It’s all about the benjamins! Really, it is.

      • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81

        Valid point. But (while it pains me to say this) at least they’re White. And on top of that they have a much larger audience of the ignorant that they’re reaching. I have a hard time believing this man is reaching anywhere near their numbers. Also, if just feels like he’s purposely doing to much just to get attention. Like his idea is “Since I’m Black I can make myself a much bigger deal by just parroting what I hear Limbaugh say.” It just feels forced to me.

        • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81


        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

          When I hear/hear about stuff like this, the only thing that brings me any comfort is that not even these types believe most of what they say and are mostly playing it up for their respective audiences.

          As for Rev. Ruckus’s audience (I refuse to refer to him as anything else now), I doubt even his brand of ignorant shtick is going to draw many blacks folks. Other than those that will want to cuss him out that is.

          Sounds like he is going for the type of 2520s that will sop up his bullchit with their homemade biscuits and fancy dinner rolls alike. And if he is, Rev. Ruckus just might start pulling Limbaugh-like numbers which would make him one of the worst and most dangerous sell-outs in all of niggadom imo.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

            Can some please let my comment come out to play?

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            that was my argument too. who is this dude’s audience. but you really never know. my father watched all kinds of stuff just to get him riled up. so maybe there are lots of Black folks out there listening. and truth be told, it wouldnt surprise me. i think a lot more black folks agree with many of his stances (short of the slavery thing) than we think. they’re just a silent majority and only hang out with eachother on Sunday playing cricket.

        • kaname

          @TWIsM81 – I figure that viewpoints like fellow’s would only enable white broadcasters to say, “hey we’re not racist for saying (blank) about black people because a fellow conservative black host said it first, so it must be true, ’cause afterall, they’re his own people.”

          • kaname


          • tezzybaby

            Noone can tell me otherwise that this is not Rush Limbaugh in Blackface

          • http://www.twitter.com/drrdb TWIsM81


            Yeah, he knows that. That’s exactly why he’d be able to make a name for himself. He would provide validation for every ignorant, bigoted viewpoint.

            The problem with people like this is it’s truly a No-Win situation. If this is truly what he believes, then no matter how many educated, rational-minded Black people go on his show, the best they can hope for is being the Exception, yet the Rule will remain unchanged.

            • bumilla

              The problem with people like this is it’s truly a No-Win situation. If this is truly what he believes, then no matter how many educated, rational-minded Black people go on his show, the best they can hope for is being the Exception, yet the Rule will remain unchanged.

              real talk- the Rule is what makes it feel really heavy to be black some days. that’s when i morph from an angry black woman to a sad black girl looking for hugs and a nap.

  • http://naturallyalise.com/blog/2011/04/21/search-and-seizure/ Naturally Alise

    I think my bro-in-law has creeped to that side of the electric fence of Ruckusdom. He is on totally different politics than he was say 7-8 years ago. Polar opposite. He is more comical than offensive that even my sister can hardly stay in a room with him without bursting into uproarious laughter.

    • bumilla

      sounds like bro-in-law is experiencing the black version of Charlie Sheen. y’all need to medicate him before he comes home with some goddesses.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

    I’m all for an Anti-Jesse Jackson day.

    As for Rev. Ruckus, I can’t download the interview so I’ll have to try and hear it elsewhere if it can’t be loaded here.

    But I will say that while I find Uncle Ruckus hilarious on the Boondocks; I could not not imagine meeting that crazy ninja in real life. I think I’d be to overwhelmed by the niggorance to be able to form complete thoughts and sentences.

    • Yoles

      “niggorance” consider this, stolen added to my personal lexicon, citation most likely will not be used but that fact is still under consideration. thank you and good day

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

        You can have nignore too if you want. As in, “I’m gone hafta to put Rev. Ruckus on permanent nignore if I don’t want to make my pressure go up.”

        Oh, and you’re welcome and chit. ;)

        • bumilla

          dear anti-cool,

          these two words have given me life and restored my faith in humanity. thank you for the flawless and immaculate addition to my dialogues moving forward. :)


          *adds niggorance and nignore to mental spellcheck*

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E TheAnti-Cool

            Dearest Bumilla,

            I am quite flattered to contribute in any way to any future dialogues you may have as a VSS doing all that she can to fight crimes against common sense in this Age of Stupid that we currently live.

            I trust you will use these words well.


    • hehe

      “niggorance” you’ve killed me, I can’t

    • Afrolicious Piscean Goddess

      I too will be using niggorance and combining it with miss t-lee’s throat punch

    • niksmit

      I don’t know whether to be sad or glad that I can’t download this. Someone tech savvy should upload it somewhere so I can stream it and make a decision. Or you know, go low-tech and transcribe it.

    • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      “niggorance”, doe?!

      OMG, I want this on a tshirt. Like with a complex math formula on it or something. I love contradictions. I hate them, too.